Nets-Hawks discussing Joe Johnson trade

[DStebb716]

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/219239326012280832

Brooklyn and Atlanta are engaged in talks on a possible Joe Johnson trade, sources tell Y! Nets plan would be to pair with Deron Williams.

Woj adds more:
Both Hawks and Nets are engaged in talks on several fronts. No deal close on Johnson, but sides have gone back and forth on possibility.




Houston and Brooklyn were deep in discussions on trade for Luis Scola on Saturday, but talks fell apart before completion, sources tell Y!

Nets-Rockets trade talks surrounding Luis Scola, reported by @WojYahooNBA, "put on hold" by both teams, source says. Still could be revived.

[AMISTILLILL]

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[bagelred]

Wow, you are fast!!! It just hit my twitter, I switch over to ISH and you already had a thread.


The Flash!!!!:cheers:

This could be just a salary dump for Atlanta and maybe a young talent or two.

[Zodiac]

It could work out for both teams, get rid of Joe's huge contract, the Net's owner can afford lux taxes and it would attract other FAs.

While Atlanta could get a young guy like Brooks in return.

[bagelred]

It could work out for both teams, get rid of Joe's huge contract, the Net's owner can afford lux taxes and it would attract other FAs.

While Atlanta could get a young guy like Brooks in return.

Can they fit Deron's, JJ's, and Dwight's contracts all under the cap?

[bigwebb5000]

What do they have to get him :confusedshrug: Lopez maybe in a S&T??

[DStebb716]

Wow, you are fast!!! It just hit my twitter, I switch over to ISH and you already had a thread.


The Flash!!!!:cheers:

This could be just a salary dump for Atlanta and maybe a young talent or two.

:cheers: Finally got a day off tomorrow so I'm parked here on the laptop.

[R.I.P.]

For a TPE or what?

Williams
Johnson
Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

[DStebb716]

I don't want to start a whole new thread for a question that can be answered in one comment, so:

When did rep get back? Love the rep system.

[AMISTILLILL]

You have to imagine MarShon Brooks is involved. Brooklyn doesn't have any other worthwhile pieces, or else you'd have to be taking trade pieces out of a potential trade for Dwight to use on Joe Johnson.

Maybe the report is wrong and it's a trade to team Joe up with Dwight? Maybe Deron to Dallas is starting to take shape..? Who the hell knows.

[Zodiac]

Can they fit Deron's, JJ's, and Dwight's contracts all under the cap?
Maybe, Deron and Dwight would have to take pay-cuts maybe down to 11-13 Mil a year.

Honestly Brooklyn is one of the few places that makes sense for a Joe trade. It would certainly help bring back Deron and it would lure other players.

[AMISTILLILL]

I don't want to start a whole new thread for a question that can be answered in one comment, so:

When did rep get back? Love the rep system.

Showed back up last night, inexplicably.

[eliteballer]

Deron
Joe Johnson
Dwight

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[InspiredLebowski]

Brooks + a s&t'ed Lopez

[Zodiac]

What do they have to get him :confusedshrug: Lopez maybe in a S&T??
At this point it wouldn't be about compensation for Atlanta. It would be about getting Joe's massive contract off the books. Hell just get enough to fit Joe in and give Atlanta maybe one good piece in return like a Brooks and call it a deal.

[magnax1]

Seems stupid to me. They can't get Dwight and JJ can they? I don't think Deron stays just with Joe Johnson honestly. Then on top of that Johnson's contract is insane, and I think he's among the most over rated players in the league anyway.

[DStebb716]

I mean should the Nets even do Brooks and Lopez? That's the only thing that really makes sense and it takes them out of the Dwightstakes unless they plan on signing him next offseason?

[Zodiac]

I mean should the Nets even do Brooks and Lopez? That's the only thing that really makes sense and it takes them out of the Dwightstakes unless they plan on signing him next offseason?
Either way this year a team with Deron and Joe is still a lottery team...who knows they could get a top 3 pick and end up with Noel.

[R.I.P.]

At this point it wouldn't be about compensation for Atlanta. It would be about getting Joe's massive contract off the books. Hell just get enough to fit Joe in and give Atlanta maybe one good piece in return like a Brooks and call it a deal.

That

[iDunk]

LOL, if the Nets give up young talent for that contract.

They should just send Morrow, Petro, Farmar.

[longtime lurker]

Lol the hits just keep coming for the Nets. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Joe Johnson has a franchise crippling contract. If they can't Dwight or Deron to resign then just trade him to a team of his choice and get some form of assets back.

[InspiredLebowski]

Lol the hits just keep coming for the Nets. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Joe Johnson has a franchise crippling contract. If they can't Dwight or Deron to resign then just trade him to a team of his choice and get some form of assets back.When you get in an argument with someone and they respond with "they get paid to run a team, I think they know better." Just say "Billy King."

[R.I.P.]

LOL, if the Nets give up young talent for that contract.

They should just send Morrow, Petro, Farmar.

That

[AMISTILLILL]

Marshon Brooks could be an All Star in a few seasons. Brooklyn would be foolish to ship him out for that nightmare contract.

[blacknapalm]

:wtf: are nets trying to outdo their g-wallace trade stupidity? they traded a lottery pick for wallace to be a 6 month rental. i still can't get over that one. it definitely ranks as one of the worst recent trades :roll:

[D12"Magic"]

This is stupid. Not a chance this happens. Nets could be looking for Josh Smith.

