Beal vs Waiters

[LBJMVP]

Beal : 14/6/2 0.8 blocks/1.4 steals 43% shooting 34% from three

Waiters: 13/2/3 0.3 blocks/1.8 steals 48% shooting 36% from three


Beal played 34 minutes a game.... waiters played 24.


so beal scores three more points, grabs four more rebounds, and 1 less assists but plays 10 more minutes a game????

waiters scores much more efficiently as well?

beal draws comparisons to eric gordon.... waiters draws comparison to young dwayne wade???


boheiem says the only person that can guard waiters one on one in the nba is russell westrbrook.


im startin to like this pick more and more

[chips93]

there were concerns about his attitude, but he seems to have put them behind him, while beal is about a high character guy as there is

[dbk123]

beal played out of position almost the entire season and is a freshman u fukin idiot

[Meticode]

Like I said, we'll see. Beal playes a more prototypical shooting guard role to go with Kyrie. I liked how Beal's game differed from Irving's. Waiters likes to go to the basket. It'll be interesting to see how Irving and Waiters go together since they both have similar styles of play in that regard.

[Meticode]

beal played out of position almost the entire season and is a freshman u fukin idiot
True. Waiters did play off the bench as well.

[LBJMVP]

beal played out of position almost the entire season and is a freshman u fukin idiot


so what? that doesn't make him a better shooting then waiters?

waiters improved in every aspect of the game expcept free throw shooting this season. and put up similar stats to beal playing 10 minutes less and being a sixth man...

how does beal playing out of position help your case? if he played in his posistion he would have had less rebounds (which is one of the things people are going crazy over him about.

[chips93]

and like all syracuse players, he will have to adjust to playing man defense

[The Macho Man]

http://www.truthaboutit.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/beal_with_it-226x300.gif

[LBJMVP]

Like I said, we'll see. Beal playes a more prototypical shooting guard role to go with Kyrie. I liked how Beal's game differed from Irving's. Waiters likes to go to the basket. It'll be interesting to see how Irving and Waiters go together since they both have similar styles of play in that regard.


yah, but you dont want to take a spot up shooter wit the fourth pick if you expecting big things from this team. it nice to have a guy like that off the bench, but if we are trying to get a championship then you need a guy whos can drive, shoot, defend, and control the ball if kyrie is out.

can't complain about a guy who is getting comparisons to a young dwayne wade though.

[chips93]

yah, but you dont want to take a spot up shooter wit the fourth pick if you expecting big things from this team. it nice to have a guy like that off the bench, but if we are trying to get a championship then you need a guy whos can drive, shoot, defend, and control the ball if kyrie is out.

can't complain about a guy who is getting comparisons to a young dwayne wade though.

man you've done complete 180 on this guy in the space of like an hour!?

i wish i was as optimistic

at this point, i just dont know. im not upset, im just reserved to the fact that we wont know for while, whether it was the right move

we can spend the summer predicting, but its all in vain

[LBJMVP]

man you've done complete 180 on this guy in the space of like an hour!?

i wish i was as optimistic

at this point, i just dont know. im not upset, im just reserved to the fact that we wont know for while, whether it was the right move

we can spend the summer predicting, but its all in vain


i know... like i said, after spending everyday since the end up the regular season thing we were getting beal, barnes, MKG, Drummond i come home to see dion waiter so i was in initial shock because i never really watched the guy...

but then i watch some highlights listen to some interviews, check out some stats/comparisons

and it shocked me to see that he is the same size as beal, played 10 minutes less and scores only three points less per game on much higher efficienty/averaged more assist/ and steals.

im not to concerend about the rebounds since beal was obviously gonna get more playing out of position.

alot of people hail him as one of the only players that can be more than an above average nba starter... and alot of GM's said he has true superstar potential.

plus has a great defensive rating.

[Fiasco]

The cognitive dissonance among Cavaliers fans is ****ing astounding.

