Does this Laker team now have the most stacked lineup in NBA history?

[pauk]

PG - Steve Nash
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Andrew Bynum

Dwight Howard could end up there to.......

Jesus Christ... :oldlol:

[Doctor Rivers]

PG - Steve Nash
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Andrew Bynum

Dwight Howard could end up there to.......

Jesus Christ... :oldlol:

PG - Steve Nash 38 years old
SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson
SF - Ron Artest thug 4 lyfe
PF - Pau Gasol softer than melted butter
C - Andrew Bynum only cares about his sports cars and three pointers

[YAWN]

maybe if all of them were somewhere between 25-30.. They're all 32+ except bynum

[RRR3]

Is that even the most stacked Lakers team?


Didn't the Lakers have Wilt, Baylor, West and Goodrich at once? (not sure, IIRC they did)
Then they had Kareem, Magic and Worthy, along with a solid scorer in Scott, DPOY Cooper and a great bench.

[talkingconch]

Not yet. If Gasol is flipped for depth (minny deal or something) then maybe. and if Bynum if traded for Howard, then maybe

[NumberSix]

PG - Steve Nash 38 years old
SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson
SF - Ron Artest thug 4 lyfe
PF - Pau Gasol softer than melted butter
C - Andrew Bynum only cares about his sports cars and three pointers
Lmbo @ "three pointers"

[pauk]

You have to agree, thats a ridicilously scary team...

Maybe we can see Kobe vs Lebron in Finals finally! Would be fun! :banana:

[Doctor Rivers]

You have to agree, thats a ridicilously scary team...

Maybe we can see Kobe vs Lebron in Finals finally! Would be fun!

all of them combined wouldn't equal lebron's championship will

[LikeABosh]

Sorry but Nash is 37 years old and a HORRIBLE defender, don't get me wrong he's very good but I feel like alot of you Laker fans will be disappointed. MWP fcking sucks, and they have NO ONE on the bench.

[RRR3]

all of them combined wouldn't equal Chalmers' championship will
fixed

[Dw1ll]

thats a really bad lineup. Nash is 40, rapist is 40, gasol is a girl, MWP is a thug, and Bynum has the mental capacity of a toddler. Swept by OKC.

[rawimpact]

one can argue 04 lakers or last years celtics if player age is of no concern... dumb thread.

[pauk]

Sorry but Nash is 37 years old and a HORRIBLE defender, don't get me wrong he's very good but I feel like alot of you Laker fans will be disappointed. MWP fcking sucks, and they have NO ONE on the bench.

No matter the age i dont see much difference from now and back then, he still led the league in Assists... still shoots the lights out.. still can score if he wants to...

Now i dont know if he is the answer to Lakers problems, but he will make them better guaranteed.

[RazorBaLade]

excuse has been prepared

LOVE IT

[Reverend Hoops]

Nash is gonna retire.

[pauk]

I think many of you nay-sayers will be disappointed next season, this team has ridicilous potential.

[LikeABosh]

No matter the age i dont see much difference from now and back then, he still led the league in Assists... still shoots the lights out.. still can score if he wants to...

Now i dont know if he is the answer to Lakers problems, but he will make them better guaranteed.

Nash ran the show in phoenix and had the offensive system catered to him. Things will be different in LA, especially with the retard Mike Brown coaching.

[RRR3]

I think many of you nay-sayers will be disappointed next season, this team has ridicilous potential.
LeBron will rape them. Rape them, I tells ya. Straight up inhuman, disgusting, prison-style rape them.

[RaininThrees]

PG - Steve Nash
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Andrew Bynum

Dwight Howard could end up there to.......

Jesus Christ... :oldlol:

You need to read up on some basketball history, methinks.

[Brickz187]

Lakers will for sure be scary. Hopefully we can finally see Lakers vs Heat in the finals. I wanted it in the past because of the Kobe vs Wade matchup, now it will be Nash & Kobe vs Wade & Bron.

[niko]

The Nets are better and im not sure joe johnson is alive and they haven't signed two starters yet.

[Noof]

Our starting 5 is great obviously, but we still have the worst bench in the league. (or one of the worst)

[Doctor Rivers]

LeBron will rape them. Rape them, I tells ya. Straight up inhuman, disgusting, kobe-style rape them.

fixed

[RRR3]

Our starting 5 is great obviously, but we still have the worst bench in the league. (or one of the worst)
Nets have the worst bench in the league now IMO

[RRR3]

fixed
LOL Kobe was innocent

[pauk]

...Lakers are still not done making moves tho... Dwight maybe? Ouch...

[RazorBaLade]

...Lakers are still not done making moves tho... Dwight maybe? Ouch...

Still only 2 all stars

[takai]

PG - Steve Nash 38 years old
SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson
SF - Ron Artest thug 4 lyfe
PF - Pau Gasol softer than melted butter
C - Andrew Bynum only cares about his sports cars and three pointers

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/killaplaya247/Korra-Official.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/168/8/f/Haters_gonna_hate__Kobe_Bryant_by_Mauryv.jpg

[NumberSix]

LeBron will rape them. Rape them, I tells ya. Straight up inhuman, disgusting, prison-style rape them.
Hit it Kobestyle.

[ripthekik]

I think many of you nay-sayers will be disappointed next season, this team has ridicilous potential.
I see what you're trying to do. You just trying to make them sound alllll good so it makes Lebron teaming up with 2 stars in their primes look ok too. Gotcha :oldlol:

Come on, just look at the age of this time. The only one in their prime is probably Bynum. Heat is still more stacked. Can't be compared.:no:

[Doctor Rivers]

Hit it Kobestyle.

way too late bro

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7513949&postcount=23

[hops and stops]

PG - Steve Nash
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Andrew Bynum

if those first three players were 2005 versions of themselves, and the last two were 2009/10 versions of themselves.... yeah

but the 2012 versions are far less intimidating

[Doctor Rivers]

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/killaplaya247/Korra-Official.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/168/8/f/Haters_gonna_hate__Kobe_Bryant_by_Mauryv.jpg

lol more gifs!