We need a new GM if he is even considering this.

[nickrinaldi88]

If Deron accepts 5 yrs $100 mill I don't think they can get Dwight. That's $20 million and $22 million under the cap already. Dwight won't fit.

[AMISTILLILL]

This is stupid. Not a chance this happens. Nets could be looking for Josh Smith

Atlanta came out and said they're not interested in entertaining trades related to Smith just yet.

[InspiredLebowski]

Maybe if they got Johnson for like...literally nothing but crap. Then use a Brooks + Lopez + filler package to trade for Dwight. But that's pie in the sky stuff.

[Rekindled]

This is stupid. Not a chance this happens. Nets could be looking for Josh Smith.

We need a new GM if he is even considering this.

not achance? this is the same guy who traded a top pick for a 2 month rental for a 30 year old SF

[TMT]

Why would Brooklyn want to take on JJ's huge contract? :wtf:

[D12"Magic"]

not achance? this is the same guy who traded a top pick for a 2 month rental for a 30 year old SF
Not gonna bother trying to defend that trade, but Deron obviously wants a Vet other than unproven rookies.

[AMISTILLILL]

This is probably in 'exploratory talks' mode right now. Consider it a contingency plan in case Dwight falls through or, even worse, if Deron AND Dwight fall through.

[wang4three]

Brooks + a s&t'ed Lopez

I already dislike Billy King. This will make me hate him.

[D12"Magic"]

Atlanta came out and said they're not interested in entertaining trades related to Smith just yet.

Yeah I doubt they would trade him here anyway

Farmar has opted in to be part of a trade for potentially JJ.

Please no, please Silly King **** off.

[D12"Magic"]

I already dislike Billy King. This will make me hate him.
I rather rebuild around MarShon and Lopez and Draft picks than take on Joe Johnson.

[iDunk]

Can the Nets just send out Farmar, Morrow, Petro, Brooks, etc / picks & take on Smith & Johnson's contracts using their cap space? I can see Ferry doing it just to rid of Johnson's contract.

[kidd2dwill]

please god noo :cry:

[fsvr54]

I'd much rather get rid of Joe Johnson than Smith. Smoove should stay a Hawk for life.

[Raz]

This reeks of desperation. King needs to go.

[R.I.P.]

I wonder when the Mavs make their pitch, whether they just give Deron a map that says Billy King

[D12"Magic"]

[QUOTE]Marshon S. Brooks ‏@Marshon2
It

[J-Futuristic]

Don't give a shit who we get in return, just get that contract out of here.

[WeGetRing2012]

Sign & Trade Lopez & Marshon for Joe Johnson????? Well that definitely takes them out the running for Dwight and Deron won't resign to play with Johnson & Wallace.

[WeGetRing2012]

Maybe, Deron and Dwight would have to take pay-cuts maybe down to 11-13 Mil a year.

Honestly Brooklyn is one of the few places that makes sense for a Joe trade. It would certainly help bring back Deron and it would lure other players.

They can't fit all off them under the new CBA. And to get Dwight this year they have to trade for him. This is not good news for Nets fans...

And Deron & Dwight would NEVER take a pay cut like that while Johnson is maxed out.

[R.I.P.]

Don't give a shit who we get in return, just get that contract out of here.

I

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

:cheers: Finally got a day off tomorrow so I'm parked here on the laptop.

haha good job :bowdown:

[blacknapalm]

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[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]I

[InspiredLebowski]

If this really happens, there's seriously no such thing as an "untradeable contract." Not as long as Billy King has a job anyway.

[D12"Magic"]

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Didnt know the Hawks had a PG like Deron

[LA_Showtime]

Joe Johnson and two first round picks for cap space? ... Atlanta STILL wins.

[InspiredLebowski]

Didnt know the Hawks had a PG like DeronNot like it's some sure thing the Nets do

[D12"Magic"]

Not like it's some sure thing the Nets do
I dont even see JJ even being traded here if Deron bolts.

[LA_Showtime]

Not like it's some sure thing the Nets do

Why would they do it at all? Johnson's not going to put them over the top. At best he's going to make them a 4 or 5th seed in the East.

[InspiredLebowski]

Why would they do it at all? Johnson's not going to put them over the top. At best he's going to make them a 4 or 5th seed in the East.Because Billy King.

[LA_Showtime]

Because Billy King.

He's got to be one of the most overrated General Managers in the league. He has done nothing to deserve the reputation he has.

[WeGetRing2012]

I don't think Deron has the Lakers off his list. And this could be a decent deal if they also Sign & Trade for Bynum too.

So Lopez & Marshon for Johnson & Teague & future 1st rounders

Teague
Johnson
Wallace
Humpries
Bynum

Is pretty decent for losing Deron

[R.I.P.]

Broussard says Deron Williams personally told him, that he leans toward one team. Same time rumours emerge that Billy King tries to acquire Joe Johnson. Logic dictates Deron leans toward the Mavs.

[InspiredLebowski]

He's got to be one of the most overrated General Managers in the league. He has done nothing to deserve the reputation he has.King's thought of highly by people? I thought everyone knew he was a joke.

