Franchise's All-2000s Team Tournament

[IceMan2]

I have an idea. We 1st create All-00s Teams for every franchise in the NBA. Basically for each team, we have their best players from the 00s decade.

Then I will run a min-tournament (playoff style) with each team and we will have a winner! The tournament will be run using the WhatifSports simulator. This thing usually does a good job simulating games. Now some of you might complain that this may not be that accurate from previous experience, but here is why this will work perfect!

1) They have made improvments from before
2) The main problem sometimes is the Def rating of a player maybe too high or too low. But here, we have some control over that since we get to pick the particular season of a player and we can choose one that has a fair defensive rating
3) Also, we pick EACH player on the team, so we can control things like: Pick a high rebounding year for this player, pick an efficient year for this player, pick a high passing year for this player, and make the team exactly the way we want it.
4) We control minutes for each player too

Overall, this method will give VERY HIGH accuracy results imo. And you know, play-by-play for each game will be available, along with box scores, etc. So it will be kind of fun to see!


Where I will need help:

1) Creating each team. I am going to start threads here and there getting help to create the All-Decade team for a particular franchise. Fans and knowledable posters of the team can pick who should be on the team, what type of role that player should play (so pick which season), the starting line-up, the minutes, etc. I will create a thread asking for the All-Decade team of 4 franchises at a time and we will work from there.
2) Simming games maybe? Also to ensure that I do give the 1st results and don’t fix anything, there will be ways people can check that so its all genuine.



Questions and comments can be posted in this thread! This will also be the main thread where all the updates will be given. Start imagining all the teams and matchups that could be present in this tournament!

[IGotACoolStory]

If you are willing to do the work (sim and posting the results), I'm positive a lot of people will help you with the teams.

I'll help if I can.

[B-Low]

Reading lots of words intimidates me so based on the thread topic I'll just ask this

Are we doing 5 man teams or full 12 man teams?

[IceMan2]

Reading lots of words intimidates me so based on the thread topic I'll just ask this

Are we doing 5 man teams or full 12 man teams?
there are a lot of details unspecified yet, all the OP says is there will be a franchise 00s tournament


But 12 man teams (of course). And for each matchup you can make adjustments based on ur 12 man roster

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Assuming you can only have the player when they played for the team? So I can't have 2003 KG on an all-2000s Celtics team?

On that premise, the starters are fairly obvious:

2008-09 Rajon Rondo
2007-08 Ray Allen
2005-06 Paul Pierce
2007-08 Kevin Garnett
2006-07 Al Jefferson

Perhaps I'm missing a PG who isn't jumping out at me (as Rondo was not at his best until a couple of seasons later) and maybe a Centre, but Al Jeff averaged 16/11 that year. Hard to think of anyone else who made a massive contribution at centre for the Celtics.

EDIT: OK, re-read and I'd have to do a little more research to sort this out for everyone's best scoring, rebounding year etc. And also the other 7 players, though I imagine you'd see 2002-03 'Toine as 6th man.

[IceMan2]

Assuming you can only have the player when they played for the team? So I can't have 2003 KG on an all-2000s Celtics team?


Yep


On that premise, the starters are fairly obvious:

2008-09 Rajon Rondo
2007-08 Ray Allen
2005-06 Paul Pierce
2007-08 Kevin Garnett
2006-07 Al Jefferson

Perhaps I'm missing a PG who isn't jumping out at me (as Rondo was not at his best until a couple of seasons later) and maybe a Centre, but Al Jeff averaged 16/11 that year. Hard to think of anyone else who made a massive contribution at centre for the Celtics.

EDIT: OK, re-read and I'd have to do a little more research to sort this out for everyone's best scoring, rebounding year etc. And also the other 7 players, though I imagine you'd see 2002-03 'Toine as 6th man.

But remember, there will be entire threads dedicated to 4 teams at a time, and thats when a decade team will be constructed for the franchise


Right now its just question/comment time. For example, yes, the player season you pick for a team has to have that player playing for that team

[IceMan2]

Also, I will be able to do a lot of team roster input, its just the 8-12th men that I might need help with, just figuring out what type of role-players a team needs to be "complete" which team experts can help with

[Boston C's]

PG: Gary Payton 2001-2002
SG: Ray Allen 2004-2005
SF: Rashard Lewis 2006-2007
PF:
C:

we have had a horrible frontcourt for most of the decade so idk how i can fill out the rest of the sonics team lol

[LockoutOver11]

the 2004-05 detriot pistons. no change. this time, we win the title in game seven.

