Does Rondo face the easiest defense of any star PG?

[Clippersfan86]

Dude never gets doubled, trapped or pressured. If teams are leaving you that open all game how can you be considered a top PG? Give Parker, Westbrook, Rose, CP3, D Will so little defensive attention and they would all average 30 ppg.

How do you average 12 ppg with that weak D teams show?

[guy]

Don't see how anyone can watch this guy play and question if he's a top PG.

[IGOTGAME]

Dude never gets doubled, trapped or pressured. If teams are leaving you that open all game how can you be considered a top PG? Give Parker, Westbrook, Rose, CP3, D Will so little defensive attention and they would all average 30 ppg.

no...they don't double or trap him because it simply doesn't work. the league has not figured out how to guard him.

[Clippersfan86]

Don't see how anyone can watch this guy play and question if he's a top PG.

Top 6 PG. Yet people wanted to put him up there as the best PG other day. Dude is inconsistent as hell offensively.

[DStebb716]

OP is right. Rondo is a star, but I always have so much trouble putting him in my top 5 PGs. He gets five feet of freedom on every play. I think just about any PG in the league could put up impressive numbers with nobody near them.

[Clippersfan86]

OP is right. Rondo is a star, but I always have so much trouble putting him in my top 5 PGs. He gets five feet of freedom on every play. I think just about any PG in the league could put up impressive numbers with nobody near them.

Any of the PG's I named, even Westbrook and Rose, not known shooters would obliterate that D. All of these PG's face doubles, traps, insane pressure on the ball. Not Rondo.

[Sarcastic]

Double off of who? Boston has too many weapons to throw double teams at Rondo.

[LA_Showtime]

Rondo should get more flak for not being consistently aggressive on the offensive end. Given that Boston was having a difficult time generating good looks, he should have been more aggressive.

[The Choken One]

After these playoffs he's the best PG imo... I always said Paul was but not now.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Dude never gets doubled, trapped or pressured. If teams are leaving you that open all game how can you be considered a top PG? Give Parker, Westbrook, Rose, CP3, D Will so little defensive attention and they would all average 30 ppg.

How do you average 12 ppg with that weak D teams show?
How do you consistently post bullshit while Rondo has one of the best postseasons we've ever seen from a point guard?

[nashwade]

the answer is easy. all other allstar PG have little stars playing around them so they become the centre of defense for the opposing team

If Nash joins the Heat he sure as hell will get easy buckets

[CelticBaller]

is op a *******?

the world may never know

[TheMarkMadsen]

Playing so far off of Rondo makes it tougher on him seeing as he can't shoot?

Its amazing he's still able to do what he does with the defense always playing towards his weakness

[Real Men Wear Green]

the answer is easy. all other allstar PG have little stars playing around them so they become the centre of defense for the opposing team

If Nash joins the Heat he sure as hell will get easy buckets
He'd get more open looks but his APG would nosedive. Wade and James dominate the basketball and he'd get turned into Fisher. There's a reason why Bibby averaged less assists in Sac than he did in Memphis and why we so rarely see a top 5 scorer alongside a top 5 passer. Russell Westbrook plays with Harden and Durant yet gets half of Rondo's apg. Great scorers don't lead to high assists for pgs. That's a myth with little factual basis.

Pop quiz: Which Celtic averaged 20 points this season?

[SuperPippen]

Dude never gets doubled, trapped or pressured. If teams are leaving you that open all game how can you be considered a top PG? Give Parker, Westbrook, Rose, CP3, D Will so little defensive attention and they would all average 30 ppg.

How do you average 12 ppg with that weak D teams show?

Dude, I don't mind all of the other posts that you make, and you're extreme Clippers homerism, but you really need to be ****ing quiet about this.

Rondo just had an all-time great postseason, and has proven that he belongs right up there with the top players, let alone the top PG's, in the league.

If you don't think he's better than Paul, that's fine. At the very least you can give Rondo his due.

[stolper]

Rondo is unique, but not top 5. That inability to shoot is a real killer. I also think his rebounding numbers are overrated. He gets that many rebounds because he always crashes the boards whereas other point guards rarely do that. I don't know why point guards don't do a lot more of that. I really think any point guard can average 5-10 boards a game if they crashed the boards. As we saw tonight in game 7, Rondo is not naturally a good rebounder. He didn't box out Wade at all. Facing a guard that actually rebounds exposes him.

[Stern]

10 playoffs triple doubles.

KObe is the only one who knows how to guard him.

[Thorn]

ITT: CF86 insecure about another star PG compared to Chris Paul, forcing him to make a thread about how Rondo is overrated.

Can you please keep your homerism in check for once?

[guy]

Rondo is unique, but not top 5. That inability to shoot is a real killer. I also think his rebounding numbers are overrated. He gets that many rebounds because he always crashes the boards whereas other point guards rarely do that. I don't know why point guards don't do a lot more of that. I really think any point guard can average 5-10 boards a game if they crashed the boards. As we saw tonight in game 7, Rondo is not naturally a good rebounder. He didn't box out Wade at all. Facing a guard that actually rebounds exposes him.

