Think about this for a moment:

[Mr. Jabbar]

- Kobe wanted PRIME FRIKEN SHAQ ass to be shipped out of LA so he could prove he could win it all w/o him and get all the spotlight.

- Lebron backstabbed a city and the people who truly loved him to join forces with 2 other superstars in order to shortcut his way into a ring.


These are players who do not belong in the same sentence when we talk about competitive nature.

[Horatio33]

Kobe wanted Shaq out because he had a large ego. LeBron left Cleveland on national because he has a large ego.

Also how did KOBE'S teams do with out an all star big man?

[ukballer]

Why so threatened? :confusedshrug:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe wanted Shaq out because he had a large ego. LeBron left Cleveland on national because he has a large ego.

Also how did KOBE'S teams do with out an all star big man?

Lebron didn't leave because of his large ego, he left because he wanted a ring at any cost.

[ukballer]

Lebron didn't leave because of his large ego, he left because he wanted a ring at any cost.

I fail to see anything bad.

[LBJDW305]

Kobe was out of the playoffs in the second round. Lebron won it all :lebronamazed:

[Mr. Jabbar]

I fail to see anything bad.


its not bad or good per se, just an opinion on how the two players approach the game differently, and what do they value most

[ripthekik]

This is why Lebron's career will never match up with Kobe's.
Yeah, when shaq left, it didn't go so well. But Kobe toughed it out. Look at what happened a few years later.

Lebron? Still has yet to proved himself. He doesn't have the competitive nature of the champions who wanted to beat the best players available; instead he tries making a team with them. :facepalm

[OmniStrife]

How does one back-stab a city?

[talkingconch]

Kobe was out of the playoffs in the second round. Lebron won it all :lebronamazed:
Yeah thanks for agreeing with OP

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[Mr. Jabbar]

How does one back-stab a city?

You don't tell your team you are leaving until you are gone, instead you have a 1hr national tv special on ESPN, leaving the team that saw you grow up in rebuilding mode for the next decade.

[SIRI1]

Kobe had Shaq and won 3 championships with him. Give Lebron a prime Shaq and lets see if he would have left Cleveland.

Kobe even wanted out of LA until the Gasol trade took place.

[PJR]

One player landed in Orange County. The other player landed in Cleveland.

Kobrick would've demanded a trade from Cleveland after his rookie year. Like the little bitch that he is. :oldlol:

[Horatio33]

Kobe had Shaq and won 3 championships with him. Give Lebron a prime Shaq and lets see if he would have left Cleveland.

Kobe even wanted out of LA until the Gasol trade took place.

This. Especially that last sentence.

Also the Bulls wouldn't include Luol Deng in a trade for Kobe. Kobe is so great the Bulls wouldn't include an above average small forward in the trade.

[G-train]

You don't tell your team you are leaving until you are gone, instead you have a 1hr national tv special on ESPN, leaving the team that saw you grow up in rebuilding mode for the next decade.

When else would you tell them? When you havent gone?
he told them before the decision.
And wasnt the decision Jim grays idea, and raised millions for charity?

[PJR]

This is why Lebron's career will never match up with Kobe's.
Yeah, when shaq left, it didn't go so well. But Kobe toughed it out. Look at what happened a few years later.

Lebron? Still has yet to proved himself. He doesn't have the competitive nature of the champions who wanted to beat the best players available; instead he tries making a team with them. :facepalm



Toughed it out? Stop lying fakkit. He demanded a trade TWO years after Shaq was traded. :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

When else would you tell them? When you havent gone?
he told them before the decision.
And wasnt the decision Jim grays idea, and raised millions for charity?
No he never told them. He didn't allow Cleveland to trade him and get something in return because they thought he was going to resign.

[LakersReign]

Kobe had Shaq and won 3 championships with him. Give Lebron a prime Shaq and lets see if he would have left Cleveland.

Kobe even wanted out of LA until the Gasol trade took place.

Right, when Lebron is 10 times more ball dominant than Kobe? Please.:rolleyes:

[PickernRoller]

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OP you can do better than this POS thread.

[SIRI1]

Right, when Lebron is 10 times more ball dominant than Kobe? Please.:rolleyes:
I meant Let's see if Lebron would have left Cleveland, not Shaq.

[StateOfMind12]

The difference I see here is that LeBron doesn't snitch and run teammates out of town like Kobe does.



Kobe even wanted out of LA until the Gasol trade took place.
This, hilarious how people act as if Kobe is some loyal and patient guy when he was begging to get traded before the Gasol trade was made which made his team the most stacked.

[Ketchup]

Agreed. They are no where close in terms of competitiveness.

Lebron wanted to go to a good team to compete year after year for a ring, where as Kobe wanted to have a team for himself to compile stats.

You're 100% right. Lebron is far more competitive.

[LakersReign]

I meant Let's see if Lebron would have left Cleveland, not Shaq.

