Ray Allen Wants Heat Or Clippers

[Clippersfan86]

“If the Celtics don’t pan out for Allen, Sports Illustrated’s NBA writer Chris Mannix was told that the Knicks and Heat are at the top of his list. But a source very familiar with Allen’s situation told ESPNNewYork.com that the Heat, as well as potentially the Clippers, will be more attractive to the five-time All-Star in the offseason because they’re top teams that can offer more than the veteran’s minimum of $1.4 million. That will likely be the Knicks’ spending limit for free agents. “

Basically he'd also want Knicks but knows they can't afford him. Is Allen at this age/point even an upgrade to Billups? He struggled a lot in the playoffs.

Something for laughs BTW.... At the trade deadline Clippers were in talks for Ray Allen but the Celtics demanded Bledsoe+DeAndre+ 1st rounder. LMFAO.... Is Ainge out of his fu**ing mind? I'm sure the Clippers had a great laugh, told him to **** off and that they will just get him in free agency.

[Phong]

LeBron's team is where players go to die and get blamed for LeBron's failures.

[D-Rose]

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[Clippersfan86]

Oh you're sure that's what they said, eh? Exactly, word for word? Or more like along those lines?

:hammerhead:

:D . No but seriously has Ainge went off the deep end? Declining 36 or 37 year old Ray Allen who's about to be an unrestricted free agent and they ask for Bledsoe+DJ+Pick? Bledsoe alone has a lot more value than Ray Allen at this point.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

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[Derka]

The Heat need a center and a point guard, not a backup for Dwayne Wade. Now, if the Heat somehow trade Wade to get one of those pieces...Ray would slide right in to a team where he'd be blamed for not being good enough to get Lebron a ring.

Knicks would be a good move, but I hope he doesn't think Melo and Amar'e will be out there setting screens for him to get open.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm pretty certain of 3 things: the trade conversation was Bledsoe + a 1st + filler for Ray, Ray is almost certainly NOT signing back with Boston, and he will be back much better next year (without ankle spurs) than he was in the playoffs.

"The Clippers inquired about Allen at the trade deadline, but Boston asked for Eric Bledsoe, DeAndre Jordan and a future first-round pick. The Clippers instantly balked at the asking price, preferring to pursue Allen as a free agent."

http://clippers.ocregister.com/2012/06/13/report-ray-allen-likes-the-clippers/

Bledsoe has more value league wide than Allen by himself. Not to mention they demanded a starting center with upside and a 1st rounder. Crack smoke offer.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

:D . No but seriously has Ainge went off the deep end? Declining 36 or 37 year old Ray Allen who's about to be an unrestricted free agent and they ask for Bledsoe+DJ+Pick? Bledsoe alone has a lot more value than Ray Allen at this point.

Ainge doesn't want DeAndre Jordan for 3 years on that contract. No thanks. He'd have been used for another trade, probably to the Warriors or Rockets.

[Jimmy2k8]

He'd be more suited just signing with the Clippers instead of the Heat. Unless he wants to be blamed for potential shortcomings of a championship.

[UtahJazzFan88]

If Ray goes to the Heat, :facepalm :no: . Considering he was playing for the Celtics for 5 seasons, and Celtics-Heat being a nice rivalry for a few of those runs/seasons, I'm not sure what to really say.

[Sarcastic]

:facepalm

The title should be "Ray Allen wants Knicks or Heat, with Clippers as an afterthought"

[Celtic_Pride]

Something for laughs BTW.... At the trade deadline Clippers were in talks for Ray Allen but the Celtics demanded Bledsoe+DeAndre+ 1st rounder. LMFAO.... Is Ainge out of his fu**ing mind? I'm sure the Clippers had a great laugh, told him to **** off and that they will just get him in free agency.

Thank god that trade didn't happen

Deandre has 1 of the worst contracts in the league and as a player he is the same as Ryan Hollins whom the Celtics signed for the minimum. Oh and Hollins is a better free throw shooter

Bledsoe for Celtics doesn't make any sense since we have Bradley who is an upgrade over Bledsoe!

