Discuss the no-call against LeBron on Durant's shot near end of Finals Game 2

[bagelred]

Who changed the thread title? Control freaks.......

The title is:

THE BIG QUESTION: Was it or was it not a foul?


Thunder down 2. Durant makes a move. Lebron on him.....no call. Foul or no foul?

Here we go...........










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[swi7ch]

LBJ is now 14-3 when Dan Crawford is refereeing! :bowdown:

[magnax1]

What are we even talking about? KD's shot? If so, didn't look close to me.

[Kblaze8855]

With all the soft ass fouls going both ways tonight? Its a foul. Its a foul based on the calls before it.

[inclinerator]

nobody gets that call anymore, lebron got it in his first couple years and h avent since

[Indian guy]

It was, but I have zilch sympathy for OKC. They got a gift from the refs when they swallowed their whistle on Durant's 6th foul.

[CelticBaller]

With all the soft ass fouls going both ways tonight? Its a foul. Its a foul based on the calls before it.
this

[lakers_forever]

Clear Foul. Even the JVG, that Heat Homer, said so.

[Tenchi Ryu]

What are we even talking about? KD's shot? If so, didn't look close to me.
This homer here
:lol :lol :lol :lol
I bet it didn't look close

[enayes]

the refs can't see everything, stop complaining about calls and enjoy the game

[Kblaze8855]

Yea....Durant should have already been out. They pretty much decided not to get a "The fans arent here to see scrubs guys!" lecture from the bosses and let it go.

[juju151111]

Was it a foul? Are u ****ing stupid he ripped through his arm and then slap his elbow

[asdf1990]

better question is why was that charge called on battier, instead of a 6th foul on durant?

[tazb]

the big answer SHUT THE FVCK UP

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

the refs can't see everything, stop complaining about calls and enjoy the game

:biggums: the ref was right there...where the call happen...not even backside

[Rose]

With all the soft ass fouls going both ways tonight? Its a foul. Its a foul based on the calls before it.
This, could not agree more.:applause:

[niko]

With all the soft ass fouls going both ways tonight? Its a foul. Its a foul based on the calls before it.
This. In 1985. NO. In this game? It was flagrant 2 the way they called things.

[bagelred]

the big answer SHUT THE FVCK UP

u mad?

[DonDadda59]

Definitely a foul. But no official is ever going to call that in the waning seconds. Just the name of the game.

[RazorBaLade]

Was that crawford on the base line?

[juju151111]

With all the soft ass fouls going both ways tonight? Its a foul. Its a foul based on the calls before it.
It wasnt soft. He fouled him twice then fouled Westbrook

[kurt_rambis]

ticky-tack foul, but yeah technically was a foul

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Durant needs to save the one legged fadeaways for a a 7 foot German.

[comerb]

You don't call a weak ass foul like that on a game winner. He didn't even alter the shot. Durant missed a relatively easy uncontested shot, that's what it comes down to.

[dude77]

bagelred's mad :applause:

[Rose]

You don't call a weak ass foul like that on a game winner. He didn't even alter the shot. Durant missed a relatively easy uncontested shot, that's what it comes down to.
Let me take my 270 pound frame foul you in your chest, wrap your arm, oh and while your fading hit your thigh. OH and then when your teammate is rebounding let me hit him too, k thanx bai.

[lakers_forever]

Bill Simmons:

"Terrible no-call. Just terrible. I feel dirty."

Only guy on the ESPN twitter thing who said something about the foul had the courage t o say this:

"Haven't seen replay of Durant shot. But there were 50/50 calls thru 4Q, Durant came close to 6th foul. Can't rely on a call to decide game."

Haven't seen the replay? They showed several times. :facepalm

[magnax1]

Let me take my 270 pound frame foul you in your chest, wrap your arm, oh and while your feeding hit your thigh. OH and then when your teammate is rebounding let me hit him too, k thanx bai.
If that was a foul there were a lot of no calls on fouls in that game. That would be a really soft foul call.

[tazb]

u mad?

smh, white people.

[hitmanyr2k]

better question is why was that charge called on battier, instead of a 6th foul on durant?

Maybe because it wasn't a charge? They showed that replay more times than a Mike Tyson knockout and you could clearly see Battier trying to slide under Durant after he was already in the air.

[Cali Syndicate]

Obvious foul.

[Rose]

If that was a foul there were a lot of no calls on fouls in that game. That would be a really soft foul call.
So were the first three minutes of that quarter, and hell most of the game :lol

[comerb]

Let me take my 270 pound frame foul you in your chest, wrap your arm, oh and while your fading hit your thigh. OH and then when your teammate is rebounding let me hit him too, k thanx bai.

Did you really even watch that play? Talk about an exaggeration. Durant when up under total control, didn't have a hand in his face, and missed a relatively short and uncontested shot.

[RazorBaLade]

please

[magnax1]

So were the first three minutes of that quarter, and hell most of the game :lol
Like I said, if that was a foul I think there were quite a few other plays that should have been fouls. Especially on Thabo and Lebron.

[Mr. Jabbar]

LBJ is now 14-3 when Dan Crawford is refereeing! :bowdown:



:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Nowitzness81]

Clear visual evidence of a foul:

http://t.co/0wfW9K2j

[sportsfan76]

it was a stupid a$$ shot because in that situation being down 2 with 12 secs left, the play should have been to drive to the basket to draw a foul or get a better shot or a clear look at a three to win the game.

why the f*ck would he shoot a fade away base line shot?:confusedshrug:


So if we want to criticize someone it should be stupid a$$ Scott Brooks because of not designing a better play with 12 secs left in the game.

[unbreakable]

didnt affect the shot at all.. durant had a clean look shoulda made it

[BigTicket]

If that play had been reversed, and Lebron actually got FTs in such a situation, everyone would be on here winning that they did call the foul.