[chips93]

He's got to be one of the most overrated General Managers in the league. He has done nothing to deserve the reputation he has.


he has a reputation?

i just hear people ripping him non-stop

cant remember anybody praising in recent months

[blacknapalm]

Broussard says Deron Williams personally told him, that he leans toward one team. Same time rumours emerge that Billy King tries to acquire Joe Johnson. Logic dictates Deron leans toward the Mavs.

deron meets with both teams on monday. we should know a lot more by then

[LA_Showtime]

Broussard says Deron Williams personally told him, that he leans toward one team. Same time rumours emerge that Billy King tries to acquire Joe Johnson. Logic dictates Deron leans toward the Mavs.

"Leans toward one team." Broussard's the NBA's best troll.

[AMISTILLILL]

Broussard says Deron Williams personally told him, that he leans toward one team. Same time rumours emerge that Billy King tries to acquire Joe Johnson. Logic dictates Deron leans toward the Mavs.

Logic dictates Chris Broussard has as much credibility as Lakers_Kobe_Fan when it comes to NBA rumors.

[WeGetRing2012]

The Lakers are going to talk to Deron too why are people acting like we don't exist??? If Deron chooses us the Nets would be more than happy to take back Bynum.

[D12"Magic"]

Woj- It’s doubtful Nets GM Billy King would make a deal for Johnson without the blessing of Williams and an assurance from Williams that he would re-sign with the Nets

Why even bother to even think about JJ, King?

Also give it up already Lakers aren't on Derons mind

[R.I.P.]

Logic dictates Chris Broussard has as much credibility as Lakers_Kobe_Fan when it comes to NBA rumors.

You think he lied about speaking to Williams? That

[R.I.P.]

Why even bother to even thing about JJ, King?


That

[D12"Magic"]

Did not even hit 12 yet. Im gonna find myself up all night these next days. Memories of the Melo-Drama and Dwightmare :banghead:

Billy is just really desperate to put a winning team together for Brooklyn. Though Desperate can lead to dumb decisions

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]That

[It's A VC3!!!]

Back from my vacation. Boy did I miss a lot.

A Joe Johnson trade is simple and would have been done quickly. The nets are currently attempting a 3 team trade to obtain Josh smith too because apparently he is on the block as well. Atlanta just wants to get rid of Joe and I believe the proposed trade for that would be
Farmar, morrow and a pick. That's too much for me personally as a nets fan. I do believe that when I wake up tomorrow Joe will be a net. Billy king is desperate in having Dwill sign although idk how a 30 year old cap killer convinces him.

[Zodiac]

I don't think Deron has the Lakers off his list. And this could be a decent deal if they also Sign & Trade for Bynum too.

So Lopez & Marshon for Johnson & Teague & future 1st rounders

Teague
Johnson
Wallace
Humpries
Bynum

Is pretty decent for losing Deron
Lol Teague isn't going anywhere

[R.I.P.]

Proposed deal

Farmar
Petro
Morrow
Free Agent of Hawks choosing

for

Joe Johnson

Would leave the Nets around $20-22m of capspace with only three players under contract.

[WeGetRing2012]

Back from my vacation. Boy did I miss a lot.

A Joe Johnson trade is simple and would have been done quickly. The nets are currently attempting a 3 team trade to obtain Josh smith too because apparently he is on the block as well. Atlanta just wants to get rid of Joe and I believe the proposed trade for that would be
Farmar, morrow and a pick. That's too much for me personally as a nets fan. I do believe that when I wake up tomorrow Joe will be a net. Billy king is desperate in having Dwill sign although idk how a 30 year old cap killer convinces him.

So you think you guys are getting Josh Smith & Johnson?????? With what assets? :lol

Farmar and Morrow don't come close to enough money for Johnson.

:lol :lol :lol

this is a bad post...

[DStebb716]

Back from my vacation. Boy did I miss a lot.

A Joe Johnson trade is simple and would have been done quickly. The nets are currently attempting a 3 team trade to obtain Josh smith too because apparently he is on the block as well. Atlanta just wants to get rid of Joe and I believe the proposed trade for that would be
Farmar, morrow and a pick. That's too much for me personally as a nets fan. I do believe that when I wake up tomorrow Joe will be a net. Billy king is desperate in having Dwill sign although idk how a 30 year old cap killer convinces him.

That's too much? :lol Joe's getting severely underrated, no matter how bad that contract is.

[D12"Magic"]

So you think you guys are getting Josh Smith & Johnson?????? With what assets? :lol

Farmar and Morrow don't come close to enough money for Johnson.

:lol :lol :lol

this is a bad post...
Farmar, Petro, Morrow and A S/T with the choice of Hump or Wallace.

Still would be bad for the Nets to do.

[EricGordon23]

If atlanta can pull this off that would be beast!

[aj242]

That's too much? :lol Joe's getting severely underrated, no matter how bad that contract is.

Love JJ as a player. Hell he help make the Hawks relevant again. However that is a franchise killing contract if your team isn't elite already.

If King doesn't get Howard along with Williams & JJ then his team just became the Hawks! Stuck in the 4 or 5 seed with no shot an ECF let alone an NBA Title!

[niko]

So which is it?
1) (My thinking) Deron is staying, and the Nets are totally for some reason (as they have been doing) going to **** up their cap situation, which will result in Howard staying with a different team he is traded too.

OR

2) They are not sure Deron is staying and are trying to put together an attractive team.

OR

3) Deron is staying, and he's just not being smart about things and asked the Nets to build him a contender now, not realizing Billy King with a mandate to work fast is insane.

