"LeBron didn't have help this year... Wade and Bosh who?"

[Kobr]

I knew we'd see these claims once LeBron eventually squeezed out a ring. :oldlol: In 2011, it was "they only lost because of Wade and Bosh; not LeBron." In 2012, it's "they only won because of LeBron; not Wade and Bosh."

Let's take a look at the finals against the Thunder, shall we?

Game 1

Wade: 19 points, 4 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal
Battier: 17 points, 4 rebounds
Chalmers: 12 points, 2 rebounds, 6 assists
Haslem: 11 rebounds
Bosh: 10 points, 5 rebounds
LeBron: 4 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

Game 2

Wade: 24 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists
Bosh: 16 points, 15 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Battier: 17 points
Chalmers: 3 steals

Game 3

Wade: 25 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals
Bosh: 10 points, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks
Chalmers: 2/3/3/2/1
LeBron: 4 turnovers (2nd most of any Heat player that game)

Game 4

Wade: 25 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
Chalmers: 25 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Bosh: 13 points, 9 rebounds, 1 steal
LeBron: 3 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

Game 5

Bosh: 24 points, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Wade: 20 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks
Miller: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal
Chalmers: 10 points, 2 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals
Battier: 11 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
LeBron: 6 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

No help, right? LeBron did it on his lonesome? Wade averaging 22.6 PPG / 6 RPG / 5.2 APG, Bosh having 2 double-doubles (almost 3), one of which was 16/15, Chalmers having a 25/2/3/2 game, Miller having a 23-point game, Battier having two 17-point games... all had little influence on he outcomes of those games. Huh?

[StateOfMind12]

Lebron had a lot of help from his role players/bench players in the Finals but in the first three series getting to the finals, he was somewhat by himself.

I don't recall many other players showing up in the ECF for the Heat except Bosh in Game 7 for that Celtics series. I think Battier may have knocked down some key shots as well in the ECF but nobody else really. Wade was invisible because the Celtics decided to focus their defense on him. I don't recall shooters doing too well either and they certainly did not play good defense.

Pacers series, he had Wade but that was it. Wade and Lebron took out the Pacers themselves.

Knicks, it doesn't matter whether LeBron played good or not, it's almost impossible to lose to them. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Who said he didn't have help?

[Dictator]

:eek:

^^ You did.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol: why would you post Lebron's turnovers (where are his all-around numbers?) and not do the same for his supporting cast? You would think he was a turnover machine and nothing more. Nice spin.

[G-Funk]

He wouldn't won without them that's 4 sure

[Kobr]

Who said he didn't have help?

It's hyperbole, but posters like pauk, you, Lebron23, kuniva have been minimizing the influence of LeBron's teammates to an extreme level.

This thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268863) is just one example.

[G-Funk]

Lebron had a lot of help from his role players/bench players in the Finals but in the first three series getting to the finals, he was somewhat by himself.

I don't recall many other players showing up in the ECF for the Heat except Bosh in Game 7 for that Celtics series. I think Battier may have knocked down some key shots as well in the ECF but nobody else really. Wade was invisible because the Celtics decided to focus their defense on him. I don't recall shooters doing too well either and they certainly did not play good defense.

Pacers series, he had Wade but that was it. Wade and Lebron took out the Pacers themselves.

Knicks, it doesn't matter whether LeBron played good or not, it's almost impossible to lose to them. :oldlol:


Pacers, Knicks & Celtics??????? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Heat would have won with Bosh instead of Bron. sorry ass C-list teams.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You need a team in order to win a championship? No way!!! :eek: :bowdown:

[NumberSix]

It's hyperbole, but posters like pauk, you, Lebron23, kuniva have been minimizing the influence of LeBron's teammates to an extreme level.
When did I minimize his team mates? :confusedshrug:

[StateOfMind12]

Pacers, Knicks & Celtics??????? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Heat would have won with Bosh instead of Bron. sorry ass C-list teams.
and the Heat would have or at least could have won with Bosh instead of Wade and by won, I mean won the title.


He wouldn't won without them that's 4 sure
Obviously, the Heat without those two is just as bad as the Cavs teams he played with.

[Dictator]

Heat fans have no excuse:roll: :oldlol:

[Kingwillball]

Wade offering up the Excuses as to his Play teetering off with the bad Knee says he was LUCKY to be 80%.. So if he is HEalthy next year along with Bosh and Lebron continues to Dominate dont see anyone knocking the Heat off.

[DFish]

Wade averaging 22.6 PPG / 6 RPG / 5.2 APG, Bosh having 2 double-doubles (almost 3), one of which was 16/15, Chalmers having a 25/2/3/2 game, Miller having a 23-point game, Battier having two 17-point games... all had little influence on he outcomes of those games. Huh?

Considering the fact that Dwyane Wade is something like a 25/5/6 career SG, I'd say that's pretty damn good production from Wade despite what everyone has been saying about him. He didn't disappear in any of the finals games.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

OP, you forgot to add:
33%, 25%, 33%, 40%

[keepinitreal]

lol

[ripthekik]

Great thread, OP.

Lebron had a lot of help from his role players/bench players in the Finals but in the first three series getting to the finals, he was somewhat by himself.

I don't recall many other players showing up in the ECF for the Heat except Bosh in Game 7 for that Celtics series. I think Battier may have knocked down some key shots as well in the ECF but nobody else really. Wade was invisible because the Celtics decided to focus their defense on him. :
:oldlol: You are a damn joke you know that?
You said Wade was invisible, but even you know the Celtics focused their defense on him, and in fact they double teamed him instead of Lebron. You think that isn't help? That doesn't make the game LOTS easier for Lebron?

That's the luxury Lebron has playing with a top SG. Lebron/Heat fans act like Wade didn't do crap cuz of his stats. :facepalm
Watch the games, his existence, presence on the court ALONE helped Lebron.

[lebeast666]

He obviously had help. You don't win a championship without help lol. But really let's not act like Bosh wasn't out most the playoffs and Wade wasn't inconsistent and role players sucking. The finals is where Miami played
their best team game especially the last game where everyone was involved.

[ripthekik]

He had help. From a top 3 SG and top 5 PF.
That is the truth and how it'll be remembered in history.

[bmulls]

HOLD THE FKC UP

so you're telling me you have to have teammates to win basketball games?

[lbj23clutch]

If anything I've heard more people claiming he was carried by Bosh and Wade? Nobody said he did it himself. Nobody wins a championship by themselves. Why can't you all just man up and applaud the man for once?

[ripthekik]

HOLD THE FKC UP

so you're telling me you have to have teammates to win basketball games?
The difference is, when you're the number 1 player in the league, most people don't need another top 3 SG and top 5 PF:lol

Of course everyone need good teammates. Some need more than that.

[bmulls]

The difference is, when you're the number 1 player in the league, most people don't need another top 3 SG and top 5 PF:lol

Of course everyone need good teammates. Some need more than that.

Yeah, if you're Kobe you need a top 5 PF and a top 2 center.

Lebron was a beast in these playoffs and carried the Heat to a championship. He showed up big time in big games and was clutch when he needed to be. Stay bitter.

[LakersReign]

Yeah, if you're Kobe you need a top 5 PF and a top 2 center.

Lebron was a beast in these playoffs and carried the Heat to a championship. He showed up big time in big games and was clutch when he needed to be. Stay bitter.

Yeah cuz everybody else in the NBA gets "carried" EXCEPT for Lebron, since he supposedly won all by himself...right? Which explains exactly why he couldn't stay in Cleveland to win. But rather had leave to be able to do so in Miami....right?:rolleyes:

Stay stupid my friend:facepalm

[bmulls]

Yeah cuz everybody else in the NBA gets "carried" EXCEPT for Lebron, since he did it all by himself...right? Which explains exactly why he could stay in Cleveland to win. But rather had to do so in Miami....right?:rolleyes:

Stay stupid my friend:facepalm

Lebron took scrubs to the NBA finals in Cleveland. Your boy Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round without Shaq or Gasol/Bynum.

