LeBron's Career So Far

[RRR3]

He's only 27, but now that he has his Ring/FMVP, he's really starting to get recognition for how great he is. I'm just going to put all of his stats/accomplishments/awards/etc. in one thread just to show how much he has achieved so far :D Yes, I am a huge LeBron fan, but this thread will just be full of facts, not my own opinions so don't worry:banana: If a number is bolded, it is an indication that it led the NBA or NBA playoffs.


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Career Regular Season Stats
(Dark Blue indicates Cavaliers, Red Indicates Heat)
2003-04: 79 games, 39.5 MPG, 20.9 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .417/.290/.754 shooting
2004-05: 80 games, 42.4 MPG, 27.2 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 7.2 APG, 2.2 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .472/.351/.750 shooting
2005-06: 79 games, 42.5 MPG, 31.4 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .480/.335/.738 shooting
2006-07: 78 games, 40.9 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .476/.319/.698 shooting
2007-08: 75 games, 40.4 MPG, 30.0 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 7.2 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.1 BPG, .484/.315/.712 shooting
2008-09: 81 games, 37.7 MPG, 28.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 7.2 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.1 BPG, .489/.344/.780 shooting
2009-10: 76 games, 39.0 MPG, 29.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.0 BPG, .503/.333/.767 shooting
2010-11: 79 games, 38.8 MPG, 26.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 7.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.6 BPG, .510/.330/.759 shooting
2011-12: 62 games, 37.5 MPG, 27.1 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 6.2 APG, 1.9 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .531/.362/.771 shooting

Career Regular Season Stats: 689 games, 39.9 MPG, 27.6 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .483/.331/.746 shooting.


Career Playoff Stats
2005-06: 13 games, 46.5 MPG, 30.8 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .476/.333/.737 shooting
2006-07: 20 games, 44.7 MPG, 25.1 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.5 BPG, .416/.280/.755 shooting
2007-08: 13 games, 42.5 MPG, 28.2 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 7.6 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.3 BPG, .411/.257/.731 shooting
2008-09: 14 games, 41.4 MPG, 35.3 PPG, 9.1 RPG, 7.3 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.9 BPG, .510/.333/.749 shooting
2009-10: 11 games, 41.8 MPG, 29.1 PPG, 9.3 RPG, 7.6 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.8 BPG, .502/.400/.733 shooting
2010-11: 21 games, 43.9 MPG, 23.7 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.2 BPG, .466/.353/.763 shooting
2011-12: 23 games, 42.7 MPG, 30.3 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.9 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .500/.259/.739 shooting

Career Playoff Stats: 115 games, 43.4 MPG, 28.5 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BPG, .469/.312/.745 shooting


Awards and Accomplishments
3x NBA MVP (2009, 2010, 2012)
2012 NBA Finals MVP
NBA Champion with Miami Heat (2012)
8x NBA All-Star (2005-2012)
2003-04 NBA Rookie of the Year
2x All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)
20x Eastern Conference Player of the Month
6x All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008-2012)
2x All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
4x All-Defensive First Team (2009-2012)
2003-04 All-Rookie First Team
2007-08 NBA Scoring Champion

Notable Statistical Achievements
*Scored 50+ points in a game 9 times
*Scored 40+ points in a game 48 times in the regular season, and 11 times in the playoffs
*Has recorded 32 triple-doubles in the regular season, and 8 in the playoffs, including one in the Finals-Clinching game in 2012
*Is the youngest player ever to....
-Record a triple-double
-To record a playoff triple-double
-To score 30 points in a game
-To score 40 points in a game
-To score 2000 or more points in a season
-To average 30 or more PPG in a season
-To make the All-NBA team
-To be named to the All-NBA 1st team
-To reach every thousand point milestone between 1000 and 19000 points.
*Led NBA Playoffs in Points, Assists and steals in 2007
*Led NBA Playoffs in Points, offensive rebounds, total rebounds and field goals in 2012

All-Time Ranks
*3rd in NBA history in PPG
*28th in NBA history in APG
*6th in NBA history in MPG
*4th in NBA playoff history in PPG
*19th in NBA playoff history in APG
*17th in NBA playoff history in SPG
*5th in NBA playoff history in MPG


Some of his Best Moments...
56 points http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEMtf1ppGJg
16 points in 2 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyd4NPvzKQg
Buzzer beater vs. Magic in ECF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15mwWy5cbBs
Game 5 vs. Pistons 2007 ECF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Fjn1j6qdMa
45 points vs. Celtics 2012 ECF game 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg
Clutch shot 2012 Finals game 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dpfbfvud5s
Clutch shot 2012 Finals game 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30b8RM4XqNI
Wins first title and FMVP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuIg3PBYccM

[Alamo]

He will end up top 10-7 all time.

[GOBB_Junior]

He's currently a top 12 player of all time. I wish the regular season starts ASAP.

[The Iron Fist]

1-2 finals record. 6-9 finals games.


Why leave that out?

