Zeller to Cleveland for 24th, 33rd,34th

[iDunk]

Steal for Mavs. That's a shitload of picks.

[CelticBaller]

damn CLE got a nice late pick

[IGOTGAME]

Cavs GM is incompetent...

[DStebb716]

How about a link?....

[Qwyjibo]

Steal only if the Mavs use those picks in a different trade.

I'd rather have quality over quantity. Late 1st rounders and early 2nd rounders aren't worth much.

[iDunk]

Watch Mavs get Perry Jones, Sullinger, & Teague. That'd be dirty.

[GOBB]

All that for Tyler friggin Zeller?

[AK47DR91]

Official according to ESPN

[niko]

Steal only if the Mavs use those picks in a different trade.

I'd rather have quality over quantity. Late 1st rounders and early 2nd rounders aren't worth much.
i disagree in this draft. its top heavy and then a big pile of people all around the same. You can get decent players with these picks.

[lilgodfather1]

Cleveland just so much fail that surrounds that franchise.

[Qwyjibo]

i disagree in this draft. its top heavy and then a big pile of people all around the same. You can get decent players with these picks.
I did speak a bit soon. I meant it as a general statement. It does depend on who the Mavs get in those picks.

[niko]

I did speak a bit soon. I meant it as a general statement. It does depend on who the Mavs get in those picks.
i think they still think they are in the running for deron whcih will require cleaning cap space and a lot of low salary guys or slotted guys.

[Qwyjibo]

I just think picks in the 20's are generally useless. Early 2nd rounders have good value though since the contracts aren't guaranteed. Very little risk to swinging for the fences with those kind of picks.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Right now I don't like it just because of who was available at 24. However, if he performs then it'll be nice having a new big Z.

[boozehound]

Steal only if the Mavs use those picks in a different trade.

I'd rather have quality over quantity. Late 1st rounders and early 2nd rounders aren't worth much.
meh, considering the players they got I would rather bet on a chance that one of them (I think jae) will do something in the nba than zeller will be anything but a 8 minute a night sub. Definitely a good trade by dallas, since the draft was deep but pretty even IMO. Shocked they got that much for a ****ing late teen pick. cavs FO is stupid.

[Al Thornton]

azubuike is part of the trade

[LockoutOver11]

azubuike is part of the trade

that makes it even worse for the mavs... i dont like this.

dont care tho if kidd doesn't resign.

[lilgodfather1]

Well at least the Cavs got a player back as well. Wondered why they overpaid so much.

[LBJMVP]

came home from work saw the two players we drafted and am so pissed off i'm about to cry.


what a f*cking fail of a draft.

dion f*ckin waiters and f*cking tyler zeller?


i annticpated this shit so long and we f*cked it up.

[GOBB]

came home from work saw the two players we drafted and am so pissed off i'm about to cry.


what a f*cking fail of a draft.

dion f*ckin waiters and f*cking tyler zeller?


i annticpated this shit so long and we f*cked it up.

And when they produce and are quality players you'll be arguing with others who dont like them. :rolleyes:

Get real, Cavs came away with 2 good prospects. Dion Waiters will work well with Kyrie Irving. And Tyler Zeller is solid big in the middle. Andy V isnt getting any younger.

Just off youth...

Irving
Waiters
Gee
Thompson
Zeller

That is good. Develop, grow and continue rebuilding. Cavs had one of the best drafts tonight.

[LBJMVP]

And when they produce and are quality players you'll be arguing with others who dont like them. :rolleyes:

Get real, Cavs came away with 2 good prospects. Dion Waiters will work well with Kyrie Irving. And Tyler Zeller is solid big in the middle. Andy V isnt getting any younger.

Just off youth...

Irving
Waiters
Gee
Thompson
Zeller

That is good. Develop, grow and continue rebuilding. Cavs had one of the best drafts tonight.


we could have had drummond, perry jones, quincy miller and doron lamb!

we could had beal and and quincy miller!

barnes, perry jones, doron lamb!!!!


tyler zeller??? what the f*ck man.

