Rockets prepared to offer Omer Asik 8 mill a year

[Reverend Hoops]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0701-bulls-free-agency-chicago--20120701,0,6281776.story

:roll:

I love this time of year.

[TylerOO]

Dudes a fcking scrub. Being seven feet tall must be great

[hawkfan]

Makes sense for the Rockets.
A young big in a sign and trade, and the Rockets can send back one of their first round picks this year or trade out a future one.

[hawkfan]

Dudes a fcking scrub. Being seven feet tall must be great

DeAndre Jordan got 10.5 million per year.
Is Asik better than Jordan?

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Doesn't surprise me with them trading away Dalembert and looking to move Scola.

[NuggetsFan]

Rockets have been active as f*ck.

[Al Thornton]

DeAndre Jordan got 10.5 million per year.
Is Asik better than Jordan?

is asik black? can he jump?

[MisterAmazing]

Rockets prepared to offer Omer Asik 8 mill a year


:facepalm

[TylerOO]

DeAndre Jordan got 10.5 million per year.
Is Asik better than Jordan?
Both scrubs, but atleast the two points a game DeAndre scores is exciting as ****.

[50inchvertical]

is asik black? can he jump?
he's a better defender than Jordan though and a smarter player overall. I think 8mil is a steal for him. Big guys get paid on a ridiculous scale

[AMISTILLILL]

Am I the only person unable to read the article in the link posted?

[NuggetsFan]

is asik black? can he jump?

White. 25 years old. Averaged 3\5 and 1 block in 15 minutes last year. Started 2 games. How is somebody going to give this guy 8 mill a year? :confusedshrug:

[InspiredLebowski]

Sign that shit Omer. One less team to push the price up for Hibbert.

[TMT]

Houston desperate for a big man as usual, but damn starting at 8 million a year for Asik?

:confusedshrug:

[MeLO MvP 15]

Sign that shit Omer. One less team to push the price up for Hibbert.
You realize that Asik signing for $8 mil just pushes up Hibbert's price, right? Asik at $8 mil means McGee and Hibbert could approach MAX money.

[hawkfan]

DJ got 10.5 million.
Carl Landry got 8.5 million.
Kwame Brown got 7 million.

This deal for Asik fits in with what the market is saying at this time.

[stallionaire]

I'm just glad Minnesota hasn't been after Asik. We don't need another white guy...

[longtime lurker]

:roll: :roll: :roll: I see no one learned anything from the lockout.

[Stuckey]

:roll: lawwwd

lucky sob pos player

[hawkfan]

:roll: :roll: :roll: I see no one learned anything from the lockout.

There's an 85 percent rule minimum cap now. Teams have to overpay, it's just for shorter contracts.

[Kurosawa0]

Sign that shit Omer. One less team to push the price up for Hibbert.

Hibbert's going to be very, very expensive either way.

[MeLO MvP 15]

DJ got 10.5 million.
Carl Landry got 8.5 million.
Kwame Brown got 7 million.

This deal for Asik fits in with what the market is saying at this time.
Ummm not really. You're not factoring in the fact that Kwame and Landry both signed one year deals which inflates the price (obviously if a team doesn't commit more guaranteed years then they get more heavily compensated).

Centers always get overpaid, but this is pretty ridiculous. Also DJ is already considered a bad contract, that's not something Houston should strive to compare Asik to. That's like saying Eric Gordon deserves MAX money because Joe Johnson gets MAX money.... um no, that just means they'd both be overpaid.

[InspiredLebowski]

You realize that Asik signing for $8 mil just pushes up Hibbert's price, right? Asik at $8 mil means McGee and Hibbert could approach MAX money.And Houston was/is one of those teams that could make a big money push for Hibbert. I'm (I, like it's my money lol) prepared to pay him regardless, but one suitor bowing out is a good thing.

[MeLO MvP 15]

And Houston was/is one of those teams that could make a big money push for Hibbert. I'm (I, like it's my money lol) prepared to pay him regardless, but one suitor bowing out is a good thing.
But the fact is that Hibbert is restricted so it's impossible for a team to just take him away, the only way he'd be gone is if he gets an offer sheet Indy doesn't want to match (which shouldn't happen).