[RRR3]

1-2 finals record. 6-9 finals games.


Why leave that out?
This is a serious thread, don't ruin it with your immature trolling

[The Iron Fist]

This is a serious thread, don't ruin it with your immature trolling
Those are serious numbers.

[GOBB_Junior]

This is a serious thread, don't ruin it with your immature trolling

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=91689

Just put him on your ignore lists.

[StateOfMind12]

If he were to retire today or have some sort of career ending injury, he would be the 11th greatest player of all-time.

I think the highest he can reach is top 3-5. I do think GOAT is out of the picture just because of the many failures he has already had. Jordan and Russell didn't have as many failures or at least failures as bad Lebron has had in his career.

Your career has to pretty much be perfect if you want to be GOAT and I do think LeBron's career is far from perfect at this point.

[LBJFTW]

1-2 finals record. 6-9 finals games.


Why leave that out?

Not to make this another Bron vs MJ thread, but the reason why he left it out and tried to say you were trolling is because Jordan was perfect in Finals @ 6/6. Something Lebron will never be. With that said however, if Bron were to go 6/8 in the finals (WITHOUT 2 all-stars :oldlol:) then we have something to talk about as far as comparing Jordan to Lebron.

[NumberSix]

LeBron did something Jordan and Kobe never could. He won a championship without Phil Jackson.

[RRR3]

Not to make this another Bron vs MJ thread, but the reason why he left it out and tried to say you were trolling is because Jordan was perfect in Finals @ 6/6. Something Lebron will never be. With that said however, if Bron were to go 6/8 in the finals (WITHOUT 2 all-stars :oldlol:) then we have something to talk about as far as comparing Jordan to Lebron.
I left it out because it's not a positive accomplishment, GTFO my thread, dumbass. I suppose I should have posted LeBron's worst shooting games too, eh? :rolleyes: This has nothing to do with Jordan, LeBron will never surpass Jordan, so don't assume you know what my opinion on the matter is.:facepalm

[LBJFTW]

LeBron did something Jordan and Kobe never could. He won a championship without Phil Jackson.

Many players have won a championship without Phil Jackson.

[LBJFTW]

I left it out because it's not a positive accomplishment, GTFO my thread, dumbass. I suppose I should have posted LeBron's worst shooting games too, eh? :rolleyes: This has nothing to do with Jordan, LeBron will never surpass Jordan, so don't assume you know what my opinion on the matter is.:facepalm

Not a positive accomplishment!?!?! :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Winning 1 finals out of 3 attempts is a positive accomplishment you dumbass. Most players aren't even fortunate to make it to the finals 3 times let alone WIN 1 out of 3. :facepalm

[RRR3]

Not a positive accomplishment!?!?! :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Winning 1 finals out of 3 attempts is a positive accomplishment you dumbass. Most players aren't even fortunate to make it to the finals 3 times let alone WIN 1 out of 3. :facepalm
The way he played in the 2011 Finals is anything but positive. You know what I meant, stop splitting hairs to try and make some vague irrelevant "point".

[baccano]

Great Thread.

It's nice to see most of his accomplishments in one place :D

[ripthekik]

The stats are all out there, I'll leave it to you guys.

But legacy?
He'll be known for taking a short-cut, admitting to not being able to man a team, asking the next best player to team up instead of beating him, going around obstacles instead of over, and only winning because he joined one of the top players in this league and had another PF who carried his own franchise for 7+ years.

He is a all-time top 10 talented player, but on those greatest player lists? He should be 20+. He still hasn't proven he can win like the true champion on that list.

[Simple Jack]

The stats are all out there, I'll leave it to you guys.

But legacy?
He'll be known for taking a short-cut, admitting to not being able to man a team, asking the next best player to team up instead of beating him, going around obstacles instead of over, and only winning because he joined one of the top players in this league and had another PF who carried his own franchise for 7+ years.

He is a all-time top 10 talented player, but on those greatest player lists? He should be 20+. He still hasn't proven he can win like the true champion on that list.

No he won't.

Are you aware of a player named Moses Malone? Do yourself a favor and read about his career and tell me people give a **** about him joining up with other "superstars" and winning a ring.

[CelticBaller]

LeBron did something Jordan and Kobe never could. He won a championship without Phil Jackson.
big deal :oldlol:

[ripthekik]

No he won't.

Are you aware of a player named Moses Malone? Do yourself a favor and read about his career and tell me people give a **** about him joining up with other "superstars" and winning a ring.
No, to be honest I'm not that familiar with his career.
But you've just proved my point. YOU remember him, and YOU remember him joining up with other superstars and winning a ring.

That's how we'll remember Lebron as well. Very talented, but had to join up.

[LBJFTW]

No he won't.

Are you aware of a player named Moses Malone? Do yourself a favor and read about his career and tell me people give a **** about him joining up with other "superstars" and winning a ring.


