Has Billy King taken the title from Isiah Thomas as worst GM of all time?

[Sarcastic]

Yes or no?

[wang4three]

Scott Layden

[Sarcastic]

Scott Layden

Must be something in the water around here. :confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

Nobody will ever take that away from Isiah Thomas.

[Punpun]

Not when you have infinite fund no.

[RRR3]

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And the most hilarious picture of all...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nmHlqBtuOwk/TGAVJSl0ldI/AAAAAAAAC2w/BHEkFDEgBC8/s1600/thomas_james.jpg


Did he think he was getting a different "Mr. James"? :oldlol:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Does he have a rule named after him? No. Ted Stepien is the worst.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Scott Layden or Jim Paxson. Billy is picking up steam though at an alarming rate. People can't forget how bad he was in Philly. Layden is probably the worst imo. At least Isiah could draft. Layden gave out awful contracts to role players (Eisley, Weatherspoon, etc), gave Houston the max, and couldn't draft worth a shit.

[Clippersfan86]

Nets actually made a great trade AND wormed out of having to give up Marshon Brooks. Not sure what you guys are bitching about. Even without Howard a squad of...

D Will
JJ
Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

6th man: Brooks

is formidable.

[tpols]

Nets actually made a great trade AND wormed out of having to give up Marshon Brooks. Not sure what you guys are bitching about. Even without Howard a squad of...

D Will
JJ
Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

6th man: Brooks

is formidable.
Exactly.. we went from being in the gutter possibly losing everyone to having a team that will compete out on the floor. Cant wait to see NY-NJ games next season:lol

[RRR3]

Exactly.. we went from being in the gutter possibly losing everyone to having a team that will compete out on the floor. Cant wait to see NY-NJ games next season:lol
I thought you were a Lakers fan?

[Rowe]

Yes.

He's a far worse GM than Zeke.

[Clippersfan86]

Exactly.. we went from being in the gutter possibly losing everyone to having a team that will compete out on the floor. Cant wait to see NY-NJ games next season:lol

Yup. I'm surprised you guys were able to ink Wallace that quickly. I thought he wanted out for sure :confusedshrug: .

[tpols]

I thought you were a Lakers fan?
Im from NJ and have always rooted for the Nets my whole life.. been to 10+ games NBA games all Nets. I even have an autographed Vince Carter playball from when I was a little kid lol. But Ive been rooting for LA in the playoffs the last few years mainly because of this forum. There's two sides- Lakers and Lebron and I chose Lakers.:lol

[Crown&Coke]

he should have never gotten the Jersey job after he got sent home from philly.

but Zeke thinks talent=success

and that didn't fly, ask Starbury and Franchise how well they emulated Clyde the Glide and Black Jesus to get a ring

[FireDavidKahn]

Not yet. He still has a WAYS to go.

[RRR3]

Im from NJ and have always rooted for the Nets my whole life.. been to 10+ games NBA games all Nets. I even have an autographed Vince Carter playball from when I was a little kid lol. But Ive been rooting for LA in the playoffs the last few years mainly because of this forum. There's two sides- Lakers and Lebron and I chose Lakers.:lol
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I think the Snoop in Lakers gear avatar threw me off lol

[CLTHornets4eva]

Nets actually made a great trade AND wormed out of having to give up Marshon Brooks. Not sure what you guys are bitching about. Even without Howard a squad of...

D Will
JJ
Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

6th man: Brooks

is formidable.

4 Seed tops for the next 4 years... You are the new Hawks. Enjoy mediocrity until you rebuild again in 3 years.

[Heavincent]

Exactly.. we went from being in the gutter possibly losing everyone to having a team that will compete out on the floor. Cant wait to see NY-NJ games next season:lol

I agree. Nets will be respectable this season if Deron resigns. I might even go see them play if the tickets aren't too expensive.

[Clippersfan86]

4 Seed tops for the next 4 years... You are the new Hawks. Enjoy mediocrity until you rebuild again in 3 years.

Never know dude. Nobody is saying they have title aspirations but they have great cap flexibility with JJ even. They can still add more and keep improving.