So he gets rebounds by crashing the boards instead of standing around and waiting for them to come to him? That's like saying the only reason someone scores a lot is cause they shoot a lot.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Rondo is unique, but not top 5. That inability to shoot is a real killer. I also think his rebounding numbers are overrated. He gets that many rebounds because he always crashes the boards whereas other point guards rarely do that. I don't know why point guards don't do a lot more of that. I really think any point guard can average 5-10 boards a game if they crashed the boards. As we saw tonight in game 7, Rondo is not naturally a good rebounder. He didn't box out Wade at all. Facing a guard that actually rebounds exposes him.
:facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

Dude, I don't mind all of the other posts that you make, and you're extreme Clippers homerism, but you really need to be ****ing quiet about this.

Rondo just had an all-time great postseason, and has proven that he belongs right up there with the top players, let alone the top PG's, in the league.

If you don't think he's better than Paul, that's fine. At the very least you can give Rondo his due.

You guys bring this on yourself with idiotic knee jerk threads about how one playoff run makes a player the best at his position. When next season starts and he's pumping out 12 ppg again people will forget this alien. Rondo is nowhere near the best PG PERIOD.

[sic]

agree that chalmers is not good but rondo is a top PG in the league. Maybe the best passing pg

[Jameerthefear]

:facepalm
Didn't rondo get another triple double.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You guys bring this on yourself with idiotic knee jerk threads about how one playoff run makes a player the best at his position. When next season starts and he's pumping out 12 ppg again people will forget this alien. Rondo is nowhere near the best PG PERIOD.
Bring what, your idiocy? You can't stand to see Rondo praise you pull your pants down and start typing with your ass? What exactly is going on here?

[Celtic_Pride]

You guys bring this on yourself with idiotic knee jerk threads about how one playoff run makes a player the best at his position. When next season starts and he's pumping out 12 ppg again people will forget this alien. Rondo is nowhere near the best PG PERIOD.

So scoring against the Bobcats in February determines who is the best PG ?

God you are such a moron

Can't wait to see your reaction when Chris Paul dumps your team!

[Real Men Wear Green]

Didn't rondo get another triple double.
Yes. Including 10 rebounds. Apparently a PG that just got 10 rebounds was exposed as a bad rebounder.

[Real Men Wear Green]

So scoring against the Bobcats in February determines who is the best PG ?

God you are such a moron

Can't wait to see your reaction when Chris Paul dumps your team!
He'd only leave the Clippers if he values winning. Nothing to worry about, right?

[Clippersfan86]

Bring what, your idiocy? You can't stand to see Rondo praise you pull your pants down and start typing with your ass? What exactly is going on here?

Lol you're really angry about this. Just find it funny that the guy gets zero defensive resistence and has to take 22 shots to score 22 points.

[SuperPippen]

You guys bring this on yourself with idiotic knee jerk threads about how one playoff run makes a player the best at his position. When next season starts and he's pumping out 12 ppg again people will forget this alien. Rondo is nowhere near the best PG PERIOD.

I, and many others as well, couldn't give a shit whether Rondo puts up 10 PPG in the regular season because I know that Rondo affects the game in so many other ways, and because I know that, come playoff time, he'll raise his game to a superstar level and give me absolutely every ounce of effort that he's got.

You need to realize that just because YOU think Rondo isn't anywhere near the best PG, doesn't mean anybody else has to agree with you.

Quit making these idiotic threads. PERIOD.

[comerb]

Dude never gets doubled, trapped or pressured. If teams are leaving you that open all game how can you be considered a top PG? Give Parker, Westbrook, Rose, CP3, D Will so little defensive attention and they would all average 30 ppg.

How do you average 12 ppg with that weak D teams show?

He's not a top PG because of his scoring nubcakes. He's a top PG because they give him room and play passing lanes and he still average +10 assists a game, dictates the pace of the game, rebounds better than any PG in the league, and plays killer defense.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lol you're really angry about this. Just find it funny that the guy gets zero defensive resistence and has to take 22 shots to score 22 points.
That's because you don't understand basketball.

[Clippersfan86]

At absolute best Rondo is the 4th best PG after CP3, Rose and Westbrook.

[SuperPippen]

At absolute best Rondo is the 4th best PG after CP3, Rose and Westbrook.


...... in the regular season.

Your's is an opinion that I can respect, at least in this case.

[Bladers]

Lol you're really angry about this. Just find it funny that the guy gets zero defensive resistence and has to take 22 shots to score 22 points.

2012 playoffs

CP3 - 17 ppg 42.7% FG, 8 APG, 5RPG

Rondo - 17 ppg 47% FG, 12 APG, 7RPG


Lol Rondo beats paul in every category

[tpols]

Rondo absolutely CRUSHED CP3 in this postseason.

1a. Rondo
1b. Westbrook
3. Parker
4. Paul

based on playoff performance this year.