[StateOfMind12]

Great thread, OP.

:oldlol: You are a damn joke you know that?
You said Wade was invisible, but even you know the Celtics focused their defense on him, and in fact they double teamed him instead of Lebron. You think that isn't help? That doesn't make the game LOTS easier for Lebron?

That's the luxury Lebron has playing with a top SG. Lebron/Heat fans act like Wade didn't do crap cuz of his stats. :facepalm
Watch the games, his existence, presence on the court ALONE helped Lebron.
I hope you realize that the Celtics only doubled Wade in that series because Lebron is the much better and a much more dangerous passer/playmaker so if the Celtics did bother to double LeBron, it could have hurt them even more because it would have created more open shots for everyone else.

[LakersReign]

Lebron took scrubs to the NBA finals in Cleveland. Your boy Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round without Shaq or Gasol/Bynum.

You mean those same scrubs bandwagon Lebron/Cavs/Heat fans like you were hyping up as the championship Cavs team? If Lebron is so supposedly great and can also supposedly win all by himself, then why couldn't he win in Cleveland with those same "scrubs?" The fact of the matter is, your boy Lebron couldn't win a damn thing WITHOUT Wade and Bosh, so please continue making yourself look even more stupid. Trying to sit there and say he supposedly won all by himself.:roll:

Sheer mind boggling stupidity:facepalm

[ripthekik]

I hope you realize that the Celtics only doubled Wade in that series because Lebron is the much better and a much more dangerous passer/playmaker so if the Celtics did bother to double LeBron, it could have hurt them even more because it would have created more open shots for everyone else.
Nobody said they had to double Lebron. But why double Wade if he's not dangerous then?

The Boston coaching staff, professionals, knows his worth and capability. He is still the top 2 SG, top player in the league, extremely dangerous. They acknowledge this by doubling him.

And you had the guts to say Wade disappeared? Wade was invisible and Lebron did everything by himself? :oldlol:
I'm sure the Boston coaching staff isn't so stupid to double team a guy that's invisible.

Your love of Lebron is blinding you :oldlol:

[eurobum]

[sarcasm]pfff, 23-5-5 on nearly 50 %, what a horrid year by "random" SG all star wade.[/]

[RazorBaLade]

Yeah, if you're Kobe you need a top 5 PF and a top 2 center.

Lebron was a beast in these playoffs and carried the Heat to a championship. He showed up big time in big games and was clutch when he needed to be. Stay bitter.

Excuse me? When did kobe have a top 5 pf and a top 2 center?

[ihoopallday]

He did have help. That's kind of the whole purpose of having a 12 man roster. What'd you expect him to average 90 ppg to be satisfied?

[ripthekik]

He did have help. That's kind of the whole purpose of having a 12 man roster. What'd you expect him to average 90 ppg to be satisfied?
Stop taking things out of context, learn to read, geez.

No one is saying there is anything wrong with getting help. Most championship teams consist of one or two superstars and good role players who provide help.

But this team? Lebron, as the best player in the NBA today, needed help from a top 3 SG and top 5 PF, along with good role players. He got more than enough help.. in fact TOO MUCH help. That's the problem.

[pauk]

Who said he didnt have help?

[pauk]

Stop taking things out of context, learn to read, geez.

No one is saying there is anything wrong with getting help. Most championship teams consist of one or two superstars and good role players who provide help.

But this team? Lebron, as the best player in the NBA today, needed help from a top 3 SG and top 5 PF, along with good role players. He got more than enough help.. in fact TOO MUCH help. That's the problem.

1. The roleplayers have been horrible, undersized, injured, unproductive 95% of the year, the best ive seen them hit those open shots was in the Finals.... luckily enough...

2. Top 3 and Top 5 excuse wont help you when that SG was a 22 PPG guy (and injured much of the year) and is in a SG weak decade (declining/aging Kobe... what else good SG is there besides Wade) and the other was a 14 PPG guy (also injured much of the year where Lebron & Wade won the toughest series without him).... Would you call Horace Grant & Westbrook superstars?

3. If Lebron had TOO MUCH help...
what do we say about Durant with Westbrook (best PG), Harden (best 6th man), Ibaka (dpoy), Sefolosha (one of the best perimeter defenders), Perkins, Cook, Collison and so on....
If Lebron had TOO MUCH help...
what do we say about Lebron having to do much more than he ever did in Cleveland for the team to be successful and why do they ALWAYS lose when he plays under his standards?

4. No my friend... this was all Lebron... he did it all from scratch... he EARNED this one, nobody gave it to him.... he is the biggest reason to this championship

[ripthekik]

Where the hell did this Lebron hater come from?

1. The roleplayers have been horrible, undersized, injured, unproductive 95% of the year, the best ive seen them hit those open shots was in the Finals.... luckily enough...

2. Top 3 and Top 5 excuse wont help you when that SG was a 22 PPG guy (and injured much of the year) and the other was a 14 PPG guy (also injured much of the year where Lebron & Wade won the toughest series without him).... Would you call Horace Grant & Westbrook superstars?
I came from whereever the hell your Lebron fan ass came from :lol

1. Even disregarding how they stepped up and played like champions in the finals, but you calling Haslem and Battier chumps?

2. :oldlol: This guy again, calling Wade/Bosh Horace grant :oldlol:
Your ass has been proven wrong by numbers in the 1st page of this thread. Wade still played at a really high overall level, and he stepped up like primetime when he was needed. He was also doubled by Celtics, opening the court for Lebron. Without Bosh they were down to Pacers and Celtics. Does that sound like the impact of some random 14PPG guy? :lol

Even heat fans will disagree with your ass about their impact. Time to pull your head out of the dark.

[Round Mound]

Excuse me? When did kobe have a top 5 pf and a top 2 center?

[B]SHAQ: Best Player and Center in the League N

[Rnbizzle]

you guys are so mad :lol

[Apogee]

you guys are so mad :lol

I know! jeez haters worked up over nothing sometimes. Why are yall so mad??:confusedshrug:

[pauk]

I came from whereever the hell your Lebron fan ass came from :lol

1. Even disregarding how they stepped up and played like champions in the finals, but you calling Haslem and Battier chumps?

2. :oldlol: This guy again, calling Wade/Bosh Horace grant :oldlol:
Your ass has been proven wrong by numbers in the 1st page of this thread. Wade still played at a really high overall level, and he stepped up like primetime when he was needed. He was also doubled by Celtics, opening the court for Lebron. Without Bosh they were down to Pacers and Celtics. Does that sound like the impact of some random 14PPG guy? :lol

Even heat fans will disagree with your ass about their impact. Time to pull your head out of the dark.

Like talking to a brick wall.... remove your insults, lebron hatred, that tasteless avatar and then maybe at least one guy on this forum will take you seriously...

Seriously tho where the hell did you come from and why now? Registered 2006 and managed only 800 posts in soon 7 years... returning only now actively... because Lebron won a championship....

[SilkkTheShocker]

This ripthekik guy is mad butthurt :oldlol:

[ripthekik]

Like talking to a brick wall.... remove your insults, lebron hatred, that tasteless avatar and then maybe at least one guy on this forum will take you seriously...

Seriously tho where the hell did you come from and why now? Registered 2006 and managed only 800 posts in soon 7 years... returning only now actively... because Lebron won a championship....
i think you're the one who no one takes seriously on this forum :lol
blind lebron love all day long.
I have return to bring justice to this board.



This ripthekik guy is mad butthurt :oldlol:
You're butthurt I owned you and other lebron fans in multiple arguments the last few days :roll: :roll:

[LBJ 23]

This ripthekik guy is mad butthurt :oldlol:


He came back from his cave and for the last 3 days he's trolling non stop in every thread about Lebron.

[j3lademaster]

Just throwing out a completely objective question since we've already made this Lebron vs. Kobe. Would you rather 11-12 Wade and 11-12 Bosh knowing or 01-02 Shaq?

