Currently - Kobe vs. Wade?

[WockaVodka]

I'm curious to hear who you all think is the better player of the two at their current stages of their career, or in other words who is the best shooting guard in the league?

[iamgine]

Ginobiliiiiii

[General]

Kobe All-NBA First Team
Wade All-NBA Third Team

Kobe still a better defender, still a better scorer, has always been more skilled.

Kobe is just better and probably will be until the day he retires.

[WockaVodka]

Kobe All-NBA First Team
Wade All-NBA Third Team

Kobe still a better defender, still a better scorer, has always been more skilled.

Kobe is just better and probably will be until the day he retires.
I think it's odd that Wade is a lot younger yet he is looking like father time will beat him before he beats Kobe.

[blablabla]

Kobe All-NBA First Team
Wade All-NBA Third Team

Kobe still a better defender, still a better scorer, has always been more skilled.

Kobe is just better and probably will be until the day he retires.
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[t-rex]

Kobe Bryant.

Basically everything Wade does, Kobe does just a little better.

If it were baseball it would work like this.

D-Wade is Barry Bonds before steroids. Kobe Bryant is Barry Bonds while on Steroids. That's the difference.

[blablabla]

Kobe Bryant.

Basically everything Wade does, Kobe does just a little better.

If it were baseball it would work like this.

D-Wade is Barry Bonds before steroids. Kobe Bryant is Barry Bonds while on Steroids. That's the difference.
ironically wade is the one on roids

[keepinitreal]

Kobe All-NBA First Team
Wade All-NBA Third Team

Kobe still a better defender, still a better scorer, has always been more skilled.

Kobe is just better and probably will be until the day he retires.

wow, didn't know wade only made 3rd team this year.

that means durant, kobe, and cp3 (1st teamerz) all played with a 2nd team nba'er (westbrook, bynum, griffin, respectively), while lebron played with a 3rd-team nba'er. in 2012 anyway.

kobe > wade right now btw.

[QUIZZLE]

At no point in Wade's career will ever be/has been better than Kobe.

[Smoke117]

Kobe was still a better defender? :oldlol: What a ****ing joke. Even playing off and on during the regular season Wade was a much better defensive player and in the playoffs with his ailing knee he still played good defense. The only thing Kobe does better than Wade is shoot and throughout the regular season Wade was a much more efficient scorer overall though. In the playoffs their efficiency was about the same, but Wade had the bad knee. Wade will probably have a really nice bounce back season next year and clearly cement himself as the best SG in the league.

[All Net]

I think it's odd that Wade is a lot younger yet he is looking like father time will beat him before he beats Kobe.

Nah Wade was just struggling with an knee injury. A summer of rest will do him good.

[Shep]

lol..wade by a mile

[Rysio]

thats like asking who's better kobe or joe johnson. :facepalm

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe was still a better defender? :oldlol: What a ****ing joke. Even playing off and on during the regular season Wade was a much better defensive player and in the playoffs with his ailing knee he still played good defense. The only thing Kobe does better than Wade is shoot and throughout the regular season Wade was much a more efficient scorer overall though. In the playoffs their efficiency was about the same, but Wade had the bad knee. Wade will probably have a really nice bounce back season next year and clearly cement himself as the best SG in the league.

chandler is more efficient than lebron

[Eric Cartman]

Kobe by far. Difficult to compare since Wade is the second option to the best player in the league, while Kobe is the man on a aging team.

[TerranOP]

Very hard to compare the two. Contrary to what some of the above posters think, Wade is a much better defender than Kobe. His help defense is some of the best in the league, especially for a guard. His close-out ability is also almost unparalleled. Kobe doesn't put in nearly as much effort on the defensive end, making him by far the worse defender. Wade can also be a menace as an on-ball defender, although not quite as much as I would like.

Kobe is still Kobe though. He is a better scorer than Wade, and can lead a team better than Wade. Wade tends to disappear for some points during the game, while Kobe's presence can always be felt. At this point, I would still take Kobe over him. They are both great players, but unless I see a further decline in Kobe this year I'm still taking him. Kobe makes opponents scared shitless, which is something Wade can't do quite as well. They both still have suspect shot selection, so I can't really pick one or the other in that regard. Wade is the better finisher at the rim, something that Kobe will continue to get worse at as time goes on. Wade's finishes seem superhuman at times, while we don't see Kobe make any of those shots as much recently.