[RedBlackAttack]

we could have had drummond, perry jones, quincy miller and doron lamb!

we could had beal and and quincy miller!

barnes, perry jones, doron lamb!!!!


tyler zeller??? what the f*ck man.
Name guys aren't always the way to go. There is a reason PJ3 dropped almost completely out of the first round. The Cavs weren't the only team to pass on him more than once. Same goes for Quincy Miller and Doron Lamb.

We couldn't have had Beal... Not sure where that is coming from. Who knows what we would have to lose to get him.

We'll see what kind of talent Waiters is. I honestly don't know enough about him to declare this an awful choice. The two guys I really wanted in this draft after Davis were Beal and MKG. Obviously, the opportunity to get one of them just wasn't there.

Barnes has never impressed me.

As for the Zeller trade, I thought it was a good one. Everyone knew full well we weren't bringing 3-4 rookies into camp. Trading 33 and 34 to move up several slots from 24? I can certainly live with that.

Zeller was the ACC Player of the Year and has a nice all-around game.

Don't have a problem at all with this trade. Waiters? We'll see. He better pan out, because Grant's future with the franchise is going to depend on him developing into a No. 2 piece on a good team.

[LBJMVP]

Name guys aren't always the way to go. There is a reason PJ3 dropped almost completely out of the first round. The Cavs weren't the only team to pass on him more than once. Same goes for Quincy Miller and Doron Lamb.

We couldn't have had Beal... Not sure where that is coming from. Who knows what we would have to lose to get him.

We'll see what kind of talent Waiters is. I honestly don't know enough about him to declare this an awful choice. The two guys I really wanted in this draft after Davis were Beal and MKG. Obviously, the opportunity to get one of them just wasn't there.

Barnes has never impressed me.

As for the Zeller trade, I thought it was a good one. Everyone knew full well we weren't bringing 3-4 rookies into camp. Trading 33 and 34 to move up several slots from 24? I can certainly live with that.

Zeller was the ACC Player of the Year and has a nice all-around game.

Don't have a problem at all with this trade. Waiters? We'll see. He better pan out, because Grant's future with the franchise is going to depend on him developing into a No. 2 piece on a good team.


wrong comment to quote....

this was my initial recation when i got home from work.
go look for another thread about dion waiters.

still don't know about zeller

[boozehound]

wrong comment to quote....

this was my initial recation when i got home from work.
go look for another thread about dion waiters.

still don't know about zeller
zeller is solid. a decent athlete (look at his combine) and a relatively smart player. still, when you are betting 3 to 1, even with the lower draft positions I am not sold.

[RedBlackAttack]

wrong comment to quote....

this was my initial recation when i got home from work.
go look for another thread about dion waiters.

still don't know about zeller
I'm much more OK with the Zeller pick for what we gave up for him than the Waiters pick, to be totally honest. Not to say that Waiters won't pan out, but I just didn't think that Grant would reach like that at No. 4 two years in a row. Then again, there was a lot of hype around Waiters as the draft approached. He seemed to be moving up on everyone's board and I don't think he would have lasted too much longer had we passed on him.

What was Zeller? 17th pick? So, you give up 33 and 34 to move up seven places and go from a mid-20s pick to a mid-teens pick? I actually liked that. And, Zeller can play. I certainly prefer him to any of the guys the Mavs took with those three picks. I believe that Zeller will be a better player than any of those guys and that is all I need.

You knew damn well we weren't going to bring in four rookies. That was going to happen one way or the other.

[chips93]

We couldn't have had Beal... Not sure where that is coming from. Who knows what we would have to lose to get him.

reports were that charlotte wanted us to take back tyrus thomas, and we balked

if thats the case, then id be very annoyed

[RedBlackAttack]

zeller is solid. a decent athlete (look at his combine) and a relatively smart player. still, when you are betting 3 to 1, even with the lower draft positions I am not sold.
Cavs had already drafted one player by that point. They weren't going to bring in four rookies. At most, we were going to bring in three new guys. I'm honestly fine with the Zeller deal. I preferred it to just staying at 24, 33 and 34. Waiters is the pick that I'm not sold on. His character issues scare me.