[AlonzoGOAT]

I guess once you loose greatness you can be happy with any kind of POS. props to the OP :applause:


Zeller was good tho

[KembaWalker]

http://i.imgur.com/WAZVD.gif :coleman:

[LBJMVP]

I guess once you loose greatness you can be happy with any kind of POS. props to the OP :applause:


Zeller was good tho


seriously... waiters was actually the taller college player, shot better, better defended, went to the hoop better shot threes betters.

[The Macho Man]

seriously... waiters was actually the taller college player, shot better, better defended, went to the hoop better shot threes betters.

Beal the taller pro doe

[LBJMVP]

Beal the taller pro doe


how do you know?

didnt waiters skip the measurement?

unless he didnt grow the slightest bit sit the beginning of the college basketball season then yes, beal is taller.

[PleezeBelieve]

Think you ill because you brag about Beal
But my n*gga Swag the real, Real Deal

Swag!

[Da KO King]

I like Waiters better. Beal has no handle and will not get to the rack damn near ever.

[The Macho Man]

Think you ill because you brag about Beal
But my n*gga Swag the real, Real Deal

Swag!

Don't do em like that J

[KyrieTheFuture]

I currently attend Cuse and watched every single one of his games closely (him, Fab and Rakeem Christmas as they are our best prospects) and he may have come off the bench but he was by far our best player. Unprecedented penetration ability, fairly quick defender, decent J but he can NOT fall in love with it if he wants to be great. The reason he didnt start was due to seniority and that's how coach likes to do it. Same reason Dion almost left after his freshman year. He was good enough to start but his role/age made him a 6th man.

[RedBlackAttack]

I currently attend Cuse and watched every single one of his games closely (him, Fab and Rakeem Christmas as they are our best prospects) and he may have come off the bench but he was by far our best player. Unprecedented penetration ability, fairly quick defender, decent J but he can NOT fall in love with it if he wants to be great. The reason he didnt start was due to seniority and that's how coach likes to do it. Same reason Dion almost left after his freshman year. He was good enough to start but his role/age made him a 6th man.
The only thing that bothers me about the above statement is that I vividly remember underclassmen starting for him in the past, so I have to wonder if there wasn't something else with Waiters that led him to come off the bench as opposed to starting... And I'm not talking anything about his on-court talent.

Being totally forthcoming, I am a bit worried about him in the locker room and off the court. Butting heads with coaches at Syracuse isn't exactly the ideal kind of player that you want at No. 4. Literally all of my current concerns are off the court, though, because I've seen enough of him on it to warrant this pick being made.

The good news is that he will learn under the strictness of Byron Scott. That can go one of two ways... Either very good or very bad. The other good thing is the team that surrounds him. It isn't like he is going to Sacramento where there are concerns with the mental makeup of the players...

In Cleveland, he is going to be sharing the spotlight with Kyrie, Tristan, Varejao, Zeller and Gee... All extremely high character players.

Maybe being in a culture like that is exactly what Dion needs? I hope so...


Btw, Chad Ford gave us an A- for our draft. Pretty favorable analysis...


CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | GRADE: A-
Round 1: Dion Waiters (4), Tyler Zeller (17, from Mavs)

Round 2: None

Analysis: For the second straight year, the Cavs took a player at No. 4 who was ranked in the late teens on our Big Board in May. Like Tristan Thompson last year, Waiters had a meteoric rise the last month of the season. Unlike Thompson, his rise happened without ever doing a workout or interview with the Cavs. The Suns shut down Waiters early in the draft process, but it only seemed to start a Waiters feeding frenzy for teams ahead of them.

Waiters is the most dynamic scorer in the draft -- his ability to get to the basket is truly special -- and a handful of GMs felt that after Davis, MKG and Beal, he was the guy in this draft with the most star potential. He has NBA skill and, together with Kyrie Irving, should create a dynamic backcourt in Cleveland. Some will say taking Waiters at No. 4 was a bold pick, but I think it was a smart one with both MKG and Beal off the board. People said the same thing a few years ago when the Thunder took both Russell Westbrook and James Harden higher than expected.