If you say it's about even then maybe you should stfu and just applaud Lebron on his playoff run...

[ripthekik]

Would you rather 11-12 Wade and 11-12 Bosh knowing or 01-02 Shaq?

:biggums:
Um.. before you try to throw out a question to make a statement.. maybe you should make sure people can understand you? :lol
Ah... Lebron fans, love em.

[KingBeasley08]

He came back from his cave and for the last 3 days he's trolling non stop in every thread about Lebron.
true :lol

[ripthekik]

true :lol
Another typical Lebron fan response :lol :lol
I am the troll? I backup all my statement with arguments.

Lebron fans?
1) ignore the argument
2) attack kobe :oldlol:
3) attack the poster
43) but but but lebron is the best

tell me who is the troll:confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He came back from his cave and for the last 3 days he's trolling non stop in every thread about Lebron.

Yep

[ripthekik]

Yep
Here comes another victim

Is this a support group? You all got butthurt so bad? :lol :lol
Go ahead, say it out loud, tell everyone how he hurt you.
Group hug shall commence at the end of session
:cheers:

[LBJ 23]

I am the troll? I backup all my statement with arguments.



http://hellogiggles.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/09/what-matters-most-only-one-person-needs-to-love-you-its-you-demotivational-poster-1262897910.jpeg

[ripthekik]

http://hellogiggles.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/09/what-matters-most-only-one-person-needs-to-love-you-its-you-demotivational-poster-1262897910.jpeg
Take a number, you can sit down beside kuniva_dAMiGhTy

[Dictator]

Lets be real. Lebron got more than the last 10 fmvps. Plus and easy eastern conference.

[pegasus]

The biggest help he's got was from the refs. See games 2-4 for evidence.

The finals were officiated fairly last year (only game 3 was in Dallas' favor, which they lost; and game 4 was in Miami's favor, which they also lost).

This year we saw what kind of difference having the refs on your side can help a player like Lebron. He, again, couldn't shoot the ball to save his life, but was able to get to the line whenever he barreled into defenders. And Wade got his usual "whistles", too, and Battier got away with shoving and moving stances all series long.

There was no way Stern was gonna rig the finals last year since everyone was still talking about what happened in 2006, but this year was a different story. The "King" had to get a ring.

[LBJ 23]

Lets be real. Lebron got more than the last 10 fmvps. Plus and easy eastern conference.


Explain this to me then. Why it's only now, after the Finals, that Lebron has so much help and before the Finals every one of you was saying how OKC will win because they are much deeper, more complete team etc... To me that meant that Durant has even ''more help'' than Lebron if everyone was saying this and picking OKC to win. Now, if OKC won would you still be saying that Durant had so much or too much help? And somehow try to discredit his ring? I really doubt it.

But as usual it's Lebron and we have to find something to hate on him. It can't be his game, can't be 4th quarters, can't be clutch time, now it's to much help :applause:

[Dictator]

Explain this to me then. Why it's only now, after the Finals, that Lebron has so much help and before the Finals every one of you was saying how OKC will win because they are much deeper, more complete team etc... To me that meant that Durant has even ''more help'' than Lebron if everyone was saying this and picking OKC to win. Now, if OKC won would you still be saying that Durant had so much or too much help? And somehow try to discredit his ring? I really doubt it.

But as usual it's Lebron and we have to find something to hate on him. It can't be his game, can't be 4th quarters, can't be clutch time, now it's to much help :applause:


You serious? Just read the first post....

[Timrock]

Lebron took scrubs to the NBA finals in Cleveland. Your boy Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round without Shaq or Gasol/Bynum.

how many playoff games did gasol win before he came to LA?

I think the same thing can be said for gasol.

[LBJ 23]

You serious? Just read the first post....


Which first post?

And you still didn't answer my question. Why was everyone picking OKC to win it all then if Lebron had sooooo much help? I think that ''help'' was there also before the Finals wasn't it?




Props to Wade and Bosh for good play in the Finals, but it just bothers me reading all this sh!t like this was prime Wade from 2009 and Bosh in his best form completely injury free...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Here comes another victim

Is this a support group? You all got butthurt so bad? :lol :lol
Go ahead, say it out loud, tell everyone how he hurt you.
Group hug shall commence at the end of session
:cheers:

:biggums:

[RRR3]

Apparently lebrons ring only counts if he plays with a dleague team and doesn't take a single free throw the entire playoffs:roll: why does no other player get held to the same standards?:confusedshrug: I thought you haters thought he wasn't that good.

[pegasus]

Props to Wade and Bosh for good play in the Finals, but it just bothers me reading all this sh!t like this was prime Wade from 2009 and Bosh in his best form completely injury free...

It was prime Wade playing the "Robin" role to Lebron. You can't have two superstars playing with their usual "score-first" mentality at the same time.

Last year Wade had that mentality and was successful, but Lebron collapsed because he didn't know how to play off the ball (plus refs didn't kiss his ass like they did this year). So Wade took a back seat, for which he should get more credit.

And Bosh seemed completely injury free and actually played better than he did last year, because he was consistent on both ends of the floor. Factor in the superb games by Battier, Miller, and Chalmers, you're looking at the real reason why they won, not Lebron and his pathetic shooting.

[KingBeasley08]

It was prime Wade playing the "Robin" role to Lebron. You can't have two superstars playing with their usual "score-first" mentality at the same time.

Last year Wade had that mentality and was successful, but Lebron collapsed because he didn't know how to play off the ball (plus refs didn't kiss his ass like they did this year). So Wade took a back seat, for which he should get more credit.

And Bosh seemed completely injury free and actually played better than he did last year, because he was consistent on both ends of the floor. Factor in the superb games by Battier, Miller, and Chalmers, you're looking at the real reason why they won, not Lebron and his pathetic shooting.
This guy thinks they win without Lebron :yaohappy:

[Dictator]

Which first post?

And you still didn't answer my question. Why was everyone picking OKC to win it all then if Lebron had sooooo much help? I think that ''help'' was there also before the Finals wasn't it?




Props to Wade and Bosh for good play in the Finals, but it just bothers me reading all this sh!t like this was prime Wade from 2009 and Bosh in his best form completely injury free...

Because 75% of the basketball world hated Lebron then. :facepalm

Again....the first post pretty much sums it up.

[RRR3]

It was prime Wade playing the "Robin" role to Lebron. You can't have two superstars playing with their usual "score-first" mentality at the same time.

Last year Wade had that mentality and was successful, but Lebron collapsed because he didn't know how to play off the ball (plus refs didn't kiss his ass like they did this year). So Wade took a back seat, for which he should get more credit.

And Bosh seemed completely injury free and actually played better than he did last year, because he was consistent on both ends of the floor. Factor in the superb games by Battier, Miller, and Chalmers, you're looking at the real reason why they won, not Lebron and his pathetic shooting.
Miller had one great game the entire playoffs and it was in a blowout. Battier was useless until finals. Only one who can score consistently is chalmers. Battier and miller depend on lbj and wade to get them open looks. Obvious butthurt hater is obvious.

[SilkkTheShocker]

This guy thinks they win without Lebron :yaohappy:


In pegasus' defense, he is mentally retarded. Im shocked he can even use a computer. :applause:

[LBJ 23]

This guy thinks they win without Lebron :yaohappy:


This guy is not even worth responding to. On a forum calling a player he never met or had anything with him ''disgusting piece of shit'' or something along these lines, then you know how mad he is and how every post of his is the result of pure hatred and nothing rational.

[pegasus]

Miller had one great game the entire playoffs and it was in a blowout. Battier was useless until finals. Only one who can score consistently is chalmers. Battier and miller depend on lbj and wade to get them open looks. Obvious butthurt hater is obvious.

Are you discrediting the role players for not being more than "role players". You wanted them to be superstars, too?