It's ISH standard operating procedure by this point. If Lebron wins, you blame it on the refs. Happens every single time.

[juju151111]

:applause: refs

[Rose]

Did you really even watch that play? Talk about an exaggeration. Durant when up under total control, didn't have a hand in his face, and missed a relatively short and uncontested shot.
Well no shit it was on his body.:facepalm

[juju151111]

didnt affect the shot at all.. durant had a clean look shoulda made it
U never played BB u have no clue wat ur talking about

[kurt_rambis]

he basically bumped his ribs a little and grazed his leg with his arm

if you think that's a foul in that situation, you're a pvssy and you're the reason why some people hate the nba

[RazorBaLade]

bump

[Rose]

Like I said, if that was a foul I think there were quite a few other plays that should have been fouls. Especially on Thabo and Lebron.
Totally agreed, but if you're going to call it one way the WHOLE game, call it both. I don't care if it's the last minutes. a game is 48 minutes of basketball. Not 46 of ticky tack shit, and then have 2 minutes of no calls.

[d.bball.guy]

:lol

[gilalizard]

lebron pulls shit like that regularly and it's not called

he gets called for less fouls than any superstar in history

[WesWelkerACL]

didnt affect the shot at all.. durant had a clean look shoulda made it

:biggums:

[juju151111]

Biggest BS ever

[truhooper]

haters are furious :lol

[RazorBaLade]

If it wasnt craw there then it was just a bad call and the refs are incompetent and favor bron like they have favored all other stars and its nothing new

If it really was craw tho.. i have to really think about the current state of the NBA and david stern.

[unbreakable]

durant still had a very clean look... you dont call that foul in that situation because it didnt affect the shot .. he shoulda made it and im surprised he didnt

[kidachi]

haters are furious :lol

Heat won, what do we expect?

[Rose]

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Damn I wish Durant could defend like that.:bowdown:

[BigTicket]

People talk about the league being soft, and this is it right here.

Ever watch videos of the gamewinners that Jordan and Reggie used to make ? They shoved players a hell of a lot harder than this, and noone said a damn word.

[Velocirap31]

The foul wasn't obvious at all. Last seconds of a game, it has to be an obvious foul. It was a weak foul anyway, a decently strong player wouldn't have noticed it.

[RazorBaLade]

The foul wasn't obvious at all. Last seconds of a game, it has to be an obvious foul. It was a weak foul anyway, a decently strong player wouldn't have noticed it.

I disagree, it was blatant

[bmulls]

Do you want clear visual evidence of the charge on Durant too?

You'll probably just ignore that.

[dynasty1978]

Did Lebron foul KD? yes.

Should Durant have made the shot? Also yes.

If OKC would've played like they cared at the start, they wouldn't have been in this situation. Well deserved win for Miami.

[Heavincent]

haters are furious :lol

You're gonna have to come up with something better than that. There's clear, photographic evidence of Durant getting hacked by Lebron.

[hitmanyr2k]

Do you want clear visual evidence of the charge on Durant too?

You'll probably just ignore that.

Actually I've been waiting for someone to post that so you can clearly see Shane Battier still sliding his feet to get under Durant when he's already in the air. Go ahead and post it :oldlol:

[Tenchi Ryu]

People talk about the league being soft, and this is it right here.

Ever watch videos of the gamewinners that Jordan and Reggie used to make ? They shoved players a hell of a lot harder than this, and noone said a damn word.
The reason they complain is cause if we are gonna erase softness, it has to be ERASED for everyone. Wade is INFAMOUS for getting these kinds of calls.

[gilalizard]

it was a stupid a$$ shot because in that situation being down 2 with 12 secs left, the play should have been to drive to the basket to draw a foul or get a better shot or a clear look at a three to win the game.

why the f*ck would he shoot a fade away base line shot?:confusedshrug:


So if we want to criticize someone it should be stupid a$$ Scott Brooks because of not designing a better play with 12 secs left in the game.

agree it was a bad shot

thunder played poorly for much of the game tonight, including that shot

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

People talk about the league being soft, and this is it right here.

Ever watch videos of the gamewinners that Jordan and Reggie used to make ? They shoved players a hell of a lot harder than this, and noone said a damn word.

Thing is, Miami was getting these type of calls ALL game. I don't have a problem with the refs swallowing their whistles, just be consistent. If its a foul in the first qtr, it should be down the stretch as well. Period.

[comerb]

U never played BB u have no clue wat ur talking about

Go back to school kid.

[Deuce Bigalow]

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[comerb]

Thing is, Miami was getting these type of calls ALL game. I don't have a problem with the refs swallowing their whistles, just be consistent. If its a foul in the first qtr, it should be down the stretch as well. Period.

No. No it shouldn't.

You don't call cheesy ass fouls in the last few minutes of the game.

[donald_trump]

if the game was called fairly it wouldn't have been close and heat would have won by 10+.

every time this thunder team is in trouble the refs get the other team into the penalty at the 8-9 minute mark. watching that 3rd quarter was about as thrilling as watching paint dry. refs calling off the ball fouls, and denial fouls on heat players to rack up the free throws for okc.

[LA_Showtime]

I think the bigger question is why LeBron had his head turned when Durant caught the ball. That was horrible defense either way you cut it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No. No it shouldn't.

You don't call cheesy ass fouls in the last few minutes of the game.

Yes, yes it should. Be consistent.

[dude77]

just saw it again on espn .. they could have called that .. but it was a good no call .. he barely grazed him

[Rose]

That wasn't Crawford.

[RazorBaLade]

http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/5358ba5e6e243109adb6ae22ed68814d_large

[dude77]

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:lol that last picture is deceiving .. if you don't look at the actual play, you'd think james shoved him from looking at that picture

[RazorBaLade]

That wasn't Crawford.

Good. NBA is still alive for me.