The Wallace trade baffled me. This is worse.

[ProfessorMurder]

Farmar, Petro, Morrow and A S/T with the choice of Hump or Wallace.

Still would be bad for the Nets to do.

You can't sign and trade Wallace when he's opting out to leave that shithole of a team. He doesn't want to play on bad teams anymore.

[It's A VC3!!!]

That's too much? :lol Joe's getting severely underrated, no matter how bad that contract is.
It's not too much because the nets cannnot afford to package 3 assets for an aging player who really doesn't make that nets much better. It's obvious that he's not the player who you could ask to come up clutch anymore. Combine that with his large salary and I don't see why the nets would give up 3-4 assets for a non-impact player. You pair him with Dwight and his game becomes easier and more valuable. Then you can deal for him.

[DStebb716]

Hey guys, updated with more Nets news from Woj regarding Luis Scola. Check that.


Houston and Brooklyn were deep in discussions on trade for Luis Scola on Saturday, but talks fell apart before completion, sources tell Y!

[Hotlantadude81]

Oh please Danny! If Danny gets rid of this guy without taking a bad contact he should win GM of the year just for that alone. And no... I'm not joking.

[niko]

It's not too much because the nets cannnot afford to package 3 assets for an aging player who really doesn't make that nets much better. It's obvious that he's not the player who you could ask to come up clutch anymore. Combine that with his large salary and I don't see why the nets would give up 3-4 assets for a non-impact player. You pair him with Dwight and his game becomes easier and more valuable. Then you can deal for him.
It's not too much. It's just cap clogging. Net fan that you are, can you explain to me what they are doing?

[D12"Magic"]

You can't sign and trade Wallace when he's opting out to leave that shithole of a team. He doesn't want to play on bad teams anymore.
Wallace did not Opt out because he necessarily wants out. He can get a bigger contract by opting out.

[Richesly]

@It's A VC3!!!

JJ was arguably the clutchest player last season.

[longtime lurker]

Why are the Nets even entertaining this idea!!! This is madness

[Hotlantadude81]

Love JJ as a player. Hell he help make the Hawks relevant again. However that is a franchise killing contract if your team isn't elite already.

If King doesn't get Howard along with Williams & JJ then his team just became the Hawks! Stuck in the 4 or 5 seed with no shot an ECF let alone an NBA Title!

Some somewhat true. However, The better they got, the less productive he got.

[niko]

Wallace did not Opt out because he necessarily wants out. He can get a bigger contract by opting out.
You know if this trade did not occur and you had that pick (which might have even been better without Wallace and his good play) you'd have a huge edge on getting Dwight.

[Hotlantadude81]

Can they fit Deron's, JJ's, and Dwight's contracts all under the cap?

I can't believe the Nets would do this. Joe is going to be a role player very soon. The dude has stopped hitting the boards and everything now.

[D12"Magic"]

You know if this trade did not occur and you had that pick (which might have even been better without Wallace and his good play) you'd have a huge edge on getting Dwight.
Im not defending the trade. Just stating Wallace did not opt out because oh, this team sucks. The Logical thing for him to do was to opt out. Thus for him potentially getting a bigger contract from BK.

[Sammyp]

If hawks can get rid of Johnson for anything decent, then Ferry should be canonized.

[niko]

Im not defending the trade. Just stating Wallace did not opt out because oh, this team sucks. The Logical thing for him to do was to opt out. Thus for him potentially getting a bigger contract from BK.
Eh, you know when people post things like WALLACE OPTED OUT BECAUSE NETS SUCK they are just trolling. Clearly he wants the cash. Me, i don't like him so much at multiple years at 9 apiece as i did at 1 at 8. You?

[hawkfan]

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/219239326012280832

Brooklyn and Atlanta are engaged in talks on a possible Joe Johnson trade, sources tell Y! Nets plan would be to pair with Deron Williams.

Woj adds more:
Both Hawks and Nets are engaged in talks on several fronts. No deal close on Johnson, but sides have gone back and forth on possibility.




Houston and Brooklyn were deep in discussions on trade for Luis Scola on Saturday, but talks fell apart before completion, sources tell Y!

Brooks, Morrow, Farmar and probably the Nyets would make us take on Petro's expirer.

Good trade for the Hawks. Get rid of Joe.

Another bad move by the Nyets, if it happens. Could have a nucleus of Lopez, Kanter, Favors, Humphries, Brooks, Morrow and Lillard. And lots of cap space to add more young players.

Brooks and Morrow would be two great guys to have around Teague. Morrow and Jenkins - two super shooters. And both young players. Gotta love that.

[niko]

By the way the nets are so much fun to follow in trades, etc. :cheers: If i was a fan i think id be heavily drunk right now and not happy (sure D12netfan is about to go out and get his saturday on soon) but just watching, FASCINATING stuff.

[D12"Magic"]

By the way the nets are so much fun to follow in trades, etc. :cheers: If i was a fan i think id be heavily drunk right now and not happy (sure D12netfan is about to go out and get his saturday on soon) but just watching, FASCINATING stuff.
I survived the Melo Drama and Dwighmare part 1.

Its not even 12 yet and so much shit. Hopefully something good actually comes out of it.

I wont be able to sleep these next couple of days :banghead:

[niko]

I survived the Melo Drama and Dwighmare part 1.

Its not even 12 yet and so much shit. Hopefully something good actually comes out of it.