In the end, I'll still taking Kobe. However, that might change in this upcoming season.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I'd have to go with Kobe this year, Wade really disappointed me and looks to be past his prime and declining. Kobe isn't what he was in his prime either, but he's so much more skilled than Wade that his game has held up better, imo. The fact that Wade hasn't added a reliable jumper outside of '06 and '09 really hurt him this year with his explosiveness not being what it was, and his durability and stamina is also questionable.

I'd definitely go with Wade over Kobe last season, though.



Kobe still a better defender, still a better scorer, has always been more skilled.

I'd take Kobe over Wade based on this past season, but Kobe is not a better defender than Wade anymore.


At no point in Wade's career will ever be/has been better than Kobe.

He was clearly better in 2011, I'd give Wade the edge in '09 as well, and he had a good case in '05.

[PJR]

Wade. I don't want my 2 guard taking 26 shots to score 27 Especially at a putrid 42% clip.

[Xiao Yao You]

Wade, He's a team player. Kobe's a selfish prick.

[Doranku]

Right now? Kobe, and it's not even close. Wade was garbage this year. Got carried hardcore by LeBron. It was actually sad seeing how much he fell off compared to last year. Can name 15+ players who played better than Wade this year...

[Dresta]

I'd have to go with Kobe this year, Wade really disappointed me and looks to be past his prime and declining. Kobe isn't what he was in his prime either, but he's so much more skilled than Wade that his game has held up better, imo. The fact that Wade hasn't added a reliable jumper outside of '06 and '09 really hurt him this year with his explosiveness not being what it was, and his durability and stamina is also questionable.

I'd definitely go with Wade over Kobe last season, though.



I'd take Kobe over Wade based on this past season, but Kobe is not a better defender than Wade anymore.



He was clearly better in 2011, I'd give Wade the edge in '09 as well, and he had a good case in '05.
The voice of reason: so many people chattin out of their ass on this topic.

I do think however that Wade isn't necessarily 'declining', or at least not close to as much as it seemed this season, as he quite obviously had a bum knee (see the 2009 season to see how it bounced back from the last thing he had that was similar).

[ShaqAttack3234]

The voice of reason: so many people chattin out of their ass on this topic.

I do think however that Wade isn't necessarily 'declining', or at least not close to as much as it seemed this season, as he quite obviously had a bum knee (see the 2009 season to see how it bounced back from the last thing he had that was similar).

Thanks, but I'm not as sure about Wade bouncing back, at least not the same way he did in 2009 when he had easily his best season, imo.

He was 27 that season, which is right around the time most players are at their absolute best. He'll be 31 next season, which is usually when player's primes are coming to an end. And while Wade certainly has skills, the fact that he hasn't showed a consistent jump shot outside of 2 years in his career, and no consistent jump shot the last 3 concerns me.

I think he could still be an all-star and one of the better players at his position for a few more years, which is all Miami may need depending on if Lebron continues at this level, or if Miami get some steals in the draft, and they get some good cheap additions.

[NumberSix]

Kobe All-NBA First Team
Wade All-NBA Third Team

Kobe still a better defender, still a better scorer, has always been more skilled.

Kobe is just better and probably will be until the day he retires.
WOW! :wtf:

You can't possibly be this stupid for real.

[TheFan]

Kobe is a better rounded scorer... by better rounded i mean more ways to score.
Wade is better at everything else.

Wade is better right now... no shame in it... Kobe is past his prime... Wade still has 1 or two seasons in his prime.

[arifgokcen]

I dont understand this.Everyone is saying kobe is better.

The only thing he did better last season was scoring and he was the least efficient scorer we had.He certainly is not a better defender.Best example RW shot 49% against kobe and 43% against wade.Most of the time wade and kobe guarded RW and dont forget lakers have two of shotblockers whereas heat has none

[RaininTwos]

At no point in Wade's career will ever be/has been better than Kobe.
Wade's 08-09 season> than any Kobe season

[konex]

I think it's odd that Wade is a lot younger yet he is looking like father time will beat him before he beats Kobe.

Wade's game is mainly based on speed, athleticism and attacking the hoop. Kobe's is mainly based on skill, footwork and mid-range game

[konex]

WOW! :wtf:

You can't possibly be this stupid for real.