[hitmanyr2k]

I think the bigger question is why LeBron had his head turned when Durant caught the ball. That was horrible defense either way you cut it.

That's why Lebron had to grab Durant and foul him in the first place. He lost KD on the inbounds pass and wasn't even looking. Then he was like oh shit and grabbed him.

[CelticBaller]

:lol that last picture is deceiving .. if you don't look at the actual play, you'd think james shoved him from looking at that picture
just look at lebrons hand ffs

[Indian guy]

Another MAD Kobe fan :oldlol:

[imdaman99]

i kinda figured unless lebron punched someone in the head and a ref saw it, they were not going to call shit on him with 10 seconds left

[comerb]

Yes, yes it should. Be consistent.

I'm glad the NBA doesn't follow your logic. I don't want to see players shooting freethrows constantly on weak ass fouls at the end of the game.

You are whats wrong with the game today. 10-20 years ago nobody even blinks at that play.

[Ancient Legend]

Yes, it was an offensive foul on Durant on Battier. KD was playing on borrowed time, so all this LeBron foul was nonsense.

[bl2k8]

From what I see that's a foul and it damn sure will
Be called a foul in Miami

[magnax1]

Totally agreed, but if you're going to call it one way the WHOLE game, call it both. I don't care if it's the last minutes. a game is 48 minutes of basketball. Not 46 of ticky tack shit, and then have 2 minutes of no calls.
True enough, but I don't think you can only point to that play like it changed the game then. If that was a foul, Durant maybe should have been given an and 1 on a drive a couple plays before, Thabo should've been called for a couple fouls while guarding lebron because he bodied him up pretty hard, and probably some other stuff I don't remember. There definitely wasn't consistency, but I definitely don't feel like that one play turned the game because of it.

[Indian guy]

I hope the OP wasn't in a coma when Durant committed a clear 6th foul.

[ConanRulesNBC]

No. No it shouldn't.

You don't call cheesy ass fouls in the last few minutes of the game.

That's ****ing stupid. If the refs are going to call it a foul early in the game then it should be called a foul at the end of the game too.

Forget being rigged. I'm not even bringing that up. But this is why so many people hate the NBA because of how bad the officiating is (rigged or not).

[ShannonElements]

OH NO HE'S TOUCHING HIM DEAR GOD

Would have been a "ticky-tack" foul at best.

[LA_Showtime]

That's why Lebron had to grab Durant and foul him in the first place. He lost KD on the inbounds pass and wasn't even looking. Then he was like oh shit and grabbed him.

Durant should have just dunked that shit.

[Cali Syndicate]

didnt affect the shot at all.. durant had a clean look shoulda made it

This.

It's a soft foul that could have easily been an and-1.

But it was still a foul and Durant should've been awarded freethrows.

[Ancient Legend]

If that play had been reversed, and Lebron actually got FTs in such a situation, everyone would be on here winning that they did call the foul.
.

This.

Trying to explain something as simple as this to haters is like trying to teach math to a squirrel. Useless.

[CelticBaller]

OH NO HE'S TOUCHING HIM DEAR GOD

Would have been a "ticky-tack" foul at best.
But its bullshit considering that kind of foul would've gotten called in a heartbeat

[Ketchup]

What happened to letting the players settle it? I always hear that on here.

He choked hard, get over it.

[Magic 32]

I don't think people are mad about soft calls not being called.

They just want consistency.

[Ken_Masters]

That was a foul, and as a fan i feel like i was robbed of either a LeBron game winner, or an epic overtime against two great teams.

[TMT]

Give OKC that foul or take away the worst goaltend I've ever seen earlier in the game and the Thunder probably take it or at least send it to OT.

Dan Crawford now 17-3 in favor of the Heat when reffing their games. Hard to ignore that.

[CelticBaller]

What happened to letting the players settle it? I always hear that on here.

He choked hard, get over it.
the guy that led his team back into the game choked? when he clearly got fouled? :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm glad the NBA doesn't follow your logic. I don't want to see players shooting freethrows constantly on weak ass fouls at the end of the game.

You are whats wrong with the game today. 10-20 years ago nobody even blinks at that play.

Of course they don't. Miami would be down 2-0 if the game was called fair.

Anyway, you'd have a point if Lebron didn't get half of his FT's off 'weak ass fouls'. Clown. :oldlol:

[Positive]

Definitely a foul. But no official is ever going to call that in the waning seconds. Just the name of the game.
I don't know how people don't see this, this is 100% true. It's definitely a foul but in that part of the game it will never get called.

[gilalizard]

The reason they complain is cause if we are gonna erase softness, it has to be ERASED for everyone. Wade is INFAMOUS for getting these kinds of calls.

:applause:

LeBron as well. He gets called for less fouls than any superstar. As far as favoritism goes, he is in a class of his own.

If the roles had been reversed, and Durant had fouled LeBron like that, Heat stans would of been squealing like Ned Beatty in Deliverance.

[Cali Syndicate]

it was a stupid a$$ shot because in that situation being down 2 with 12 secs left, the play should have been to drive to the basket to draw a foul or get a better shot or a clear look at a three to win the game.

why the f*ck would he shoot a fade away base line shot?:confusedshrug:


So if we want to criticize someone it should be stupid a$$ Scott Brooks because of not designing a better play with 12 secs left in the game.

He was like 2 feet off the block. That's a shot Durant can easily make. And he should have.

[CelticBaller]

It was a bad shot, but they gamble their chances knowing that the heat where running out of gas

[Indian guy]

OP's a dumbass. Who gives a sh!t if it was a foul? He had no businesses being on the court. Should've been fouled out ages ago.