How about you give them credit for playing exceptionally well within their roles? And the final game was a blowout because Miller kept making a 3 after 3. Otherwise the OKC was still in the game. Your boy Lebron was the only one who shot below .500.:lol

[KingBeasley08]

Are you discrediting the role players for not being more than "role players". You wanted them to be superstars, too?

How about you give them credit for playing exceptionally well within their roles? And the final game was a blowout because Miller kept making a 3 after 3. Otherwise the OKC was still in the game. Your boy Lebron was the only one who shot below .500.:lol
They shot well but whats your point. For once, the role players were hitting wide open 3s? Wanna know how they were so wide open to begin with?

[RRR3]

Are you discrediting the role players for not being more than "role players". You wanted them to be superstars, too?

How about you give them credit for playing exceptionally well within their roles? And the final game was a blowout because Miller kept making a 3 after 3. Otherwise the OKC was still in the game. Your boy Lebron was the only one who shot below .500.:lol
I gave battier tons of credit he was huge in the finals. But he was very disappointing the majority of the regular season and playoffs. How do u think miller got those threes? By creating his own shot?:roll: lebron gets him open looks but yeah miller carried lebron :facepalm I give miller lots of credit for playing thru his pain but he is not a superstar. Outside of the big 3 chalmers is the only player on heat who can create his own shot at a decent level

[Dictator]

I gave battier tons of credit he was huge in the finals. But he was very disappointing the majority of the regular season and playoffs. How do u think miller got those threes? By creating his own shot?:roll: lebron gets him open looks but yeah miller carried lebron :facepalm I give miller lots of credit for playing thru his pain but he is not a superstar. Outside of the big 3 chalmers is the only player on heat who can create his own shot at a decent level

Miller did carry the team game 5.....

[RRR3]

Miller did carry the team game 5.....
:facepalm

[Dictator]

:facepalm

:facepalm Mike Miller hit every momentum breaking 3 against the Thunder. Do we really need to pull up video?:lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

This thread is full of butt hurt people. Are you guys stil pissed Lebron won? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[RRR3]

:facepalm Mike Miller hit every momentum breaking 3 against the Thunder. Do we really need to pull up video?:lol
I suppose Steve Blake carried kobe against the nuggets right?

[Dictator]

I suppose Steve Blake carried kobe against the nuggets right?

Post Video.

[RRR3]

Post Video.
You don't remember the game he had like 5 threes? How convenient. Kobetards :facepalm So mad lebron won:roll:

[Dictator]

You don't remember the game he had like 5 threes? How convenient. Kobetards :facepalm So mad lebron won:roll:


Blake had points but post video to show how he carried the Lakers like what Miller did.

[RRR3]

Blake had points but post video to show how he carried the Lakers like what Miller did.
Typical Kobetards: "buh-buh-buh-but that's different man! Kobeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!! **** lebron he got lucky! Wahhhhhhhh! :cry: "
:facepalm

[LakersReign]

Blake had points but post video to show how he carried the Lakers like what Miller did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t54Rn1GSZ6E

Sessions hit a 3 then Blake, IIRC. But pay no attetion to the dancing a** clown known as RRR3. He does what most if not all Lebron fans do. Talks out his a**, embarrasses himself. Then resorts to "Duh huh duh huh duh huh duh huh....Kobe sucks....u mad?" to try and save face:rolleyes:.

And the post above me proves my point:applause:

[KingBeasley08]

Blake had points but post video to show how he carried the Lakers like what Miller did.
Why, you can't remember? So many fake Laker fans :facepalm including the virgin called Reigny above me

[RRR3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t54Rn1GSZ6E

Sessions hit a 3 then Blake, IIRC. But pay no attetion to the dancing a** clown known as RRR3. He does what most if not all Lebron fans do. Talks out his a**, embarrasses himself. Then resorts to "Duh huh duh huh duh huh duh huh....Kobe sucks....u mad?" to try and save face:rolleyes:.

And the post above me proves my point:applause:
When did I say Kobe sucked?:biggums: Kobe is an all time great I can at least admit that too bad you can't do the same with lebron. Pointing out inconsistencies in a Kobe fans logic is NOT hating on Kobe himself. :facepalm

[LakersReign]

Yeah cuz it's so relevant to bring Kobe into a convo about Lebron and his role players in the Finals this year....right? Typical bandwagon Lebron fan misdirection when they get heated. Boring:sleeping

[Dictator]

Why, you can't remember? So many fake Laker fans :facepalm including the virgin called Reigny above me

Can you read? Heat fans acting like Miller didn't basically destroy the thunder.


Blake had points

[RRR3]

Yeah cuz it's so relevant to bring Kobe into a convo about Lebron and his role players....right? Typical bandwagon Lebron fan misdirection when they get heated. Boring:sleeping
It is when I'm talking to Kobe fans in the first place. I was pointing out their inconsistencies. I can use another player as an example if you're gonna get so mad about Kobe.

[LakersReign]

It is when I'm talking to Kobe fans in the first place. I was pointing out their inconsistencies. I can use another player as an example if you're gonna get so mad about Kobe.

Keep telling me how mad I'm supposed to be that bandwagon lebron fans like you ALWAYS....HAVE TO....AUTOMATICALLY....MUST talk about Kobe, even when they keep claiming how so supposedly better Lebron supposedly is. Even after their boy won a title they're STILL insecure. So, please keep telling me how mad I'm supposed to be cuz of that.:sleeping

[KingBeasley08]

Keep telling me how mad I'm supposed to be that bandwagon lebron fans like you ALWAYS....HAVE TO....MUST talk about Kobe, even when they keep claiming how so supposedly better Lebron supposedly is. Even after their boy won a title they're STILL insecure. So, please keep telling me how mad I'm supposed to be cuz of that.:sleeping
Dictator is a kobe fan thats why he said it :facepalm

real question, how old are you? this gon be good

[RRR3]

Keep telling me how mad I'm supposed to be that bandwagon lebron fans like you ALWAYS....HAVE TO....MUST talk about Kobe, even when they keep claiming how so supposedly better Lebron supposedly is. Even after their boy won a title they're STILL insecure. So, please keep telling me how mad I'm supposed to be cuz of that.:sleeping
Okay you're not mad I misinterpreted your post. Sorry. And Kobe is higher than lebron all time IMO if that makes you happy. I think lebron will surpass him though

[andgar923]

I knew we'd see these claims once LeBron eventually squeezed out a ring. :oldlol: In 2011, it was "they only lost because of Wade and Bosh; not LeBron." In 2012, it's "they only won because of LeBron; not Wade and Bosh."

Let's take a look at the finals against the Thunder, shall we?

Game 1

Wade: 19 points, 4 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal
Battier: 17 points, 4 rebounds
Chalmers: 12 points, 2 rebounds, 6 assists
Haslem: 11 rebounds
Bosh: 10 points, 5 rebounds
LeBron: 4 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

Game 2

Wade: 24 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists
Bosh: 16 points, 15 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Battier: 17 points
Chalmers: 3 steals

Game 3

Wade: 25 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals
Bosh: 10 points, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks
Chalmers: 2/3/3/2/1
LeBron: 4 turnovers (2nd most of any Heat player that game)

Game 4

Wade: 25 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
Chalmers: 25 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Bosh: 13 points, 9 rebounds, 1 steal
LeBron: 3 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

Game 5

Bosh: 24 points, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Wade: 20 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks
Miller: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal
Chalmers: 10 points, 2 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals
Battier: 11 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
LeBron: 6 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

No help, right? LeBron did it on his lonesome? Wade averaging 22.6 PPG / 6 RPG / 5.2 APG, Bosh having 2 double-doubles (almost 3), one of which was 16/15, Chalmers having a 25/2/3/2 game, Miller having a 23-point game, Battier having two 17-point games... all had little influence on he outcomes of those games. Huh?

Kobe fans are an insecure bunch. Actually bitch like in their mind process.

Bron is and has been better than Kobe and will eventually surpass him in achievements, the writing is on the wall and they know it.

Deal with it c*nts.