I never saod anything about anybody leaving anywhere. Lebron is ball dominant, meaning he NEEDS the ball. How the hell is Prime Shaq, the Dominator, suppose to dominate when Lebron HAS TO have the ball? It would never work. Simple as that.

[Bigsmoke]

How about this

Lebron is getting paid less to win when Kobe is getting paid like 25 milion a year so the Lakers can't bring in any talent.

[ripthekik]

Toughed it out? Stop lying fakkit. He demanded a trade TWO years after Shaq was traded. :oldlol:
And what's wrong with that? better than calling the top 5 player and top pf to go play on a team together. Asking for a trade means lakers get back pieces. I don't have any bias towards having to be loyal in this game.


Agreed. They are no where close in terms of competitiveness.

Lebron wanted to go to a good team to compete year after year for a ring, where as Kobe wanted to have a team for himself to compile stats.

You're 100% right. Lebron is far more competitive.
Lebron didn't want to compete. He wanted the best team so no one else could compete with him. 2 of the best 5 players in the league.

You really think all kobe want was stats? he wanted to win, but as the man of his own team.

Very different characters.

[RazorBaLade]

Toughed it out? Stop lying fakkit. He demanded a trade TWO years after Shaq was traded. :oldlol:

he asked for but 1 all star alongside him tho. but 1.

[G-train]

No he never told them. He didn't allow Cleveland to trade him and get something in return because they thought he was going to resign.

He did tell them, when he decided he was going.
If you would rather believe the conspiracies (olympics meeting, etc) over what he said, thats up to you.

Which brings me to another point, a player that wishes to leave in FA doesnt have to tell his team so they get something in return. This has never been the case for decades. This was a new thing created by Lebron haters to hate on him even more.

Which leads to another point, he was traded. He was trade to Miami for 4 draft picks, $16m trade exception, and other benefits.

Also the decision raised $2m+ for charity, which was its main point.

[Horatio33]

he asked for but 1 all star alongside him tho. but 1.

It's funny how Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with playing with Kobe. Why is that?

[RazorBaLade]

It's funny how Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with playing with Kobe. Why is that?

Neither of us know him well enough to accurately say why he doesn't, but we know theres probably only 2 options

He doesn't want to play for the best franchise in the NBA with one of the greatest players ever who's won 5 rings and has won with a player like Pau and Howard is clearly better than Pau ever was.. And they'd have both. But he might not get to take more than 16 or so shots a game and that sucks.

The guy who's known as superman doesn't want to follow in original superman shaqs footsteps and never make his own legacy and always be the guy who wanted to be like shaq.. He has a decent chance at winning in NJ with Deron if it goes through but he also shakes the shaq biting accusations

I think Option 2 is more likely.

[YAWN]

It's funny how Dwight Howard wants nothing to do with playing with Kobe. Why is that?

Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Mikan & 16 titles. He can't handle that pressure.

[LakersReign]

Which brings me to another point, a player that wishes to leave in FA doesnt have to tell his team so they get something in return. This has never been the case for decades. This was a new thing created by Lebron haters to hate on him even more.

Please. So...according to you, players who's contracts are up can just supposedly dip out without saying a word to anybody on their current team. Then sign with any team they chose....right? Uh huh. This is a new thing Lebron fans created to give Lebron yet another excuse for the pathetic way he left Celveland. Holla when you can actually provide a link to back that one up:sleeping

[PJR]

Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Mikan & 16 titles. He can't handle that pressure.

Or he doesn't want to play with a 34 year old inefficient shot jacker.

[PJR]

LeBron spent 7 years in Cleveland. That's likely going to be nearly half his career.

And he never demanded a trade or threw a teammate under the bus. Despite horrid after horrid front office mishaps.


Kobrick isn't and never has been in LeBron's league.

[madmax]

Or he doesn't want to play with a 34 year old inefficient shot jacker.

:applause: :cheers:

[YAWN]

Or he doesn't want to play with a 34 year old inefficient shot jacker.

Think about what you said for a moment. Kobe won't be a #1 option for 2 more years, he might even be out of the league in 3. Dwight could lead the greatest franchise in the league... But he won't cause he doesn't handle pressure well. He's just not that kind of guy.

The "inefficient shot jacker" is still currently a top 5 player in the league who has been to 7 NBA finals. 7.

If Dwight wasn't such a *****, Lakers would be favored in the West.

[kidachi]

Lebron didn't want to compete. He wanted the best team so no one else could compete with him. 2 of the best 5 players in the league.

You really think all kobe want was stats? he wanted to win, but as the man of his own team.

Very different characters.


:oldlol::applause: How do you exactly know their sentiments?

[ripthekik]

:oldlol::applause: How do you exactly know their sentiments?
Based on facts.

Lebron lost for many years, then left to find another top5 player to team up with, along with another all star PF. This guy is afraid of competition. He has no balls to lead his own them the way Dirk, Wade did this decade.

Kobe? He stayed and only wanted to be the man. He was sick of hearing people say he could only win with Shaq. He wanted to win as the man. And he did it.