I'm more agnostic about the Zeller pick. He's not going to be a great NBA center, but he runs the floor well and can play right away. At No. 17, you can't really ask for more than that.

[KyrieTheFuture]

The only thing that bothers me about the above statement is that I vividly remember underclassmen starting for him in the past, so I have to wonder if there wasn't something else with Waiters that led him to come off the bench as opposed to starting... And I'm not talking anything about his on-court talent.

Being totally forthcoming, I am a bit worried about him in the locker room and off the court. Butting heads with coaches at Syracuse isn't exactly the ideal kind of player that you want at No. 4. Literally all of my current concerns are off the court, though, because I've seen enough of him on it to warrant this pick being made.

The good news is that he will learn under the strictness of Byron Scott. That can go one of two ways... Either very good or very bad. The other good thing is the team that surrounds him. It isn't like he is going to Sacramento where there are concerns with the mental makeup of the players...

In Cleveland, he is going to be sharing the spotlight with Kyrie, Tristan, Varejao, Zeller and Gee... All extremely high character players.

Maybe being in a culture like that is exactly what Dion needs? I hope so...


Btw, Chad Ford gave us an A- for our draft. Pretty favorable analysis...

It wouldn't matter how good he was, Scoop was starting no matter what and Triche was a better pure shooter he just fit in a little better with the starting unit. Also, Waiters was perfectly fine this year in terms of character issues and he's well aware of his needed maturity at the next level. I wish we had more of a veteran guard to reel him in sometimes if he ever gets out of hand. But Byron Scott is a good guard's coach so we'll see. I have a good feeling about the pick.

[RedBlackAttack]

It wouldn't matter how good he was, Scoop was starting no matter what and Triche was a better pure shooter he just fit in a little better with the starting unit. Also, Waiters was perfectly fine this year in terms of character issues and he's well aware of his needed maturity at the next level. I wish we had more of a veteran guard to reel him in sometimes if he ever gets out of hand. But Byron Scott is a good guard's coach so we'll see. I have a good feeling about the pick.
Boobie Gibson has been around the block. I also expect us to pick up a couple of veteran players between now and the start of the season. The current roster is just a little too young/inexperienced. They are going to need the steady hand and guidance from respected professionals.

Anthony Parker and Antawn Jamison did a great job of that last year. I'm sure we will get some vets in here to replace them.

[GOBB]

seriously... waiters was actually the taller college player, shot better, better defended, went to the hoop better shot threes betters.

You didnt see either player in college. Why are you typing like you did? Did you know what Beal did the last 12gms of his college career? Go check those stats. How many lottery picks have there been where the player came off the bench? Marvin Williams comes to mind.

Note, I'm not here to say Beal > Waiters. I like the Waiters pick, but why am I reading your posts like you think you have a clue. All this he was better this, that and the third. And the fact of the matter is you didnt see either play much in college last season. You need to slow down. I know you're a Cavs fan but dont go around being a fake fanboy of a player.

Other Cavs fans like Meticode, chips, RBA speak arent doing that. Take notes.

[Fiasco]

GOBB might not be saying Beal > Waiters, but I am.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

[KyrieTheFuture]

In no way shape or form was Waiters ever a better shooter than Beal. Beal however can only get into the paint utilizing a pump. Once people figure that out he'll be slightly easier to defend. I hope Dion does everything in his power to try to work with Wade in the off season somehow. Perfect player to model after minus the B-atch attitude but Waiters is a real tough guy so he won't be a punk like wade in terms of flopping (hopefully)

[Da KO King]

GOBB might not be saying Beal > Waiters, but I am.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
What exactly are you basing it on? I just don't see how you can make the argument that Beal is better.

[RedBlackAttack]

GOBB might not be saying Beal > Waiters, but I am.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
I liked Beal a lot. The one thing that worries me most about Waiters is a non-issue with Beal... Character/Attitude issues.

Don't get me wrong... Waiters may get here and be an exemplary citizen and teammate. I don't want anyone to think I'm casting stones at the guy for no reason.