[takai]

lol more gifs!
:facepalm

[scandisk_]

I think many of you nay-sayers will be disappointed next season, this team has ridicilous potential.

Child please with or without Nash, The Lakers are contenders with GAWDbe + Role Players :bowdown:

[Doctor Rivers]

:facepalm

ehh jpgs whatev

[lilgodfather1]

I just hope my country mate and Kobe tear something.

[sick_brah07]

PG - Steve Nash 38 years old
SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson
SF - Ron Artest thug 4 lyfe
PF - Pau Gasol softer than melted butter
C - Andrew Bynum only cares about his sports cars and three pointers


@ the 3 pointers

OMG :roll: :roll:

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Lakers fans... :oldlol:

Give them an inch, they take a mile.

[Doctor Rivers]

Lakers fans... :oldlol:

Give them an inch, they take a mile.

pauk a lakers fan? lol

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

PG - Steve Nash 38 years old
SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson
SF - Ron Artest thug 4 lyfe
PF - Pau Gasol softer than melted butter
C - Andrew Bynum only cares about his sports cars and three pointers


lol u mad n1gga:yaohappy:

[blacknapalm]

of course pauk starts this thread. what a historian of the game he is :roll:

you act like all these guys are in their prime

[Nevaeh]

Sorry but Nash is 37 years old and a HORRIBLE defender, don't get me wrong he's very good but I feel like alot of you Laker fans will be disappointed. MWP fcking sucks, and they have NO ONE on the bench.

Expect to see a lot of Steve "Trash"- throwing under the bus- action from Laker "Fans" who were expecting Prime Nash type productivity.
:rolleyes:

[sagr32]

Expect to see a lot of Steve "Trash"- throwing under the bus- action from Laker "Fans" who were expecting Prime Nash type productivity.
:rolleyes:No One is expecting Prime Nash but he can still average a double double

[kNicKz]

SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson


stupidest thing I've read on this site

[Doctor Rivers]

lol u mad n1gga:yaohappy:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jest

[DaSeba5]

On paper, but that doesn't tell the whole story.

[no pun intended]

PG - Steve Nash 38 years old
SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson
SF - Ron Artest thug 4 lyfe
PF - Pau Gasol softer than melted butter
C - Andrew Bynum only cares about his sports cars and three pointers
Well we did sign Nash to train Bynum at the three pointer.

[gtfomyface]

oldest, immobile lineup =/

[Freedom Kid7]

:biggums: If it was five or so years ago you could make a case but now most of them are in the twilight years so they aren't stacked. Plus their bench is still pretty awful.

[Pink Tigress]

OKC in 5
Spurs in 6

[RazorBaLade]

OKC in 5
Spurs in 6

doesnt okc in 5 imply that the laekrs ahve not improved at all by aquiring nash? srsly?

[All Net]

In prime? sure

[Batz]

PG - Steve Nash 38 years old
SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson
SF - Ron Artest thug 4 lyfe
PF - Pau Gasol softer than melted butter
C - Andrew Bynum only cares about his sports cars and three pointers
Why the thread continued after this is beyond me.

[Fudge]

:roll:

Made this thread so people will forget about how stacked the Heat is. Nice try though. If they were all 30, then it'd be possible.

[Pink Tigress]

doesnt okc in 5 imply that the laekrs ahve not improved at all by aquiring nash? srsly?

Basically.
I don't think he will make much of a difference in the play offs? How many min was Nash averaging last year about 30 min?

[RazorBaLade]

Basically.
I don't think he will make much of a difference in the play offs? How many min was Nash averaging last year about 30 min?

wow.

yes about 30 min..

sessions in 30 min was 7 pts 3 ast on 30%.

[Rainwound]

doesnt okc in 5 imply that the laekrs ahve not improved at all by aquiring nash? srsly?
As if OKC isn't going to improve at all next season....

[G-Funk]

excuse has been prepared

LOVE IT
:oldlol:

[DaHeezy]

It's impressive, but this may not even be the most stacked team Kobe's been on

I'd still take the 86-87 Lakers as a better all round talented team.

Magic > Nash
Kobe > Scott
Worthy > Peace
Pau > Green
Kareem (yeah, even the old Version) > Bynum

87 bench > 12 bench

[RazorBaLade]

As if OKC isn't going to improve at all next season....

Not as much as adding a player tho. Nash makes others better too. Plus full year of camp. What is OKC really gonna do they have the same team. Eh.

[Umad101]

PG - Steve Nash
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Andrew Bynum

Dwight Howard could end up there to.......

Jesus Christ... :oldlol:
Lol at this clown. That title of being stacked belongs to ur boy down in Florida

[NugzFan]

Laker fans are idiots

[Pink Tigress]

wow.

yes about 30 min..

sessions in 30 min was 7 pts 3 ast on 30%.

You seem to think you're getting Steve Nash 2003 or 2004. If Steve was as valuable a commodity as he was 8 or 9 years ago and could have that much of an impact on a game the Suns would have paid him and kept him.

[PHILA]

No that would be the '67 team.


http://i.imgur.com/Vw3Wu.jpg

[RazorBaLade]

You seem to think you're getting Steve Nash 2003 or 2004. If Steve was as valuable a commodity as he was 8 or 9 years ago and could have that much of an impact on a game the Suns would have paid him and kept him.

ok lol nash is not better than 7 pts on 16% from 3

[jlauber]

Is that even the most stacked Lakers team?


