Lakers offering Gasol for a top 10 pick & a player.

[G-Funk]

The Lakers also are seeking an established player along with the pick if they're to part with Gasol.

According to Marc Stein & Chad Ford

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8103436/sources-los-angeles-lakers-want-established-player-top-10-pick-pau-gasol

[InspiredLebowski]

I see nothing on Stein's twitter about it

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

According to Marc Stein

Just get Lowry/scola & 14,18... Call it a fay

[DuMa]

I see nothing on Stein's twitter about it
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8103436/sources-los-angeles-lakers-want-established-player-top-10-pick-pau-gasol

[Kurosawa0]

Toronto's #8 + Bargnani?

Detroit's #9 + Rodney Stuckey?

I'd really like Golden State's #7 + David Lee

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Toronto's #8 + Bargnani?

Detroit's #9 + Rodney Stuckey?

I'd really like Golden State's #7 + David Lee


Like Toronto package.. D lee is worst paid of with. Zero defense

[gtfomyface]

bargnani seems good, low pick but he's improved his defense and could spread the floor for bynum

[G-Funk]

SAC-TOWNS Tyreke and 5th pick? Or Blazers6 pick along with Batum? I hope that pick is set their to get Dwill

[Kurosawa0]

SAC-TOWNS Tyreke and 5th pick? Or Blazers6 pick along with Batum? I hope that pick is set their to get Dwill

Seems like Deron Williams is going back to Brooklyn. I'd bet the Lakers would use the pick and try to see what they've got next year.

Not sure I'd want Kobe and Tyreke Evans on the same team.

[Kobr]

Kyrie and the 4th... get it done, Mitch!

[Kurosawa0]

Kyrie and the 4th... get it done, Mitch!

The Cavs wouldn't do that for Kobe.

[BlackVVaves]

Jim Buss is clueless :oldlol:

[KBryant24]

i want the washington rumor
blatche/ariza/3rd pick
give me barnes or rivers

then go through with the mo williams rumor
mo will
kobe
ariza
blatche
bynum

with barnes or rivers off the bench

[MeLO MvP 15]

Houston could turn #12 and either #16 or #18 into like a 7-10. That plus Scola sounds like what they're talking about. Then again knowing LA they'll get Lowry and more out of Houston too.

[sagr32]

The Toronto deal really intrigues me if they can snag Damian Lillard at #8

[neilio23]

The Toronto deal really intrigues me if they can snag Damian Lillard at #8

There is no way that BC is trading away his Golden Boy....

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Toronto's #8 + Bargnani?

Detroit's #9 + Rodney Stuckey?

I'd really like Golden State's #7 + David Lee

While we are at it: Tyreke Evans + #5

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Orlando will have to approve of the deal before it goes down.
Don't kid yourselves....this is really about packaging a top 10 pick with Bynum for DHoward.

[Horatio33]

The battery life on Daryl Morey's phone must be low as fukk.

[Harrison_Barnes]

As much as I can't stand Bargnani, I'd rather have him on the team then Gasol at this point. It makes no sense to trade someone who is just as good as Gasol and a lottery pick to get an old Gasol on a rebuilding team.

[Kurosawa0]

Orlando will have to approve of the deal before it goes down.
Don't kid yourselves....this is really about packaging a top 10 pick with Bynum for DHoward.

So the Lakers virtually are trading BOTH Gasol and Bynum for Howard? I thought that was too much for them.

[flipogb]

So the Lakers virtually are trading BOTH Gasol and Bynum for Howard? I thought that was too much for them.
if its for Josh Smith or Bargnani and a pick, then pick goes to Magic then it works

but the Wizards deal would basically turn into Gason/Bynum for Howard which is too much and that its not what the Lakers want to do

[BlackVVaves]

If the Lakers only had a clue...:facepalm

What they need is 3 point shooting to space the floor and punish teams for doubling Kobe or the post, a reliable point guard that won't Ty Lawson to look like prime Tim Hardaway in the playoffs, and a couple of players that aren't D-League level talent to add depth to the bench.

Swapping Bynum for Dwight isn't helping a thing. Still will have the some structural problems. Even WORST, essentially trading Gasol, Bynum, and a lottery pick for Dwight is irresponsible.

