Lets Be Real, Lebron is Already a Top 10 Player

[SilkkTheShocker]

1 ring and he moves up a few more spots. 2 Rings and he is in the top 5.

[StateOfMind12]

If Lebron wins a ring this season and he continues to play the Finals he currently has, I would probably put him above Kobe to be honest. I don't think two rings would necessarily or automatically make him top 5 though. It would depend on how he plays but I doubt it.

It's funny though. After Game 1, Durant was getting GOAT/Top 5 of all-time talks. After Game 2, LeBron is now getting the GOAT/Top 5 of all-time talks.

[Foster5k]

If he wins a ring and get's final's MVP, no question.

[blablabla]

if he wins a ring and fmvp he's in my top 15

[Deuce Bigalow]

if he wins a ring and fmvp he's in my top 15
this

[GOBB]

Magic Johnson called Lebron a top 10 player of all time already. No shocker silk the shocker :eek: made this topic as if he created it. Such a creative thread.

[CavaliersFTW]

Top 15 if he wins a ring as FMVP. Still only the lowest end of top 20 without a ring.

sorry bro

[Indian guy]

If he wins it all this season, I think he'll enter the Top 10 by knocking Kobe out.

Just kidding.

[DonDadda59]

What? :wtf:

So where do you people rank Moses Malone? :confusedshrug:

Hell, where would you rank his teammate Wade who would be sitting on 2 championships? I think people need to get some perspective here.

[arifgokcen]

If Lebron wins a ring this season and he continues to play the Finals he currently has, I would probably put him above Kobe to be honest. I don't think two rings would necessarily or automatically make him top 5 though. It would depend on how he plays but I doubt it.

It's funny though. After Game 1, Durant was getting GOAT/Top 5 of all-time talks. After Game 2, LeBron is now getting the GOAT/Top 5 of all-time talks.

+1

StateOfMind12 i dont understand but recently i always find myself agreeing with everything you said :D :D :D

[NumberSix]

If you wanna talk about the stupid "legacy" thing, then no, he's not.

If you're talking best player, he's easily top 5.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Magic Johnson called Lebron a top 10 player of all time already. No shocker silk the shocker :eek: made this topic as if he created it. Such a creative thread.

I don't have time to have 50,000 posts and keep up with everything Magic Johnson says. Get a life, fatass :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

If you wanna talk about the stupid "legacy" thing, then no, he's not.

If you're talking best player, he's easily top 5.
Yep, top 5 player being outscored by a bench player and his teammate dinosaur in his prime in an NBA Finals series, then being outscored by Tony Parker in an another Finals series.
3 straight loses with HCA. Dude is dominant. Easily Top 5 :bowdown:

[creepingdeath]

Let's be real, OP is a f@g.
http://i.imgur.com/hmnEK.gif

[Mr Exlax]

The thing I don't understand is why people think because a player wins a ring, his skill level increases. Somebody explain that to me. A ring is not won by a single player, but it is won by the team. Dirk got 1 and honestly I didn't see him get better this past season. Once he got it did it automatically add something to his game? Maybe i missed it.

[Scholar]

OP is the equivalent of a man getting down on his knees to suck the dick of another man.

[Mr Exlax]

If OKC loses the series, does Kevin Durant's skill level go down? Is he then back to being not as good as Scottie Pippen or whatever the thread was? Somebody help me out.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Another Lebron thread....from the OP.

Hey bro, Lebron doesn't need your validation. Hop off his nutz. :oldlol:

[Rnbizzle]

If you wanna talk about the stupid "legacy" thing, then no, he's not.

If you're talking best player, he's easily top 5.
This is true.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Another Lebron thread....from the OP.

Hey bro, Lebron doesn't need your validation. Hop off his nutz. :oldlol:


you reply to every thread I make :oldlol:

Practice what you preach and jump of my nuts first, clown :oldlol:

[Micku]

The thing I don't understand is why people think because a player wins a ring, his skill level increases. Somebody explain that to me. A ring is not won by a single player, but it is won by the team. Dirk got 1 and honestly I didn't see him get better this past season. Once he got it did it automatically add something to his game? Maybe i missed it.

