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Bigsmoke
06-28-2012, 12:25 PM
2009- solid rookie year. didnt to much in the playoffs
2010- benched by carlos arroyo
2011- benched by carlos arroyo and then Bibby but showed signs of improvement in the FInals
2012= had a few big games. Hit some huge shots like in game 3 in that Knicks series and game 4 against the Thunder. shot 39% from three and played pretty solid throughtout the entire year.

will he get even better after winning his first championship like
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/3164382/rajon-rondo.jpg
or he will just be a

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r166/AFCaveman/act_derek_fisher.jpg

Derrick
06-28-2012, 12:27 PM
Somewhere in the middle?

TMT
06-28-2012, 12:28 PM
Definitely in between, leaning for toward the D-Fish side though.

alwaysunny
06-28-2012, 12:31 PM
Worse than Rondo but better than Fisher. In between sounds about right.

LikeABosh
06-28-2012, 12:36 PM
His ceiling is a top 15 pg. He lacks abilities in court vision and ball handling to be a great pg. He just doesn't have "it".

RRR3
06-28-2012, 12:37 PM
He's a nice player and a better scorer than a lot of people realize. Prime fisher wasn't a bad player btw and chalmers is a similar player IMO

Alamo
06-28-2012, 12:39 PM
He'll be better than Carlos Arroyo

r15mohd
06-28-2012, 12:40 PM
i think he needs an urge to get his game going...we see it constantly when Norris Coler performs, Chalmers will come right back in and light up the scoreboard.

If he can, somehow, find that fire from within...he's a great PG asset for the Heat, and any other team for that matter. However, his downside is that he does make some very ill-advised decisions sometimes...whcih we see Lebron/Bosh/Wade giving him hell for!:confusedshrug:

Donnybrook
06-28-2012, 12:40 PM
Chalmers will not do any better (maybe no worse, either) than last season.

To me, it seems like Chalmers gets the luxury of playing with very little pressure and can afford to take risks because he has 3 main guys to lift him up if need be. I've always thought that if you put Chalmers on another mid to top tier team that he would probably be coming off of the bench.

But who knows, only time will tell if he develops. If I were Miami I would be looking for a PG who can delegate more and really bring out the best in Lebron/Wade/Bosh.

Chalmers just kind of hands the ball to LBJ or Wade after he crosses half court and then stands at the top of the key, occasionally getting an open jumper from 3. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Bigsmoke
06-28-2012, 12:44 PM
Chalmers will not do any better (maybe no worse, either) than last season.

To me, it seems like Chalmers gets the luxury of playing with very little pressure and can afford to take risks because he has 3 main guys to lift him up if need be. I've always thought that if you put Chalmers on another mid to top tier team that he would probably be coming off of the bench.

But who knows, only time will tell if he develops. If I were Miami I would be looking for a PG who can delegate more and really bring out the best in Lebron/Wade/Bosh.

Chalmers just kind of hands the ball to LBJ or Wade after he crosses half court and then stands at the top of the key, occasionally getting an open jumper from 3. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Chalmers dramatically improved his finishing ability

remember all of those wide open layups he missed in 2011?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcJUHIvlnIw

alwaysunny
06-28-2012, 12:47 PM
Chalmers dramatically improved his finishing ability

remember all of those wide open layups he missed in 2011?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcJUHIvlnIw

Finishing isn't the issue with him. It's his court vision and timing (and accuracy) with his passes. LeBron didn't scold him the entire playoffs for no reason. Chalmers definitely needs to step up in that regard.

Donnybrook
06-28-2012, 12:49 PM
Chalmers dramatically improved his finishing ability

remember all of those wide open layups he missed in 2011?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcJUHIvlnIw

Yeah, I definitely do. Which is why I made it clear that he probably won't be better, but possibly not worse, than last year, which was his better year to date.

I do agree with you that he became a better finisher.

RRR3
06-28-2012, 12:52 PM
Finishing isn't the issue with him. It's his court vision and timing (and accuracy) with his passes. LeBron didn't scold him the entire playoffs for no reason. Chalmers definitely needs to step up in that regard.
He's actually pretty good at bounce passes. It's lobs he's awful at that's what drives lbj crazy

Peteballa
06-28-2012, 12:53 PM
Mario Motha****in Chalmers, Motha****a!