Lebron doesn't have the competitive heart to want to win as the man. He'll only choke again in the final stages if he doesn't have wade and bosh to hold his hands.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

:oldlol: It's laughable how insecure Kobe fans are.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Hahah

OP mad as **** :roll:

[PJR]

Based on facts.

Lebron lost for many years, then left to find another top5 player to team up with, along with another all star PF. This guy is afraid of competition. He has no balls to lead his own them the way Dirk, Wade did this decade.

Kobe? He stayed and only wanted to be the man. He was sick of hearing people say he could only win with Shaq. He wanted to win as the man. And he did it.

Lebron doesn't have the competitive heart to want to win as the man. He'll only choke again in the final stages if he doesn't have wade and bosh to hold his hands.

Lol you're a clown. Typical Kobrick Stan.

[PJR]

:oldlol: It's laughable how insecure Kobe fans are.

Truth

[SIRI1]

I never saod anything about anybody leaving anywhere. Lebron is ball dominant, meaning he NEEDS the ball. How the hell is Prime Shaq, the Dominator, suppose to dominate when Lebron HAS TO have the ball? It would never work. Simple as that.
I cant believe you really think that a player of Lebron's caliber, one with his high of a basketball IQ, could not make it work with a low post scorer like Shaq. Hell, Wade was right there with Lebron in terms of usage rate when he played with Shaq and they won a ring.

[ripthekik]

Lol you're a clown. Typical Kobrick Stan.
Typical Lebron fantard, who goes for the insult :oldlol:
Do lebron fans ever come up with any argument or constructive comment? Their only moves seem to be: attack the poster.. :applause:

Not surprised, anyone who idolizes lebron probably has an IQ in the negatives :roll:

[coin24]

Just to be clear... 5>1:oldlol:

[PJR]

Typical Lebron fantard, who goes for the insult :oldlol:
Do lebron fans ever come up with any argument or constructive comment? Their only moves seem to be: attack the poster.. :applause:

Not surprised, anyone who idolizes lebron probably has an IQ in the negatives :roll:

There's no point of even engaging in any rational debate with any Kobrick Stan like you.

Especially when your arguments have no ground to stand on in the first place. Acting like Kobrick is this honorable player. Ya snitching on teammates, and demanding a trade after TWO years of rebuilding is real honorable :oldlol:


Kobrick would've demanded a trade from Cleveland after his rookie year. :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

I cant believe you really think that a player of Lebron's caliber, one with his high of a basketball IQ, could not make it work with a low post scorer like Shaq. Hell, Wade was right there with Lebron in terms of usage rate when he played with Shaq and they won a ring.

You first said PRIME Shaq, now you flip flopping which means you have no real point here. According to Lebron fans, Shaq was supposedly "past his prime" in both Miami and Cleveland. So, why bother bringing that up? Y'all LOVE to play this ret**ded game of "take Kobe off the Lakers and slap ANYBODY on there with Shaq and they'll STILL win." But have no real idea of how that would supposedly work. The offense would have to run through Shaq, for him to be effective. So again I ask you, how exactly is that suppose to work when Lebron NEEDS the ball? There's a reason why Shaq only started winning titles with Kobe.

[PJR]

Just to be clear... 5>1:oldlol:

I suppose you believe Derek fisher is better than Chris Paul ?

[kidachi]

Based on facts.

Lebron lost for many years, then left to find another top5 player to team up with, along with another all star PF. This guy is afraid of competition. He has no balls to lead his own them the way Dirk, Wade did this decade.

Kobe? He stayed and only wanted to be the man. He was sick of hearing people say he could only win with Shaq. He wanted to win as the man. And he did it.

Lebron doesn't have the competitive heart to want to win as the man. He'll only choke again in the final stages if he doesn't have wade and bosh to hold his hands.

I'm impressed how you accurately captured their feelings.. you should write books about them.. you really know their personality.. you must talk to them everyday.. :applause:

[NumberSix]

- Kobe wanted PRIME FRIKEN SHAQ ass to be shipped out of LA so he could prove he could win it all w/o him and get all the spotlight.
You somehow manage to think that is a good thing? :facepalm

[PJR]

You somehow manage to think that is a good thing? :facepalm

That's how stupid Kobrick stans are. :oldlol:

[pauk]

- Kobe wanted PRIME FRIKEN SHAQ ass to be shipped out of LA because Shaq was much better and Kobe was being in his shadow 24-7.... and wanted to take that next step from being a sidekick... to being the leader/the man of his team..... also because Kobe was in immature raping selfish ballhoging shotjacking primadonna......... so he could elevate his PPG and try win it all w/o him and he couldnt... so he whined, complained, threatened to leave... made Los Angeles his bitches and eventually he could win a championship as THE MAN for the first time ever, at 30 years old, by simply getting a Shaq replacement with Gasol/Bynum/Odom/Ariza.