It's the biggest accomplishment of all. All the greats did win rings. Sometimes it is unfair to judge individual success based on team concepts. It's better to judge what the player can contribute to the team.

And if you look at LeBron last year in the Finals, that could be the worst performance out of a top 10 player in their prime. I think that would always roam over his head a bit, but still a great player and could continue on being great.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

you reply to every thread I make :oldlol:

Practice what you preach and jump of my nuts first, clown :oldlol:

I know you'll read my posts and take it to heart (or up the ass, in your case :oldlol: ). Truth hurts, huh?

[chazzy]

If you're talking best player, he's easily top 5.
NumberSix

[Kblaze8855]

Legacy wise...if he wins a ring...hes pretty much whatever you thik Moses Malone is now isnt he? 3 mvps a title a finals MVP and an extra finals appearance with crazy numbers all along the way.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I know you'll read my posts and take it to heart (or up the ass, in your case :oldlol: ). Truth hurts, huh?


I repond to everyone, aside from the homosexual that was talking about d1cks at the top of the page. Don't feel so special. I know you are craving for attention since both your dads ignored you as a kid

[Da KO King]

The thing I don't understand is why people think because a player wins a ring, his skill level increases. Somebody explain that to me. A ring is not won by a single player, but it is won by the team. Dirk got 1 and honestly I didn't see him get better this past season. Once he got it did it automatically add something to his game? Maybe i missed it.
:applause:

[Mach_3]

Already top 10?

Pass that SH!T OP

[SilkkTheShocker]

Top 15 if he wins a ring as FMVP. Still only the lowest end of top 20 without a ring.

sorry bro


Its ok.:oldlol: :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I repond to everyone, aside from the homosexual that was talking about d1cks at the top special. Don't feel so special. I know you are craving for attention since both your dads ignored you as a kid

Well, now we know what happened to you as a kid. :oldlol: Is Bronzy like the big brother you never had or something? That's the only possible explanation of your creepy obsession with "the king". :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

From another poster:

kids these days. :facepalm
He needs TWO rings and 4-5 more years of superstar longevity to sniff these guys.

jordan - 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 5 mvps etc etc
kareem - 6 rings, 2 finals mvps, 6 mvps etc etc
magic - 5 rings, 3 finals mvps, 3 mvps etc etc
russell - 11 rings, 5x mvp, 12x all star, 11x all nba etc etc
wilt - 2 rings, 1x finals mvp, 4 mvps, 13x all star, 10x all nba, 2x all d etc etc
kobe - 5 rings, 2 finals mvps, 1 mvp, 14x all star, 14x all nba, 12x all d, 2x scoring champ
duncan - 4 rings, 3 finals mvps, 2 mvps, 13x all star, 13x all nba, 13x all d
shaq - 4 rings, 3 finals mvps, 1 mvp, 15x all star, 14x all nba, 3x all d, 2x scoring champ
bird - 3 rings, 2 finals mvps, 3 mvps, 12x all star, 10x all nba, 3x all d
hakeem - 2 rings, 2 finals mvps, 1 mvp, 12x all star, 12x all nba, 9x all d, 2x DPOY

[Math2]

1 ring and he moves up a few more spots. 2 Rings and he is in the top 5.


Let's be real, OP is a moron

One more LeBron cocksuck and he moves up a few more spots on the LeBron fanboy list! 500 cocksucks and he is top 5

[Heavincent]

He needs two FMVP's to get into my top 10.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Well, now we know what happened to you as a kid. :oldlol: Is Bronzy like the big brother you never had or something? That's the only possible explanation for your creepy obsession with "the king". :oldlol:

You sound pretty suspect giving grown men nicknames like "Bronzy" :oldlol:

[Da KO King]

Does anyone not see the humor in the fact that the Deuce/Yawn argument against is basically "I think these nine guys are better than LeBron, so he isn't top 10" :confusedshrug:

If they are it still allows LeBron to be in the top 10.