[RedBlackAttack]

reports were that charlotte wanted us to take back tyrus thomas, and we balked

if thats the case, then id be very annoyed
Reports leading up to the draft weren't very good... So, I'd question that reporters, all of a sudden, have a solid source within either camp. Almost all reporters had Charlotte taking Robinson if they stayed at 2. I don't think I saw a single mock draft leading up to this thing that had MKG going No. 2. Seems to me like no one had any idea what was going on in this thing. After they picked MKG, Charlotte said that there was never anything close to a deal with Cleveland.

And, anyway, we need to see how these guys pan out before we call this Waiters pick a bad one... I try not to get too high or too low on draft night. Waiters looks like a beast getting to the rack and he averaged three steals a game last year. If he and Kyrie can work well together and the Cavs front office did their due diligence in making sure his character issues were unfounded, I will be interesting to see how he turns out.

He was high on just about everyone's board, though. Let's not pretend as if this pick came out of nowhere. He has been flying up boards for a reason. Guy seems to have crazy potential.

[boozehound]

seeing that they get bukake in the trade as well (a great UK player from the hayes years), it actually makes a lot more sense. zeller is clearly a tier above any of the 3 guys they traded, simply by being a decent center and kelenna is a solid wing defender and team player. I like the trade more as I look at the players taken. I am intrigued by clam crowder and there are several players still on the boards at 24 and 33-34 who I think will make good pros (but werent taken). Sideshow has always been best as a hustle 4 imo and zeller is a solid 5 prospect. I was actually hoping the pistons would take him (or leonard) over henson at 9. Didnt come down to it, but hes an underrated player (which is partially due to him being white and partially due to him being a senior). Seriously, look at the combine #s for centers without the names and you would never think his #s are his.

[LBJMVP]

I'm much more OK with the Zeller pick for what we gave up for him than the Waiters pick, to be totally honest. Not to say that Waiters won't pan out, but I just didn't think that Grant would reach like that at No. 4 two years in a row. Then again, there was a lot of hype around Waiters as the draft approached. He seemed to be moving up on everyone's board and I don't think he would have lasted too much longer had we passed on him.

What was Zeller? 17th pick? So, you give up 33 and 34 to move up seven places and go from a mid-20s pick to a mid-teens pick? I actually liked that. And, Zeller can play. I certainly prefer him to any of the guys the Mavs took with those three picks. I believe that Zeller will be a better player than any of those guys and that is all I need.

You knew damn well we weren't going to bring in four rookies. That was going to happen one way or the other.


i knew we were gonna trade, and after my initial reaction i started to calm down and think about it and i really like the waiters pick.

and knowing that zeller is a true 7 footer with a pretty good shot and can take contact down below and score i'm starting to like it more.

defintely a better pick than fab melo...and most likely a top 2-3 maybe even the best.

if drummond and meyers leonard both bust.

is henson considered a center? it says power forward but i dont know.

i believer zeller will be better than hansborough though. so we will see.

[chips93]

regarding the character issues, grant said that they did more background research on waiters than on any prospect before.

[boozehound]

i knew we were gonna trade, and after my initial reaction i started to calm down and think about it and i really like the waiters pick.

and knowing that zeller is a true 7 footer with a pretty good shot and can take contact down below and score i'm starting to like it more.

defintely a better pick than fab melo...and most likely a top 2-3 maybe even the best.

if drummond and meyers leonard both bust.

is henson considered a center? it says power forward but i dont know.

i believer zeller will be better than hansborough though. so we will see.
henson is in no way a 5. dude is in the same weight class as tay prince. zeller was a solid pick. leonard and drummond will probably both turn out better, but thats a big if.

[LBJMVP]

regarding the character issues, grant said that they did more background research on waiters than on any prospect before.


yeah i looked into that, but it seems most of that was from his freshman year...

that is why waiters said "he came in a boy and left a man."

"A number of NBA scouts who I really respect have been telling me for more than a month that the real sleeper in this draft is Syracuse sophomore Dion Waiters," wrote ESPN.com's Chad Ford, who predicts Waiters will be taken with the eighth pick. "One GM went even further. 'There are really only two potential superstars in this draft. One is a sure thing

[LBJMVP]

henson is in no way a 5. dude is in the same weight class as tay prince. zeller was a solid pick. leonard and drummond will probably both turn out better, but thats a big if.


i always thought henson was like 6'11

[boozehound]

i always thought henson was like 6'11
hes 6'9"without shoes (always a dumb stat). but hes also 215 and seems to have one of those skinny frames. Hell, KG is close to 250 and looks skinny as shit.