[hawkfan]

Ummm not really. You're not factoring in the fact that Kwame and Landry both signed one year deals which inflates the price (obviously if a team doesn't commit more guaranteed years then they get more heavily compensated).

Centers always get overpaid, but this is pretty ridiculous. Also DJ is already considered a bad contract, that's not something Houston should strive to compare Asik to. That's like saying Eric Gordon deserves MAX money because Joe Johnson gets MAX money.... um no, that just means they'd both be overpaid.

If the Rockets don't overpay, then they will have a repeat of last year. They tried to get a big and struck out and ended up giving Dalembert a 2 years, 14 million deal.

The Rockets have no choice but to overpay. They tried for Howard and that didn't work out.

Asik is a far better offensive player than DJ. Defensively DJ is far superior shot blocker, but in terms of other areas of defense, Asik is at least solid.

[hawkfan]

And Houston was/is one of those teams that could make a big money push for Hibbert. I'm (I, like it's my money lol) prepared to pay him regardless, but one suitor bowing out is a good thing.

Hibbert will get full max or near max. That's going to happen.

[Umad101]

Is he really that much better than camby

[dak121]

Little bit I've read says that the Rockets will pay him 11 million for the 3rd and 4th years of the deal.

Looks like a sign-and-trade situation to me.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LOL. Overpayment!

[Umad101]

I'm just glad Minnesota hasn't been after Asik. We don't need another white guy...
Why would they? They already have that white guy center pek or what ever his name is. And alot better too

[CelticBaller]

:oldlol:

Later that night...

*the Celtics offer Omer Asik 10 million*


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[InspiredLebowski]

But the fact is that Hibbert is restricted so it's impossible for a team to just take him away, the only way he'd be gone is if he gets an offer sheet Indy doesn't want to match (which shouldn't happen).Right. I understand this. But there's not a ton of teams that can offer him huge money. Houston was one. And now maybe they're not. One less team to offer an offer sheet gives Indy a better chance of just outright negotiating an extension instead of needing to match.

I'm not saying it means Indy'll get him for 5/55 or something. I'm saying it takes a potential max offer off the table potentially.

[hawkfan]

Right. I understand this. But there's not a ton of teams that can offer him huge money. Houston was one. And now maybe they're not. One less team to offer an offer sheet gives Indy a better chance of just outright negotiating an extension instead of needing to match.

I'm not saying it means Indy'll get him for 5/55 or something. I'm saying it takes a potential max offer off the table potentially.

Doubt it. No teams are going after Hibbert because they know they have no chance of getting him. Because the Spacers will offer full max.

[colorz]

:facepalm

[InspiredLebowski]

Doubt it. No teams are going after Hibbert because they know they have no chance of getting him. Because the Spacers will offer full max.Maybe, maybe not. But if they give him the full max w/o at least trying to leverage the fact that there's not many other suitors that'd do that then I'd be pretty disappointed in Donnie Walsh.

[spiegel]

Why not go after Anthony Randolph Morey? He will be cheaper and just as effective?

[DuMa]

goddamn. i wish i was a bumbling 7 footer :(

[MeLO MvP 15]

Right. I understand this. But there's not a ton of teams that can offer him huge money. Houston was one. And now maybe they're not. One less team to offer an offer sheet gives Indy a better chance of just outright negotiating an extension instead of needing to match.

I'm not saying it means Indy'll get him for 5/55 or something. I'm saying it takes a potential max offer off the table potentially.
Good point. Houston was probably the biggest threat. Dallas and Portland could still make that offer, but it's not as likely.

[LikeABosh]

So pretty much 8 mill a year to stand in the paint and be 7 feet tall?

[InspiredLebowski]

Good point. Houston was probably the biggest threat. Dallas and Portland could still make that offer, but it's not as likely.If Peter Falk (his agent) says max or else though, I'd much prefer matchig an offer sheet max then just negotiating one. One year less, smaller raises.

[spiegel]

Hibbert hates our team as much as Dwight does so he was a never a real option.