I wont be able to sleep these next couple of days :banghead:
Go out, get blasted, find a nice girl, bring her home and while she sleeps off the night you can just keep refreshing twitter.

:lol

[hawkfan]

I would love for the Hawks to get rid of Johnson.

But the Nyets aren't the team that it would make sense for.

Now three teams that it would make sense to take on Joe's monster contract are the Wolves, Kings and Rockets, since they can send out some bad contracts in return.

Wolves can send out Milicic, Barea, Wesley Johnson.
The Rockets can send out Martin and someone else.
The Kings can send out Salmons and someone else.

Unless they get Dwight Howard, they are an idiotic team.

Williams-Howard-Johnson - ok, that is a possible championship contender. But absolutely no supporting cast.

[D12"Magic"]

Go out, get blasted, find a nice girl, bring her home and while she sleeps off the night you can just keep refreshing twitter.

:lol
:cheers:
Maybe the last nights having fun. If Deron doesn't re-sign i'd be a sad puppy.

[longtime lurker]

Anytime Billy King wants to make a trade he should propose it on insidehoops to see who's the real winner of it.

[hawkfan]

Anytime Billy King wants to make a trade he should propose it on insidehoops to see who's the real winner of it.

Seriously.
With Otis Smith gone, he's the worst GM out there.
Could have had a nice young core - kind of like a Thunder of the Eastern Conference.

[EnoughSaid]

Is a line up of D-Will, Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace, Luis Scola and Dwight Howard.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

:cheers:
Maybe the last nights having fun. If Deron doesn't re-sign i'd be a sad puppy.

Dude...seriously..fcuk basketball and fcuk nets...and fcuk Deron...go and enjoy your life...to the fullest...

you know what....maybe not deron..but the next superstar will play for nets...its just sports...gotta enjoy life first...

my 2 cents

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Is a line up of D-Will, Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace, Luis Scola and Dwight Howard.

with new cba u cant have it ...unless G wallace signs for vet min and howard takes 10mil/yr

[bluechox2]

nets able to land johnson and dwight in trades, would be crazy, and resign williams

[bagelred]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Nets, Hawks could reach a decision on possible Joe Johnson deal today, sources tell Y! If trade doesn't happen, Nets will push for OJ Mayo.

12m Adrian Wojnarowski Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Rival executives say Atlanta is much more focused on moving Joe Johnson's contract than talking about Josh Smith now.

Wait....so they STILL want JJ with Wallace now on board?

Do they still want Deron? Is JJ a backup plan? They can't afford all these guys.


See what I mean? :biggums:

[R.I.P.]

Quote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Nets, Hawks could reach a decision on possible Joe Johnson deal today, sources tell Y! If trade doesn't happen, Nets will push for OJ Mayo.

12m Adrian Wojnarowski Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Rival executives say Atlanta is much more focused on moving Joe Johnson's contract than talking about Josh Smith now. Wait....so they STILL want JJ with Wallace now on board?

Do they still want Deron? Is JJ a backup plan? They can't afford all these guys.


See what I mean? :biggums:

So their core would be

Deron (17)
JJ (21)
Wallace (10)
Lopez (13)
XXX

They go at the cap with that. Wow.

Of course the Hawks won

[DStebb716]

Wait....so they STILL want JJ with Wallace now on board?

Do they still want Deron? Is JJ a backup plan? They can't afford all these guys.


See what I mean? :biggums:

Maybe they think something like Deron-JJ-Wallace and two frontcourt guys they can add would be a good starting lineup. That might be a playoff team, but it's not a contender.

[R.I.P.]

Maybe they think something like Deron-JJ-Wallace and two frontcourt guys they can add would be a good starting lineup. That might be a playoff team, but it's not a contender.

The Nets whole plan is build around the Magic giving in and accepting a deal for Lopez/Brooks/picks. If they do the Nets win big time, even with the outrageous contracts for Wallace and JJ, if not. Hello new Atlanta Hawks :applause:

[itz reggie]

That would be a waste of cap space. JJ is one of the most overpayed and ovverated players in the league. All they need is Dwill, brooks, wallace, Howard and a decent pf expecting that humphries will be traded.

[D12"Magic"]

Deal could be done today? :facepalm
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[NBA2k-Monster23]

I honestly don't understand this? The Nets are going to sign Gerald Wallace to a 40 million dollar deal. If they trade for Joe Johnson they will lose assets and take his 80 million dollar contract. I'm not saying Joe Johnson is a bad player because he is clearly not but his contract is hella stupid. Also if Deron resigns he will get a 100 million dollar deal. Where does Dwight fit in this tight cap situation? I just can't see it.

[Bosnian Sajo]

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[ZHAKIDD532]

If somehow Dwight ended up on the team after that? Well then...I don't see how that's even possible though.

But just DWill, JJ, and Wallace isn't really anything special. Definitely a playoff team, but not getting past the 2nd round.

[Rekindled]

Thats a pretty decent team right there, and they could still end up trading for Dwight (while keeping Wallace?)

Deron
JJ
Wallace
Humphries
Dwight

Pretty damn good.

how would they then get dwight with deron,jj wallace and humphries on the books.

[LA_Showtime]

Why is OJ Mayo their backup plan? I'd rather pay that guy $8 million a year than take on Johnson's contract.

