Dream Team vs. Redeem Team: Who wins?

[bsyde82]

Best of 7 series, NBA rules (not that it really matters)

Who you got?

sorry if this has already been posted before, just thought of it in light of the dream team special tonight.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Ib4 you

[swi7ch]

:facepalm

[EnoughSaid]

:facepalm The team with the best PG, SG, SF ever.

[IGOTGAME]

:facepalm The team with the best PG, SG, SF ever.

Dream Team wins but the bolded aren't the reasons.

[Cali Syndicate]

:facepalm The team with the best PG, SG, SF ever.

Dream team for me, but Bird's back was pretty f'd up by 92.

[Noob Saibot]

The Dream Team of 92' is perhaps one of the best basketball squads ever assembled. Redeem Team was nice, but they are not nearly as talented.

[Shepseskaf]

The Dream Team of 92' is perhaps one of the best basketball squads ever assembled.
Perhaps?

[Noob Saibot]

Perhaps?

^well, if all the of the 92' players were in their prime. There would be no question.

[Shepseskaf]

^well, if all the of the 92' players were in their prime. There would be no question.
:facepalm

There is no question.

[tmacattack33]

The 96 team was very good too.

Hakeem at his second prime...Shaq, Penny, Grant Hill...with Payton, Pippen, David Robinson, Stockton, Reggie Miller, Malone, and Barkley.

I think I'd take that team over the redeem team. It is much more balanced. LOL at Dwight and Bosh trying to hang with Shaq, Hakeem, and Malone.

[inclinerator]

well nobody is stopping durant, durant gonna get 60 ppg on 60 percent from the field

[WockaVodka]

well nobody is stopping durant, durant gonna get 60 ppg on 60 percent from the field
Redeem Team is the 2008 USA Team, not the 2012 one.

Dream Team would clearly destroy the Redeem team though.

[04mzwach]

Let us throw the rosters out there so people aren't mistaken.

2008 Redeem Team

Jason Kidd, Lebron James, Deron Williams, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Chris Paul, Tayshaun Prince, Carmelo Anthony
1992* Dream Team

Charles Barkley (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)Larry Bird (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/bird.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)Clyde Drexler (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/drexler.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)Patrick Ewing (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/ewing.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)Magic Johnson (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/magic.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)Michael Jordan (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/jordan.htm), Christian Laettner, (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)Karl Malone (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/malone.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)Chris Mullin (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/mullin.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)Scottie Pippen (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/pippen.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)David Robinson (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/drob.htm), (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/barkley.htm)John Stockton (http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/stockton.htm)
Possible 2012 Team (cuts not made of course)


Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Rudy Gay, Eric Gordon, Andre Iguodala, James Harden, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Lamar Odom, Kevin Love, Tyson Chandler, Lebron James, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Deron Williams

[DirtySanchez]

Bobby Sura would win.

[Kensta]

I'm going to go with Redeem Team. Only because Bird and Magic were already out of their primes by then.

[d.bball.guy]

Grant Hill

[04mzwach]

I honestly couldn't see their defense stopping Melo from scoring in the paint. I think he'd give them the edge. I don't like betting over all time greats either. Well, then again...couldn't see it the other way around with Jordan, Bird, Magic. ****. I wonder what Jlauber would say.

[juju151111]

I'm going to go with Redeem Team. Only because Bird and Magic were already out of their primes by then.
Magic was 2 years away from a MVP.

[bizil]

I would roll with the Dream Team. For me, the power positions are actually the key difference for me in addition to having the GOAT in MJ. Bird was not prime Bird at that point. Magic was still slightly outta of his prime game shape wise, but it wasn't like an injury hobbled Bird type of situation. But I would take Magic over any of the Redeem team PG's. However, I would take Bron, Wade, and Melo over Drexler, Pippen, and Mullin. And Kobe is the closest thing to MJ. The difference is the frontcourt. The Redeem squad can't match Pat, Dave, Chuck, and Mailman.

[Xiao Yao You]

Dream Team sweeps.

[Noyze]

I'm going to go with Redeem Team. Only because Bird and Magic were already out of their primes by then.

This, I love all of you automatically saying the Dream team wins not even considering that Magic and especially Bird were way out of their prime.

[T-Time3]

David Joel Stern

oh and by the way, lamar odom and griffin should not make the 2012 olympic team.