Wade is a better shotblocker but Kobe's overall defense is better. Probably because he's bigger

[f0und]

Wade just got through playing his worst finals which, statistically speaking, is kobe's average finals performance. On top of that, wade provided huge plays in this finals which kobe rarely ever has. Even still, we know wade can play much better.

Wade > kobe

[macpierce]

Wade just got through playing his worst finals which, statistically speaking, is kobe's average finals performance. On top of that, wade provided huge plays in this finals which kobe rarely ever has. Even still, we know wade can play much better.

Wade > kobe

Kids at the park still continue to dunk on you

[konex]

I dont understand this.Everyone is saying kobe is better.

The only thing he did better last season was scoring and he was the least efficient scorer we had.He certainly is not a better defender.Best example RW shot 49% against kobe and 43% against wade.Most of the time wade and kobe guarded RW and dont forget lakers have two of shotblockers whereas heat has none

Kobe only guarded Westbrook one game in the series and gave him the jumper (too bad he made it all day lol) but he shut him down pretty good in the regular season.

[Ikill]

I'd have to go with Kobe this year, Wade really disappointed me and looks to be past his prime and declining. Kobe isn't what he was in his prime either, but he's so much more skilled than Wade that his game has held up better, imo. The fact that Wade hasn't added a reliable jumper outside of '06 and '09 really hurt him this year with his explosiveness not being what it was, and his durability and stamina is also questionable.

I'd definitely go with Wade over Kobe last season, though.



I'd take Kobe over Wade based on this past season, but Kobe is not a better defender than Wade anymore.



He was clearly better in 2011, I'd give Wade the edge in '09 as well, and he had a good case in '05.
Wade looked past his prime in 08 too don't see the difference here he was banged up in a shortened season he will bounce back. Wades shot over 40% from 16-23 4 out of his 5 healthy seasons 05,06,09,11 that means he's had a pretty reliable jumper. Wade also built a decent post game this year was shooting over 80% free throws and career highs in 10-15 and 16-23 mid season before getting injured. Injures were the main problem and it wasn't because of physical decline either the condensed season killed him.

[D-Wade316]

Kobe All-NBA First Team
Wade All-NBA Third Team

Kobe still a better defender, still a better scorer, has always been more skilled.

Kobe is just better and probably will be until the day he retires.
This kobesexual can't be serious.

[LamarOdom]

This kobesexual can't be serious.

This is LeBron23 right?

[EnoughSaid]

A healthy Wade all day everyday. I feel like his knee really held him back. If he can get it all fixed up during the summer, look towards a redemption season next year. :rockon:

[unbreakable]

kobe destroyed wade when they played this season.. so yea ill take that guy

[JellyBean]

Kobe All-NBA First Team
Wade All-NBA Third Team

Kobe still a better defender, still a better scorer, has always been more skilled.

Kobe is just better and probably will be until the day he retires.


I agree.

[D-Wade316]

This is LeBron23 right?
:wtf: It's clear to anyone with a functioning brain that I'm not Lebron23.

[Ikill]

Kobe Bryant.

Basically everything Wade does, Kobe does just a little better.

If it were baseball it would work like this.

D-Wade is Barry Bonds before steroids. Kobe Bryant is Barry Bonds while on Steroids. That's the difference.
Wades faster quicker stronger better slasher better finisher better crossovers better at splitting defense better shot selection better at blocking shots

[LamarOdom]

:wtf: It's clear to anyone with a functioning brain that I'm not Lebron23.

You, LeBron and GOBB_Junior has a weird affection for Batman

[D-Wade316]

You, LeBron and GOBB_Junior has a weird affection for Batman
LOL. You're desperate that you make shit up. Kobe's on the decline. Eat that shit, ******.

[Legends66NBA7]

You, LeBron and GOBB_Junior has a weird affection for Batman

That looks more like Spawn or Punisher than Batman. I might be wrong... but what's wrong with rocking a Batman avatar ?

He's a badass. :oldlol:

And GOBB_Junior is Venom.

[Legends66NBA7]

LOL. You're desperate that you make shit up. Kobe's on the decline. Eat that shit, ******.

Dude, calm down. :oldlol:

Who's that in your avatar anyways ? Was I right by saying it's Spawn/Punisher ?

