Portland Offers Roy Hibbert Max Deal

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm .

Sam Amick reporting that Neil Olshey offered Hibbert the max deal tonight. Obviously Pacers will match but wow. Dude only made an all star team last year because Horford was out and Pacers had a great improvement. 13 ppg, 9 rpg is not max money and he hasn't really improved as a pro very much.

[Trentknicks]

:facepalm .

Sam Amick reporting that Neil Olshey offered Hibbert the max deal tonight. Obviously Pacers will match but wow. Dude only made an all star team last year because Horford was out and Pacers had a great improvement. 15.5 ppg, 10.5 rpg is not max money and he hasn't really improved as a pro. Statistically over 4 seasons he's actually regressed.
:facepalm
Can only imagine what McGee, Asik, etc will get

[EnoughSaid]

When will this trend of overpaying centers and big men in general stop? This is really dumb. Max deal for a guy that wouldn't be able to carry a team by himself? :facepalm

[DurantFor40]

Clippers swept in second round. :lol

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm
Can only imagine what McGee, Asik, etc will get

I mean we know DeAndre and other bigs got overpaid bad... but damn man. Max deal for not even all star caliber center (if Horford was healthy as I said he wouldn't have made it). I agree though bigs are overpaid as fu**.

[Quizno]

:facepalm .

Sam Amick reporting that Neil Olshey offered Hibbert the max deal tonight. Obviously Pacers will match but wow. Dude only made an all star team last year because Horford was out and Pacers had a great improvement. 15.5 ppg, 10.5 rpg is not max money and he hasn't really improved as a pro. Statistically over 4 seasons he's actually regressed.
please explain to me how he's regressed statistically over his 4 seasons

[Clippersfan86]

please explain to me how he's regressed statistically over his 4 seasons

Career low in almost every statistic last year. His first season was arguably his best. You figure it out :confusedshrug: . At worst he's stayed the same which doesn't sound like a young player you give a max deal to if he's already not a true all star caliber player to begin with. I group him with borderline all star caliber players like Rudy Gay etc.

[EricGordon23]

Wow indiana will match but still ridiculous money.

[blacknapalm]

he's the best big on the market so it's no surprise he was going to get offered a max contract. quit looking at inflated per 36 numbers. hasn't improved as a pro? so becoming more polished in the post means nothing? his playoff numbers: 11.7 points, 11.2 rebounds and 3.1 blocks. he also commanded a ton of doubles this past year.

he's not a max level guy in a vacuum but it's the market that dictates the price and he's arguably the 3rd best FA on the market. bigs are a commodity these days and in general the top 2-3 FAs get offered a max deal just about every year, even if it's not warranted.

[WeGetRing2012]

And these will be the same owners yelling small markets can't compete :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

he's the best big on the market so it's no surprise he was going to get offered a max contract. quit looking at inflated per 36 numbers. hasn't improved as a pro? so becoming more polished in the post means nothing? his playoff numbers: 11.7 points, 11.2 rebounds and 3.1 blocks. he also commanded a ton of doubles this past year.

Didn't use PER 36 at all. Yea.. he's added more polish but what's the value on that if his raw production is the same or lower? Bottom line is dude isn't a legit all star therefor he CAN'T be worth max money :confusedshrug: . Nothing to argue. I agree he draws doubles and is a very nice player but the bottom line here is MAX player. I think maybe 10-15 players tops in the NBA are worth max money at any given time. Hibbert is nowhere near a marketable player, nor a top 20 talent so it doesn't fit.

[Quizno]

Career low in almost every statistic last year. His first season was arguably his best. You figure it out :confusedshrug: . At worst he's stayed the same which doesn't sound like a young player you give a max deal to if he's already not a true all star caliber player to begin with. I group him with borderline all star caliber players like Rudy Gay etc.
i guess you're looking at per 36 stats. fair enough, but last season was clearly his best. he was a game changing player and, as usual, stats don't tell the whole story. it's like saying blake griffin regressed last season because his stats weren't quite as good as his rookie season when he was clearly at least a bit better

[Trentknicks]

I mean we know DeAndre and other bigs got overpaid bad... but damn man. Max deal for not even all star caliber center (if Horford was healthy as I said he wouldn't have made it). I agree though bigs are overpaid as fu**.
DeAndre's contract is bad, but he didn't get wildy overpaid and got his money because of the lack of big men but also because of the potential/improvement he showed. Unlikely, but he could develop and earn his money.

I just don't see that with Hibbert, shouldn't have been an all star. No way he could ever earn it, but damn Blazers. I know they are dying for a big man to pair with LMA but a contract like this could cripple the organisation for years.

[dunksby]

Indiana are screwed either way :lol The Blazers will have a crazy front court though :bowdown:

[ispin69]

:wtf: They aren't planning to re-sign JJ Hickson?