[Xiao Yao You]

This, I love all of you automatically saying the Dream team wins not even considering that Magic and especially Bird were way out of their prime.

Magic was still better than most guys when he came back as a fat ass at sf. He'd probably still be able to play good team ball. The Dream Team could all be willing passers unlike Kobe and Carmelo. Dream Team walks all over them.

[IGotACoolStory]

Yeah that Magic sucked. He was only averaging 19/12.5/7 in 1991.

And Bird in in the last two seasons of his career? Only 20/7/9.

They were only on the Dream Team because of their names.

[Pushxx]

:facepalm...

[Collie]

You could argue that Magic was still somewhat in his prime. He wasn't old (31 or 32), and just put up a 19-7-11 season. Bird was hobbled, but he was still effective especially as a court general and a facilitator. He wouldn't have been asked to be the main scorer anyway, and more of an outside threat.

The guy who said that the frontcourt would be the biggest difference is right. 7-1 Drob and 7-0 Patrick would be defensive monsters, and Dwight would have been the only one who could even remotely match up with them. This is YOUNG Drob, he was quick as a gazelle and amazingly strong.

[jlauber]

How about this "what-if?"

The ORIGINAL Dream Team...

Had NBA players been allowed to play in the Olympics, just how dominant would the '68 and '72 teams have been?

Keep in mind that the major college stars did not play in the '68 Olympics, and yet our USA team, with the relatively unknown Spencer Haywood, went 9-0 in that Olympics, and just blitzed their opposition.

Now, can you imagine THAT team with...

Jerry Lucas
Rick Barry
Willis Reed
Elgin Baylor
Jerry West
Oscar Robertson
John Havlicek
Dave Bing
Walt Frazier
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain

and then add college players like Lew Alcindor (Kareem), Elvin Hayes, and Pete Maravich.

Only Russell would have been out of his prime.


How about '72? (Remember, our real team was ROBBED in that Olympics)...

Julius Erving
Nate Archibald
Walt Frazier
Jerry West
Gail Goodrich
Rick Barry
Elvin Hayes
Artis Gilmore
Billy Cunningham
Bob Lanier
Kareem
Wilt

Then add David Thompson, Bob McAdoo, and Bill Walton.

[TheBigVeto]

The 96 team was very good too.

Hakeem at his second prime...Shaq, Penny, Grant Hill...with Payton, Pippen, David Robinson, Stockton, Reggie Miller, Malone, and Barkley.

I think I'd take that team over the redeem team. It is much more balanced. LOL at Dwight and Bosh trying to hang with Shaq, Hakeem, and Malone.

This.
People made such a big deal about the Redeem team is the only other USA Basketball team that can give the Dream Team some challenge. WRONG. The 1996 team is the 2nd best USA Basketball team ever. They got size and they got shooters. They can beat the 1992 team.

[L8k3r5]

Dream Team sweeps.
You're highly underestimating the Redeem Team. The Dream Team wouldn't sweep them...

[boojitede]

This.
People made such a big deal about the Redeem team is the only other USA Basketball team that can give the Dream Team some challenge. WRONG. The 1996 team is the 2nd best USA Basketball team ever. They got size and they got shooters. They can beat the 1992 team.
I think the 96 team has a real shot. u lose mj, but gain hakeem, shaq, penny, reggie and grant hill.. plus payton to guard MJ. SCARY

[WillyJakk]

I really don't think alot of guys realize just how damn good Magic Johnson really was, as a basketball player and as a leader and you really mean to tell me that a lil' shit like Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook is gonna outplay or no less out think that guy?

:biggums:

FTR, '96 Dream Team > Redeem Team

[L.Kizzle]

Dream Team II beats the Redeem Team.

Shaq (2nd season)
Nique (slightly past prime)
Miller (PRIME)
Dumars (PRIME)
Kevin Johnson (PRIME)
Mourning (2nd season)
Mark Price (PRIME)
Kemp (PRIME)
Grandmama (PRIME)
Coleman (PRIME)
Majerle (PRIME)
Smith (pre-prime)

[blacknapalm]

I really don't think alot of guys realize just how damn good Magic Johnson really was, as a basketball player and as a leader and you really mean to tell me that a lil' shit like Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook is gonna outplay or no less out think that guy?

