Atlanta Hawks To Blow Up Roster? Sam Amick

[Clippersfan86]

Sam Amick

"Well, that didn't take long: with Atlanta GM Danny Ferry in his first day on the job, the message is spreading that he'll be looking to shake up the Hawks' roster and rebuild in some capacity. No specifics yet, but forward Josh Smith has tremendous value and an expiring contract (next season at $13.2 million), center Al Horford will be healthy again and is an attractive piece as well (four years, $48 million remaining) and shooting guard Joe Johnson has the sort of deal that any sane GM would try - and likely try in vain - to get rid of (four years and $89.3 million left)."

[Alamo]

Finally

[EricGordon23]

Bout time!!!!

If Dallas Can't get Deron they should grab Joe Johnson for Lamar Odom and Brendan Haywood

[Clippersfan86]

Bout time!!!!

If Dallas Can't get Deron they should grab Joe Johnson for Lamar Odom and Brendan Haywood

Mo Williams+Gomes for JJ :pimp: :pimp:

[pegasus]

Bynum + fillers for Horford + Smith?

[hawkfan]

Sam Amick

"Well, that didn't take long: with Atlanta GM Danny Ferry in his first day on the job, the message is spreading that he'll be looking to shake up the Hawks' roster and rebuild in some capacity. No specifics yet, but forward Josh Smith has tremendous value and an expiring contract (next season at $13.2 million), center Al Horford will be healthy again and is an attractive piece as well (four years, $48 million remaining) and shooting guard Joe Johnson has the sort of deal that any sane GM would try - and likely try in vain - to get rid of (four years and $89.3 million left)."

Here's what the Hawks need to do:

1. Amnesty Joe Johnson. He's not worth 22 million per season, but for a team like Minnesota he would be worth 13 million. The Hawks then would be 13 million under the cap (right now we are right at the cap). Use that money to spend on another max level free agent.
2. Trade away Marvin Williams. That frees up another 8 million in cap space to use to add a big (Omer Asik would be a nice pick up). Cleveland likes Marvin - send him for 2 2nd round picks.
3. Draft Fab Melo with our first round pick.
4. Re-sign Josh Smith to a max level deal.
5. Get a legitimate back up point guard.
6. Let Hinrich, McGrady, Dampier, Stackhouse go.
7. Re-sign Willie Green, VladRAd, Pargo, Johnson.

[Clippersfan86]

Bynum + fillers for Horford + Smith?

:eek: Lakers would stay elite for another 5+ years probably... then again I don't see ATL doing that because it's so lopsided. Horford alone isn't much worse than Bynum and is on a much cheaper contract. Smith is a borderline elite PF.

[hawkfan]

Mo Williams+Gomes for JJ :pimp: :pimp:

Actually that isn't a bad deal for the Hawks.
2 expirers for Johnson, giving the Hawks 22 million in cap space in the summer of 2013.
Don't know if the Clippers want that cap clogging contract on their books.

[Clippersfan86]

Actually that isn't a bad deal for the Hawks.
2 expirers for Johnson, giving the Hawks 22 million in cap space in the summer of 2013.
Don't know if the Clippers want that cap clogging contract on their books.

It's not about want though. They would have 3 max deals+DJ's 10 mill which would obviously be impossible :( . I can dream though.

[BGriffin's Dad]

http://i.imgur.com/2lRg3.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82zhq7g)

[EricGordon23]

Bynum + fillers for Horford + Smith?

Thats a Dynasty for the lakers

[Clippersfan86]

http://i.imgur.com/2lRg3.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82zhq7g)

Looks great for Magic+Lakers but Hawks get royally fu**ed in the ass.

[EricGordon23]

http://i.imgur.com/2lRg3.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82zhq7g)

No way ATL gets robbed.

[Meticode]

Maybe they should try to keep Horford? He's still only 26 I believe and finding a good big-man can be a hassle.