[DStebb716]

****ing ridiculous. Wouldn't give him more than 3 mil.

[bagelred]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

After Houston tonight, Blazers GM Neil Olshey will meet with Chicago center Omer Asik and make him an offer, sources tell Y! Sports.

Omar says "You best pay the man with the shotgun...."

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[InspiredLebowski]

Hibbert hates our team as much as Dwight does so he was a never a real option.No he doesn't. Rocket fans took a quote out of context and REALLY ran with it.

[spiegel]

Is he any better then Haddadi?. Haddadi looked ok in the playoffs when he played.

[spiegel]

No he doesn't. Rocket fans took a quote out of context and REALLY ran with it.
We can offer him the MAX but i think he likes where he is. I dont see him leaving indy.

[StateOfMind12]

Asik is like a white and bigger version of Kwame Brown. He has god awful hands but he is a solid defender specifically post defender.

The contract he will get will resemble Dampier's big contract in the mid 2000s.

[Umad101]

Asik is like a white and bigger version of Kwame Brown. He has god awful hands but he is a solid defender specifically post defender.

The contract he will get will resemble Dampier's big contract in the mid 2000s.
Let the white boy get paid bro lol

[NugzFan]

You realize that Asik signing for $8 mil just pushes up Hibbert's price, right? Asik at $8 mil means McGee and Hibbert could approach MAX money.

at this rate, if players/agents/owners use this logic, every player will be max at some point. :facepalm

the logic that agents use of finding one guy worse and claiming my player should therefore make more is stupid. wish i could find a player that is better than mcgee and conclude he should get less than him. use the logic against them. (dwight is getting the max...mcgee is worse than dwight...therefore mcgee CANNOT be paid the max...something like that)

or at least average it out over 10 similar players. they cant just find that one guy an say he should get more than him.

[NugzFan]

I'm just glad Minnesota hasn't been after Asik. We don't need another white guy...

whats the limit on how many white guys a team should have?

just curious.

[EricGordon23]

Wow asik getting 8mil I cant wait to see what Javale McGee gets offered.

[NugzFan]

Wow asik getting 8mil I cant wait to see what Javale McGee gets offered.

with howard getting the max, i cant wait to see what javale gets offered.

or with what hibbert gets, i cant wait to see what javale gets offered.

has to be less than those two for sure.

[hawkfan]

Wow asik getting 8mil I cant wait to see what Javale McGee gets offered.

4 years, $48 million by the Mavs.

[NugzFan]

4 years, $48 million by the Mavs.

not bad. i could live with that.

[Force]

Asik is a far better rebounder and defender than DJ. DJ was horrible last year, he doesn't box anybody out ever and get lost on defense all the time, he doesn't concentrate.

DJ's ceiling is far and away higher than Asik though so he will become the better player very soon. The difference in bball IQ is laughable though. DJ has a lot of catching up to do because that contract he got was a gift at this point.

[Derka]

Impossible.

If so, I deserve $3 million a year just for my skin color.

[fatboy11]

I knew someone would overpay for him......I just didn't think it would be my team.

[hawkfan]

I knew someone would overpay for him......I just didn't think it would be my team.

Last year they tried not to overpay for a big and had to settle for Dalembert.
They don't want a repeat of last year.

[I LUV KOBE]

8 mill a year for this turn over prone center that can't even catch a normal pass and can't shoot free throw to save his ass.:wtf:

[magnax1]

I honestly don't have a huge problem with that. He's one of the most under rated players in the league IMO. Top tier rebounder, and defender. Just sucks on offense

[fatboy11]

Last year they tried not to overpay for a big and had to settle for Dalembert.
They don't want a repeat of last year.

Two wrongs certainly don't make a right.

[fatboy11]

I honestly don't have a huge problem with that. He's one of the most under rated players in the league IMO. Top tier rebounder, and defender. Just sucks on offense

:biggums:

He had 5 double digits rebounds in 66 games. And I realize he only averaged around 15 minutes a game, but that wouldn't be the case if he were a top tier rebounder. And defender.