[Rose]

True enough, but I don't think you can only point to that play like it changed the game then. If that was a foul, Durant maybe should have been given an and 1 on a drive a couple plays before, Thabo should've been called for a couple fouls while guarding lebron because he bodied him up pretty hard, and probably some other stuff I don't remember. There definitely wasn't consistency, but I definitely don't feel like that one play turned the game because of it.
If I'm gonna whine over the biggest call, in the game. I'm whining over the double block in the second quarter when the thunder were on a 5-0 run. Had Ibaka, Russy and Sefo on Wade on the fastbreak when that was called. THAT WAS HUUUUGE. Then Miami pushed it on a 7-0 run to 17. IMO that swung the game. To me that was the key because it's hard to come back from 17 down with your best player in foul trouble and your second best, almost having to be on the bench as well.

[JustinJDW]

Weak foul, especially with seconds to play. Durant got a wide open look and he blew it. Have no problem with Durant not getting bailed out with that soft crap.

[G-train]

Durant has a habit, thats mostly effective, where if he is dribbling or in triple threat and he gets any contact he shoots it, resulting in a foul.
Pretty iffy as to whether you get that call under 10 secs.

[montaownedu]

If you took the same amount of contact Durant did on that last shot, would you make that call in a pick up game? If you say yes, you're a p*ssy.

[inclinerator]

depends, u cant tell how hard durant got hit, only durant knows

[Velocirap31]

No one will say yes, or they don't play pick up ball. No one would play with someone who complained after contact like that.

[kurt_rambis]

:applause:

LeBron as well. He gets called for less fouls than any superstar. As far as favoritism goes, he is in a class of his own.

If the roles had been reversed, and Durant had fouled LeBron like that, Heat stans would of been squealing like Ned Beatty in Deliverance.
you could flip the situation in another way too

all you have to ask yourself is if lebron takes that kind of soft contact and a foul isn't called, is anyone other than heat fans up in arms about the no-call? is anyone other than heat fans willing to say it was a foul? of course they're not

[unbreakable]

yea you cant call that in pickup... thats how fights start

[LAClipsFan33]

No one will say yes, or they don't play pick up ball. No one would play with someone who complained after contact like that.

True...Everybody hates that fakkit that calls NBA ticky tacks in a pick up game

[Wally450]

Depends on the people your playing with

[LA_Showtime]

If I'm gonna whine over the biggest call, in the game. I'm whining over the double block in the second quarter when the thunder were on a 5-0 run. Had Ibaka, Russy and Sefo on Wade on the fastbreak when that was called. THAT WAS HUUUUGE. Then Miami pushed it on a 7-0 run to 17. IMO that swung the game. To me that was the key because it's hard to come back from 17 down with your best player in foul trouble and your second best, almost having to be on the bench as well.

It really was a momentum changer. The ref who called that owes everyone an explanation for that one. It was obviously blocked prior to that so I'm not sure what he was thinking. One game ref suspension?

[Dwade305]

F*ck no that is not even called in a Rec league, he was fading away in possibly the last shot of the game. If he goes straight up, than yes, but dont be a softie and fadeaway likce VC

[EnoughSaid]

Are you ****ing serious right now? If you call that in a pickup game, then no one would get to dribble the ball without a foul being called. That's a ***** foul, and that's the bottom line.

[Meticode]

Get over it guys. It's done, OKC lost. They shouldn't of spotted the Heat 15+ points in the game. End of story. I don't want to the Heat to win, but f*ck...let it go.

[Screamingdoom]

Nah, it was a foul but I don't reckon it was enough to stop him from making the shot.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Another MAD Kobe fan :oldlol:
you see, thats why you are a pathetic poster. thats all you add....

[sportsfan76]

Fade away shots are always "poor percentage" shots with 12 secs left

[magnax1]

If I'm gonna whine over the biggest call, in the game. I'm whining over the double block in the second quarter when the thunder were on a 5-0 run. Had Ibaka, Russy and Sefo on Wade on the fastbreak when that was called. THAT WAS HUUUUGE. Then Miami pushed it on a 7-0 run to 17. IMO that swung the game. To me that was the key because it's hard to come back from 17 down with your best player in foul trouble and your second best, almost having to be on the bench as well.
I've been trying to find the rule on that for a while, but I'm still not 100% sure what it is. I'm guessing that was the right call since it still was on it's way up, but I don't really have a clue. I do agree that swung the game though.

[gilalizard]

LBJ is now 14-3 when Dan Crawford is refereeing! :bowdown:

GOAT WORTHY STAT

wait... that's not right...

[Kobe 4 The Win]

The NBA Finals ain't a pick up game.

[pegasus]

If I was playing against a guy (Lebron) who calls everything a foul when he has the ball on the other end, yes, I would.

Wade was awarded with two free throws in a similar play in the first half or the third quarter when there was literally no contact. I think it was on Sefo.

[gilalizard]

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Damn I wish Durant could defend like that.:bowdown:

lol

you mean "allowed" to defend like that

[Kblaze8855]

Im fouling harder than that on players who are stationary....on a pretty regular basis.

But you cant apply that to the NBA.

Though id like it if they did. contact shouldnt be a foul at nearly the rate it is.

[LA_Showtime]

I've been trying to find the rule on that for a while, but I'm still not 100% sure what it is. I'm guessing that was the right call since it still was on it's way up, but I don't really have a clue. I do agree that swung the game though.

There is no way that was the right call. The ball was on its way down. There was no chance of that going in the hoop. Imagine if Ibaka swatted a shot that bounced off the backboard and Durant took it and volley tapped it to Westbrook. Would that be a violation? No.

[Rose]

I've been trying to find the rule on that for a while, but I'm still not 100% sure what it is. I'm guessing that was the right call since it still was on it's way up, but I don't really have a clue. I do agree that swung the game though.
To me it's a wtf? because Durant blocked it, that means it's a "loose ball". Then Ibaka blocked it. That means it's a nothing! Or that's how I view it anyways.:lol

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

It depends on where you are playing.
In NY, you can't call it...so everyone is a hack there and its ugly bball.
In LA, everyone calls it, so they argue all the time and make silly calls.