[fsvr54]

I will hate this dude for life if he gets rid of Smith of Teague.

[Foster5k]

http://i.imgur.com/2lRg3.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82zhq7g)
-Lakers lose to the Heat in the Finals.(6 game series)
-Magic first round exit

And the Hawks... :roll: Get royally screwed. Set their franchise back even more years.

[jalbert009]

Here's what the Hawks need to do:

1. Amnesty Joe Johnson. He's not worth 22 million per season

Why would you pay someone 100 Million dollars for nothing???? Joe Johnson can still give you 20/4/4 especially if he went to a bad team like bobcats, kings or suns. He needs to be traded for other smaller bad contracts that are easier to move or expiring contracts. JJ for Magette+Diop would be nice.

[Clippersfan86]

Hawks would be fighting for the 1st pick in the draft for a while if they did that trade :lol :lol .

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

http://i.imgur.com/2lRg3.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82zhq7g)

good job...i love that trade

[fsvr54]

http://i.imgur.com/2lRg3.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82zhq7g)


:biggums:

Hawks lose their three best players.

[Clippersfan86]

:biggums:

Hawks lose their three best players.

Wait you don't think that's a fair trade??????? :roll: You get to build around Bynum, Steve Blake and JJ Reddick man. Good deal!

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Bynum + fillers for Horford + Smith?
yup, then trade Gasol and Horford for Dwight Howard.
Howard and Josh Smith would LOVE to play together.

[BGriffin's Dad]

No way ATL gets robbed.

fine... martin and butler, if we're feeling kind

http://i.imgur.com/ZQIEn.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tjjbxa)

[Foster5k]

good job...i love that trade
Of course a Kobe stan loves that trade. Unfortunately, for stans, Hawks aren't that stupid. But hell, they did pay Joe Johnson $100 million so anything can happen.

[Clippersfan86]

fine... martin and butler, if we're feeling kind

http://i.imgur.com/ZQIEn.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tjjbxa)

:roll: I approve.

[fsvr54]

fine... martin and butler, if we're feeling kind

http://i.imgur.com/ZQIEn.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tjjbxa)


I'd do this in ****in hearbeat. Joe Johnson is a cancer.

[EricGordon23]

Joe Johnson for Dalembert and Kevin Martin

[Da KO King]

Good idea but wrong person to execute it.

[EricGordon23]

fine... martin and butler, if we're feeling kind

http://i.imgur.com/ZQIEn.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tjjbxa)

Thats way Better.

[longtime lurker]

http://i.imgur.com/2lRg3.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82zhq7g)

Good God do the Hawks get raped on that trade.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Bring T-Mac back to Rockets if they get Dwight.

[Foster5k]

Bring T-Mac back to Rockets if they get Dwight.
:oldlol:

To do what? Exit the first round?

[Meticode]

Bring T-Mac back to Rockets if they get Dwight.
You trying to jinx them?

[CelticBaller]

horford or smith would be welcome in to the celtics

[MiseryCityTexas]

Y'all gotta point there, but i miss T-Mac when he was in his prime, and i still think he got something (anything) left in the tank.

[hawkfan]

Why would you pay someone 100 Million dollars for nothing???? Joe Johnson can still give you 20/4/4 especially if he went to a bad team like bobcats, kings or suns. He needs to be traded for other smaller bad contracts that are easier to move or expiring contracts. JJ for Magette+Diop would be nice.

If a guy gets amnestied and another team picks him up, the original team only owes the difference.

So the Hawks now are due for about 20 million this year for Joe. If Minnesota bids 13 million, the Hawks pay 7 million this season. The amount changes but it is less the 13 million per season.

The Nets were paying 7 million for Travis Outlaw. The Kings bid 3 million, so the Nets owe 4 million per season until the contract runs out.

[hawkfan]

Bring T-Mac back to Rockets if they get Dwight.