If it's Batman, I've never seen that one before.

[LamarOdom]

LOL. You're desperate that you make shit up. Kobe's on the decline. Eat that shit, ******.

No shit a 34 year old with 16 years on his back is on the decline? get outta here.

[D-Wade316]

Dude, calm down. :oldlol:

Who's that in your avatar anyways ? Was I right by saying it's Spawn/Punisher ?

If it's Batman, I've never seen that one before.
Bane.

[LamarOdom]

Dude, calm down. :oldlol:

Who's that in your avatar anyways ? Was I right by saying it's Spawn/Punisher ?

If it's Batman, I've never seen that one before.

I was talking about his location.

[Mach_3]

I think it's odd that Wade is a lot younger yet he is looking like father time will beat him before he beats Kobe.

Kobe's game has been predicated on jumpshots and footwork in the post for a long time now. Wade's game is completely reliant on his athleticism, as his athleticism goes so does Wade's game.


And Wade also has the most ridiculous form on his jumpshots which drives me batsh1t insane and hurts his game because he misses it so often

[LamarOdom]

LOL. You're desperate that you make shit up. Kobe's on the decline. Eat that shit, ******.

BTW Kobe is still better than Wade.

[Legends66NBA7]

Bane.

Ah okay.

Damn, I just realized everything is Batman, location and custom title.

:oldlol:


I was talking about his location.

Yeah, just noticed it.

:hammerhead:

[longtime lurker]

LOL this is a joke thread right? One is on the all NBA 1st team and the other is on the all NBA 3rd team.

[D-Wade316]

LOL this is a joke thread right? One is on the all NBA 1st team and the other is on the all NBA 3rd team.
:facepalm Kobe this year is comparable to 00-01 Stackhouse. Are you shittin' me? Stern has gift wrapped Kobe the 1st team since '06.

Stackhouse - 29.8pts, 5.1reb, 3.9ast, 52.1ts%, 21.8per
Kobe - 27.9pts, 5.4reb, 4.6ast, 52.7ts%, 21.9per

Just because Kobe's stats look "elite" doesn't mean he is. Look at his efficiency. Defense too.

[chazzy]

Wade was incredibly inconsistent this year, both from game to game and within games themselves. He just didn't look right this year. I'd take Kobe, this is the most clear its been for me since 08

[longtime lurker]

:facepalm Kobe this year is comparable to 00-01 Stackhouse. Are you shittin' me? Stern has gift wrapped Kobe the 1st team since '06.

Stackhouse - 29.8pts, 5.1reb, 3.9ast, 52.1ts%, 21.8per
Kobe - 27.9pts, 5.4reb, 4.6ast, 52.7ts%, 21.9per

Just because Kobe's stats look "elite" doesn't mean he is. Look at his efficiency. Defense too.

Then what does that say about Wade that 00-01 Stackhouse was better than him this year :oldlol:

[Cali Syndicate]

Kobe Bryant.

Basically everything Wade does, Kobe does just a little better.

If it were baseball it would work like this.

D-Wade is Barry Bonds before steroids. Kobe Bryant is Barry Bonds while on Steroids. That's the difference.

IMO Bonds would have finished as a better all-around baseball player had he stayed away from Balco.

600 600 club very very possible with perhaps a few more gold gloves. Perhaps not quite as many MVP's.

[StateOfMind12]

The numbers are close but they really shouldn't be and they certainly don't look like it if you watched them play this season.

Wade was horribly inconsistent this season and while Kobe is a pretty inconsistent player himself these days, he was much more consistent than Wade was at the least.

Wade wasn't even that important or good in the Heat's playoff run this season. He was pretty big in the Pacers series after Game 3 but I feel like if Bosh was playing the entire post-season, they would have probably still won the title.

It was simply LeBron's season this season.

Kobe Bryant is my answer even though I hate his game these days but I hate Wade's game much more these days so it evens out.

[bizil]

I would go with Kobe. The difference to me is the technical brilliance Kobe brings to the table. Even when Kobe's athletic ability declines, he still has one of the premier midrange arsenals of all time. And Kobe is still the premier postup SG in the L in terms of the damage he can do. And in the all around sense, Kobe is still a beast. Wade is awesome as well, and in my book is in the top 4-5 SG's ever peak value and GOAT wise. But Kobe is Kobe and simply the second best perimeter player of all time besides MJ. I know GOAT wise that Magic and Bird are still most likely ahead of Kobe. But in terms of impact in all facets of the game, I feel MJ, Kobe, and Bron are the GOAT perimeter wise.