Didn't the Lakers have Wilt, Baylor, West and Goodrich at once? (not sure, IIRC they did)
Then they had Kareem, Magic and Worthy, along with a solid scorer in Scott, DPOY Cooper and a great bench.

The Lakers basically had Baylor, West, and Wilt for ONE season. After that, Chamberlain was injured early in the 69-70 season, and missed nearly all of it. Then Baylor went down in game two of the '71 season, and never returned (and West went down late and he, too, missed the playoffs.) Then, Baylor was forced to retire after the ninth game of the '72 season (and LA immediately went on a 33 game winning streak.)

And, in that ONE season in which all three were paired together (and no Goodrich was not on that team), Baylor had an atrocious post-season. He was the WORST shooting Laker in playoffs, shooting just .385. And while I don't have his Finals' FG%, it was probably even WORSE (in the three known games that we have of the '69 Finals, Baylor shot 4-14, 2-14, and 8-22.)

[2010splash]

What an idiotic thread. LeBron has a much more stacked team than anyone.

Prime Wade (27/5/7/49% talent)
Prime Bosh (24/11/2/52% talent)

Meanwhile the Lakers have a bunch of over the hill guys whose average age is like 35. Most stacked team ever lmao!:roll:

[jdm_dc_fan]

We dont even have to go back that far:

Rondo
R. Allen
Shaq
KG
Pierce

:bowdown:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Might be the first time Kobe has two all star teammates since he was a teenager.

:applause:

[KG215]

excuse has been prepared

LOVE IT

And it was so predictable, too.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe has been extremely fortunate when it comes to his teammates/playing situation. Most stars have to suffer through shitty lineups for years before their front office has the opportunity to put together championship contenders. With the exception of maybe a season and 1/2, he's always had all star/HOF teammates. The Lakers have always done right by him.

As to the OP's question- No, there have been plenty of more stacked teams in NBA history. This Lakers team still has one of the worst benches in the league. I don't even think this is the most stacked Lakers team Kobe has been on:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfm5vvDqFL1qfr20ho1_500.jpg

^Kobe had 5 of these guys from the '98 all star team as teammates.

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/files/t_31075.jpg

[Legends66NBA7]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfm5vvDqFL1qfr20ho1_500.jpg

^Kobe had 5 of these guys from the '98 all star team as teammates.

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/files/t_31075.jpg

Yeah, I was going to state earlier that this current Lakers team is similar to that 2003-04 team.

[KG215]

Might be the first time Kobe has two all star teammates since he was a teenager.

:applause:

:wtf:

From 2000-2004 Kobe was an All-Star and top 3-5 player in the league, playing with another All-Star and top 1-2 player in the league. Poor Kobe. You act like everyone has three All-Stars and Kobe (counting himself) was burdened with playing on a team with just two All-Stars who also happened to be top three players in the league.

[KG215]

Not as much as adding a player tho. Nash makes others better too. Plus full year of camp. What is OKC really gonna do they have the same team. Eh.

23 year old Kevin Durant, 23 year old Russell Westbrook, 22 year old James Harden, and 22 year old Serge Ibaka will be one year older, have one more year of experience, and will be coming off a Finals run. That's what OKC is going to do. And hell, I know he's just a rookie, but what if Perry Jones turns out to play like the top 5-10 talent he was thought of until the last week or two before the draft?

And we are adding a player...Eric Maynor. No, it's not an All-Star caliber player, or even an impact player, but he's still a bigger addition than the casual fan realizes.

[BallsOut]

23 year old Kevin Durant, 23 year old Russell Westbrook, 22 year old James Harden, and 22 year old Serge Ibaka will be one year older, have one more year of experience, and will be coming off a Finals run. That's what OKC is going to do. And hell, I know he's just a rookie, but what if Perry Jones turns out to play like the top 5-10 talent he was thought of until the last week or two before the draft?

And we are adding a player...Eric Maynor. No, it's not an All-Star caliber player, or even an impact player, but he's still a bigger addition than the casual fan realizes.

And how will OKC afford both Harden and Ibaka? :facepalm

[RazorBaLade]

23 year old Kevin Durant, 23 year old Russell Westbrook, 22 year old James Harden, and 22 year old Serge Ibaka will be one year older, have one more year of experience, and will be coming off a Finals run. That's what OKC is going to do. And hell, I know he's just a rookie, but what if Perry Jones turns out to play like the top 5-10 talent he was thought of until the last week or two before the draft?

And we are adding a player...Eric Maynor. No, it's not an All-Star caliber player, or even an impact player, but he's still a bigger addition than the casual fan realizes.

if just more experience and being older helped then cle wouldn't be stuck in the same death zone they were from 07 to 10.

nobodies saying lakers are the favorites here but its going to be a lot closer, and if howard comes... then..

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Lol @ this clown. You seem to be forgetting that with the exception of Andrew Bynum, every other player in their starting lineup is out of their prime. How old are they? 37, 32,33?

The Most stacked team is still the Miami Heat.

[PJR]

And how will OKC afford both Harden and Ibaka? :facepalm

How is this relevent you dolt? They have them under the rookie scale for atleast two more years.

[KG215]

And how will OKC afford both Harden and Ibaka? :facepalm

What the hell does that have to do with the 2012-2013 season? Both Harden and Ibaka are under contract one more year.

If you want to go beyond that, they'll afford one of them, and it's not like this current Lakers team is going to be much of a threat beyond next season when Nash is pushing 40, and Kobe is 35 and in his 18th season.

[KG215]

if just more experience and being older helped then cle wouldn't be stuck in the same death zone they were from 07 to 10.

nobodies saying lakers are the favorites here but its going to be a lot closer, and if howard comes... then..

