Cavs Offer Top 4 Picks to New Orleans for #1

[sixer6ad]

http://cleveland.sbnation.com/2012/6/11/3078786/cavaliers-nba-draft-2012-rumors-anthony-davis-trade

Ricky Williams all over again???

[jbryan1984]

I mean, why wouldn't they? That's a pretty fair offer. Irving and Davis together would be sick.

[tmacman]

:roll:

Stupidest offer by far.

How about the No.4 pick, those other picks mentioned plus Tristan Thompson. Doubt that would even get a deal done...

[ImmortalD24]

Anthony Davis will be a bust. Book it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

http://cleveland.sbnation.com/2012/6/11/3078786/cavaliers-nba-draft-2012-rumors-anthony-davis-trade

Ricky Williams all over again???
A bball star can have a far greater impact than his football equivalent. And you can get the same level player with more experience as the guy you'll probably draft with the 24th-34th pick pretty easily in the FA market. So unless you feel like you know about a hidden gem you aren't going to get enough value to make up for a guy that looks like the new Garnett.

[KG215]

You'd almost have to throw in someone like Varejao and Tristan Thompson along with all of those picks given how much of a "sure thing" Davis is being considered.

[IGotACoolStory]

That's a terrible trade for NOH.

So you trade a potential franchise and all defensive player for who?

Beal or Barnes, Marquis Teague, Draymond Green, and Festus Ezeli or something.

So a potential all NBA for maybe a future allstar, a role player, a 7th man, and some size.


Hey OKC, I'll trade you Granger, Hansbrough, Collison, and Pendergraph for Durant!


Don't get caught up in the numbers. It's bad.

[(e)]

Yeah I be saying no to that all day. Add in a future first rounder and Thompson and you may get some consideration.

[MeLO MvP 15]

That offer is horrible.

The difference in moving up 3 spots might not sound that much... but it's really like the difference between LeBron and Caron Butler.

[Darius]

In star-driven, salary-cap NBA, a sure-fire star is worth more than a whole roster.

[qrich]

I mean, why wouldn't they? That's a pretty fair offer. Irving and Davis together would be sick.

That isn't even close to being fair. A late first and early seconds isn't worth the Davis to Barnes drop-off. Would you even consider dealing Irving for that package?

[ctown4eva]

You people are hilarious. I wouldn't do this trade if I was New Orleans but it's not like it's that unfair. If they threw in Thompson it'd probably be pretty fair.

The chances Davis is even the best player out of this draft are minimal just based on numbers alone, there are a lot of guys that project as possible All Stars.

[chips93]

That isn't even close to being fair. A late first and early seconds isn't worth the Davis to Barnes drop-off. Would you even consider dealing Irving for that package?

irving > davis

[devin112]

I mean, why wouldn't they? That's a pretty fair offer. Irving and Davis together would be sick.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[G-train]

This story is a work of fiction.

[qrich]

irving > davis

Predraft: Davis hype > irving hype

I mean, some places argued williams v irving til the last second. No one says trob mkg drummon etc shud go above davis.

And I doubt u do the same deal for irving predraft

[jbot]

This story is a work of fiction.
that's what i'm thinking. dumb offer.

[RoseCity07]

Pathetic offer by the Cavs. It's gonna take the 4, Irving, and a future 1st rounder(unprotected) to even consider that trade.

[Cermet]

The Blazers are rumored to be offering their 6th and 11th pick for Cavs 4th pick to draft Beal. I doubt that is a smart move

[Owl]

As everyone else said ....
Terrible trade offer, only one of the Cavs picks has any great value, and in a consensus number one pick there's no reason to do this.

[ctown4eva]

People saying it'd take Irving in that deal to even consider it....

/****ing facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

Hey, I'm just glad our organization is out there, doing everything it can. Sure, there was no way in hell New Orleans was taking the offer, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Maybe NOH is in love with Drummond? Never know until you ask.