Yes, he will. Are you aware that the only reason why people didn't give a **** about what Moses did was because after joining Julius Erving, Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks and Bobby Jones, he had to beat Kareem, Majic, Worthy and Jamaal Wilkes. That's a much bigger feat than joining the 2nd best player in the game (Wade) and all-star (Bosh) and beating a team with Westbrook, Durant and Harding. :oldlol:

If anything, no one will remember 10 years from now that Wade and Bosh played poorly. They will just know that they were top level players when James joined them and that he did so because he knew he couldn't get it done in NY.

[ihoopallday]

Yes, he will. Are you aware that the only reason why people didn't give a **** about what Moses did was because after joining Julius Erving, Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks and Bobby Jones, he had to beat Kareem, Majic, Worthy and Jamaal Wilkes. That's a much bigger feat than joining the 2nd best player in the game (Wade) and all-star (Bosh) and beating a team with Westbrook, Durant and Harding. :oldlol:

If anything, no one will remember 10 years from now that Wade and Bosh played poorly. They will just know that they were top level players when James joined them and that he did so because he knew he couldn't get it done in NY.

Do you feel the same way about Magic and Bird playing with multiple hall of famers during their championship runs?

[The Iron Fist]

The way he played in the 2011 Finals is anything but positive. You know what I meant, stop splitting hairs to try and make some vague irrelevant "point".
Positive or not, its a part of his career that cant be ignored.

[LBJFTW]

Do you feel the same way about Magic and Bird playing with multiple hall of famers during their championship runs?

They stuck with the team that drafted them for their entire careers. They didn't quit on their team and join another team to win like Lebron did.

[pauk]

:bowdown:

[asdf1990]

LeGawd

[jlip]

They stuck with the team that drafted them for their entire careers. They didn't quit on their team and join another team to win like Lebron did.

That's not a major accomplishment. Let's just use Magic for an example. What could possibly be the circumstances that would cause Magic to want to leave the Lakers? He is drafted to one of the most storied franchises that has the best player in the game in Kareem at the time, who was also the league's MVP. Then despite winning a title, somehow the organization is still able to continuously draft and add hall of famers to the roster over the next couple of years in Worthy and McAdoo. To top it off, he has the DPOY coming off of the bench by '87. Poor Magic...He deserves a medal for sticking it out through such hard times in LA. :facepalm

Celebrating Magic for staying with the team that drafted him is like praising Jay Z for "enduring the struggles of having to have sex with Beyonce' every night." Poor Jay Z...How does he do it?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Can you post his finals stats?

[ihoopallday]

They stuck with the team that drafted them for their entire careers. They didn't quit on their team and join another team to win like Lebron did.

It's easy to stay on the same team when your front office puts talent around you. Seriously who did Cleveland get for Jame. A beat down Shaq and Jamison.

[SpecialQue]

"Perfect in the finals" is the fvcking lamest shit people use to bolster someone like MJ or Duncan's superiority. A lot of people truly, legitimately, in their hearts believe that failing to reach the finals but having a perfect record when they get their is vastly superior to multiple trips to the finals but not winning all of them. I heard one retard say that Magic getting to the finals NINE FVCKING TIMES isn't that impressive because he "only" won five of those. :facepalm

[AK47DR91]

Can you post his finals stats?
15 games: 22.5 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 6.7 APG and 4.4 Turnovers per game.
126 FGM out of 288 FGA = .4375 or 44% from the floor

Lowest minute in a game was 38. 14 of the 15 games, he played 40-46 minutes.

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=jamesle01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

Those are my calculations. Somebody double check it if they want.

[ripthekik]

It's easy to stay on the same team when your front office puts talent around you. Seriously who did Cleveland get for Jame. A beat down Shaq and Jamison.
He could have went to build his own legacy in NY, Chicago, or whereever.
Instead he decides to team up with a top 3 player at the time and another top PF. He DIDN'T HAVE TO stay in Cleveland. But he still would have been able to build a very respectable career for himself.

But he chose the short-cut and the easy road. What a "winner's mentality" he has :confusedshrug:

[pauk]

That's not a major accomplishment. Let's just use Magic for an example. What could possibly be the circumstances that would cause Magic to want to leave the Lakers? He is drafted to one of the most storied franchises that has the best player in the game in Kareem at the time, who was also the league's MVP. Then despite winning a title, somehow the organization is still able to continuously draft and add hall of famers to the roster over the next couple of years in Worthy and McAdoo. To top it off, he has the DPOY coming off of the bench by '87. Poor Magic...He deserves a medal for sticking it out through such hard times in LA. :facepalm

Celebrating Magic for staying with the team that drafted him is like praising Jay Z for "enduring the struggles of having to have sex with Beyonce' every night." Poor Jay Z...How does he do it?

jlip just plugged the haters last breath.....

[ihoopallday]

He could have went to build his own legacy in NY, Chicago, or whereever.
Instead he decides to team up with a top 3 player at the time and another top PF. He DIDN'T HAVE TO stay in Cleveland. But he still would have been able to build a very respectable career for himself.