[Quickening]

What was Kobe FG% this year? 43 %?

[NumberSix]

Kobe is and always has been a model of inconsistency.

[amfirst]

Kobe... Wade looked like complete trash in the finals. it was all LeBron and his three point shooting peons doing all the work. Wade has a few key plays, but dude looked like trash. Even Mario Charmers outplayed him.

[amfirst]

A healthy Wade all day everyday. I feel like his knee really held him back. If he can get it all fixed up during the summer, look towards a redemption season next year. :rockon:

No one is 100%. Kobe can use the same excuse... but he doesn't need to.

[StateOfMind12]

Just because Kobe's stats look "elite" doesn't mean he is. Look at his efficiency. Defense too.
Kobe's efficiency was the same as Wade's efficiency in the post-season. Defense? It's not like Wade is a star there. Wade is nothing more than a shot blocker and ball-thief on defense. He is a weak man to man defender, hence why Westbrook and Durant were having their way with him in the Finals.

[guy]

At no point in Wade's career will ever be/has been better than Kobe.

Wade was better in 2005 and 2011. 2005 cause Kobe was injured, and 2011 quite easily despite the NBA screwing Wade over on the all-nba First and defensive honors. You can argue Wade in 2009 as well, but I wouldn't. I don't think he'll ever be better then Kobe again though.

[StateOfMind12]

Wade was better in 2005 and 2011. 2005 cause Kobe was injured, and 2011 quite easily despite the NBA screwing Wade over on the all-nba First and defensive honors. You can argue Wade in 2009 as well, but I wouldn't. I don't think he'll ever be better then Kobe again though.
Agreed with everything.

I don't know why people always argue Wade over Kobe in 2009. People really underrate and undervalue Kobe that season, probably because he didn't put up the same regular season numbers as he was accustomed to but that was because he saved his real deal for the post-season where he completely dominated. Plus, I really doubt Kobe would have lost to the Hawks in the 1st round with Wade's teammates.

After the 2009 season, I had realized that Wade is incapable of carrying a team for an entire season (RS + PS) which is why I believe LeBron and Kobe have always been better than him.

[Micku]

Agreed with everything.

I don't know why people always argue Wade over Kobe in 2009. People really underrate and undervalue Kobe that season, probably because he didn't put up the same regular season numbers as he was accustomed to but that was because he saved his real deal for the post-season where he completely dominated. Plus, I really doubt Kobe would have lost to the Hawks in the 1st round with Wade's teammates.

After the 2009 season, I had realized that Wade is incapable of carrying a team for an entire season (RS + PS) which is why I believe LeBron and Kobe have always been better than him.

Because had a solid jumper, drive to the rim, pretty good defensively, and he could carried the team. Wade, LeBron, and Kobe were spectacular that year.

The next year, Wade somehow lost his jump shot for some reason, and never expanded upon it beyond that. Wade did carry the Heat team, and Pat Riley didn't make many improvements to the team until 2011.

Wade started to go downhill this year actually. Whatever its injuries or just regressing or a combination of both, he isn't the same. Wade started off great, went down for bit, then had a good couple of months.

[StateOfMind12]

Because had a solid jumper, drive to the rim, pretty good defensively, and he could carried the team. Wade, LeBron, and Kobe were spectacular that year.

The next year, Wade somehow lost his jump shot for some reason, and never expanded upon it beyond that. Wade did carry the Heat team, and Pat Riley didn't make many improvements to the team until 2011.

Wade started to go downhill this year actually. Whatever its injuries or just regressing or a combination of both, he isn't the same. Wade started off great, went down for bit, then had a good couple of months.
Wade got knocked out of the 1st round by the Hawks. I feel like if you put Kobe even the 2009 version of Kobe in Wade's place, they would have gotten past the 1st round.

We all know how Kobe can carry a regular season so getting to the post-season or in Wade's position is not a problem when we saw him play in the 2006 and 2007 season. He couldn't get past the 1st round because he was always overwhelmed by a superior Phoenix Suns team. If you asked Kobe to play the Atlanta Hawks instead those two seasons or even in Wade's place, they would have gotten past the 1st round.