EDIT: nice job adding a tenth after the fact. The fact you had to do that says a lot

[Deuce Bigalow]

Does anyone not see the humor in the fact that the Deuce/Yawn argument against is basically "I think these nine guys are better than LeBron, so he isn't top 10" :confusedshrug:

If they are it still allows LeBron to be in the top 10.



EDIT: nice job adding a tenth after the fact. The fact you had to do that says a lot
There was always 10 listed. I just deleted an extra space. :lol

here's the original post http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7432949&postcount=53

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You sound pretty suspect giving grown men nicknames like "Bronzy" :oldlol:

Not as suspect as your constant need to make threads about Lebron. :oldlol:

Finals aint even over yet and he's already a "top 10 player" according to this ******* lmao.

[General]

Kobe haters to this day put Kobe outside the top 10 yet they are going to put Lebron in the top 5 with 2 championships:rolleyes:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe haters to this day put Kobe outside the top 10 yet they are going to put Lebron in the top 5 with 2 championships:rolleyes:


Im not a Kobe fan, but even I think he is no lower than 8 on the all-time list. Even higher when you weed out players like Bill Russell who played in a crap era.

[lilgodfather1]

I feel bad for the logo getting kicked out of the top ten.

[Heavincent]

Saying that Lebron is top 10 all time with just 1 ring is completely laughable :oldlol:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

1 ring and he moves up a few more spots. 2 Rings and he is in the top 5.
:roll:

now THAT'S funny stuff. excellent trolling.

[Scholar]

you reply to every thread I make :oldlol:

Practice what you preach and jump of my nuts first, clown :oldlol:

So you admit you're on LeBron's nuts? :biggums:

[Meticode]

Personally for me...

Ring+Finals MVP = Top 11-15. If he keeps playing at this rate and doesn't win another ring and is stuck with one he's going to land 5-10. If he keeps playing the rate he is and wins 2-3 rings he possibly can finish Top 5.

[Carbine]

With the response of some in here, it's obvious that his decision to team up with two perennial all-stars with one being a top 3 player in the league at the time will not hurt his legacy at all, only enhance it because it helped him get to two finals thus far, and possibly a ring this year and more in the future.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I have Lebron somewhere in the top 11-15 range, if he wins this year, then he's got the 11 spot for himself on my list. Another ring with a similar performance, he's still probably 11, but maybe I'll change my mind and he'll just slip into the top 10.

[Odinn]

I have Lebron somewhere in the top 11-15 range, if he wins this year, then he's got the 11 spot for himself on my list. Another ring with a similar performance, he's still probably 11, but maybe I'll change my mind and he'll just slip into the top 10.
As for being the best player on a championship team;
Russell - at least 8
Jordan - 6(1991-92-93-96-97-98)
Duncan - 4 (1999-03-05-07)
Kareem - 3 (1971-80-82, arguably 4 - 1985)
Bird - 3 (1981-84-86)
Shaq - 3 (2000-01-02)*
Magic - 2 (1987-88, arguably 3 - 1985)
Kobe - 2 (2009-10)**
Hakeem - 2 (1994-95)
Wilt - 2 (1967-72)

*: When Shaq was playing for the Heat, he was the alpha dog until 2006 playoffs. I don't think it's safe to say he was a 2nd option on 2006 Heat.
**: Kobe won 2 titles as the man. If he wasn't a teammate of Shaq at the beginning of 2000s, he wouldn't have rings. Yet in 2001 and 2002 he was way better than a 2nd option, he was more of a 1B.