[LakersReign]

Okay you're not mad I misinterpreted your post. Sorry. And Kobe is higher than lebron all time IMO if that makes you happy. I think lebron will surpass him though

Please, makes me happy about what? REAL NBA Laker/Kobe fans aren't insecure when it comes to Kobe. The only people who seem to think it's so supposedly "funny" to run him down are either bandwagon Lebron fans who just started watching the NBA in '03, or media morons like Jason Whitlock, who nobody takes seriously. Anybody who truly knows anything about the game, will give Kobe his credit. When it's all said and done, all this soap opera bullcrap designed to diminish his legacy and accomplishments will mean nothing.

[RRR3]

Please, makes me happy about what? REAL NBA Laker/Kobe fans aren't insecure when it comes to Kobe. The only people who seem to think it's so supposedly "funny" to run him down are either bandwagon Lebron fans who just started watching the NBA in '03, or media morons like Jason Whitlock, who nobody takes seriously. Anybody who truly knows anything about the game, will give Kobe his credit. When it's all said and done, all this soap opera bullcrap designed to diminish his legacy and accomplishments will mean nothing.
I give Kobe credit. You should do the same for lebron.

[andgar923]

Please, makes me happy about what? REAL NBA Laker/Kobe fans aren't insecure when it comes to Kobe. The only people who seem to think it's so supposedly "funny" to run him down are either bandwagon Lebron fans who just started watching the NBA in '03, or media morons like Jason Whitlock, who nobody takes seriously. Anybody who truly knows anything about the game, will give Kobe his credit. When it's all said and done, all this soap opera bullcrap designed to diminish his legacy and accomplishments will mean nothing.

Anybody who knows anything about basketball will tell you that not only is Bron better than Kobe (and has been for years), but will also surpass him not only as a player but in career achievements when he retires.

He's still young and good enough to contend for a ring for almost a decade, regardless of who his teammates are. I think he finally matured enough to understand how to play. He's already surpassed Kobe in some individual achievements and has been beating Kobe's record as the 'youngest' to reach certain milestones.

The ONLY thing that Kobe fans could brag about will be the 81 point game, but Bron's game isn't about scoring. If Bron had Kobe's selfish scoring mentality, 35+ point average seasons will be the norm for him.

Oh yeah.... just wait until Bron learns how to post up more consistently and efficiently..... Kobe fans will really be mad. Annndddd that'll be next season.

[Mr Exlax]

Every NBA star that has won a championship had help. Some had more help than others. End of discussion.

[HiphopRelated]

Which first post?

And you still didn't answer my question. Why was everyone picking OKC to win it all then if Lebron had sooooo much help? I think that ''help'' was there also before the Finals wasn't it?




Props to Wade and Bosh for good play in the Finals, but it just bothers me reading all this sh!t like this was prime Wade from 2009 and Bosh in his best form completely injury free...
1. The Heat is the team people love to hate

2. They saw Miami in 2 series battles, mostly without Bosh and saw a healthy Thunder dominate the West. They severely underestimated Bosh's impact

[DFish]

Would you rather have '12 Wade/'12 Bosh on your team, or '12 Gasol/'12 Bynum?

I'm taking Wade and Bosh... every time.

[LakersReign]

I give Kobe credit. You should do the same for lebron.

Please. Try and sell that load of hot garbage to somebody who just started posting on here, and hasn't read your posts regarding Kobe for the last 6 months.:sleeping

[RRR3]

Please. Try and sell that load of hot garbage to somebody who just started posting on here, and hasn't read your posts regarding Kobe for the last 6 months.:sleeping
Ah I see. You know more about me than I do eh?:rolleyes: let's have a link then. Show me when I didn't give Kobe credit. Btw I'm not talking about times when I'm trolling Kobe fans either.

[LakersReign]

Ah I see. You know more about me than I do eh?:rolleyes: let's have a link then. Show me when I didn't give Kobe credit. Btw I'm not talking about times when I'm trolling Kobe fans either.

You mean like you and all your boyfriends trying to sell people your delusions about me being "crazy" then haulin' a** when I ask for ANY VERIFIABLE LINKS to prove it? You've necer once backed up any of that with anything other that "duh...cuz I said so." But now you wanna try and ask for links? Yeah, you would know all about that...wouldn't you? You do realize that by ADMITTING that you were in fact trolling(big surprise) Kobe fans, you pretty much owned yourself as in fact trying to discredit Kobe....right?:hammerhead:

OOPS!!!!:facepalm

[RRR3]

You mean like you and all your boyfriends trying to sell people your delusions about me being "crazy" then haulin' a** when I ask for proof? Yeah, you would know all about that...wouldn't you? You do realize that by ADMITTING that you were in fact trolling(big surprise) you pretty much owned yourself as in fact trying to discredit Kobe....right?:hammerhead:

OOPS!!!!:facepalm
How does me calling you crazy equate to discrediting Kobe? You are not Kobe last time I checked

[LakersReign]

The truth really does hurt....doesn't it?:lol

[KingBeasley08]

The truth really does hurt....doesn't it?:lol
How old are you fakkit?

[RRR3]

The truth really does hurt....doesn't it?:lol
Man I try to be nice to you and you still attack me. What do you have agaInst lebron anyways?

[LakersReign]

Man I try to be nice to you and you still attack me. What do you have agaInst lebron anyways?

:rolleyes:

Typical bandwagon Lebron fan mentality. You MUST hate Lebron simply cuz you're not a Lebron and and have the power of choice to CHOOSE to like other players in the NBA.:facepalm

[RRR3]

:rolleyes:

Typical bandwagon Lebron fan mentality. You MUST hate Lebron simply cuz you're not a Lebron and and have the power of choice to CHOOSE to like other players in the NBA.:facepalm
No the reason I think you hate lebron is because you spend most of your time telling everyone how overrated and terrible he is. Then you say he doesn't have a good work ethic :facepalm I've never seen you give him credit. You can hate lbj all you want but you can't deny he's the best player in the world right now.

[KingBeasley08]

How old are you fakkit?
if you're just a kid, u can admit it reigny. most people on this board are under 20 (im 18 myself)

ill be shocked if ur over 26 tho and ill have to assume that you're a virgin

[Scoooter]

Bosh was great after his injury. Frankly, trading Wade for some nice pieces has been looking like a good idea for a while now.

[LakersReign]

No the reason I think you hate lebron is because you spend most of your time telling everyone how overrated and terrible he is. Then you say he doesn't have a good work ethic :facepalm I've never seen you give him credit. You can hate lbj all you want but you can't deny he's the best player in the world right now.


That's only cuz 99% of the time, you're way too busy on here trolling. Not my fault, or my problem:no:

[RRR3]

That's cuz 99% of the time you're way too busy on here trolling. No my fault, or my problem:no:
Stop denying lebron is one of the greatest players of all time I only troll u because you hate on lbj an insane amount

[PJR]

Good lord you are loser Reigny. An unquestionable virgin.

[LakersReign]

Stop denying lebron is one of the greatest players of all time I only troll u because you hate on lbj an insane amount

WOW!!!!:lol

So....it's supposedly MY fault that you spend 99% of your time on here trolling like a clown, instead of actually trying to have civilized NBa conversation? Thanks for FINALLY admitting that I have so much control over you. Why don't you blame me for the global economic crisis too, while you're at it?:roll:

[RRR3]

WOW!!!!:lol

So....it's supposedly MY fault that you spend 99% of your time on here trolling like a clown, instead of talking about the NBA? Thanks for FINALLY admitting that I have so much control over you:roll:
I didn't say it was your fault and I don't troll nearly as much as you.

[LakersReign]

The truth hurts....huh?:lol

[RRR3]

The truth hurts....huh?:lol
Obviously. The truth that lebron is a champ seems to hurt you a lot

[LakersReign]

If that's what you want to tell yourself to make yourself feel better, fine. Got nothing to do with me.:sleeping

[KG215]

Miller had one great game the entire playoffs and it was in a blowout.