RRR3
06-28-2012, 12:54 PM
Mario Motha****in Chalmers, Motha****a!
:pimp::bowdown:

LikeABosh
06-28-2012, 12:55 PM
He's actually pretty good at bounce passes. It's lobs he's awful at that's what drives lbj crazy

He also has no idea how to throw a good entry pass in the post. He's always throwing them at terrible times, and bad angles.

RRR3
06-28-2012, 12:56 PM
He also has no idea how to throw a good entry pass in the post. He's always throwing them at terrible times, and bad angles.
He smokes too much weed :lol

alwaysunny
06-28-2012, 01:04 PM
He's actually pretty good at bounce passes. It's lobs he's awful at that's what drives lbj crazy

Even his bounce passes were mostly behind from what I saw. Examples are the 1st play and 2:10 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGvgkwOcuIY&feature=plcp

He's lucky LeBron has such good hands because you know Bosh won't be catching any of them, although that probably isn't saying much since he has worse hands than Braylon Edwards.

RRR3
06-28-2012, 01:06 PM
Even his bounce passes were mostly behind from what I saw. Examples are the 1st play and 2:10 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGvgkwOcuIY&feature=plcp

He's lucky LeBron has such good hands because you know Bosh won't be catching any of them, although that probably isn't saying much since he has worse hands than Braylon Edwards.
I've watched chalmers all year. I've seem him play over 100 times the past year.

GaryRaymond23
06-28-2012, 01:50 PM
Chalmers is a horrible PG IMO .. you put him on a team that doesn't have a Lebron/Wade and he would be severely exposed. I would take about 30 PG's over him to be completely honest .. top 15 is an absolute joke.

Kingwillball
06-28-2012, 01:55 PM
Chamers Will Never be on Rondo's Level cause he has a different skillset and frankly is not as Good. However he can score and Play his DFisher Role but for him to truly be an above average Player he will NEED to improve his passing and Court Vision which quite Frankly for a PG is Subpar.

DuMa
06-28-2012, 01:55 PM
rondo and fisher comparisons are horrible. just horrible. rio will always be judged for how he can hit the open shot to keep the spacing respectable. everything else is just gravy. he doesnt have a lot of pressure to succeed in that miami starting PG role.

lilgodfather1
06-28-2012, 02:04 PM
I wish Chalmers all the best. Seems like he is in a great situation for him to succeed with the big two + Wade.

tmacattack33
06-28-2012, 02:16 PM
Prob like Fisher. But thats not a bad thing at all, because young D Fish was pretty good.

Hank
06-28-2012, 02:22 PM
every offseason chalmers works on a part of his game and improves greatly at that one aspect.

we saw his immense improvement in 2011 after what he worked on in the summer of 2010

Then, in the summer of 2011 he worked on driving to the basket and 'FINISHING' .. Us heat fans were very frustrated with Chalmers for his lack of finish at the basket. He used to drive us crazy. But this year he was superb at it, and oftentimes we were confused thinking that was Wade who just drove and made that very nice finish at the rim, just to discover it was chalmers that made the beautiful play.

He still needs to improve in other areas of the game, and it will be interesting to see his evolution

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StateOfMind12
06-28-2012, 02:25 PM
A slightly more athletic version of Fisher which isn't bad at all especially for the Heat because they need their PG to be more of a shooter/scorer than a passer/facilitator anyways.

I think Cole will end up being better than him though.

PickernRoller
06-28-2012, 02:25 PM
D-Fish had a great career and despite being outshined by other PG's of his era he was very consistent in what he brought to the team. The intangibles - like performing in the clutch, high pressure moments, healthy +++++. That's something those who were "miles better" usually lacked. So, there is no shame in being compared to Fish at all. Chalmers is a solid PG to fill that starter spot to a team looking for a championship type of piece lacking the ability to get any of top point guards. As long as he's healthy and consistent in what he brings he has a solid future in the league.

Tenchi Ryu
06-28-2012, 02:27 PM
As if being another Derek Fisher is a bad thing considering the career he's had.

IGotACoolStory
06-28-2012, 02:28 PM
He wishes he is going to have Fisher's career

Bigsmoke
09-28-2014, 06:10 PM
We will find out next year