[The Macho Man]

Damn, you guys play in some physical pick up games. I'd call that on myself like "yo, I fouled the shit outta him"

[magnax1]

There is no way that was the right call. The ball was on its way down. There was no chance of that going in the hoop. Imagine if Ibaka swatted a shot that bounced off the backboard and Durant took it and volley tapped it to Westbrook. Would that be a violation? No.
Yeah, I rewatched it and I think you're right.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Lol at people comparing misc fouls earlier in the game to Lebron hacking KD on a shot in the final seconds.

I don't care though. F**k OKC.

[magnax1]

To me it's a wtf? because Durant blocked it, that means it's a "loose ball". Then Ibaka blocked it. That means it's a nothing! Or that's how I view it anyways.:lol
Yeah, but he blocked it after it touched the backboard, which is an automatic goaltending. Is the rule that it's no longer goaltending because it was tipped beforehand? I think you're right, but I want to see the rule.

[RaininTwos]

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[kentatm]

Whatever. Chalmers was getting murdered out there over and over and never got any calls. There are tons of hacks and flops that OKC is always getting away with.

Hell, aside from the Heat, the Thunder probably get more bs favors from the refs than any other team in the league right now.

So too bad so sad. OKC just got a taste of their own medicine.

[Kews1]

LBJ is now 14-3 when Dan Crawford is refereeing! :bowdown:

thats not even the right fact. Its the the D-wade era not Lebron.

[PJR]

Durant should have never been in the game in the first place. He got his 6th foul on that no charge call.

[kentatm]

Durant should have never been in the game in the first place. He got his 6th foul on that no charge call.

Truth

[Tenchi Ryu]

Durant should have never been in the game in the first place. He got his 6th foul on that no charge call.
Battier's feet weren't set, JVG even stated this.

[NumberSix]

Battier's feet weren't set, JVG even stated this.
Even IF that were true, that doesn't allow Durant to jump in with his knee into his chest. It's an offensive foul either way.

[Solid Snake]

Let me take my 270 pound frame foul you in your chest, wrap your arm, oh and while your fading hit your thigh. OH and then when your teammate is rebounding let me hit him too, k thanx bai.

Why you asking permission.

[EnoughSaid]

There were fouls called both ways this game that were questionable. At the end of the day, Miami was the better team and got the deserved win. Both teams need to make 2 huge adjustments though. OKC needs to start games with MUCH better effort, and Miami needs to finish games off with MUCH better effort and more ball movement.

[nba_55]

Battier's feet weren't set, JVG even stated this.

then, why he 'said ball dont lie' after durant missed his first ft

[Batz]

Didn't watch the game, but I saw the play. Not a foul from what I see.

[IGotACoolStory]

Battier moved into Durant after his elevation and wasn't set. Should have been a no call, not a charge, nor a foul on Battier.

[KG215]

People saying Durant should've fouled out on a charge need to watch the replay a few more times. Battier was clearly shuffling his feet and slid into position and under Durant at the last second. He wasn't set by any stretch of the imagination. The no-call on LeBron was a terrible missed call. It wasn't some ticky-tack no-call.

But I'm not blaming this game on the refs. We can't fall behind 25-8. We've played with fire way too many times in the playoffs this year, digging early leads, or falling behind 8-10 points in the fourth, and have always found a way to comeback and win. Had to know we'd lose a game like that eventually Sad thing is, we still had the ball down two with 30 seconds to go and, if it wasn't for a controversial no-call, might have been able to force OT where I think we win.

But this loss is on the players for coming out so sluggish, not making shots, and Durant getting in foul trouble. He got his second foul five or so minutes to go in the first quarter, had to go to the bench, and didn't come back in until there was about nine minutes left in the second quarter. He was very hesitant (too passive in my opinion at times) on defense and never got in a rhythm on offense until the fourth quarter.

[Fiasco]

Battier moved into Durant after his elevation and wasn't set. Should have been a no call, not a charge, nor a foul on Battier.

this is correct

[EricGordon23]

That would be a weak call to get for the game winning shot. Ive seen durant make way tougher shots. He missed a makeable shot get over it.

[Replay32]

It depends on where you are playing.
In NY, you can't call it...so everyone is a hack there and its ugly bball.
In LA, everyone calls it, so they argue all the time and make silly calls.

:facepalm

That's a no call at the end of the game period. And not a foul in pick up. Durant should of made the shot and he usually makes those. Contact or not. Just like Durant said himself... "I just missed the shot".

I can understand if Bron wacked his shooting arm.

If the refs called a foul on any player in that situation it would of been weak.

[chips93]

Battier's feet weren't set, JVG even stated this.

you just have to establish position, you dont have to have your feet set

[NumberSix]

you just have to establish position, you dont have to have your feet set
This is something people just don't understand for some reason. It's not that complicated. If someone's feet are moving, that doesn't give you free rein to barrel into him and knock him over and say "What? His feet were moving".

[General]

OKC had only scored 2 points halfway through the first quarter, Durant played like a poor mans Rashard Lewis in the first half:confusedshrug: The refs can't be blamed for everything.

[hitmanyr2k]

This is something people just don't understand for some reason. It's not that complicated. If someone's feet are moving, that doesn't give you free rein to barrel into him and knock him over and say "What? His feet were moving".

And I think some people clearly too stupid to understand that just because a defender tries to slide under a player who's already in the air doesn't mean it's a charge.

[KG215]

OKC had only scored 2 points halfway through the first quarter, Durant played like a poor mans Rashard Lewis in the first half:confusedshrug: The refs can't be blamed for everything.

Durant missed some makeable wide-open shots in the first quarter then sat out the last half of the first quarter with two fouls. That's playing like a poor man's Rashard Lewis? He went 3/9 in the first half and still finished with 32 on 12/22 shooting.