But he chose the short-cut and the easy road. What a "winner's mentality" he has :confusedshrug:

Lmao oh so now you wouldn't be mad if he went to any team OTHER than Miami. Got it.

[ripthekik]

Lmao oh so now you wouldn't be mad if he went to any team OTHER than Miami. Got it.
Son, it's not about the team. It's about who he GOT.
If he won in Miami with just Bosh, he would have gained my total respect. And he would have had a true legacy, he could have chase the true GREATS of all times.

He threw it away himself. He will come to regret this decision one day. No matter how many rings he won, people will remember he could only do it by joining Wade and Bosh in their primes.

[LakersReign]

That's not a major accomplishment. Let's just use Magic for an example. What could possibly be the circumstances that would cause Magic to want to leave the Lakers? He is drafted to one of the most storied franchises that has the best player in the game in Kareem at the time, who was also the league's MVP. Then despite winning a title, somehow the organization is still able to continuously draft and add hall of famers to the roster over the next couple of years in Worthy and McAdoo. To top it off, he has the DPOY coming off of the bench by '87. Poor Magic...He deserves a medal for sticking it out through such hard times in LA. :facepalm

Celebrating Magic for staying with the team that drafted him is like praising Jay Z for "enduring the struggles of having to have sex with Beyonce' every night." Poor Jay Z...How does he do it?

Jordan was drafted to the Bulls '84, and didn't win a title til '90-'91. So, therefore, you supposed point is moot.

[pauk]

Son, it's not about the team. It's about who he GOT.
If he won in Miami with just Bosh, he would have gained my total respect. And he would have had a true legacy, he could have chase the true GREATS of all times.

He threw it away himself. He will come to regret this decision one day. No matter how many rings he won, people will remember he could only do it by joining Wade and Bosh in their primes.

Lebron won it with an injured Bosh+Wade and when they got back Bosh averaged Horace Grant numbers in playoffs minus the defense (14-7) and Wade got outperformed by even Westbrook.... :confusedshrug: and its not like his supporting cast was awesome entire year, infact they have been bad entire year until the finals...

Actual productions > Name Value.....

Nice try...

[ihoopallday]

Son, it's not about the team. It's about who he GOT.
If he won in Miami with just Bosh, he would have gained my total respect. And he would have had a true legacy, he could have chase the true GREATS of all times.

He threw it away himself. He will come to regret this decision one day. No matter how many rings he won, people will remember he could only do it by joining Wade and Bosh in their primes.

You're going to sit there and tell me Wade was playing at his prime level this year. Sure. All year I've read Wade was declining, flopping, whining, etc. Then all of a sudden when they win, he was in his prime. You just don't like LeBron and will say anything to discredit his win. Oh well everyone has their opinion.

[pauk]

Jordan played for the Bulls since '84, and didn't win a title til '90-'91. So, therefore, you supposed point is moot.

Nope... Michael Jordan eventually recieved Pippen, Grant... Rodman, Kukoc and so on and so on..... while Lebron recieved... a 38-40 year old has been or Mo Williams (actually his best sidekick was Daniel Gibson considering he helped him get to the Finals hitting those open 3's).... So, therefore, your supposed point is even "mootier"....

[ihoopallday]

Jordan played for the Bulls since '84, and didn't win a title til '90-'91. So, therefore, you supposed point is moot.

Where in his post did he mention Jordan. Maybe you should try and address his op.

[ripthekik]

You're going to sit there and tell me Wade was playing at his prime level this year. Sure. All year I've read Wade was declining, flopping, whining, etc. Then all of a sudden when they win, he was in his prime. You just don't like LeBron and will say anything to discredit his win. Oh well everyone has their opinion.
No, Wade's overall level wasn't like in his prime. But he did play at a very respectable level in the playoffs, his stats are smth like 23ppg, 5rb 5ast (i'm pulling it out of thin air)

But when the moments Lebron wilted and would have lost, that prime Wade stood up. Then Bosh.

Without those guys playing at their prime at certain parts of the game, Lebron would have been the same dude who put up great stats as always, but just cant win.

Fact is, Lebron has the luxury of having those guys show up in their prime any time in the game. Which is the purpose of him taking a shortcut and joining those 2 guys in their prime years. And that's a summary of lebron's career so far.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nope... Michael Jordan eventually recieved Pippen, Grant... Rodman, Kukoc and so on and so on..... while Lebron recieved... a 38-40 year old has been or Mo Williams (actually his best sidekick was Daniel Gibson considering he helped him get to the Finals hitting those open 3's).... So, therefore, your supposed point is even "mootier"....
back to back 60+ win teams, one of them winning 66 games.

Such a horrible cast

[LakersReign]

Nope... Michael Jordan eventually recieved Pippen, Grant... Rodman, Kukoc and so on and so on..... while Lebron recieved... a 38-40 year old has been or Mo Williams (actually his best sidekick was Daniel Gibson considering he helped him get to the Finals hitting those open 3's).... So, therefore, your supposed point is even "mootier"....

