Why do people say Kobe has high basketball IQ?

[Derivative]

I am always baffled when people talk about the highest bball IQ players in the game today, and they bring up Kobe.

Kobe probably takes more bad shots than anyone, and has screwed his 2004 Lakers team away from a championship. So why is it that Russel Westbrook takes bad shots, they say he's dumb, but when Kobe takes bad shots, everyone say his basketball IQ is so high??

[AirTupac]

Because he knows how to work your mother to perfection.

[EnoughSaid]

Because he knows how to work your mother to perfection.

And he's one of the best finishers as well. :eek:

[RazorBaLade]

well thats the ONLY knock on kobes iq

he can read defense and do everything else perfectly. look at gm 7 denver. look at footwork. everything

the only problem he might have is he ALWAYS believes he will make his next shot. and i dont mind that at all. 5 rings

[Derivative]

And he's one of the best finishers as well. :eek:

kobe is actually a BAD finisher around the rim, also a BAD finisher of games

[DurantFor40]

Because he sticks his bottom teeth out in aggression which makes him the undisputed clutch performer of his time, with the highest IQ, and the ultimate winner. He has 5 rings, and he sticks his bottom teeth out in aggression. Thats why bitch.

[Derivative]

well thats the ONLY knock on kobes iq

he can read defense and do everything else perfectly. look at gm 7 denver. look at footwork. everything

the only problem he might have is he ALWAYS believes he will make his next shot. and i dont mind that at all. 5 rings

3 by riding shaq. and should of won 6 rings without his chucking in 2004

[G-Funk]

u serious? hahaha

[RazorBaLade]

3 by riding shaq. and should of won 6 rings without his chucking in 2004

s1 who has power to lose his team a ring by default is responsible at some level for winning them

you are critcizing him bcuz he only won 5? nice. jordan shoulda won 8 what u got against him?

[Linspired]

kobe's ego = mother of all bad basketball IQ

[Umad101]

3 by riding shaq. and should of won 6 rings without his chucking in 2004
Lol shaq didn't win shit till he got Kobe

[StateOfMind12]

Kobe understands the game well such as the X's and O's, what it takes to succeed, how to succeed, etc.

Kobe's shot selection and decision making is horrible though but I suppose that is considered a different entity to basketball IQ to most people.

[PickernRoller]

I seriously question the mental state of the posters above me that have taken OP seriously.

Anyway OP, since 90% of your threads are about Kobe, why don't you sport this avy:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3541/6h0p78.jpg

[takai]

Nobody's perfect. But I'd have to say Kobe is a good decision maker. He's the best closer in the game for a reason.

[LakersReign]

3 by riding shaq. and should of won 6 rings without his chucking in 2004

...AND Lebron got 1 ring by riding BOTH Wade AND Bosh, so what's your point?:hammerhead:

[arifgokcen]

...AND Lebron got 1 ring by riding BOTH Wade AND Bosh, so what's your point?:hammerhead:
First of all kobe skill level is unmatched.However when it comes to ingame decisions,he might be one of the worst superstars we have in NBA today.

That said kobe was a sidekick in the first three rings,you cant credit him like a FMVP him however you cant just just discredit him either.So there is fine line.If winning a ring was the only thing mattered we would be calling horry top 10 player of alltime or no one would rank kobe lower than hakeem or shaq.

Lebron carried his team just like kobe did in 2009 and 2010 or shaq did during 3peat.

[LAClipsFan33]

It's because if you listen to him in an interview or watch "Kobe Doin Work" you realize that he knows exactly what he should be doing on a basketball court. The issue is that he doesn't execute what he knows...

[LakersReign]

First of all kobe skill level is unmatched.However when it comes to ingame decisions,he might be one of the worst superstars we have in NBA today.

That said kobe was a sidekick in the first three rings,you cant credit him like a FMVP him however you cant just just discredit him either.So there is fine line.If winning a ring was the only thing mattered we would be calling horry top 10 player of alltime or no one would rank kobe lower than hakeem or shaq.

Lebron carried his team just like kobe did in 2009 and 2010 or shaq did during 3peat.

Just simply pointing out the hilarious hypocrisy in that so called logic. Kobe needed Shaq to win ans much as Shaq needed Kobe. Winning as "the man" or winning as a "sidekick" is just more hater crap designed to try and diminish Kobe's career. Funny how they don't want to apply the same "logic" to Lebron, winning in Miami:rolleyes:

[BoutPractice]

LAClipsFan33 > This.
Kobe's an incredibly smart person. He's also an individualistic sociopath with a Hollywood view of the game (the NBA is a movie, and I'm the hero).