[IceMan2]

Alrite im gonna start making individual franchise decade team threads, we will do about 3-4 teams/thread

[iamgine]

Miami

99-00 Payton
08-09 Wade
06-07 Marion
99-00 Mourning
99-00 Shaq

[IceMan2]

Miami

99-00 Payton
08-09 Wade
06-07 Marion
99-00 Mourning
99-00 Shaq

Besides for already having said that the player has to have played from that franchise that particular season...


Can we jus apply common sense? We are creating FRANCHISE TEAMS so obviously that player should have played for that FRANCHISE for whichever season you pick him :hammerhead:


For example, when you create an All-Time Lakers Team, do you include 67 Wilt from the sixers? No. So why would you include players from other franchises in a Decade All-Franchise Team? :confusedshrug:

[L8k3r5]

Lakers

PG:Gary Payton 2003-04
SG:Kobe Bryant 2007-08
SF:Trevor Ariza 2008-09
PF:Pau Gasol 2009-10
C: Shaq 1999-00

[D-Wade316]

'12 Chalmers
'09 Wade
'12 Lebron
'12 Bosh
'00 Mourning

[IceMan2]

^^^ Guys there are now threads dedicated to creating the teams. Please post your thoughts on analysis there! Thanks :)

PS: Its only for 00-09 years (last decade)

[IGotACoolStory]

Why 3 teams per thread? Purely organizational reasons?

I would have considered 5 per and just go by divisions. 10 total threads seems a bit much. Although I understand that some of the threads might get lost in conversation.

[IceMan2]

Why 3 teams per thread? Purely organizational reasons?

I would have considered 5 per and just go by divisions. 10 total threads seems a bit much. Although I understand that some of the threads might get lost in conversation.
Well each thread will have different conversations going on it (based on which team), so I think 3-4 should be the limit on how many different conversations/thread. But it will be 3-4, and they will be posted sequentially (so after we have the teams set for these 3 teams, we can move on)

[Legends66NBA7]

Can't wait to get to the Raptors. That should be fun.

:oldlol:

[IceMan2]

Can't wait to get to the Raptors. That should be fun.

:oldlol:

Yep lol. I see a solid team though, Prime VC + Bosh is legit.

[IceMan2]

In case people haven't noticed:

Lakers, Bulls, and Knicks teams are in the process of creation

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268679

[Thorn]

Lakers:

PG: '01 Fisher/'04 Payton

Not many choices here as it's been mostly Fish/Payton with some Ron Harper and Shaw. Let's not go with Smush Parker either. '01 Fish had a broken foot for most of the regular season (missed 62 games) but was on fire from 3 in the '01 playoffs, and he's valuable in spacing the floor for Kobe's drives and Shaq's post play. '04 Payton can run an offense and still had something left in the tank, though he wasn't very great in the triangle. Still, given the other choices, he's easily the best.

SG: '01 Kobe/'10 Brown

I have '01 Kobe over MVP '08 Kobe for this team because in '01 he was willing to defer to Shaq and IMO reached the best balance of scoring, defense, playmaking, and rebounding this year - his dicing of the Blazers, Spurs, and Kings is a testament to that. Although in '08 he was elite in defense, playmaking, etc, I'm not sure if he would be willing to defer to Shaq. '10 Shannon Brown could be for outside shooting and spacing, as Fisher.

SF: '10 Artest/'01 Rick Fox

Artest still had something left in the tank, able to body up large forwards (such as the Pierces and Lebrons) and defend them well. Scoring isn't needed from him, really, though he was still an okay offensive player at this point. '01 Fox would be good for smothering shooters as we saw in the '01 WCSF when he essentially suffocated Peja, plus he was a hustle guy, diving for loose balls, getting offensive rebounds, and proving some scoring with threes and layups.

PF: '10 Pau/'04 Malone

Pau provides a decent mid-range game, defense, passing, and would defer easily to Kobe and Shaq. When Shaq takes a rest LAL can move him to the 5 and get his ass in the post. '04 Malone was an excellent fit in the triangle, one of the best pick-setters in the game, still a great, durable rebounder, and hitting mid range jumpers.