[LakersForlife]

deron
joe
wallace
???
???howard???
the f:cheers:

[itz reggie]

Nets wont be able to have g.wallace,dwill,howard, and jj on the same team.

[Bosnian Sajo]

They have Lopez bird right, no? If they make the deal a tpe and build it around that, they could still end up resigning Lopez (although going over the cap) and end up making a deal with Orlando for Dwight.

[Story Up]

Honestly, not worth it. Keep Brooks, try to get Howard.
In two years, this team could be deadly if Brooks develops into Kobe lite.

Howard, Humphries, Wallace, Brooks and D-Will.

Just nasty defensive team, nasty rebounding team, Brooks could develop into a legit scorer and D Will will be the facilitator.

All pretty young too.
Nice future, Lopez, young talent and picks will be tough to get Dwight tho.

[Kingwillball]

Nets wont be able to have g.wallace,dwill,howard, and jj on the same team.


Dint Think so Especially Since that is 3 Max Players and another Pretty Hefty Contract as well.

[Kingwillball]

Honestly, not worth it. Keep Brooks, try to get Howard.
In two years, this team could be deadly if Brooks develops into Kobe lite.

Howard, Humphries, Wallace, Brooks and D-Will.

Just nasty defensive team, nasty rebounding team, Brooks could develop into a legit scorer and D Will will be the facilitator.

All pretty young too.
Nice future, Lopez, young talent and picks will be tough to get Dwight tho.


This and Like that Starting Lineup alot..

[broy]

Hawks just looking to unload JJ's huge contract, they will be cool with getting only expirers and TPE.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Hawks just looking to unload JJ's huge contract, they will be cool with getting only expirers and TPE.

cant combine both...has to be either

[I<3NBA]

there's now a runner up for worst GM of this era after Otis.

[fefe]

The Nets proposal is Petro, Farmar, Morrow, Jordan Williams (all 4 expirers) and a 1st rd pick for JJ.
After that, they will still have Lopez, Brooks + picks to offer for Howard.
They can probably work out something with AK47 for the starting PF position.

Williams - Johnson - Wallace - AK47 - Dwight

[niko]

The Nets proposal is Petro, Farmar, Morrow, Jordan Williams (all 4 expirers) and a 1st rd pick for JJ.
After that, they will still have Lopez, Brooks + picks to offer for Howard.
They can probably work out something with AK47 for the starting PF position.

Williams - Johnson - Wallace - AK47 - Dwight
Besides the fact its a shitty deal that orlando rejected before with better picks, the fact the nets will have no leverage, and that Lopez is not yet actually signed, it all works out jjust fine. :lol

[Zodiac]

there's now a runner up for worst GM of this era after Otis.
Billy Knight?

[fefe]

Besides the fact its a shitty deal that orlando rejected before with better picks, the fact the nets will have no leverage, and that Lopez is not yet actually signed, it all works out jjust fine. :lol
Actually the Nets have leverage, since they are the only team where Dwight would sign an extension.
Really, they have way more leverage than ever before, as Dwight is sueing the magic for cheating him into opting in, with Otis promising a draft day trade to the nets on exchange for his opt in, and Orlando canning Gm Smith before he could fulfill his promise.

If the NBAPA wants to defend Howard, the magic will be forced to send him to Brooklyn, and they could get even less in return...

[niko]

Actually the Nets have leverage, since they are the only team where Dwight would sign an extension.
Really, they have way more leverage than ever before, as Dwight is sueing the magic for cheating him into opting in, with Otis promising a draft day trade to the nets on exchange for his opt in, and Orlando canning Gm Smith before he could fulfill his promise.

If the NBAPA wants to defend Howard, the magic will be forced to send him to Brooklyn, and they could get even less in return...
You clearly are either a diehard net fan or howard fan who wants to believe because the thought he'd win a challenge on this is silly.

[hawkfan]

The Nets proposal is Petro, Farmar, Morrow, Jordan Williams (all 4 expirers) and a 1st rd pick for JJ.


Please, for the love of God, Danny Ferry do this trade.
The Hawks would have Morrow and Jenkins to go with Teague.
And there would still be a lot of cap space for the Hawks to go after a young free agent or make a trade for someone.

[fefe]

You clearly are either a diehard net fan or howard fan who wants to believe because the thought he'd win a challenge on this is silly.

I'm a bit of both, but not "die-hard" for either :)

We don't know what Dwight has in his hand, if he has any official written promise with Othis Smith's signature, than he has a good case. Or if Othis Smith himself will admit that he did indeed make a promise like this on behalf of the Magic, than Dwight can win maybe...
Otherwise, if he can not prove anything, you are right, he will not win.

If the NBAPA is ready to go to war on Dwight's side, than he probably has some evidence in his hands.

[Zodiac]

Please, for the love of God, Danny Ferry do this trade.
The Hawks would have Morrow and Jenkins to go with Teague.
And there would still be a lot of cap space for the Hawks to go after a young free agent or make a trade for someone.
Seriously Ferry is an idiot if he doesn't accept this.


BTW if Ferry is able to get rid of Joe's massive contract he should automatically win Exec of the Year.

[niko]

I'm a bit of both, but not "die-hard" for either :)

We don't know what Dwight has in his hand, if he has any official written promise with Othis Smith's signature, than he has a good case. Or if Othis Smith himself will admit that he did indeed make a promise like this on behalf of the Magic, than Dwight can win maybe...
Otherwise, if he can not prove anything, you are right, he will not win.