You, sir, just got carried away.

[El Kabong]

Well it's not completely terrible if it's for 2-3 years I guess. Kwame got $7 million for the year, Sammy D got about the same for 2 years. Any big who shows any sort of potential will get a big offer. Sometimes it'll work out, like with a guy like Gortat, other times it's nothing but a burden on your cap and 6 fouls on the court like Biendrins.

[magnax1]

:biggums:

He had 5 double digits rebounds in 66 games. And I realize he only averaged around 15 minutes a game, but that wouldn't be the case if he were a top tier rebounder. And defender.

You, sir, just got carried away.
I don't agree at all. He averaged 13 rebounds and 2.5 blocks per 36, and was a very smart defender. If he is capable of playing big minute, which he honestly didn't seem like he was, he's a lot better then some of the other centers that have gotten similar amounts of money in recent years.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Fukk, so this means we gotta match this shit right?!
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[El Kabong]

So I'm guessing if Asik is offered $8 million then I guess İlyasova is getting $10 million +.

[InspiredLebowski]

So I'm guessing if Asik is offered $8 million then I guess İlyasova is getting $10 million +.Don't see how he's not.

The lockout solved everything clearly. Other than saving idiots from themselves. This will forever be a problem until there's real, NFL style revenue sharing.

Or they just start letting message board posters run NBA teams. I'm only half kidding about that, honestly.

[e-LIMON-ators]

LOL....you can have him Houston...just give us a 1st round pick and we'll call it even. He's not worth 8 mill. He does NOTHING on offense. Probably the best post defender in the league though.

[brantonli]

I knew someone would overpay for him......I just didn't think it would be my team.

I know the Rockets have been trying to trade for him for years...but isn't 8 million Scola money? Ok Asik is taller, but Scola flat out dominates him on the offensive end...I suspect that number is far too high.

[arifgokcen]

I know the Rockets have been trying to trade for him for years...but isn't 8 million Scola money? Ok Asik is taller, but Scola flat out dominates him on the offensive end...I suspect that number is far too high.

I have watched him.Considering DAJ got that ridiculous contract,he is worth that money.He is one of the best rebounders and shot blockers.Everytime he plays 30+minutes he gets double digit rebounds.He is one of the best post defenders and probably paint defenders in the game.

I remember asik giving lebron/wade problems.He is a smart defender and he just goes straight up because he is so tall and has long arms,that means less penetration.

[spiegel]

Well he and Camby will form a pretty good C rotation i guess, but 8 mill is a little to steep of a price to pay. We also gotta pay Dragic whom is asking for 10 million a year.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Time to start looking for cheap backup Centers...

[All Net]

These contracts for bigs are becoming a joke...

[alenleomessi]

I love Asik, but this is getting hilarious

[Bosnian Sajo]

EIGHT MILLION? FOR ASIK? :facepalm:

[Noof]

lol

[jbot]

Dudes a fcking scrub. Being seven feet tall must be great
it has it's advantages definitely. seems to be a decent, if average, center. that's a gag load of money though.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Well he and Camby will form a pretty good C rotation i guess, but 8 mill is a little to steep of a price to pay. We also gotta pay Dragic whom is asking for 10 million a year.


No way :oldlol:

[All Net]

No way :oldlol:

It really is getting out of hand. What were the owners saying at the lockout again?

[nathanjizzle]

bulls are screwed :roll:

[franchise#3]

Is that white guy they drafted in the 1st round last year gonna play this year?

[kumquat]

I honestly don't have a huge problem with that. He's one of the most under rated players in the league IMO. Top tier rebounder, and defender. Just sucks on offense

Bingo

[FrankTony]

So Morey's masterplan was to draft two more PFs, have 7 in total in the roster and offer 8m/year for 3/5/1 Center :facepalm

[R.I.P.]

Morey sure loves his advanced geographics, I bet out of shape back-ups from Turkey score really highly in limited minutes.:oldlol:

[ripthekik]

Isn't Taj Gibson better?