But, he did have run-ins with the coaching staff during his freshman year. The poster above (KyrieTheFuture) seems to know more about his situation at Syracuse and doesn't seem too concerned with any off court issues with Waiters, so maybe I shouldn't either.

But still, Beal gave maybe the best, most genuine, intelligent radio interview I have ever heard from an athlete that young a few weeks ago on Cleveland sports radio.


As for their games, I think there is much less of a gap if there is any gap at all. Beal has an unquestionably better jumpshot (regardless of what the statistics say) and Waiters is unquestionably the better slasher.

Waiters has an adequate jumper that looks like it has the potential to get better and Beal is an adequate slasher.

Defensively, I think both guys have the potential of being disruptive with their nice respective wingspans and quick feet.

Beal is a tenacious rebounder. Clearly ahead of Waiters in this area from what I've seen.


So, right now, I would give the edge to Beal as a prospect and he is the guy (along with MKG) that I was hoping for coming into the draft. However, I don't think the gap is huge and I also believe that, if Waiters improves as a jumpshooter, he may have a higher ceiling than Beal... Because his first step is explosive and I'm not sure if that is something you can teach.

We'll see how it plays out.

[Da KO King]

I liked Beal a lot..... and Beal is an adequate slasher.
There is nothing adequate about Beal as a slasher. He will struggle to beat NBA defender's off the bounce with any regularity; what's worse is Beal has no in-between game.

Like any young player there is room for development but Beal is the wrong player going to the wrong situation (the Wizards).

[KyrieTheFuture]

As Waiters stated post-draft he was a top 15 recruit and everything had been handed to him all his life. He "never had to work for anything" he has repeatedly stated the Boeheim teaching him how to work to be great had a huge effect on him. He has said all his coach headbutting was a result of believing he deserved more because he was immature. He entered syracuse a boy and left a man. Or at least that's his favorite signing off phrase for interviews.

[NuggetsFan]

As Waiters stated post-draft he was a top 15 recruit and everything had been handed to him all his life.

Really? I didn't think he was that highly touted of a prospect coming outta high school. I'm not positive but didn't think he was ranked in the top 15 going into college. Pretty sure Rivals had him near 30 :confusedshrug:

Not that he wasn't a 5 star prospect but clearly didn't have everything handed to him or didn't have to work.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Really? I didn't think he was that highly touted of a prospect coming outta high school. I'm not positive but didn't think he was ranked in the top 15 going into college. Pretty sure Rivals had him near 30 :confusedshrug:

Not that he wasn't a 5 star prospect but clearly didn't have everything handed to him or didn't have to work.

Well idk he said top 15 in his interview so that's what I used I didn't follow college until this year because I've always preferred the Pros so I'll have to check what his ranking was.

Edit: 15 on ESPN 29 on Rivals

[Da KO King]

Really? I didn't think he was that highly touted of a prospect coming outta high school. I'm not positive but didn't think he was ranked in the top 15 going into college. Pretty sure Rivals had him near 30 :confusedshrug:

Not that he wasn't a 5 star prospect but clearly didn't have everything handed to him or didn't have to work.
Waiters was top 15 pretty much up until his senior year. Waiters committed to Syracuse during his sophomore year. When his senior came and he decided not to reopen his recruitment all of a sudden guys that were not better than him started moving up the board when he just sat there.

As ridiculously tough as his personal life was Waiters has in fact had everything handed to him when it comes to basketball. He didn't play basketball his freshman year in high school but dominated a Syracuse basketball camp and was given a private school scholarship.

[NuggetsFan]

Waiters was top 15 pretty much up until his senior year. Waiters committed to Syracuse during his sophomore year. When his senior came and he decided not to reopen his recruitment all of a sudden guys that were not better than him started moving up the board when he just sat there.

As ridiculously tough as his personal life was Waiters has in fact had everything handed to him when it comes to basketball. He didn't play basketball his freshman year in high school but dominated a Syracuse basketball camp and was given a private school scholarship.

Good to know. I honestly didn't know just whatever I read his final year he seemed ranked outside the top 15 in most places. Didn't strike me as everything came easy.