[CelticBaller]

7'2 Center that has nothing but a bright future, especially in a league where good centers are rare


I'll do it

[Clippersfan86]

i guess you're looking at per 36 stats. fair enough, but last season was clearly his best. he was a game changing player and, as usual, stats don't tell the whole story. it's like saying blake griffin regressed last season because his stats weren't quite as good as his rookie season when he was clearly at least a bit better

Actually not using advanced stats. Just remember his overall raw numbers were down across the board this year, but didn't look it up on BR or anything right now. I agree he's a game changer, top 5 center and very valuable guy. It's specifically the MAX player thing that shocks me. I'm not trying to be a hypocrite here because DeAndre Jordan for example who's far worse is insanely overpaid at 11 mill a year. Thing is... this guy is looking at what 17 mill a year or something?

This overpaying to steal players or force teams to match is getting old. Clippers actually tried to pay DeAndre 8 mill a year and bitch ass Golden State drove the price up to 11.

[Clippersfan86]

:wtf: They aren't planning to re-sign JJ Hickson?

Nope. They didn't give him qualifying. He's unrestricted and unwanted by Portland.

[Quizno]

Actually not using advanced stats. Just remember his overall raw numbers were down across the board this year, but didn't look it up on BR or anything right now. I agree he's a game changer, top 5 center and very valuable guy. It's specifically the MAX player thing that shocks me. I'm not trying to be a hypocrite here because DeAndre Jordan for example who's far worse is insanely overpaid at 11 mill a year. Thing is... this guy is looking at what 17 mill a year or something?

This overpaying to steal players or force teams to match is getting old. Clippers actually tried to pay DeAndre 8 mill a year and bitch ass Golden State drove the price up to 11.
his numbers were completely up across the board, except assists which went from 2.0 to 1.7. points, rebounds, blocks, steals, fta, and fg% were all career highs

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hibbero01.html

[BlackVVaves]

i guess you're looking at per 36 stats. fair enough, but last season was clearly his best. he was a game changing player and, as usual, stats don't tell the whole story. it's like saying blake griffin regressed last season because his stats weren't quite as good as his rookie season when he was clearly at least a bit better

Regardless, you're arguing a mute point. Yes, I agree Clippersfan is exaggerating a bit when saying Hibbert has gotten progressively worst each year, however Hibbert, nonetheless, is NOT a max-type player. If 11 and 11 in the playoffs gets your max money these days, the league is going to lose ALOT of teams to financial suicide, ESPECIALLY with the new penalties of the CBA.

[Clippersfan86]

his numbers were completely up across the board, except assists which went from 2.0 to 1.7. points, rebounds, blocks, steals, fta, and fg% were all career highs

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hibbero01.html

Ah.... problem solved. I WAS apparently remembering the PER 36 numbers when I looked at them couple days ago. My bad on that.... I was wondering WTF you guys were talking about when two of you mentioned PER 36. Either way though we can probably agree that improvements have been small and slow.. which isn't what you want in a young, max player.

You gave a good example of Griffin's stats dropping despite him polishing his game in actuality and that applies to Hibbert 100 percent. I just don't think he produces enough, nor is marketable enough to deserve this.

[StateOfMind12]

I only think this is stupid because Portland already drafted a Center out of U of I in the lottery.

What is the point of drafting him if you are just going to offer/sign another Center in the free agent for the max? :confusedshrug:

[Quizno]

but yeah i think hibbert deserves 10-11 mil/year max, bigs are definitely overpaid

[Clippersfan86]

but yeah i think hibbert deserves 10-11 mil/year max, bigs are definitely overpaid

Just like DJ deserved 7-8 mill max. Unfortunately you have teams driving the price up big time and forcing teams to match. They need to fix that because it's annoying.

[BlackVVaves]

Ah.... problem solved. I WAS apparently remembering the PER 36 numbers when I looked at them couple days ago. My bad on that.... I was wondering WTF you guys were talking about when two of you mentioned PER 36. Either way though we can probably agree that improvements have been small and slow.. which isn't what you want in a young, max player.

You gave a good example of Griffin's stats dropping despite him polishing his game in actuality and that applies to Hibbert 100 percent. I just don't think he produces enough, nor is marketable enough to deserve this.

Improvements are still improvements, and far from regression, as you stated Hibbert had been experiencing.

[WeGetRing2012]

I only think this is stupid because Portland already drafted a Center out of U of I in the lottery.

What is the point of drafting him if you are just going to offer/sign another Center in the free agent for the max? :confusedshrug:

Portland was pretty bad in the draft. If they wanted a C they could have got Drummond for much cheaper.

[Clippersfan86]

Improvements are still improvements, and far from regression, as you stated Hibbert had been experiencing.

Which is why I admitted my inaccurate statement. I retract it and go from saying regress to slow progression. Hibbert isn't a baby. He's a very skilled, polished player going into his 5th season that's always had a skill based game. He was never raw like Griffin where he needs a lot of time to really put it together.

Nothing has indicated high upside or big leap in improvement.