If the NBAPA is ready to go to war on Dwight's side, than he probably has some evidence in his hands.
You're nuts if you think this has any legs at all and the NBAPA is not just being polite. They threaten to defend anything.

[R.I.P.]

The Nets proposal is Petro, Farmar, Morrow, Jordan Williams (all 4 expirers) and a 1st rd pick for JJ.


That shit doesn

[fefe]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]That shit doesn

[It's A VC3!!!]

If the Nets want a SG, get Rudy Gay. We don't need a 30 year old who will eat up our huge assets while commanding a larger salary then all the out-going assets combined.

Not to mention that we already have a pretty darn good player in Gerald Green who would see his minutes cut if we acquire JJ.

[niko]

If the Nets want a SG, get Rudy Gay. We don't need a 30 year old who will eat up our huge assets while commanding a larger salary then all the out-going assets combined.

Not to mention that we already have a pretty darn good player in Gerald Green who would see his minutes cut if we acquire JJ.
In some of the tweets I've seen either brooks or green are in the trade..:lol

[flipogb]

If the Nets want a SG, get Rudy Gay. We don't need a 30 year old who will eat up our huge assets while commanding a larger salary then all the out-going assets combined.

Not to mention that we already have a pretty darn good player in Gerald Green who would see his minutes cut if we acquire JJ.Rudy Gay is an SF tho

[kentatm]

I don't want to start a whole new thread for a question that can be answered in one comment, so:

When did rep get back? Love the rep system.

It usually gets brought back in the summer and then gets taken away by mid season when the same 5 or 6 cry babies flood the OTC with an excessive amount of bitching and moaning about how it's so very unfair they are in the red.

I see that we can't neg people so I guess the crying children can remain happy.

[fefe]

In some of the tweets I've seen either brooks or green are in the trade..:lol
This is my source:
http://www.netsdaily.com/2012/7/1/3129931/nets-prepare-for-guard-options


According to several reports, the Nets would receive Johnson in return for four expiring contracts: Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro and Jordan Williams plus a first round pick in 2013, when the Nets have two picks, their own and the Rockets' lottery protected pick.

No Brooks and no Green.
btw Green is an UFA, so it can only be Brooks...

[It's A VC3!!!]

In some of the tweets I've seen either brooks or green are in the trade..:lol

The Nets do not want to give Brooks up at any cost. Green has come on so strong that he is very valuable as well.

Teams are interested with Brooks because he is a tremendous rookie and they feel that Green just had a contract year and he can go back into his immature mode any time. Any player the Nets are interested in involves losing Brooks though. If we happen to get JJ, we will end up losing Brooks definitely, and likely Gerald too just because he can't flourish with JJ hogging his minutes.

[Clippersfan86]

This will set them up to be Lakers 2.0. Three players on 20 mill a year contracts and zero flexibility to fill out roster. If they don't work they are screwed. Not to mention they just offered Gerald Wallace 10 mill a year.

[ClutchOver9000]

this trade makes no sense to me if you're the Nets

[Derka]

If Wallace, Williams and Johnson are Brooklyn's answer to a Big 3, I'm not scared.

[WeGetRing2012]

If Wallace, Williams and Johnson are Brooklyn's answer to a Big 3, I'm not scared.

But with Lopez,Humpries, and Marshon its not awful. Much Better than the Mavs...

[BlackVVaves]

If the Nets want a SG, get Rudy Gay. We don't need a 30 year old who will eat up our huge assets while commanding a larger salary then all the out-going assets combined.

Not to mention that we already have a pretty darn good player in Gerald Green who would see his minutes cut if we acquire JJ.

You know, a lot of your posts really suggest that you don't watch, or know much about basketball. Rudy Gay is a SG?

And how do you think the Nets will be able to get any of the players they are so desperate to attain? You really think, if even half of the rumors of Nets potential acquisitions are true, that Green will be there wearing a BK jersey when the dust settles?

Plus he's a UFA anyway.

[BlackVVaves]

This will set them up to be Lakers 2.0. Three players on 20 mill a year contracts and zero flexibility to fill out roster. If they don't work they are screwed. Not to mention they just offered Gerald Wallace 10 mill a year.

Yup. Except while the Lakers spent three straight years in the finals, the Nets would spend three years straight in mediocrity.

[Blue&Orange]

Seriously Billy King is completely destroying Isiah Thomas legacy.


I always defended the Hawks giving that contract to Joe, nobody else as talented as him, will be going to Atlanta anytime soon.

But why, i mean why, would the Nets take that contract?

[R.I.P.]

But with Lopez,Humpries, and Marshon its not awful. Much Better than the Mavs...

Deron is Deron.
Dirk is better than Lopez.
Marion is better than Wallace.
Beaubois is as good as Brooks (they both average, but neither fanbase wants to accept it :oldlol: )

The only advantage the Hawks would have short-term is the skills of Joe Johnson and his 90 milion dollar capkiller. That

[FireDavidKahn]

this trade makes no sense to me if you're the Nets
It does if you want to win now.

[CLTHornets4eva]

I always defended the Hawks giving that contract to Joe, nobody else as talented as him, will be going to Atlanta anytime soon.



Why? Atlanta is one of the most african american cities in the nation, home to many players and a place lots of players would be happy playing. The ownership seems to be improving with the commitment of hiring Ferry.