[PleezeBelieve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVm57uNFwfw&feature=youtube_gdata_player


This alone exceeds anything I've seen from Beal on tape. Tremendous change of direction skills with ability to pull up from anywhere. He can go both directions seamlessly and has a buttery smooth stroke off the bounce and in catch and shoot situations.

[cavsfanatic]

I was estatic with the pick after Beal and MKG were gone. Waiters reminds me of Monta more than Wade though. He get's to the rack whenever he wants

[rknine15]

Beal >> Waiters

sry cavs fans we got your guy

[LBJMVP]

You didnt see either player in college. Why are you typing like you did? Did you know what Beal did the last 12gms of his college career? Go check those stats. How many lottery picks have there been where the player came off the bench? Marvin Williams comes to mind.

Note, I'm not here to say Beal > Waiters. I like the Waiters pick, but why am I reading your posts like you think you have a clue. All this he was better this, that and the third. And the fact of the matter is you didnt see either play much in college last season. You need to slow down. I know you're a Cavs fan but dont go around being a fake fanboy of a player.

Other Cavs fans like Meticode, chips, RBA speak arent doing that. Take notes.


how are you gonna say i didnt see either player?

i live in the south were SEC sports is everthing... televised everything.

i watched beal alot, and also saw him choke against louisville :D


can't say i saw that many syracuse game, but i did see some.
seen tons of highlights and like what i see.

gets to the hole way better than beal, has a deadly step back.

good ball handling good three point shooting... im just saying that alot of hype was over beal's rebounding well i can deal without having a rebounding shooting guard.

[LBJMVP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPWOJrXJeqg

Reporter " Do you believe your the best guard in your estimate in the tournament?" Waiters "Yeah" Reporter "Now I said the best guard" Waiters "Yeah" Reporter " then whos second?" Waiters "Whoever"

[StateOfMind12]

Waiters will be better than Barnes but not Beal.

I was actually alright with the pick the Cavs made. I wanted the Cavs to avoid Barnes and they did.

The biggest skeptical of Waiters is how he wasn't even a starter in College and the last star lottery drafted bench player in College (i.e. last one to come to mind) was Marvin Williams who is clearly a bust. Williams is a decent role player though but he surely was not worth a lottery pick.

[raprap]

Wall/Beal vs Irving/Waiters :applause:

Waiters will have a good career, saw some of his games. Very explosive slasher and his motor is amazing. I can see him as a borderline allstar. Beal will help the wizards in making the playoffs this coming season.
:rockon:

[raprap]

Waiters will be better than Barnes but not Beal.

I was actually alright with the pick the Cavs made. I wanted the Cavs to avoid Barnes and they did.

The biggest skeptical of Waiters is how he wasn't even a starter in College and the last star lottery drafted bench player in College (i.e. last one to come to mind) was Marvin Williams who is clearly a bust. Williams is a decent role player though but he surely was not worth a lottery pick.
Waiters was playing starter minutes though. He played about 28 a game? Correct me if I'm wrong. 28 is decent. I think Waiters' game will translate better in the NBA.

[LBJMVP]

Waiters was playing starter minutes though. He played about 28 a game? Correct me if I'm wrong. 28 is decent. I think Waiters' game will translate better in the NBA.


only played 24 minutes a game.

[DurantFor40]

I wouldnt trade harden for BOTH Beal and Waiters. thats what I think of these two scrubs. This was truly a weak draft. Anthony Davis was the main attraction? LOL have fun with Mr Davis averaging 8 points, 1 block, and 5 rebounds a game for his career. :facepalm

[Meticode]

Waiters was playing starter minutes though. He played about 28 a game? Correct me if I'm wrong. 28 is decent. I think Waiters' game will translate better in the NBA.
24 a game.

[Meticode]

I wouldnt trade harden for BOTH Beal and Waiters. thats what I think of these two scrubs. This was truly a weak draft. Anthony Davis was the main attraction? LOL have fun with Mr Davis averaging 8 points, 1 block, and 5 rebounds a game for his career. :facepalm
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[DurantFor40]

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:facepalm I know basketball buddy. Don't think you're superior because you've been here longer you punk ass bitch.