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm

The title should be "Ray Allen wants Knicks or Heat, with Clippers as an afterthought"

[B][SIZE="4"]But a source very familiar with Allen

[ihatetimthomas]

Ray was playing hurt the entire playoffs. He had bone spurs and that shyt is painful. Surgery will clean that up and he should be more effective next season. He literally came back midway through the first round and what do you expect him to do? Come back in 100% form?

Clippers would be lucky to get his services.

[MeLO MvP 15]

I saw this report. First of all always take a "sources very familiar with his situation" story because that's a way for a writer to get away with passing speculation for news. But it makes a lot of sense. The Clips are perfect for Ray. He'd essentially play Chauncey's role but he's more of a true SG.

I don't see Miami giving Ray their tax payer's MLE. They have 3 similar back ups to their 2 best players already and should go for a big man. Also Ray in Miami gets under-utilized. I promise. Mike Miller and James Jones both became much worse there and the same would happen to Ray. I know he's better than the them, but he's also old.

Also, I wouldn't count NY out. He fits perfectly, he'd get a big role (probably start) and maybe get big minutes (especially early on with Shump out). If we win the union case, then we'd get money to throw at him. But even if we don't, I'd say there's an outside shot.

Chicago actually would be the favorite if Rose wasn't injured... but he is, so I can't see either side really seeing the same appeal.

And regarding that trade. Wow. Ainge really tried to get away with a steal. I would've guessed Boston would be the one giving up a pick(s) in a Deandre- Ray swap! Let alone ask LAC to give picks and Bledsoe!

[Clippersfan86]

Thank god that trade didn't happen

Deandre has 1 of the worst contracts in the league and as a player he is the same as Ryan Hollins whom the Celtics signed for the minimum. Oh and Hollins is a better free throw shooter

Bledsoe for Celtics doesn't make any sense since we have Bradley who is an upgrade over Bledsoe!

DeAndre will likely have a big year this year. He's statistically at the same point Tyson Chandler was at his age/experience level. Hollins is a solid player but he's not a starter and never will be on a decent team. DeAndre is no doubt overpaid but he has a great chance to become fairly priced if he improves.

As for Bledsoe vs Bradley I wouldn't be so sure about that. Bledsoe has more upside and in the playoffs proved to the world he's an elite defender (I've been saying it for over a year now).

Remember this game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-s0W6Jqos

21 and 9 by DJ vs Celtics.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

"The Clippers inquired about Allen at the trade deadline, but Boston asked for Eric Bledsoe, DeAndre Jordan and a future first-round pick. The Clippers instantly balked at the asking price, preferring to pursue Allen as a free agent."

http://clippers.ocregister.com/2012/06/13/report-ray-allen-likes-the-clippers/

Bledsoe has more value league wide than Allen by himself. Not to mention they demanded a starting center with upside and a 1st rounder. Crack smoke offer.

It wasn't an offer at all. Clips wanted a price, they got a price. What was Ainge going to say? it's a negotiation after all - he would definitely have taken less than that. And whatever you say, that Jordan contract is NASTY.

[Clippersfan86]

I saw this report. First of all always take a "sources very familiar with his situation" story because that's a way for a writer to get away with passing speculation for news. But it makes a lot of sense. The Clips are perfect for Ray. He'd essentially play Chauncey's role but he's more of a true SG.

I don't see Miami giving Ray their tax payer's MLE. They have 3 similar back ups to their 2 best players already and should go for a big man. Also Ray in Miami gets under-utilized. I promise. Mike Miller and James Jones both became much worse there and the same would happen to Ray. I know he's better than the them, but he's also old.

Also, I wouldn't count NY out. He fits perfectly, he'd get a big role (probably start) and maybe get big minutes (especially early on with Shump out). If we win the union case, then we'd get money to throw at him. But even if we don't, I'd say there's an outside shot.

Chicago actually would be the favorite if Rose wasn't injured... but he is, so I can't see either side really seeing the same appeal.