The Lakers front office should be focusing on Gerald Wallace. Beasley. Lowry. Bargnani. Calderon. Ariza. Courtney Lee. Players like that. They have too many holes to be making a trade that further depletes their thin roster.

But, again, Jim Buss doesn't have a clue :roll:

[Batz]

So the Lakers virtually are trading BOTH Gasol and Bynum for Howard? I thought that was too much for them.
Depends on the player(s) they get in the Gasol trade. I still don't like the idea of such a team only consisting of Kobe and Howard along with a bunch of nothing.

[Kurosawa0]

Depends on the player(s) they get in the Gasol trade. I still don't like the idea of such a team only consisting of Kobe and Howard along with a bunch of nothing.

I'm not sure I wouldn't just keep Bynum, the pick and whichever player comes along.

[pegasus]

They can get Barg, then use the pick and Bynum for Howard.

Kobe+Barg+Howard is a great trio to build around.

[ZeN]

Orlando will have to approve of the deal before it goes down.
Don't kid yourselves....this is really about packaging a top 10 pick with Bynum for DHoward.
QFT

LA is trying to go the Houston rout and try to get Orl. A high pick and a solid player.

[IGOTGAME]

As much as I can't stand Bargnani, I'd rather have him on the team then Gasol at this point. It makes no sense to trade someone who is just as good as Gasol and a lottery pick to get an old Gasol on a rebuilding team.

I understand the sentiment but Pau is better than Bargs

[LakersReign]

Depends on the player(s) they get in the Gasol trade. I still don't like the idea of such a team only consisting of Kobe and Howard along with a bunch of nothing.

I can understand the logic behind it. Kobe needs a reliable big man, and Howard needs a reliable scorer other than himself. So trading for Howard would make sense. But I'd hate to see the Lakers reduced to Kobe/Howard...and.........?

[Noof]

Toronto's #8 + Bargnani?
I'd love that. Bargnani would complement Kobe and Bynum very well, and they could potentially get Lillard with the pick. Doubt it happens though.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

So the Lakers virtually are trading BOTH Gasol and Bynum for Howard? I thought that was too much for them.

No.
For example, they trade with Golden State: #7 pick plus David Lee for Gasol.
Then, #7 and Bynum for DHoward.

Lakers end up with Lee and Howard. By the way, I think Lee would be a terrific complement to Howard. Nice mid-range game. Bangs the boards hard.

[Rnbizzle]

I'd love that. Bargnani would complement Kobe and Bynum very well, and they could potentially get Lillard with the pick. Doubt it happens though.
Yeah that's what I was thinking, but I doubt Toronto actually makes this move.

[Batz]

I understand the sentiment but Pau is better than Bargs
But Bargs/Howard... That could be more lethal than Pau/Bynum. And Mike Brown's stupid offense would actually be functional.

They can do wonders here. Kobe/Bargs/Howard, maybe grab some other players. I know Jose wants to go to a contender, snatch him maybe in that deal. Somehow resign Sessions, trade that TPE for something useful, use that mini-mle and now I'm just rambling shit...

I just know that Pau has to go if this Lakers team wants to be more than 2nd round knockoff. This route they might be taking here, it sounds interesting to say the least.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, but I doubt Toronto actually makes this move.
I really doubt that also. Raptors are high on Andrea and really wanna see how he and Jonas will work.

[BlackVVaves]

No.
For example, they trade with Golden State: #7 pick plus David Lee for Gasol.
Then, #7 and Bynum for DHoward.

Lakers end up with Lee and Howard. By the way, I think Lee would be a terrific complement to Howard. Nice mid-range game. Bangs the boards hard.

And you're left with Lee's atrocious contract, which is by far worst than Gasol's, who is already the better player. Which gives you even less cap space to make any even half way significant roster changes. You're still stuck with a skeleton for a bench, no point guard, and Artest as your starting SF.

Good luck.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

If Toronto has a real shot at landing Steve Nash, then acquiring Gasol would make sense and also be an enticement for Nash.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

And you're left with Lee's atrocious contract, which is by far worst than Gasol's, who is already the better player. Which gives you even less cap space to make any even half way significant roster changes. You're still stuck with a skeleton for a bench, no point guard, and Artest as your starting SF.

Good luck.
Other needs aside, the question is: Is Howard/Lee combo better than Bynum/Gasol?
I would say yes, certainly. And, I believe, Lee is a couple years younger than Gasol.
I agree that Lee has a fat contract.