The reason that game turned into a blowout is because Miller started something like 5/5 from three. Just about every three he hit until numbers 6 and 7 came at a time the game was still semi-close. It's not like he came in during the first quarter with Miami up 12-15, hit a couple of threes, came back in during the second quarter with Miami up 20+, hit a couple of more threes, and finally came in during the third with Miami up 25-30 and hit more threes. I think only one of his 7 made threes came during garbage time.

[RRR3]

If that's what you want to tell yourself to make yourself feel better, fine. Got nothing to do with me.:sleeping
Lebron is a champ. That's a fact dude

[EnoughSaid]

Do people forget that Wade had HUGE games against Indiana? And also had key games against Boston? And that one Bosh performance in Game 7 vs. the Celtics?

When Bosh went down, Wade and LeBron went on an absolute TEAR.

Some numbers for you guys:

Game 4 @ Indiana: 30 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists on 13/23 shooting
Game 5 vs. Idiana: 28 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists on 10/17 shooting
Game 6 @ Indiana: 41 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists on 17/25 shooting

Superstar numbers? YES.

[Kobr]

Would you rather have '12 Wade/'12 Bosh on your team, or '12 Gasol/'12 Bynum?

I'm taking Wade and Bosh... every time.

Do people forget that Wade had HUGE games against Indiana? And also had key games against Boston? And that one Bosh performance in Game 7 vs. the Celtics?

When Bosh went down, Wade and LeBron went on an absolute TEAR.

Some numbers for you guys:

Game 4 @ Indiana: 30 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists on 13/23 shooting
Game 5 vs. Idiana: 28 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists on 10/17 shooting
Game 6 @ Indiana: 41 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists on 17/25 shooting

Superstar numbers? YES.

This ^ ^

[LakersReign]

Anybody who knows anything about basketball will tell you that not only is Bron better than Kobe (and has been for years), but will also surpass him not only as a player but in career achievements when he retires.

He's still young and good enough to contend for a ring for almost a decade, regardless of who his teammates are. I think he finally matured enough to understand how to play. He's already surpassed Kobe in some individual achievements and has been beating Kobe's record as the 'youngest' to reach certain milestones.

The ONLY thing that Kobe fans could brag about will be the 81 point game, but Bron's game isn't about scoring. If Bron had Kobe's selfish scoring mentality, 35+ point average seasons will be the norm for him.

Oh yeah.... just wait until Bron learns how to post up more consistently and efficiently..... Kobe fans will really be mad. Annndddd that'll be next season.


Same load of bullcrap every damn year. Yeah he spent last summer working on this supposedly "deadly" post game with Hakeem. That was supposed to be unveiled this year, and what happened? Oh yeah, that's right, he's going to unveil it next year. Since you're the same idiot who has this fascination with calling ALL Laker fans Hispanic racial slurs, let me break it down for you: Nobody's scared of Lebron's IMAGINARY titles and achievements that his fans give him, just to keep propping him up:sleeping

[amfirst]

Heck he might not have won without Battier. That dude was key for them.

[amfirst]

LeBron needs a superteam to win. I want to see him do it on a 2 superstar team and scrubs like Kobe.

[madmax]

Same load of bullcrap every damn year. Yeah he spent last summer working on this supposedly "deadly" post game with Hakeem. That was supposed to be unveiled this year, and what happened? Oh yeah, that's right, he's going to unveil it next year. Since you're the same idiot who has this fascination with calling ALL Laker fans Hispanic racial slurs, let me break it down for you: Nobody's scared of Lebron's IMAGINARY titles and achievements that his fans give him, just to keep propping him up:sleeping

:biggums:
I think someone is trully losing it in here...Earth is calling, is everyone home anyway?

[Mr. Jabbar]

OP forgot Stern.

[KingBeasley08]

:biggums:
I think someone is trully losing it in here...Earth is calling, is everyone home anyway?
I think he's actually delusional now :roll: :roll:

[LBJFTW]

Lebron traveled.

[TerranOP]

I think he's actually delusional now :roll: :roll:

rofl lakersreign is so damn mad that lebron won :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TerranOP]

From the OP: In 2011, it was "they only lost because of Wade and Bosh; not LeBron."

LOL almost NO ONE said that. The vast majority of people blamed Lebron for the loss. Lebron gets the flak when they lose and the glory when they win. Why are you angry about that?

[pegasus]

From the OP: In 2011, it was "they only lost because of Wade and Bosh; not LeBron."

LOL almost NO ONE said that. The vast majority of people blamed Lebron for the loss. Lebron gets the flak when they lose and the glory when they win. Why are you angry about that?

They lost last year only because of Lebron. Had he played like a decent third option, they would have won. Period.

They won this year because they were, finally, able to play like a team, and the refs helped them out in games 2-4. Lebron was a big part of the former, but not the only reason.

[ihoopallday]

Smartest decision I made on this forum. Stopped arguing with LakersReign :banana:

[ripthekik]

LeBron needs a superteam to win. I want to see him do it on a 2 superstar team and scrubs like Kobe.
This is the truth. Lebron has proven nothing except this statement above.

[KingBeasley08]

This is the truth. Lebron has proven nothing except this statement above.
he's proven he's a champion. u mad? :banana:

[ripthekik]

he's proven he's a champion. u mad? :banana:
Proven He's the champion with 2 other all stars in their prime. Good job Lebron!

[KingBeasley08]

Proven He's the champion with 2 other all stars in their prime. Good job Lebron!
thats all we need to know :cheers:

[ripthekik]

Proven He's the champion with 2 other all stars in their prime. Good job Lebron!
That's the real part we all need to know :cheers:

[KingBeasley08]

That's the real part we all need to know :cheers:
honestly bro, I respect your opinion but ill just say for a last time that I disagree. at the end of the day, a finals mvp is a finals mvp

[Odinn]

I guess Kobetards assume every fans are like them.:roll:

Pathetic.:facepalm

[AK47DR91]

It's hyperbole, but posters like pauk, you, Lebron23, kuniva have been minimizing the influence of LeBron's teammates to an extreme level.

This thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268863) is just one example.
Pauk only cares about stats. LeBron23 only cares about LeBron.

Nobody should care about what they say.

[ripthekik]

honestly bro, I respect your opinion but ill just say for a last time that I disagree. at the end of the day, a finals mvp is a finals mvp
Finals MVP could just mean he played the best out of the 3 stars :confusedshrug:
Of course i'll admit he played great and like a champion, except the fact that those 2 stars in their primes bailed him out in a lot of important moments.

we all agree he is a champion.
we all agree on Wade and Bosh's contributions, they were essential
We all agree Wade and Bosh top 2 SG and top 5 PF.
=
we all agree Lebron is a chamion with the help of top 2 SG and top 5 PF
:cheers: cheers

[Bigsmoke]

i guess all of Magic Johnson's rings are all worthless since he can't win one without the best center in NBA history...

Lakers fans =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjIfrQqABl0

[Bigsmoke]

Still butthurt your boy couldn't do it unless he teamed up with 2 stars in their primes :oldlol:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/BigSmokes/LeBronTrophy.gif
:lebronamazed:

[Sarcastic]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/BigSmokes/LeBronTrophy.gif
:lebronamazed:

1 down, 7 to go.

[Kobr]

1 down, 7 to go.

:lol

[ripthekik]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/BigSmokes/LeBronTrophy.gif
:lebronamazed:
bron bron, it'll feel more amazing when you actually win one without 2 stars in their primes helping you.

[Bernie Nips]

i guess all of Magic Johnson's rings are all worthless since he can't win one without the best center in NBA history...

Lakers fans =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjIfrQqABl0

Haha pretty much this.

Magic Johnson won all his rings with the best center in the league and a top 5 small forward.

So all of his rings should have asterisks if LeBron's is gonna.