[dbugz]

Blazers trolling the Pacers big time

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[InspiredLebowski]

:facepalm .

Sam Amick reporting that Neil Olshey offered Hibbert the max deal tonight. Obviously Pacers will match but wow. Dude only made an all star team last year because Horford was out and Pacers had a great improvement. 15.5 ppg, 10.5 rpg is not max money and he hasn't really improved as a pro. Statistically over 4 seasons he's actually regressed.This is just straight ignorance. The guy's gotten better every single year.

Anyway, as a Pacers fan, this is good. It means once we match it's 4.5% annual raises instead of 7.5%.

[hawkfan]

Hibbert's numbers went down this year because of David West.

If the Pacers lose Hibbert, then who do they have to play center?

Accordingly to the market of DeAndre Jordan getting 10.5 million, he's definitely worth a max level deal.

Plus bigs often do get better with age.

[ZenMaster]

Career low in almost every statistic last year. His first season was arguably his best. You figure it out :confusedshrug: . At worst he's stayed the same which doesn't sound like a young player you give a max deal to if he's already not a true all star caliber player to begin with. I group him with borderline all star caliber players like Rudy Gay etc.

Don't know where you get your stats, but last year he had career highs in points, rebounds, FG%, blocks and steals. He also commited fewer fouls and turnovers than the year before.

Oh and his rookie season was definitely the worst of his career.

You consider him the level of Rudy Gay, how much does he make???

[hawkfan]

This is just straight ignorance. The guy's gotten better every single year.

Anyway, as a Pacers fan, this is good. It means once we match it's 4.5% annual raises instead of 7.5%.

Why didn't the Pacers trade up to draft John Jenkins?
Would have fixed the shooting guard problems.

[Clippersfan86]

This is just straight ignorance. The guy's gotten better every single year.

Anyway, as a Pacers fan, this is good. It means once we match it's 4.5% annual raises instead of 7.5%.

By how much? Not as much as any other star in the NBA that commands a max salary. Dude is going into his 5th season and is 25 years old. Funny thing is dude came into the league more polished than 99 percent of modern day bigmen yet he still hasn't improved at a good enough pace. What's more is physically dude has an advantage over pretty much everybody being 7'2" 280 pounds.

[BlackVVaves]

Which is why I admitted my inaccurate statement. I retract it and go from saying regress to slow progression. Hibbert isn't a baby. He's a very skilled, polished player going into his 5th season that's always had a skill based game. He was never raw like Griffin where he needs a lot of time to really put it together.

Nothing has indicated high upside or big leap in improvement.

I think with more touches he could probably put up 18 PPG. He has to be more assertive in the post, and make sure he establishes himself on the block earlier in the shot clock.

He's definitely the best big that's been available the last two off seasons (not including Dwight's "availability" the last year or so), so though he's certainly not worth a max contract, I can understand the reasoning to overpay him, considering guys like DJ get $10 million dollar just to sit on the bench in the fourth quarter and lose minutes to the likes of Reggie Evans in the playoffs.

He should get paid. Just not paid like he's a first ballot HoFer.

[InspiredLebowski]

Why didn't the Pacers trade up to draft John Jenkins?
Would have fixed the shooting guard problems.Because John Jenkins is Kyle Korver if he's lucky. They bought Orlando Johnson's who much, much better.

[Clippersfan86]

Don't know where you get your stats, but last year he had career highs in points, rebounds, FG%, blocks and steals. He also commited fewer fouls and turnovers than the year before.

Oh and his rookie season was definitely the worst of his career.

You consider him the level of Rudy Gay, how much does he make???

Gay also got a contract he didn't deserve and Grizzlies fans as well as others admit that. I'm not saying Roy WON'T get a max deal or won't get overpaid... doesn't mean every time it happens I'm not going to think it's ridiculous, just like any other fan. My point was, fringe all star (made it by default last year) doesn't deserve max deal, Gay included.

[Clippersfan86]

I think with more touches he could probably put up 18 PPG. He has to be more assertive in the post, and make sure he establishes himself on the block earlier in the shot clock.

He's definitely the best big that's been available the last two off seasons (not including Dwight's "availability" the last year or so), so though he's certainly not worth a max contract, I can understand the reasoning to overpay him, considering guys like DJ get $10 million dollar just to sit on the bench in the fourth quarter and lose minutes to the likes of Reggie Evans in the playoffs.

He should get paid. Just not paid like he's a first ballot HoFer.

So we agree :confusedshrug: . You disagree with me about his potential but the idea that he will be far overpaid is something we agree on. I understand the whole big man premium deal but he should still be under max. What is the exact number for this contract anyways with new CBA? Like 4 years/60 mill or something?

