Lebron has been fantastic. But the officiating has SUCKED

[niko]

Why does the media need to tie the two together? I feel like because Lebron will win, and everyone is afraid to discredit him at all even slightly, we are going to have this absolutely horrid officiating stamped as ok. It's aggravating.

Im not annoyed Lebron is winning, im annoyed that we are going to have as norm this shit officiating forever. Why wouldn't we?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why does the media need to tie the two together? I feel like because Lebron will win, and everyone is afraid to discredit him at all even slightly, we are going to have this absolutely horrid officiating stamped as ok. It's aggravating.

Im not annoyed Lebron is winning, im annoyed that we are going to have as norm this shit officiating forever. Why wouldn't we?

Anyone that cant admit the officiating has been putrid (and in favor of Miami) has an agenda. Point blank. That doesnt mean I'm gonna turn a blind eye to the greatness that is Lebron. 30/10/5 on 50% shooting is.....amazing.

[babm]

what's so fantastic about shooting 47% where 90% of those FGs are layups?

[Reverend Hoops]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqsgOgf0-4c&feature=plcp

[TheFan]

Everyone has gotten it share of home cooking.

[NumberSix]

OKC has gotten away with more fouls than Miami has.

[niko]

Anyone that cant admit the officiating has been putrid (and in favor of Miami) has an agenda. Point blank. That doesnt mean I'm gonna turn a blind eye to the greatness that is Lebron. 30/10/5 on 50% shooting is.....amazing.

Yes. Its two different things. Lebron has been SICK. But the officiating is awful. ESPN, in their news, their talking heads (almost all) is going out of their way to say the officiating is jsut fine. But its not. The touch fouls especially, OKC gets called on them, Miami does not. It's actually, except for that one call at the end of the game, not a Lebron issue. He's been dominant.

People are so obtuse that they can't separate issues - either everything is on one side or everything is on the other side.

[QUIZZLE]

OKC has gotten away with more fouls than Miami has.

Go swim in a pool of Clorox with your eyes open.

[chips93]

i genuinely feel sorry for fans who cant enjoy the game, and have to incessantly moan about officiating

[niko]

i genuinely feel sorry for fans who cant enjoy the game, and have to incessantly moan about officiating
The officiating being bad is a problem to me. This is not WWE. It's not OKC GOT SCREWED BUT DONT WORRY, THEY'LL GET REVENGE AT THE NEXT PPV.

So i assume you enjoy bad officiating?

[TheBluest]

Anyone that cant admit the officiating has been putrid (and in favor of Miami) has an agenda. Point blank. That doesnt mean I'm gonna turn a blind eye to the greatness that is Lebron. 30/10/5 on 50% shooting is.....amazing.


Those numbers should be kept in perspective when he's been getting about 25-30% from the Free Throw line. As another poster mentioned he's getting another 40-50% on layups. Pretty easy to drive when you know you're either converting or going to the stripe.

He's basically getting his regular season numbers not quite sure why fans are quick to blow their wad over this.

[SCdac]

Nobody cared when OKC was benefiting from fishy officiating the first few rounds... :confusedshrug:

[NuggetsFan]

Afraid to discredit? Where have you been?

Officiating has been fine. Durant has got called for a few touchy fouls but it's his own fault. When your arms are 20 feet long you can't reach in. He's picked up some blatant fouls. FT shooting? Both teams attack constantly. People say you can't use FT shooting and have to watch the games. Well I did. Miami made what, like 5 jumpshots that game? :oldlol:

There's been questionable calls for both sides. Nothing to the point where it decided who will win the series. Durant making sure not to foul, OKC slow starts in the earlier games, Harden not showing up, Ibaka not having a big series, James playing MVP caliber ball, Chalmers showing up etc. are all acceptable reasons as to why the Heat are up 3-1. Not officiating.

I think alot of NBA fans need to take a step back for awhile. Your never going to get 100% correct calls. It's basketball, it's simply impossible. Calls will always be different. People just seem to care when it's their team or a big game or involves the Heat. OKC got the same hate by fans until they ran into Miami.

People made their minds up the second the Heat were formed that they had an edge everynight with the refs. When the playoffs started? Everybody was waiting to yell rigged. Before the finals started this question was already answered in alot of people's minds.

I hate Miami. I hate OKC. I hate Westbrook and James. What I've seen watching the finals has been no different than what I usually see. When Derrick Rose drives he's more likely to get a call than Ty Lawson. Denver has got the benefit of the whistle many times and there's been games where the whistle was against them.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yes. Its two different things. Lebron has been SICK. But the officiating is awful. ESPN, in their news, their talking heads (almost all) is going out of their way to say the officiating is jsut fine. But its not. The touch fouls especially, OKC gets called on them, Miami does not. It's actually, except for that one call at the end of the game, not a Lebron issue. He's been dominant.

People are so obtuse that they can't separate issues - either everything is on one side or everything is on the other side.

Agreed. And it's people with agendas that refuse to.

[chips93]

The officiating being bad is a problem to me. This is not WWE. It's not OKC GOT SCREWED BUT DONT WORRY, THEY'LL GET REVENGE AT THE NEXT PPV.

So i assume you enjoy bad officiating?

while i do think you complain about officiating too much, i was being honest, and there was nothing else to my post, your reading into something that isnt there.

i watch the game, and notice bad calls from time to time, but it doesnt ruin my enjoyment of the game. i forget about it quickly, and can just move on, and its sad to me that others dont enjoy the game as much

[TheBluest]

The officiating being bad is a problem to me. This is not WWE. It's not OKC GOT SCREWED BUT DONT WORRY, THEY'LL GET REVENGE AT THE NEXT PPV.

So i assume you enjoy bad officiating?


It's been horrific throughout the playoffs probably more magnified because of the stakes but it's been in a downward trend for so long now. This isn't the only series they were way past unbearable but the Heat of all teams have benefited the most therefore most can't respect or appreciate what they've accomplished

[Blue&Orange]

Final minutes... Bosh brings his arms down on sefolosha on the act of shooting no call... Lebron pushes Durant act of shooting no call... Lebron elbows Harden, foul on Harden


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol



As ever a team been carried over the entire playoffs like the Heat this year?

I still remember Wade throwing himself, out of control, doing a 360 spin onto a standstill Paul Pierce and the refs giving a foul to Pierce

:lol

[niko]

It's been horrific throughout the playoffs probably more magnified because of the stakes but it's been in a downward trend for so long now. This isn't the only series they were way past unbearable but the Heat of all teams have benefited the most therefore most can't respect or appreciate what they've accomplished

i agree. btw this is not the first time im said the officiating is ass. i hate people who immediately single out "YOU ARE LEBRON HATING". There's been a ton of bad officiating. And its the same refs. There are some refs, you see them, and you might as well stop watching.

[tastystaci]

OKC has gotten away with more fouls than Miami has.

That's a sick statement from an obvious troll homer. EVERY questionable call has gone their way.

Game 2
* Double block goaltend call gives Heat free two points
*obvious foul on Durant for game tying shot at end of game 2
Game 3
*Lebron throws ball off back of the backboard, no violation. Heat ball. Score
*Phantom foul on Durant against Wade. Durant sits. Miami proceeds to dominate 3rd quarter erasing double digit lead.
Game 4
*Too many to name. I have it on DVR. The whole second half JVG and Mike Breen are commenting on this bad call, that bad call. By far the most one sided officiated game since game 5 of '06 finals.

You do realize that Durant avg 2 fouls pr game all season. He's almost doubled that number in the finals. Arguably the best player in the game and he can't get the benefit of the doubt after leading his team to the finals? Only one answer. This series is predetermined.

[NuggetsFan]

i genuinely feel sorry for fans who cant enjoy the game, and have to incessantly moan about officiating

After this years playoffs I simply don't understand it. I've been upset with reffing and called rigged probably tons of times but than you realize your biased and get over it.

If you don't like something why watch it? I hate two and a half men so I don't watch it. Why would I watch it and than bitch and moan about what I just watched?

Just doesn't make sense. Watch a sport that a ref can't have such a direct impact because I'm not denying the refs don't make alot of mistakes because they do. It's just a hard sport to ref. Watch college basketball. That atleast doesn't have star bias.

[TheBluest]

Final minutes... Bosh brings his arms down on sefolosha on the act of shooting no call... Lebron pushes Durant act of shooting no call... Lebron elbows Harden, foul on Harden


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol



As ever a team been carried over he entire playoffs like the Heat this year?