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- Lebron never complained, went thru hell for 7 years trying to win it completely alone, trying to win it as "alone" as no superstar has ever won it in NBA history... then he saw the amount of stacked opposing teams around him teaming up (Celtics, Knicks, Lakers, Bulls, Clippers, Miami) and knew that if he stayed with Cavs he will never get a ring since they never made moves to at least give him something better than Mo Williams, he had to fight fire with fire... so now was the time as good as ever because he became a free-agent and had the once in a life time oppurtunity to try out for only ONCE IN HIS LIFE something Kobe had his entire life... a TEAM... and look what happened...

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[SIRI1]

You first said PRIME Shaq, now you flip flopping which means you have no real point here. According to Lebron fans, Shaq was supposedly "past his prime" in both Miami and Cleveland. So, why bother bringing that up?
I never said that so this point is moot. To me, Shaq started turning for the worse after the championship year in Miami. I brought up Shaq because the OP brought up Shaq. If Lebron had Shaq to begin his career, Lebron would probably not have left Cleveland. If Lebron leaving Cleveland was all about him wanting to play with better talent and win a championship, as the OP suggested, then he likely wouldnt have left the Cavs if he had Shaq for all those years.

The offense would have to run through Shaq, for him to be effective. So again I ask you, how exactly is that suppose to work when Lebron NEEDS the ball?
Same way it worked with Wade and Shaq. That's the only basis we have where a ball dominant player like Wade, as Lebron is, made it work with Shaq. I think Lebron could have made it work like Wade and Shaq did, you dont. No reason to keep this going in circles.

[pauk]

...and Jabbar, staying with one team your entire life is not ANY accomplishment. Let's just use Kobe for an example. What could possibly be the circumstances that would cause Kobe to want to leave the Lakers? He is drafted/traded to one of the most storied franchises that has the 2nd best player in the game in Shaq at the time (who in similar fashion as Lebron switched teams), who became the leagues best player and most dominant force maybe of all time, also the league's MVP and so on eventually. Then despite winning 3 titles (as a benchwarmer, then sidekick) and throwing Shaq away, somehow the organization is still able to continuously add hall of famers to the roster over the next couple of years while still keeping the greatest coach that ever lived. To top it off, he has one of the most versatile players in NBA history coming of the bench and had the possibility of going 6 of 25 in Game 7's in Finals and still win a championship....

Poor Kobe... He deserves a medal for sticking it out through such hard times in LA. :facepalm

Celebrating Kobe for staying with his team is like praising Jay Z for "enduring the struggles of having to have sex with Beyonce' every night." Poor Jay Z...How does he do it?

Knowing Kobe and his will to win you would only LIE to yourself if you think he would stay in Cleveland if he was Lebron... he would have first of all never been in Finals or ECF with that team or won a MVP or anything... he would have never been able to squeeze out the success Lebron was able to with what he had to work with around him.... he would have left MUCH earlier and not by free-agency... but pulling a shotgun on everybody and begging, whining, complaining, threatining for a trade or for them to sign the best player so he can ride him.. or he leaves...

[rmt]

Kobe had Shaq and won 3 championships with him. Give Lebron a prime Shaq and lets see if he would have left Cleveland.

Kobe even wanted out of LA until the Gasol trade took place.

This. Seems to be that Kobe was dumb and Lebron was smart. Who runs a prime Shaq off the team and specifically calls out team mates by name? At least Lebron doesn't throw his team mates under a bus. Strongly disagree with the way Lebron did it but no shame in wanting to win and after 7 seven years, it was obvious he wasn't going to win in Cleveland.

[RRR3]

Kobe fans are getting sad. LeBron>Kobe deal with it

[TheBigVeto]

Lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe since Lebron's rookie year.
Nothing to see here. Let's move on folks.

[ripthekik]

Kobe fans are getting sad. LeBron>Kobe deal with it
Lebron's career will never surpass Kobe's, no matter how many rings he win in Miami. Because he will always be remembered as the guy who could only win with 2 other stars in their primes.

Sad reality for lebron fans to deal with. let me help you guys: :violin:

[AK47DR91]

Kobe didn't even want to play for a small market team on draft day.
He did that because he knew he would never win in Charlotte.

LeBron played 7 years for a shitty franchise and a shitty city.

Think about THAT, homeboy! :pimp:

[ripthekik]

Kobe didn't even want to play for a small market team on draft day.
He did that because he knew he would never win in Charlotte.

LeBron played 7 years for a shitty franchise and a shitty city.

Think about THAT, homeboy! :pimp:
And that affects their career in what way? We're judging players based on where they play now? The shittier place they play the higher their rankings go?
:roll: :roll:
Lebron fans logic, I'm LOVING YOU GUYS!:applause:

[PJR]

Lebron's career will never surpass Kobe's, no matter how many rings he win in Miami. Because he will always be remembered as the guy who could only win with 2 other stars in their primes.