[RRR3]

I agree. Nets will be respectable this season if Deron resigns. I might even go see them play if the tickets aren't too expensive.
Disguise yourself as Sasha Vujacic and see if you can make the team:lol

[hawkfan]

Traded away Derrick Favors, draft pick that became Enes Kanter, draft pick that became Damian Lillard, Anthony Morrow, DeShawn Stevenson, and another first round pick.

Just horrible.

[Rowe]

Nets actually made a great trade AND wormed out of having to give up Marshon Brooks. Not sure what you guys are bitching about. Even without Howard a squad of...

D Will
JJ
Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

6th man: Brooks

is formidable.
Without Howard there is no D-Will.

I honestly think this move pushes him to Dallas.

He just acquired the worst contract in the NBA.

Billy King has no clue what he's doing as a GM and he proved that with the handling of AI's finals years in Philly. The one thing Billy King never had was an owner to sign off on Free Agent signings unlike Isiah had with Dolan.

[tpols]

4 Seed tops for the next 4 years... You are the new Hawks. Enjoy mediocrity until you rebuild again in 3 years.
Well Orlando's gonna suck next year.. NJ should be better than Atlanta next year.. Bulls will be hurting w/o Rose all year. I made a thread about this a while ago. The East is going to suck. It's Boston, Miami, and maybe NY as contenders. So Brooklyn, if they fullfil their potential will have a chance to just be competitive.. which is all anyone can ask for especially with how bad the Nets have been the past few years and how grim things looked up to the draft.

[ZHAKIDD532]

If Deron Williams stays, the Nets will look like this:

Deron Williams
Joe Johnson
Gerald Wallace
...a power forward...
Brook Lopez

MarShon Brooks off the bench, possibly Jason Kidd as well. The Nets don't give a sh*t about the money, Prokhorov is loaded. From a purely basketball perspective, that's a good team.

[DuMa]

they made ok moves. i mean they didnt get eddy curry and steve francis or anythng like that

[Clippersfan86]

Without Howard there is no D-Will.

I honestly think this move pushes him to Dallas.

He just acquired the worst contract in the NBA.

Billy King has no clue what he's doing as a GM and he proved that with the handling of AI's finals years in Philly. The one thing Billy King never had was an owner to sign off on Free Agent signings unlike Isiah had with Dolan.

Deron is staying in NJ IMO. Most rumblings are that he's staying and after a 5 minute meeting with Dallas I wouldn't be worried as a Nets fan. I'd rather stay move to Brooklyn in a new arena... with better fanbase and have a younger team with nice pieces than join the aging Mavs and play with 33 or 34 year old Dirk. It's a no brainer in my eyes. Howard won't re-sign with Mavs according to newest reports.

[ZHAKIDD532]

Without Howard there is no D-Will.

I honestly think this move pushes him to Dallas.

He just acquired the worst contract in the NBA.

Billy King has no clue what he's doing as a GM and he proved that with the handling of AI's finals years in Philly. The one thing Billy King never had was an owner to sign off on Free Agent signings unlike Isiah had with Dolan.
At this point, the Nets don't sneeze without asking DWill if it's OK. They never would've made the deal if Deron Williams wasn't all for it.

[tmacattack33]

Isiah wins.

[Rowe]

Traded away Derrick Favors, draft pick that became Enes Kanter, draft pick that became Damian Lillard, Anthony Morrow, DeShawn Stevenson, and another first round pick.

Just horrible.

Prokorov has no clue about basketball.

He just cuts the checks for Billy King to make shortsighted moves with no purpose. The Gerald Wallace deal was without question one of the dumbest moves in the last decade. A declining, unhappy player being dealt for a Top 3 protected pick made no sense.

[tpols]

Without Howard there is no D-Will.
.
You never know..

And Deron isnt winning shit in Dallas. Like the Mavs would be able to beat the Thunder next year? Or the Lakers? And if they make the finals you think Lebron is losing to them again? :roll: :roll: Come on. The Nets with JJ/Lopez/Crash/Marshon are argualy better than the Mavs and they're much younger.

Deron + Dirk would have a 2 year MAX championship window.. and it just so happens theyre in the tougher conference and are coinciding with two dyansty potential teams in their primes.