C: '00 Shaq/'08 Bynum

'00 Shaq is an easy choice, pretty much obliterating everyone that season. He was at his peak, both defensively and offensively. Shaq gets the opposing frontline in foul trouble, puts up 30/15, must be doubled at all times, and gets Fish, Kobe, Pau open shots all game long. FTs are a little shaky, but with Kobe and Pau, it's not quite as bad. As for Bynum, although he got injured and was lost for the playoffs, he was putting up great numbers before the Pau trade and showed flashes of brilliance and dominance. This is also before his ego expanded so I imagine that Phil would be able to get him to commit to defense.

11th/12th guys: '09 Odom - excellent in the playoffs, very versatile, can handle the ball, defend, rebound, drive, shoot the three. Fills in any need that the Lakers have and can exploit matchups well. '01 Madsen - every team needs a Scal-like player and Madsen was the Scal of the first half of the 00s.

Coach: '00 Phil Jackson. Just a flat out unbelievable coaching job that year.

Strengths: Shaq provides the best post play in the league and gets everyone in foul trouble, Kobe's playmaking and shooting are elite, Pau, Shaq, Bynum, Odom, Malone are all good/great rebounders with Payton and Kobe being good rebounding guards. Starting lineup is pretty versatile defensively and offensively.

Weaknesses: Quick PGs will light up Fish and probably Payton as well, though Kobe can defend them if he needs to. Shaq's FT troubles could hurt in crunch time though with Kobe and Pau they'll be great in endgame anyway. Kobe might try to go hero mode (though I picked '01 Kobe because he seems least likely to go hero mode that year).

[Legends66NBA7]

Yep lol. I see a solid team though, Prime VC + Bosh is legit.

Yeah, that will be solid.

Also, young T-Mac in the fold and we got a pretty nice unit.

[TimmyDuncan]

Spurs

08-09 Parker
04-05 Ginobili
04-05 Bowen
02-03 Duncan
99-00 Robinson

6th man : 04-05 Horry

[clipps]

Clippers (Here b4 Clippfan86)

C) All-Star Chris Kaman
F) Rookie Blake Griffin
F) 2000-2001 Lamar Odom
G) 2003-2004 Quentin Richardson
G) 2011-2012 Chris Paul

Bench
C) 2001-2002 Michael Olowokandi (He actually wasn't bad. He had a nice defensive presence, developed a decent jump hook and was never intimidated by the likes of Shaq)
F) Drew Gooden
F) Caron Butler
G) 2000-2001 Eric Piatkowski
G) Sam Cassel

[IceMan2]

Guys i appreciate all the commments for teams, but htere will be individual threads dedicated to the teams, so the teams for Spurs, Clippers, etc. will be decided later .

Right now its the LAKERS, KNICKS, and BULLS

[Myth]

Blazers:

2001-02 Damon Stoudamire
2008-09 Brandon Roy
1999-00 Scottie Pippen
2000-01 Rasheed Wallace
1999-00 Arvydas Sabonis

Bench:
1999-00 Steve Smith
2006-07 Zach Randolph
2008-09 LaMarcus Aldridge
2003-04 Theo Ratliff
2001-02 Bonzi Wells
2006-07 Jarrett Jack
2004-05 Shareef Abdur-Rahim

[Myth]

Guys i appreciate all the commments for teams, but htere will be individual threads dedicated to the teams, so the teams for Spurs, Clippers, etc. will be decided later .


Sorry, I don't like waiting.

[IceMan2]

Sorry, I don't like waiting.
*sigh*

Blazers got depth though

[IceMan2]

3 Teams officially done:


All-00s Decade Lakers:


Starting Line-Up:

PG: Gary Payton
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Trevor Ariza
PF: Pau Gasol
C: Shaquille O'Neal


Bench: Lamar Odom
Bench: Caron Butler
Bench: Derek Fisher
Bench: Andrew Bynum
Bench: Robert Horry
Bench: Karl Malone
Bench: Rick Fox

Could be the favorite to win it all. Or I should say should, they after all did win the most titles the last decade. Kobe/Shaq/Gasol is definitely a very strong core, and they have solid players after that, deep bench too. Only weakness could be the PG position.