[Meticode]

:facepalm I know basketball buddy. Don't think you're superior because you've been here longer you punk ass bitch.
:roll:

[raprap]

24 a game.


Thanks. He still has the potential to be the best sg in this draft. My boy Brad Beal will be better though :cheers:

[Meticode]

Thanks. He still has the potential to be the best sg in this draft. My boy Brad Beal will be better though :cheers:
We'll see. I would've taken Beal first as well if i had to choose, but it doesn't mean it'll pane out better. Too many variables come into play in a player's development.

[RazorBaLade]

Beal : 14/6/2 0.8 blocks/1.4 steals 43% shooting 34% from three

Waiters: 13/2/3 0.3 blocks/1.8 steals 48% shooting 36% from three


Beal played 34 minutes a game.... waiters played 24.


so beal scores three more points, grabs four more rebounds, and 1 less assists but plays 10 more minutes a game????

waiters scores much more efficiently as well?

beal draws comparisons to eric gordon.... waiters draws comparison to young dwayne wade???


boheiem says the only person that can guard waiters one on one in the nba is russell westrbrook.


im startin to like this pick more and more

How does college ball work? The guy the lakers drafted with the 55th pick has better stats than both these guys doesn't he?

[raprap]

We'll see. I would've taken Beal first as well if i had to choose, but it doesn't mean it'll pane out better. Too many variables come into play in a player's development.

Agree. I hope both of them pan out. The league can use some new blood at the 2.

[cavsfanatic]

Most ppl on this board thought Kyrie was gonna be a average player so how bout we just wait and see. I think Beal will be better at some things and Waiters will be better than some things. A lot of people said the same thing when Westbrook was drafted at 4 by Seattle. who laughing now?

[LBJMVP]

How does college ball work? The guy the lakers drafted with the 55th pick has better stats than both these guys doesn't he?


you and me both know its about potential and some of it depends against competition...

damian lilliard goes number 1 if he plays at kentucky and averages those same stats.

[KyrieTheFuture]

My feelings about this pick would have been skeptical if beal was available but he wasn't. From the available players I'm pretty happy. It's risky but I like it.

[veilside23]

i dont get it why people kinda overrates waiters... i mean both are good.. i think waiters game not going to be better like wade's career... not saying that beal will be better than wade.. am just saying upside wise beal has that factor over waiters.

i still give beal the nod over waiters why? wait and see...

[RazorBaLade]

you and me both know its about potential and some of it depends against competition...

damian lilliard goes number 1 if he plays at kentucky and averages those same stats.

why do the teams matter?

[StateOfMind12]

why do the teams matter?
Different coaches, different players to work with, different competition, more or less exposure depending on the school/team, etc.

It's the same reason why different NBA teams matter.

[chosen_one6]

why do the teams matter?

No question the competition Kentucky had to play was much better than Weber States competition. Also, one is in the national spotlight. The other, not so much.

[RazorBaLade]

Different coaches, different players to work with, different competition, more or less exposure depending on the school/team, etc.

It's the same reason why different NBA teams matter.

I'm hard pressed to think of a player in same position that has worse stats on a certain team has more trade value than better stats on a different team in NBA. I can't think of anyone. It might be opposite, where someones value is higher because of the system, but a person with WORSE stats being valued higher? I can't name any, can you? Someone with less stats from same position that is valued more.

[LBJMVP]

in the college game i can probly name hundreds of players with worse stats that are better players.

just go look at damian lilliard compared to derrick rose or any other of the leauge best point guards.

[RedBlackAttack]

only played 24 minutes a game.
If you look at Syracuse's roster last year, only one player averaged over 26 minutes per game (forward Kris Joseph).

They had a very deep backcourt and Waiters actually averaged more minutes per game than the guy that they had starting ahead of him at the 2 (Brandon Triche). Waiters also finished the games.

The more research I do, the less I care about his minutes per game.