[Raz]

And the most hilarious picture of all...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nmHlqBtuOwk/TGAVJSl0ldI/AAAAAAAAC2w/BHEkFDEgBC8/s1600/thomas_james.jpg
Did he think he was getting a different "Mr. James"? :oldlol:

He did, until he woke up from his OD
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[Rowe]

At this point, the Nets don't sneeze without asking DWill if it's OK. They never would've made the deal if Deron Williams wasn't all for it.
I've never seen a GM let 1 player grip an entire franchise by the balls like this.

Did they ask Deron about the Wallace deal?

Only for him to make open-ended comments saying he never chose to be on the Nets. :lol

This whole thing is getting more and more ridiculous.

The only next step from here is trading for Amare.

[Rowe]

You never know..

And Deron isnt winning shit in Dallas. Like the Mavs would be able to beat the Thunder next year? Or the Lakers? And if they make the finals you think Lebron is losing to them again? :roll: :roll: Come on. The Nets with JJ/Lopez/Crash/Marshon are argualy better than the Mavs and they're much younger.

Deron + Dirk would have a 2 year MAX championship window.. and it just so happens theyre in the tougher conference and are coinciding with two dyansty potential teams in their primes.

Dirk is declining. What you say is true.

But as a player which Front Office would you trust to ensure you're competitive for a NBA Championship? Nelson/Cuban or King/Prokorov?

I understand the appeal of NYC. Great place to be famous.

But from a basketball perspective it's an easy decision to go to Dallas.

[Raz]

But as a player which Front Office would you trust to ensure you're competitive for a NBA Championship? Nelson/Cuban or King/Prokorov?


I'd pick Brooklyn and play at the minimum, and ask for King to be fired, and I would want to be the GM. I'd be happy to be a player/ coach as well. So pay me the coaches salary - no cap there.

I'd collect a team of super friends and dominate - Oh, wait...

[D12"Magic"]

Nets did not get Howard, so?

Deron
Johnson
Crash
Hump
Lopez

Green and Brooks off the bench and Deron is likely off to Dallas? No

Nets have put them selves in good position to win games.

Dont see what Billy is doing wrong tbh.

[tpols]

Nets did not get Howard, so?

Deron
Johnson
Crash
Hump
Lopez

Green and Brooks off the bench and Deron is likely off to Dallas?

Nets have put them selves in good position to win games.

Dont see what Billy is doing wrong tbh.
Only thing he did wrong was the Wallace trade.. but on this team right here? Wallace fits much much better than the 5th pick would have. Billy may have just redeemed himself because getting JJ secures Deron way better than before:applause:

[Clippersfan86]

Only thing he did wrong was the Wallace trade.. but on this team right here? Wallace fits much much better than the 5th pick would have. Billy may have just redeemed himself because getting JJ secures Deron way better than before:applause:

Wallace is going to be better than that pick and already is. Biggest reason people criticized you guys for trade is everybody thought Wallace was a one year rental. He's a VERY underrated and valuable all around talent.

[tpols]

Wallace is going to be better than that pick and already is. Biggest reason people criticized you guys for trade is everybody thought Wallace was a one year rental. He's a VERY underrated and valuable all around talent.
Yup.. and his style will fit perfectly with JJ and Deron. JJ relieves Deron of the scoring burden that has been put on him the last two years so he can go back to what he does best in just making plays off the dribble.. and Wallace is the ultimate hustle/rebounds/awkward Shawn Marion like intangibles guy that will lock guys down on the perimeter, run the break, and crash the glass like no other especially with all the offensive pressure being taken off his shoulders by Brook/Dwill/JJ. and even marshon.

[Owl]

Does he have a rule named after him? No. Ted Stepien is the worst.
Was Ted Stepien a GM? No, Stepien was the Cavs owner.


Nets actually made a great trade AND wormed out of having to give up Marshon Brooks. Not sure what you guys are bitching about. Even without Howard a squad of...

D Will
JJ
Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

6th man: Brooks

is formidable.
You say even without Howard as though Howard is still in play for them.

Now if the question is have the Nets got better in the short term, then yes they have (IF they keep Williams, which these moves really should prevent from happening but maybe he's not that great at evaluating talent).

But have they took on bad contracts to do so, you bet they have.