Ah....the truth really does hurt....doesn't it?:lol

No such word in the English language clown. Holla back when you can tell me exactly when Jordan became a free agent and left the Bulls, BEFORE they started winning:sleeping

[pauk]

back to back 60+ win teams, one of them winning 66 games.

Such a horrible cast

Ha!! You judge a cast based on double digit win numbers during a regular season? That team overachieved like maybe no other team in NBA history due to Lebron... he was their PG-SG-SF-PF-C... that "TEAM" was only a one-man-army.... it was only ONE MAN... those other guys basically just had to be there because.. well.. you cant have any less than 5 players on the floor...

Each time Lebron didnt play they would fight for their lifes to not get blown out..... and once he left completely they had the worst record in NBA..... awesome cast!!

[ripthekik]

Ha!! You judge a cast based on double digit win numbers during a regular season? That team overachieved like maybe no other team in NBA history due to Lebron... he was their PG-SG-SF-PF-C... that "TEAM" was only a one-man-army.... it was only ONE MAN... those other guys basically just had to be there because.. well.. you cant have any less than 5 players on the floor...
Point he is making is, a team that is capable of winning 60sth games is definitely capable of being a contender, winning it all. It's not like he play with teams that went 30-52 for 6 seasons. That team was built around him. He went to the finals with it for heaven's sake. Now we acting like they a bunch of scrub who can't do anything?
Lebron really went 1-on-5 all the way from first round, second, East conf to the finals?

Not saying he had a great team. But being able to do that, they were definitely legit, and had a chance.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ha!! You judge a cast based on double digit win numbers during a regular season? That team overachieved like maybe no other team in NBA history due to Lebron... he was their PG-SG-SF-PF-C... that "TEAM" was only a one-man-army.... it was only ONE MAN... those other guys basically just had to be there because.. well.. you cant have any less than 5 players on the floor...

Each time Lebron didnt play they would fight for their lifes to not get blown out..... and once he left completely they had the worst record in NBA..... awesome cast!!
:oldlol:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200706020CLE.html

[Kobe 4 The Win]

You can argue that Lebron mad some PR mistakes and you can argue that he's an arrogant douche. But you can't argue with his talent and the stats and awards he's piling up. The dude is going to go down as one of the greatest of all time.

When he joined Wade and Bosh I felt like a lot of people, that he was bitching out and even if they won it wouldn't mean that much. I changed my mind about that. In Cleveland he had a shit coach and no talent around him and he still almost won a ring. So what if he plays with 2 other star players.

[ihoopallday]

No, Wade's overall level wasn't like in his prime. But he did play at a very respectable level in the playoffs, his stats are smth like 23ppg, 5rb 5ast (i'm pulling it out of thin air)

But when the moments Lebron wilted and would have lost, that prime Wade stood up. Then Bosh.

Without those guys playing at their prime at certain parts of the game, Lebron would have been the same dude who put up great stats as always, but just cant win.

Fact is, Lebron has the luxury of having those guys show up in their prime any time in the game. Which is the purpose of him taking a shortcut and joining those 2 guys in their prime years. And that's a summary of lebron's career so far.

Well if you give those guys credit, why not the same for LeBron. Did he not save that team in game 6 vs Boston? Those guys were playing in their primes at certain times of these playoffs. LeBron was consistently doing so. Didn't Ron Artest save LA in game 7 against Boston? Kobe needed help. LeBron needs help. Every ****ing superstar needs help to win a title. Quit acting like LeBron is the first guy to get it.

[pauk]

Point he is making is, a team that is capable of winning 60sth games is definitely capable of being a contender, winning it all. It's not like he play with teams that went 30-52 for 6 seasons. That team was built around him. He went to the finals with it for heaven's sake. Now we acting like they a bunch of scrub who can't do anything?
Lebron really went 1-on-5 all the way from first round, second, East conf to the finals?

Not saying he had a great team. But being able to do that, they were definitely legit, and had a chance.

A team is only team when you can take out that teams best player or if that player plays horribly and expect almost equal results....
watch Pippen/Bulls without Jordan in the 90s to see what i mean
watch Magic/Lakers in 1980 in the Finals to see what i mean (Kareem was out)
watch Bird/Celtics in 1981 in the Finals to see what i mean (Bird played horrible, multiple 8 point games, Cedric Maxwell won the FMVP, u think Lebron "choked" last Finals then watch Bird in this one, u will be amazed)

As far as Cavs go.... Lebron had the microscopical amount of help in Cleveland just to do what we saw.... but NOT to win a championship... absolutely not... that team overarchieved like HELL due to only Lebron...

That team was not "built around Lebron".... that team was "Lebron doing the best out of what he has to work with around him".....

If Lebron won a championship in Cleveland with those teammates he had that would be the greatest championship run in NBA history... considering Lebron would be the first player in NBA history to be the closest ever to basically win it "alone", more alone than anybody else won it.... it would be the first time in NBA history a superstar won a championship without a legit sidekick in his team...