:roll: :roll: :roll:

COMPLETELY different situations. Tell me, after LeBron, what other early 20s All-Star caliber player did they have on their roster? Not saying Durant is as good as LeBron was at 23 but, Durant is OKC's LeBron in this scenario, but who was Cleveland's Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka?

And you're right, we've never seen burgeoning dynasties take their lumps and go through growing pains, before finally breaking through as they got older and gained valuable playoff experience and heartbreak. This would be the first time it's ever happened in NBA history.

[CelticBaller]

lol heat fans whining about stacked teams? :biggums:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DTreats]

This is what the Miami Heat will be rolling out next season:

Chalmers | Kidd | Cole
Wade | Allen
James | Miller
Bosh | Haslem
Camby | Anthony | Pittman


S t a c k e d.

[DonDadda59]

The Most stacked team is still the Miami Heat.

Eh, Heat are very top heavy. After you get past the big 3, not much there. Spurs and Thunder were more 'stacked' and well rounded from top to bottom IMO. They just happen to have this generation's best player who makes up for their flaws and lack of depth.

Knicks are also pretty stacked. Just too bad they had to deal with injuries, inept coaching, and low IQ players who never really gelled. If they're healthy next year and play as hard as they did for Woodson after he took the reigns, they might make some noise if the seeding works in their favor.

[RazorBaLade]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

COMPLETELY different situations. Tell me, after LeBron, what other early 20s All-Star caliber player did they have on their roster? Not saying Durant is as good as LeBron was at 23 but, Durant is OKC's LeBron in this scenario, but who was Cleveland's Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka?

And you're right, we've never seen burgeoning dynasties take their lumps and go through growing pains, before finally breaking through as they got older and gained valuable playoff experience and heartbreak. This would be the first time it's ever happened in NBA history.

They still had the whole inexperience thing, first time we're here, mo williams was an all star btw.Yes cle doesnt have that many players.. but OKC's competition now is tougher than cles was too!

[keepinitreal]

looks like a starting line-up of 5 future HOF's to me:pimp:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

:wtf:

From 2000-2004 Kobe was an All-Star and top 3-5 player in the league, playing with another All-Star and top 1-2 player in the league. Poor Kobe. You act like everyone has three All-Stars and Kobe (counting himself) was burdened with playing on a team with just two All-Stars who also happened to be top three players in the league.

Kobe isn't his own teammate. He won 5 rings with one All Star/HOF teammate. Jordan had two HOFers with Pippen and Rodman. Bird at least two with Mchale and Parrish. Magic two with Kareem and Worthy. Duncan two with Parker and Ginobli. Lebron with Wade and Bosh. Kobe's last ring came against an all star SG with 3 all star teammates :confusedshrug:

[KG215]

Kobe isn't his own teammate. He won 5 rings with one All Star/HOF teammate. Jordan had two HOFers with Pippen and Rodman. Bird at least two with Mchale and Parrish. Magic two with Kareem and Worthy. Duncan two with Parker and Ginobli. Lebron with Wade and Bosh. Kobe's last ring came against an all star SG with 3 all star teammates :confusedshrug:

You're completely ignoring the fact that the Lakers still had two All-Star/HOFers top 10 players all-time in their prime and, at the time, both Kobe and Shaq were 2 of the 3-5 best players in the NBA. At what point were Pippen, McHale, Parker, Ginobili, or Worthy top 3-5 players in the league?

Quit making excuses for Kobe and trying to make him look better. He's great, he does't need dickriders like you trying to make it look like he aaccomplished the impossible winning three rings with prime Shaq, and two more rings with Gasol and Bynum. About the only reason Kobe didn't have two All-Star teammates in 2009 and 2010 is because Bynum couldn't stay healthy. Let's not act like he was some fringe starter or something.

And that last ring came against a Celtics team with three future HOFers well past their prime, but good try.

[DurantFor40]

Second round exit AT BEST. Not even the best team in LA. :facepalm

[RazorBaLade]

You're completely ignoring the fact that the Lakers still had two All-Star/HOFers top 10 players all-time in their prime and, at the time, both Kobe and Shaq were 2 of the 3-5 best players in the NBA. At what point were Pippen, McHale, Parker, Ginobili, or Worthy top 3-5 players in the league?

Quit making excuses for Kobe and trying to make him look better. He's great, he does't need dickriders like you trying to make it look like he aaccomplished the impossible winning three rings with prime Shaq, and two more rings with Gasol and Bynum. About the only reason Kobe didn't have two All-Star teammates in 2009 and 2010 is because Bynum couldn't stay healthy. Let's not act like he was some fringe starter or something.

And that last ring came against a Celtics team with three future HOFers well past their prime, but good try.

what year are you talking about? 2 all stars in their prime? and shaq and kobe? huh

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You're completely ignoring the fact that the Lakers still had two All-Star/HOFers top 10 players all-time in their prime and, at the time, both Kobe and Shaq were 2 of the 3-5 best players in the NBA. At what point were Pippen, McHale, Parker, Ginobili, or Worthy top 3-5 players in the league?

Quit making excuses for Kobe and trying to make him look better. He's great, he does't need dickriders like you trying to make it look like he aaccomplished the impossible winning three rings with prime Shaq, and two more rings with Gasol and Bynum. About the only reason Kobe didn't have two All-Star teammates in 2009 and 2010 is because Bynum couldn't stay healthy. Let's not act like he was some fringe starter or something.

And that last ring came against a Celtics team with three future HOFers well past their prime, but good try.