[InspiredLebowski]

By how much? Not as much as any other star in the NBA that commands a max salary. Dude is going into his 5th season and is 25 years old. Funny thing is dude came into the league more polished than 99 percent of modern day bigmen yet he still hasn't improved at a good enough pace. What's more is physically dude has an advantage over pretty much everybody being 7'2" 280 pounds.You're just laughably wrong. He was embarrassing as a rookie, and well into his 2nd year. He wasn't polished in any way other than being big (and out of shape, which has been corrected).

If his improvement isn't a good enough pace then I don't know what the hell you expect. Paying Roy Hibbert ~13.5 mil next year isn't the problem. The problem is max contract that make him "comparable" to guys like Durant. There should be no "max" contract. That's an entirely different discussion though.

[Mr. Feeny]

Because John Jenkins is Kyle Korver if he's lucky. They bought Orlando Johnson's who much, much better.
This guy was the ONLY player worth watching here at UCSB, hoping he'll get to see some playing time this season!

[BlackVVaves]

So we agree :confusedshrug: . You disagree with me about his potential but the idea that he will be far overpaid is something we agree on. I understand the whole big man premium deal but he should still be under max. What is the exact number for this contract anyways with new CBA? Like 4 years/60 mill or something?

Yea pretty much :lol

Not sure about the contact, but it'll definitely weigh much heavier on the year to year salary, and just end sooner.

[Clippersfan86]

You're just laughably wrong. He was embarrassing as a rookie, and well into his 2nd year. He wasn't polished in any way other than being big (and out of shape, which has been corrected).

If his improvement isn't a good enough pace then I don't know what the hell you expect. Paying Roy Hibbert ~13.5 mil next year isn't the problem. The problem is max contract that make him "comparable" to guys like Durant. There should be no "max" contract. That's an entirely different discussion though.

Embarrassing because he was as weak as a fish and is a pathetic rebounder for his size. You realize at Georgetown the dude was known for his variety of post moves and killer hook shot right? Excellent touch at the rim? Good passer and solid jumper. You'll find that on scouting reports on Draftexpress as well as DraftNet too.

He was FAR from a "raw" prospect as most bigs from Georgetown rarely are.

13.5 mill a year is about right in the way of the recent trend of overpaying centers but he's worth 10-11 tops as Quizno said already.

[Clippersfan86]

Bottom line is... he's not worth 13.5 mill a year or w/e but WILL get it because he's a skilled center who's still young. I understand tons of players are overpaid but still surprises me every time. Max deals should be reserved for legit all star caliber players.

[RoseCity07]

Love this move. If we get Hibbert it's a sweet move for Portland. If not we just screwed Indiana over hard.

Portland screwed Utah over before, now we're doing it again to another team.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:eek:

Maybe Portland did this (knowing Indy would match) to screw the Pacers over in cap space?

[Xiao Yao You]

If the Pacers lose Hibbert, then who do they have to play center?



Al Jefferson! They have money to take him on.

[InspiredLebowski]

Embarrassing because he was as weak as a fish and is a pathetic rebounder for his size. You realize at Georgetown the dude was known for his variety of post moves and killer hook shot right? Excellent touch at the rim? Good passer and solid jumper. You'll find that on scouting reports on Draftexpress as well as DraftNet too.

He was FAR from a "raw" prospect as most bigs from Georgetown rarely are.

13.5 mill a year is about right in the way of the recent trend of overpaying centers but he's worth 10-11 tops as Quizno said already.And the report's wrong. I've seen every single game of the dude's NBA career. Have fun going through a bunch of DX profiles and prove how perfect they are. I watched the dude lumber up and down the floor after 5 minutes, watched him hang his arms over the top of every driving player on d, watched him bumble entry pass after entry pass. Draining baby hooks over 6'8 Big East centers isn't the same thing as playing in the NBA.

Look, you'll go round and round with no evidence to back up any of your points but your ignorant opinion and base PPG/RPG numbers because you can't admit you're wrong. I don't care to do that. I've seen literally every single game of this dude's pro career and watched him evolve from a stumbling bumbling nothing to an above average rebounder (that's right, check his rebound rate) that's become more efficient on a lower assist rate (meaning he can get the ball and make his own shot instead of just catching a dumpoff) and doing it all with completely inept guard passing.

If you want to continue being a moron about actual basketball then feel free.

[Xiao Yao You]

Love this move. If we get Hibbert it's a sweet move for Portland. If not we just screwed Indiana over hard.

Portland screwed Utah over before, now we're doing it again to another team.

Tried to screw them over for Millsap but after the initially front loaded payment he's been a bargain. Jazz should have matched Matthews too.

[spiegel]

Lillard, Batum, Aldridge an Hibbert very good core.

[Clippersfan86]

And the report's wrong. I've seen every single game of the dude's NBA career. Have fun going through a bunch of DX profiles and prove how perfect they are. I watched the dude lumber up and down the floor after 5 minutes, watched him hang his arms over the top of every driving player on d, watched him bumble entry pass after entry pass. Draining baby hooks over 6'8 Big East centers isn't the same thing as playing in the NBA.