[Killbot]

How do you consistently post bullshit while Rondo has one of the best postseasons we've ever seen from a point guard?

Because CP3 is on his team.

[shady6121]

no...they don't double or trap him because it simply doesn't work. the league has not figured out how to guard him.

This. Rondo > CP3

Rondo is the best pg in this league, the fact that he was able to take an Old Celtics team this far in the playoffs and push the heat to 7 games is amazing.

[Clippersfan86]

2012 playoffs

CP3 - 17 ppg 42.7% FG, 8 APG, 5RPG

Rondo - 17 ppg 47% FG, 12 APG, 7RPG


Lol Rondo beats paul in every category

Chris Paul averages through 4 games prior to hip flexor/groin pull. 23.5 ppg, 11 apg, 5 rpg, 3 spg on insane shooting numbers. Rondo can't touch a healthy CP3, PERIOD.

[guy]

You guys bring this on yourself with idiotic knee jerk threads about how one playoff run makes a player the best at his position. When next season starts and he's pumping out 12 ppg again people will forget this alien. Rondo is nowhere near the best PG PERIOD.

He's actually been pretty great for the last 4 playoff runs including this season. He's obviously the worst scorer out of everyone else. But he's clearly the best defender and rebounder, and arguably the best passer. How is he not a top PG when that is the case?

[Clippersfan86]

He's actually been pretty great for the last 4 playoff runs including this season. He's obviously the worst scorer out of everyone else. But he's clearly the best defender and rebounder, and arguably the best passer. How is he not a top PG when that is the case?

Yet CP3 finds himself on the First Defense team? Sorry but Rondo is getting rep for his past because THIS SEASON he was much lazier on D and CP3 was the superior defender. CP3 had a down rebounding year playing with Griffin+DJ+Evans but he's a career 4.5 rpg player which is right there with Rondo.

Give Rondo the passing edge... CP3 gets the scoring, defense and efficiency edge and they are pretty much a wash with rebounding.

[Bladers]

Chris Paul averages through 4 games prior to hip flexor/groin pull. 23.5 ppg, 11 apg, 5 rpg, 3 spg on insane shooting numbers. Rondo can't touch a healthy CP3, PERIOD.

lol Rondo outplayed all versions of cp3 this playoffs.


Best Cp3 series, first round against Memphis:

20.4 ppg 5.7 rpg, 7.1 apg, 45.8% FG

Best Rondo series, ECF against heat:

21 ppg 6.5 rpg, 11 apg, 49.5% FG


lol rondo wins easily again.

[Bladers]

Yet CP3 finds himself on the First Defense team? Sorry but Rondo is getting rep for his past because THIS SEASON he was much lazier on D and CP3 was the superior defender. CP3 had a down rebounding year playing with Griffin+DJ+Evans but he's a career 4.5 rpg player which is right there with Rondo.

Give Rondo the passing edge... CP3 gets the scoring, defense and efficiency edge and they are pretty much a wash with rebounding.

lol chris paul non defensive playing ass.

Give me rondo 10/10 times over chris paul.

How many times have we seen Rondo demand to guard lebron and shut him down on game winning situations or 4th qtr?

GTFO chris paul would never do that.

Passing - Advantage Rondo
Defense - Advantage Rondo
Offense - Advantage CP3
Offensive Coordination - Advantage Rondo
Rebounding - Advantage Rondo
Impact & Domination - Advantage Rondo

[Clippersfan86]

Will be hilarious when Ray leaves and KG retires. Rondo will average 8 ppg and 10 ppg.

[SuperPippen]

Will be hilarious when Ray leaves and KG retires. Rondo will average 8 ppg and 10 ppg.

Rondo will average 18 PPG when those 2 leave? Good for him. Looks like all that the Big 3 were doing was holding him back.

[Clippersfan86]

Rondo will average 18 PPG when those 2 leave? Good for him. Looks like all that the Big 3 were doing was holding him back.

10 ppg, 8 apg.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Lol you're really angry about this. Just find it funny that the guy gets zero defensive resistence and has to take 22 shots to score 22 points.

Hey, you remember that game this postseason where CP3 scored 44 points on 24 shots against a top 3 defence? No?

You're so insecure it's hilarious. Game 7, on the road against the MVP and his team who were predicted by some to sweep the series, he has 22/14/10. But no, Rondo is just awful.

[Clippersfan86]

Hey, you remember that game this postseason where CP3 scored 44 points on 24 shots against a top 3 defence? No?

You're so insecure it's hilarious. Game 7, on the road against the MVP and his team who were predicted by some to sweep the series, he has 22/14/10. But no, Rondo is just awful.

Rondo is an elite, top 6 PG. Not contesting that.

[ballerz]

rondo is clearly a better defender. Sure chris paul gets more steals but overall rondo is a better defender then CP3.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

10 ppg, 8 apg.

Ah yes, based off his numbers when the big 3 are down, when his production goes up in basically every category.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Rondo is an elite, top 6 PG. Not contesting that.