I'm not sure why you are getting upset. Kobe being a top ten GOAT player has nothing to do with his teammates. He's not playing with his twin Kobe. He's playing with one other HOFer and bringing home a ring about 40% of the time. Other legendary players had 2 or more all stars or a hall of famers AS TEAMMATES on their title teams. Those are just the facts ma'am.

Bynum put up about 7 pts and 5 rebounds for those two rings in the playoffs.

:confusedshrug:

[KG215]

I'm not sure why you are getting upset. Kobe being a top ten GOAT player has nothing to do with his teammates. He's not playing with his twin Kobe. He's playing with one other HOFer and bringing home a ring about 40% of the time. Other legendary players had 2 or more all stars or a hall of famers AS TEAMMATES on their title teams. Those are just the facts ma'am.

Bynum put up about 7 pts and 5 rebounds for those two rings in the playoffs.

:confusedshrug:

And you're completely downplaying the situation Kobe was in by saying "Kobe never played with two other All-Star teammates" with all this BS you're spewing. The black and white part of what you're saying is true, Kobe only had two other All-Star teammates in his career in the late 90s when he was a teenager. But you're not putting the rest of his career into context.

Some all-time greats who are a part of a dynasty are part of a "Big 3". And others, like Kobe, are part of a "Big 2" with 2 of the 3-5 best players in the league who are in their prime and consensus top 10 players all-time.

[No Name]

thats a really bad lineup. Nash is 40, rapist is 40, gasol is a girl, MWP is a thug, and Bynum has the mental capacity of a toddler. Swept by OKC.
yea i cant believe they only won 1 game...sigh but a sweep is a sweep

[joshwake]

It is a scary starting five, that's for sure, but far from a stacked team. Second round exit at best.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

And you're completely downplaying the situation Kobe was in by saying "Kobe never played with two other All-Star teammates" with all this BS you're spewing. The black and white part of what you're saying is true, Kobe only had two other All-Star teammates in his career in the late 90s when he was a teenager. But you're not putting the rest of his career into context.

Some all-time greats who are a part of a dynasty are part of a "Big 3". And others, like Kobe, are part of a "Big 2" with 2 of the 3-5 best players in the league who are in their prime and consensus top 10 players all-time.

You talk about context and then ignore the fact that Kobe rang twice with Gasol. Is he a top ten GOAT or a one time all star without Kobe and an unlikely HOFer if he didn't play for Spain in his free time? Am I supposed to consider Bynum 5 pts and 7 rebounds for those two rings another all star player?

Who are the other legendary players that are only part of duos? Who else rang 5 times with just 1 other all star/HOF teammate?

[mariodeathgrip]

Lol try to grab grant hill too!!!

Wonder Wut Phil is thinking right now!!!:cheers::coleman:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

If all of those guys were in their prime, they MIGHT be the most stacked team in history. Unfortunately, 4 of the 5 are over 31 years old.

[I LUV KOBE]

worrying about Lebrick not gonna wing another ring.. pathetic TS..

[Pink Tigress]

If all of those guys were in their prime, they MIGHT be the most stacked team in history. Unfortunately, 4 of the 5 are over 31 years old.

Really?

Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Parrish
Magic, Worthy, Cooper, Kareem,
Isaiah Thomas and the Bad Boys
Bird, McHale, Parrish, Walton
Lebron, Wade, Bosh
Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton
Olajuwon, Drexler, Barkley, Pippen
David Robinson, Tim Duncan

That's just a few of the better line ups.

[bdreason]

86 Celtics and 87 Lakers.

If you want to go back to the 60's, the Celtics were obviously stacked to the rim.

[Rainwound]

Not as much as adding a player tho. Nash makes others better too. Plus full year of camp. What is OKC really gonna do they have the same team. Eh.
Each of their core players will improve, Eric Maynor's returning, and Perry Jones has a lot of potential. Yes, it's probably not as much improvement as bringing in a player like Nash, but it's still a good amount of improvement.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Really?

Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Parrish
Magic, Worthy, Cooper, Kareem,
Bird, McHale, Parrish, Walton
Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton
Olajuwon, Drexler, Barkley, Pippen


That's just a few of the better line ups.

FIFY.

[KG215]

You talk about context and then ignore the fact that Kobe rang twice with Gasol. Is he a top ten GOAT or a one time all star without Kobe and an unlikely HOFer if he didn't play for Spain in his free time? Am I supposed to consider Bynum 5 pts and 7 rebounds for those two rings another all star player?

Who are the other legendary players that are only part of duos? Who else rang 5 times with just 1 other all star/HOF teammate?

You're right, Kobe was amazing in that he was able to win five rings with the mediocre non-two other all-star supporting casts he was burdened with.

There's plenty of other All-Stars/HOFers who would've "rang" 5 times playing three years with Shaq at his peak and a Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum frontcourt, if said All-Star/HOFers were top 10-15 players all-time like Kobe.

How about this: how many consensus top 10-12 players in NBA history played their prime with another consensus top 7-10 player in his prime?

[Rooster]

You're right, Kobe was amazing in that he was able to win five rings with the mediocre non-two other all-star supporting casts he was burdened with.

There's plenty of other All-Stars/HOFers who would've "rang" 5 times playing three years with Shaq at his peak and a Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum frontcourt, if said All-Star/HOFers were top 10-15 players all-time like Kobe.

How about this: how many consensus top 10-12 players in NBA history played their prime with another consensus top 7-10 player in his prime?


Kobe was not in his prime when he played with Shaq.

[TheBigVeto]

Our starting 5 is great obviously, but we still have the worst bench in the league. (or one of the worst)

Come on now son. :roll:

[KG215]

Kobe was not in his prime when he played with Shaq.

Oh really? So a player who was widely considered a top 5 player in the league at the time wasn't in his prime? There's a difference in peak and prime. He probably wasn't truly in his prime for his first championship in 2000, but he was in the early stages of his prime for the next two championships. He was at his peak from 2006-2010, which was the best version of Kobe, and why he was able to win two rings with "only" Pau Gasol.