It was only in order to continue the teams success in order to sell the team, while trying to keep the Hawks relevant in a city that largely ignores them.

[Clippersfan86]

Yup. Except while the Lakers spent three straight years in the finals, the Nets would spend three years straight in mediocrity.

Yup. I don't think they will mesh the way the Lakers trio did. Just saying financially they are similar. Lakers right now are having trouble staying on top because of the size of their stars contracts and the lack of quality role players that allowed them to sign. Nets will have same problem in few years and if the stars don't get along it will be disastrous.

[MsGreenleaf]

:wtf: are nets trying to outdo their g-wallace trade stupidity? they traded a lottery pick for wallace to be a 6 month rental. i still can't get over that one. it definitely ranks as one of the worst recent trades :roll:

I agree that the Nets come up with one stupid idea after another but Wallace did just agree in principal to a new deal with them..Although him for that lottery pick is still ridiculous lol

[bagelred]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Nets still trying to get trade done for Hawks guard Joe Johnson and hoping to get resolved by mid-week, sources tell Yahoo! Sports.

:pimp:

[hawkfan]

The Magic have expressed interest in Joe Johnson, and the Nets are trying to package Morrow and some garbage to the Hawks for cap relief in order to get JJ.

Then JJ and Lopez go down to Orlando in exchange for Howard and Hedo (in two separate deals).

[D12"Magic"]

The Magic have expressed interest in Joe Johnson, and the Nets are trying to package Morrow and some garbage to the Hawks for cap relief in order to get JJ.

Then JJ and Lopez go down to Orlando in exchange for Howard and Hedo (in two separate deals).
Doubt Magic are interested in JJ. That's ridiculous. And will the Nets stop being dumb, there is no need to try to take on the contract.

[D12"Magic"]

:pimp:
http://lparchive.org/Lufia-The-Legend-Returns/Update%2012/26-No-Darth_Vader.jpg

[PJR]

A Joe Johnson trade will surely wheel in Deron. No question. Billy King better make it happen.

[longtime lurker]

It does if you want to win now.

You're not winning anything with Joe Johnson

[hawkfan]

Doubt Magic are interested in JJ. That's ridiculous. And will the Nets stop being dumb, there is no need to try to take on the contract.

Last year the Hawks offered Al Horford and JJ for Dwight Howard and the Magic were interested. The owner wants proven veterans and Horford and Johnson are definitely that. There were some discussions and then they ended when the Magic ended trade talks and Al got hurt in the early part of the season.

[hawkfan]

You're not winning anything with Joe Johnson

Johnson as a third option behind Williams and Howard actually would work well.

[D12"Magic"]

Last year the Hawks offered Al Horford and JJ for Dwight Howard and the Magic were interested. The owner wants proven veterans and Horford and Johnson are definitely that. There were some discussions and then they ended when the Magic ended trade talks and Al got hurt in the early part of the season.
Looks like the new GM wants to rebuild though

[longtime lurker]

Johnson as a third option behind Williams and Howard actually would work well.

You sign Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace(Remember me?) and Williams and there's no more money to go around for Dwight Howard.

[niko]

The Magic have expressed interest in Joe Johnson, and the Nets are trying to package Morrow and some garbage to the Hawks for cap relief in order to get JJ.

Then JJ and Lopez go down to Orlando in exchange for Howard and Hedo (in two separate deals).
The Magic don't want longterm vets anymore. That was the moron who got fired.

[FireDavidKahn]

You're not winning anything with Joe Johnson
Maybe not, but he will make you a better team.

[veilside23]

You sign Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace(Remember me?) and Williams and there's no more money to go around for Dwight Howard.


money??? prok has tons of money ... so thats not going to be a problem.. if miami was able to put lbj, dwade and bosh together .. nets can do that as well... hmmmmmmmm

[longtime lurker]

Maybe not, but he will make you a better team.

20 million to be in the bottom of the playoff picture that's worth it.... There's a reason the Hawks are DYING to give away his contract.


money??? prok has tons of money ... so thats not going to be a problem.. if miami was able to put lbj, dwade and bosh together .. nets can do that as well... hmmmmmmmm

:facepalm do me a favour and go read up on salary cap rules.

[veilside23]

:facepalm do me a favour and go read up on salary cap rules.

i dont have to... they dont need wallace thats for sure... they might sign and trade wallace for joe johnson .. and then get d12.. am sure there would be alot of guys who would be willing to play for this team when that trade transpires.. so go ahead you do the math...

[longtime lurker]

i dont have to... they dont need wallace thats for sure... they might sign and trade wallace for joe johnson .. and then get d12.. am sure there would be alot of guys who would be willing to play for this team when that trade transpires.. so go ahead you do the math...

LMAO genius. The Nets are RESIGNING Gerald Wallace. Go on NBA.com front page. They're not sign and trading him to Atlanta :facepalm Let's do some math shall we. The salary cap is at 58 million. Joe Johnson + Gerald Wallace makes 29 million in committed salary. Deron Williams cap hold is 17 million so now you have 46 million in salary committed to 3 guys. You have 12 million dollars to pay Dwight Howard. Oh what's that you say? You have to trade for Dwight Howard who makes 17 million this year. So you're about 5 million short. I didn't even mention who the hell you're trading to the Hawks for Joe Johnson or the cap holds. Face it only an idiot would trade for Joe Johnson, which is not surprising considering you're dealing with Billy King.