Tracy McGrady needs to retire and become an announcer or scout.
His body has nothing left.

[blacknapalm]

amnesty JJ or trade smith. smith's trade value might be at an all-time high after this past season. let teague play...ya know, PG. having teague give up the ball to either JJ or smith to iso while he stands there and watches does nobody any favors.

then they can sign illyasova and a hustling utility big

[spiegel]

You trying to jinx them?
You cant blame mac for this series loss. I thought he played wll given real minutes. He an Green were their best bench players.

[irondarts]

fine... martin and butler, if we're feeling kind

http://i.imgur.com/ZQIEn.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tjjbxa)
Rockets get screwed, but no doubt the Hawks would accept this deal in a minute.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Bass S&T, JaJuan Johnson and #21 for Horford. No need to trade for Smith as he wants to be in Boston anyway so we'll wait til free agency.

[G-train]

Bynum + fillers for Horford + Smith?

Horford and Smith are each individually slightly worse than Bynum.
So no.

[spiegel]

fine... martin and butler, if we're feeling kind

http://i.imgur.com/ZQIEn.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tjjbxa)
Do you even think when you post this garbage? Houston gives up Parsons and KM for a overrated Jordan and a scrub like Gomez?

[Suckafree]

fine... martin and butler, if we're feeling kind

http://i.imgur.com/ZQIEn.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tjjbxa)

Why did you add Parsons in this? This deal would almost be plausible if you didnt throw in Parsons too.

Still not sure that the Rockets would Give Dalembert+Martin just for DJ.
Great trade for Hawks Plus Clippers though.




How about Deng for Horford straight up?

[LA_Showtime]

As King James would say, "About damn time."

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Joe Johnson has THE WORST contract in the league. Why? Because it has 4 more years on it.
Here is how they dump JJ on the Lakers.

JJ and Josh Smith
for
Gasol, MWP, Blake

Lakers take on less than $1m in extra salary (however, they are on the hook for JJ for a very long time).

Could either Kobe or JJ play a different position? Probably not.

[LA_Showtime]

Joe Johnson has THE WORST contract in the league. Why? Because it has 4 more years on it.
Here is how they dump JJ on the Lakers.

JJ and Josh Smith
for
Gasol, MWP, Blake

Lakers take on less than $1m in extra salary (however, they are on the hook for JJ for a very long time).

Could either Kobe or JJ play a different position? Probably not.

Why would you suggest a trade that sucks and then mention that it wouldn't work because Kobe and Johnson play the same position?

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Why would you suggest a trade that sucks and then mention that it wouldn't work because Kobe and Johnson play the same position?
Does it suck? :confusedshrug:
They get much younger and more athletic.
Also, JJ has played a lot of PG, mostly in his younger years.
However, he is 6-7, 240lbs.
That is a small forward in today's league.

[LA_Showtime]

Does it suck? :confusedshrug:
They get much younger and more athletic.
Also, JJ has played a lot of PG, mostly in his younger years.
However, he is 6-7, 240lbs.
That is a small forward in today's league.

Yes, it sucks. Johnson's contract sucks. We already have one overpaid shooting guard who's killing our cap space. We don't need two. If we want to compete before Kobe retires, we have to fill out our bench and find a legitimate point guard who's willing and able to defer away from Kobe and get the big guys involved.

[GOBB]

Iggy for Josh Smith.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Joe Johnson has THE WORST contract in the league. Why? Because it has 4 more years on it.
Here is how they dump JJ on the Lakers.

JJ and Josh Smith
for
Gasol, MWP, Blake

Lakers take on less than $1m in extra salary (however, they are on the hook for JJ for a very long time).

Could either Kobe or JJ play a different position? Probably not.

R u fcuking retard? Joe Johnson is not even 3rd option on a championship team

His contract makes Kobe contract much passable

[jalbert009]

If a guy gets amnestied and another team picks him up, the original team only owes the difference.