[BlackVVaves]

But Bargs/Howard... That could be more lethal than Pau/Bynum. And Mike Brown's stupid offense would actually be functional.

They can do wonders here. Kobe/Bargs/Howard, maybe grab some other players. I know Jose wants to go to a contender, snatch him maybe in that deal. Somehow resign Sessions, trade that TPE for something useful, use that mini-mle and now I'm just rambling shit...

I just know that Pau has to go if this Lakers team wants to be more than 2nd round knockoff. This route they might be taking here, it sounds interesting to say the least.

I really doubt that also. Raptors are high on Andrea and really wanna see how he and Jonas will work.


Lakers would be lucky as hell to get Bargnani for Gasol straight up (due to his value to Toronto), but sure as hell aren't getting a lottery pick AND Bargs for Pau.

Would have to be Pau, future draft pick, and a player towards the end of their rotation for Bargnani.

[Batz]

Lakers would be lucky as hell to get Bargnani for Gasol straight up (due to his value to Toronto), but sure as hell aren't getting a lottery pick AND Bargs for Pau.

Would have to be Pau, future draft pick, and a player towards the end of their rotation for Bargnani.
I don't think anyone has any idea what Colangelo is thinking. Ever.

[BlackVVaves]

Other needs aside, the question is: Is Howard/Lee combo better than Bynum/Gasol?
I would say yes, certainly. And, I believe, Lee is a couple years younger than Gasol.
I agree that Lee has a fat contract.

Unfortunately, it's those needs aside that have prevented you guys from advancing past the second round of the playoffs the last couple of years.

Even with how poor Bynum and Gasol collectively played in the OKC series, if the Lakers had players replacing Artest, Sessions, Blake, Barnes, Mcrob, and an actual shooting guard that could relieve Kobe and, you know, shoot, then the Lakers probably go to 7 games against KD and the Thunder.

The problem is, the only way to get that depth, to add shooters, is to trade one of those players. Gasol or Bynum. If all things equal though? I would see no reason to break that tandem up.

[DuMa]

Mike Bresnahan @Mike_Bresnahan

Separetely, Lakers interested in Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, would be open to trading Pau for Top-5 pick and right package o' players

[Deltron3030]

Toronto's #8 + Bargnani?

Detroit's #9 + Rodney Stuckey?

I'd really like Golden State's #7 + David Lee

AND David Lee? You crazy child, way to much. I was thinking for the pick straight up and maybe someone off the bench. It's not like Bogut will stay healthy, this gives them 3 big bodies.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

No.
For example, they trade with Golden State: #7 pick plus David Lee for Gasol.
Then, #7 and Bynum for DHoward.

Lakers end up with Lee and Howard. By the way, I think Lee would be a terrific complement to Howard. Nice mid-range game. Bangs the boards hard.

& plays zero defense... & is paid crazy money

[Deltron3030]

If the Lakers only had a clue...:facepalm

What they need is 3 point shooting to space the floor and punish teams for doubling Kobe or the post, a reliable point guard that won't Ty Lawson to look like prime Tim Hardaway in the playoffs, and a couple of players that aren't D-League level talent to add depth to the bench.

Swapping Bynum for Dwight isn't helping a thing. Still will have the some structural problems. Even WORST, essentially trading Gasol, Bynum, and a lottery pick for Dwight is irresponsible.

The Lakers front office should be focusing on Gerald Wallace. Beasley. Lowry. Bargnani. Calderon. Ariza. Courtney Lee. Players like that. They have too many holes to be making a trade that further depletes their thin roster.

But, again, Jim Buss doesn't have a clue :roll:

Good post. I hate the lakers but agree entirely.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Mike Bresnahan @Mike_Bresnahan

Separetely, Lakers interested in Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, would be open to trading Pau for Top-5 pick and right package o' players

no way in hell they land MKG just by giving up Pau

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Houston could turn #12 and either #16 or #18 into like a 7-10. That plus Scola sounds like what they're talking about. Then again knowing LA they'll get Lowry and more out of Houston too.
Scola is deemed to be a bad contract. And he is old. I believe he is actually OLDER than Gasol.
It would have to be Lowry, Scola, good picks (to make up for Scola's bad contract).

Lakers then send the good picks plus Bynum for DHoward.