Joe Johnson's demise may have been exagerated by those who looked at his falling ppg, in truth its high point was exaggerated by playing 41.4 minutes a night. Still the idea that he was never that great to begin with, that even at the peak of his game, his PER never broke 20, peaking at 19.5 when he was the undisputed star is hardly a comforting one.

He's now 31, and the Nets would be committed to 4 more years of an OLD max (pre-new CBA) deal worth $89,295,016 over those years climaxing with the 2016 season in which he will be paid nearly 25 mil at age 34, and he wasn't that great to begin with.

So that's not a great building block.

Gerald Wallace, though younger, genuinely is getting worse. He's injury prone, his game is predicated on being athletic and he's aging badly. His numbers (specifically PER but in largely across the board) have fallen each year since '09 and he arguably peaked in 2006 when he was getting 2+ blocks and steals (each) almost 8 boards plus 16 points on almost 54% from the field. Now he's barely averaging, getting worse every year and will continue to do so on what is an expensive contract under the new CBA. It's a poor deal in year 1 and will only get worse.

I actually opened a thread earlier about how awful the decision was to sign Wallace but the Johnson move is even worse.

And they will be stuck with being however good they are for years because these deals remove all flexibility and if they are to keep guys like Williams, Humphries and Lopez, they will end up paying big luxury tax bills. And once you back yourself into a corner and have little room to manouver teams (with poor GMs) tend to panic and do worse deals for short term fixes (see the Knicks for the 2000s, Orlando for the past few years).

Is King the worst GM because of all this? Probably not. Isiah was not only bad but also a very public PR nightmare. Layden and Babcock and others probably also deserve consideration off the top of my head. But King is now definitely at their level amongst the very worst GMs.

[R.I.P.]

Nets did not get Howard, so?

Deron
Johnson
Crash
Hump
Lopez

Green and Brooks off the bench and Deron is likely off to Dallas? No

Nets have put them selves in good position to win games.

Dont see what Billy is doing wrong tbh.

I agree that

[Rowe]

Yup.. and his style will fit perfectly with JJ and Deron. JJ relieves Deron of the scoring burden that has been put on him the last two years so he can go back to what he does best in just making plays off the dribble.. and Wallace is the ultimate hustle/rebounds/awkward Shawn Marion like intangibles guy that will lock guys down on the perimeter, run the break, and crash the glass like no other especially with all the offensive pressure being taken off his shoulders by Brook/Dwill/JJ. and even marshon.

I understand your point on JJ helping take scoring pressure off Deron.

However Wallace is not as a good as Marion, Wallace has never been as good as Marion at any point in their careers. Wallace has always been an "athlete" without much fundamental skills. Marion has always been a fundamentally skilled player but he's always been forgotten or his contributions ignored.

$40 Million over 4 more years for a declining Gerald Wallace is really a bad move. One of those moves you know you ****ed up on by 1/3 into the 1st season. :lol

[tpols]

I understand your point on JJ helping take scoring pressure off Deron.

However Wallace is not as a good as Marion, Wallace has never been as good as Marion at any point in their careers. Wallace has always been an "athlete" without much fundamental skills. Marion has always been a fundamentally skilled player but he's always been forgotten or his contributions ignored.
Obviously he wont be as good as prime Marion.. but he has a very similar style. Both players like to go to the post and finish hard.. both crash the glass.. both are awkward shooters.. both play lockdown D.. both are a select few that can give you 2 spg and 2 bpg. If you look at their career numbers? They have very eerily similar stats in their primes.

If you look at their recent seasons? Gerald has been the better player.


$40 Million over 4 more years for a declining Gerald Wallace is really a bad move. One of those moves you know you ****ed up on by 1/3 into the 1st season. :lolYou're right that it will look worse as time passes and he gets worse but I'm just concerned with next season right now. I just want to watch good bball again.

[Carbine]

People who are defending this trade, please read:

Nets had a very legit chance, even going as far as saying a heavy favorite to land Dwight. Deron + Dwight is a championship contender and the best inside/out presence in the league, hands down. Nobody would come close.

They would have been in a position to fight with the Heat for the next 7 years or so and realistically compete for titles, multiple titles.

Instead, now they are where you don't want to be as an NBA franchise - the middle. Too good to get a high draft pick, and not good enough to realistically win a title.