[Nash]

Wade or Bosh, I think they did him a favor because of the fact that he just absolutely dominated even though he had Wade and Bosh on his team. Dude was the leader in scoring, assists, rebounds even though he had superstars Wade and Bosh on that team. That just makes his accomplishment even more impressing.

Thats just crazy, brethren.

[DFish]

Wade or Bosh, I think they did him a favor because of the fact that he just absolutely dominated even though he had Wade and Bosh on his team. Dude was the leader in scoring, assists, rebounds even though he had superstars Wade and Bosh on that team. That just makes his accomplishment even more impressing.

Thats just crazy, brethren.

He wouldn't have won this title without Wade. He wouldn't have even reached these finals without Wade. That's fact. Not even a knock on LeBron. But his teammates weren't irrelevant this year.

[Nash]

He wouldn't have won this title without Wade. He wouldn't have even reached these finals without Wade. That's fact. Not even a knock on LeBron. But his teammates weren't irrelevant this year.
I'm not saying they were irrelevant. Just answering to some people who seriously try to discredit Lebron's championship.

[Lebron23]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/BigSmokes/LeBronTrophy.gif
:lebronamazed:


We are not worthy.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Bigsmoke]

He wouldn't have won this title without Wade. He wouldn't have even reached these finals without Wade. That's fact. Not even a knock on LeBron. But his teammates weren't irrelevant this year.

and Wade wouldnt reach the Finals without LeBron :confusedshrug:

where are u going with this? really?

LeBron had guys that can make a positive impact towards the game... good for him.

when was the last time a team win a title with one man showing up and everybody else playing like shit?

[WadeBronDonJuan]

Haters right on cue.

Of course he had help in that series. Why dont you post Wades numbers against the Pacers and Celtics though?

How about the game 6 against the Celts?

Lebron was nothing short of spectacular on this run to the championship. You haters are one track minded, but will never see it.

Truly some of the worst fans in sports today. Can never give credit where credit is due.

[ripthekik]

Haters right on cue.

Of course he had help in that series. Why dont you post Wades numbers against the Pacers and Celtics though?

How about the game 6 against the Celts?

Lebron was nothing short of spectacular on this run to the championship. You haters are one track minded, but will never see it.

Truly some of the worst fans in sports today. Can never give credit where credit is due.
:facepalm
Wade was amazing in the pacers series, he was prime wade.
Celtics? they doubled teamed him and focused their D on him, that's how Lebron got his.

[nashwade]

wade was hurting the whole time, and he needs surgery off season

but still, of cos he had help. all of Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, MJ, Magic had help

Definition of no help = Nash bringing the 2012 Suns team to a ring

[ripthekik]

Most legends have help from one other all star, and the rest good role players.

This dude had help from 2 stars in their prime, who were able to lead their own perspective teams for what, 8 years?

[nashwade]

Most legends have help from one other all star, and the rest good role players.

This dude had help from 2 stars in their prime, who were able to lead their own perspective teams for what, 8 years?

well, bosh led the raptors to... nowhere

remove amare and melo, J.Lin can lead the NYK. Hell, Deron Williams was leading the Nets

[Bernie Nips]

Most legends have help from one other all star, and the rest good role players.

This dude had help from 2 stars in their prime, who were able to lead their own perspective teams for what, 8 years?

How do you feel about spending so much of your LIFE dedicated to talking about something you don't even like? Do you ever sit back and go:

"I'm gonna be an old, old man one day, and I'll be able to say that when I was young, I... sat on an internet forum trying to discredit a basketball player. Those were the days man."

[ripthekik]

well, bosh led the raptors to... nowhere

remove amare and melo, J.Lin can lead the NYK. Hell, Deron Williams was leading the Nets
Bosh was an allstar and put up great stats all those years. He was the guy you focused your D on when you played them.

Lin cannot lead knicks for an entire season. and if he can, then he can be a star as well.

Deron, of course, he's an established star in this league, I have no idea why you're bringing him up in this conversation. :facepalm
You think he's a scrub?

[ihoopallday]

How do you feel about spending so much of your LIFE dedicated to talking about something you don't even like? Do you ever sit back and go:

"I'm gonna be an old, old man one day, and I'll be able to say that when I was young, I... sat on an internet forum trying to discredit a basketball player. Those were the days man."

This. :applause:. I'm more curious about why he came out of nowhere right when OKC lost. Before that, I hadn't seen him post.

[ripthekik]

How do you feel about spending so much of your LIFE dedicated to talking about something you don't even like? Do you ever sit back and go:

"I'm gonna be an old, old man one day, and I'll be able to say that when I was young, I... sat on an internet forum trying to discredit a basketball player. Those were the days man."


This. :applause:. I'm more curious about why he came out of nowhere right when OKC lost. Before that, I hadn't seen him post.
Thanks for caring so much about me, I'm very touched, my friends :cheers:
Will send you guys postcards when I get old

[Bigsmoke]

Most legends have help from one other all star, and the rest good role players.

This dude had help from 2 stars in their prime, who were able to lead their own perspective teams for what, 8 years?

Bosh isn't a star.

shut up with that BS.

[ripthekik]

Bosh isn't a star.

shut up with that BS.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
You guys are making it too easy. This one enters my other thread easily.

[QUOTE]
NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Month: January 2007
NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week: January 3, 2005; January 30, 2006; March 26, 2007; January 7, 2008; October 28, 2008; February 1, 2010; April 5, 2010
NBA Atlantic Division Champion: 2006

[KingBeasley08]

This. :applause:. I'm more curious about why he came out of nowhere right when OKC lost. Before that, I hadn't seen him post.
This. He just popped outta nowhere. And he's takin about Lebron more than pauk :lol

[Bigsmoke]

[QUOTE=ripthekik]:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
You guys are making it too easy. This one enters my other thread easily.


NBA champion (2012)
7

[All Net]

Barkley, Duncan, and Chris Webber were stars.

Bosh is an All Star.

He led the Raptors to what... the lottery for 5 year and then out the first round twice.

HOW AMAZING!

They were superstars, there is a difference.

[Bigsmoke]

They were superstars, there is a difference.

can u banned this ripthekik guy already?

[ripthekik]

Barkley, Duncan, and Chris Webber were stars.

Bosh is an All Star.

He led the Raptors to what... the lottery for 5 year and then out the first round twice.

HOW AMAZING!


.....
i'm not responding to any of your replies anymore.
He was one of the top, probably top 5 PF in this league, and in his prime. You can't get better than that. How many guys avg 20ppg and 10rpg in this league? What are you trying to say, he's a role player? Toronto would use a role player for years to lead their team?

I'm the one that needs to stop replying to you :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Bosh is getting criminally underrated in this thread.

[red1]

this is for you ripthekik, from that other thread that just got deleted

Enlighten me? :confusedshrug:
According to you, kobe's championships mean more. The fact that you think kobe has accomplished something lebron hasn't just shows your perspective.

When kobe won his championships, he had the best frontcourt in the league. Yes, he was still the main reason for the championships but you can't overlook the fact that he had a team that was arguably as talented as this heat team, and inarguably had better chemistry and coaching.

2009 lakers:
gasol
odom
lebron
ariza
fisher

Do you really have any doubt that this team would shit on the league? If lebron had this laker team in his prime, he would've been in a similar position to replicate kobe's success. However, the reality was that he was on a team that had little room for improvement despite consecutive years where they failed to reach the finals.

Lebron took a paycut and decided to play somewhere where he could realistically lead a team to title. In a sense, I am happy that lebron won this year and not last year because it is clear that this year's championship is primarily due to what lebron brought to this heat team.

This year, lebron did carry his team, and was best player in the league. Yes he had talented teammates, but that applies for EVERY championship team in nba history. Your excuse of playing with a top 3 player and a top 5 pf doesn't fly, as lebron has outshined every other player in the league, including his teammates during a year where they both struggled. Even your boy dwade has repeatedly acknowledged that this heat team goes as far as lebron carries them, and that lebron is the best player in the league and on the team. We saw this firsthand over the course of the playoffs.