And regarding that trade. Wow. Ainge really tried to get away with a steal. I would've guessed Boston would be the one giving up a pick(s) in a Deandre- Ray swap! Let alone ask LAC to give picks and Bledsoe!

Great post. Agree 100 percent. I'd say if Knicks had more money he WOULD indeed fit nice.. although they supposedly want to bring Jr back too. I'd say his best fit is Clippers when you combine money+fit+ready to contend soon.

[Clippersfan86]

It wasn't an offer at all. Clips wanted a price, they got a price. What was Ainge going to say? it's a negotiation after all - he would definitely have taken less than that. And whatever you say, that Jordan contract is NASTY.

Oh I'm not denying that. At this point he's a burden. If he can improve though and hit his potential he will be a bargain or at the very least be an OKAY contract. If he can just get to 10, 10 and 3 blocks a game (not too far from those numbers) he would be great. My problem with DJ is his lack of physicality honestly. He needs to toughen up and be more physical.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

DeAndre will likely have a big year this year. He's statistically at the same point Tyson Chandler was at his age/experience level. Hollins is a solid player but he's not a starter and never will be on a decent team. DeAndre is no doubt overpaid but he has a great chance to become fairly priced if he improves.

As for Bledsoe vs Bradley I wouldn't be so sure about that. Bledsoe has more upside and in the playoffs proved to the world he's an elite defender (I've been saying it for over a year now).

Remember this game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-s0W6Jqos

21 and 9 by DJ vs Celtics.

Jordan is at least 4 years younger than Chandler's breakout year (last year with the Mavs). Nothing suggests next year he will break out. I wish the Celtics handed out contracts to player that may "become fairly priced" :oldlol:

"Bledsoe has more upside" is a totally unquantifiable statement so I can just reply with "No, Bradley has more upside" and only time can prove either of us wrong.

I do remember DeAndre Jordan being able to dunk, yes.

[ihatetimthomas]

DeAndre will likely have a big year this year. He's statistically at the same point Tyson Chandler was at his age/experience level. Hollins is a solid player but he's not a starter and never will be on a decent team. DeAndre is no doubt overpaid but he has a great chance to become fairly priced if he improves.

As for Bledsoe vs Bradley I wouldn't be so sure about that. Bledsoe has more upside and in the playoffs proved to the world he's an elite defender (I've been saying it for over a year now).

Remember this game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-s0W6Jqos

21 and 9 by DJ vs Celtics.

Wasnt Deandre supposed to have a break out season this year?

I mean this guy was a total non factor in the playoffs. Reggie Evans made 10x the impact he made.

Deandre didnt improve at all since last year.

Chandler was making a much bigger impact on the game at Jordans age.

I think he has the physical tools to be good, but lets not overrate him. He has given me no reason to believe he will be much better than this season. He has a lot of work to do.

[Clippersfan86]

Jordan is at least 4 years younger than Chandler's breakout year (last year with the Mavs). Nothing suggests next year he will break out. I wish the Celtics handed out contracts to player that may "become fairly priced" :oldlol:

"Bledsoe has more upside" is a totally unquantifiable statement so I can just reply with "No, Bradley has more upside" and only time can prove either of us wrong.

I do remember DeAndre Jordan being able to dunk, yes.

I'm not even worried bro. This year when Bledsoe gets more minutes everybody will see he's better than Bradley. I said he was a stud and everybody laughed at me last year. Then the dude dominates in the playoffs and now people know. By next year I expect Bledsoe to improve big time yet again. Bradley is more disciplined and fouls less... but Bledsoe has more impact, especially with his blocks, steals and offensive rebounds which Bradley can't replicate. Bledsoe is a 6'0 PG who is 2nd in the NBA among guards for shotblocking rate and 2nd in offensive rebound rate.

As for DeAndre I watched young Chandler on the Bulls (remember Clippers drafted him and traded him for Brand) and he didn't have any more impact than current DeAndre. Both altered shots, rebounded, got all of their offense on the boards and lobs. Zero difference.

[Celtic_Pride]

Whoever plays for the Clippers has more upside than anyone on your team

:facepalm

No point in arguing with you!