LeBron needs a goat level title run, if he wants to be ranked in top 10. I mean Wilt didn't win many but his 1967 run has an argument for goat title run. The same goes for Hakeem. LeBron's current run can be an all-time great but i doubt it's on goat level. Aside from Russell, Kobe and Magic, all of those players had at least one goat level playoff run. And Russell won many, also Kobe and Magic had a huge impact on other championships.

At least one goat level title run and 2 rings put him to top 10.
At least 3 or 4 rings (depends on how he won them) put him to top 10.

[blacknapalm]

i can't put him top 12 still. a signature finals series will put him in the 13-15 range. if he gets two rings playing at the same rate, he'll be top 10 for sure...though i really hate having to bump someone out because they're all legends in their own way. it is what it is and you start splitting hairs eventually

[Quotable]

The thing I don't understand is why people think because a player wins a ring, his skill level increases. Somebody explain that to me. A ring is not won by a single player, but it is won by the team. Dirk got 1 and honestly I didn't see him get better this past season. Once he got it did it automatically add something to his game? Maybe i missed it.

Because the ring is what you play for and winning it legitimizes your career.

[cteach111]

With the response of some in here, it's obvious that his decision to team up with two perennial all-stars with one being a top 3 player in the league at the time will not hurt his legacy at all, only enhance it because it helped him get to two finals thus far, and possibly a ring this year and more in the future.

its funny how this works, isn't it?

I think people were imagining are more Boston-esque type of team rather than a pecking order type of team. Obviously, that didn't pan out.

[Quotable]

its funny how this works, isn't it?

I think people were imagining are more Boston-esque type of team rather than a pecking order type of team. Obviously, that didn't pan out.

LeBron is such a ball dominant player that it's not really possible.

[SpecialQue]

The thing I don't understand is why people think because a player wins a ring, his skill level increases. Somebody explain that to me. A ring is not won by a single player, but it is won by the team. Dirk got 1 and honestly I didn't see him get better this past season. Once he got it did it automatically add something to his game? Maybe i missed it.

It's not about physical skill level, it's about the leadership qualities necessary to get the job done and win the highest award in your chosen profession. What good is winning a shitload of battles if you lose the war?

[miles berg]

He is a top 15 talent all time, his legacy from there will be up to him.

[LA_Showtime]

I'm sick of using Insidehoops' scale to determine my top 10. If LeBron James wins a ring this year, he's in it. There are only a handful of players who have put up the numbers he has and impacted games the way he does.

[Tenchi Ryu]

I'm sick of using Insidehoops' scale to determine my top 10. If LeBron James wins a ring this year, he's in it. There are only a handful of players who have put up the numbers he has and impacted games the way he does.
And those handful are the usual top 10.

[Heilige]

I'm sick of using Insidehoops' scale to determine my top 10. If LeBron James wins a ring this year, he's in it. There are only a handful of players who have put up the numbers he has and impacted games the way he does.


What does your top 10 list look like now?

[LA_Showtime]

And those handful are the usual top 10.

Can you honestly name ten guys who have better numbers than LeBron James? I can't. The only thing holding him back is his mysterious disappearances and zero titles.

[LA_Showtime]

What does your top 10 list look like now?

That's a great question. Let me think about it and I'll get back to you.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Can you honestly name ten guys who have better numbers than LeBron James? I can't. The only thing holding him back is his mysterious disappearances and zero titles.
That's the point, when saying someone is one of the top 10 players in the world, and including all achievements and the likes, that comes into play. Its not just about numbers.

Its a difference between saying Lebron is one of the best b-ball players, and one of the greatest.

[LA_Showtime]

That's the point, when saying someone is one of the top 10 players in the world, and including all achievements and the likes, that comes into play. Its not just about numbers.

Its a difference between saying Lebron is one of the best b-ball players, and one of the greatest.

I guess. I'd like to see a thread that compares top 10 individual players vs. individual/team success. I bet it'd vary quite a bit.

[Mr. Jabbar]

This loser cannot snif the greatness of the ones in the top 10 right now. Besides hes getting knocked out in the Finals once a gain by a true warrior like durant. So keep your hopes up, but it aint happening op.