[RedBlackAttack]

I look at it like this...

The NBA is not the NFL. It doesn't mean that you got the better end of the deal if you get three mediocre players instead of one solid player. Obviously, we will have to see how these guys all pan out before we call this trade a win or a loss, but since I would rather have Zeller than anyone that was left on the board at 24, it was a good trade to me. That is without getting into the additional assets that Boozehound has noted.

In the NFL, quantity over quality is sometimes the way to go, because you have 22 starters in a single game and guys constantly coming and going on and off the field. You are better off being very solid from 1-53 on your roster (like New England always is) than having a couple of superstars and not much else.

The NBA is the absolute opposite. Good players win games.... And I do think Zeller will be a nice 5. It isn't like we are in the David Robinson, Dream, Ewing, Shaq era when there were a lot of elite centers. In today's game, if you have a pretty good center, it is usually better than whatever your opponent is trotting out there in the middle.... Lots of 4s posing as 5s. It is nice to have a legitimate young big man on the roster.

I will also note that, according to the Cavs, Zeller was in their Top 10 in this draft. That isn't a huge stretch, either, because as the college basketball tournament was happening, Zeller was projected to be a middle lottery pick. His stock slipped for whatever reason during the combine/workout portion of the offseason, but I will happily take him at 17 under these circumstances.


Hey.... I'm not off the wall excited right now, because I had my heart set on one of Beal or MKG, but it wasn't in the cards to get one of those guys. Michael Jordan really f#cked us by going against what literally everyone was projecting and picking MKG at No. 2. The moment his name was announced, I knew that Waiters was probably going to be the choice.

Pretty obvious that the Cavs, like me, were not high at all on Harrison Barnes... And the risk outweighed the reward on Drummond.

We had to take what was the best upside option with the least amount of "bust potential" and that was Waiters.


I'm OK with this draft. The things that really upset me -- not getting MKG or Beal -- were not something that we could control. Under the circumstances, I can live with Waiters/Zeller.

[LBJMVP]

I look at it like this...

The NBA is not the NFL. It doesn't mean that you got the better end of the deal if you get three mediocre players instead of one solid player. Obviously, we will have to see how these guys all pan out before we call this trade a win or a loss, but since I would rather have Zeller than anyone that was left on the board at 24, it was a good trade to me. That is without getting into the additional assets that Boozehound has noted.

In the NFL, quantity over quality is sometimes the way to go, because you have 22 starters in a single game and guys constantly coming and going on and off the field. You are better off being very solid from 1-53 on your roster (like New England always is) than having a couple of superstars and not much else.

The NBA is the absolute opposite. Good players win games.... And I do think Zeller will be a nice 5. It isn't like we are in the David Robinson, Dream, Ewing, Shaq era when there were a lot of elite centers. In today's game, if you have a pretty good center, it is usually better than whatever your opponent is trotting out there in the middle.... Lots of 4s posing as 5s. It is nice to have a legitimate young big man on the roster.

I will also note that, according to the Cavs, Zeller was in their Top 10 in this draft. That isn't a huge stretch, either, because as the college basketball tournament was happening, Zeller was projected to be a middle lottery pick. His stock slipped for whatever reason during the combine/workout portion of the offseason, but I will happily take him at 17 under these circumstances.


Hey.... I'm not off the wall excited right now, because I had my heart set on one of Beal or MKG, but it wasn't in the cards to get one of those guys. Michael Jordan really f#cked us by going against what literally everyone was projecting and picking MKG at No. 2. The moment his name was announced, I knew that Waiters was probably going to be the choice.

Pretty obvious that the Cavs, like me, were not high at all on Harrison Barnes... And the risk outweighed the reward on Drummond.

We had to take what was the best upside option with the least amount of "bust potential" and that was Waiters.