Also, I wouldn't count NY out. He fits perfectly, he'd get a big role (probably start) and maybe get big minutes (especially early on with Shump out).

Lin, Ray, Melo, Amare is a terrible team defensively!

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm

No point in arguing with you!



Lin, Ray, Melo, Amare is a terrible team defensively!

Bledsoe>Bradley. People will learn soon enough.

[Celtic_Pride]

Bledsoe>Bradley. People will learn soon enough.

You also said Bledsoe > Irving

[MeLO MvP 15]

Lin, Ray, Melo, Amare is a terrible team defensively!
Not really. I love how the second Ray is about the leave Boston (not written in stone, he could end up staying) he's a bad defender. Damn. Ray is average defensively. He's slower because he's old, but he's still solid.

Melo gets a rep as being a bad defender, but anyone who has watched him play the last 2-3 years can say that he's not that bad. I'd say he's normally an average defender, but when motivated he's actually a great defender. But of course most just go off reputation and word of mouth and call him a bad defender.

Lin actually looked okay defensively as the season went on. Before he got injured he looked much improved. He's really quick and strong which give him the tools to be an even better defender.

Yeah Amar'e is a horrible defender, I won't argue that. He actually does try, but he's always making dumb mistakes and has zero understanding of pick and roll defense.

[Clippersfan86]

You also said Bledsoe > Irving

Irving is a future superstar and a legit franchise player, Bradley isn't. Even last season towards end of season and in playoffs Bledsoe looked like a better player than Bradley. Bradley scored more... Bledsoe was the better rebounder and defender.

Bledsoe handily outplayed Bradley in the playoffs (Bledsoe played 11 games, Bradley played 10).

PER 36 regular season (with Bledsoe coming back from a torn MCL).

Bledsoe: 10.2 ppg, 5 rpg, 5.1 apg, 2.4 spg, 1.1 bpg.

Bradley: 12.7 ppg, 3 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.1 spg, .3 bpg.

The only way Bradley is better at this point is scoring but he's also getting more than a full extra field goal PER 36.

[TheBluest]

If CP3 is already arguable Top 5 All Time Point Guard(he's not) and for sure lock Top 5 player in the league(possibly it's debatable) today then the Clippers move Bledsoe for more team needs if Billups is returning simple as that....

Clippers need ALF more than they need Bleddy and that's a fact.

Clippers need Steve Novak right now more than they need Bleddy that's a fact.

Clippers need Kris Kaman or Kris Humpries or Ersan Illy more than need Bleddy that's a fact.

To be honest if he wasn't such a skitzo the Clippers could use someone like J.R. Smith

They need a Big/C who can actually score with his own offense working with CP3

They need an athletic 3 who defends

They need a 3 who can shoot lights out

They need a 2 guard who can get his own shot.


One of the things I would look into if I were the Clippers is move Bledsoe/Gomes to Brooklyn for Morrow/Pick


Bledsoe if given the time/minutes is possibly near Ty Lawson level although he can't shoot as well as Ty.... definitely not the 3ball

Bradley I see as a potentially more defensive Jason Terry. Keep improving his shot(namely midrange game)

Not sure how one could clearly state 1 is better than the other unless they're jealous over publicity one may get over the other. Very typical of some fans behavior though. Bradley does have the edge at the moment though.

[Clippersfan86]

If CP3 is already arguable Top 5 All Time Point Guard(he's not) and for sure lock Top 5 player in the league(possibly it's debatable) today then the Clippers move Bledsoe for more team needs if Billups is returning simple as that....

Clippers need ALF more than they need Bleddy and that's a fact.

Clippers need Steve Novak right now more than they need Bleddy that's a fact.

Clippers need Kris Kaman or Kris Humpries or Ersan Illy more than need Bleddy that's a fact.

To be honest if he wasn't such a skitzo the Clippers could use someone like J.R. Smith

They need a Big/C who can actually score with his own offense working with CP3

They need an athletic 3 who defends

They need a 3 who can shoot lights out

They need a 2 guard who can get his own shot.