[midatlantic09]

Why do NBA teams always do stuff like this? Even $4 million a year would be a stretch to pay him based on skill and what value he adds. I know big men command more money, but come on. What can Asik do consistently other than pick up fouls and take up space in the lane?


What happened to the days when NBA centers were actually, like, good/talented? I can count the talented centers on one hand nowadays.

[R.I.P.]

Isn't Taj Gibson better?

Of course.

Asik is an above average rebounder in limited minutes. That

[ripthekik]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Of course.

Asik is an above average rebounder in limited minutes. That

[GOBB]

For some reason the link sends me to the homepage. And damn how many people got killed on page 1? Little girl 7 selling candy. 3yr old shot walkin with parents and 2yr old found alone. Oh and dont forget 6 seperate shootings.

Damn Chicago.


Anyway, Asik $8mil per offer? Wow.

[GOBB]

I cant find anything where Houston offered Asik this. All I see is teams could potentially offer Asik $7.5mil. :confusedshrug:

[ralph_i_el]

is asik black? can he jump?

I'll answer a question with a question
does Deandre have a brain? Does he understand how to play ball?

[Euroleague]

Daryl Morey is the most overrated general manager in the history of North American sports.

[NugzFan]

Well it's not completely terrible if it's for 2-3 years I guess. Kwame got $7 million for the year, Sammy D got about the same for 2 years. Any big who shows any sort of potential will get a big offer. Sometimes it'll work out, like with a guy like Gortat, other times it's nothing but a burden on your cap and 6 fouls on the court like Biendrins.

again this awful logic.

so what you found ONE GUY making about the same who is equal to or worse than dalembert.

thats not how it should work.

[NugzFan]

LOL....you can have him Houston...just give us a 1st round pick and we'll call it even. He's not worth 8 mill. He does NOTHING on offense. Probably the best post defender in the league though.

uh why would houston give up a first rounder?

[D-Rose]

That's a lot of cash, but remember that big men are always overvalued and this isn't very surprising. For the Rockets' sake, I'd hope they don't actually do this.

[Tenchi Ryu]

That's a lot of cash, but remember that big men are always overvalued and this isn't very surprising. For the Rockets' sake, I'd hope they don't actually do this.
I ain't gonna be mad if they do. Them taking Asik off our hands gives us a little more money to work with.

[Meticode]

Why? :biggums:

[wally_world]

I see a whole new bunch of Desagna Diops and Eric Dampiers :banana:

[1rkrage]

Noooo :(


and some bulls fans say his D isn't worth anything...

[fatboy11]

When I first heard of the 8 million per year offer, I was worried. But with the way the deal is set-up, and just being 3 years, it's not so bad. 5 million a year for this guy isn't bad at all. Now, by Year 3, he needs to be seriously earning his keep at 15 million.

I'm just not sure this guy is anything more than a role player. Not sure how he plays with extended minutes.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Daryl Morey is the most overrated general manager in the history of North American sports.

I agree. Rockets woulda had a superstar player by now if Carrol dawson was still gm.

[Droid101]

It's actually 5 mil/5 mil/15 mil, to discourage Chicago from matching.

[Dengness9]

It's actually 5 mil/5 mil/15 mil, to discourage Chicago from matching.


Chicago could match and keep Omer for 2 years then use his expiring as a huge trade chip all the while Luol Deng's contract will be expired and Boozer can be amnestied with only 1 year left on his contract.


In other words, in two years, the Bulls are going after some big names thru FA or trades.

I'm ok with this scenario however it plays out. In the next 3 years the Bulls will have a bonafide #2 option/Allstar to pair with Rose. Will be interesting.

[fatboy11]

Chicago could match and keep Omer for 2 years then use his expiring as a huge trade chip all the while Luol Deng's contract will be expired and Boozer can be amnestied with only 1 year left on his contract.


In other words, in two years, the Bulls are going after some big names thru FA or trades.

I'm ok with this scenario however it plays out. In the next 3 years the Bulls will have a bonafide #2 option/Allstar to pair with Rose. Will be interesting.

Wouldn't it make more sense for them to also trade Boozer (not necessarily in the same deal as Asik) rather than lose him for nothing while playing his contract?