I'd love to have Davis, but I'm also completely happy with 4, 24, 33, 34 and our current group of young guys. We are going to get a lot better this offseason one way or another.

The way things seem to be trending, we could end up with MKG at 4. I've heard Charlotte really like Robinson and Washington seems to be honing in on a Wall/Beal backcourt.


Grant has done a hell of a job in his year as GM of this franchise and I love the fact that he threw something at NOH, just to test the waters. Good stuff.

[RedBlackAttack]

Pathetic offer by the Cavs. It's gonna take the 4, Irving, and a future 1st rounder(unprotected) to even consider that trade.
You have to be out of your f#cking mind. I wouldn't give Irving for Davis straight up. Irving has proven that he is going to be a serious impact player in this league already and he just turned 20. Davis hasn't proven sh!t. I like him as a prospect and all, but you've taken it about 20 steps too far.

Why don't you do some research on next year's potential draft before making such a ludicrous post. It is going to be loaded with centers, while a PG prospect as good as Irving isn't on the horizon. Nerlens Noel, Cody Zeller, Rudy Gobert and Isaiah Austin are all very highly rated prospects that could fit very well next to the likes of Irving, Thompson and whoever we get this year.

4, Irving and a future unprotected first rounder? :oldlol:

F#ck out my face. We'll see which franchise is better off in five years.

[chips93]

Predraft: Davis hype > irving hype

I mean, some places argued williams v irving til the last second. No one says trob mkg drummon etc shud go above davis.

And I doubt u do the same deal for irving predraft


what does predraft hype have to do with anything? as it turns out, irving was vastly underrated heading into the draft

right now irving has more trade value than davis

[Sarcastic]

Irving + #4 for Anthony Davis would be fair.

[jbryan1984]

I think they will come back with something else to offer them.

[Foster5k]

NOH isn't giving away Anthony Davis for anything less than Lebron.

[kumquat]

That's a junk offer by the Cavs #4 + late round firsts is horrible.

[BIG FURB]

In star-driven, salary-cap NBA, a sure-fire star is worth more than a whole roster.

Not necessarily true, look at Denver's trade of Carmelo Anthony.

[Sarcastic]

Not necessarily true, look at Denver's trade of Carmelo Anthony.

Denver never wanted to make that trade. Moving forward, the Knicks are in better position to make a run than the Nuggets.

[Foster5k]

Not necessarily true, look at Denver's trade of Carmelo Anthony.
Melo>>Nuggets team

Nuggets are basically in limbo, with no chance to get out of the West for the foreseeable future.

[Jyap9675]

cavs should have tanked like crazy. Cavs could have been like OKC with Davis and Irving.

[Owl]

Not necessarily true, look at Denver's trade of Carmelo Anthony.
Distinction should be made between superstar status (which both Melo and Stat have), which may be based on past production, points, being high draft pick and is about branding, and superstar production.

Teams need at least one genuine superstar or else have to have very good defense, coaching, chemistry and a bit of luck to win a title. As such they are extremely valuable because they are so scarce (maybe 5-10 in the league at any given time) and so influential.

And do people really think New York with their horrible contracts are in a better position than than Denver with their young core of McGee, Faried, Gallinari, Lawson, Afflalo etc ?

[Sarcastic]

Distinction should be made between superstar status (which both Melo and Stat have), which may be based on past production, points, being high draft pick and is about branding, and superstar production.

Teams need at least one genuine superstar or else have to have very good defense, coaching, chemistry and a bit of luck to win a title. As such they are extremely valuable because they are so scarce (maybe 5-10 in the league at any given time) and so influential.

And do people really think New York with their horrible contracts are in a better position than than Denver with their young core of McGee, Faried, Gallinari, Lawson, Afflalo etc ?

Absolutely. Denver has no star to get to the next level.