There's just no need to make this thread every 3 days. Especially after (or even during) Rondo pulling out a very good game in an elimination game.

It speaks for itself that this thread is made so often when you never see them about DWill or Westbrook. It's because Rondo consistently outperforms every other top PG.

[Clippersfan86]

There's just no need to make this thread every 3 days. Especially after (or even during) Rondo pulling out a very good game in an elimination game.

It speaks for itself that this thread is made so often when you never see them about DWill or Westbrook. It's because Rondo consistently outperforms every other top PG.

Nope. I made this thread because... It annoyed me to no end that teams literally stand 10 feet away from Rondo all game and let him run around. Yet people have the nerve to say the guy is the best PG in the game because of a great playoff run :facepalm . I wish teams gave CP3 10 feet of space every game. Guy would average 25 and 15.

[tpols]

Nope. I made this thread because... It annoyed me to no end that teams literally stand 10 feet away from Rondo all game and let him run around. Yet people have the nerve to say the guy is the best PG in the game because of a great playoff run :facepalm . I wish teams gave CP3 10 feet of space every game. Guy would average 25 and 15.
Rondo would average that if teams pressed him. :lol

[Clippersfan86]

Rondo would average that if teams pressed him. :lol

How so? He misses more layups than any PG in the game. Don't act like teams are doing that because he's an elite finisher. They are doing it because in general his offense sucks and they can play the passing lanes and ignore him. No respect at all for his offensive game.

[97 bulls]

How so? He misses more layups than any PG in the game. Don't act like teams are doing that because he's an elite finisher. They are doing it because in general his offense sucks and they can play the passing lanes and ignore him. No respect at all for his offensive game.
Tpols is right though. Tems play off him cuz he cant shoot. It kinda hurts rondo cuz it takes away his ability to attack the basket and pass to open players.

[tpols]

How so? He misses more layups than any PG in the game. Don't act like teams are doing that because he's an elite finisher. They are doing it because in general his offense sucks and they can play the passing lanes and ignore him. No respect at all for his offensive game.
He averaged the same amount of points as CP3 on much better efficiency from the field.:oldlol: ..so I dont know where him not being able to finish scoring plays comes from.

The reason teams sag off him is to stop his elite passing game.. you're right. Because before that strategy was adapted he was breaking down defenses too easily and finding the open man. So what would happen if they pressed him? The passing lanes would open up again:hammerhead: .. which would lead to more assists and even better shot opportunities for the offense. He would go from averaging 17ppg to around 15 and his assists would go up along with boston's whole offense. There's no beating Rondo.. hes gonna hurt you in one way or another.

[DJ Leon Smith]

It's kind of weird to see Clipper fans venture into "put down opposing star player with irrational hate because he plays the same position as my team's star player". Usually reserve that for Laker fans.

[tpols]

And another thing.. it's funny how everyone always rags on Rondo's 'layups' when hes a better finisher than Chris Paul. He is the craftiest point guard in the league when it comes to the english he puts on his layups.. taking off off the wrong foot.. euro steps.. using either hand with his tarantula arms for wild reverses on any side of the rim.. tear drops.. slithering through crowds..

Hes had to develop that because teams sit back and literally wait for him to come deep into the lane.. hes had more experience with shotblockers chasing him than any player in the league.

[ImmortalNemesis]

It isn't up for debate. Anyone who actually watches basketball knows Rondo is the better point guard. This 'but he misses layups' argument is silly, too. You know you're reaching when you bring that up.

"Rondo is the best pg in the game"

"but look at how many layups he misses"

:biggums:

[StateOfMind12]

1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Deron Williams
6. Tony Parker

That is my top 6 PGs excluding health factors, hence why Rose is up here.

I use to say Rose was better than Cp3 due to durability and that CP3 is better when healthy but since both of them suffer injuries I'm just going to rank them how I would if injuries weren't a factor.

I'm kind of questioning if Deron should be #5 or if Parker should be instead.

[ballup]

Rondo's greatest strength is his passing so wouldn't it make sense to try to disrupt the teammate to whom he is trying to pass the ball?

[d21221hk]

After these playoffs Imma go with Rondo as the #1 PG in the game right now.

[RazorBaLade]

I don't think you guys understand that rondo averaged 17 12 8 on 47%. That is disgusting. Westbrook for example, who is above him on some of these lists is averaging 21 5 6 on 43%.

[tpols]

Rondo's greatest strength is his passing so wouldn't it make sense to try to disrupt the teammate to whom he is trying to pass the ball?
Nah.. Clipperfan and a few others know more than Phil Jackson, who was one of the first to implement the 'sagging off technique'.. first on an inexperienced Westbrook and next on a streaking Rondo, and every other coach in the league that has played him the exact same way.

[unbreakable]

hands down the best PG in the league (offensively and defensively)

stupid stupid OP :facepalm

[DJ Leon Smith]

Nah.. Clipperfan and a few others know more than Phil Jackson, who was one of the first to implement the 'sagging off technique'.. first on an inexperienced Westbrook and next on a streaking Rondo, and every other coach in the league that has played him the exact same way.