Sad reality for lebron fans to deal with. let me help you guys: :violin:


Kobrick will forever be remembered as snitch ass sidekick who was lucky to play for the Lakers.

Deal with it Kobrick stans.


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[PJR]

And that affects their career in what way? We're judging players based on where they play now? The shittier place they play the higher their rankings go?
:roll: :roll:
Lebron fans logic, I'm LOVING YOU GUYS!:applause:

You honestly believe there isn't a benefit to playing in Los Angeles vs Cleveland when it comes to drawing free agents? You don't think front offices with more resources to improve matter?

Kill yourself fakkit :oldlol:

[chips93]

- Kobe wanted PRIME FRIKEN SHAQ ass to be shipped out of LA so he could prove he could win it all w/o him and get all the spotlight

if you are insinuating that this is a positive thing, you just dont know anything about competition

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Kobe wanted a white all star big man because of the inevitable reverse racism for finals MVP. That mamba is fukin genius.

[ripthekik]

Kobrick will forever be remembered as snitch ass sidekick who was lucky to play for the Lakers.

Deal with it Kobrick stans.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4920970629_7fb8758dbc.jpg
Nope, we remember Kobe for leading his team to 2 rings, which Lebron has yet to do.


You honestly believe there isn't a benefit to playing in Los Angeles vs Cleveland when it comes to drawing free agents? You don't think front offices with more resources to improve matter?

Kill yourself fakkit :oldlol:

So how have small market teams like spurs and thunders been building contender teams all these years?
:biggums:

[ripthekik]

How will Lebron be remembered?
hint: notice the spot where he is

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[AK47DR91]

You honestly believe there isn't a benefit to playing in Los Angeles vs Cleveland when it comes to drawing free agents? You don't think front offices with more resources to improve matter?

Kill yourself fakkit :oldlol:
And guess which big name free agent was went there during the same summer? Shaquille O'Neal. :lol

Kobe was given everything on draft night: Big market team and the most dominant center ever.

LeBron got Cleveland and Varajao. :lol
Jordan got a big city in Chicago but his sidekicks were Orlando Woolridge and Quintin Dailey. (I had to look them, still have no clue who the **** they are) :lol

[AK47DR91]

So how have small market teams like spurs and thunders been building contender teams all these years?
:biggums:
Because they drafted Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant. They were and are willing to play in those no media cities.

Neither are whiny diva f@ggots like Kobe Bryant.

[DaHeezy]

Just as I suspected, 5 pages and nobody understood the OP's point.

[RRR3]

Just as I suspected, 5 pages and nobody understood the OP's point.
It's hard to understand something that isn't there.:confusedshrug:

[PJR]

Nope, we remember Kobe for leading his team to 2 rings, which Lebron has yet to do.



So how have small market teams like spurs and thunders been building contender teams all these years?
:biggums:

Because they hit slam dunks on MULTIPLE draft picks.

In Cleveland? It was a complete disaster after LeBron was drafted.

-The Carlos Boozer fiasco with Jim Paxon.

- Cleveland' sole lottery pick in the LeBron era was wasted on a complete bust in Luke Jakcson.

- in 2005, where Ray Allen and Michael Redd were free agents, Cleveland had to settle for the Larry Hughes, Damon Jones, and Donyell Marshall doo doo platter.

These are multiple mishaps which ultimately led to a situation where LeBron had no choice but to look for greener pastures.

But idiots like you think winning is black and white. There are multiple variables that go into building a title team.

[ripthekik]

Because they drafted Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant. They were and are willing to play in those no media cities.

Neither are whiny diva f@ggots like Kobe Bryant.
Proof that you can still build contenders in small market cities.

BTW, i'm more curious about the OP's avatar. What's with that retarded harden pic?

[AK47DR91]

Proof that you can still build contenders in small market cities.


My point exactly. So for Kobe to opt out of Charlotte makes him look even more like a bitch than LeBron because LeBron was man enough to spend 7 years in shitty old Cleveland.

Kobe didn't even want to go to the summer league as Charlotte Hornets player.

Kobe = phony bitch

[ripthekik]

My point exactly. So for Kobe to opt out of Charlotte makes him look even more like a bitch than LeBron because LeBron was man enough to spend 7 years in shitty old Cleveland.

Kobe didn't even want to go to the summer league as Charlotte Hornets player.

Kobe = phony bitch
So why the hell does all of this matter? I don't care about the location or market of team. They are free to join or leave it for their own reasons.
It's only that PJR retard that said it matters.

[LBJ 23]

My point exactly. So for Kobe to opt out of Charlotte makes him look even more like a bitch than LeBron because LeBron was man enough to spend 7 years in shitty old Cleveland.

Kobe didn't even want to go to the summer league as Charlotte Hornets player.

Kobe = phony bitch

Excatly.

Lebron atleast tried to do something with the Cavs from the very start when he was drafted even though he knew what a shithole Cleveland is. And he stayed there for 7 years. Some other players wanted to play in a stacked and big market team from the very start of their career yet Lebron is the one being blamed?