One of the things I would look into if I were the Clippers is move Bledsoe/Gomes to Brooklyn for Morrow/Pick


Bledsoe if given the time/minutes is possibly near Ty Lawson level although he can't shoot as well as Ty.... definitely not the 3ball

Bradley I see as a potentially more defensive Jason Terry. Keep improving his shot(namely midrange game)

Not sure how one could clearly state 1 is better than the other unless they're jealous over publicity one may get over the other. Very typical of some fans behavior though. Bradley does have the edge at the moment though.

:roll: :roll: . After the playoffs reports are that the Clippers were getting high volume calls from teams asking for Bledsoe and his value skyrocketed around the league. If you think Morrow package will get it done... you're on crack :no: . Bledsoe isn't a star... but for his upside, contract size and current game he's worth much more.

One trade I'd be okay with is Bledsoe for Courtney Lee straight up... although I have a feeling the Clippers would eventually regret it.

[Scholar]

:facepalm

The title should be "Ray Allen wants Knicks or Heat, with Clippers as an afterthought"

The title should be "Another future Hall-of-Famer soils his career by trying to chase any ring possible."

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why would he want to go to a loser franchise like the Clippers?

[wally_world]

I'd never burn all the bridges and go to a rival team (Heat). I hope Ray Ray doesnt do so.

[jbryan1984]

I would really hate to see Ray Allen on the Heat. He is just too much of a inspirational player to be booed to death.

[AMISTILLILL]

He should sign with OKC if they amnesty Perkins.

[Clippersfan86]

Godsoe approves of Ray Allen.

http://www.nationofblue.com/content/attachments/2807d1285715978-eric_bledsoe3.jpg

[Funnyfuka]

he s lucky to still play in the nba..he s been way overated for a while.

[swi7ch]

Great, another washed up player teaming up with another washed up player in Wade. :facepalm

LBJ needs a sidekick that is in his PRIME!

[AMISTILLILL]

he s lucky to still play in the nba..he s been way overated for a while.

:rolleyes:

[TheBluest]

:roll: :roll: . After the playoffs reports are that the Clippers were getting high volume calls from teams asking for Bledsoe and his value skyrocketed around the league. If you think Morrow package will get it done... you're on crack :no: . Bledsoe isn't a star... but for his upside, contract size and current game he's worth much more.

One trade I'd be okay with is Bledsoe for Courtney Lee straight up... although I have a feeling the Clippers would eventually regret it.


What?

Morrow/Pick>Courtney Lee A Billion Times out of 10

[BlackVVaves]

DeAndre will likely have a big year this year. He's statistically at the same point Tyson Chandler was at his age/experience level. Hollins is a solid player but he's not a starter and never will be on a decent team. DeAndre is no doubt overpaid but he has a great chance to become fairly priced if he improves.

As for Bledsoe vs Bradley I wouldn't be so sure about that. Bledsoe has more upside and in the playoffs proved to the world he's an elite defender (I've been saying it for over a year now).

Remember this game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp-s0W6Jqos

21 and 9 by DJ vs Celtics.

Bledsoe is not an elite defender, stop it. A very good defender, but he's not Gary Payton, Bruce Bowen, prime Artest on the perimeter. Hell, he's not even Sefolosha or Shawn Marion out there.

Those are people who earned the title "elite" defender. Giving Bledsoe the title "elite" defender is as irresponsible as calling Novak an "elite" shooter.



Sigh.

[TheBluest]

Bledsoe is not an elite defender, stop it. A very good defender, but he's not Gary Payton, Bruce Bowen, prime Artest on the perimeter. Hell, he's not even Sefolosha or Shawn Marion out there.

Those are people who earned the title "elite" defender. Giving Bledsoe the title "elite" defender is as irresponsible as calling Novak an "elite" shooter.



Sigh.


He also said Blesoe was DOMINANT IN THE PLAYOFFS but wants fans to tone it down on Rondo.....:coleman: :coleman:

[SacJB Shady]

Miami would be better than the Thunder if they had a 4th star, aging or not.