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Player A: 3.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1 bpg, 14.7 mpg, 50.6 FG%, 45.6 FT%, 66 games (2 starts)
Player B: 2.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 13.9 mpg, 54.5 FG%, 70.7 FT%, 55 games (3 starts)

... Player A is Chicago Bulls second-year center Omer Asik. Player B is Celtics rookie center Greg Stiemsma. ...

And before you bark about how good Asik is defensively, hear us out. There's no denying Asik's talents on the defensive end. Of all NBA players with at least 250 defensive possessions against them last season, he ranked No. 1 allowing a mere 0.653 points per play, according to Synergy Sports data.

Stiemsma? He ranked No. 7 at 0.711 points per play and often was the first big off the bench to spell Kevin Garnett, so it's not like his numbers were overly inflated by sharing court time with Boston's defensive anchor...

:roll: :roll:

[All Net]

It's actually 5 mil/5 mil/15 mil, to discourage Chicago from matching.

Would it discourage them though? those first two years aren't too bad.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I wouldnt have offered this guy 2mil per year contract, lol.
:roll:

[1rkrage]

I wouldnt have offered this guy 2mil per year contract, lol.
:roll:

but you're not a GM

[Phantom_Blue]

I wouldnt have offered this guy 2mil per year contract, lol.
:roll:

Not only is your entire organization ignorant, seems to have trickled down to your fanbase as well. Billy King... :lol

[Bigsmoke]

i will miss him if he leaves a little bit it sometimes pisses me off that he can catch basic passes here and there.

[Droid101]

Would it discourage them though? those first two years aren't too bad.
It's all about that third year.

They're going to have Rose's raises, Boozer's, Noah's, Gibson's, etc etc. Combine all of those PLUS another 15 mil, and they're wayy over the Luxury tax. So basically they'd be paying 30 million for Asik's third year.

Not worth it. Here, read this:


But Chicago? Holy hell, this is going to hurt. The league calculates the cap charge differently for a team matching the offer sheet, using actual salaries instead of the average. So the Bulls get off easy in the short term; a $5 million cap charge for Asik this year and next should have been in their budget to start.

But then in 2014-15, it jumps up to about $14.9 million. And it's not clear how the Bulls are supposed to handle that, especially given their aversion to the luxury tax and the fact they may be subject to the repeater penalty by then. Between Asik, Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah, they have $61.6 million committed and that's without paying Taj Gibson, retaining Luol Deng, or adding any free agent or draft picks.

They're almost certainly a tax team, in other words, and in fact they're likely to be deep into the tax, even if the league's tax level rises a few ducats by then. Which makes the effective cost of keeping Asik that season closer to $30 million than $15 million. And as much as I may admire his defense and rebounding, it's inconceivable that Asik is worth anywhere near $30 million.


Are there ways around this? Yes, but the medicine is worse than the disease. If in 2014 the Bulls were to use the amnesty clause on Carlos Boozer, who would be on the final year of his deal, that would cut $15 million from their cap number (and likely from their luxury tax bill) that season, but they would still have to pay Boozer, which would still make Asik's effective cost $30 million -- except in that case, it's $30 million and a starting power forward.

Alternatively, Chicago could use the stretch provision on Asik prior to Year 3. That would cost them $5 million each in 2014-15, 2015-16, and 2016-17, possibly saving them from a luxury tax in all three seasons.

But doing so would give them only two years of Asik, while still paying the entirety of the deal, which means they'll have signed him to a two-year deal for $24 million. Which is about as bad as the effective cost of three years, $39 million that we're presenting as the alternative. (You can also count the tax hits in Years 1 and 2, but they're the same in both alternatives so we'll ignore them for now.)

Basically, there's no easy way out for Chicago, which is why they're unlikely to match Houston's offer sheet. They still have Gibson, who is an absolute defensive beast and is extension-eligible this summer -- presumably on far better terms than Asik's deal. Meanwhile, Chicago can shorten its frontcourt rotation to three men -- Boozer, Noah and Gibson -- while using Luol Deng as a small-ball 4 in stretches.