[bluechox2]

dan crawford called a 14-3 (now 15-3) record for the heat since dwade joined the heat

[KG215]

And I think some people clearly too stupid to understand that just because a defender tries to slide under a player who's already in the air doesn't mean it's a charge.

This. Make it a no-call, that's fine, but it wasn't a charge. Durant was already in the air when Battier slid under him to attempt to draw the charge.

[Replay32]

This. Make it a no-call, that's fine, but it wasn't a charge. Durant was already in the air when Battier slid under him to attempt to draw the charge.

I totally agree. The refs call too many charges. Just let them play. I'm not saying don't ever call any, but today's refs feel they have to call every single one. It's sad.

[General]

Durant missed some makeable wide-open shots in the first quarter then sat out the last half of the first quarter with two fouls.
Should have been more aggressive and not let his team go down 18-2 at home.

[gilalizard]

Truth:

With a fairly called game, Miami is blown out badly in game 1.

With a fairly called game, game 2 is tight until late in the 4th and then OKC opens up a solid lead.

Miami's mental weakness NEEDS ref help. It's who they are.

Even when playing poorly, while battling ref favoritism for Miami, OKC came back and made it a winnable game (until two ignored fouls by Miami in the waning seconds, plus that laughable goal-tending call against OKC earlier).

[RaininTwos]

Truth:

With a fairly called game, Miami is blown out badly in game 1.

With a fairly called game, game 2 is tight until late in the 4th and then OKC opens up a solid lead.

Miami's mental weakness NEEDS ref help. It's who they are.

Even when playing poorly, while battling ref favoritism for Miami, OKC came back and made it a winnable game (until two ignored fouls by Miami in the waning seconds, plus that laughable goal-tending call against OKC earlier).
quoted so other people can see how pathetic you are

[chazzy]

It was a foul. Can't really expect a whistle blown in that situation, especially when the play involves two superstars

[HEAT111]

Yeah it was a foul but let's not act that Durant should've stayed on the court for the remainder of the game.

[chazzy]

Yeah it was a foul but let's not act that Durant should've stayed on the court for the remainder of the game.
That wasn't really a blatant charge. Battier's left foot was still sliding over while Durant was in his shooting motion in the air.

[ballup]

You do see Lebron swipe at him, but it's hard to see him hit Durant's arm in real time. That part was definitely a foul.

[bdreason]

I'd rather discuss the obvious charge that should have fouled Durant out of the game.


You aren't going to get bailed out with a little contact on a final shot in the NBA Finals. No real fan should want that.

[LBJMVP]

I'd rather discuss the obvious charge that should have fouled Durant out of the game.


You aren't going to get bailed out with a little contact on a final shot in the NBA Finals. No real fan should want that.


that wasnt a foul

battier was still moving when durant was in the air.

[DirtySanchez]

With all the soft ass fouls going both ways tonight? Its a foul. Its a foul based on the calls before it.

It was.... But u know what thunder need to play with a sense of urgency from the get. That's the problem.

[DirtySanchez]

OKC had only scored 2 points halfway through the first quarter, Durant played like a poor mans Rashard Lewis in the first half:confusedshrug: The refs can't be blamed for everything.
This

[NumberSix]

that wasnt a foul

battier was still moving when durant was in the air.
You're seeing what you want to see. If the exact situation was reversed you would say "of course it was a charge. LeBron should have fouled out". Seriously, be honest. You know you would.

[Love_The_Hate]

Another thread full of a bunch of heat hater hanging on Labrons sack if you ask me. Clearly OKC is the favorite but again whats new? Everyone hates LBJ no mater the situation. How many times does LBJ get fouled and gets a no call? I am going to state two facts why you guys are angry.

1) Game 2 is a Miami win and the series is tied.
2) Now Miami has Home Court.

Look LBJ plays phenomenal on the nightly basis, name me someone else that has a 30+PPG 7+RPG and 4+APG and gets bashed? Then people also rant because KD isn't MVP? LMAO! Anyway that last shot was just a missed shot by him. If not look at the post game conference and you will see he said so himself . 3 time scoring champs don't make excuses they execute. :cheers:

[Myth]

I think Durant would have gotten completely by LeBron if LeBron didn't hold him back with his arm. There seemed to be more pressure during the drive than during the shot. Call that as a foul before the shot.

[Draz]

Looked like a foul on one angle. Could of altered his shot by dragging his arm and yanking it. Obviously okc dug themselves into a hole being 18-2 first qt.

[FPJ]

I cant remember the last time the Heat won without refs. Come to think of it, if it werent for Stern and the refs, the Heat wouldnt win a single game. Bobcats > Heat.

James aint clutch, has no jumpshot, makes his teammates miss shots, is bald, is a crybaby, his stats are empty and so on.

Wade is done, should trade him for j crawford.

Bosh is Green Lantern.

This board is a joke. If i remember right, there were some experts who said the refs won the Heat the Knicks series.

[Love_The_Hate]

I cant remember the last time the Heat won without refs. Come to think of it, if it werent for Stern and the refs, the Heat wouldnt win a single game. Bobcats > Heat.

James aint clutch, has no jumpshot, makes his teammates miss shots, is bald, is a crybaby, his stats are empty and so on.

Wade is done, should trade him for j crawford.

Bosh is Green Lantern.

This board is a joke. If i remember right, there were some experts who said the refs won the Heat the Knicks series.

Probably your Team is sitting at home with a bunch of scrubs on the roster and your mad LMAO!

[RazorBaLade]

wheres the charge vid?

[Ai2death]

I finally saw a replay of this so called no-call foul everybody has been whining about. I was expecting some malicious hack by lebron....