Look, you'll go round and round with no evidence to back up any of your points but your ignorant opinion and base PPG/RPG numbers because you can't admit you're wrong. I don't care to do that. I've seen literally every single game of this dude's pro career and watched him evolve from a stumbling bumbling nothing to an above average rebounder (that's right, check his rebound rate) that's become more efficient on a lower assist rate (meaning he can get the ball and make his own shot instead of just catching a dumpoff) and doing it all with completely inept guard passing.

If you want to continue being a moron about actual basketball then feel free.

I'm well aware of the fact that if I need a detailed report on his game you'd be more qualified since you're a fan of the team. Bottom line though is he's not producing at an all star level, nor was he ever raw like let's say a DeAndre Jordan or Blake Griffin. In comparison to most centers the guy has always had a soft touch in the paint and a variety of moves. I'm not saying he hasn't improved, just saying you're exaggerating his improvements to justify what you know is a bad contract.

I can't remember ever before a 13 and 9 guy getting a max deal. This guy is a mammoth and is the biggest center in the NBA right now if I remember and should be producing more. Marc Gasol got the max deal last year and is clearly a better player and even that is probably a bit much. Nothing to argue here, it's overpay.

[sacredcow]

I wonder with news of Roy considering the Pacers that the Blazers did this to screw with their cap space. :lol

[InspiredLebowski]

I'm well aware that if I needed a detailed report on his game you'd be more qualified since you're a fan of the team. Bottom line though is he's not producing at an all star level, nor was he ever raw like let's say a DeAndre Jordan or Blake Griffin. In comparison to most centers the guy has always had a soft touch in the paint and a variety of moves. I'm not saying he hasn't improved, just saying you're exaggerating his improvements to justify what you know is a bad contract.

I can't remember ever before a 13 and 9 guy getting a max deal. This guy is a mammoth and is the biggest center in the NBA right now if I remember and should be producing more. Marc Gasol got the max deal last year and is clearly a better player and even that is probably a bit much. Nothing to argue here, it's overpay.Tell me why Marc Gasol's "clearly better" without mentioning PPG/RPG.

[Clippersfan86]

Tell me why Marc Gasol's "clearly better" without mentioning PPG/RPG.

More consistent scorer, better passer, more efficient all around player. I'd say they are pretty equal rebounders and defenders at this point but Gasol is such a better passer and scorer that yes it becomes "clearly". Gasol is also a lights out free throw shooter for a center which is a very big bonus (yes I'm aware Hibbert is solid there).

[SyRyanYang]

It's free market dude. :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Lillard, Batum, Aldridge an Hibbert very good core.

It better be because Aldridge, Hibbert and Batum will be taking up most of the cap by themselves.

[LJJ]

Portland always does this.

If all teams were as cunning as Portland free agency would be a lot more interesting.

[Clippersfan86]

Neil Olshey: "I think of LaMarcus and Nicholas as our CP3 and Blake Griffin"

:roll: :roll: . How can anybody take this man seriously lately? Then he meets with a solid, not great center and throws the bank at him :facepalm .

[Wavy Crockett]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :biggums:

[Xiao Yao You]

Portland always does this.

If all teams were as cunning as Portland free agency would be a lot more interesting.

You mean if all teams had money to burn.

[TBlazed]

Neil Olshey: "I think of LaMarcus and Nicholas as our CP3 and Blake Griffin"

:roll: :roll: . How can anybody take this man seriously lately? Then he meets with a solid, not great center and throws the bank at him :facepalm .
Uhh, how can anyone take you seriously?

Now that the clips are decent you can come out of your shell?
He's from the Clippers organization so of course he's speaking in those terms.

[EricGordon23]

Indiana can match that right?

[Clippersfan86]

Uhh, how can anyone take you seriously?

Now that the clips are decent you can come out of your shell?
He's from the Clippers organization so of course he's speaking in those terms.

So you're accusing me of being passive or quiet prior to last season despite mounds of evidence saying otherwise? I've always been confident in general :confusedshrug: . Just saying... this is a guy who's referring to Batum/Aldridge as legit franchise players (Aldridge might be... but Batum LOL?) then comparing them to all star starters in CP3/BG. Not exactly an unbiased guy.

Besides in this particular case I was just having a little joke at his expense because of the max offer sheet.

[Clippersfan86]

Indiana can match that right?

Of course. He's restricted. :D

[Haymaker]

Indy should let him go. They will be stuck with a huge contract for long and he's a gamble right now. His ceiling might not be much more higher than where he stands right now.

[Clippersfan86]

Indy should let him go. They will be stuck with a huge contract for long and he's a gamble right now. His ceiling might not be much more higher than where he stands right now.

I'm thinking they should keep him mainly because they need him in the paint but I agree he will likely not improve much.

[LJJ]

You mean if all teams had money to burn.

All teams do have money to burn, but most likely this move won't cost any money to the offering team at all.