All-00s Decade Knicks:


Starting Line-Up:

PG: Stephon Marbury
SG: Allan Houston
SF: Latrell Spreewell
PF: David Lee
C: Patric Ewing

Bench: Marcus Camby
Bench: Zach Randolph
Bench: Wilson Chandler
Bench: Jamal Crawford
Bench: Kurt Thomas
Bench: Mark Jackson
Bench: Quentin Richardson

Like the decade went for NY, they have lots of pieces, but I'm not sure how they will fit together. Marbury is the PG, and then lots of big guys who can play. I left Ewing as the starter out of respect, but there will be a lot of other big men fighting for minutes. overall with all the moves they made at least their deep and have a lot of players who can play.



All-00s Decade Bulls:

Starting Line-Up:

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Ben Gordon
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Elton Brand
C: Ben Wallace


Bench: Kirk Hinrich
Bench: Jamal Crawford
Bench: Ron Artest
Bench: Tyson Chandler
Bench: Joakim Noah
Bench: Brad Miller
Bench: Andrei Noconi

The Bulls are probably going to be one of the youngest teams in this tournament. But I like them cuz they got many good defensive players like, Deng, Wallace, Chandler, Noah, Artest, Hinrich, etc. This could be a key to winning games. And they do have good offensive talent too, Brand, Rose, Gordon, etc.

[RaininTwos]

Yeah, that will be solid.

Also, young T-Mac in the fold and we got a pretty nice unit.

Plus an 01 Antonio Davis at C:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

JYD coming off the bench.

#coming for that number one spot

[IceMan2]

The next 4 teams threads starting soon, please post your teams in that thread. the teams will be:

Celtics
Blazers
Raptors
Jazz

[IceMan2]

Thread is made, post your teams for the Celtics, Blazers, Raptors ,and Jazz

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7471522&posted=1#post7471522

[Mr Know It All]

Clippers (Here b4 Clippfan86)

C) All-Star Chris Kaman
F) Rookie Blake Griffin
F) 2000-2001 Lamar Odom
G) 2003-2004 Quentin Richardson
G) 2011-2012 Chris Paul

Bench
C) 2001-2002 Michael Olowokandi (He actually wasn't bad. He had a nice defensive presence, developed a decent jump hook and was never intimidated by the likes of Shaq)
F) Drew Gooden
F) Caron Butler
G) 2000-2001 Eric Piatkowski
G) Sam Cassel

05-06 Elton Brand > Blake Griffin (Rookie or otherwise)

[IceMan2]

Btw just a heads up
Obviously its a tournament/playoff so each team will be given a seed. The seed will be determined based on your performance form the past decade.
The seeds will be announced after all teams are completed.

[LBJ 4 MVP]

Great idea here, excited to see how it all works out.

[IceMan2]

Great idea here, excited to see how it all works out.
I agree, i'm very interested to see how all these teams will matchup with each other and who will come victorious.

[Droid101]

'12 Chalmers
'09 Wade
'12 Lebron
'12 Bosh
'00 Mourning
2012 isn't in the 2000's.

99-00 until 09-10

[IceMan2]

2012 isn't in the 2000's.

99-00 until 09-10
Actually its 99-00 to 08-09....Including 09-10 would make it 11 years, a little more than a decade lol

[IceMan2]

As a heads-up, the next 4 teams we will work on will be posted tomm:

Suns
Grizzlies
76ers
Bobcats


Post your thoughts on those teams tomorrow in those threads.

[IceMan2]

Alrite the next 4 teams are up: Suns, Grizzlies, 76res, Bobcats

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268853

[IceMan2]

Alrite Suns, Bobcats, Grizzlies, and the 76ers are done.

Suns look like they have a dangerous team. Grizzlies and 76ers are solid, good mix of playrs. Bobcats just suck lol.

The next 4 teams will be:

Spurs
Clippers
Pacers
Hawks


Please wait till thread is posted and you can post your picks then

I will post a thread sometime tomorrow

[IceMan2]

Alrite Suns, Bobcats, Grizzlies, and the 76ers are done.

Suns look like they have a dangerous team. Grizzlies and 76ers are solid, good mix of playrs. Bobcats just suck lol.

The next 4 teams will be:

Spurs
Clippers
Pacers
Hawks


Please wait till thread is posted and you can post your picks then

I will post a thread sometime tomorrow

Thread is out!
http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268965

[IceMan2]

Alrite, Spurs, Clippers, Pacer,and Hawks are completed.