[ripthekik]

Excatly.

Lebron atleast tried to do something with the Cavs from the very start when he was drafted even though he knew what a shithole Cleveland is. And he stayed there for 7 years. Some other players wanted to play in a stacked and big market team from the very start yet Lebron is the one being blamed?
No one is blaming him for leaving Cavs, at least I'm not.
Location, team doesn't matter. It's who he teamed up next that matters.
And so he formed a team that consists of 2 of the league's top 5 players and star PF.

Something Kobe would not have done. That is the point of OP.

[PJR]

Who gives a **** what Kobrick wouldn't do? He isn't in LeBron's league as a player. :oldlol:

What's exactly the big deal with playing with Wade and Bosh? Why can't LeBron play with other great players?

Why can't LeBron have his Worthy and Kareem?

Why can't he have his Pippen and Rodman?

Why can't he have McHale and Parrish, or Dennis Johnson?

Why can't LeBron play with great players? You are an absolute moron. The Heat are not anymore stacked relative to other all time great teams. You have a warped sense of reality.

[Dictator]

Who gives a **** what Kobrick wouldn't do? He isn't in LeBron's league as a player. :oldlol:

What's exactly the big deal with playing with Wade and Bosh? Why can't LeBron play with other great players?

Why can't LeBron have his Worthy and Kareem?

Why can't he have his Pippen and Rodman?

Why can't he have McHale and Parrish, or Dennis Johnson?

Why can't LeBron play with great players?


Because Kobe won with only Pau Gasol..........2 Times

[ripthekik]

Who gives a **** what Kobrick wouldn't do? He isn't in LeBron's league as a player. :oldlol:

That's right.. Lebron is currently no where near Kobe's league as well. Guess who's league is higher on top? :lol



What's exactly the big deal with playing with Wade and Bosh? Why can't LeBron play with other great players?

Why can't LeBron have his Worthy and Kareem?

Why can't he have his Pippen and Rodman?

Why can't he have McHale and Parrish, or Dennis Johnson?

Why can't LeBron play with great players?
When have any of them suddenly sign and all 3 teamed up in their primes? And having 2 of the league's top 5 player and another star together?

[PJR]

Because Kobe won with only Pau Gasol..........2 Times

Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, with Lamar Odom coming off the bench.

[Dictator]

Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, with Lamar Odom coming off the bench.


Post Bynum's and Lamar's stats during the last 2 championships......:lol

[ripthekik]

Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, with Lamar Odom coming off the bench.
Did you not see the other thread?

Bynum averaged 7 points and 6 rebounds. top 5th in scoring for his team and 4th in rebounds. Great help huh?

Odom didn't do any better either. Feel free to look up the stats.

[PJR]

When have any of them suddenly sign and all 3 teamed up in their primes? And having 2 of the league's top 5 player and another star together?

How a team gets on the floor is completly irrelevent, moron. :oldlol:

So if it happened by stroke of luck, it would be okay then huh?

[AK47DR91]

Wade after winning the chip while playing with an old and injured Shaq: 1st Round exit, 1st Round exit, no playoffs, 1st Round exit

Bosh in Toronto: two playoff appearances, all 1st Round exits

Are Wade and Bosh good players? yes. Can they win without playing with other stars? Hell no.

Kobe without Shaq and pre-Gasol/Bynum/Odom: missed playoffs, 1st Round exit, 1st Round exit

As you can see...great players still need other great players to win it all.

The only champions who can say they didn't need other superstars to win it is Hakeem and maybe Dirk from 2011.

[PJR]

Post Bynum's and Lamar's stats during the last 2 championships......:lol


Chris Bosh averaged a mere 14 & 9 this postseason. Horace Grant numbers. You don't think he had an impact on the games?

When you have quality size, it's more than about numbers. It's about the threats on the court.

Don't be stupid.

[Peteballa]

Everytime I see a thread was started by you, without even looking at the title of what you posted, I can safely assume that it is an agenda driven anti-LeBron thread.

[ripthekik]

Wade after winning the chip while playing with an old and injured Shaq: 1st Round exit, 1st Round exit, no playoffs, 1st Round exit

Bosh in Toronto: two playoff appearances, all 1st Round exits

Are Wade and Bosh good players? yes. Can they win without playing with other stars? Hell no.

Kobe without Shaq and pre-Gasol/Bynum/Odom: missed playoffs, 1st Round exit, 1st Round exit

As you can see...great players still need other great players to win it all.

The only champions who can say they didn't need other superstars to win it is Hakeem and maybe Dirk from 2011.
Most champions need 1 other star, and the rest good role players.
If you're the league's number 1, most dominant, then you should only need one more star, aka Shaq and Kobe.

This dude bron bron as number 1 still needed to find a top 5 and star PF

and Wade has proven himself btw. Showed how he can lead much more than lebron ever can.