[Fiasco]

lol, good grief

[ispin69]

Nope. They didn't give him qualifying. He's unrestricted and unwanted by Portland.

How do you not re-sign this..for 4mil?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi9AHvhUh9Q

[Clippersfan86]

How do you not re-sign this..for 4mil?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi9AHvhUh9Q

Stupidity. He's extremely talented and teams keep passing him up. I'd love him on the Clippers but he wouldn't want to be a back up.

[blacknapalm]

Indy should let him go. They will be stuck with a huge contract for long and he's a gamble right now. His ceiling might not be much more higher than where he stands right now.

indy are a player or two from being real contenders and you suggest they should let their top 5 C just walk? not gonna happen. he'll get overpaid, but look around the league and you'll find overpaid contracts all over. this won't be an albatross or one of the worst contracts by a long shot.

the market dictates the price. he's the best big on the market and every year, you're going to find the top 2-3 FA's get a max offer. just go back and look. honestly, hibbert getting a max contract was to be expected. sbnation and SI both figured as much. it's not like the rest of the league hasn't taken notice either....

He's a stud," an Eastern Conference general manager said. "He would fit in on any team."

[All Net]

What The hell was the point of the lockout again? Seriously?

[nbaballllller]

portlands offer is not a big deal at all.

Indiana is going to match anything so its obvious that teams would throw a max at him to drive up the price.

as mentioned earlier, the dude is def not worth the max. he averaged 12 and 12 on 48% in 32 mins against the heat in the playoffs (who were playing him with 6ft 8 defenders lmao ).

the dudes 7 ft 2 and 280... and he averaged 12 dam points?

fken crazy.

the whole situation is ridiculous but in this market expected

[El Kabong]

LMA and Hibbert would be a pretty good front court, but I can't see Indy letting him go.

[RoseCity07]

Lol at keeping Hickson. I like the guy as a back up but that guy was playing hard for a contract. Everyone knows it. He is not what a good enough defender to justify starting at center.

[Xiao Yao You]

All teams do have money to burn, but most likely this move won't cost any money to the offering team at all.

All teams don't have multi billionaire owners. The Jazz had to take out a loan to pay the 10 million dollar signing bonus that Portland put in Millsap's offer sheet.

[Wavves]

Neil Olshey: "I think of LaMarcus and Nicholas as our CP3 and Blake Griffin"

:roll: :roll: . How can anybody take this man seriously lately? Then he meets with a solid, not great center and throws the bank at him :facepalm .

You're the worst poster on this board.

How can you laugh at an organization for 'throwing money' at an ALL STAR, when your pathetic flopping team that is LA 'threw money' at a absolute dud in Deandre Jordan. You're an absolute hypocrite.

[LJJ]

All teams don't have multi billionaire owners. The Jazz had to take out a loan to pay the 10 million dollar signing bonus that Portland put in Millsap's offer sheet.

The Jazz have more salaries on the books than Portland right now. Even if you would include Hibbert.

So that renders your argument completely moot. They do have money to burn, and they do it at a rate higher than even Portland with their billionaire owner.

[InspiredLebowski]

More consistent scorer, better passer, more efficient all around player. I'd say they are pretty equal rebounders and defenders at this point but Gasol is such a better passer and scorer that yes it becomes "clearly". Gasol is also a lights out free throw shooter for a center which is a very big bonus (yes I'm aware Hibbert is solid there).Their TS% was .3% in Gasol's favor. Gasol's assist rate is surprisingly much higher, so I guess I have no argument there, but Hibbert's no slouch. The defensive rating's not close though, Hibbert is very much a better defensive player than Gasol. And they're probably both going to wind up with very similar contracts. Nevermind that when Gasol signed his big deal he put up remarkably similar (REALLY similar) #s to Hibbert.

I'm not arguing that given his impact he's overpaid. That's the name of the game, be tall, get money. But people acting like it's ludicrous when two teams (Portland and probably Houston), both of which are known to be fairly shrewd and intelligent, is just dumb.

And it's not comparable to Millsap. Millsap was in the division and had no other offer that approached his Portland offer sheet (far as I know). They frontloaded it specifically trying to put Utah in a bind and now Utah's got Millsap on a great cap friendly deal.

[Rowe]

This deal sets a terrible precedent for McGee, Lopez twins, & Kaman.

[Xiao Yao You]

Sam Amick: Indiana did not offer a max deal, and Hibbert is now leaning to Blazers unless Pacers match. One other unnamed team offered max. Twitter

[Umad101]

When will it be my turn for a max contract:confusedshrug:

[HylianNightmare]

That's ****ing pathetic

[blazerjimmy]

Not a fan of offering Hibbert a max contract - like him as a player and I realize that the only way we're going to get him away from the Pacers is to pay him max money, I really don't think that it's a good idea.

[Meticode]

Wow, if this is true and Indiana matches it, they're going to get raped for money. he's a good center at all, but no where near a max deal. his numbers were barely better than Anderson f*cking Varejao before Wild Thing got injured.