[ripthekik]

Well if you give those guys credit, why not the same for LeBron. Did he not save that team in game 6 vs Boston? Those guys were playing in their primes at certain times of these playoffs. LeBron was consistently doing so. Didn't Ron Artest save LA in game 7 against Boston? Kobe needed help. LeBron needs help. Every ****ing superstar needs help to win a title. Quit acting like LeBron is the first guy to get it.
I did give him credit. He played at a really high level, but at the same time, he had the insurance of those guys behind him.

Look at the loses he had this playoffs. He pretty much put up the same stats. Why did they lose? Because Wade and Bosh didn't step up.

Getting help from role players is different. He's getting help from Stars who can take over games on their own. It's the insurance he has that makes his championship that less impressive.

I could beat a guy up easier, if i had my 2 older brother standing behind me :confusedshrug:

[Quickening]

So Jordan gets praised for winning 6 finals on a stacked roster, but people fail to mentioned he couldn't get scrubs to the final like Lebron managed... ok..:lol

[LBJFTW]

As far as Cavs go.... Lebron had the microscopical amount of help in Cleveland just to do what we saw.... but NOT to win a championship... absolutely not... that team overarchieved like HELL due to only Lebron...

That team was not "built around Lebron".... that team was "Lebron doing the best out of what he has to work with around him".....

If Lebron won a championship in Cleveland with those teammates he had that would be the greatest championship run in NBA history... considering Lebron would be the first player in NBA history to be the closest ever to basically win it "alone", more alone than anybody else won it....

And that is what pisses everyone off. He could have been the FIRST to do it alone and would have done that (much, much more sweeter victory) if he had the mindset of a champion like Jordan. He knows this, that's why he's wearing a shirt that says "earned not given" to convince himself otherwise. It's a great victory for him to win a ring this year, but is moot compared to the greatness he would have attained had he won it in Cleveland with the squad he was on.

[ripthekik]

As far as Cavs go.... Lebron had the microscopical amount of help in Cleveland just to do what we saw.... but NOT to win a championship... absolutely not... that team overarchieved like HELL due to only Lebron...

That team was not "built around Lebron".... that team was "Lebron doing the best out of what he has to work with around him".....

No, Lebron is best when he gets to handle the ball at all times, and they surround him with people who hustle, rebound, and can shoot 3's. Did Lebron grab like 70% of his team's rebounds? Did he D up the other team all by himself?

Those guys contributed in their ways, whether it shows on paper or not. A team does not get 60 wins and into the finals if only 1 person is a monster and the rest is all scrubs. Otherwise they can just doubleteam Lebron and watch his teammates brick shot after shot. Game over. His team really isn't all that bad, you're talking like they're the bobcats this year. It was built with Lebron in mind, so of course they're going to look bad.

[Quizno]

people hate too much. i can't stand lebron but i can at least try to be rational. he's an amazing player and one of the best i've ever seen. the awards he's been receiving along with his stats, championship, etc. makes it pretty obvious that he's an all time great. he's one of the best to ever play the game, so just enjoy it. personally, i enjoy cheering against him but it's whatever. dude's an amazing player :lebronamazed:

[ripthekik]

people hate too much. i can't stand lebron but i can at least try to be rational. he's an amazing player and one of the best i've ever seen. the awards he's been receiving along with his stats, championship, etc. makes it pretty obvious that he's an all time great. he's one of the best to ever play the game, so just enjoy it. personally, i enjoy cheering against him but it's whatever. dude's an amazing player :lebronamazed:
:cheers:
Definitely a great player. But wouldn't you really want to see him lead a team to the championship on better terms? Imagine if he was on the big stage with just Bosh. A dominant player should only need one other star and then good role players. He would then be forced to play amazing every single game, backed against the wall.

Bron showed this one game, Game 6. But could he have done it for the entire playoffs? Did he have the heart? We'll never know.

[upside24]

People are really mad about LeBron winning one.

[LBJFTW]

people hate too much. i can't stand lebron but i can at least try to be rational. he's an amazing player and one of the best i've ever seen. the awards he's been receiving along with his stats, championship, etc. makes it pretty obvious that he's an all time great. he's one of the best to ever play the game, so just enjoy it. personally, i enjoy cheering against him but it's whatever. dude's an amazing player :lebronamazed:

So was Jordan but no one hated on Jordan. We bought his shoes so we could "be like Mike" as the commerical said.

What do you mean enjoy it? What is there to enjoy now? Ask yourself why Lebron is so hated as the star of this era as opposed to Jordan.

Hint hint: He's going about it the wrong way. :oldlol:

[AK47DR91]

So was Jordan but no one hated on Jordan. We bought his shoes so we could "be like Mike" as the commerical said.

What do you mean enjoy it? What is there to enjoy now? Ask yourself why Lebron is so hated as the star of this era as opposed to Jordan.