The Durant block on Wade Durant called for foul

The Wade grab on Harden on a break away no call

Durant's late drive to the middle in the paint raked over the arms Miami steals no call

Westbrook's repeated drives to the lane no calls

Wade driving baseline no one touches him foul called

On and On and On and On

[chips93]

If you don't like something why watch it? I hate two and a half men so I don't watch it. Why would I watch it and than bitch and moan about what I just watched?

this

i cant even fathom how the people who think its rigged can enjoy it

if you genuinely believe that its predetermined, why are you watching? its likely because they know its not, but just wanna make excuses

[chips93]

quick question:

any of you guys tried to ref a game?

i did a little bit, and its really tough, cant imagine what its like with the pace of an nba game

[tastystaci]

ESPN, in their news, their talking heads (almost all) is going out of their way to say the officiating is jsut fine. But its not.

Tim Legler's reactions while watching the game

Timothy Legler ‏@LegsESPN

Mia is playing great. Make no mistake. But it's getting ridiculous how few calls they get on similar plays to what Mia gets. Obvious.
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22h Timothy Legler Timothy Legler ‏@LegsESPN

OKC cannot get the benefit of the doubt on any calls. Too many touch calls for the NBA Finals

[niko]

this

i cant even fathom how the people who think its rigged can enjoy it

if you genuinely believe that its predetermined, why are you watching? its likely because they know its not, but just wanna make excuses
i don't think its rigged. i think the officiating in this years playoffs, and especially THIS SERIES has sucked. The fact people act like enablers and say "it is what it is" is troubling to me.

i dont think anyone is trying to make Lebron win. It's kind of my point. im basically being told i have to accept the officiating is ok, OR think LEbron is great and won a title fair and square. I think Lebron deserves this title (unless something changes magically). He's been fantastic. He's totally winning me over to almsot root (which pains me). But i also think the officiating is total ass and i want it to change.

I can't want something to improve? If i do, i have to stop watching? Piss off. That's ridiculous.

[Dictator]

quick question:

any of you guys tried to ref a game?

i did a little bit, and its really tough, cant imagine what its like with the pace of an nba game

Did you get paid nba money? If not stfu.

[NuggetsFan]

quick question:

any of you guys tried to ref a game?

i did a little bit, and its really tough, cant imagine what its like with the pace of an nba game

Not to mention you have players flopping and trying to trick you. A guy like Harden? If they called everything that looked like contact with him he'd be at the FT line 15x a game.

[chips93]

i don't think its rigged. i think the officiating in this years playoffs, and especially THIS SERIES has sucked. The fact people act like enablers and say "it is what it is" is troubling to me.

i dont think anyone is trying to make Lebron win. It's kind of my point. im basically being told i have to accept the officiating is ok, OR think LEbron is great and won a title fair and square. I think Lebron deserves this title (unless something changes magically). He's been fantastic. He's totally winning me over to almsot root (which pains me). But i also think the officiating is total ass and i want it to change.

I can't want something to improve? If i do, i have to stop watching? Piss off. That's ridiculous.

you still dont understand me, and am taking what i say and running with it

[oh the horror]

Tim Legler's reactions while watching the game

Timothy Legler ‏@LegsESPN

Mia is playing great. Make no mistake. But it's getting ridiculous how few calls they get on similar plays to what Mia gets. Obvious.
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22h Timothy Legler Timothy Legler ‏@LegsESPN

OKC cannot get the benefit of the doubt on any calls. Too many touch calls for the NBA Finals



He knows what is going on, and EVERYONE knows. Unless they're blind or flat out in denial. There are simply people out there that REFUSE to see how HORRIBLE the officiating has been during these finals, and throughout the playoffs.


Let's face it.....they do favor particular teams, and it generates money for particular teams to win chips. Period.

[T-Time3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqsgOgf0-4c&feature=plcp
this

[tastystaci]

Not to mention you have players flopping and trying to trick you. A guy like Harden? If they called everything that looked like contact with him he'd be at the FT line 15x a game.

That's hilarious. In a series with Dwayne Wade(the biggest flopping piece of dog sh*t to ever play the game) you bring up Harden. Funny how biased people are in these forums.

[imdaman99]

quick question:

any of you guys tried to ref a game?

i did a little bit, and its really tough, cant imagine what its like with the pace of an nba game
that is their livelihood and they get paid for it. that is not your profession. you have to be good at what you do if you're getting paid to do it on the biggest stage there is in your profession :confusedshrug:

sure it aint easy, but they're supposed to be the best at it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He knows what is going on, and EVERYONE knows. Unless they're blind or flat out in denial. There are simply people out there that REFUSE to see how HORRIBLE the officiating has been during these finals, and throughout the playoffs.


Let's face it.....they do favor particular teams, and it generates money for particular teams to win chips. Period.

Exactly.

As others have said, OKC has to play damn near perfect to beat Miami. The Heat can play sloppy as shit but still be in the game because of the fouls they generate.

[tastystaci]

He knows what is going on, and EVERYONE knows. Unless they're blind or flat out in denial. There are simply people out there that REFUSE to see how HORRIBLE the officiating has been during these finals, and throughout the playoffs.


Let's face it.....they do favor particular teams, and it generates money for particular teams to win chips. Period.

And it's people like this that enable it to happen. There's is literally a guy who went to prison for fixing games, but yet it's not possible Stern could alter the outcome of a series :facepalm Any nuetral, NBA fan WITHOUT an agenda can see it. The others pull the wool over there eyes. These same people probably thought that Paccio really lost that fight to Bradley. :banghead:

[Blue&Orange]

quick question:

any of you guys tried to ref a game?

i did a little bit, and its really tough, cant imagine what its like with the pace of an nba game
Did you missed calls only for one team?

Are you seriously trying to say that the type of calls and no-calls the Heat gets, other teams get too?

I don't think is predetermined, Lebron dickriding is everywhere, even among the refs, it's not just on ish, espn, etc...

[97 bulls]

what's so fantastic about shooting 47% where 90% of those FGs are layups?
Great point. But people dont want to acknowledge this cuz they dont know basketball.

[oh the horror]

And it's people like this that enable it to happen. There's is literally a guy who went to prison for fixing games, but yet it's not possible Stern could alter the outcome of a series :facepalm Any nuetral, NBA fan WITHOUT an agenda can see it. The others pull the wool over there eyes. These same people probably thought that Paccio really lost that fight to Bradley. :banghead:



What blows me away is that people believe that the ref that was caught fixing games was acting alone. COME ON. :oldlol:


I'll be honest folks...



I havent tuned in to ANY games other than the first game of these finals. Im TIRED of seeing bad officiating. Its infuriating to me.

[NuggetsFan]

That's hilarious. In a series with Dwayne Wade(the biggest flopping piece of dog sh*t to ever play the game) you bring up Harden. Funny how biased people are in these forums.

Agreed. Wade is probably WORSE than Harden in the fact he's always looking to get to the line rather than score the bucket. My point was that makes it that much harder to refs to call the game. You basically have players trying to pull a fast one on you in a sport where it's already tough to ref. That's the difference between college\NBA IMO. NBA has star bias which most fans want weather they admit it or not. No Bulls fan wants Rose reffed like Lawson. No Knick fan wants Melo reffed like Casspi. Laker fans? You guy's want Kobe getting calls like John Salmons? ... if you do have beef with that, than you've have beef with it since the 90's and even before that I'd imagine.

Yet you assume I'm biased? I hate both teams.

[Dictator]

Agreed. Wade is probably WORSE than Harden in the fact he's always looking to get to the line rather than score the bucket. My point was that makes it that much harder to refs to call the game. You basically have players trying to pull a fast one on you in a sport where it's already tough to ref. That's the difference between college\NBA IMO. NBA has star bias which most fans want weather they admit it or not. No Bulls fan wants Rose reffed like Lawson. No Knick fan wants Melo reffed like Casspi. Laker fans? You guy's want Kobe getting calls like John Salmons? ... if you do have beef with that, than you've have beef with it since the 90's and even before that I'd imagine.

Yet you assume I'm biased? I hate both teams.

You do know that Kobe only gets blatant calls? He's one of the few superstars that don't get the benefit.

[chips93]

that is their livelihood and they get paid for it. that is not your profession. you have to be good at what you do if you're getting paid to do it on the biggest stage there is in your profession :confusedshrug:

sure it aint easy, but they're supposed to be the best at it.

nba players are supposed to be the best basketball players in the world, how come they miss shots?

[tastystaci]

Agreed. Wade is probably WORSE than Harden in the fact he's always looking to get to the line rather than score the bucket. My point was that makes it that much harder to refs to call the game. You basically have players trying to pull a fast one on you in a sport where it's already tough to ref. That's the difference between college\NBA IMO. NBA has star bias which most fans want weather they admit it or not. No Bulls fan wants Rose reffed like Lawson. No Knick fan wants Melo reffed like Casspi. Laker fans? You guy's want Kobe getting calls like John Salmons? ... if you do have beef with that, than you've have beef with it since the 90's and even before that I'd imagine.