[coin24]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Wow... So as expected, GMs learnt nothing from the lockout and are still handing out idiotic contracts:facepalm

[Faptastrophe]

I don't really get why everyone's surprised. Yeah, it's a disgusting amount of money and your team would ideally spend it more evenly across the team, but that's the going rate for an all-star centre. I'm fine with it.

[miles berg]

In a world where Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan got the deals they got last year...this is a relative bargain.

[Darius]

Can a team w hibbert as its best player win a championship?

This is crazy... I agree centers are rare but you need think about the salary cap. Indiana is not going to pay the new luxury tax and you have one guy taking up 1/4th of the cap? They should let him walk

[LBJDW305]

Bird new this was coming....Smart man

[ILLsmak]

Portland is douchey.

They did this shit with Wes Matthews.

It puts Indy and Hibbert in an odd position.

If Hibbert wasn't a cool guy I'd say let him go and let Portland continue to fade into obscurity.

-Smak

[All Net]

Sam Amick: Indiana did not offer a max deal, and Hibbert is now leaning to Blazers unless Pacers match. One other unnamed team offered max. Twitter

Latest is Indy will up their offer.

[NuggetsFan]

Makes me extremely scared for what teams will offer McGee. Really hope Asik, Hibbert drain some teams pockets so he doesn't end up getting a retarded offer.

Offers like this put teams in such a bad spot. The NBA market is such trash. If INDY doesn't match they don't get better. Their trying to build something. How can you not match? Sure you'd save money but you'd be walking away from the goal of winning games. Not matching Hibbert isn't really going to do much longterm. Give you extra cash for FA you probably won't sign.

Your either forced with overpaying somebody to get better or letting them walk and regressing or not improving.

[Raz]

he hasn't really improved as a pro very much.

Really? You're going to stand by that statement?

[jbryan1984]

I mean, that's just what is going to happen with centers man. They are in high demand to be at the level Roy Hibbert is. He may not even be a top 30 player in the NBA but he is probably a top 3 center and teams need centers, badly.

[longtime lurker]

For all you posters saying the market dictates that centers get over payed do you no realize that these idiot GM's are the market? If they would make offers with a bit of sense and more performance based incentives there wouldn't be a lockout in the first place. As a GM you should consider if at any time during his contract your player will be making more than Lebron James then it's a bad contract. That being said I don't know what the max means if we're talking 17 million then :biggums: but if it's in the 12-13 million dollar range then that's completely reasonable.

[LA_Showtime]

For all you posters saying the market dictates that centers get over payed do you no realize that these idiot GM's are the market? If they would make offers with a bit of sense and more performance based incentives there wouldn't be a lockout in the first place. As a GM you should consider if at any time during his contract your player will be making more than Lebron James then it's a bad contract. That being said I don't know what the max means if we're talking 17 million then :biggums: but if it's in the 12-13 million dollar range then that's completely reasonable.

No kidding. I like how the owners bitch about parity and then you see them pay role players like they're superstars. In theory it's nice to blame the system, but reality says it's the fault of the owners.

[NumberSix]

Wow. I thought Nene and Chandler were overpayed.

[bagelred]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS

RFA Roy Hibbert's four-year, max offer sheet from Portland is worth $58.4M. Pacers center leaning that way. Indy has three days to match.

:eek:

Hibbert's knees hurt just thinking about that offer.

[Qwyjibo]

Ooooh, only 3 days to match? It used to be 7 didn't it? Part of the new CBA?

I like it.

[longtime lurker]

Indiana will match, but I don't wanna hear any crap about how big market teams screw small market teams considering Portland come up with the outlandish offer here.

[CLTHornets4eva]

While it is a horrible offer for both Portland and Indy, it is one thing that he is 25 years old and not 29 like Joe Johnson was offered.

I can already tell I don't like Portland's GM

[AAckley1]

Lebowski (or anyone else really),

Can you estimate what our cap space would be if we match as well as if we don't match?

[AMISTILLILL]

Shelden Williams and Ronny Turiaf 'bout to get 4 year/$40 million deals somewhere.

[NugzFan]

:facepalm
Can only imagine what McGee, Asik, etc will get

McGee should get less since he's not as good as hibbert

[Blue&Orange]

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS

RFA Roy Hibbert's four-year, max offer sheet from Portland is worth $58.4M. Pacers center leaning that way. Indy has three days to match.
Are people really laughing at this offer? The league have absolutely no decent centers, a 36 year old PF is still one of the best bigs in the game.

Context is everything, $14.6 mil per year for Hibbert sounds about right. Indiana should offer him a 5 year contract at a lower yearly average, that extra year will make Hibbert sign.

[Joshumitsu]

I think it's also to mess with Indiana's cap space. That's great if you can get Hibbert but realistically, Indy will want to match.

Since the Blazers have no shot at any major free agent, they must deny other teams as much cap space as possible.