Wade really didn't play that well in the 2009 post-season and I believe it was probably due to fatigue and carrying the team all season. He cannot carry a team for an entire regular season and post-season. He can only carry one or the other which is what separates Kobe and LeBron from him.

[Vertical-24]

Last year, everyone was going on about how Wade was so much better than Kobe...people hailed him the best SG in the league...and even the best player in the league..funny the reaction this season had on people.

Dwyane Wade remains an extremely solid player but the "father time decline" hasn't done him much justice this season. Still lacking a reliable jumpshot and mid-long range game. He can still drive pretty well but you can tell he is definitely on a decline athletically. He can't do it with the ease he used to. One thing I was impressed with however is the post-up game he is now developing. That will be SO helpful in the future..I really hope he continues to hone it.

Kobe Bryant is the superior player at this point. Kobe has adapted to his athletic decline and while he is not the player he used to be, he still has it in him to play absolute elite basketball for at least the next two-three years. Remains the best post-up perimeter player in the league, has an amazing mid-range game still, impeccable footwork, played overall better defense (seems to have put somewhat more effort on that end this year) and remains a great jump-shooter.

Only thing that was really flawed with Kobe's game this season was shot-selection. The triangle kept him somewhat grounded and without it, we seen him take a lot of extremely bad shots. Hopefully he realizes what he's done wrong this season and seeks to eliminate it as much as possible (he's had these troubles in the past but at least he was in a system that restrained the amount). Coach Brown is A LOT to blame in this aspect.

Moral of the story is...Kobe has adjusted a lot better than Wade has. Maybe Wade will work on it over the summer and come out stronger than Bryant, but I doubt it. Bryant seals the top SG spot for next two seasons, imo.

[Remix]

Currently - Kobe.

I want my SHOOTING guard to be able to make a jumpshot. Kobe's a much better scorer, not too much worse on defense, and doesn't disappear and lose interest like Wade does.

[HiphopRelated]

If I have to argue StateOfMInd's posts it would be a dissertation

Let's just say I disagree completely

On the Kobe angle, he shot 43% this season, the difference between him and Wade is that Kobe will "get his shots" regardless of his teammates. If anybody doesn't realise the difference between Wade in a "down year" and Kobe is chucking they don't watch the NBA.

[Ikill]

Kobe's efficiency was the same as Wade's efficiency in the post-season. Defense? It's not like Wade is a star there. Wade is nothing more than a shot blocker and ball-thief on defense. He is a weak man to man defender, hence why Westbrook and Durant were having their way with him in the Finals.
didn't you already get exposed about Wades man defense Wade was too short for Durant but he gave Westbrook a lot of trouble.

[StateOfMind12]

didn't you already get exposed about Wades man defense Wade was too short for Durant but he gave Westbrook a lot of trouble.
No, and he didn't give Westbrook trouble at all unless you just want to refer to his Game 5 where he got to the line a ton and converted most/all of them.

[HiphopRelated]

No, and he didn't give Westbrook trouble at all unless you just want to refer to his Game 5 where he got to the line a ton and converted most/all of them.
did you see Westbrook's shooting?

Oh please

10/24
10/26
4/20

seriously? Durant had a better scoring series

[NumberSix]

Currently? Wade, obviously.

[StateOfMind12]

did you see Westbrook's shooting?

Oh please
It didn't seem affected by Wade's defense. It seemed like he just missed some makeable jumpers and missed some easy finishes/layups/dunks.


If I have to argue StateOfMInd's posts it would be a dissertation

Let's just say I disagree completely

On the Kobe angle, he shot 43% this season, the difference between him and Wade is that Kobe will "get his shots" regardless of his teammates. If anybody doesn't realise the difference between Wade in a "down year" and Kobe is chucking they don't watch the NBA.
The difference is that Kobe is the #1 option on his team while Wade is #2 behind the best player in the league.

[HiphopRelated]

It didn't seem affected by Wade's defense. It seemed like he just missed some makeable jumpers and missed some easy finishes/layups/dunks.


The difference is that Kobe is the #1 option on his team while Wade is #2 behind the best player in the league.
you better start making a point

Wade's never shot that poorly in any capacity

Kobe has the best front court in basketball, it's hardly some scrub squad

[StateOfMind12]

you better make a point

Wade's never shot that poorly in any capacity
Maybe so but Wade is not as good of a player as he once was during his prime.