[Mr. Jabbar]

And lets not forget lebron has -1 ring, not 0, after what he did last year...

[cteach111]

And lets not forget lebron has -1 ring, not 0, after what he did last year...

the butthurt is strong with this one...

[tpols]

ROFL.. Hes one of the biggest superstar chokers of all time. Nottop 10 til he has two FMVPs at the least.. may need 3 depending on how he plays.

[bmulls]

He is a top 15 talent all time, his legacy from there will be up to him.

He is easily top 5 talent all time. Hands down the best athlete/physical specimen the NBA has ever seen, GOAT level basketball IQ and court vision. Great rebounder, great defender. If he develops his post game further you can put his offensive skill level up there too.

[creepingdeath]

I'm sick of using Insidehoops' scale to determine my top 10. If LeBron James wins a ring this year, he's in it. There are only a handful of players who have put up the numbers he has and impacted games the way he does.
Again, let me point out what the OP said: "Lebron is already a top 10 player."

[Story Up]

Wow at this thread, he'll make top ten if he wins 3 rings. Maybe 2...but 1!?
Not to mention Kobe gets degraded for winning with Shaq, yet James has to team up with Wade and Bosh, and only needs 1 ring?

The double standard is strong in this one. Lol

[Quickening]

Wow at this thread, he'll make top ten if he wins 3 rings. Maybe 2...but 1!?
Not to mention Kobe gets degraded for winning with Shaq, yet James has to team up with Wade and Bosh, and only needs 1 ring?

The double standard is strong in this one. Lol

But LBJ is still clearly the best player on the heat... Kobe was clearly not the best player on his first 3 championships.

[Mach_3]

But LBJ is still clearly the best player on the heat... Kobe was clearly not the best player on his first 3 championships.

Only a few minutes till alphawolf shows up :lol

[pauk]

Magic Johnson called Lebron a top 10 player of all time already. No shocker silk the shocker :eek: made this topic as if he created it. Such a creative thread.

Hehe.. its a point-forward love thing

As a talent/individual player, he is easily top 10... but in terms of career, probably not.... his accomplishments right now deserve him a 15-18 spot tho.... which is in the Karl Malone range... i have it something like this:

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. West
14. Moses
15-18. Julius/Lebron/Malone
18-20. Nowitzki/Garnett/Robinson

[alenleomessi]

Whether you like it or not, when its all said and done, Lebron will be the closest thing to Jordan. Probably 2nd after him on all time lists.

[Rysio]

Whether you like it or not, when its all said and done, Lebron will be the closest thing to Jordan. Probably 2nd after him on all time lists.
being scared in the clutch and choking in the finals doesn't seem very jordan like.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Whether you like it or not, when its all said and done, Lebron will be the closest thing to Jordan. Probably 2nd after him on all time lists.
Still making shitty predictions I see.

[ballinhun8]

Whether you like it or not, when its all said and done, Lebron will be the closest thing to Jordan. Probably 2nd after him on all time lists.


Look its the clueless bandwagoner with another shitty prediction.

[Mr Exlax]

It's not about physical skill level, it's about the leadership qualities necessary to get the job done and win the highest award in your chosen profession. What good is winning a shitload of battles if you lose the war?

I don't think any player in the history of the NBA could've done more with those Cavs teams. A ring is a team award though so how can you judge a player by something the rest of his team has a direct effect on?

[Mr Exlax]

Because the ring is what you play for and winning it legitimizes your career.

A ring is a team award. Adam Morrison is better than Lebron and Dwade because he has 2 right?

[SpecialQue]

Hehe.. its a point-forward love thing

As a talent/individual player, he is easily top 10... but in terms of career, probably not.... his accomplishments right now deserve him a 15-18 spot tho.... which is in the Karl Malone range... i have it something like this:

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. West
14. Moses
15-18. Julius/Lebron/Malone
18-20. Nowitzki/Garnett/Robinson

I'm fvcking horrified that I'm in agreement with you. Also, I'm glad you put your hate aside and put Kobe at #9.