Dwayne Wade
Ray Allen
Lebron James
Udonis Haslem
Chris Bosh

[Nash]

Whatever money Ray has on his mind from Miami, they should try offering it to a big man.

[Clippersfan86]

Bledsoe is not an elite defender, stop it. A very good defender, but he's not Gary Payton, Bruce Bowen, prime Artest on the perimeter. Hell, he's not even Sefolosha or Shawn Marion out there.

Those are people who earned the title "elite" defender. Giving Bledsoe the title "elite" defender is as irresponsible as calling Novak an "elite" shooter.



Sigh.

Bradley is the only PG in the realm of Bledsoe's defensive prowess. I consider him an elite perimeter defender and if you look at his synergy man defense numbers combined with his steals and block rates... it's proven.

This isn't just my opinion but the numbers and footage back it up. You don't need to tell me he's not the best perimeter defender of all time (Payton). I didn't say he was. He's definitely "elite" defensively in my eyes and at worst is very good. John Hollinger a known Clippers hater called him a top 5 perimeter defender and that was before his dominant defense in the playoffs.

Novak is an elite shooter. He's arguably the best shooter in the game right now... not sure why that sounds ridiculous to you :confusedshrug: . BTW Gary Payton said Bledsoe is a defensive monster and will be a good starting PG if he keeps improving.

[Clippersfan86]

He also said Blesoe was DOMINANT IN THE PLAYOFFS but wants fans to tone it down on Rondo.....:coleman: :coleman:

Rondo was UBER DOMINANT in the playoffs. I've never questioned how good his performance was. I questioned the idea of using a dominant playoff run to vault a player from the 3-5 best PG to the best PG in the game.

Considering he came off the bench Bledsoe was dominant in the playoffs. He absolutely obliterated some the best guards in the game defensively. When he was guarding Tony Parker and Manu they literally couldn't even get off shots. He was swatting bigmen going for dunks, crashing the offensive boards for tip jams and kick outs for wide open 3's. I mean the guy had the best PER in the playoffs of any Clippers player with 22.5 which is scary because PER is purely an offensive stat. It doesn't measure just how dominant his man defense was.

In the playoffs the duo of Bledsoe+CP3 were allowing an INSANE 73 points per 100 possessions at some point. Swapping Bledsoe for Mo, Foye or Young and the number increased to 95+ per 100. Basically Bledsoe's defensive impact is amazing and DOMINANT when you look at the metrics.

[Mach_3]

Why would he want to go to a loser franchise like the Clippers?


This. Ray Allen is gonna retire before the Clippers get to the finals :lol

[Killbot]

Chris Mannix blows things out of proportion. The recent article he had stating that there was a rift between him and Rondo is an example of that. They had their squabbles, but there certainly was no rift.

Will Ray Allen be back on the Celtics? Depends on KG.

Ray Allen probably wants to get paid, be able to make an impact AND to be on a championship contender.

[Da Hammer]

I don't really think he would fit in with the Heat at all. As good a shooter as he is, I think Ray does better when he is moving in rhythm into the shot coming off screens or in transition. While with Lebron when he is not going to get many shots in transition because thats when lebron and wade are at there best either, getting dunks/lay ups or drawing the fouls. And in the half court Ray would have to settle to being a spot up shooter because Lebron likes to suck people in and then pass to open players with the clock down. He would do good but not great in that situation.

[G-train]

Fiction article, he will play for C's.

[StateOfMind12]

Fiction article, he will play for C's.
[QUOTE]

[pauk]

LeBron's team is where players go to die and escape the blame because only Lebron gets blamed anyways.

fixed

Anyways... Ray Allen would be a FANTASTIC fit to Lebron

[All Net]

Clippers would be a perfect fit....

[senelcoolidge]

Clippers would be a great fit for him. At this point in his career he's basically a spot up shooter..but he's great off the ball. The Clippers love to shoot the ball, it would be perfect for him. He'd help them a lot. Big upgrade over Foye. If he went to the Heat he'd probably struggle just like every other person that plays with Lebron and Wade.