:biggums:

FTR, '96 Dream Team > Redeem Team

plus you had barkley, malone and pippen on the wing as finishers. barkley could take it coast to coast in like five dribbles. let's not forget how well a young robinson ran the floor as well...guy ran like a gazelle

dream team would win fairly comfortably

[bizil]

The '94 World Championship Team and Dream Team 2 ('96 for me was the real Dream Team 2) were awesome teams too. 96 in particular was a scary ass team. U had a lot of guys from the first Dream Team combined with great young talent like Shaq, Penny, and G Hill. Awesome, awesome team.

[Kevin_Gamble]

Wow, this thread is like that Lebron vs. Silverback Gorilla thread from a while back.

[Rysio]

if mamba plays like he did in the final game vs spain redeem wins. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[sundizz]

Damn...i damn near cried watching that. That was amazing. My deepest wishes are to watch a prime Kobe vs prime Jordan. If there is a heaven that would be the trailer for before I got in..

[Kobe 4 The Win]

I don't understand this BS that keeps going around that Magic Johnson was way past his prime in 1992. He was MVP in 1990 and second to Jordan for MVP in 1991. He was only 32. He came back in 1996 fat and out of shape and put up 19/10/8 with 2 steals in his first game back. Come on son.

Is this wishfull thinking or ignorance? Either way you need to get it in check.

[Xiao Yao You]

Damn...i damn near cried watching that. That was amazing. My deepest wishes are to watch a prime Kobe vs prime Jordan. If there is a heaven that would be the trailer for before I got in..

Kobe is nothing more than Russell/Ehlo in that match-up.

[Xiao Yao You]

if mamba plays like he did in the final game vs spain redeem wins. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Considering how bad he was torched by Rudy and Navarro when his role was supposed to be stopper I'd hate to think what MJ/Drexler do to him.

[miles berg]

Dream team sweeps.

It's not even close.

[Teanett]

I don't understand this BS that keeps going around that Magic Johnson was way past his prime in 1992. He was MVP in 1990 and second to Jordan for MVP in 1991. He was only 32.

this.
also, '92 charles barkley was the closest any individual player got to being as good as jordan.

[bluechox2]

dream team

[DaHeezy]

I just love how everybody jumps to conclusions and goes to absurd legnths to defend the 92 Dream Team.

Remember that Laker team that had 4 of the greatest players of their era that got beat by a band of Piston no-namers?

Let's not assume that because the players on the 92 team were greater individuals gives the team a free pass over any team of all time.

[lakers_forever]

The 96 team was amazing (probably just as good as the Dream team). Look at this roster:


Peny Hardaway/ Stockton / Payton
Reggie Miller / Mitch Richmond
Pippen / Grant Hill
Malone / Barkley
Shaq/ Olajuwon / Robinson

:bowdown:

My rankings:


1) 1992
2) 1996
3) 2008 (with KG and Duncan, they would have a better chance agains the above teams).
4) 1994

[tontoz]

Is this a serious question?

[t-rex]

If you allow for the premise that the Dream team play, assuming everyone is at their peak prime powers, no team in the history of sports has ever been more talented or unbeatable.

[rule1223]

this years 2012 team will be better than the dream team

[TheNaturalWR]

People acting like it's not even close are severely underrated the redeem team. They had a 6th man who went on to average 30 PPG in the upcoming season coming off the bench in Dwyane Wade...It's VERY close.

[tontoz]

People acting like it's not even close are severely underrated the redeem team. They had a 6th man who went on to average 30 PPG in the upcoming season coming off the bench in Dwyane Wade...It's VERY close.

Setting aside the other positions...

How would the Redeem Team match up with DRob/Ewing and Malone/Barkley?

[mobbdeep]

Did anyone see the Dream Team doc? I saw this funny part with John Stockton.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/utah_jazz_legend_john_stockton_is_not_recognized_b y_any_fans_in_barcelona/11013410

No one recognized him at all as he walked off the bus. So funny.

[Tenchi Ryu]

this years 2012 team will be better than the dream team
Time to stop posting.

[CHi1PriDe]

Setting aside the other positions...

How would the Redeem Team match up with DRob/Ewing and Malone/Barkley?

Against Redeem teams bigs- Dwight, boozer, and Bosh. Dream Teams bigs would straight up murder them :roll:

A nice 10 min clip of the dream team from espn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OuBHXiwdi4