Hint hint: He's going about it the wrong way. :oldlol:
He doesn't deserves even half the hate he's getting. There's a guy by the name of Kobe Bean Byrant who has done worse things on and off the court.

If Kobe can erase most people's opinion of him being a rapist to a champion, I think LeBron can easily erase people's opinion of him being a douche bag to being a champ.

[ripthekik]

He doesn't deserves even half the hate he's getting. There's a guy by the name of Kobe Bean Byrant who has done worse things on and off the court.

If Kobe can erase most people's opinion of him being a rapist to a champion, I think LeBron can easily erase people's opinion of him being a douche bag to being a champ.
He can't erase people's opinion of him winning with 2 other stars though :cheers:


See you all in the "NBA Player Rankings of All time" thread in 2028

[KingBeasley08]

He can't erase people's opinion of him winning with 2 other stars though :cheers:


See you all in the "NBA Player Rankings of All time" thread in 2028
maybe not in your eyes. rest of the world disagrees tho :oldlol:

case in point: look at the rodman/pippen vs. wade/bosh thread. face it pal. most of the world disagrees with you

[ripthekik]

maybe not in your eyes. rest of the world disagrees tho :oldlol:

case in point: look at the rodman/pippen vs. wade/bosh thread. face it pal. most of the world disagrees with you
70% of those people that disagree with me are Lebron/Heat fans who can't accept the truth, this guy won with 2 stars. The rest of the world knows what I'm talking about. He played great, no doubt, but those guys were there.

[KingBeasley08]

70% of those people that disagree with me are Lebron/Heat fans who can't accept the truth, this guy won with 2 stars. The rest of the world knows what I'm talking about. He played great, no doubt, but those guys were there.
just sayin.. i saw fans of all teams there. most ppl in another thread had lebron has a top 11-13 player all time already with the ability to jump into the top ten with another ring

[Deuce Bigalow]

So Jordan gets praised for winning 6 finals on a stacked roster, but people fail to mentioned he couldn't get scrubs to the final like Lebron managed... ok..:lol
:facepalm

In '07 the only team in the East that was a threat were the old Pistons, that were way past their prime

In the '80s you got Bird's Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons with Isiah and Rodman in the Eastern Conference

And you know what happened once Lebron got to the Finals in '07 and faced a real contender? He got swept and couldn't even shoot 36% for the series

[CelticBaller]

So Jordan gets praised for winning 6 finals on a stacked roster, but people fail to mentioned he couldn't get scrubs to the final like Lebron managed... ok..:lol
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ripthekik]

So Jordan gets praised for winning 6 finals on a stacked roster, but people fail to mentioned he couldn't get scrubs to the final like Lebron managed... ok..:lol
Going for the trifecta :facepalm

[G-train]

That's not a major accomplishment. Let's just use Magic for an example. What could possibly be the circumstances that would cause Magic to want to leave the Lakers? He is drafted to one of the most storied franchises that has the best player in the game in Kareem at the time, who was also the league's MVP. Then despite winning a title, somehow the organization is still able to continuously draft and add hall of famers to the roster over the next couple of years in Worthy and McAdoo. To top it off, he has the DPOY coming off of the bench by '87. Poor Magic...He deserves a medal for sticking it out through such hard times in LA. :facepalm

Celebrating Magic for staying with the team that drafted him is like praising Jay Z for "enduring the struggles of having to have sex with Beyonce' every night." Poor Jay Z...How does he do it?

Let's not forget Magic would only play if the Lakers drafted him, and refused to go to Chicago.

[Jacks3]

Those numbers are insane. :bowdown:

[Alamo]

Those numbers are insane. :bowdown:


I've seen better :durantunimpressed:

[RRR3]

I've seen better :durantunimpressed:
Same, but not very many. And all of the people who have numbers equal or better than LBJ's are around the top 10 in most GOAT lists. :pimp:

[Legends66NBA7]

More people to the IL.

[Alamo]

More people to the IL.


??

[Legends66NBA7]

??

Not you man.

:cheers

Just too many people trolling the thread.

[Dengness9]

Given

NOT

EARNED

[Simple Jack]

Yes, he will. Are you aware that the only reason why people didn't give a **** about what Moses did was because after joining Julius Erving, Andrew Toney, Maurice Cheeks and Bobby Jones, he had to beat Kareem, Majic, Worthy and Jamaal Wilkes. That's a much bigger feat than joining the 2nd best player in the game (Wade) and all-star (Bosh) and beating a team with Westbrook, Durant and Harding. :oldlol:

If anything, no one will remember 10 years from now that Wade and Bosh played poorly. They will just know that they were top level players when James joined them and that he did so because he knew he couldn't get it done in NY.

Great reasoning; as if the time period after him joining up and before he reached the finals was erased in history. That NBA regular season and playoffs leading up until the finals never happened. Vanished.