Yet you assume I'm biased? I hate both teams.

I agree that Superstar calls are part of the game. I'm a Piston fan so I had to watch Jordan get every call known to man, but this is different.

DURANT IS A SUPERSTSAR.

Easily the second best player in the league yet he's been in foul trouble most of the series. A guy who averaged 2 fouls per game. Are you kidding me? That goes beyond superstar calls. No other explanation.

[LBJDW305]

People are forgetting what home cooking is...And people will still blame game 2 on the reffs forgetting that the reffs saved Durants ass and he should've been fouled out meaning he wouldn't have even been playing the last 5 minutes of the game

[RRR3]

You do know that Kobe only gets blatant calls? He's one of the few superstars that don't get the benefit.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


:facepalm

[dude77]

Go swim in a pool of Clorox with your eyes open.

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/steelermia/mad.jpg

[Dictator]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


:facepalm

:coleman: Lestern and Dwhistle?

[chips93]

Are you seriously trying to say that the type of calls and no-calls the Heat gets, other teams get too?

i think the heat team attacks the basket like no other team, and gets the benefit of the doubt

[BlueCrayon]

Why does the media need to tie the two together? I feel like because Lebron will win, and everyone is afraid to discredit him at all even slightly, we are going to have this absolutely horrid officiating stamped as ok. It's aggravating.

Im not annoyed Lebron is winning, im annoyed that we are going to have as norm this shit officiating forever. Why wouldn't we?

:no: A lot of people hate LeBron and will discredit this year's championship if he wins it.

[imdaman99]

nba players are supposed to be the best basketball players in the world, how come they miss shots?
well, if they only get 46% of the calls right than i suggest that is good enough for you :confusedshrug:

[IGOTGAME]

this series is one of the better officiated series that I have seen all playoffs...

OKC vs. LAL and OKC vs. Dallas were much worst.

[lilgodfather1]

I'm not going to say there haven't been questionable calls, but there have been no calls on both teams. Last game Thabo hit LeBron in the head on a layup with no call, but I didn't see anyone bringing that up.

You have to watch the damn game though to understand how it is being officiated. FT disparity is not a stat, it is a travesty.

If a team gets fouled 6 times they could shoot 12-18 free throws, where as a team could also get fouled 6 times, but shoot as little as 2 free throws. The more aggressive team will shoot more free throws, and OKC is mostly a jump shooting team this series.

[RRR3]

:no: A lot of people hate LeBron and will discredit this year's championship if he wins it.
QFT. Honestly that particular group of people are never going to give LeBron credit, no matter what he does. There will always be some "reason" that makes his accomplishments, in their mind, less valuable or completely invalid. It's quite tiresome.

[chips93]

well, if they only get 46% of the calls right than i suggest that is good enough for you :confusedshrug:

point is, even if you are the best of the best, you will make mistakes

[chips93]

QFT. Honestly that particular group of people are never going to give LeBron credit, no matter what he does. There will always be some "reason" that makes his accomplishments, in their mind, less valuable or completely invalid. It's quite tiresome.

those fools belong on ignore

[RRR3]

I'm not going to say there haven't been questionable calls, but there have been no calls on both teams. Last game Thabo hit LeBron in the head on a layup with no call, but I didn't see anyone bringing that up.

You have to watch the damn game though to understand how it is being officiated. FT disparity is not a stat, it is a travesty.

If a team gets fouled 6 times they could shoot 12-18 free throws, where as a team could also get fouled 6 times, but shoot as little as 2 free throws. The more aggressive team will shoot more free throws, and OKC is mostly a jump shooting team this series.
Because when fouls go against LeBron, it's a good thing. Basically, LeBron has to have everything against him to ensure he won't win no matter what, don't you get it yet? This is ISH for ya, man, too many haters here. This series has been fine in terms of officiating, some home cooking for each team, but nothing that bad. There have been horrible calls all playoffs (Hawks-Celtics, Heat-Celtics, Thunder-Lakers, Thunder-Mavs, etc.)

[RRR3]

those fools belong on ignore
I would have about 90% of ISH on ignore then:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Nobody cared when OKC was benefiting from fishy officiating the first few rounds... :confusedshrug:
I did.

[Blue&Orange]

i think the heat team attacks the basket like no other team, and gets the benefit of the doubt
lol are you serious, it's that a rule? It's that your cope out for dealing with what happened this year throughout the playoffs in the east and now in the finals :lol


How about the Heat attack the basket more than anyone because they know that unlike every other team they will get the call ??

Like Wade throwing himself on a 360, completely out of control into a player and getting the call? Who else on the NBA gets calls like that?


Benefit of the doubt? :lol

Thanks for the lulz

[tastystaci]

Because when fouls go against LeBron, it's a good thing. Basically, LeBron has to have everything against him to ensure he won't win no matter what, don't you get it yet? This is ISH for ya, man, too many haters here. This series has been fine in terms of officiating, some home cooking for each team, but nothing that bad. There have been horrible calls all playoffs (Hawks-Celtics, Heat-Celtics, Thunder-Lakers, Thunder-Mavs, etc.)

Home cooking? You do realize that game 2 was in OKC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55E2qHZvj9k

:roll: You guys on ish AMAZE me!!!!

[chips93]

I would have about 90% of ISH on ignore then:oldlol:


i think its gotten a lot better as miami's run has gone on, not nearly as many haters

[RRR3]

Home cooking? You do realize that game 2 was in OKC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55E2qHZvj9k

:roll: You guys on ish AMAZE me!!!!
You've been ranting about the refs on ISH each time I have been on today. I'm quite aware of your opinion on the series, and I really could care less. Thanks and have a nice day.

[tastystaci]

You've been ranting about the refs on ISH each time I have been on today. I'm quite aware of your opinion on the series, and I really could care less. Thanks and have a nice day.

I'm glad you've been paying attention. Hopefully your learning something. About common sense, basketball, life. Clearly not learning enough though.

Home cooking on both sides :oldlol:

You tell me if that was in Miami and Wade OR Lebron go up for that game winning shot. You think they're getting that call? I'd bet your life, my life, the life of my unborn child that they would. Please get your head out of your anus hole.

[chips93]

lol are you serious, it's that a rule? It's that your cope out for dealing with what happened this year throughout the playoffs in the east and now in the finals :lol


How about the Heat attack the basket more than anyone because they know that unlike every other team they will get the call ??

Like Wade throwing himself on a 360, completely out of control into a player and getting the call? Who else on the NBA gets calls like that?


Benefit of the doubt? :lol

Thanks for the lulz

the heat attack the basket like nobody else, and force the defense into fouls

this is basic stuff buddy

[RRR3]

I'm glad you've been paying attention. Hopefully your learning something. About common sense, basketball, life. Clearly not learning enough though.

Home cooking on both sides :oldlol:

You tell me if that was in Miami and Wade OR Lebron go up for that game winning shot. You think they're getting that call? I'd bet your life, my life, the life of my unborn child that they would. Please get your head out of your anus hole.
I have learned nothing of the sort from your posts, as they are full of your own opinions, which are, in my own opinion, biased, and regardless of whether that is true or not, you are not using any strong facts to support your argument. Pointing out a few bad calls on one side is not difficult to do, and anyone can show selected bits of film to make it appear that the game is "rigged".

[Cangri]

I really don't see anything wrong with the officiating, there's always missed calls or bad calls, nothing has changed and both team have gotten about the same share.

[oh the horror]

What absolutely blows me away is that there are actual human beings on this site, that do not see the officiating as leaning to one side for the most part.



They might even deny that officiating has been piss poor.



What are these people watching?

[TheBluest]

lol are you serious, it's that a rule? It's that your cope out for dealing with what happened this year throughout the playoffs in the east and now in the finals :lol


How about the Heat attack the basket more than anyone because they know that unlike every other team they will get the call ??

Like Wade throwing himself on a 360, completely out of control into a player and getting the call? Who else on the NBA gets calls like that?


Benefit of the doubt? :lol

Thanks for the lulz


And when Wade did that he had nowhere to go not only did he get the call it fouled out Pierce.

Hey if we're so out of context here anyone is free to point out when this happens to Heat to this degree...

There was only one no call in the Heat's favor last night and it was when Sef raked Lebron across the forearms but you could cite the game prior Sef rips Wade goes in for a reverse jam gets fouled no call.

And it appears the only time OKC gets calls that benefit them is to keep them in the game when it appears it could get outta hand after getting screwed over call after call...

Remember Haslem literally all over the back of Fisher basically knocking him outta bounds no call?