And OMG I have lost a lot of respect for OKC and their fans, what whinging cry babies. What a ****in disgrace that you want to complain about that. Yeah lebron may have touched him. But clearly Durant rose through and had probably one of the easiest shots of his career. An uncontested 4 footer. C'mon ppl. Fark :facepalm

[Ai2death]

I cant remember the last time the Heat won without refs. Come to think of it, if it werent for Stern and the refs, the Heat wouldnt win a single game. Bobcats > Heat.

James aint clutch, has no jumpshot, makes his teammates miss shots, is bald, is a crybaby, his stats are empty and so on.

Wade is done, should trade him for j crawford.

Bosh is Green Lantern.

This board is a joke. If i remember right, there were some experts who said the refs won the Heat the Knicks series.

Funny... I don't remember you playing in the NBA?

[2swift4u]

I think it was a foul, but first of all it was very very hard to see in real time (I didn't see it) and secondly the refs often avoid to make calls in the last few seconds when it gets hectic under the rim (because there would probably be 10 fouls at the same time on the court) Allthough it's inconsistent I kinda like that.. because like that players have to make the shot rather than getting free-throws.

[Lebron23]

I finally saw a replay of this so called no-call foul everybody has been whining about. I was expecting some malicious hack by lebron....

And OMG I have lost a lot of respect for OKC and their fans, what whinging cry babies. What a ****in disgrace that you want to complain about that. Yeah lebron may have touched him. But clearly Durant rose through and had probably one of the easiest shots of his career. An uncontested 4 footer. C'mon ppl. Fark :facepalm


Miami will destroy the OKC Thunder in their own front court. I love to see a very physical Game 3. It sucks that LeBron committed 4 fouls in Game 2. He will limit KD's productions in the next game.

[Lebron23]

Funny... I don't remember you playing in the NBA?


He sucks at basketball. In tagalog bano, banban, may nana ang kamay, and walang galing.

[Ai2death]

He sucks at basketball. In tagalog bano, banban, may nana ang kamay, and walang galing.

Lol

I'd get my misses to translate, but she's visian :oldlol:

[bagelred]

Unncessary title change.

[Sakkreth]

That was good D.

[Nick Young]

Bill Simmons:

"Terrible no-call. Just terrible. I feel dirty."

Only guy on the ESPN twitter thing who said something about the foul had the courage t o say this:

"Haven't seen replay of Durant shot. But there were 50/50 calls thru 4Q, Durant came close to 6th foul. Can't rely on a call to decide game."

Haven't seen the replay? They showed several times. :facepalm
ESPN in protect lebron mode, typical

[MiseryCityTexas]

Lol What about that bullshit goaltend call on the thunder.:biggums:

[wagexslave]

I thought the refs were horrible on both sides of the court. What about Durant's charge on Battier that they called a blocking foul? That was just as bullsh*t of a call. The reason the Thunder lost is because they dug themself in too deep of a hole during the first half of the game, not just because of some ticky tacky no-call foul at the end of the game. 20 years ago that wouldn't have even been considered a foul.

Lebron barely even altered Durant's drive. He still had plenty of a chance to make the layup even with that weak ass "foul" on him. And he missed it. He blew his chance. Can't always blame a loss on the refs, guys. The Thunder waited until there was like 10 minutes left in the game to stop playing like crap. They should've played with that same intensity they played with in the 4th quarter for the first 3 quarters and they would've blown the Heat out.

I wish the NBA would go back to the days where they barely EVER call these stupid little "fouls", and you have to be rougher and actually affect your opponent's shot more for it to be considered a foul. That way it would take this whole "blaming the refs after a loss" thing out of the game, because the refs wouldn't be nearly as much of a factor.

Aren't games more entertaining when the players are more physical with each other and all over each other anyways? So why complain? These NBA guys are all mostly like 6'5"+ athletic beasts that work out and practice hard. A hand barely touching one of these guys on the shoulder or just barely tapping against against their bicep (or something else along those lines) shouldn't be called a foul.. These NBA players should be powerful enough that barely getting tapped against by someone's hand shouldn't make a difference in their shot. The players these days are just a bunch of p*ssies that have grown up with this new school rules system and can't handle the physical play and want every shot to be as easy for them as possible. Calling ticky tacky fouls like that is just bailing out someone when they miss most of the time.

Also, making foul calls less ticky tacky would take flopping out of the game too, which would be AMAZING.

[TheOne]

If the shot went in, it would have been an AND1. But it didn't so ...:no:

[Jyap9675]

As much as I want miami to lose, I am a huge believer that strong teams win the game regardless of referee's mistakes. The first quarter cost OKC the game, and it was hard to come back from that.

[tommy3]

That contact was extremely slight, even though it was a foul, it didn't impact the shot AT ALL.

[Darius]

It's not a foul in the closing minute of the game.

That's man time... everyone knows it.

Hate the game being decided by refs.

[Dolphin]

Bill Simmons spends too much time going to games with his kids. I swear it seems his age regresses every time the Heat win.

Eventually his twitter feeds after a Heat win will read "GOOGOOGAGA!!!!" :roll:

[tmacattack33]

LOL at someone throwing a Bill Simmons quote in here as though it actually means something.

That guy is a Celtics homer and hates Miami.

I might as well quote some stuff that Dan Lebetard said (he's the main guy on Miami's sports talk radio station).

[Droid101]

Miami will destroy the OKC Thunder in their own front court.
Bookmarked.

[bagelred]

It's not a foul in the closing minute of the game.

That's man time... everyone knows it.

Hate the game being decided by refs.

This is a dumb cliche. So Lebron could hack the sh-t out of Durant and they shouldn't call it?

It was a foul. It wasn't a ticky tack foul. It was a regular foul that caused Durant to miss the shot. It should have been called. But it wasn't. That's the way it goes.

[Darius]

This is a dumb cliche. So Lebron could hack the sh-t out of Durant and they shouldn't call it?

It was a foul. It wasn't a ticky tack foul. It was a regular foul that caused Durant to miss the shot. It should have been called. But it wasn't. That's the way it goes.