[RRR3]

If Lakers fans think Gasol is "soft" what are they going to think of Bargs? :eek:
If Lakers fans think Sessions is a bad defender, what are they going to think of Calderon? :eek:


I don't know why the Lakers are continually determined to shop Pau Gasol, who despite many acting like he's terrible, is a top 5-7 PF in the NBA IMO (and PF is probably the deepest position right now, with PG being the only debatable position in terms of depth). How many better PF's can you name? Not many better than Pau IMO.

[Batz]

If Lakers fans think Gasol is "soft" what are they going to think of Bargs? :eek:
If Lakers fans think Sessions is a bad defender, what are they going to think of Calderon? :eek:


I don't know why the Lakers are continually determined to shop Pau Gasol, who despite many acting like he's terrible, is a top 5-7 PF in the NBA IMO (and PF is probably the deepest position right now, with PG being the only debatable position in terms of depth). How many better PF's can you name? Not many better than Pau IMO.
Andrea is fragile sure, but he's more aggressive on a regular basis than Pau. Atleast from what I've seen of him in the last two years where I've grown to love him as a player, and grown to hate Pau Gasol. And if the idea of trading for him and Howard... A Bargs/Howard combo would be ideal really.

And I don't know what you've been watching. But Pau gasol has been an abysmal player for the last two years. He's useless to this Lakers team, on both ends of the floor, and he's made it clear that he won't be producing as much as he did in his championship years so they might aswell dump 20 mil something and 32 year old sorry ass somewhere else and get pieces to still contend with Kobe and maybe even beyong his retirement.

[RRR3]

Andrea is fragile sure, but he's more aggressive on a regular basis than Pau. Atleast from what I've seen of him in the last two years where I've grown to love him as a player, and grown to hate Pau Gasol. And if the idea of trading for him and Howard... A Bargs/Howard combo would be ideal really.

And I don't know what you've been watching. But Pau gasol has been an abysmal player for the last two years. He's useless to this Lakers team, on both ends of the floor, and he's made it clear that he won't be producing as much as he did in his championship years so they might aswell dump 20 mil something and 32 year old sorry ass somewhere else and get pieces to still contend with Kobe and maybe even beyong his retirement.
At least Pau can get rebounds. :confusedshrug: LOL @ abysmal player, come on now.

[Batz]

At least Pau can get rebounds. :confusedshrug: LOL @ abysmal player, come on now.
Considering what he is capable of, yes he's been abysmal. He limits himself, and in return he sabotages a Lakers team that is more than a 2nd round knockoff two years in a row if he actually gives two shits and a cracker.

I do like his team defense though...

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

At least Pau can get rebounds. :confusedshrug: LOL @ abysmal player, come on now.
wilted in the playoffs....2 years in a row.
was literally afraid to shoot against his fellow countryman.

[Dictator]

Considering what he is capable of, yes he's been abysmal. He limits himself, and in return he sabotages a Lakers team that is more than a 2nd round knockoff two years in a row if he actually gives two shits and a cracker.

I still say keep gasol. Atleast he helped win 2 chips. Bynum's azz on the other hand....

[RRR3]

Considering what he is capable of, yes he's been abysmal. He limits himself, and in return he sabotages a Lakers team that is more than a 2nd round knockoff two years in a row if he actually gives two shits and a cracker.
Ok, he's underpeformed. I'm just saying, don't act like he's a bad player. :no: Not seeing how Bargs is an upgrade. Sure you get a 3PT shooter, but Pau is still far better than Bargs.

[ZeN]

I don't know why the Lakers are continually determined to shop Pau Gasol, who despite many acting like he's terrible, is a top 5-7 PF in the NBA IMO (and PF is probably the deepest position right now, with PG being the only debatable position in terms of depth). How many better PF's can you name? Not many better than Pau IMO.
At least in my case, I hope he gets traded but not because he isnt good. Its because his time of being a game changer has passed. He contributes but theres no fight left in him. He feels like a player going through the motions and not trying to excel or get to a higher level of play. The first few seasons as a Laker you could tell that he was focus and looking to improve in order to win big. Now he plays great and is efficient but he wont make your team rise to the next level.

The Lakers and Gasol have reached a point where growth together has reached its peak. So each would do well in making a change. Im sure that Gasol would benefit from a change. His being traded would motivate him and allow him to refocus on the goal of winning. The Lakers would then receive some new blood in the trade and get players that will be looking to cement their own winning legacy.