The Celtics defense pretty much viewed Wade as the 1st option on the team by doubling and trapping him the entire series and he shot 44.4% from the field that series. Wade wasn't the 1st option though but the Celtics defense was defended like him one and he didn't shoot much better than Kobe has this season in that series.

I'm not sure how you could argue that Wade is not the #1 option though because it is quite clear that LeBron was and it is quite clear that Kobe is for his team.

[gxL]

the only year wade possibly better than kobe was 08-09 season.

every other year, kobe > wade

[Ikill]

Wade got knocked out of the 1st round by the Hawks. I feel like if you put Kobe even the 2009 version of Kobe in Wade's place, they would have gotten past the 1st round.

We all know how Kobe can carry a regular season so getting to the post-season or in Wade's position is not a problem when we saw him play in the 2006 and 2007 season. He couldn't get past the 1st round because he was always overwhelmed by a superior Phoenix Suns team. If you asked Kobe to play the Atlanta Hawks instead those two seasons or even in Wade's place, they would have gotten past the 1st round.

Wade really didn't play that well in the 2009 post-season and I believe it was probably due to fatigue and carrying the team all season. He cannot carry a team for an entire regular season and post-season. He can only carry one or the other which is what separates Kobe and LeBron from him.
Wade was injured during the 09 playoffs i think it was a hip injury there is no way he broke down he was playing his best ball in the month of the season. Finishing with a 55 point game. Are you telling me Wade didn't have great regular seasons in 05 06 and 11

[HiphopRelated]

Maybe so but Wade is not as good of a player as he once was during his prime.

The Celtics defense pretty much viewed Wade as the 1st option on the team by doubling and trapping him the entire series and he shot 44.4% from the field that series. Wade wasn't the 1st option though but the Celtics defense was defended like him one and he didn't shoot much better than Kobe has this season in that series.

I'm not sure how you could argue that Wade is not the #1 option though because it is quite clear that LeBron was and it is quite clear that Kobe is for his team.
He wasn't forcing it vs. the Celtics, that's what you don't seem to get.

He was making the right play most nights, why should Wade take a contested jumper over 2 defenders when Lebron has single coverage?

He had 2 poor shooting games in a 7 game series he was being double teamed

[StateOfMind12]

Wade was injured during the 09 playoffs i think it was a hip injury there is no way he broke down he was playing his best ball in the month of the season. Finishing with a 55 point game. Are you telling me Wade didn't have great regular seasons in 05 06 and 11
Which is another reason why I would take both Kobe and Lebron over him and it is because of durability.

Wade had great regular seasons in 05, 06, and 11. I never said otherwise but he didn't carry the team in any of them. He carried the team in the post-season for 2006 but not the regular season. The Heat were 10-13 without Shaq in the 2006 season which goes to show you that Wade was probably not even the MVP of his own team that season.

[Ikill]

Last year, everyone was going on about how Wade was so much better than Kobe...people hailed him the best SG in the league...and even the best player in the league..funny the reaction this season had on people.

Dwyane Wade remains an extremely solid player but the "father time decline" hasn't done him much justice this season. Still lacking a reliable jumpshot and mid-long range game. He can still drive pretty well but you can tell he is definitely on a decline athletically. He can't do it with the ease he used to. One thing I was impressed with however is the post-up game he is now developing. That will be SO helpful in the future..I really hope he continues to hone it.

Kobe Bryant is the superior player at this point. Kobe has adapted to his athletic decline and while he is not the player he used to be, he still has it in him to play absolute elite basketball for at least the next two-three years. Remains the best post-up perimeter player in the league, has an amazing mid-range game still, impeccable footwork, played overall better defense (seems to have put somewhat more effort on that end this year) and remains a great jump-shooter.

Only thing that was really flawed with Kobe's game this season was shot-selection. The triangle kept him somewhat grounded and without it, we seen him take a lot of extremely bad shots. Hopefully he realizes what he's done wrong this season and seeks to eliminate it as much as possible (he's had these troubles in the past but at least he was in a system that restrained the amount). Coach Brown is A LOT to blame in this aspect.