There are just so many incidences


To be honest I expect the refs to pull a 180 next game making it more obvious of how fake everything is. Much like they did when they fouled out Lebron against the Celtics when he had never fouled out of the playoffs before. Another reason not to believe anything we're watching is reality

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What absolutely blows me away is that there are actual human beings on this site, that do not see the officiating as leaning to one side for the most part.



They might even deny that officiating has been piss poor.



What are these people watching?

Pretty simple; they're called fanboys. Heat fans, Carmelo Anthony fans, and Seattle/Kobe fans (sorry my dude, but you know its true--there are some Laker diehards that are rooting against them though). Like I said, obvious agenda is obvious.

[chips93]

What absolutely blows me away is that there are actual human beings on this site, that do not see the officiating as leaning to one side for the most part.



They might even deny that officiating has been piss poor.



What are these people watching?

and there are plenty of very intelligent nba people who would agree that the officiating hasnt been that bad

i guess they are idiots too

[tastystaci]

What absolutely blows me away is that there are actual human beings on this site, that do not see the officiating as leaning to one side for the most part.



They might even deny that officiating has been piss poor.



What are these people watching?

:roll:

That's what keeps pulling me back to ish. I haven't been on here in two years, after seeing game four I figured everyone would be talking about how lopsided the officiating was, and most don't/won't even see it. I'ts mind blowing to me. Twilight zone sh*t

[NumberSix]

What absolutely blows me away is that there are actual human beings on this site, that do not see the officiating as leaning to one side for the most part.



They might even deny that officiating has been piss poor.



What are these people watching?
What I don't understand is how people don't notice how many fouls OKC get away with. They're still only getting called on about 60% of the fouls they commit.

The nerve of the bandwagon OKC fans complaining that their hacking ass team doesn't get enough touch foul on their long range jumpers is priceless. Go tell that shit to the Mavs and Spurs fans you jobbed you crybaby cowards.

[NuggetsFan]

Bottom line. Miami has shot like 10 more FT's than OKC in the series. Factor in that they've probably been forced to the line a few times late during the games. That's like 5 calls depending on AND1's and shit like that. 5 calls. OKC\Miami both attack alot. Miami made like what 3-4 shots that one game that weren't a 3pt or in the paint? Miami jacks 3's or attacks the hoop. OKC attacks alot as well, just like Westbrook pulls up for that midrange J alot too.

It's 100% arguable who attacks more. People are going crazy over roughly 3-7 calls that could have been wrong. Do people want OKC to shoot 10 more FT's a game, while being behind late in games? While I watch the games it doesn't seem that absurd that Miami shoots more FT's :confusedshrug:

Personal fouls? I think Miami has like 6 less than them. Probably abit more if you factor in OKC having to intentional fouls just like the FT's. Is that really that crazy? Durant has got some ticky tack fouls but can anybody say that he hasn't been an idiot with fouling? Reaching in with 20 feet arms at the top of the key?

Once again what do people want? For OKC to have less personal fouls than Miami? .. I know when I watch the game I don't see that. Doesn't seem insane to me that Miami has less. Once again at the very least arguable.

Seems like the only way people will be happy is if Miami is at a disadvantage with the whistle. Suppose it's because their the definition of what's wrong with the NBA and LeBron James not only took a shit on the NBA but also acted like a douchebag who thought winning 7 rings was a catchphrase.

As a person who hates both teams, and alot of the players on those teams it really hasn't been that bad. No different from any other year. You could argue Miami got a few extra calls I'm sure. I wouldn't even be opposed to it. Just like you could argue L.A got a few extra calls vs Boston or vise versa. Never going to be a series where everything is 100% correctly called and there's no mistakes. Just not realistic.

[RRR3]

What I don't understand is how people don't notice how many fouls OKC get away with. They're still only getting called on about 60% of the fouls they commit.

The nerve of the bandwagon OKC fans complaining that their hacking ass team doesn't get enough touch foul on their long range jumpers is priceless. Go tell that shit to the Mavs and Spurs fans you jobbed you crybaby cowards.
Actually he's a Lakers fan, which is even funnier, because he has the nerve to act all morally outraged at "the integrity of the game being ruined" or whatever, when the Lakers have long been thought to have been gifted games from the refs.

[oh the horror]

Why are people only factoring in free-throws when it comes to foul calls?


Or am I crazy here?


Not all fouls are free throws folks.......right?

[tastystaci]

I have learned nothing of the sort from your posts, as they are full of your own opinions, which are, in my own opinion, biased, and regardless of whether that is true or not, you are not using any strong facts to support your argument. Pointing out a few bad calls on one side is not difficult to do, and anyone can show selected bits of film to make it appear that the game is "rigged".

I just showed you a slow motion video of Durant getting mauled by Lebron at the end of game 2 IN OKC. This was after you said both teams were getting home cooking. What more proof do you want? You want me to kidnap Joey Crawford and waterboard the sh*t out of him until he admits it rigged?

Stat? Westbrook took 32 shots, took 3 free throws. A guy who was going to the rim every other possession. He didn't shoot his first free throw until his 28th shot. Is that a good stat for you.

How about the fact that Durant has gone from 2 fouls pr game to almost 4 fouls per game. Is that a good stat? I don't know what else it takes?

"Help me, help you."

--Jerry Maguire

[oh the horror]

Actually he's a Lakers fan, which is even funnier, because he has the nerve to act all morally outraged at "the integrity of the game being ruined" or whatever, when the Lakers have long been thought to have been gifted games from the refs.


Bro, im 31 years old. Dont talk about me like im some fu*king kid on here with an agenda. Get real.

[NuggetsFan]

Why are people only factoring in free-throws when it comes to foul calls?


Or am I crazy here?


Not all fouls are free throws folks.......right?

Miami has 6 less personal fouls I think. Coulda messed it up but in that general range.

Question to you. Is that really absurd? Should Miami have 10 more personal fouls? Should they be 100% dead even? How many times does that happen in basketball? :oldlol:

[oh the horror]

Basically there are some people here that are only going to see what they want to see.


Even though VARIOUS players, analysts, and ex-players are sitting here calling out the officiating as well.

[TheBluest]

Bottom line. Miami has shot like 10 more FT's than OKC in the series. Factor in that they've probably been forced to the line a few times late during the games. That's like 5 calls depending on AND1's and shit like that. 5 calls. OKC\Miami both attack alot. Miami made like what 3-4 shots that one game that weren't a 3pt or in the paint? Miami jacks 3's or attacks the hoop. OKC attacks alot as well, just like Westbrook pulls up for that midrange J alot too.

It's 100% arguable who attacks more. People are going crazy over roughly 3-7 calls that could have been wrong. Do people want OKC to shoot 10 more FT's a game, while being behind late in games? While I watch the games it doesn't seem that absurd that Miami shoots more FT's :confusedshrug:

Personal fouls? I think Miami has like 6 less than them. Probably abit more if you factor in OKC having to intentional fouls just like the FT's. Is that really that crazy? Durant has got some ticky tack fouls but can anybody say that he hasn't been an idiot with fouling? Reaching in with 20 feet arms at the top of the key?

Once again what do people want? For OKC to have less personal fouls than Miami? .. I know when I watch the game I don't see that. Doesn't seem insane to me that Miami has less. Once again at the very least arguable.

Seems like the only way people will be happy is if Miami is at a disadvantage with the whistle. Suppose it's because their the definition of what's wrong with the NBA and LeBron James not only took a shit on the NBA but also acted like a douchebag who thought winning 7 rings was a catchphrase.

As a person who hates both teams, and alot of the players on those teams it really hasn't been that. No different from any other year. You could argue Miami got a few extra calls I'm sure. I wouldn't even be opposed to it. Just like you could argue L.A got a few extra calls vs Boston or vise versa. Never going to be a series where everything is 100% correctly called and there's no mistakes. Just not realistic.


Naawwww you can't argue like that

Let me ask you who attacks the basket more WestBrook or Lebron?

Let me ask you who has been sent to the line more WestBrook or Lebron?

Now ask yourself how is it one player can attack and convert just as well if not better than the other and avoiding contact the majority of the time?

Just makes what one player is doing compared to the other that much greater when looked at objectively

[RRR3]

I just showed you a slow motion video of Durant getting mauled by Lebron at the end of game 2 IN OKC. This was after you said both teams were getting home cooking. What more proof do you want? You want me to kidnap Joey Crawford and waterboard the sh*t out of him until he admits it rigged?

Stat? Westbrook took 32 shots, took 3 free throws. A guy who was going to the rim every other possession. He didn't shoot his first free throw until his 28th shot. Is that a good stat for you.

How about the fact that Durant has gone from 2 fouls pr game to almost 4 fouls per game. Is that a good stat? I don't know what else it takes?

"Help me, help you."