Basically whether we like it or not, progression is now stagnant and motivation to win is passe.

Lakers need a major shake up to renew the winning goal and to refocus the journey of climbing the mountain, like when Gasol was traded to the Lakers and Bynum was doing well.. it was the new feeling of success that started the motivational sparks.

[Batz]

Ok, he's underpeformed. I'm just saying, don't act like he's a bad player. :no: Not seeing how Bargs is an upgrade. Sure you get a 3PT shooter, but Pau is still far better than Bargs.
You'll get a more aggressive scorer. Someone who compliments Howard and can actually function in Brown's offense, and out of it with Kobe. That in return can do more wonders than what Gasol has done the past two seasons.

Lets just say that Andrea's pump fake and drive will be more deadly than Gasol's pump fake, pass and then disappear beyond the three point line.

[macmac]

Raptors would never trade Bargs and the 8th....it's either something like Calderon Kleiza and the 8th........or Bargs Calderon and Ed Davis for Gasol

[RRR3]

You'll get a more aggressive scorer. Someone who compliments Howard and can actually function in Brown's offense, and out of it with Kobe. That in return can do more wonders than what Gasol has done the past two seasons.

Lets just say that Andrea's pump fake and drive will be more deadly than Gasol's pump fake, pass and then disappear beyond the three point line.
Funny way to spell Bynum. Unless you actually think the Lakers will get Dwight :coleman:

[Batz]

Funny way to spell Bynum. Unless you actually think the Lakers will get Dwight :coleman:
I don't know if you got this but... This is all speculation...

But DAMN. Andrea/Bynum would be kickass too. Same shit. Two players who compliment each other, work well within Brown's offense and out of it with Kobe. Not much difference, would like more assets in a deal if that's the case. Just Howard is better. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

I don't know if you got this but... This is all speculation...

But DAMN. Andrea/Bynum would be kickass too. Same shit. Two players who compliment each other, work well within Brown's offense and out of it with Kobe. Not much difference, would like more assets in a deal if that's the case. Just Howard is better. :oldlol:
Why don't you take LeBron James and Chris Paul while you're at it? Then you can get Kevin Love!

Sorry for being snarky, Batz, since you're a good poster, just a little bemused by Lakers fans screaming for parity in the NBA (not you other Lakers fans) and then expecting to get D12 and Dwill

[Batz]

Why don't you take LeBron James and Chris Paul while you're at it? Then you can get Kevin Love!
Did you get lost or do you just love not to contribute to civil discussions?

[RRR3]

Did you get lost or do you just love not to contribute to civil discussions?
I edited my post:coleman:

[Riley Martin]

Why don't you take LeBron James and Chris Paul while you're at it? Then you can get Kevin Love!

Sorry for being snarky, Batz, since you're a good poster, just a little bemused by Lakers fans screaming for parity in the NBA (not you other Lakers fans) and then expecting to get D12 and Dwill


:wtf: talking about getting Bargnani/Dwight is different than talking about getting Deron/Dwight.

not sure why you're attacking Batz

[G-Funk]

Lakers want MKG

[Batz]

I edited my post:coleman:
Yeah I still don't get why you had throw out such aberrations when I justified that even if Howard isn't in the discussion - Andrea/Bynum would pair more ideally than that of Pau/Bynum.

[sagr32]

Lakers want MKGI think the lowest he falls is 4 to the cavs so if they want MKG that WAS deal is possible.

[BlackVVaves]

If Lakers fans think Gasol is "soft" what are they going to think of Bargs? :eek:
If Lakers fans think Sessions is a bad defender, what are they going to think of Calderon? :eek:


I don't know why the Lakers are continually determined to shop Pau Gasol, who despite many acting like he's terrible, is a top 5-7 PF in the NBA IMO (and PF is probably the deepest position right now, with PG being the only debatable position in terms of depth). How many better PF's can you name? Not many better than Pau IMO.

Nothing is ever that black and white in sports, particularly roster management.

Like I said in one of my posts, Gasol and Bynum, aside from their individual talent, have a synergy together on the court that is admirable. The tandem is not the reason the Lakers have been left home watching the finals for the lady two years (though, they certainly didn't help the cause either, in both the Dallas series in 2011 and OKC series this year.)