[Da KO King]

I'm still waiting to read/see an argument as to why Beal is better that has anything to do with on the court skills.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm still waiting to read/see an argument as to why Beal is better that has anything to do with on the court skills.
I think it just comes down to perception. Beal has been touted as a Top 3 player in this draft since the last few weeks of the college basketball season. Thus, people watched Florida games with the specific purpose of seeing what kind of game he had. Since he played probably his best ball of the season during that tournament, people were (rightly) impressed.

There was still some trepidation due to a fear about his size, but when the combine showed he was a shade under 6-5, everyone seemed to go all-in on him.

Waiters, on the other hand, wasn't a big-name for casual college basketball fans last season. The masses weren't watching Syracuse games with that same "potential Top 3 player in the draft" kind of eyes for Waiters.

Looking back, I wish I had paid more attention to him.

Trust me... I hope you are 100-percent right and I'm starting to get really excited about seeing the Irving/Waiters backcourt.

But, to answer your question... It seems like sort of a perception thing more than anything else. There is little doubt that Waiters was the best slashing guard in this draft and that means a hell of a lot in the NBA.

[IGOTGAME]

I'm starting to come along on Waiters...i was just shocked on draft night. It could end up being a solid pick.

[Da KO King]

I think it just comes down to perception...

But, to answer your question... It seems like sort of a perception thing more than anything else. There is little doubt that Waiters was the best slashing guard in this draft and that means a hell of a lot in the NBA.
Pretty much exactly what I was getting across. No one can make a valid "Beal > Waiters" argument that has anything to do with basketball ability.

Beal has no handle, is very basic in his ability to play off the ball, has no "in-between" game, and can't shoot off the dribble. Why people act like those flaws from a SG don't matter is beyond me.

[JMT]

Neither is destined to be anything but serviceable pro.

[Jailblazers7]

I see more Randy Foye in Waiters than I see D-Wade.

[IGOTGAME]

I see more Randy Foye in Waiters than I see D-Wade.

Foye is a good deal smaller than Waiters. That is the big difference I see. But, I also don't think he is anything near DWade either.

[RedBlackAttack]

Foye is a good deal smaller than Waiters. That is the big difference I see. But, I also don't think he is anything near DWade either.
The comparisons to Wade come from Dion's explosive first step and ability to finish around the basket. That and a similar kind of build.

That said, I pretty much agree... Wade has a freakish 6-11 wingspan.

On the other hand, Dion Waiters is also a much longer/bigger player than Foye. He's taller, has a longer winspan/reach and is bigger.

I'd say that Waiters is a pretty unique prospect. I can't really think of a good comparison from what I've seen on film. He doesn't really have a glaring weakness to his game. Excellent at driving to the basket, nice handle, good jumpshot (could use improvement, but good), good defender, nice overall size...

Very nice all-around prospect.

[chips93]

The comparisons to Wade come from Dion's explosive first step and ability to finish around the basket. That and a similar kind of build.

That said, I pretty much agree... Wade has a freakish 6-11 wingspan.


chad ford said on the bs report that on some metrics (i dont have a clue how they are calculated) waiters closest comparison was marquette dwyane wade, so there is something to the comparison

[LBJMVP]

everyone has been talking about not seeing an article that stats the reason beal is better than waiter have made a great point.


on the other hand i do have an article that states why waiters is better than beal.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1242444-cleveland-cavaliers-made-correct-draft-choice-in-dion-waiters

[GOBB]

Bal - Ray Allen, Waiters - D.Wade. Oh brother! :facepalm


How does college ball work? The guy the lakers drafted with the 55th pick has better stats than both these guys doesn't he?

Huh? You cant be serious with such a question.

[PleezeBelieve]

GOBB might not be saying Beal > Waiters, but I am.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
Fail

[PleezeBelieve]

Think you ill because you brag about Beal
But my n*gga Swag the real, Real Deal

Swag!
Excellence

[irondarts]

Beal demoted to the bench for all time chucker Jordan Crawford.

Wonder how long it'll last.