--Jerry Maguire
How many times does that call get made in that situation? Secondly, Durant was lucky to be in the game, as he should have already fouled out after charging Battier, but got the call that time. Of course, that gets swept under the rug. As for Westbrook, there were definitely one or two calls he should have got yesterday, and then there are some others that I am sure are arguable but just because he got to the rim does not mean he was fouled. He's so fast he often scores before anyone can react lol. Durant is also playing defense like an idiot and guarding LeBron James. He has had some calls go against him, yes, but he has also committed a lot of dumb fouls.

[oh the horror]

Miami has 6 less personal fouls I think. Coulda messed it up but in that general range.

Question to you. Is that really absurd? Should Miami have 10 more personal fouls? Should they be 100% dead even? How many times does that happen in basketball? :oldlol:



The differential isnt the story. I question the way the game is being called. Ive watched several plays throughout this series where one player will get away with absolutely mugging another player, and then on the other end, a slight touch will have a foul called.



This brand of officiating is used to sway momentum of games OFTEN. It isnt JUST Miami getting the benefit. Games are being literally shaped BY THE OFFICIATING rather than the game ITSELF determining its own outcome. Know what im saying?

[NumberSix]

I just showed you a slow motion video of Durant getting mauled by Lebron at the end of game 2 IN OKC. This was after you said both teams were getting home cooking. What more proof do you want? You want me to kidnap Joey Crawford and waterboard the sh*t out of him until he admits it rigged?
Ok, now show Chris Bosh getting fouled on a dunk at the end of the second quarter that didn't get called, LeBron getting fouled by Ibaka on a dunk that they called a block and KD shooting FT's for committing a charge which was his 6th foul and staying in for the rest of the game.

OKC has gotten their fair share of favorable calls, but you only want to bring up 1 call.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

[Bernie Nips]

Hahaha the funniest thing about this Finals is it proves how much everyone hates LeBron.

Seriously.

Usually every Finals series, the team losing has their fans come out and complain about the officiating. That's not new. It happens every single year.

But this year, because LeBron is winning, this has stretched out to more than just the fans of OKC, it includes every person who hates LeBron and never wanted him to succeed. So even though this is one of the best officiated Finals that I can remember, people are calling it the worst since 06.

My favourite is the guy in here saying people who think the games are fine and the officiating has been level are the ones with agendas. How the hell is agreeing with what takes place an agenda. That's ****ing genius.

[chips93]

Even though VARIOUS players, analysts, and ex-players are sitting here calling out the officiating as well.

just like there are plenty saying that people complaing are idiots

it works both ways

[NuggetsFan]

Basically there are some people here that are only going to see what they want to see.


Even though VARIOUS players, analysts, and ex-players are sitting here calling out the officiating as well.

Just curious but what are your thought on the Kings vs L.A series earlier in the decade?

[TheBluest]

Game 4 Stats

Russell WestBrook 20-32fg

The majority of his attempts were on penetration drives at the rim

Russell WestBrook 3-3FTA<---------LMFAO


So that's 32fga at a minimum 16 of them were at the rim and he only was called to the line 2 times

Trick yourself into thinking you aren't be Tricked Off by the NBA

[oh the horror]

Just curious but what are your thought on the Kings vs L.A series earlier in the decade?



That was a fu*king pre-written television show. Im not blind dude. I can like a team, and know what Im seeing.

[NumberSix]

Game 4 Stats

Russell WestBrook 20-32fg

The majority of his attempts were on penetration drives at the rim

Russell WestBrook 3-3FTA<---------LMFAO


So that's 32fga at a minimum 16 of them were at the rim and he only was called to the line 2 times

Trick yourself into thinking you aren't be Tricked Off by the NBA
Here's the difference genius. Miami is an elite defensive team. They play defense the right way and try not to commit fouls. OKC on the other hand hacks anyone who steps into the paint. They have no defensive discipline whatsoever, especially Ibaka who just fouls and goal tends left and right trying to get blocks.

[Bernie Nips]

Game 4 Stats

Russell WestBrook 20-32fg

The majority of his attempts were on penetration drives at the rim

Russell WestBrook 3-3FTA<---------LMFAO


So that's 32fga at a minimum 16 of them were at the rim and he only was called to the line 2 times

Trick yourself into thinking you aren't be Tricked Off by the NBA

Why a minimum of 16 of them? A figure you pulled out of your ass, or is that an actual figure?

One OFFICIAL stat is that Russell Westbrook made 7 baskets driving to the rim (same as LeBron). Watching the game I saw him make PLENTY of pull up J's. And missing a fair few as well.

[RRR3]

Bro, im 31 years old. Dont talk about me like im some fu*king kid on here with an agenda. Get real.
Yes, sir. I'll be sure to show you more respect from now on. Thank you for telling me off, you sure showed me. :applause:

[tastystaci]

How many times does that call get made in that situation?

Here's one from the last fixed NBA series. Way less contact. Won game 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8lct4Y2FQI


Secondly, Durant was lucky to be in the game, as he should have already fouled out after charging Battier, but got the call that time. Of course, that gets swept under the rug.

I actually agree that Durant probably commited an offensive foul here. There were 2-3 ridiculous calls against him to get him to his fifth. Officials almost NEVER call a 6th foul here. The same thing with Lebron's power dribble move in the middle of the lane. Is it a travel? Yes. Do they call that in the NBA? Not usually.



Durant is also playing defense like an idiot and guarding LeBron James. He has had some calls go against him, yes, but he has also committed a lot of dumb fouls.

Few dumb fouls. Agreed. But a majority have just been ridiclous. I mean did you see that fourth foul he got on Wade in game 3? And you can't honestly tell me that Durant is playing more physical defense than Lebron. Lebron is holding/muscling him on almost every possession he defends Durant. Yet only one player has been in foul trouble this series. Durant.

[NuggetsFan]

The differential isnt the story. I question the way the game is being called. Ive watched several plays throughout this series where one player will get away with absolutely mugging another player, and then on the other end, a slight touch will have a foul called.



This brand of officiating is used to sway momentum of games OFTEN. It isnt JUST Miami getting the benefit. Games are being literally shaped BY THE OFFICIATING rather than the game ITSELF determining its own outcome. Know what im saying?

It's always been like that tho. Now because it's Miami you have people saying stat totals totals don't matter. How aggressive a player is doesn't matter. Who attacks more doesn't matter. You have people using "momentum" saying the refs are giving calls at certain times to players.

I understand why. Miami is by far the easiest sports team to hate. My dad barely follows the NBA and hates them. People's hate tricked them into believing the Thunder were the favorites.

I guess I just don't see any difference between this series and the Nuggets vs Lakers, or the Spurs vs OKC. Sometimes one team would get the benefit, other times the opposing team would. Calls get missed, calls get called wrong. It happens.

When you look at it without any sort of bias it didn't determine the outcome and in the end that's what I care about. Miami is up 3-1 because they were the better team. Not because of FT's or personal fouls. Not because refs gave them "momentum" but because they were better. James Harden not showing up. Westbrook fouling with 5 seconds left in the shotclock with 17 left in the game down 3. Ibaka not having as big of an impact. James actually showing up to the finals for the first time in his career. Shane Battier hitting his 3's. Mario Chalmers stepping up last night in an absurd way after playing like shit. OKC starting the games off slow, except last night and having to fight there way back into it.

[RRR3]

Hahaha the funniest thing about this Finals is it proves how much everyone hates LeBron.

Seriously.

Usually every Finals series, the team losing has their fans come out and complain about the officiating. That's not new. It happens every single year.

But this year, because LeBron is winning, this has stretched out to more than just the fans of OKC, it includes every person who hates LeBron and never wanted him to succeed. So even though this is one of the best officiated Finals that I can remember, people are calling it the worst since 06.

My favourite is the guy in here saying people who think the games are fine and the officiating has been level are the ones with agendas. How the hell is agreeing with what takes place an agenda. That's ****ing genius.
Naw that couldn't be it, man, you must be a LeBron homer!:lol

[RRR3]

Here's one from the last fixed NBA series. Way less contact. Won game 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8lct4Y2FQI



I actually agree that Durant probably commited an offensive foul here. There were 2-3 ridiculous calls against him to get him to his fifth. Officials almost NEVER call a 6th foul here. The same thing with Lebron's power dribble move in the middle of the lane. Is it a travel? Yes. Do they call that in the NBA? Not usually.




Few dumb fouls. Agreed. But a majority have just been ridiclous. I mean did you see that fourth foul he got on Wade in game 3? And you can't honestly tell me that Durant is playing more physical defense than Lebron. Lebron is holding/muscling him on almost every possession he defends Durant. Yet only one player has been in foul trouble this series. Durant.
I'm not going to argue this with you, man, because we both believe what we saw is right and I doubt either of us will be convinced otherwise.