Moral of the story is...Kobe has adjusted a lot better than Wade has. Maybe Wade will work on it over the summer and come out stronger than Bryant, but I doubt it. Bryant seals the top SG spot for next two seasons, imo.
Did you miss the part where Wade came back from his first series of injuries mid season. He developed a great post game and was shooting career highs in ft% 10-15 and 16-23 both in the mid 40s. Injuries and condensed season ****ed him over not decline watch the first few games of the season he was looking crazy athletic. You don't decline in a matter of months it takes years to show a noticeable difference. Don't give me the bullshit he's declining every year he was better and more athletic in 2011 than 2010.

[StateOfMind12]

He wasn't forcing it vs. the Celtics, that's what you don't seem to get.

He was making the right play most nights, why should Wade take a contested jumper over 2 defenders when Lebron has single coverage?

He had 2 poor shooting games in a 7 game series he was being double teamed
Yes, it's easier to not force things when you have LeBron on your team. Kobe doesn't have that luxury. I'm not sure what you're making to state that Wade is better than Kobe. Kobe forces things up sometimes and has a poor shot selection, this isn't new but that doesn't mean he isn't better than Wade because of it.

Plus, I believe Kobe would be better at things like defense, facilitating, rebounding, etc. and surely better than Wade at it if he got to be the #2 option on the team like Wade was in 2012. We all saw how great he was at those aspects when he was with Shaq.


Don't give me the bullshit he's declining every year he was better and more athletic in 2011 than 2010.

I definitely disagree with this.

[Ikill]

He wasn't forcing it vs. the Celtics, that's what you don't seem to get.

He was making the right play most nights, why should Wade take a contested jumper over 2 defenders when Lebron has single coverage?

He had 2 poor shooting games in a 7 game series he was being double teamed
people just assume bad %s equal chucking

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe easily

[Ikill]

I definitely disagree with this.
tell me why than but your wrong I know more about Wade than you anyways

[StateOfMind12]

tell me why than but your wrong I know more about Wade than you anyways
IF you are referring to the overall season, you are probably right but during the post-season I thought Wade was more athletic in 2010 than he was in 2011. He was just out of shape and not ready for most of the 2010 season. He was for the 2011 season although he coasted a lot.

I just thought he looked more explosive in 2010. His peak in terms of athleticism is either 05-07 (pre-shoulder injury) or 09 though.

[midatlantic09]

Kobe, for sure.

Wade is on the decline.

[TheNaturalWR]

Kobe was better this year but I'm still taking Wade for next year. I've been really hard on him because last year not only was he far better than Kobe but he had a great case for being the best player in basketball but if his knee injury happens to be something significant I'll give him a pass. He just didn't look like Dwyane Wade. There were numerous times where he'd get a 1 on 1 opportunity on a fastbreak and he'd shy away from it and I've never seen that EVER from him. Something was clearly wrong you don't change your style of play in a span of 3 months.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Why do I have this feeling that Wade will run out of gas before Kobe despite being 3 years younger....

[HiphopRelated]

Yes, it's easier to not force things when you have LeBron on your team. Kobe doesn't have that luxury. I'm not sure what you're making to state that Wade is better than Kobe. Kobe forces things up sometimes and has a poor shot selection, this isn't new but that doesn't mean he isn't better than Wade because of it.

Plus, I believe Kobe would be better at things like defense, facilitating, rebounding, etc. and surely better than Wade at it if he got to be the #2 option on the team like Wade was in 2012. We all saw how great he was at those aspects when he was with Shaq.



I definitely disagree with this.
How doesn't Kobe have that luxury?

He has by far the best front court in basketball

He WANTS to shoot a lot

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe..and's it's not even close..

Kobe has been the best allaround player from 2001 - 2010..

Last year was the only year maybe Wade was better...Kobe was coming off of 3 straight Finals and lost some fire...

Wade won 1 title in 06' and followed it up with a 15 win season:lol

[DaHeezy]

Nah Wade was just struggling with an knee injury. A summer of rest will do him good.

Isn't Wade on the Olympic team?

[WockaVodka]

Isn't Wade on the Olympic team?
He is sitting out this year's Olympics due to injury.

[raprap]

Kobe. I love Dwade but he regress faster than I thought. Maybe it was injuries though :confuseshrug:

[I LUV KOBE]

No matter what year Kobe>>>>>>>>>Wade.. Aint even close