[Mr Exlax]

Hehe.. its a point-forward love thing

As a talent/individual player, he is easily top 10... but in terms of career, probably not.... his accomplishments right now deserve him a 15-18 spot tho.... which is in the Karl Malone range... i have it something like this:

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. West
14. Moses
15-18. Julius/Lebron/Malone
18-20. Nowitzki/Garnett/Robinson

You're right on the money with this one sir.

[BigTicket]

Lebron isn't top 10 yet, and a ring would not be enough to get him there, though he'd be really close.

2 rings and he's top 10.

3 rings and he'd have an argument for top 5.

4 ring he'd be top 5 for sure.

That's all speculation though, since he's still trying for the first ring.

[BigTicket]

Hehe.. its a point-forward love thing

As a talent/individual player, he is easily top 10... but in terms of career, probably not.... his accomplishments right now deserve him a 15-18 spot tho.... which is in the Karl Malone range... i have it something like this:

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. West
14. Moses
15-18. Julius/Lebron/Malone
18-20. Nowitzki/Garnett/Robinson

Solid list, except for the fact that you're missing a #11.

[Dictator]

Hehe.. its a point-forward love thing

As a talent/individual player, he is easily top 10... but in terms of career, probably not.... his accomplishments right now deserve him a 15-18 spot tho.... which is in the Karl Malone range... i have it something like this:

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. West
14. Moses
15-18. Julius/Lebron/Malone
18-20. Nowitzki/Garnett/Robinson

Kobe over Duncan.

[G.O.A.T]

Legacy wise...if he wins a ring...hes pretty much whatever you thik Moses Malone is now isnt he? 3 mvps a title a finals MVP and an extra finals appearance with crazy numbers all along the way.

I think this is exactly right.

And though Moses played 21 seasons his prime was only 5-8 seasons, right about where LeBron's is. I think if LeBron maintains his numbers for the series and the Heat win it all and James finals MVP, after which he retires, you rank him right ahead or right behind Malone all-time, just outside of the top ten.

[longtime lurker]

OP's one of the biggest d!ckriding tools on ISH and that's saying a lot considering ISH is fool of them. Lebron James simply needs 2 titles to even crack the top 10. So far he's only played well in 1 out of 3 finals. Let him win 1 title before even talking about top 5

[All Net]

Lebron is already top 15-18 to me. He obviously gets closer with a ring. Stats wise he is a top 5 all-time talent and winning a ring could be the turning point for him to win more. The mental part of the game has always held him back but if he wins it this year I don't see any reason why he can't win a few in a row and it's only a matter of time until he is in the top 7-9 range IMO.

He is only 28 afterall so he has plenty more chances to win more.

[General]

Hehe.. its a point-forward love thing

As a talent/individual player, he is easily top 10... but in terms of career, probably not.... his accomplishments right now deserve him a 15-18 spot tho.... which is in the Karl Malone range... i have it something like this:

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem
12. Oscar
13. West
14. Moses
15-18. Julius/Lebron/Malone
18-20. Nowitzki/Garnett/Robinson
Kobe over both Shaq and Duncan. Wilt shouldn't be up that high.

[D.J.]

#10 IMO is between Kobe and Jerry West. Even with a ring and Finals MVP, LeBron doesn't surpass either one. He'd probably be around 15. If Miami loses again, I'd say he's around 20.

[Graviton]

2/5. :(

[buddha]

If you wanna talk about the stupid "legacy" thing, then no, he's not.

If you're talking best player, he's easily top 5.

Top 5 most dominant players are as follows

Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Shaquille O'Neal
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant

[Living Being]

2/5. :(
I like your bookmarks. :cheers:

[Graviton]

I like your bookmarks. :cheers:
I waited for a while. :lol