Spurs obviously look good as they are the only other multi-championship winner. Pacers seem like another deep team who as someone mentioned could be a 'dark horse'. Clippers have potential, lot of talent on PGs and big men. Things seem to have worked out for the Hawks as well they have a well-rounded team.

[IceMan2]

And remember guys, a big part of your success is going to be based on what seed you get here. You may face a really good team, or a beatable team. The seeds will be determined based on your success the past decade. Also, each team will be broken in conferences West-East 1st.


Overall, there will be 32 teams, best out of 7 each round.

[IceMan2]

Next 4 teams:

Magic, Kings, Nuggets, Wizards


Thread will start tomorrow

[IceMan2]

Next 4 teams:

Magic, Kings, Nuggets, Wizards


Thread will start tomorrow

threads are created!

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269053

[IceMan2]

Next 4 Teams:

Pistons, Nets, Rockets, Timberwolves


Thread will start tomorrow!

[IceMan2]

Next 4 Teams:

Pistons, Nets, Rockets, Timberwolves


Thread will start tomorrow!
http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7483951&posted=1#post7483951

Thread has been created!

[IceMan2]

Alrite those 4 done...

Tomorrow: Mavericks, Warriors, Cavaliers, Bucks



Also, feel free to post any questions or comments in this thread

[IceMan2]

Alrite those 4 done...

Tomorrow: Mavericks, Warriors, Cavaliers, Bucks



Also, feel free to post any questions or comments in this thread
Thread created!
http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7489344&posted=1#post7489344

[IceMan2]

Also the seeds for each team have been determined. I am using some points based formula to do this based on the teams past decade success. If someone wants details on the formula they can just PM and will see that the results match the results I post.

I will reveal the seeds of 4 teams at a time, starting with the top:

WEST:

1 Lakers
2 Spurs


EAST:

1 Pistons
2 Celtics

[IceMan2]

Thread created!
http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7489344&posted=1#post7489344

Done with that


LAST 3 TEAMS:


Heat, Hornets, and Sonics

[IceMan2]

Also here are all the top seeds of both the conferences:


WEST:

1 Lakers
2 Spurs
3 Mavericks
4 Suns
5 Kings
6 Jazz
7 Hornets
8 Rockets
9 ?
10 ?
11 ?
12 ?
13 ?
14 ?
15 ?
16 ?


EAST:

1 Pistons
2 Celtics
3 Heat
4 Pacers
5 Nets
6 Magic
7 76ers
8 Cavaliers
9 ?
10 ?
11 ?
12 ?
13 ?
14 ?
15 ?
16 ?



Thoughts/comments?



Bottom seeds and matchups will be announced later today.

[Gifted Mind]

That looks about right. Will be interesting to see what the 1st round matchups are.

[IceMan2]

Done with that


LAST 3 TEAMS:


Heat, Hornets, and Sonics


Done
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269435



All DONE now!!!

[IceMan2]

So what do you guys think where should the simming be done?

This thread?
Another thread?
A thread for every 2 matchups or so and simming can be done there?

[LBJ 4 MVP]

I think separate thread for the full tournament would be best if you can keep it organized.

[IceMan2]

I think separate thread for the full tournament would be best if you can keep it organized.
I'm thinking something like how I did the set-up. A main thread posting all results, and a few side threads posting individual team matchups (like 2 series/thread). Because i'm also going to give posters the option to alter the rotatoin for teams depending on matchups

[LBJ 4 MVP]

I could try to keep stats for you. At least for each team's starting five. Are you going to be doing 7 game series?

[IceMan2]

I could try to keep stats for you. At least for each team's starting five. Are you going to be doing 7 game series?
That would be awesome!

Yep 7 game series each round. Maybe more important than starting 5, is just keeping track of the key stars for each team. Because some teams have star players coming off bench (Ginobili for Spurs, Mourning for Heat, Hill for Pistons), and so on.

[LBJ 4 MVP]

That would be awesome!

Yep 7 game series each round. Maybe more important than starting 5, is just keeping track of the key stars for each team. Because some teams have star players coming off bench (Ginobili for Spurs, Mourning for Heat, Hill for Pistons), and so on.

True. I've always been a stat guy and am legitimately interested in seeing what comes out in certain matchups, and in certain situations. I'll try to get the starting five and significant bench players.