[Owl]

cavs should have tanked like crazy. Cavs could have been like OKC with Davis and Irving.
Whilst tanking doesn't guarantee top spot the Cavs did try too hard to be respectable this year. Valanciunas had a higher upside than Thompson and would have allowed them to continue performing at a low level this past season. I would also have (and would continue to) look to trade Varejao because he enhances them right now (which they don't need) when he would be more valuable to a contender, perhaps moving him for a bad contract and future picks or young talent. As his contract increases and he gets older his value will decrease. Perhaps looking to a team that thinks it could contend but might soon be bad (a la Orlando last year) would maximise the value of such picks.

[Owl]

Absolutely. Denver has no star to get to the next level.
Thank goodness NY can count on giving 20 million dollars to a guy whose only ability is scoring which he did last year at 43% clip. Admittedly a lockout year in which everyones numbers are down, and he gets to the line a lot, but the Knicks big contracts are albatrosses which will keep them close to .500 without the flexibility to improve.

Denver meanwhile has the pieces to acquire a star and enough youth for significant internal improvement

[GOBB]

cavs should have tanked like crazy. Cavs could have been like OKC with Davis and Irving.

Cavs have the 4th pick. They had two lottery picks in the selection process giving them more chances to win the lottery than most teams. Charlotte was terrible. They ended up with 2nd pick for ALL the games they lost.

Please shut up about tankig because there is no guarantee even if cavs lost
more games they win lottery. Tired of fans acting like its so damn simple.

[ballup]

Would anyone consider this if one of the 2nd round picks was a lottery pick instead?

[GOBB]

Would anyone consider this if one of the 2nd round picks was a lottery pick instead?

Nope. Still wouldn't do it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I mean, why wouldn't they? That's a pretty fair offer. Irving and Davis together would be sick.


No offense, but your posts always come off as being very bad.

[pegasus]

They should offer all of their picks plus Thompson. Actually anyone and anything but Irving.

[GOBB]

They should offer all of their picks plus Thompson. Actually anyone and anything but Irving.

Still not worth it.

[QUIZZLE]

These posts about "maybe it'd be fair the 4th pick and Irving" GTFO. Why would New Orleans deserve Kyrie Irving and the pick for that. I'd never watch another Cleveland Cavaliers game in my life if that were to happen, and obviously it won't for a reason-- it's RETARDED.

[tpols]

Absolutely. Denver has no star to get to the next level.
How do you know one of those guys wont become a star?

[broy]

What about this? (but not from Cavs)

Wizards send #3 + #32 + John Wall + Kevin Seraphin

for

#1 + Trevor Ariza

[hawksdogsbraves]

This isn't football, so this trade doesn't make sense. Adding Thompson and/or Varejao and taking back a bad contract is the only other thing they can do, and if I were NO's GM I'd laugh at that offer too. There's virtually nothing worth giving up a chance to get a young superstar.

[chips93]

What about this? (but not from Cavs)

Wizards send #3 + #32 + John Wall + Kevin Seraphin

for

#1 + Trevor Ariza

if i were washington, i wouldnt offer wall + #3 for #1, let alone throwing in seraphin, 32, and taking on ariza

[qrich]

what does predraft hype have to do with anything? as it turns out, irving was vastly underrated heading into the draft

right now irving has more trade value than davis

Because predraft is exactly my point...:wtf:



What about this? (but not from Cavs)

Wizards send #3 + #32 + John Wall + Kevin Seraphin

for

#1 + Trevor Ariza

Value is there but I wouldn't do it as N'Oleans. I'd even say Washington is overpaying but that is what you need to do to try to pry Davis away

[Dbrog]

As everyone else said ....
Terrible trade offer, only one of the Cavs picks has any great value, and in a consensus number one pick there's no reason to do this.

Greg Oden was basically a consensus. Just sayin

[Sarcastic]

Greg Oden was basically a consensus. Just sayin

He didn't suck. He just got injured.

[Dbrog]

He didn't suck. He just got injured.

I know. Honestly, if he stayed healthy I think he could have impacted the game more than Durant (which says a lot). My point is, there never is a sure thing in sports. Something can always happen. If you can minimize this risk by drafting more prospects, I say do it. Then again, not everyone has the scouts of Spurs or Thunder to get late-round steals.