Love the people acting like Miami was some type of juggernaut going into the finals when OKC was favored. Not to mention, something being out of your control, such as who you face in the finals, shouldn't change peoples minds about the decision to change to another team. One is independent of the other.

[Simple Jack]

No, to be honest I'm not that familiar with his career.
But you've just proved my point. YOU remember him, and YOU remember him joining up with other superstars and winning a ring.

That's how we'll remember Lebron as well. Very talented, but had to join up.

Because I mentioned it, it means that's how I remember Moses?

It was a huge move in his career but it doesn't change how I view him as a player and never has. It's just something to note considering all the hate LeBron has received for making a move to a team even less stacked than those Sixers.

[Dengness9]

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[gilalizard]

His career so far is unfortunately largely defined by the historical levels of favoritism he receives from the refs.

This is an inconvenient truth.

He is phenomenally talented. A generational player with GOAT potential.

But because he receives such blatant bias in his favor, it's impossible to judge how great he actually is. He exists in a class by himself when it comes to receiving "star calls", and thus he has it far easier than any other player.

And the inexorable logic of this is, because he has it far easier, if you really are concerned with legit competition first and foremost, you have to ask how he would fair if he didn't have it so easy by receiving so much blatant favoritism from the league and officials.

That is the real question. And it throws everything else into question.

Which is why so few will ask it.

/kaboom

[Nevaeh]

"Perfect in the finals" is the fvcking lamest shit people use to bolster someone like MJ or Duncan's superiority. A lot of people truly, legitimately, in their hearts believe that failing to reach the finals but having a perfect record when they get their is vastly superior to multiple trips to the finals but not winning all of them. I heard one retard say that Magic getting to the finals NINE FVCKING TIMES isn't that impressive because he "only" won five of those. :facepalm

Perfect in the Finals, with 6 Finals MVPs to boot. That's why it's "superior". Won't derail R's thread though, although the damage is done.

[LBJMVP]

that 2008-2009 playoff run... i will always remember that one.

destroyed the pistons, destroyed the hawks (i live in Georgia so i had a fun time with that series with my friends who are hawks fun)

sadly we had a bad matchup against orlando.

[NumberSix]

Perfect in the Finals, with 6 Finals MVPs to boot. That's why it's "superior".
Yeah, that leaves 9 years that he didn't even make the finals.

No matter how you try to frame it, making it to the finals > losing in the 1st 3 rounds.

Please explain to me why the Clippers were better than OKC this season. The Clippers didn't lose the finals. They got swept in round 2. That's better, right?

[Nevaeh]

Yeah, that leaves 9 years that he didn't even make the finals.

No matter how you try to frame it, making it to the finals > losing in the 1st 3 rounds.

Please explain to me why the Clippers were better than OKC this season. The Clippers didn't lose the finals. They got swept in round 2. That's better, right?

But the years he did make the Finals weren't wasted opportunities either. And like I said, 6 Finals MVPs to Boot!!

[Lebron23]

I cannot wait to see LeBron in the 2012 Olympics. He's gonna kick some @$$ in London.

[nashwade]

if he wins 7, he's ahead of MJ but he's 27 this year so very unlikely

[BallsOut]

His career so far is unfortunately largely defined by the historical levels of favoritism he receives from the refs.

This is an inconvenient truth.

He is phenomenally talented. A generational player with GOAT potential.

But because he receives such blatant bias in his favor, it's impossible to judge how great he actually is. He exists in a class by himself when it comes to receiving "star calls", and thus he has it far easier than any other player.

And the inexorable logic of this is, because he has it far easier, if you really are concerned with legit competition first and foremost, you have to ask how he would fair if he didn't have it so easy by receiving so much blatant favoritism from the league and officials.

That is the real question. And it throws everything else into question.

Which is why so few will ask it.

/kaboom

this

[Lebron23]

if he wins 7, he's ahead of MJ but he's 27 this year so very unlikely


Miami needs to sign some younger SG if Wade starts to decline in his mid 30's. I think LeBron will have the longevity of a Karl Malone. MJ was 28 yrs.old when he won his first Finals MVP.

[NumberSix]

But the years he did make the Finals weren't wasted opportunities either. And like I said, 6 Finals MVPs to Boot!!
So, SAS losing the WCF is a better accomplishment than OKC winning it then losing the finals.

So your mentality is that when Michael Jordan lost in the ECF and came in 3rd place, that was bad, but it could have been worst. At lest he didn't come in 2nd place?

This is the wrold we live in? 2nd place = the worst?


3rd place > 2nd place
5th place > 2nd place
7th place > 2nd place

Do you really think that's logical?


If I tell you that Shaq has 4 1st place finishes and 2 2nd places finishes, do you honestly think Duncan having 4 1st places and a bunch of 3rd, 5th and 7th place finishes is a better record? Do you think that's sensible?

[ripthekik]

I cannot wait to see LeBron in the 2012 Olympics. He's gonna kick some @$$ in London.
With the help of Westbrook, Durant, Bosh, etc :lol