I'm OK with this draft. The things that really upset me -- not getting MKG or Beal -- were not something that we could control. Under the circumstances, I can live with Waiters/Zeller.

we do have a really good frontcourt now.

thompson could be very good.

varajoe is the most underrated PF in the NBA in my opinion and now we have legit 7 footer that will allow the other two players i named to play their true posistions.

i also had an inkling it was gonna be waiters the moment the MKG's name was called. very surprsing pick by charlotte in my opinion... i knew we weren't taking t-rob so it was either barnes or waiters.

still think that drummond could be a little better than deandre jordan.

take a look at the stats from the kansas vs UNC tournament game.

robinson didnt exactly murder zeller.

6 more points and 3 more rebounds but zeller had 4 more blocks. plus throw in the fact that zeller didnt have their starting point guard and the little white kid was getting killed out there and zeller maybe outplays him.

zeller now has a great point guard to and a great slasher to help get him the ball.

kyrie irving
dion waiters
alonzo gee
tristan thompson
tyler zeller

average age = 22 year's old!!!

young and full of of potential.
people underrating alonzo gee

11//5 in second season in the nba + throw in that he is an awesome defender!

[Snoop_Cat]

Why are people so low on Zeller. He's incredibly skilled, is fairly athletic for a big guy, can run the floor, is a solid defender and a good rebounder. He's not going to be a dominant post presence by any means but he's established andhas a high floor. A knack on him is that he's a bit stubby and doesn't have the IT facotr but at this point in the draft, you're looking for guys to fill a role.

NBA is all about quality, not quantity as someone said. Zeller's already a better player than Thompson. This whole drafting on potential thing is incredibly overrated, especially when you have established superstars. With Zeller, you know what you got, with the chance of improving. Guys like Drummond with no foundation are exremely likely to be complete busts. Sometimes it's just smarter to play a bit conservatively.

Guarantee that he will be better than Leonard.

[RedBlackAttack]

i also had an inkling it was gonna be waiters the moment the MKG's name was called. very surprsing pick by charlotte in my opinion... i knew we weren't taking t-rob so it was either barnes or waiters.


I said to my brother the moment that the pick was made by Charlotte that we were going to end up with Waiters. Cavs were never high on Barnes. That was all a smokescreen. Waiters was always the fall-back plan if those two were off the board, imo.

I'm pretty surprised the Bobcats went with MKG. I would have loved him on our team, but we already have our future superstar in place. MKG is an elite complimentary piece, but going No. 2 to a team with nothing, he will be expected to be a franchise player and I don't think that is the kind of player he is.

As much as I love MKG, I don't like that pick for Charlotte. They may be even worse next year than they were this past season... and they were arguably the worst team ever.

[LBJMVP]

Why are people so low on Zeller. He's incredibly skilled, is fairly athletic for a big guy, can run the floor, is a solid defender and a good rebounder. He's not going to be a dominant post presence by any means but he's established andhas a high floor. A knack on him is that he's a bit stubby and doesn't have the IT facotr but at this point in the draft, you're looking for guys to fill a role.

NBA is all about quality, not quantity as someone said. Zeller's already a better player than Thompson. This whole drafting on potential thing is incredibly overrated, especially when you have established superstars. With Zeller, you know what you got, with the chance of improving. Guys like Drummond with no foundation are exremely likely to be complete busts. Sometimes it's just smarter to play a bit conservatively.

Guarantee that he will be better than Leonard.

if zeller can put up zydrunas number than i will extremely pleased! (15/8)

[RedBlackAttack]

Why are people so low on Zeller.
I don't get it either. In the 7-10 range that he was mocked at during the college basketball season? Maybe that would have been a reach. At 17? And really giving up just 33 and 34 to acquire him? I'll take that every day of the week.

Good trade for the Cavs.

[Snoop_Cat]

I don't get it either. In the 7-10 range that he was mocked at during the college basketball season? Maybe that would have been a reach. At 17? And really giving up just 33 and 34 to acquire him? I'll take that every day of the week.

Good trade for the Cavs.

Agreed. People are making it seem like Dallas totally ripped off Cleveland. It was a damn good trade for the Cavs. What the hell is the point of a "talented" guy if he can't produce. Even without the health problems, i wouldnMt have been surprised if a guy like PJones plummetted. All the talent in the world doesn't mean anything if you have zero heart, work ethic, and drive.