[TheBigVeto]

Child please with or without Nash, The Lakers are contenders with GAWDbe + David Stern :bowdown:

FTFY

[Rooster]

Oh really? So a player who was widely considered a top 4-5 player in the league at the time wasn't in his prime? There's a difference in peak and prime. He probably wasn't truly in his prime for his first championship in 2000, but he was in the early stages of his prime for the next two championships. He was at his peak from 2006-2010, which was the best version of Kobe, and why he was able to win two rings with "only" Pau Gasol.

Kobe is still widely considered one of the top 5 players last year but do you think he is still in prime then?

[BlackVVaves]

Oh really? So a player who was widely considered a top 5 player in the league at the time wasn't in his prime? There's a difference in peak and prime. He probably wasn't truly in his prime for his first championship in 2000, but he was in the early stages of his prime for the next two championships. He was at his peak from 2006-2010, which was the best version of Kobe, and why he was able to win two rings with "only" Pau Gasol.

You think Kobe was in his prime at 23, 24? So is Durant in his prime right now? Is Westbrook? :oldlol:

Just because a player is a Top 5 player in the league doesn't automatically mean they are in their prime. What the **** kind of logic is that??

It means that player is that ****ing good. Like Kobe. Like Bron. Like Durant.

Stop that.

[Lebron23]

Nash is turning 39 yrs.old next season. Russell Westbrook will abuse him. RW is getting better every year.

[TheBigVeto]

No One is expecting Prime Nash but he can still average a double double

With Kobe hogging and chucking?
Ain't gonna happen.
This is a losing proposition for Nash. I wonder if he was drunk when he agreed to this.

[Dictator]

With Kobe hogging and chucking?
Ain't gonna happen.
This is a losing proposition for Nash. I wonder if he was drunk when he agreed to this.


:facepalm If Nash wanted to put up great stayed he would of stayed with the Suns. Nash wants to win.

[KG215]

You think Kobe was in his prime at 23, 24? So is Durant in his prime right now? Is Westbrook? :oldlol:

Just because a player is a Top 5 player in the league doesn't automatically mean they are in their prime. What the **** kind of logic is that??

It means that player is that ****ing good. Like Kobe. Like Bron. Like Durant.

Stop that.

You're right, just because a player is considered top 5 in the league doesn't mean they are/were in their prime but, in this case (as I've pointed out several times already) that was the beginning of Kobe's prime.

And ok, say you don't believe Kobe's prime started until 2004-2005ish, it still doesn't take away from my original point and argument with Yao Ming's Foot where he's trying to downplay Kobe's rings because he never had two other All-Star teammates. The fact is, Kobe had peak Shaq, who is a consensus top 7-10 player all-time and arguably the most dominant player ever, while entering his prime as a top 3-5 player in the NBA.

And what does age have to do with it? A player's prime can only start after a certain age? Is 2011-2012 Durant going to be the best version of Durant? No, but when looking back, I think most people will say 2011-2012 was the beginning of his prime. We may not see peak Durant until 2013-2014 or 2014-2015, but that doesn't mean he still wasn't in his prime a season or two before that. A player's prime starts at some point and, while you and other's may disagree, it doesn't necessarily start in their first peak year.


Kobe is still widely considered one of the top 5 players last year but do you think he is still in prime then?

No, he's not, but he was beginning his prime in at least the second year of the Lakers 3-peat. Was 2001-2002 Kobe the best version? Of course not, but it was the beginning of his prime leading to his peak which last from about 2006-2010.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You're right, Kobe was amazing in that he was able to win five rings with the mediocre non-two other all-star supporting casts he was burdened with.

There's plenty of other All-Stars/HOFers who would've "rang" 5 times playing three years with Shaq at his peak and a Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum frontcourt, if said All-Star/HOFers were top 10-15 players all-time like Kobe.

How about this: how many consensus top 10-12 players in NBA history played their prime with another consensus top 7-10 player in his prime?

Based on your loose definition of the word prime.... Shaq, Magic, Kareem, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and Oscar Robertson.

:confusedshrug:

Who else is there?

Bill Russell played with countless HOFers.
Larry Bird never rang without at least 3 HOFers.
Jordan had Pippen and Rodman as HOFers, great defensive teammates and 4 Bulls made the all star team the year following his first early vacation.
Duncan had at least two HOFers per title team in Parker, Ginobli, and Robinson.

[maybeshewill13]

LMFAO OP! They don't even have the most stacked roster next year, yet alone in history..

[AK47DR91]

Nash is turning 39 yrs.old next season. Russell Westbrook will abuse him. RW is getting better every year.
Don't forget Chris Paul.

- No team is greater than the owner -

[Sound and Fury]

PG - Steve Nash
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Andrew Bynum

Dwight Howard could end up there to.......

Jesus Christ... :oldlol:
This isn't even the most stacked team in LAKERS history.

71-72 Lakers:
C - Wilt
PF - Happy Hairston
SF - Elgin Baylor (yes, I know he retired mid-season)
SG - Gail Goodrich
PG - Jerry West
You don't win 33 games in a row without being completely sick.

82-83 Lakers:
C - Kareem
PF - Kurt Rambis
SF - Jamaal Wilkes
SG - Norm Nixon
PG - Magic Johnson
Bench - Bob McAdoo, Michael Cooper, James Worthy
They may have lost in the Finals in '83, but every one of these guys was still more or less in his prime except James Worthy (rookie season) and Bob McAdoo (who was past his prime but still really effective)

86-87 Lakers:
C - Kareem
PF - AC Green
SF - James Worthy
SG - Byron Scott
PG - Magic Johnson
Bench - Kurt Rambis, Michael Cooper, Mychal Thompson
Only about half of these guys were in their primes, but even the guys that weren't (Kareem, Rambis, Cooper, Thompson) were still effective enough.