[NuggetsFan]

For the record I understand completely people having a problem with the NBA. It's biased towards superstars, players are constantly flopping and the sport already by itself is extremely hard to ref. College basketball doesn't have issues because superstars don't get calls and it hasn't became as much of a flop show than the current NBA, which really is a massive problem. Watching Wade\Harden is just painful at times.

It's kinda always been like that tho. So my problem lies with people crying over this series but not caring about anything else. Where was the outrage last year when the NBA apologized for missing an offensive goaltend in the Nuggets\OKC series? NBA literally came out with an apology. People didn't give a f*ck. 3 years ago it was no different than today. Except for flopping, that's hit a new low IMO.

Don't like it. Don't watch. Change the channel. I feel like the players still decide the games and while the reffing can have a big impact like in any basketball game it isn't big enough to decide 99% of the games\series.

[AK47DR91]

just like there are plenty saying that people complaing are idiots

it works both ways
Honestly, I haven't seen any media talk about any kind of bad officiating. Only on this message board. I bet if the 3-1 lead is the other way around nobody would be bitching about it.

I hate LeBron and hopes they choke the next three games but I'm not going to discredit what he and his teammates have done so far. LeBron is unstoppable right now and his supporting cast are stepping up in the right moment and time.

It's been a great series of 4 games so far, hopefully we get 3 more...if Harden decides not to be a scrub anymore.

[NumberSix]

I was so happy to see LeBron pull a flop job on Derek Fisher last night. This niqqa Fisher actually had the nerve to give the King a dirty look for flopping on his ass. Lol.

[TheBluest]

Find me a game where Lebron shot 25-30+FGA and only went to the line 2 times while being in attack mode at the rim nearly all game....


For the record


Lebron and Wade break down goes as follows


FTA

First Series
11.4/6.0

Second Series
8.3/8.8

Third Series
11.4/6.1

Fourth Series
9.4/7.8


WestBrook and Durant are averaging their lowest attempts avg during the playoffs at the stripe against the Heat.


WestBrook has only taken a total of 5FTA Games 3 and 4

Durant has only taken a total of of 13FTA Games 3 and 4


LOL @ Westbrook only taking 5FTA total the way he plays

[oh the horror]

For the record I understand completely people having a problem with the NBA. It's biased towards superstars, players are constantly flopping and the sport already by itself is extremely hard to ref. College basketball doesn't have issues because superstars don't get calls and it hasn't became as much of a flop show than the current NBA, which really is a massive problem. Watching Wade\Harden is just painful at times.

It's kinda always been like that tho. So my problem lies with people crying over this series but not caring about anything else. Where was the outrage last year when the NBA apologized for missing an offensive goaltend in the Nuggets\OKC series? NBA literally came out with an apology. People didn't give a f*ck. 3 years ago it was different than today. Except for flopping, that's hit a new low IMO.

Don't like it. Don't watch. Change the channel. I feel like the players still decide the games and while the reffing can have a big impact like in any basketball game it isn't big enough to decide 99% of the games\series.


This series is emphasized more for several reasons.


You have a handful of several star players who ALWAYS get funny calls in their favor in this series...thus, its magnified just how ridiculous the officiating has been while watching guys like Harden, Wade (floppers) and Durant, Lebron, etc etc etc.


Two, people just cant stand the Heat. So that's that.


This isnt new man....people have been progressively complaining more, and more and more as it has become painfully overly obvious that the NBA is the worst officiated league out there.

[pmj]

Game 4 Stats

Russell WestBrook 20-32fg

The majority of his attempts were on penetration drives at the rim

Russell WestBrook 3-3FTA<---------LMFAO


So that's 32fga at a minimum 16 of them were at the rim and he only was called to the line 2 times

Trick yourself into thinking you aren't be Tricked Off by the NBA

I keep seeing people say this, but can someone please list and show what fouls should have been called?

I was keeping up with the game thread the whole game and I don't remember any outcry for calls on his drives, and I don't remember Westbrook crying for calls himself either on his drives ( although I do remember him doing it on some of his Js). The guy was really blowing by his man and the helper too.

[tastystaci]

For the record I understand completely people having a problem with the NBA. It's biased towards superstars, players are constantly flopping and the sport already by itself is extremely hard to ref. College basketball doesn't have issues because superstars don't get calls and it hasn't became as much of a flop show than the current NBA, which really is a massive problem. Watching Wade\Harden is just painful at times.

It's kinda always been like that tho. So my problem lies with people crying over this series but not caring about anything else. Where was the outrage last year when the NBA apologized for missing an offensive goaltend in the Nuggets\OKC series? NBA literally came out with an apology. People didn't give a f*ck. 3 years ago it was no different than today. Except for flopping, that's hit a new low IMO.

Don't like it. Don't watch. Change the channel. I feel like the players still decide the games and while the reffing can have a big impact like in any basketball game it isn't big enough to decide 99% of the games\series.

When teams are this evenly matched, officiating can 100% decide games. I honestly believe that the Thunder are the better team in this series, and with even officiating, with home court, there is no way they could lose this series in my opinion. This hasn't been officiated evenly, therefore the Thunder are down 1-3. And I saw that Nuggets game. It was ridiculous, was a bad call, but that was just a bang-bang play that was blown. When it's EVERY questionable call going one way, for an entire series, then it's a different story. Game 4 in this series was an atrocity in my opinion.

[NumberSix]

Find me a game where Lebron shot 25-30+FGA and only went to the line 2 times while being in attack mode at the rim nearly all game....


For the record


Lebron and Wade break down goes as follows


FTA

First Series
11.4/6.0

Second Series
8.3/8.8

Third Series
11.4/6.1

Fourth Series
9.4/7.8


WestBrook and Durant are averaging their lowest attempts avg during the playoffs at the stripe against the Heat.


WestBrook has only taken a total of 5FTA Games 3 and 4

Durant has only taken a total of of 13FTA Games 3 and 4


LOL @ Westbrook only taking 5FTA total the way he plays
Yeah, LeBron and Wade get fouled. We all know this.

You don't want Wade going to the line? Stop biting pump-fakes. You'll be alright.

LeBron, lol. Teams are blatantly fouling this guy on purpose. What's to complain about. His doesn't even go to the line as much as he should. They let plenty of foul slide when it's LeBron because he's so strong and finishes anyway.

[NuggetsFan]

This series is emphasized more for several reasons.

Two, people just cant stand the Heat. So that's that.


painfully overly obvious that the NBA is the worst officiated league out there.

We really agree on these two things. I think people just really can't stand the Heat winning and rightfully so because for the 10th time they are what's wrong with the NBA and LeBron James has just done so much to make you actually dislike him without knowing him.

Without a doubt the NBA is. Has to do with the sport. Basketball is harder to ref than football, hockey, soccer etc. and the reffing has more an impact on the game. Throw in the players actually legit trying to trick the refs more so than score at times and the superstar bias and you have yourself the NBA.

Hasn't change much to me tho. In 2004 it was mostly the same sans alot of the flopping. LeBron\Wade always got more calls earlier on than Carmelo did. Carmelo get more calls in '06 than your average SF. Back in '08 Kobe got more love than J.R Smith. Today it's the same.

Games are still decided by the playoffs IMO tho. Miami is up because of how they played and not the refs. Just like OKC advanced through out the playoffs due to their play and not the superstar bias they receive.

[tastystaci]

I keep seeing people say this, but can someone please list and show what fouls should have been called?

I was keeping up with the game thread the whole game and I don't remember any outcry for calls on his drives, and I don't remember Westbrook crying for calls himself either on his drives ( although I do remember him doing it on some of his Js). The guy was really blowing by his man and the helper too.

At the end of the third Westbrook hit a jumper, chalmers ran into his leg. No foul. And he was not getting uncontested layups. He was finishing over 2-3 guys on every finish. There was contact on any/all of these. Plays that Lebron and Wade are getting and ones with on more than one occasion.

[NumberSix]

At the end of the third Westbrook hit a jumper, chalmers ran into his leg. No foul. And he was not getting uncontested layups. He was finishing over 2-3 guys on every finish. There was contact on any/all of these. Plays that Lebron and Wade are getting and ones with on more than one occasion.
This kid says Westbrook got fouled on EVERY jump shot he took. :roll:

Obvious agenda exposed.

[NuggetsFan]

When teams are this evenly matched, officiating can 100% decide games. I honestly believe that the Thunder are the better team in this series, and with even officiating, with home court, there is no way they could lose this series in my opinion. This hasn't been officiated evenly, therefore the Thunder are down 1-3. And I saw that Nuggets game. It was ridiculous, was a bad call, but that was just a bang-bang play that was blown. When it's EVERY questionable call going one way, for an entire series, then it's a different story. Game 4 in this series was an atrocity in my opinion.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think Harden not showing up, Ibaka not having a big impact, OKC starting off slow. James actually showing up for once and the Heat just playing very well overall and good D is the reason for the 3-1 lead, not the refs.