So the Hawks now are due for about 20 million this year for Joe. If Minnesota bids 13 million, the Hawks pay 7 million this season. The amount changes but it is less the 13 million per season.

The Nets were paying 7 million for Travis Outlaw. The Kings bid 3 million, so the Nets owe 4 million per season until the contract runs out.

Thats a Big "IF" if anyone will be paying JJ 13M a year. You are still throwing away 30Million out the door for free by amnestying JJ at that price. I'm not sure if owners are happy about a decision like that. We got to remember at the end of the day, NBA is a business and losing at least 30M is not a good business deal. I still feel there is a trade that can be done for JJ's contract.

[bagelred]

It's about time they blow up this roster that makes the playoffs every year and went 40 - 26 last year without Al Horford........GOOD RIDDANCE.....BLOW IT UP and get back to the bottom of the East standings for the next 5 - 7 years, on the chance of getting some better draft picks. Now THAT'S how you manage a team.........

[hawkfan]

hawkfan Trade Scenario (where amazing happens):

Hawks get

Michael Beasley
Wesley Johnson
Darko Milicic

Minnesota gets

Joe Johnson

The Wolves get a starting shooting guard to balance the starting lineup of Rubio, Johnson, Williams, Love, Pekovic.

The Hawks get younger and get rid of JJ's monster contract. The Hawks get depth with 3 rotation players.

[hawkfan]

Thats a Big "IF" if anyone will be paying JJ 13M a year. You are still throwing away 30Million out the door for free by amnestying JJ at that price. I'm not sure if owners are happy about a decision like that. We got to remember at the end of the day, NBA is a business and losing at least 30M is not a good business deal. I still feel there is a trade that can be done for JJ's contract.

Check out my trade in this thread - makes sense for both teams.

[hawkfan]

Iggy for Josh Smith.

No.

Re-sign Josh to a max level deal and trade away Marvin and Joe.

[SCdac]

Tony Parker for Al Horford.... you just left the Spurs Ferry, you owe it to us!! haha

[longtime lurker]

Yes, it sucks. Johnson's contract sucks. We already have one overpaid shooting guard who's killing our cap space. We don't need two. If we want to compete before Kobe retires, we have to fill out our bench and find a legitimate point guard who's willing and able to defer away from Kobe and get the big guys involved.

Yeah it sucks but Joe Johnson and Josh Smith are a hell of a lot more value than anything else you'd get for Gasol. :confusedshrug: the days of the Lakers being clear title favourites is over, but with the right complimentary pieces around Kobe and Bynum they can still make a run ala the 2011 Mavs.

[jalbert009]

hawkfan Trade Scenario (where amazing happens):

Hawks get

Michael Beasley
Wesley Johnson
Darko Milicic

Minnesota gets

Joe Johnson

The Wolves get a starting shooting guard to balance the starting lineup of Rubio, Johnson, Williams, Love, Pekovic.

The Hawks get younger and get rid of JJ's monster contract. The Hawks get depth with 3 rotation players.

:applause: I like it. Both Teams work out. Wolves will be heading into the Playoffs and Atlanta heading into the lottery :lol

[G-train]

It's about time they blow up this roster that makes the playoffs every year and went 40 - 26 last year without Al Horford........GOOD RIDDANCE.....BLOW IT UP and get back to the bottom of the East standings for the next 5 - 7 years, on the chance of getting some better draft picks. Now THAT'S how you manage a team.........

:applause:

[B-Easy8]

hawkfan Trade Scenario (where amazing happens):

Hawks get

Michael Beasley
Wesley Johnson
Darko Milicic

Minnesota gets

Joe Johnson

The Wolves get a starting shooting guard to balance the starting lineup of Rubio, Johnson, Williams, Love, Pekovic.

The Hawks get younger and get rid of JJ's monster contract. The Hawks get depth with 3 rotation players.

Good trade.