The sagging off technique worked for the Lakers because they had so many big players all over the court who could also disrupt passing lanes. With average sized/worse "team" defensive teams the sagging off tactic can backfire because it opens up more angles for Rondo.

[tpols]

The sagging off technique worked for the Lakers because they had so many big players all over the court who could also disrupt passing lanes. With average sized/worse "team" defensive teams the sagging off tactic can backfire because it opens up more angles for Rondo.
Why does every other team do it then? Are their coaches just incompetent?

[unbreakable]

Why does every other team do it then? Are their coaches just incompetent?

monkey see monkey do

rondo almost carried an old depleted (no green, no avery) celtics team to the finals .. lets not act like this is some sort of "kryptonite" .

there is no stopping rondo, period. cp3 on the other hand got his ass handed to him by parker.

[bluechox2]

celtics need to trade rondo on the high cus he wont be the same player without the big 3

[unbreakable]

celtics need to trade rondo on the high cus he wont be the same player without the big 3

ur right, he'll be better.. oscar robertson type numbers (might average a triple double next year)

[Clippersfan86]

monkey see monkey do

rondo almost carried an old depleted (no green, no avery) celtics team to the finals .. lets not act like this is some sort of "kryptonite" .

there is no stopping rondo, period. cp3 on the other hand got his ass handed to him by parker.

Have you ever played basketball with a bad groin pull? Not to mention being trapped everytime up the floor.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Why does every other team do it then? Are their coaches just incompetent?

In regards to your second statement, Vinnie Del Negro still has a job.

It can be a pick your poision thing, and sagging off does work a lot of the time. But sometimes it can spectacularly backfire. Was just saying the Lakers were the perfect team to do it because Rondo had so many big bodies to try to pass through or penetrate against.

[tpols]

monkey see monkey do

rondo almost carried an old depleted (no green, no avery) celtics team to the finals .. lets not act like this is some sort of "kryptonite" .

there is no stopping rondo, period. cp3 on the other hand got his ass handed to him by parker.
So you think Spo and other coaches dont have the balls to go away from the sagging strategy and just man up with Rondo like any other PG? Do you think they were too scared of getting burned?

I really wish I had some footage/stats of how Rondo did in the past 2 years against teams that decided to play him straight up. They either have to be good as hell because very few have went away from the sagging, or they just have to not exist.

[Miserio]

How do you consistently post bullshit while Rondo has one of the best postseasons we've ever seen from a point guard?
Of course, I love KG and Pierce and give them props but Rajon Rondo is the main reason why we get where we got.

[Clippersfan86]

Was Rondo even on all NBA team? Nope. CP3 all NBA first team as well as first defense. Point is... Obviously the media didn't consider Rondo a top 3 PG and that probably represents a general,NBA consensus pretty well.

[tpols]

Was Rondo even on all NBA team? Nope. CP3 all NBA first team as well as first defense. Point is... Obviously the media didn't consider Rondo a top 3 PG and that probably represents a general,NBA consensus pretty well.
Still relying on solely regular season.:roll:

[StateOfMind12]

Still relying on solely regular season.:roll:
It's a bigger and better sample size so I don't see what's wrong with that.

Are you really trying to tell us that Rondo is better than CP3?

Rondo coasts and doesn't even try half of the time in the regular season, hence why he plays so much better in the post-season than he does in the regular season. He has enough energy left and he reserves it. CP3 goes all out in the regular season and in the post-season. CP3 got hurt in the post-season as well but I suppose this works in favor for Rondo since that just goes to show you Rondo is more durable. It doesn't make Rondo more impactful or more talented or better than CP3 though.

[ClutchOver9000]

:oldlol: CF86 why you hating on Rondo man...its clear the dude beasted these playoffs (outperformed every other guard this postseason), and he is an elite PG.

His exact ranking is arguable obviously, but the kid has a very unique skillset, and has an innate ability to up his game when the stakes are at its highest.

Just let the guy get his shine...lol...

[theaussieguy]

It's a bigger and better sample size so I don't see what's wrong with that.

Are you really trying to tell us that Rondo is better than CP3?

Rondo coasts and doesn't even try half of the time in the regular season, hence why he plays so much better in the post-season than he does in the regular season. He has enough energy left and he reserves it. CP3 goes all out in the regular season and in the post-season. CP3 got hurt in the post-season as well but I suppose this works in favor for Rondo since that just goes to show you Rondo is more durable. It doesn't make Rondo more impactful or more talented or better than CP3 though.

Injuries are a part of the game.

Rondo has more bankable assets than CP3. With age he won't lose his length (6'10 wingspan) and he won't lose his almost MJ sized hands. His passing will only get better and his handles will only get better.

Stop pretending like regular season matters, as long as you get to the playoffs that it, its all you need. Rondo>CP3 in the playoffs.