When the becomes not the case and I believe what you believe I'll stop watching the NBA. Whenever I feel like that it's usually because I have tons of bias. Nuggets, teams I hate etc. Going into this series I've actually tried to make a point of being unbiased because after seeing everybody label OKC the favorites it was just kinda crazy. Teams were pretty evenly matched yet people said OKC would win.

[pmj]

At the end of the third Westbrook hit a jumper, chalmers ran into his leg. No foul. And he was not getting uncontested layups. He was finishing over 2-3 guys on every finish. There was contact on any/all of these. Plays that Lebron and Wade are getting and ones with on more than one occasion.

Steve Javie called that EXACT play Westbrook kicking his leg out on Sportscenter bro, then talked about how Reggie Miller used to do it and refs try not to get fooled by that.

[tastystaci]

This kid says Westbrook got fouled on EVERY jump shot he took. :roll:

Obvious agenda exposed.

You're a real life troll.

I was talking about the finishes...at the rim :facepalm

I brought up the obvious jump shot, because he got drilled by Chalmers after his release and complained to the officials about it. Please STFU now.

[TheBluest]

Why a minimum of 16 of them? A figure you pulled out of your ass, or is that an actual figure?

One OFFICIAL stat is that Russell Westbrook made 7 baskets driving to the rim (same as LeBron). Watching the game I saw him make PLENTY of pull up J's. And missing a fair few as well.


No TARD

Shots taken 10-12ft and/or in the paint by Westbrook make or miss


http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=320619014


1rst qrt Westbrook

1ft jumper
1ft jumper
4ft jumper
12ft jumper
13ft jumper


2nd qrt Westbrook

1ft jumper
1ft jumper


3rd qrt Westbrook

1ft jumper
1ft jumper
9ft jumper
10ft jumper


4th qrt Westbrook

1ft jumper
1ft jumper
1ft jumper
2ft jumper
7ft jumper
8ft jumper


That's about 17FGA by my count all within the teeth of a defense. He only went to the line 2 times. 1 for an and And1 and the other for a mercy/sympathy call



DISGRACEFUL!

[pmj]

At the end of the third Westbrook hit a jumper, chalmers ran into his leg. No foul. And he was not getting uncontested layups. He was finishing over 2-3 guys on every finish. There was contact on any/all of these. Plays that Lebron and Wade are getting and ones with on more than one occasion.

And you didn't list any drives you thought he got fouled on, are you really gonna claim "any/all" were fouls? I'm being serious when I say I read almost every comment during the game in the game thread, and I don't remember one asking where a call was on his drive, and I don't remember JVG saying anything, or Westbrook for that matter.

[tastystaci]

Steve Javie called that EXACT play Westbrook kicking his leg out on Sportscenter bro, then talked about how Reggie Miller used to do it and refs try not to get fooled by that.

I was responding to a guy who said Westbrook hadn't complained about any particluar calls. He DID stick his leg out, and they're was a lot of contact by Chalmers. Could have easily been a foul call. In that same quarter, Wade pump faked Harden who was actually avoiding the contact, Wade throws himself into Harden(with still little/no contact) and he's awarded two because he flops around like a wet f****ing fish.

[tpols]

The differential isnt the story. I question the way the game is being called. Ive watched several plays throughout this series where one player will get away with absolutely mugging another player, and then on the other end, a slight touch will have a foul called.



This brand of officiating is used to sway momentum of games OFTEN. It isnt JUST Miami getting the benefit. Games are being literally shaped BY THE OFFICIATING rather than the game ITSELF determining its own outcome. Know what im saying?
COMPLETELY see this.

And it aint just with Miami here.. it's in general. Players are being confused as to what is and isnt a foul and arent able to play against each other to their fullest abilities.

One play a player will get bumped attacking the rim and a foul will be called, so the player from the opposing team does the same thing at the other end but doesnt get the call.. which of course causes frustration to ensue in the form of complaining and short term decreased motivation which gives the other team a better chance of scoring AGAIN. In close games 4-6 point swings like this can decide the direction of the game.

I remember a charging foul on Lebron in game 5 of the Finals last year with under a minute to go that could have easily been called an and 1( he made it) in other situations.. Miami would have had a much much bigger chance at winning that pivotal game if calls were consistent with what Lebron was used to. It makes players look worse or better than they are.

[tastystaci]

And you didn't list any drives you thought he got fouled on, are you really gonna claim "any/all" were fouls? I'm being serious when I say I read almost every comment during the game in the game thread, and I don't remember one asking where a call was on his drive, and I don't remember JVG saying anything, or Westbrook for that matter.

I didn't say every one should have been fouls. I said everyone COULD have been foul calls. He was getting contact, natural contact that somebody attacking the rim would recieve and any one of these could have been easily called and IMO more than one of them would have if it was Lebron or Wade. And actually Mike Breen did make a comment towards the end of the game. Something like, "I can't believe this is the first time he's going to the line the way he's been attacking. Very strange."

[pmj]

I was responding to a guy who said Westbrook hadn't complained about any particluar calls. He DID stick his leg out, and they're was a lot of contact by Chalmers. Could have easily been a foul call. In that same quarter, Wade pump faked Harden who was actually avoiding the contact, Wade throws himself into Harden(with still little/no contact) and he's awarded two because he flops around like a wet f****ing fish.

No I said I don't remember Westbrook complaining for fouls on any of his drives. Look, I'm sure he did get hit on a drive or two, I'm simply saying I don't remember anyone saying something about it during the game, like say, after a miss.

[pmj]

I didn't say every one should have been fouls. I said everyone COULD have been foul calls. He was getting contact, natural contact that somebody attacking the rim would recieve and any one of these could have been easily called and IMO more than one of them would have if it was Lebron or Wade. And actually Mike Breen did make a comment towards the end of the game. Something like, "I can't believe this is the first time he's going to the line the way he's been attacking. Very strange."

Yes but on ANY specific drive, did JVG, or any reporter, or any poster here for that matter, say for instance "refs missed Russel getting hacked", "how is that a no call", etc? BC I honestly can't remember it once on drives.

I agree the numbers statistically, are off, but you can't solely go off that.

[NumberSix]

You're a real life troll.

I was talking about the finishes...at the rim :facepalm

I brought up the obvious jump shot, because he got drilled by Chalmers after his release and complained to the officials about it. Please STFU now.
:hammertime:3-1. U MAD:hammertime:


LeBron haters before: "Stats don't matter, only chips".

LeBron haters now: "This chip is fraudulent. Look at these stats"

[LBJMVP]

:hammertime:3-1. U MAD:hammertime:


LeBron haters before: "Stats don't matter, only chips".

LeBron haters now: "This chip is fraudulent. Look at these stats"


your a piece of shit bandwagon fan.

[NumberSix]

your a piece of shit bandwagon fan.
I like your name.

[G-train]

Yes but on ANY specific drive, did JVG, or any reporter, or any poster here for that matter, say for instance "refs missed Russel getting hacked", "how is that a no call", etc? BC I honestly can't remember it once on drives.

I agree the numbers statistically, are off, but you can't solely go off that.

Agreed.

[LBJMVP]

I like your name.

and im a fan of cleveland and hate miami, whats you point?

[NumberSix]

and im a fan of cleveland and hate miami, whats you point?
Was "I like your name" not clear?

[LBJMVP]

Was "I like your name" not clear?


you point is that im not a piece of shit bandwagon fan like you?

[NumberSix]

you point is that im not a piece of shit bandwagon fan like you?
My point is that I like your name. Don't read to deeply into it.

Not really sure how I'm a "bandwagon fan" but whatever. To each his own.

You're right though. LBJ is the MVP.

[LBJMVP]

My point is that I like your name. Don't read to deeply into it.

Not really sure how I'm a "bandwagon fan" but whatever. To each his own.

You're right though. LBJ is the MVP.

my name stands for lyndon b johnson most valuable president.

[tastystaci]

you point is that im not a piece of shit bandwagon fan like you?

Hilarious.

Even guys who should like you hate you number6.

The life of a troll

[NumberSix]

my name stands for lyndon b johnson most valuable president.
Sweet.

[AK47DR91]

my name stands for lyndon b johnson most valuable president.
:roll:

[LBJMVP]

Hilarious.

Even guys who should like you hate you number6.