[mark]

PG - Steve Nash 38 years old
SG - Kobe Bryant taller allen iverson
SF - Ron Artest thug 4 lyfe
PF - Pau Gasol softer than melted butter
C - Andrew Bynum only cares about his sports cars and three pointers


the problem is Kobe, he doesnt make anybody better. Nash will pass to catch and shoot Kobe, and he will not at all help team chemistry. This could be a great team, without Kobe.

[Ne 1]

Yeah, I was going to state earlier that this current Lakers team is similar to that 2003-04 team.

Looking back the '04 team had so many distractions and so many chemistry problems it is amazing that they even got to the Finals.

Shaq was often injured that season, Kobe was going through the trial, flying back and forth, sometimes in the same day as a game, Malone was 40 years old, Payton was also aging and didn't buy into Phil's system and they had a really weak bench. The feud between Shaq and Kobe was still going on, Kobe called out Malone for hitting on his wife, Malone accused Shaq of deliberately not playing his best.

I can't remember a team that had so many problems going on.

[jjayfive]

some of those celtics and lakers squad from the past were more stacked...

[BlackVVaves]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:

[It's A VC3!!!]

They don't even have the most stacked roster in the West. That same Lakers roster minus Nash got swept by OKC. And Dallas. Having Nash isn't that great considering he won't barely even see the ball.

[Poetry]

Having Nash isn't that great considering he won't barely even see the ball.

They're going to have to adjust. I'm sure it was discussed prior to Nash joining the Lakers. I doubt he joined the Lakers just to bring the ball up the court and give it up right away.

[KG215]

Based on your loose definition of the word prime.... Shaq, Magic, Kareem, Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and Oscar Robertson.

:confusedshrug:

Who else is there?

Bill Russell played with countless HOFers.
Jordan had Pippen and Rodman as HOFers, great defensive teammates and 4 Bulls made the all star team the year following his first early vacation.
Duncan had at least two HOFers per title team in Parker, Ginobli, and Robinson.

It's not a loose definition. So a player's prime can't start a few years before his peak? Some players, like Kobe, have 10 year primes with 4-5 year peaks. Others have 5 year primes with 1-3 year peaks. It's not a hard concept to understand.

And my question wasn't "how many HOFers did other top 10 players all-time play with?" It was how many other top 10 players all-time played with another top 7-10 player all-time at his peak? There's a big difference in playing with a HOFer like, say...Connie Hawkins or Bob Lanier than Shaq at his peak, and you know it. There's 150 players in the HOF and I shouldn't have to tell you that there's great variances in how good the 10-12 best were in their primes, and how good the guys from 50-60 and down were in their primes.


Larry Bird never rang without at least 3 HOFers.

And according to your reasoning, Larry Bird didn't have 3 HOF teammates because Larry Bird can't count himself as a teammate.



Duncan had at least two HOFers per title team in Parker, Ginobli, and Robinson.

Duncan had old and on the decline Robinson for his first title, and that was it. Ginobili nor Parker were on the team yet. In 2003 Ginobili averaged 9-4-3 in the playoffs, he was hardly the HOF version of Manu at that time. He didn't breakout until the 2005 championship. Parker was 20 years old in 2003 and wasn't there yet, either. And besides, Kobe playing with a peak Shaq is, at the very least, equal to Duncan playing with Manu and Parker.

[Doctor Rivers]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:

:oldlol:

[Vienceslav]

In the same way 2011 Celtics had the most stacked line up of all time.
Or 04 Lakers for that matter.

[PejaNowitzki]

Nash is gonna retire.



He would go down as one of the best in-real-life trolls of all time. :lol :lol

[Droid101]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:
Finest post in months.

[IGOTGAME]

You're completely ignoring the fact that the Lakers still had two All-Star/HOFers top 10 players all-time in their prime and, at the time, both Kobe and Shaq were 2 of the 3-5 best players in the NBA. At what point were Pippen, McHale, Parker, Ginobili, or Worthy top 3-5 players in the league?

Quit making excuses for Kobe and trying to make him look better. He's great, he does't need dickriders like you trying to make it look like he aaccomplished the impossible winning three rings with prime Shaq, and two more rings with Gasol and Bynum. About the only reason Kobe didn't have two All-Star teammates in 2009 and 2010 is because Bynum couldn't stay healthy. Let's not act like he was some fringe starter or something.

And that last ring came against a Celtics team with three future HOFers well past their prime, but good try.

you do realize that Bynum barely played in one of the post-season runs and
was not considered an all star at the time.

[LosBulls]

2010 Celtics.

[chazzy]

Pauk really knows nothing outside of Lebron

[It's A VC3!!!]

They're going to have to adjust. I'm sure it was discussed prior to Nash joining the Lakers. I doubt he joined the Lakers just to bring the ball up the court and give it up right away.

It's perplexing thinking how much the Lakers will have to adjust with the addition of Steve Nash. We all know that Nash thrives off of dictating the tempo of the game and holding onto the ball until he finds a great shot for himself or a teamate. He won't have that same perk with Kobe by his side. He will need to make a quick decision or give the ball up, thus taking him out of the game completely. My opinion is that he won't mesh very well with Kobe. Bynum and Pau will love him but I can't see him being a point guard with Kobe.

[KG215]

you do realize that Bynum barely played in one of the post-season runs and
was not considered an all star at the time.