HOWEVER. With that said. A team with no cap room, and only 3 legit pieces to trade - one being the franchise player and the common denominator to all of the organizations last 7 Finals appearances - has to make tough decisions in order to improve. Meaning, it's either stay stagnant with that Top 5 PF, or move him for pieces that otherwise would be unattainable.

Still, even more dumb than staying pat with their roster would be making lateral moves in the spirit of, making lateral moves. If the Lakers want to assemble a team worthy of Top 3 status next year, they have to develop a comprehensive plan. One or two moved isn't going to cut it, this isn't 2008. They need to be committed to acquiring a mix of star, moderate, and cheap talent, in a highly efficient way, if they want to be in the WCF next year.

Also, all things considered. Bargnani and Calderon very well might be better for the Lakers than Gasol and Sessions. Gasol (not sure about Sessions after this past postseaon) is better than Bargs, but for the team? Bynum needs a stretch 4 that is a threat from the outside to succeed. Turning Gasol into a jumpshooter only hurt him this past season. They should focus on a player whose naturally habitat IS the outside perimeter, and that's why Bargnani makes sense, and I've been saying it for months.

I'll say this. As much as you Lakers fans catch flack around here, it truly must be a trying time. You guys are so close, yet so far away. If Buss Sr. was still calling the shots then I'd see reason to be more confident. But Jim Buss is a stubborn idiot. The only thing worst than an idiot is a stubborn idiot. All of his moves thusfar have reeked of mediocrity, including hiring the offensively challenged Mike Brown. It's not too late to turn the ship around, but this team's forseeable future as champions again lay with Kobe, whether the ISH maniacs claiming he's "not even top 30 All Time" claim (that poster deserved to have his account deactivated :facepalm: ). When Kobe slips out of the Top 10 current players list, so too will the Lakers chances of winning. So, the front office has 2, MAYBE 3 summers at best to put something together.

And trading for a rookie isn't exactly going to help the cause.

[RRR3]

Yeah I still don't get why you had throw out such aberrations when I justified that even if Howard isn't in the discussion - Andrea/Bynum would pair more ideally than that of Pau/Bynum.
Sorry, I'm just feeling exasperated with ISH lately lol. You're right, but I can't see the majority of Lakers fans being pleased with Bargnani's style of play. Josh Smith on the other hand...

[Batz]

Sorry, I'm just feeling exasperated with ISH lately lol. You're right, but I can't see the majority of Lakers fans being pleased with Bargnani's style of play. Josh Smith on the other hand...
Understandable... I guess.


Josh Smith is an iffy direction to go to. If it's just a Smith for Pau trade and eventually the re-addition of Sessions, there isn't much of an upside here. Alot of the problems the Lakers have faced the past two seasons have been due to the offensive meltdowns and inconsistencies. Although Josh's athleticism and youth add a nice touch to a team that's lacking in such an area, and his passing is gratifying, but he doesn't do much for an already crippled offense.

His shooting has always been questionable, definitely more than that of Gasol's. So he doesn't compliment Bynum in anyway, or Howard if the Lakers end up retrieving him (rage). The offense that Mike Brown has been so devotedly and incautiously been integrating this season doesn't fit Josh's strengths, and I really don't envision him being much of a productive player around Bryant.

It's an upgrade, but not so much to say the least. Not from what I see. He adds highly to the defense and rebounding, but again, that's not the focus of this off-season.

[RRR3]

Understandable... I guess.


Josh Smith is an iffy direction to go to. If it's just a Smith for Pau trade and eventually the re-addition of Sessions, there isn't much of an upside here. Alot of the problems the Lakers have faced the past two seasons have been due to the offensive meltdowns and inconsistencies. Although Josh's athleticism and youth add a nice touch to a team that's lacking in such an area, and his passing is gratifying, but he doesn't do much for an already crippled offense.

His shooting has always been questionable, definitely more than that of Gasol's. So he doesn't compliment Bynum in anyway, or Howard if the Lakers end up retrieving him (rage). The offense that Mike Brown has been so devotedly and incautiously been integrating this season doesn't fit Josh's strengths, and I really don't envision him being much of a productive player around Bryant.