Sure CP3 might be a more talented 'player', but he has less bankable assets than rondo.

[tpols]

Rondo coasts and doesn't even try half of the time in the regular season, hence why he plays so much better in the post-season than he does in the regular season. h.
Exactly.

Thats why I put almost ZERO merit into that argument when it comes to whose the better player. Rondo coasts when it doesnt matter, but when the games mean something.. hes amazing.

You have to look at it from his perspective. He's on a greatly coached team that will always land a decent seed in the playoffs especially in their weak division. Boston has virtually no chance of beating Chicago or Miami out for the 1 or 2 seed.. Theres a massive gap between them and the rest of the East and getting the 3 ,4, or 5th seed.. doesnt really matter. They're all pretty much the same in the East.

Rondo saving his energy and big games for the playoffs is extremely admirable.. it's the fvcking definition of clutch.:lol He shows up when it counts and the pressure to win is the highest.

Bottom line, rondo in the playoffs, is the real Rondo.. and he wiped the floor with Chris Paul this year.

As an individual superstar, CP3 is better because he gives you the shooting/scoring. But as a team player Rondo is better. The way I look at it with the looks rondo gets his teammates.. he boosts their games by 10-20% in addition to his individual impact. When you add the team impact with the individual impact I think rondo's is higher. He's just more disruptive and affects everyone else more.

[Miserio]

Was Rondo even on all NBA team? Nope. CP3 all NBA first team as well as first defense. Point is... Obviously the media didn't consider Rondo a top 3 PG and that probably represents a general,NBA consensus pretty well.
lol. I knew you were discrediting Rondo just because everyone says it's better than your homie. But he is, sorry.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Was Rondo even on all NBA team? Nope. CP3 all NBA first team as well as first defense. Point is... Obviously the media didn't consider Rondo a top 3 PG and that probably represents a general,NBA consensus pretty well.

Kobe has the most all-defensive first team selections of all-time.

Are you saying right now on the record that Kobe is the best defensive player in NBA history.

If your reply starts with "no, but..." you already lost.

[Clippersfan86]

Kobe has the most all-defensive first team selections of all-time.

Are you saying right now on the record that Kobe is the best defensive player in NBA history.

If your reply starts with "no, but..." you already lost.

A bit extreme. I don't think the All NBA teams are accurate all the time in the slightest. If you're the best player in the NBA at your position though and don't even make one of the THREE teams though? Sounds a bit fishy no? Especially because he plays for arguably the most decorated franchise in NBA history. Not like the guy is under the radar.

So in otherwords... don't take the teams literally but if you were THE best PG you'd find yourself in one of the 6 guard spots obviously :hammerhead: .

[StateOfMind12]

A bit extreme. I don't think the All NBA teams are accurate all the time in the slightest. If you're the best player in the NBA at your position though and don't even make one of the THREE teams though? Sounds a bit fishy no? Especially because he plays for arguably the most decorated franchise in NBA history. Not like the guy is under the radar.

So in otherwords... don't take the teams literally but if you were THE best PG you'd find yourself in one of the 6 guard spots obviously :hammerhead: .
Rajon Rondo was on the All-NBA Third team this season so you can stop your ranting about this subject now and find something else to hate on him about.

[Clippersfan86]

:oldlol: CF86 why you hating on Rondo man...its clear the dude beasted these playoffs (outperformed every other guard this postseason), and he is an elite PG.

His exact ranking is arguable obviously, but the kid has a very unique skillset, and has an innate ability to up his game when the stakes are at its highest.

Just let the guy get his shine...lol...

As I said man... I respect Rondo's game and it's absolutely unique and nice to watch. I'm just sick of the disrespect people will throw at other PG's to make ignorant comments like "Easily the best PG in the game right now" during game threads etc. I think CP3 is the best PG in the game but I don't think it's by some big margin like Rondo homers are spewing.

It's particularly annoying because that's what ISH has become as a whole. I remember early this season Paul Millsap for example had a week where he put up 25, 11 and 3 or something and people were saying he might be a top 3 PF in the game now :facepalm . Then what happened? He went into a long slump and nobody even considers him top 10 by end of season.

Rondo went from BORDERLINE top 5 PG according to most people (up for debate with D Will, Parker, Nash) to all the sudden the "undisputed" best PG in the game because of a great playoff run? That's not how it works. When ranking players it's stupidity to disregard the regular season OR the playoffs. You need to combine both and look at consistency throughout... to factor in who is better.

[Clippersfan86]

BTW I love how rather than answering the main question everybody is getting off track. So let's see if somebody will answer honestly and directly. Does any other star PG in the NBA have it to where defenses purposely stay 5-10 feet off them at all times... and sometimes ignore them completely to play the passing lanes?

[DJ Leon Smith]

BTW I love how rather than answering the main question everybody is getting off track. So let's see if somebody will answer honestly and directly. Does any other star PG in the NBA have it to where defenses purposely stay 5-10 feet off them at all times... and sometimes ignore them completely to play the passing lanes?