[Peteballa]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=93585

[Dictator]

Chris Bosh averaged a mere 14 & 9 this postseason. Horace Grant numbers. You don't think he had an impact on the games?

When you have quality size, it's more than about numbers. It's about the threats on the court.

Don't be stupid.

Was Bosh a star in Toronto? Yes.
Was Wade a star with the Heat? Yes.

The reason Bosh's number went down is because Lebron is too ball dominant, and Bosh's impact was greater than Lamars.

Meanwhile Lebron had Chalmers and Battier giving him 12-20 point games including Wade putting up 24 5 5.

[PJR]

Was Bosh a star in Toronto? Yes.
Was Wade a star with the Heat? Yes.

The reason Bosh's number went down is because Lebron is too ball dominant, and Bosh's impact was greater than Lamars.

Meanwhile Lebron had Chalmers and Battier giving him 12-20 point games including Wade putting up 24 5 5.

How is any of this shit relevant? Good lord you Kobrick stans are dense.

[The Macho Man]

Have you seen Shaq on tv? That's why Kobe wanted him gone. He's an awful awful person.

[Dictator]

How is any of this shit relevant? Good lord you Kobrick stans are dense.


:facepalm You trying to make an argument out of nothing. Just because Pau, Bynum, and Lamar were tall that makes the Lakers so much better???????? :lol :roll:

If you're 7'5 but can't make a layup, how does that help? :lol

[Dengness9]

How about this

Lebron is getting paid less to win when Kobe is getting paid like 25 milion a year so the Lakers can't bring in any talent.


NICE AVY.....DONT EVER ROOT FOR THE BULLS AGAIN.


Ever heard of Benedict Arnold? Traitor.

[LakersReign]

How about this

Lebron is getting paid less to win when Kobe is getting paid like 25 milion a year so the Lakers can't bring in any talent.

The straight idiocy of this statement. Lebron had to take a pay cut to team up with Wade/Bosh, cuz that was the only way it could work. Until their contracts expire, they can only sign people to the vet minimum. Before they won, everybody was of the opinion that the team had to be reconstructed if they did lose this year. So, stop trying to make it look like it was some grand flawless design by Riley and Miami F.O. In spite of Kobe's contract, Lakers can make moves cuz they have some trade assets. Miami is stuck the way it is, so who's the one who can't bring in talent?:facepalm

[AK47DR91]

Was Bosh a star in Toronto? Yes.
Was Wade a star with the Heat? Yes.

The reason Bosh's number went down is because Lebron is too ball dominant, and Bosh's impact was greater than Lamars.

Meanwhile Lebron had Chalmers and Battier giving him 12-20 point games including Wade putting up 24 5 5.
Bosh put up good numbers in Toronto but he only had the playoffs twice.
Brand put up 20/10 for much of his career but only had the playoffs once or twice during those 20/0 years. Is he a superstar?

Wade is a star who couldn't get out the 1st Round after the 2006 season.

[PJR]

:facepalm You trying to make an argument out of nothing. Just because Pau, Bynum, and Lamar were tall that makes the Lakers so much better???????? :lol :roll:

If you're 7'5 but can't make a layup, how does that help? :lol

They aren't all "just tall" idiot. They are three really good players. That's the point. :facepalm

[Dictator]

They aren't all "just tall" idiot. They are three really good players. That's the point. :facepalm


Now we're back to the center point.

Post their stats during the two championships since they were sooooo good.

[DaHeezy]

It's hard to understand something that isn't there.:confusedshrug:

What the OP was trying to say is we can't be flipfloppers when making opinions.
As fans nothing satisfies us. It really has nothing to do with Kobe and Lebron

[AK47DR91]

What the OP was trying to say is we can't be flipfloppers when making opinions.
As fans nothing satisfies us. It really has nothing to do with Kobe and Lebron
WHAT!!!?? How is LeBron a flipflopper when he signed with Miami as a free agent?

What the f--k are you even talking about?

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Kobe wanted Shaq out because he had a large ego. LeBron left Cleveland on national because he has a large ego.

Also how did KOBE'S teams do with out an all star big man?
Actually, he somehow managed to make the playoffs, two straight years, in the VERY TOUGH west conference, with a team of scrubs (Smush, Kwame, etc) IMO, it was one of his greatest accomplishments. Sure, he lost in the first round, as anyone and everyone expected with that team of scrubs.

[Dictator]

WHAT!!!?? How is LeBron a flipflopper when he signed with Miami as a free agent?

What the f--k are you even talking about?

Lebron: "I'll win a ring in cleveland."
Lebron: "The Decision......not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4

[PJR]

Now we're back to the center point.

Post their stats during the two championships since they were sooooo good.

The reason their stats were so low is because how ball dominant Kobrick was. Just as you claimed LeBron's ball dominance deterred Bosh from putting up the numbers he's cabable off. They Laker bigs were content playing cleanup on all of the kobricks being launched.

Next.