The life of a troll

why should i like him?

i dont like miami, im a cavaiers fan

[tastystaci]

why should i like him?

i dont like miami, im a cavaiers fan

Because he wants to have Lebron's baby. And you are/were a big Lebron fan. On paper you should be friends :cheers:

[NumberSix]

Because he wants to have Lebron's baby. And you are/were a big Lebron fan. On paper you should be friends :cheers:
Believe it or not, he is a legit Cavs fan and I'm a LeBron fan BECAUSE he joined the Heat, not a Heat fan because LeBron went there.

[comerb]

what's so fantastic about shooting 47% where 90% of those FGs are layups?

Because he's getting those layups.

You don't get bonus points for taking shit low percentage shots out of the paint, regardless of what Kobetards pretend.

[dunksby]

my name stands for lyndon b johnson most valuable president.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tumblr_m5ahh6LzAr1qztwte.gif

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/W7Tcv.gif

[LBJ_MVP09]

OKC gets the most bias/BS calls I have ever seen in game 6 of the SAS/OKC series, half of ISH says that the butthurt Spurs fans are just mad.

MIA gets away with a few calls here and a few calls there (as did the Thunder, but not as many), half of ISH says Stern is rigging the game for MIA and OKC has no chance. Riiiiiiiiight.

The trolls could at least try and seem like their not just bias heat haters.

[gilalizard]

LeBron has played great, at times, and many times this year. No question. Much of the signs of immaturity and mental weakness he's shown in the past have been lessened. Good for him, maybe he's growing up.

But the simple fact is, it is impossible to judge how truly great he is, because he is so favored by the officiating. He gets to play hyper aggressive on both O and D, and is held to an even more lax status that your ordinary "superstar". He's in a class by himself when it comes to receiving ref favoritism.

It taints the league. It taints the results of games and series. And it taints LeBron's own legacy, because I guarantee you how Miami "won" this series (through some of the most blatantly biased, if not THE most blatantly biased, officiating in Finals history), will not be forgotten. Nor will it stopped being talked about.

LeBron has a generational talent. I've criticized him a lot for his mental weakness. But he's shown signs he's maturing this year, and I applaud him for it. Unfortunately for his legacy, he also has received more favoritism than potentially anyone in the history of the game. And this must be spoken of by fans who want legitimate competition, not WWE-style entertainment.

Now pile on all that the 06 levels of dwhistles we've seen, and this finals have become a farce. Kabuki theatre. Even the audiences in kabuki know the outcome of the show, yet they pretend to be shocked and surprised, and play-act like it is genuine.

That is this year's finals. Pretending it's legit.

It's shameful for the league and it taints LeBron James' legacy to receive so much bias.

[Dictator]

LeBron has played great, at times, and many times this year. No question. Much of the signs of immaturity and mental weakness he's shown in the past have been lessened. Good for him, maybe he's growing up.

But the simple fact is, it is impossible to judge how truly great he is, because he is so favored by the officiating. He gets to play hyper aggressive on both O and D, and is held to an even more lax status that your ordinary "superstar". He's in a class by himself when it comes to receiving ref favoritism.

It taints the league. It taints the results of games and series. And it taints LeBron's own legacy, because I guarantee you how Miami "won" this series (through some of the most blatantly biased, if not THE most blatantly biased, officiating in Finals history), will not be forgotten. Nor will it stopped being talked about.

LeBron has a generational talent. I've criticized him a lot for his mental weakness. But he's shown signs he's maturing this year, and I applaud him for it. Unfortunately for his legacy, he also has received more favoritism than potentially anyone in the history of the game. And this must be spoken of by fans who want legitimate competition, not WWE-style entertainment.

Now pile on all that the 06 levels of dwhistles we've seen, and this finals have become a farce. Kabuki theatre. Even the audiences in kabuki know the outcome of the show, yet they pretend to be shocked and surprised, and play-act like it is genuine.

That is this year's finals. Pretending it's legit.

It's shameful for the league and it taints LeBron James' legacy to receive so much bias.

:lol :roll: :oldlol: I lol'ed

[gilalizard]

:lol :roll: :oldlol: I lol'ed

:cheers:

[markymark]

LeBron has played great, at times, and many times this year. No question. Much of the signs of immaturity and mental weakness he's shown in the past have been lessened. Good for him, maybe he's growing up.

But the simple fact is, it is impossible to judge how truly great he is, because he is so favored by the officiating. He gets to play hyper aggressive on both O and D, and is held to an even more lax status that your ordinary "superstar". He's in a class by himself when it comes to receiving ref favoritism.

It taints the league. It taints the results of games and series. And it taints LeBron's own legacy, because I guarantee you how Miami "won" this series (through some of the most blatantly biased, if not THE most blatantly biased, officiating in Finals history), will not be forgotten. Nor will it stopped being talked about.

LeBron has a generational talent. I've criticized him a lot for his mental weakness. But he's shown signs he's maturing this year, and I applaud him for it. Unfortunately for his legacy, he also has received more favoritism than potentially anyone in the history of the game. And this must be spoken of by fans who want legitimate competition, not WWE-style entertainment.

Now pile on all that the 06 levels of dwhistles we've seen, and this finals have become a farce. Kabuki theatre. Even the audiences in kabuki know the outcome of the show, yet they pretend to be shocked and surprised, and play-act like it is genuine.

That is this year's finals. Pretending it's legit.

It's shameful for the league and it taints LeBron James' legacy to receive so much bias.

100% agree. Miami-OKC was practically written in stone even before the lockout ended.

[madmax]

Yeah, LeBron and Wade get fouled. We all know this.

You don't want Wade going to the line? Stop biting pump-fakes. You'll be alright.

LeBron, lol. Teams are blatantly fouling this guy on purpose. What's to complain about. His doesn't even go to the line as much as he should. They let plenty of foul slide when it's LeBron because he's so strong and finishes anyway.

this:applause:
It's funny how these crybabies have no trouble with Lebron being constantly hacked in the paint without anything being called, but immediatelly start whining when the same shit happens to some less strong/athletic player. Why should Durant/Kobe be favoured in this instance just because they can't do athletic moves like Lebron can? Is it Bron's fault that he's so strong and can finish even with massive contact? Please...

[tastystaci]

this:applause:
It's funny how these crybabies have no trouble with Lebron being constantly hacked in the paint without anything being called, but immediatelly start whining when the same shit happens to some less strong/athletic player. Why should Durant/Kobe be favoured in this instance just because they can't do athletic moves like Lebron can? Is it Bron's fault that he's so strong and can finish even with massive contact? Please...

It's funny how the only people that think this have a Lebron avatar :oldlol:

[ILLsmak]

quick question:

any of you guys tried to ref a game?

i did a little bit, and its really tough, cant imagine what its like with the pace of an nba game

I don't think it's that hard... lol. It might be hard if you're a 70 year old man.

I can make consistent calls on TV. I think it'd be even better to have the refs watching the game on TV. Have one ref down there to be there and hand the ball to the team, throw the tip, and then do the rest from TV. It's so much easier to tell what happens.

I'd say I'm almost flawless with calls. Sometimes I see a replay and I'm like oh... shit. But people always travel and it never gets called. I don't think they need to call every foul, either.

Basically, if there is off ball contact it shouldn't be a foul. But if someone is consistently using it to gain an advantage, then you call a foul and tell them to cut the bullshit. I dunno why people have to act like shit is so hard.

As I said before, if you are going to the rim hard then it's hard to say a body foul is a foul unless it sends you backward the other way. People can't be driving and then getting touch fouls, how is that fair?

And if someone is shooting and you touch their hand on the follow through that's a foul. You can't just slap people after they shoot. The only time I'd say you are allowed to slap someone's arm is after you already blocked the ball. That's where the "hand is part of the ball" rule comes into play.

The problem we have with the game is it's officiated so certain teams and certain players will perform well. You might say that doesn't count as rigged, but to me it is... if those guys are the best players, why do they need help? I'd rather have the highest scorer in the NBA be averaging 20 ppg on 43% shooting and have games that I could say the better team always won.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

this:applause:
It's funny how these crybabies have no trouble with Lebron being constantly hacked in the paint without anything being called, but immediatelly start whining when the same shit happens to some less strong/athletic player. Why should Durant/Kobe be favoured in this instance just because they can't do athletic moves like Lebron can? Is it Bron's fault that he's so strong and can finish even with massive contact? Please...

heh, I think it's more because he CREATES the contact, like I said above. If someone is going in for a lay up and gets crushed it's more of a foul than someone who powers up through someone.

I've not seen LeBron get hammered many times. He might get slapped on the wrist or pushed in the back the same way everyone else does, but don't act like people are hitting him with contact that disrupts his path to the hoop. Should they be punished for being in the way? That's kind of encouraging flopping. If someone is there and they are trying to stop the shot and someone jumps through them, is that a foul? I personally don't think it is. If anything, it's a no call.

But whatever... that's why I don't watch the shit often.

-Smak