So teams going out of their way to shut down passing lanes for a guy who regularly gets 10+ assists per game shows how he's... bad? Where's the logic in that? If Rondo really isn't that great shouldn't he average like two assists per game (and maybe 20ppg on horrible FG%) with these teams doing nothing but trying to shut down his passing lanes? Instead he regularly puts up 15+ assist games.

I hope the Clippers suck again soon so you stop making threads. You're making Laker fans look good by comparison, something that has a higher degree of difficulty than the Clippers winning a championship while Donald Sterling is their owner.

[Miserio]

Rondo went from BORDERLINE top 5 PG according to most people (up for debate with D Will, Parker, Nash) to all the sudden the "undisputed" best PG in the game because of a great playoff run? That's not how it works. When ranking players it's stupidity to disregard the regular season OR the playoffs. You need to combine both and look at consistency throughout... to factor in who is better.
One playoff run? His lasts 4 playoffs were pretty unbelievable, putting big stats playing on a winning team with 3 all-stars. Call me when Chris Paul averages: 16.9/9.7/9.8

[SunsCaptain]

One thing that we were talking about and laughing at today in the celtics game was Rondos jump shot and how much room they gave him....

Sometimes he will be a few feet infront of the 3pt line and NO defense on him and NO1 even thinking about coming close to him....

He stands there like a center.... who has 0 range...and yes his range is pretty horrid...But seeing a guard who wont shoot wide open shots where THERE IS ZERO DEFENSE...its baffling.

And as we were talking about if he did shoot it he would miss...he finally decided to put 1 up and....missed.

:biggums:

Anyways yes Rondo faces the easiest defense. Because of his terrible shooting.

Its like when you defend a bad guy in bball you dont defend him hard because you want him to shoot because the odds are he will miss. Thats what Rondo is.


I wish when I played pall people gave me the Rondo treatment.... The things I could do with 5 feet of room.... Besides being able to shoot the ball....lol

[brandonislegend]

Haha if Rondo went to the Clippers instead of CP3 ClipperFan would be all over his c***

[SunsCaptain]

Haha if Rondo went to the Clippers instead of CP3 ClipperFan would be all over his c***

You arn't embarrased when you type something like this?

[rodman91]

Shaq was the one said Rondo is better than Paul and everyone was like "HOLY SHIT! NO ****IN WAY!!!!"

:lol

[blablabla]

wouldn't this mean that his teammates get more attention which makes his passing even more impressive

[DJ Leon Smith]

wouldn't this mean that his teammates get more attention which makes his passing even more impressive

Exactly. According to the OP they do everything possible to cut off his passing lanes, yet he still puts up 15+ assist games regularly. And this makes him a bad player... how?

[CeltsGarlic]

Dude never gets doubled, trapped or pressured. If teams are leaving you that open all game how can you be considered a top PG? Give Parker, Westbrook, Rose, CP3, D Will so little defensive attention and they would all average 30 ppg.

How do you average 12 ppg with that weak D teams show?

http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/It+s+rivalry+and+we+just+ask+of+them+to+not+_580cc 93fa51b998c715c99a29999ff3b.jpg

[CelticBaller]

You arn't embarrased when you type something like this?
its true though the guy is a straight homer. didn't you say dragic was a future MVP? you should be embarrassed when you type something like that

[Dro]

Was Rondo even on all NBA team? Nope. CP3 all NBA first team as well as first defense. Point is... Obviously the media didn't consider Rondo a top 3 PG and that probably represents a general,NBA consensus pretty well.
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on this thread :roll: ...yes, because everyone who makes the pro bowl deserves it...because everyone who makes an all-star team deserves it...you're an idiot if you don't recognize the NBA is HUGE CORPORATION...Anybody with 2 pairs of eyes and doesn't have CP3's nuts in their mouth can see that Rondo is the better defender...Also, when a defender sags off Rondo they are PLAYING TO HIS WEAKNESS WHICH SHOULD MAKE IT TOUGHER FOR HIM TO GET TO THE RIM AND TO GET ASSISTS....But he still performs, and you're in here trying to discredit the man...As of today, I'm taking Rondo over CP3, I don't care who his teammates are because he will make them better....

[CavaliersFTW]

Rondo is the greatest playoff point guard playing in the NBA today.

[SuperPippen]

Was Rondo even on all NBA team? Nope. CP3 all NBA first team as well as first defense. Point is... Obviously the media didn't consider Rondo a top 3 PG and that probably represents a general,NBA consensus pretty well.

All-NBA 3rd Team
League leader in assists, in spite of the fact that defenders play the passing lanes and cover his teammates more than they try to defend him
Widely thought of as a better defender than Paul


And, by reading this thread, there seems to be a "general, NBA consensus" that, as of this point in time, Rondo is at least as good as Chris Paul, if not better.

[Legends66NBA7]

Shaq was the one said Rondo is better than Paul and everyone was like "HOLY SHIT! NO ****IN WAY!!!!"