ISH, the land of straw man arguments.

Clearly, something that extreme should be called.

Minor contact (like that foul) however, should not be called.

Things get more intense and physical at the end of games and the refs should adjust their calls.

Games decided by free throws on minor fouls are less exciting to watch.

[poido123]

:facepalm
ISH, the land of straw man arguments.

Clearly, something that extreme should be called.

Minor contact (like that foul) however, should not be called.

Things get more intense and physical at the end of games and the refs should adjust their calls.

Games decided by free throws on minor fouls are less exciting to watch.

Spoken like a true homer, it was a foul and should of been called, but it wasnt. the magnitude of the situation, and the other bad reffing i saw in that game it doesnt surprise me. there was another on a wade drive, replays show no contact, but was called a foul. Plus the Ibaka block called a goal tend, and the battier charge that would of fouled out durant.

Like I cant believe there are still people who refuse to see what is actually there, they let there homerism get in the way of the truth. :facepalm

[The_LA_Blakers]

I thought the refs were horrible on both sides of the court. What about Durant's charge on Battier that they called a blocking foul? That was just as bullsh*t of a call. The reason the Thunder lost is because they dug themself in too deep of a hole during the first half of the game, not just because of some ticky tacky no-call foul at the end of the game. 20 years ago that wouldn't have even been considered a foul.

Lebron barely even altered Durant's drive. He still had plenty of a chance to make the layup even with that weak ass "foul" on him. And he missed it. He blew his chance. Can't always blame a loss on the refs, guys. The Thunder waited until there was like 10 minutes left in the game to stop playing like crap. They should've played with that same intensity they played with in the 4th quarter for the first 3 quarters and they would've blown the Heat out.

I wish the NBA would go back to the days where they barely EVER call these stupid little "fouls", and you have to be rougher and actually affect your opponent's shot more for it to be considered a foul. That way it would take this whole "blaming the refs after a loss" thing out of the game, because the refs wouldn't be nearly as much of a factor.

Aren't games more entertaining when the players are more physical with each other and all over each other anyways? So why complain? These NBA guys are all mostly like 6'5"+ athletic beasts that work out and practice hard. A hand barely touching one of these guys on the shoulder or just barely tapping against against their bicep (or something else along those lines) shouldn't be called a foul.. These NBA players should be powerful enough that barely getting tapped against by someone's hand shouldn't make a difference in their shot. The players these days are just a bunch of p*ssies that have grown up with this new school rules system and can't handle the physical play and want every shot to be as easy for them as possible. Calling ticky tacky fouls like that is just bailing out someone when they miss most of the time.

Also, making foul calls less ticky tacky would take flopping out of the game too, which would be AMAZING.


Exactly, the replay showed him in a perfect spot!

[cltcfn2924]

It wasnt soft. He fouled him twice then fouled Westbrook

Correct. And he also somehow got to the free throw line???????

[LBJMVP]

Exactly, the replay showed him in a perfect spot!


no it didnt. it showed battier still moving when durant was in the air, by rule that is a blocking foul.

lebron foul durant on his shot, and westbrook was a bout to tip it in and lebron whacks his arm two, and then travels after he grabs the rebound.

[Chrono90]

I don't think people are mad about soft calls not being called.

They just want consistency.

This guy said it. It's consistency.
They would def call a foul for Wade or James if it was the other way around.

This league is making it way too obvious when they try to help a team win a game.

[Son_of_Prince]

lol lebron needs to rely on biased reffing to win

[OKCThunderUP]

Exactly, the replay showed him in a perfect spot!

Uhhhh nope. Battier's feet were still moving while KD was in the air. That's a blocking foul.

[tmacattack33]

no it didnt. it showed battier still moving when durant was in the air, by rule that is a blocking foul.

lebron foul durant on his shot, and westbrook was a bout to tip it in and lebron whacks his arm two, and then travels after he grabs the rebound.

No. Just because the defender is not perfectly still does not mean the offensive player can bull doze into him.

[CLE[216]]

The NBA is gift wrapping the title for LeBron.


LeBron's face if he was fouled like that at the end of a home game = :lebroncry:

[chazzy]

No. Just because the defender is not perfectly still does not mean the offensive player can bull doze into him.
Can't slide over in front while a player is already in his shooting/leaping motion though. It's different from when you're already defending a player and you get bulled over

[OKCThunderUP]

No. Just because the defender is not perfectly still does not mean the offensive player can bull doze into him.

Right, but you can't slide under a guy who's already gathered or in the air either. And that's exactly what Battier did.

[ChandlerParsons]

OKC lost because they dug themselves a hole

[Darius]

:facepalm

Spoken like a true homer, it was a foul and should of been called, but it wasnt. the magnitude of the situation, and the other bad reffing i saw in that game it doesnt surprise me. there was another on a wade drive, replays show no contact, but was called a foul. Plus the Ibaka block called a goal tend, and the battier charge that would of fouled out durant.

Like I cant believe there are still people who refuse to see what is actually there, they let there homerism get in the way of the truth. :facepalm

lmao - sounds like someone is getting a little to into it. :oldlol:

Fan of the game - don't care which teams wins. :coleman:

[Mach_3]

This is a dumb cliche. So Lebron could hack the sh-t out of Durant and they shouldn't call it?

It was a foul. It wasn't a ticky tack foul. It was a regular foul that caused Durant to miss the shot. It should have been called. But it wasn't. That's the way it goes.

:lol :lol
that "foul" did NOT cause Durant to miss a WIDE OPEN 6 foot jumper falling away or not. Durant had a clean look at the basket and just missed

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

:lol :lol
that "foul" did NOT cause Durant to miss a WIDE OPEN 6 foot jumper falling away or not. Durant had a clean look at the basket and just missed
rules are rules....and that should have been a foul called, obviously.