Just for the record, this trade is awful. The only way I could see it going down is if the Cavs had the 4 AND 5 pick which won't be happening.

[alenleomessi]

What about this? (but not from Cavs)

Wizards send #3 + #32 + John Wall + Kevin Seraphin

for

#1 + Trevor Ariza
Thats probably the worst trade in the history of trades

[DukeDelonte13]

at least the cavs are dealing i guess. NO won't trade #1 but I could see charlotte trading their #2 pick.

[LA_Showtime]

He didn't suck. He just got injured.

Which sucks.

Injury = Sucks.

Greg Oden + Injury = Greg Oden Injury = Greg Oden Sucks.

[RedBlackAttack]

Whilst tanking doesn't guarantee top spot the Cavs did try too hard to be respectable this year.
What on god's green earth are you guys talking about?

You know what the difference was between the Cavs' 4th pick and the Hornets' 1st pick in this draft? It wasn't wins/losses, because the Cavs and Hornets finished with exactly the same record.

It came down to a coin flip... Which the Cavs WON. Prior to the lottery, there was a coin flip held to see which team would get the extra combination and technically the No. 3 "seed" in the lottery and which would get 4th "seed" since the two teams tied for the same record.

The Cavs won the coin flip, got the extra combination with slightly higher odds of landing the No. 1 pick (and thus Davis). Turns out, if we would have lost that coin flip, we would have the No. 1 pick.

The Cavs did all they could to land Davis and that included holding Kyrie and Varejao out much longer than what was necessary toward the end of the season. Their odds were third best to land the best player in the draft... Can't ask for much more than that from a team that was battling for a playoff spot at the All-Star break.

We got lucky last year and unlucky this year... That was the difference... Not wins/losses.


And, once again, I wouldn't even think about giving up Irving for Davis. That would be immensely stupid, let alone including the No. 4 pick.

Proven NBA talent > Unproven NBA talent

[JustinJDW]

My goodness Anthony Davis is overrated. Media loves to gather around and hype up one guy every year in the draft, and this year its him. He will not be a franchise dominating big. He's Marcus Camby 2.0.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist will be the star coming out of this draft. Book it.

[RedBlackAttack]

My goodness Anthony Davis is overrated. Media loves to gather around and hype up one guy every year in the draft, and this year its him. He will not be a franchise dominating big. He's Marcus Camby 2.0.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist will be the star coming out of this draft. Book it.
...who, coincidentally, the Cavs may end up landing.

Word around the 'net is that Charlotte is falling in love with Thomas Robinson and Washington likes Beal.

[JustinJDW]

...who, coincidentally, the Cavs may end up landing.

Word around the 'net is that Charlotte is falling in love with Thomas Robinson and Washington likes Beal.If Cleveland gets MKG then the league better watch the **** out in about three years. Holy shit.

[GOBB]

RBA would you have traded last years #1 pick or Andrew Bynum? Aldridge? B.griffin? D.cousins?


If Cleveland gets MKG then the league better watch the **** out in about three years. Holy shit.

Next Dwade right :rolleyes:

[JustinJDW]

Next Dwade right :rolleyes:Yes sir. Way too much potential. Once he develops a jumper...he will blow up.

[EricGordon23]

My goodness Anthony Davis is overrated. Media loves to gather around and hype up one guy every year in the draft, and this year its him. He will not be a franchise dominating big. He's Marcus Camby 2.0.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist will be the star coming out of this draft. Book it.


T-rob will be the star out of this draft class. Don't be dumb

[CavaliersFTW]

T-rob will be the star out of this draft class. Don't be dumb
He has 8.5 inch wide hands. Won't be able to catch the passes from NBA level guards - he's never going to be able to help the offense.

[IGotACoolStory]

That jumper is so broke. He may never develop a consistent jumper.

He's also shorter than I thought. 14 ppg career average, 17 ppg peak.