He plays like he's writing a script, which he's brilliant at. Sometimes it'll work (he's developed a rhythm so that what looks like a difficult shot to outsiders is actually easy for him), sometimes it'll lead to him pump-faking four times to turn an open shot into a contested 1-on-3 situation.

[RazorBaLade]

First of all kobe skill level is unmatched.However when it comes to ingame decisions,he might be one of the worst superstars we have in NBA today.

That said kobe was a sidekick in the first three rings,you cant credit him like a FMVP him however you cant just just discredit him either.So there is fine line.If winning a ring was the only thing mattered we would be calling horry top 10 player of alltime or no one would rank kobe lower than hakeem or shaq.

Lebron carried his team just like kobe did in 2009 and 2010 or shaq did during 3peat.

Not really.

The gap between lebron and his 2nd option was 6 or so points, in 09 and 10 kobes gap to pau was around 11. With shaq to his "sidekick" it was like 2 or 3 points.

Can't just paint it all with 1 stroke. Kobe was a sidekick to a player who everyone would be a sidekick to.


Kobe has 4 rings as a legit #1 option, 1 as a sidekick but still great. the first one is iffy, but he was extremely clutch (raped reggie millers dreams) so you make it lean towards 5. Its just 5 rings. Its not horrys rings as a 7th option. Its he COULD be a #1 option on another team easily while winning.

example of what I mean:

Put kobes 29 6 5 on 45%.. 37% from 3. . That was his playoff average in 01,02,03. Put him on those nets teams that got swept in the finals. You're telling me he isn't the MAN on that team and contending? So why discredit something like that? Just because he's playing next to the MDE?

[Wavy Crockett]

Just simply pointing out the hilarious hypocrisy in that so called logic. Kobe needed Shaq to win ans much as Shaq needed Kobe. Winning as "the man" or winning as a "sidekick" is just more hater crap designed to try and diminish Kobe's career. Funny how they don't want to apply the same "logic" to Lebron, winning in Miami:rolleyes:

Would you say that Kobe was carried to his first ring in the 2000? 15.6 ppg on 37% shooting in the Finals. Shaq averaged 38 on 61% shooting. Went 12-4 without him in the starting line up that same season.

:confusedshrug:

[LakersReign]

Would you say that Kobe was carried to his first ring in the 2000? 15.6 ppg on 37% shooting in the Finals. Shaq averaged 38 on 61% shooting. Went 12-4 without him in the starting line up that same season.

:confusedshrug:

If you're going to say that about Kobe, same applies to Lebron.

[Wavy Crockett]

If you're going to say that about Kobe, same applies to Lebron.

Elaborate

[StateOfMind12]

Lebron was riding Bosh and Wade to the title even though Bosh was out for half of the playoffs, LeBron was the regular season and Finals MVP that season, and Lebron led his team in every stat except blocks in the regular and post-season.

Yep. :rolleyes: :facepalm

If you can't grasp the difference between what LeBron did in 2012 and what Kobe did in 2000-2002 then you shouldn't be taken seriously.

[LakersReign]

Elaborate

If you're going to try and diminish Kobe's career with b.s. like "oh...well.....He couldn't win w/o Shaq.....he couldn't win w/o Gasol....he couldn't win w/o Jim Buss....He couldn't win w/o the Lakers girls.....He was a sidekick and not 'the man." But when it comes to Lebron it's suddenly "oh...well....he played better than Wade and Bosh so he was "the man" and not a sidekick like Kobe was to Shaq." Really? That's the main problem with double standards. People will ALWAYS be able to see your hypocrisy. Lebron didn't and couldn't win before coming to Miami, so just stop.

[Wavy Crockett]

If you're going to try and diminish Kobe's career with b.s. like "oh...well.....He couldn't win w/o Shaq.....he couldn't win w/o Gasol....he couldn't win w/o Jim Buss....He couldn't win w/o the Lakers girls.....He was a sidekick and not 'the man." But when it comes to Lebron it's suddenly "oh...well....he played better than Wade and Bosh so he was "the man" and not a sidekick like Kobe was to Shaq." Really? That's the main problem with double standards. People with ALWAYS be able to see your hypocrisy. Lebron didn't and couldn't win before coming to Miami, so just stop.