Although I hate to give up on Beasley as I think he will still turn out to be a star, this would be a great move for us and we would make the playoffs.

[iDunk]

Nets send:
Anthony Morrow
Jordan Farmar (opted in)
Johan Petro
Rockets 2013 1st round pick

Nets receive:
Josh Smith
-----------------------------------
Hawks send:
Josh Smith
Marvin Williams

Hawks receive:
Derrick Williams
Jordan Farmar
Darko Milicic
Johan Petro
#58th pick
2013 2nd round pick
-----------------------------------
Timberwolves send:
Derrick Williams
Darko Milicic
#58th pick
2013 2nd round pick

Timberwolves receive:
Anthony Morrow
Marvin Williams
Rockets 2013 1st round pick

[hawkfan]

:applause: I like it. Both Teams work out. Wolves will be heading into the Playoffs and Atlanta heading into the lottery :lol

No, the Hawks are a better team with this trade.
Wesley Johnson and Beasley can run with Teague, which Joe can't do at this point in his career.
Milicic can provide some size off the bench.
This gives us about 5 million in cap space to sign a full MLE level player - another shooter would be nice.
So the Hawks can add 4 players to the rotation with youth and speed.

[hawkfan]

Nets send:
Anthony Morrow
Jordan Farmar (opted in)
Johan Petro
Rockets 2013 1st round pick


Nets receive:
Josh Smith
-----------------------------------
Hawks send:
Josh Smith

Hawks receive:
Derrick Williams
Jordan Farmar
Johan Petro
#58th pick
2013 2nd round pick
-----------------------------------
Timberwolves send:
Derrick Williams
#58th pick
2013 2nd round pick

Timberwolves receive:
Anthony Morrow
Rockets 2013 1st round pick

Morrow and a 1st for Williams? Don't think the Wolves are doing that.

I like Morrow, but not for the 2nd overall pick in the draft who has the potential to be an 18-8 guy.

[niko]

I'm torn.

On one hand this is a flawed roster. It's not going to get better. So redoing it makes sense.

BUT

Bagelred's little rant, it's very true. This is not a bad team. Tearing it down seems excessive.

[CLTHornets4eva]

I'm not going to make an unrealistic trade I will simply say Josh should be moved for young talent or picks. ONLY way Horford is moved is in order to move JJ and (if possible-probably wouldn't be) Marvin. Horford and Teague could be built around within a couple years with some lottery picks/ or multiple young players.

[CelticBaller]

It's about time they blow up this roster that makes the playoffs every year and went 40 - 26 last year without Al Horford........GOOD RIDDANCE.....BLOW IT UP and get back to the bottom of the East standings for the next 5 - 7 years, on the chance of getting some better draft picks. Now THAT'S how you manage a team.........
yup, keep hanging in mediocrity with the same players that don't fill up your arena :applause:

[CLTHornets4eva]

yup, keep hanging in mediocrity with the same players that don't fill up your arena :applause:

Honestly I think some branding changes... color scheme/ jerseys could help that. ATL is a hard market to figure out. :confusedshrug:

[Hotlantadude81]

http://i.imgur.com/2lRg3.jpg (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82zhq7g)

That shit is garbage.

[G-train]

Nets send:
blah

sucks for minny

[allabouthawks]

i wouldnt mind seeing josh smith or jj traded but id like us to keep teague and horford who are both young and improving

[hawkfan]

Hawks get

Dwight Howard (expirer)
Hedo Turkoglu

Magic get

Al Horford
Joe Johnson

[El Kabong]

Hawks get

Dwight Howard (expirer)
Hedo Turkoglu

Magic get

Al Horford
Joe Johnson
:durantunimpressed:

[Dictator]

Dwight for horford and Williams.

[NBA4EVER]

i wouldnt mind seeing josh smith or jj traded but id like us to keep teague and horford who are both young and improving

Yeah I don't see the Hawks trading Teague or Horford anytime soon