We did this to Utah w/ Wes Mathews.

[Scoooter]

This guy is 7 feet of baby-soft molasses. A legit max center would have feasted on Miami's front line.

No thanks.

[FireDavidKahn]

Ooooh, only 3 days to match? It used to be 7 didn't it? Part of the new CBA?

I like it.
Not yet. We have to wait until July 11th before the 3 days start.

[NugzFan]

I think it's also to mess with Indiana's cap space. That's great if you can get Hibbert but realistically, Indy will want to match.

Since the Blazers have no shot at any major free agent, they must deny other teams as much cap space as possible.

We did this to Utah w/ Wes Mathews.

god i hope portland think hibbert is worth it because if they dont, and they did this just to mess with indy and they are stuck paying hibbert a ton in 4 years, they will regret it.

[Dro]

for everybody ripping on roy its kinda hard to score when your teammates cant even throw a decent post pass when he got the ball he was pretty effective.

[Xiao Yao You]

Makes me extremely scared for what teams will offer McGee. Really hope Asik, Hibbert drain some teams pockets so he doesn't end up getting a retarded offer.

Offers like this put teams in such a bad spot. The NBA market is such trash. If INDY doesn't match they don't get better. Their trying to build something. How can you not match? Sure you'd save money but you'd be walking away from the goal of winning games. Not matching Hibbert isn't really going to do much longterm. Give you extra cash for FA you probably won't sign.

Your either forced with overpaying somebody to get better or letting them walk and regressing or not improving.

Not really. Jazz let Boozer go to Chicago and got a cheaper and better option in Jefferson with the TPE from the sign and trade. Indiana has options.

[mentallooser]

for everybody ripping on roy its kinda hard to score when your teammates cant even throw a decent post pass when he got the ball he was pretty effective.
The sad part is that they can certainly throw a good post pass. Their offense just makes absolutely no sense. It has no flow or consistency. They have weapons, they don't seem to have any idea of how to use them right.

[Linspired]

this is a proof that current NBA lacks center depth. i wouldn't call it a centerless era anymore, but still guys like hibbert is an interchangeable piece, not a cornerstone of the franchise.

[Kujo]

Pacers have to match. They can't afford to loose Hibbert. They have a good thing going.

To Hibbert's defense in that Miami series, I do recall him beasting in the games they won. They stopped getting him the ball, and started jacking up shots.

[D-Rose]

Would assume Indiana will match, but he sure would be nice alongside LMA. It must be good to be 7 feet tall!

[Xiao Yao You]

Mike Wells: The Pacers are already looking at other options at center. They've reached to out Omer Asik, who was with Chicago last season Twitter

[Derka]

Avoid Portland, Roy. Careers go there to end.

[Myth]

I don't think that is too much for Hibbert. I really hope Indy doesn't match. $15M a year for arguably the 3rd best center in the league is fair value. Also, Portland won't have a chance to sign a better FA in the next couple of years, so this is really our only means of improving the team without getting an aging, declining veteran.

[Droid101]

Why not see who gave the Heat the most trouble in the playoffs.

Pacers, with two legit low post players.

Celtics, with the best low post player they faced (Garnett).

You need bigs to beat the Heat.

[leopoldstotch]

:lol

poor Pacers.

[leopoldstotch]

Avoid Portland, Roy. Careers go there to end.

+1. it all goes downhill from here. :(

[Meticode]

Why not see who gave the Heat the most trouble in the playoffs.

Pacers, with two legit low post players.

Celtics, with the best low post player they faced (Garnett).

You need bigs to beat the Heat.
I agree, but bad example since those teams all lost to the Heat anyway with Bosh out a lot of the time. Better example would be the Mavericks with Chandler. I understand where you're coming from though, they shouldn't have been taken to 6 or 7 games by the Celtics or Pacers, but I feel part of it was because Bosh was gone.

[NOHCP3]

This guy is 7 feet of baby-soft molasses. A legit max center would have feasted on Miami's front line.

No thanks.
:roll: :roll: love the baby molasses.

Gotta say I expected this though. As unimpressive as Hibbert can be at times he's still a top 10 center no doubt. Perhaps on a good day top5. People are saying its a dbag move by Portland but its just good business IMO

[Clippersfan86]

David Aldridge: "Roy Hibbert Was "Blown Away" By Blazers GM Neil Olshey.

Doesn't surprise me... dude is the hands down smoothest talker in the NBA I've ever heard. He was an ex actor and salesman so not surprising. Unfortunately he's a conniving snake.

[BallsOut]

Could anyone imagine a Roy Hibbert and LMA frontcourt? :eek:

[EoJ]

[QUOTE]Sources: Chris Kaman visits with Pacers tomorrow. Solid, affordable alternative to suddenly

[Kiddlovesnets]

Roy Hibberts must pray for his knee if he goes to Portland.
:D

[KyrieTheFuture]

What a god damn joke. Dude deserves half that.