It's an upgrade, but not so much to say the least. Not from what I see. He adds highly to the defense and rebounding, but again, that's not the focus of this off-season.
Oh yeah I spoke without considering Smith's propensity for taking 3s:banghead: He is actually a pretty good midrange shooter though. Are Lakers still trying to get Kyle Lowry and/or Beasley?

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Sorry, I'm just feeling exasperated with ISH lately lol. You're right, but I can't see the majority of Lakers fans being pleased with Bargnani's style of play. Josh Smith on the other hand...
If it was simply a matter of Bargs, then you are correct.
Hoever, Bargs may be the perfect compliment to Dwight Howard. And that could be very very interesting.

[Batz]

Oh yeah I spoke without considering Smith's propensity for taking 3s:banghead: He is actually a pretty good midrange shooter though. Are Lakers still trying to get Kyle Lowry and/or Beasley?
I don't know. From what I've heard, Houston's plan B is to trade for Gasol. I don't know if Lakers are in for that just yet. Beasley? Unless the words TPE are involved, I sure hope not.


If it was simply a matter of Bargs, then you are correct.
Hoever, Bargs may be the perfect compliment to Dwight Howard. And that could be very very interesting.
And adding someone like Calderon... well jizz till next june my friend.

[FireDavidKahn]

The Lakers are delusional if they think they will get that kind of a return for Gasol.

[G-Funk]

The Lakers are delusional if they think they will get that kind of a return for Gasol.
probably so

[LBJMVP]

Kyrie and the 4th... get it done, Mitch!


as a cavs fan i wouldn't do that trade for anyone in the league.

[Kobr]

as a cavs fan i wouldn't do that trade for anyone in the league.

I think you might be overrating Kyrie a bit then.

[MisterAmazing]

i want the washington rumor
blatche/ariza/3rd pick
give me barnes or rivers

then go through with the mo williams rumor
mo will
kobe
ariza
blatche
bynum

with barnes or rivers off the bench


rivers at third?:kobe:

[brownmamba00]

I hope these memphis talks are true

zbo+allen>bargs+8th>smith+20th

[LA_Showtime]

Nothing is ever that black and white in sports, particularly roster management.

Like I said in one of my posts, Gasol and Bynum, aside from their individual talent, have a synergy together on the court that is admirable. The tandem is not the reason the Lakers have been left home watching the finals for the lady two years (though, they certainly didn't help the cause either, in both the Dallas series in 2011 and OKC series this year.)

HOWEVER. With that said. A team with no cap room, and only 3 legit pieces to trade - one being the franchise player and the common denominator to all of the organizations last 7 Finals appearances - has to make tough decisions in order to improve. Meaning, it's either stay stagnant with that Top 5 PF, or move him for pieces that otherwise would be unattainable.

Still, even more dumb than staying pat with their roster would be making lateral moves in the spirit of, making lateral moves. If the Lakers want to assemble a team worthy of Top 3 status next year, they have to develop a comprehensive plan. One or two moved isn't going to cut it, this isn't 2008. They need to be committed to acquiring a mix of star, moderate, and cheap talent, in a highly efficient way, if they want to be in the WCF next year.

Also, all things considered. Bargnani and Calderon very well might be better for the Lakers than Gasol and Sessions. Gasol (not sure about Sessions after this past postseaon) is better than Bargs, but for the team? Bynum needs a stretch 4 that is a threat from the outside to succeed. Turning Gasol into a jumpshooter only hurt him this past season. They should focus on a player whose naturally habitat IS the outside perimeter, and that's why Bargnani makes sense, and I've been saying it for months.

I'll say this. As much as you Lakers fans catch flack around here, it truly must be a trying time. You guys are so close, yet so far away. If Buss Sr. was still calling the shots then I'd see reason to be more confident. But Jim Buss is a stubborn idiot. The only thing worst than an idiot is a stubborn idiot. All of his moves thusfar have reeked of mediocrity, including hiring the offensively challenged Mike Brown. It's not too late to turn the ship around, but this team's forseeable future as champions again lay with Kobe, whether the ISH maniacs claiming he's "not even top 30 All Time" claim (that poster deserved to have his account deactivated :facepalm: ). When Kobe slips out of the Top 10 current players list, so too will the Lakers chances of winning. So, the front office has 2, MAYBE 3 summers at best to put something together.

And trading for a rookie isn't exactly going to help the cause.

No they don't. Bynum and Gasol don't make each other better. Bynum definitely makes Gasol less effective.