Their cap is screwed. If someone throws out 10 million plus at Brook Lopez (which is highly likely) then they have to match that, which puts them already over the cap for many years to come, and that's only with 5 player on the roster.

[ZHAKIDD532]

I've never seen a GM let 1 player grip an entire franchise by the balls like this.

Did they ask Deron about the Wallace deal?

Only for him to make open-ended comments saying he never chose to be on the Nets. :lol

This whole thing is getting more and more ridiculous.

The only next step from here is trading for Amare.
If Deron Williams is really asking for players, do you really think he's stupid enough to ask for Amare with all of his health problems?

[ZHAKIDD532]

People who are defending this trade, please read:

Nets had a very legit chance, even going as far as saying a heavy favorite to land Dwight. Deron + Dwight is a championship contender and the best inside/out presence in the league, hands down. Nobody would come close.

They would have been in a position to fight with the Heat for the next 7 years or so and realistically compete for titles, multiple titles.

Instead, now they are where you don't want to be as an NBA franchise - the middle. Too good to get a high draft pick, and not good enough to realistically win a title.

Their cap is screwed. If someone throws out 10 million plus at Brook Lopez (which is highly likely) then they have to match that, which puts them already over the cap for many years to come, and that's only with 5 player on the roster.
You can't wait around for Dwight. The Nets did that already, what did they have to show for it? Nothing. Dwight opted in to his contract. Once he gets traded, who's to say he won't decide to stay where he goes? Then because they're doing nothing Deron Williams leaves. The Nets built a strong playoff team in a big city that veterans will want to come play for.

[niko]

NO he's not. Isiah made the knicks look like idiots. he was not just a bad gm, he was an embarrasing face of the franchise. He's still trying to embarrass us now by taking credit for moves he does not make, etc. he was the worst.

Billy King is not doing a terrible job. But stop rationalizing the Wallace trade, if you don't make that trade and add a lottery pick (and maybe better than 6th if you did not have wallace) you probably get Dwight. So no, it was not a good trade because wallace is a good player.

[Carbine]

You can't wait around for Dwight. The Nets did that already, what did they have to show for it? Nothing. Dwight opted in to his contract. Once he gets traded, who's to say he won't decide to stay where he goes? Then because they're doing nothing Deron Williams leaves. The Nets built a strong playoff team in a big city that veterans will want to come play for.

Go big or go home (as in, rebuild from scratch)

You don't do these deals to get a middle-ish team that has next to no chance of winning a title.

If you think his job as the GM of a rebuilding team is to ultimately put a team out there that will never really challenge for a title, then yeah he did a fantastic job.

If you think his job as GM of a rebuilding team is to put a championship contender out there year in year out, then he did a horrible job of this.

They had a chance, a very high chance at greatness.....instead they settled for being the Hawks of the past 4 years.

[D-Rose]

Absolutely not. He has put some nice complementary pieces around a potential superstar like Deron. His owner is willing to spend the money, and they are in win now mode. Turns out they really didn't have a chance of getting Dwight at the moment and they had to move on before D-Will did.

[RRR3]

He did, until he woke up from his OD
http://i50.tinypic.com/2n24i7q.png
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RaininTwos]

Billy King has been shitty since his philly days

[phoenix_bladen]

Lol at the idiots saying who cares nets owner has tons of money...

It's not about how much many u got as an owner but managing cap space. If the nba didn't have cap space like baseball sure spend like crazy

But in this league once u go over the cap u are screwed no matter how much money u got cause u can't add anymore max player contracts anymore

That's exactly what the Knicks did in the 2000 and ultimately ****ed them up even though Dolan was a rich ****

[Clippersfan86]

:roll: :roll: . Billy King DA GAWD.

[D12"Magic"]

:roll: :roll: . Billy King DA GAWD.
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Crown&Coke]

in the course of 18 hours, Billy went from worst to mfvckin first bitches

:bowdown:

[Clippersfan86]

Nets actually made a great trade AND wormed out of having to give up Marshon Brooks. Not sure what you guys are bitching about. Even without Howard a squad of...

D Will
JJ
Wallace
Humphries
Lopez

6th man: Brooks

is formidable.

Sarcastic what do you have to say now? Your troll attempt failed :no: .