:lol

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240888

I think it's more of the reasons he gave as to why Paul isn't better.

:oldlol:

[IGOTGAME]

It's a bigger and better sample size so I don't see what's wrong with that.

Are you really trying to tell us that Rondo is better than CP3?

Rondo coasts and doesn't even try half of the time in the regular season, hence why he plays so much better in the post-season than he does in the regular season. He has enough energy left and he reserves it. CP3 goes all out in the regular season and in the post-season. CP3 got hurt in the post-season as well but I suppose this works in favor for Rondo since that just goes to show you Rondo is more durable. It doesn't make Rondo more impactful or more talented or better than CP3 though.

^^^^^

someone who hasn't followed CP3's career.

someone who seems to think CP3 getting hurt is not a regular thing. It is who he is...he is a pg who is hurt most of the time.

[Clippersfan86]

All-NBA 3rd Team
League leader in assists, in spite of the fact that defenders play the passing lanes and cover his teammates more than they try to defend him
Widely thought of as a better defender than Paul


And, by reading this thread, there seems to be a "general, NBA consensus" that, as of this point in time, Rondo is at least as good as Chris Paul, if not better.

Widely yet it was CP3 on the first all NBA defensive team :confusedshrug: ? Doesn't even make sense. Not saying CP3 is definitely the better defender but that alone proves there isn't a gap like people are making it out to be. I'd PERSONALLY say in general Rondo is a little bit better defensively but THIS season CP3 played more aggressive/better defense.

Rondo definitely seemed to have taken a little bit of a step back defensively this season. Even Celtics fans have admitted that this year he coasted more on D and his reputation may be sustaining him defensively right now in the eyes of some.

Rondo's the better passer/playmaker until proven otherwise and I have no problem admitting that. CP3 is a great rebounder for a PG as well, much more efficient and the superior scorer though. CP3 is the more COMPLETE and well rounded PG.

[unbreakable]

Rondo guarded Wade for a majority of this series (and did very well).... cp3 is good at steals and THATS IT

rondo is a better 1on1 defender, help defender, and rebounder... he was completely robbed of all defensive 1st team and everyone but dumbass OP knows it :facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

^^^^^

someone who hasn't followed CP3's career.

someone who seems to think CP3 getting hurt is not a regular thing. It is who he is...he is a pg who is hurt most of the time.

Season 1: 78 of 82 games played.
Season 2: 64 of 82 games played.
Season 3: 80 of 82 games played.
Season 4: 78 of 82 games played.
Season 5: 45 of 82 games played.
Season 6: 80 of 82 games played.
Season 7: 60 of 66 games played.


That totals out to... only 13 percent of games missed due to injury in his career. He's played 87 percent. Basically there is absolutely zero proof that he's injury prone. He had one injury year before the knee injury. Had a year after that where he wasn't healthy... then he's back to missing an average of 4 games a year for the last two seasons. I hate when people spread lies.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Imagine if Rondo was just acting like he was a horrible shooter, just so teams lay off him and give him space.

[upside24]

Bring what, your idiocy? You can't stand to see Rondo praise you pull your pants down and start typing with your ass? What exactly is going on here?
:roll:

[ballup]

Imagine if Rondo was just acting like he was a horrible shooter, just so teams lay off him and give him space.
That must be it. He has the highest BBIQ in the game. :bowdown:

[Solid Snake]

lol chris paul non defensive playing ass.

Give me rondo 10/10 times over chris paul.

How many times have we seen Rondo demand to guard lebron and shut him down on game winning situations or 4th qtr?

GTFO chris paul would never do that.

Passing - Advantage Rondo
Defense - Advantage Rondo
Offense - Advantage CP3
Offensive Coordination - Advantage Rondo
Rebounding - Advantage Rondo
Impact & Domination - Advantage Rondo

You should've just put the name, you didn't have to put advantage in front of it each time.

[Living Being]

Exactly.

Thats why I put almost ZERO merit into that argument when it comes to whose the better player. Rondo coasts when it doesnt matter, but when the games mean something.. hes amazing.

You have to look at it from his perspective. He's on a greatly coached team that will always land a decent seed in the playoffs especially in their weak division. Boston has virtually no chance of beating Chicago or Miami out for the 1 or 2 seed.. Theres a massive gap between them and the rest of the East and getting the 3 ,4, or 5th seed.. doesnt really matter. They're all pretty much the same in the East.

Rondo saving his energy and big games for the playoffs is extremely admirable.. it's the fvcking definition of clutch.:lol He shows up when it counts and the pressure to win is the highest.

Bottom line, rondo in the playoffs, is the real Rondo.. and he wiped the floor with Chris Paul this year.

As an individual superstar, CP3 is better because he gives you the shooting/scoring. But as a team player Rondo is better. The way I look at it with the looks rondo gets his teammates.. he boosts their games by 10-20% in addition to his individual impact. When you add the team impact with the individual impact I think rondo's is higher. He's just more disruptive and affects everyone else more.
:applause: Best post on these boards in ages.