[Clippersfan86]

OP just worded it incorrectly so people would be an interested in his thread and view it.

I'm not sure why the Clippers would want him though. They already have Nick Young and Eric Bledsoe at the 2 and maybe even Chauncey Billups if he comes back. Guards is the last thing that the Clippers should try and look for.

Not even close. If you've been reading anything lately Celtics fans and the organization alike all believe Allen is surely gone. They have replaced him with Bradley and he absolutely does NOT want a bench role.

[francesco totti]

he would definetly knock the open 3's he will get from lebron or wade, unlike mike miller.

[Fiasco]

would rather have Courtney Lee

[Clippersfan86]

would rather have Courtney Lee

Me too obviously but he's not a bad last resort. Sure as hell beats Randy "Disappear" Foye.

[sixer6ad]

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86][B][SIZE="4"]But a source very familiar with Allen

[ILLsmak]

lol Ray Ray would be great on the Heat, though. He could be their 6th man. They could even run Ray, Wade, LeBron at times.

It makes me sad, though, that all of these players are dying to play with LeBron, but I guess it's because they can contribute to that team.

-Smak

[dbugz]

Go to the Bulls or Clippers Ray!

[3zazer1]

LeBron's team is where players go to die and get blamed for LeBron's failures.
:lol :lol :cheers:

[CeltsGarlic]

Ray Allen wants out

http://i.imgur.com/yZVLD.gif
http://i.imgur.com/uyYex.gif

[PP34Deuce]

I don't think Ray cares about 8-9 mill, he won't get it. he wants to win and starting spot.

I fear more with Kevin Garnett....His value is high that any team will give him a 2 year 10 mill a year contract. BOS has no leverage with KG, its up to him where he goes

[Bigsmoke]

i dont know man.

Ray Allen is old as ****.

would he be that much of an upgrade from Rip?

Once you hit like 35 or whatever you just turn injury prone.

[jbot]

this would have been big news 5 years ago. the heat already have james jones and mike miller to fill the 3pt chucker roles. not sure about the clips.

[qrich]

All depends on his price tag. One year MLE, sure. Clippers than can just sign Young to 120% of his previous salary ($4.5 mil I believe), Evans to the Min or BAE (does it still exist?), Billups to a 1 year deal, swap Mo Gotti for a big, and I'd be content

[JohnnySic]

I remember when Ainge traded for Allen in '07. The general attitude was "meh, he's good, but he's getting old". No one was excited until the KG trade went down.

[clipps]

If he comes cheap, I'd love to see Ray come to the Clippers. The Clippers had an amazing off-season last year and turned things around, but I still have to see it to believe it when it comes to the Clippers making good, smart moves this off-season.

[Funnyfuka]

I don't think Ray cares about 8-9 mill, he won't get it. he wants to win and starting spot.

I fear more with Kevin Garnett....His value is high that any team will give him a 2 year 10 mill a year contract. BOS has no leverage with KG, its up to him where he goes
they d be dumb, cause he s not worth it. Just because he get hot and scores 3 or 5 threes once in every 5 games doest make him a strong "value". You d really have to be desperate to consider him a savior.

[Derka]

they d be dumb, cause he s not worth it. Just because he get hot and scores 3 or 5 threes once in every 5 games doest make him a strong "value". You d really have to be desperate to consider him a savior.
Ray Allen is 100% worth it.

Old or not, he's still the best shooter in the game. A machine, if you will. The spacing he provides out there is a beautiful thing. Having him out on the court forces ANY defense to have to guard him closely and know where he is at all times. Even if he's only making 30% of his three's in a given stretch...you still can't give him an open look. That's a weapon a lot of teams will pay to have, even with his defensive lapses.

My only question for Ray is...where is he going to go where he gets 1.) a good distributing point guard who will look for him and 2.) a group of guys who set him the kind of screens he needs to get open.

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Not even close. If you've been reading anything lately Celtics fans and the organization alike all believe Allen is surely gone. They have replaced him with Bradley and he absolutely does NOT want a bench role.

When did he say this?