[DaHeezy]

WHAT!!!?? How is LeBron a flipflopper when he signed with Miami as a free agent?

What the f--k are you even talking about?

You missed the whole point. He's talking about fans and how they make opinions.

Player X wanted to prove he was a star on his own

Player Z wanted to join with stars to win

You're too indulged with hating to see that point, so please look closely and try to figure that out

[PJR]

Actually, he somehow managed to make the playoffs, two straight years, in the VERY TOUGH west conference, with a team of scrubs (Smush, Kwame, etc) IMO, it was one of his greatest accomplishments. Sure, he lost in the first round, as anyone and everyone expected with that team of scrubs.

How did 2004-05 work out for him? Couldn't do shit without the Zen Master maximizing the Lakers mediocre talent. :lol

[AK47DR91]

You missed the whole point. He's talking about fans and how they make opinions.

Player X wanted to prove he was a star on his own

Player Z wanted to join with stars to win

You're too indulged with hating to see that point, so please look closely and try to figure that out
OP's exact quote:

- Kobe wanted PRIME FRIKEN SHAQ ass to be shipped out of LA so he could prove he could win it all w/o him and get all the spotlight.

- Lebron backstabbed a city and the people who truly loved him to join forces with 2 other superstars in order to shortcut his way into a ring.


These are players who do not belong in the same sentence when we talk about competitive nature.
He says nothing about the fans.

All he's trying to say is Kobe had more guts and more will because he had desire to be the #1 leader of his team.

Nothing he said or meant to say had anything to do with fans.

[Dictator]

The reason their stats were so low is because how ball dominant Kobrick was. Just as you claimed LeBron's ball dominance deterred Bosh from putting up the numbers he's cabable off. They Laker bigs were content playing cleanup on all of the kobricks being launched.

Next.

:lol Lamar's stats stayed the same until he went to Dallas.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/odomla01.html

We never got to see Bynum without Kobe but he stats have gotten better every year except in 11'.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01.html

Pau' stats stayed the same also.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html

Now please explain how Kobe is so ball dominant?

[AK47DR91]

Lebron: "I'll win a ring in cleveland."
Lebron: "The Decision......not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4
As if we don't make bad predictions.

Kobe:
I want to be traded
Ship his ass out(Bynum)

Hell, opting out of Charlotte to play for the Lakers is a bigger biggest bitch move than what LeBron did.

[DaHeezy]

OP's exact quote:

He says nothing about the fans.

All he's trying to say is Kobe had more guts and more will because he had desire to be the #1 leader of his team.

Nothing he said or meant to say had anything to do with fans.

See the way I read it is that you can't love/hate the one without love/hating the other. There was a negative conotation to both scenarios.

Maybe I read it that way because I'm an UNBIAS fan, but I see your point

[Dictator]

As if we don't make bad predictions.

Kobe:
I want to be traded
Ship his ass out(Bynum)

Hell, opting out of Charlotte to play for the Lakers is a bigger biggest bitch move than what LeBron did.


Lebron moved during his prime to join two other franchise player while boosting up cleveland fans by saying he was gonna bring them a chip.

[AK47DR91]

See the way I read it is that you can't love/hate the one without love/hating the other. There was a negative conotation to both scenarios.

Maybe I read it that way because I'm an UNBIAS fan, but I see your point
Well, the only "decision" Kobe had to make was on draft night but this was well before the Internet age, the social network age, so people never bashed him for that.

The whole Decision fiasco was blown out of proportion. Was the TV special stupid? YES! Was it wrong for LeBron to leave Cleveland? No, he was no longer under contract. Same when Kobe refused to play for Charlotte. Neither had a contract with anybody.

[Dictator]

Well, the only "decision" Kobe had to make was on draft night but this was well before the Internet age, the social network age, so people never bashed him for that.

The whole Decision fiasco was blown out of proportion. Was the TV special stupid? YES! Was it wrong for LeBron to leave Cleveland? No, he was no longer under contract. Same when Kobe refused to play for Charlotte. Neither had a contract with anybody.


Lebron moved during his prime to join two other franchise players while boosting up cleveland fans by saying he was gonna bring them a chip.

:confusedshrug:




:lol Lamar's stats stayed the same until he went to Dallas.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/odomla01.html

We never got to see Bynum without Kobe but he stats have gotten better every year except in 11'.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01.html

Pau' stats stayed the same also.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html

Now please explain how Kobe is so ball dominant?

PJR????

[AK47DR91]

Lebron moved during his prime to join two other franchise player while boosting up cleveland fans by saying he was gonna bring them a chip.I can list a bunch of franchise players who were stuck with shitty cast mates who did nothing in their careers. I'd rather see LeBron being on a "Big 3" type team than wasting his career with scrubs.

Bird-McHale-Parrish-Johnson, Magic-KAJ-Worthy-Scott...Y U NO diss these Big 3/Big 4? :confusedshrug:

Also, Kobe have said many stupid arrogant things as well.

Your point?