And let's not overlook the flaws of this heat roster. By signing with two other max players, this team was stuck without a centre rotation, a weak pg rotation (chalmers and cole both stepped up) and a weak bench (though they did step up). This team is very beatable, let's not act as though lebron stacked all of the chips in his favour.

The mavs last year showed us just how beatable they are, and the heat were underdogs coming into this year's thunder series. For the heat to win, Lebron is forced to carry the load in scoring, distributing, defending, and has to do all of this while taking minimal time off the court.

All of this whining about joining the best team etc is water under the bridge, salty complaining from the perspective of a fanboy, someone who is annoyed that lebron is getting his share of the glory. Why don't you go ahead and try to discredit every other NBA champion, as the same arguments that you are using for lebron apply there as well?

[nashwade]

The point is that gortat can lead the suns and give you 20 10 a season but that dont mean nothing if the team goes nowhere

[NumberSix]

Thanks for caring so much about me, I'm very touched, my friends :cheers:
Will send you guys postcards when I get old
Bladers

[ripthekik]

The point is that gortat can lead the suns and give you 20 10 a season but that dont mean nothing if the team goes nowhere
If gortat can lead his team avging 20 points and 10 rebounds for 7 seasons straight, then he can call himself a star.

[Kobr]

http://i46.tinypic.com/112di4j.gif
:lebronamazed:

bron bron, it'll feel more amazing when you actually win one without 2 stars in their primes helping you.

True story.

[Kobr]

Bosh is getting criminally underrated in this thread.

Completely. LeBron stans will throw any other player under the bus if it bolsters their queen, Heat teammates included.

[Duncan21formvp]

I knew we'd see these claims once LeBron eventually squeezed out a ring. :oldlol: In 2011, it was "they only lost because of Wade and Bosh; not LeBron." In 2012, it's "they only won because of LeBron; not Wade and Bosh."

Let's take a look at the finals against the Thunder, shall we?

Game 1

Wade: 19 points, 4 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal
Battier: 17 points, 4 rebounds
Chalmers: 12 points, 2 rebounds, 6 assists
Haslem: 11 rebounds
Bosh: 10 points, 5 rebounds
LeBron: 4 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

Game 2

Wade: 24 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists
Bosh: 16 points, 15 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Battier: 17 points
Chalmers: 3 steals

Game 3

Wade: 25 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals
Bosh: 10 points, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks
Chalmers: 2/3/3/2/1
LeBron: 4 turnovers (2nd most of any Heat player that game)

Game 4

Wade: 25 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
Chalmers: 25 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Bosh: 13 points, 9 rebounds, 1 steal
LeBron: 3 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

Game 5

Bosh: 24 points, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Wade: 20 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks
Miller: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal
Chalmers: 10 points, 2 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals
Battier: 11 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
LeBron: 6 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

No help, right? LeBron did it on his lonesome? Wade averaging 22.6 PPG / 6 RPG / 5.2 APG, Bosh having 2 double-doubles (almost 3), one of which was 16/15, Chalmers having a 25/2/3/2 game, Miller having a 23-point game, Battier having two 17-point games... all had little influence on he outcomes of those games. Huh?

Good stuff. It is mainly the Lebron hype. No matter what he needed a proven winner on his team who got it done as the man in order to win.

[ripthekik]

Bosh is getting criminally underrated in this thread.
Heat fans have gone to say he's not even a star, just a role player :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

Heat fans have gone to say he's not even a star, just a role player :oldlol:

Yeah when he was signed with Wade and Lebron has was an all star. Then when people started saying he wasn't, then they said he was a star. Now cuz people are saying Lebron was carried by him and Wade, he's NOW a role player. Keeping in mind, these are the same people who were saying that Boston wouldn't have had a chance against them had he not been injured.:roll:

[LelBron]

http://i.imgur.com/ozyo0.png

[HiphopRelated]

Heat fans have gone to say he's not even a star, just a role player :oldlol:

Lebron fans, there's a difference

[Kobr]

Yeah when he was signed with Wade and Lebron has was an all star. Then when people started saying he wasn't, then they said he was a star. Now cuz people are saying Lebron was carried by him and Wade, he's NOW a role player. Keeping in mind, these are the same people who were saying that Boston wouldn't have had a chance against them had he not been injured.:roll:

LeBron stans flip-flop like crazy.

[RRR3]

LeBron stans flip-flop like crazy.
So now you agree with reigny? funny, I remember you and johnnywall telling him he was an idiot.

[LakersReign]

LeBron stans flip-flop like crazy.

Yeah, like when the Heat were winning, they were supposedly a championship team. But the minute they started losing, all of a sudden, it was ONLY Lebron and some role players. Which somehow included Wade and Bosh.:roll:

[Simple Jack]

Yeah, like when the Heat were winning, they were supposedly a championship team. But the minute they started losing, all of a sudden, it was ONLY Lebron and some role players. Which somehow included Wade and Bosh.:roll:

Or like all year and especially in the first round when you called every person confident in the Heat's chances of winning a ring, idiots.

It's not as if LeBron had no help; just not the type of help you'd expect (consistency wise) from someone of Wade's caliber. Bosh wasn't extraordinary either.

If someone were to suggest that Wade and Bosh would miss games/play the way they did for the duration of the playoffs; I doubt a single person would still have Miami coming out on top and winning the ring.

[Simple Jack]

http://i.imgur.com/ozyo0.png

Most underrated poster on this site.

:applause:

[RaininTwos]

I knew we'd see these claims once LeBron eventually squeezed out a ring. In 2011, it was "they only lost because of Wade and Bosh; not LeBron." In 2012, it's "they only won because of LeBron; not Wade and Bosh."

Let's take a look at the finals against the Thunder, shall we?

Game 1

Wade: 19 points, 4 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal
Battier: 17 points, 4 rebounds
Chalmers: 12 points, 2 rebounds, 6 assists
Haslem: 11 rebounds
Bosh: 10 points, 5 rebounds
LeBron: 4 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

Game 2

Wade: 24 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists
Bosh: 16 points, 15 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Battier: 17 points
Chalmers: 3 steals

Game 3

Wade: 25 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals
Bosh: 10 points, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks
Chalmers: 2/3/3/2/1
LeBron: 4 turnovers (2nd most of any Heat player that game)

Game 4

Wade: 25 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
Chalmers: 25 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Bosh: 13 points, 9 rebounds, 1 steal
LeBron: 3 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

Game 5

Bosh: 24 points, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Wade: 20 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks
Miller: 23 points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal
Chalmers: 10 points, 2 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals
Battier: 11 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal
LeBron: 6 turnovers (most of any Heat player that game)

No help, right? LeBron did it on his lonesome? Wade averaging 22.6 PPG / 6 RPG / 5.2 APG, Bosh having 2 double-doubles (almost 3), one of which was 16/15, Chalmers having a 25/2/3/2 game, Miller having a 23-point game, Battier having two 17-point games... all had little influence on he outcomes of those games. Huh?

Now please do a game by game analysis of the first three rounds so that you can see how big of a dumbass you are.

[eliteballer]

Lebron won a title........and all he needed were 2 superstars and a lockout shortened season.

[LakersReign]

So now you agree with reigny? funny, I remember you and johnnywall telling him he was an idiot.

As opposed to what? Agreeing with a clown like you who comes on an NBA forum and spends 99% of the time, OBSESSING over another guy, instead of talking about the NBA. Then tries to convince REASONABLE people, that's SOMEHOW supposed to be normal behavior?:facepalm

You're just mad cuz you've spent the last 6 months, DESPERATELY trying(and OBVIOUSLY failing miserably, I might add) to sell your equally pathetic "crazy" gimmick. And in all that time, only 2 or 3 people dumber than you, are ret**ded enough to believe you. This is exactly how dumb you look. Even though you're way too pathetic to admit it:

http://www.gifnation.com/funny/image/595/afrojedi.gif

Stay mad dumba**:roll: