T-Wolves want Gasol for Williams

[04mzwach]

The whitest team in the league could get whiter. :bowdown: :lol

Anyway, I don't like the move in the long run exactly. It quickly makes us a top team in the West though. I don't know who they plan on throwing in with Williams exactly. :confusedshrug:

[RedBlackAttack]

Source?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Twolves will find a way to blow it.

[flipogb]

yeah its being talked about in all the Laker forums

I watched a lot of TWolves games last year and I really want Williams,
I just think his skills and age fit so well next to Bynum .

[sagr32]

It is on RG. But it was reported that the T Wolves were trying to trade Williams for the #2 pick which the Lakers wanted for MKG. I don't think the Lakers want Williams.

[Rekindled]

yeah you dont trade someone who was the best player on a championship team for a guy that averaged 8 points last year

[WockaVodka]

I have high doubts the trade will be straight up.

[04mzwach]

Source?
ISH broke it, but I can't find an actual article. It's on ESPN's homepage for the Timberwolves and it's in the headlines of the main page of ISH.

[ZenMaster]

yeah you dont trade someone who was the best player on a championship team for a guy that averaged 8 points last year

"a guy that averaged 8 points last year"

Talk about black and white...

[04mzwach]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/story/2012-06-29/Pau-Gasol-Timberwolves-trade-lakers/55917028/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomSports-TopStories+%28Sports+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=ESPN


There's the story for you. I can't imagine getting a whole lot for Gasol down the road. Giving up on Williams could be a mistake and he'd probably play a great 6th man role for the Lakers if he doesn't start.

[AMISTILLILL]

I wouldn't be shocked if neither Bynum nor Gasol got dealt this summer at this point.

[SpecialQue]

They better be throwing in Pek. Otherwise, I hate this trade.

[IGOTGAME]

I want no part of Derrick Williams. Guy is not good and isn't that talented.

[FireDavidKahn]

They better be throwing in Pek. Otherwise, I hate this trade.
:oldlol:

Ok.:oldlol:

[NOHCP3]

Wasn't there a report about Williams being offered to the cats(:lol)

Why is Minny so ready to ship him out? Especially of they don't retain Super Cool Beas

[Droid101]

You want Gasol? Give me Pek too. Maybe a future first as well (top 3 protected because I'm nice).

1 for 1 doesn't make sense.

[SpecialQue]

:oldlol:

Ok.:oldlol:

I'm high on Pek, but my post wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Aside from Rubio and Love, there's no one on the T-Wolves that I'd want them to deal Pau for.

[GOBB]

Gasol in Minny? Minny gets over.

[04mzwach]

Gasol in Minny? Minny gets over.
No doubt, the time would be right now to go for the 'ship if the Wolves get Gasol.

[Chrono90]

You want Gasol? Give me Pek too. Maybe a future first as well (top 3 protected because I'm nice).

1 for 1 doesn't make sense.
yup

[SpecialQue]

Gasol in Minny = instant playoffs. I just don't see how a team with Gasol, Rubio and Love don't get in. Hell, they were almost there last season before Rubio got injured.

[04mzwach]

You want Gasol? Give me Pek too. Maybe a future first as well (top 3 protected because I'm nice).

1 for 1 doesn't make sense.
Serious post?

[flipogb]

Williams plus Pekovic or Williams + Barea and Beasley

[04mzwach]

Gasol in Minny = instant playoffs. I just don't see how a team with Gasol, Rubio and Love don't get in. Hell, they were almost there last season before Rubio got injured.
Gasol would be an upgrade for us in the paint on defense too. We'd have Love/Gasol. That's a hell of a post threat, plus they both can pass and shoot great. Then Gasol gets extra rest whenever he wants because Pek is coming off the bench with buckets. We'd have the highest scoring post offense in the league. :bowdown:

[SpecialQue]

Williams plus Pekovic or Williams + Barea and Beasley

Barea and Bynum on the same team?

http://p.twimg.com/ApsJO8kCEAA3jIq.jpg

[SpecialQue]

Gasol would be an upgrade for us in the paint on defense too. We'd have Love/Gasol. That's a hell of a post threat, plus they both can pass and shoot great. Then Gasol gets extra rest whenever he wants because Pek is coming off the bench with buckets. We'd have the highest scoring post offense in the league. :bowdown:

Exactly. Plus him and Rubio are tight. I don't know if they'd get to the WCF, but they'd be one hell of a team.

[FireDavidKahn]

I'm sorry but this trade is never going to happen and I highly suspect that it was some beat writer from L.A who is leaking this rumor.

Gasol has a trade kicker that will up his salary to 20 million each of the next 2 years. Gasol is 32 now. There is no way Kahn is going to trade Williams, let alone Pek + other stuff, for Pau giving these other huge negative factors. The Lakers are not going to be able to ship off junk to reload again.

[Raz]

Exactly. Plus him and Rubio are tight. I don't know if they'd get to the WCF, but they'd be one hell of a team.

On the Spanish team, I always thought Gasol was holding Rubio back from running the show. Gasol works best when he is a high post facilitator. I don't actually like his fit with Rubio, I'd much rather the Timberwolves go out and trade for an athletic center that can play defense.

[flipogb]

Barea and Bynum on the same team?


Odom is gonna be on the Clippers, pretty sure he hates Griffin's guts.

but yeah l be honest i forgot about that whole thing,lol

[Rainwound]

Pretty sure the lakers could get a lot better for Gasol.

[flipogb]

Pretty sure the lakers could get a lot better for Gasol.
really depends on what the Wolves throw in

[ZenMaster]

I'm sorry but this trade is never going to happen and I highly suspect that it was some beat writer from L.A who is leaking this rumor.

Gasol has a trade kicker that will up his salary to 20 million each of the next 2 years. Gasol is 32 now. There is no way Kahn is going to trade Williams, let alone Pek + other stuff, for Pau giving these other huge negative factors. The Lakers are not going to be able to ship off junk to reload again.

Actually it makes perfect sense, Minny with Gasol/Pek/Love for 2 positions could make them one of the best teams in the west next year.

Gasol brings championship experience and leadership, he fits well in the system, is still a good player, his contract would end about the time Rubio needs a new one.

[Crown&Coke]

Wasn't there a report about Williams being offered to the cats(:lol)

Why is Minny so ready to ship him out? Especially of they don't retain Super Cool Beas

The Lakers were the ones that wanted the #2 pick. So instead of Williams going to LA for Pau, it would have been the #2 overall + whatever Kahn thew in

[RazorBaLade]

I just want SOMETHING to happen because I'm tired of rooting for the same shit. Its the same crap every year and its gonna happen again. I just want something new.

But williams? And who? Beasley? Beasley and williams? I dunno man.

[Droid101]

Seriously, I don't get it. If we are trading Gasol, we need Williams and then some. I'd take Chase Budinger, Luke Ridnour, Pek, and a 2016 first rounder (the season AFTER Gasol's contract is up), or any combination of the above. But not just Williams and Wes Johnson or some nonsense. :lol

[AMISTILLILL]

The writing for Gasol to Minny has been on the walls for sometime now. It's only natural that it finally happens. Both teams, especially the Lakers, will breathe a sigh of relief once the Gasol situation is settled.

[flipogb]

I just want SOMETHING to happen because I'm tired of rooting for the same shit. Its the same crap every year and its gonna happen again. I just want something new.

But williams? And who? Beasley? Beasley and williams? I dunno man.
this x 10000000

those two + a PG and crappy picks ,sounds alright to me

[FireDavidKahn]

Actually it makes perfect sense, Minny with Gasol/Pek/Love for 2 positions could make them one of the best teams in the west next year.

Gasol brings championship experience and leadership, he fits well in the system, is still a good player, his contract would end about the time Rubio needs a new one.
Oh I don't doubt it would make us a better team right now. That is undeniable. But we where winning at something like a .600 clip when Love-Rubio-Pek were all in the starting line up. Having Gasol would be awesome.

But I don't think people on this forum understand Kahn at all. There is no chance he will give up anymore then a maximum of Williams and even then he would have to be forced by Taylor to take on that contract. He is deathly afraid of adding salary which is really annoying.

I don't like Williams at all but even rational Lakers fans cannot think that Pau for Williams/Pek/Budinger/2016 Minny first is even remotely fair. That is ludicrous. Considering the new luxury tax ramifications the Lakers have a heck of a lot less leverage if they want to trade Pau.

[Droid101]

I don't like Williams at all but even rational Lakers fans cannot think that Pau for Williams/Pek/Budinger/2016 Minny first is even remotely fair. That is ludicrous. Considering the new luxury tax ramifications the Lakers have a heck of a lot less leverage if they want to trade Pau.
The Lakers have plenty of leverage. A motivated Pau could put several teams over the top, and everyone knows it.

[FireMcFailPlease]

You want Gasol? Give me Pek too. Maybe a future first as well (top 3 protected because I'm nice).

1 for 1 doesn't make sense.
i wouldnt trade you pek for gasol straight up. take your future first and shove it up your ass

[Droid101]

i wouldnt trade you pek for gasol straight up. take your future first and shove it up your ass
:confusedshrug:

K, keep your current roster. Lakers have other suitors.

[SpecialQue]

i wouldnt trade you pek for gasol straight up. take your future first and shove it up your ass

:kobe:

[50inchvertical]

Williams sucks :oldlol: Pau disappears and underperforms a lot, but at least he is good.

[ZenMaster]

Oh I don't doubt it would make us a better team right now. That is undeniable. But we where winning at something like a .600 clip when Love-Rubio-Pek were all in the starting line up. Having Gasol would be awesome.

But I don't think people on this forum understand Kahn at all. There is no chance he will give up anymore then a maximum of Williams and even then he would have to be forced by Taylor to take on that contract. He is deathly afraid of adding salary which is really annoying.

I don't like Williams at all but even rational Lakers fans cannot think that Pau for Williams/Pek/Budinger/2016 Minny first is even remotely fair. That is ludicrous. Considering the new luxury tax ramifications the Lakers have a heck of a lot less leverage if they want to trade Pau.

Don't you think Kahn is afraid of adding salary only up until a certain point?
I mean at some point you're going to have to shell out dollars if you want a good team, this is the move that makes Minny a good team at least for the remainder of Gasol's contract(he could then possibly be resigned cheaper).

I'm all with you about the trade not happening(or at least shouldn't) if Pek is also involved. The idea for minny would be to get 3 good/great players for the two inside positions.

Maybe Williams, Beasley and a future 1st round pick or something like that, or just Williams and Beasley.

[FireDavidKahn]

Don't you think Kahn is afraid of adding salary only up until a certain point?
I mean at some point you're going to have to shell out dollars if you want a good team, this is the move that makes Minny a good team at least for the remainder of Gasol's contract(he could then possibly be resigned cheaper).

I'm all with you about the trade not happening(or at least shouldn't) if Pek is also involved. The idea for minny would be to get 3 good/great players for the two inside positions.

Maybe Williams, Beasley and a future 1st round pick or something like that, or just Williams and Beasley.
Have you checked out my username? Kahn blows.

[ZenMaster]

Have you checked out my username? Kahn blows.


He's getting better IMO.

[G-Funk]

Wasn't there a report about Williams being offered to the cats(:lol)

Why is Minny so ready to ship him out? Especially of they don't retain Super Cool Beas


Yes they wanted the 2nd pick so they can use it to get Gasol.

[franchise#3]

Do it Mitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[G-Funk]

this x 10000000

those two + a PG and crappy picks ,sounds alright to me


hell nah, Lakers can get Beasley without even giving up Gasol, with a Jordan Hill/Beasley swap.

[PickernRoller]

Source?

T-Wolves being pushing for that deal for ages. Fvck them, ain't taking that crap...

[Robster89]

It would have to be something along the lines Williams, Beasley (in a S&T),
one of the PG's (Ridnour or Barea), Budinger and picks.
Plus perhaps taking a contract the Lakers would like to dump, like MWP or Blake. For Minny it's a given. For the Lakers it helps address the 3 areas of weakness (PG, SF and bench) and adds a 4 to replace Pau (and one who's game would fit well with Bynum, on paper at least). It also could help the financials a bit. Moving Blake would free up money to resign Sessions, and a Sessions with Ridnour/Barea combo would be a step up for the Lakers at PG. Budinger/Beas help at the 3 and the bench.

Pek wouldn't make sense. Can't play the same time as Bynum plus I doubt Minny wants to move him, he's pretty freaking good.
Still a gamble for the Lakers, as no one really knows for certain about Williams (is he legit or a potential bust?)

I don't think the Lakers would take that chance.

[lakers_forever]

It's funny. Gasol and Bynum are wonderful, the twin towers, when haters want to bash Kobe. But they magically suck in any trade scenario. Make up your minds. :lol


And the Lakers would be stupid to move Gasol for Williams. It would be a gamble and with an aging Kobe, they can't gamble, they need to go after players who can make them contenders again right now. Nothing on the T-Wolves roster besides Love (who obviously has more value than gasol) would do that.

[stallionaire]

Sign and trade Beasley. Package Barea and Williams in there too. We get Gasol and Blake.

[lakers_forever]

Sign and trade Beasley. Package Barea and Williams in there too. We get Gasol and Blake.

No, thanks. Lakers still would not be good enough to win a title.

[ZenMaster]

It's funny. Gasol and Bynum are wonderful, the twin towers, when haters want to bash Kobe. But they magically suck in any trade scenario. Make up your minds. :lol


And the Lakers would be stupid to move Gasol for Williams. It would be a gamble and with an aging Kobe, they can't gamble, they need to go after players who can make them contenders again right now. Nothing on the T-Wolves roster besides Love (who obviously has more value than gasol) would do that.

Hah it's the exact same only opposite when Kobe fans talk about the Laker bigs. They suck when they play and it's their fault, but when they're being traded they're worth oh so much.

[lakers_forever]

Hah it's the exact same only opposite when Kobe fans talk about the Laker bigs. They suck when they play and it's their fault, but when they're being traded they're worth oh so much.

Anyone who say Bynum or/and Gasol suck is stupid. They are clearly very good, all star level players. But they simply don't work together. Both like to play in the post, the team looks terrible when both are on the court on the same time.
Bynum was almost a non factor in both playoffs in 09 and 10. Even when he started with Gasol in 2010, the team clearly worked better when Odom replaced him and Gasol moved to center.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Anyone who say Bynum or/and Gasol suck is stupid. They are clearly very good, all star level players. But they simply don't work together. Both like to play in the post, the team looks terrible when both are on the court on the same time.
Bynum was almost a non factor in both playoffs in 09 and 10. Even when he started with Gasol in 2010, the team clearly worked better when Odom replaced him and Gasol moved to center.

they worked together fine when Kobe was injured

[StroShow4]

Don't do it T-Wolves. Pekovic is young and good.

[ZenMaster]

Anyone who say Bynum or/and Gasol suck is stupid. They are clearly very good, all star level players. But they simply don't work together. Both like to play in the post, the team looks terrible when both are on the court on the same time.
Bynum was almost a non factor in both playoffs in 09 and 10. Even when he started with Gasol in 2010, the team clearly worked better when Odom replaced him and Gasol moved to center.

I'm pretty sure the numbers showed that the Lakers best lineups was with both Gasol and Bynum on the floor.

But that was in the triangle, Gasol is being used horribly by Brown.

[stallionaire]

Don't do it T-Wolves. Pekovic is young and good.
He's untouchable.

[Kobr]

It's funny. Gasol and Bynum are wonderful, the twin towers, when haters want to bash Kobe. But they magically suck in any trade scenario. Make up your minds. :lol

http://i.imgur.com/5aEQ7l.jpg

[BallsOut]

Williams + Beasley + Barea (I'm assuming) ain't enough for Gasol. And lol at all the people who think Williams would be a good 6th man. He was a 6th man in Minnesota, look how that turned out. No thanks for the Lakers, they can get way better than that.

[ZenMaster]

Williams + Beasley + Barea (I'm assuming) ain't enough for Gasol. And lol at all the people who think Williams would be a good 6th man. He was a 6th man in Minnesota, look how that turned out. No thanks for the Lakers, they can get way better than that.

Williams in LA would be a starter, check his numbers as a starter for minny last year...

Oh and the guy only played one fking year in the NBA...

[BallsOut]

Williams in LA would be a starter, check his numbers as a starter for minny last year...

Oh and the guy only played one fking year in the NBA...

I ain't checking all that. The onus is on you, so you post his numbers as a starter with your source. His stats from last season show he's a bust.

The Laker's aren't trading Gasol unless it's for a sure thing.

[SevereUpInHere]

yeah you dont trade someone who was the best player on a championship team for a guy that averaged 8 points last year

:biggums:

[B-Easy8]

I bet 90% of you guys haven't watched Williams play more than 3 or 4 games and are just basing this off his stats. I really hope we don't do this trade. Williams was backing up arguably the best PF in the game last season and when he was given the oppurtunity he produced.

[stallionaire]

I ain't checking all that. The onus is on you, so you post his numbers as a starter with your source. His stats from last season show he's a bust.

The Laker's aren't trading Gasol unless it's for a sure thing.

Derrick will be amazing... He had great flashes last season. If we keep him ill be happy since hes slimming down to play the 3 better. Look at when he dropped 27 on the Clips... That's the type of player he can become.

[stallionaire]

I bet 90% of you guys haven't watched Williams play more than 3 or 4 games and are just basing this off his stats. I really hope we don't do this trade. Williams was backing up arguably the best PF in the game last season and when he was given the oppurtunity he produced.
Lol Lakers fans watching the Wolves. :roll:

[ZenMaster]

I ain't checking all that. The onus is on you, so you post his numbers as a starter with your source. His stats from last season show he's a bust.

The Laker's aren't trading Gasol unless it's for a sure thing.

I honestly don't give a shit if you believe me or not, it's quite clear you haven't watched him play much.

[Robster89]

I ain't checking all that. The onus is on you, so you post his numbers as a starter with your source. His stats from last season show he's a bust.

The Laker's aren't trading Gasol unless it's for a sure thing.

Ultimately, I have no idea if Williams will be great or a bust, but saying he's a bust based on his first year numbers?
He was a back up to KLove, an All Star.
When he came out, everyone knew he was a bit of a project.
Look at Bynum's numbers first year. Was he a bust?
Or Kobe for that matter, I think he averaged like 7 ppg backing up Eddie jones. Williams is very highly regarded around the league.
Jordan seriously considered trading the 2nd pick for him yesterday, before opting to take MKG.

But I think you're right that Gasol is too good to take a chance.

[FireDavidKahn]

I ain't checking all that. The onus is on you, so you post his numbers as a starter with your source. His stats from last season show he's a bust.

The Laker's aren't trading Gasol unless it's for a sure thing.
How the **** is anyone a bust after one year.:biggums: :oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

Sign and trade Beasley. Package Barea and Williams in there too. We get Gasol and Blake.

:lebronamazed: someone actually wants Steve Blake?

[33teeth]

Lakers homers are ridiculous.

Gasol has been great in the past but is only good now... and getting even older. Lakers fans have been complaining about him for years.

Why would a very talented, very young guy be a bad swap for Gasol?

Go ahead. Hang on to what you have for another year or two. I'll enjoy watching you fail to accomplish anything.

:lebroncry:

[longtime lurker]

Lakers homers are ridiculous.

Gasol has been great in the past but is only good now... and getting even older. Lakers fans have been complaining about him for years.

Why would a very talented, very young guy be a bad swap for Gasol?

Go ahead. Hang on to what you have for another year or two. I'll enjoy watching you fail to accomplish anything.

:lebroncry:

Lakers are trying to still compete for championships. Talent alone doesn't win championships.

[takai]

We need a decent PG. Hell, I would probably take it.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Lakers are trying to win NOW. Williams is not ready for the bigtime.
He was crappy on a mediocre team? You think he is ready to be a championship caliber starter all of a sudden? Ha!

[Story Up]

Lakers are trying to win NOW. Williams is not ready for the bigtime.
He was crappy on a mediocre team? You think he is ready to be a championship caliber starter all of a sudden? Ha!
Breaing up Gasol and Bynum, IMO, will instantly make either one of them alot better.

Williams is not enough though!

[LeFraud James]

I wouldn't be shocked if neither Bynum nor Gasol got dealt this summer at this point.

My thoughts exactly.

[Haymaker]

Jim Buss will run that franchise into mediocrity.

[stallionaire]

Lol Lakers are not ready to win. They need to rebuild now.

[LeFraud James]

Lol Lakers are not ready to win. They need to rebuild now.

Call me when the Wolves make it past the first round.

Also, enjoy Rubio and Love while you have them. They're bolting as soon as their contracts are up.

Have fun being mediocre. :cheers:

[D-Rose]

I think they can get a deal like this done if the Lakers can get a third team to take Williams and give the Lakers a more established player instead. In my opinion, Gasol needs to be traded for "parts" which sum will be far greater for the team, I'd rather have a starting point guard and starting power forward along with an established bench player than merely Gasol, and I believe a Scola/Lowry sort of deal would be ideal.

[stallionaire]

Call me when the Wolves make it past the first round.

Also, enjoy Rubio and Love while you have them. They're bolting as soon as their contracts are up.

Have fun being mediocre. :cheers:
:roll:
Just stay tuned for next season. :kobe:

[KeyNote]

Lakers have to just grit these 2 years out..maybe make it to a conference finals, or finals with the right pieces around kobe/bynum/pau...after 2014 all contracts come up and a fresh start is in store..rebuild around bynum, actually hold on to 1st rnd draft picks..hell..if you can get a couple future 1st rounders for pau that's be a good start

but it's going to be difficult to do anything under the new rules and teams tryna not help the lakers as well

[FireDavidKahn]

Call me when the Wolves make it past the first round.

Also, enjoy Rubio and Love while you have them. They're bolting as soon as their contracts are up.

Have fun being mediocre. :cheers:
Coming from the same people who said he would never play for MN.:oldlol:

[rhythmic]

I would trade Gasol for Lowry and Scola, instantly.
LA should have pulled the trigger last off-season; would have gotten Martn too. :facepalm

[FireMcFailPlease]

Call me when the Wolves make it past the first round.

Also, enjoy Rubio and Love while you have them. They're bolting as soon as their contracts are up.

Have fun being mediocre. :cheers:
will do!! thanks for the awesome inside information you have too with people close to kevin love(who just re-signed with minnesota last year) and ricky rubio (who just signed with minnesota last year)

[lakers_forever]

http://i.imgur.com/5aEQ7l.jpg

:lol Exactly

[AlonzoGOAT]

Call me when the Wolves make it past the first round.

Also, enjoy Rubio and Love while you have them. They're bolting as soon as their contracts are up.

Have fun being mediocre. :cheers:
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[longtime lurker]

I think they can get a deal like this done if the Lakers can get a third team to take Williams and give the Lakers a more established player instead. In my opinion, Gasol needs to be traded for "parts" which sum will be far greater for the team, I'd rather have a starting point guard and starting power forward along with an established bench player than merely Gasol, and I believe a Scola/Lowry sort of deal would be ideal.

3 team trade where the Lakers get Iguodala. Lakers need 3 pieces, an athletic SF, a stretch defensive 4 and a bench scoring option. The rest of the roster they can round out with their MLE and vet min.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[Kiddlovesnets]

lol what? The Lakers are going to piss off Kobe Bryant for this trade.
:facepalm

[LakersForlife]

lakers should deal with this.we need gasol out and williams perfect fit

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

lakers should deal with this.we need gasol out and williams perfect fit

what seriously???? use ur brain if u have one