Well, I was just referring specifically to the 2000 season. It's not like he was just handed a ring anyway. He played a crucial part in the WCF and I believe it was Game 4 of the 2000 Finals when Shaq fouled out and he took over the game. There's plenty more instances of his effort as well.

[AlonzoGOAT]

If you're going to try and diminish Kobe's career with b.s. like "oh...well.....He couldn't win w/o Shaq.....he couldn't win w/o Gasol....he couldn't win w/o Jim Buss....He couldn't win w/o the Lakers girls.....He was a sidekick and not 'the man." But when it comes to Lebron it's suddenly "oh...well....he played better than Wade and Bosh so he was "the man" and not a sidekick like Kobe was to Shaq." Really? That's the main problem with double standards. People with ALWAYS be able to see your hypocrisy. Lebron didn't and couldn't win before coming to Miami, so just stop.

So your saying LeBron wasn't the man in these finals or was it wade?

[LakersReign]

Well, I was just referring specifically to the 2000 season. It's not like he was just handed a ring anyway. He played a crucial part in the WCF and I believe it was Game 4 of the 2000 Finals when Shaq fouled out and he took over the game. There's plenty more instances of his effort as well.

The thing about it is, he earned his titles....PERIOD. All this "oh...well...he won this many as a sidekick so they don't count cuz those outnumber how many he won as "the man" crap Is nothing more than a bunch of haters with nothing better to do. Trying to split hairs over nothing. When it's all said and done, what's going to count to anybody that matters is, he won 5 titles. Simple as that.

[Wavy Crockett]

The thing about it is, he earned his titles....PERIOD. All this "oh...well...he won this many as a sidekick so they don't count cuz those outnumber how many he won as "the man" crap Is nothing more than a bunch of haters with nothing better to do. Trying to split hairs over nothing. When it's all said and done, what's going to count to anybody that matters is, he won 5 titles. Simple as that.
I agree. He could have had 6 had he not been playing for Finals MVP in '04 :oldlol:

[arifgokcen]

So your saying LeBron wasn't the man in these finals or was it wade?

No my friend he is saying he hates lebron so he tries to discredit everything he does

,What lakersreign says:
"Winning as a sidekick or even 3rd option is the same as winning FMVP so he actually thinks jordan is not the best player or horry is ahead of players like shaq,kobe:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

He is just trolling.Dont forget lakersreign is probably the other account of bladers

[I LUV KOBE]

Kobe basketball IQ is on par with MJ, Bird and Magic..

[LakersReign]

No my friend he is saying he hates lebron so he tries to discredit everything he does

,What lakersreign says:
"Winning as a sidekick or even 3rd option is the same as winning FMVP so he actually thinks jordan is not the best player or horry is ahead of players like shaq,kobe:roll: :roll:

He is just trolling.Dont forget lakersreign is probably the other account of bladers

:lol @ this pathetic Lebronyte clown. He's so butthurt hearing the truth(that Lebron was carried to his first title by Wade and Bosh), he runs in here trying to derail the thread with a bunch of MADE UP b.s. Then tries to say I'm the one who's supposedly trolling:kobe:

Holla back when you can show me some links to back up anything you just said. I'll await your silence.:sleeping

[Lebron23]

I love reading this thread over and over again. Thank you guys for owning Lakersreign. Kobe has an average basketball IQ. He's an incoming 17th year NBA Veteran. Kobe needs to involve his teammates in their offense.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Umad101]

I love reading this thread over and over again. Thank you guys for owning Lakersreign. Kobe has an average basketball IQ. He's an incoming 17th year NBA Veteran. Kobe needs to involve his teammates in their offense.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
kobe does, they just dont know what to do with the ball

[9erempiree]

I am always baffled when people talk about the highest bball IQ players in the game today, and they bring up Kobe.

Kobe probably takes more bad shots than anyone, and has screwed his 2004 Lakers team away from a championship. So why is it that Russel Westbrook takes bad shots, they say he's dumb, but when Kobe takes bad shots, everyone say his basketball IQ is so high??

One word....

Coachbe.

[PistolPete44]

The Kobrick stans have gone too far...

[Pushxx]

Anybody that claims Kobe and LeBron don't have all-world basketball IQs is obviously a hater or an idiot.

[PJR]

The Kobrick stans have gone too far...

June was a rough month for them...:oldlol:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Then I woke up the next morning the same shit happened again

Everyday is the same day
Its Groundhog day

:facepalm

[longtime lurker]

I know this much. Kobe has a higher basketball IQ than the collective IQ of insidehoops :lol who honestly takes the OP seriously?

[Doctor Rivers]

I love reading this thread over and over again. Thank you guys for owning Lakersreign. Kobe has an average basketball IQ. He's an incoming 17th year NBA Veteran. Kobe needs to involve his teammates in their offense.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Why do you post?

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

kobe is actually a BAD finisher around the rim, also a BAD finisher of games
LOL. dude, he is 33 years old.
when he was younger he was the BEST finisher around the rim. And he has always been AMONG the best finisher of games. If you disagree, you are simply being a lame hater, as every single NBA personnel would agree with me.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Kobe basketball IQ is on par with MJ, Bird and Magic..
Its on par with MJ.
Both Bird and Magic are wayyy higher than MJ and Kobe.

[ProfessorMurder]

Why do people say Kobe has high basketball IQ?

Because they have low life IQ.

[RRR3]

LOL. dude, he is 33 years old.
when he was younger he was the BEST finisher around the rim. And he has always been AMONG the best finisher of games. If you disagree, you are simply being a lame hater, as every single NBA personnel would agree with me.
Lebron has always been the best finisher in the nba

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Lebron has always been the best finisher in the nba

You can't possibly be this fcking stupid.

[cltcfn2924]

And he's one of the best finishers as well. :eek:


That is a misconception.

[RRR3]

You can't possibly be this fcking stupid.
:lebronamazed:

[scandisk_]

I am always baffled when people talk about the highest bball IQ players in the game today, and they bring up Kobe.

Kobe probably takes more bad shots than anyone, and has screwed his 2004 Lakers team away from a championship. So why is it that Russel Westbrook takes bad shots, they say he's dumb, but when Kobe takes bad shots, everyone say his basketball IQ is so high??


https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/528891_474754115886451_892062983_n.jpg

:lol

[raprap]

Coz he chucked his way to 5 rings?

[chips93]

tex winter put it well, and im paraphrasing here but; 'kobe understand the correct move all the time, he just doesnt always make it'

[Punpun]

He doesn't have to follow the correct move all the time though. That's the difference between a GOATs and a normal player.

[Story Up]

First of all kobe skill level is unmatched.However when it comes to ingame decisions,he might be one of the worst superstars we have in NBA today.

That said kobe was a sidekick in the first three rings,you cant credit him like a FMVP him however you cant just just discredit him either.So there is fine line.If winning a ring was the only thing mattered we would be calling horry top 10 player of alltime or no one would rank kobe lower than hakeem or shaq.

Lebron carried his team just like kobe did in 2009 and 2010 or shaq did during 3peat.

You're a ****in moron, James would be 2nd fiddle to Shaq too in those years. Doesn't change the fact that Kobe was a superstar in 01 and 02, dominating in the playoffs and being a huge reason for the dynasty. Bosh and Wade is just as much help as Shaq, if not more. Only difference is James is superior to those two.

Fact is Kobe won 2 titles and led his team to 3 finals appearances, he has proven he wasn't just a 2nd fiddle but a legit superstar.

Will James ever prove that? Let's see...

And Kobe always gets discredited by dipshits like you, even when he had Pau people talked about how his front court is so good and giving all the credit to them.

[jstern]

s1 who has power to lose his team a ring by default is responsible at some level for winning them

you are critcizing him bcuz he only won 5? nice. jordan shoulda won 8 what u got against him?

He's criticizing him because his low IQ cost the Lakers a ring. In other words it would have been more than 5 rings.

[Story Up]

Would you say that Kobe was carried to his first ring in the 2000? 15.6 ppg on 37% shooting in the Finals. Shaq averaged 38 on 61% shooting. Went 12-4 without him in the starting line up that same season.

:confusedshrug:
Uhm you dipshits do know Kobe seriously injured his knee, I believe, early in that Indiana series. He was big in the other series's to get to the finals.

Shaq had Van Axel and Jones, why couldn't he win before Kobe became a started?

[taucesays]

Because he does. You know nothing about basketball if you can't acknowledge this.

[I<3NBA]

Kobe knows exactly what the right play is. he just won't do them. is that high basketball IQ?

what do you call a student who knows the answer in an exam but writes the wrong answer anyway? that's Kobe right there. knows the right play, makes the wrong moves anyway.

high basketball IQ? :lol

[tmacattack33]

There is no concrete definition of bball IQ. And even if there is, not everyone is using it.

So, everyone will include different things in their own definition of bball IQ.

Is court vision a skill or is it bball iq? How about shot selection? How about footwork in the post?