I went a little overboard on Bynum. But he did play in the 2009 and 2010 playoff runs. He only got a little over 17 minutes a game in 2009 in the playoffs, but played in 23 games. In 2010 he put up 8 and 7 in 24 mpg in the playoffs. So yes, I went a little overboard calling him an "All-Star". I just now the Lakers still had a huge advantage over almost every frontcourt in the NBA with Bynum and Gasol and their length. Bynum wasn't a 19-12 player like he was this year, but he still had his moments, especially in 2010.

And why in the hell am I the one that keeps getting quoted and called out when it's Yao Ming's Foot saying things like "Kobe never had two other future HOF/All-Star teammates" when he got to play with freaking PEAK SHAQ?!? A future top 10-12 player all-time entering his prime (putting up 29-7-6 in the 2001 playoffs and 27-6-5 in the 2002 playoffs) playing with peak Shaq shouldn't need another HOF teammate to win a ring.

[G-Funk]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:
cold blooded.

[ripthekik]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:
Wow, how could I have missed this post, instant classic
:applause:
pauk, where u at? hollaaaaa back bro! :oldlol:

[lilgodfather1]

If this was 6 years ago they would have two top 5 players in the league, and the top two players at their position. If this was 3 years ago they would have the best PF in the NBA, an injury proned all star caliber C, the best SG in the NBA, and a top 3 PG in the NBA. Give them LeBron and Kobe MIGHT have enough help lol.

Right now they have a 39 year old, and a 34 year old to go along with a 33 year old. Not exactly stacked.

[LakersReign]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:

The last 2 sentences kill it:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RRR3]

The last 2 sentences kill it:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Still mad lebron won fmvp:lol

[ripthekik]

Still mad lebron won fmvp:lol
pauk, forgot to switch accounts? come face the music man! the party is in here waiting for u!

[RRR3]

pauk, forgot to switch accounts? come face the music man! the party is in here waiting for u!
Bladers

[LakersReign]

Still mad lebron won fmvp:lol

The truth really does hurt....doesn't it?:applause:

STILL mad that your pathetic "crazy" gimmick is a bigger fail than you ever were for the last 6 months? He's so mad he HAS TO...MUST say something....ANYTHING to me, even if it makes him look 10 times more ret**deed:roll:

Stay mad clown:lol

[Godzuki]

they can still use the lack of bench excuse, and they will....

:facepalm

[Godzuki]

Bladers


pretty sure ripthekikk is nickyoung...

[Godzuki]

STILL mad that your pathetic "crazy" gimmick is bigger fail than you ever were for the last 6 months?:roll:

Stay mad clown:lol


the official 'Worst poster on ISH :bowdown:

[CelticBaller]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:
http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.jpg

[Ikill]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Pauk i told you no one takes seriously why dont you respond bitch ass punk

[Ikill]

the official 'Worst poster on ISH :bowdown:
who?

[CavaliersFTW]

Expect to see a lot of Steve "Trash"- throwing under the bus- action from Laker "Fans" who were expecting Prime Nash type productivity.
:rolleyes:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: this will definitely be happening - it's everyone's fault but Kobe's. Always.

[Doctor Rivers]

Stay mad clown:lol

aren't you the one who is always mad??

[LakersReign]

Boring, you tried that one already:rolleyes:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

It's not a loose definition. So a player's prime can't start a few years before his peak? Some players, like Kobe, have 10 year primes with 4-5 year peaks. Others have 5 year primes with 1-3 year peaks. It's not a hard concept to understand.

And my question wasn't "how many HOFers did other top 10 players all-time play with?" It was how many other top 10 players all-time played with another top 7-10 player all-time at his peak? There's a big difference in playing with a HOFer like, say...Connie Hawkins or Bob Lanier than Shaq at his peak, and you know it. There's 150 players in the HOF and I shouldn't have to tell you that there's great variances in how good the 10-12 best were in their primes, and how good the guys from 50-60 and down were in their primes.



And according to your reasoning, Larry Bird didn't have 3 HOF teammates because Larry Bird can't count himself as a teammate.




Duncan had old and on the decline Robinson for his first title, and that was it. Ginobili nor Parker were on the team yet. In 2003 Ginobili averaged 9-4-3 in the playoffs, he was hardly the HOF version of Manu at that time. He didn't breakout until the 2005 championship. Parker was 20 years old in 2003 and wasn't there yet, either. And besides, Kobe playing with a peak Shaq is, at the very least, equal to Duncan playing with Manu and Parker.

I already answered your question. The majority of GOAT players played with other GOAT players at some point during their extended prime. Kobe, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, West, Wilt and Oscar.

Bird had 3-4 HOF teammates per title team. I'm not including Larry Bird as Larry Bird's teammate. :facepalm

1981 Boston Celtics (NBA)

Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Tiny Archibald


1984 Boston Celtics (NBA)

Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Dennis Johnson

1986 Boston Celtics (NBA)

Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Dennis Johnson
Bill Walton

I'm not knocking Duncan winning multiple rings with 2 or more HOFers. I just think its funny how other legends can have 2-4 HOF teammates on their title teams yet because Kobe had 1 HOF on each of his 5 and 3 of them were with Shaq its his titles that were less impressive.

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

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[CavaliersFTW]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:
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[Freedom Kid7]

Will the Lebron fans vs Kobe fans war ever end?

[LA_Showtime]

No. Kobe, Gasol, and Nash are past their prime years.

[BlackVVaves]

That's now, count em kids, THREE separate threads that pauk has literally ran from, avoiding me and refusing to even address my posts directed to him, in 36 hours.

Yes Luke, I am your father.

[LakersReign]

That's now, count em kids, THREE separate threads that pauk has literally ran from, avoiding me and refusing to even address my posts directed to him, in 36 hours.

Yes Luke, I am your father.

:roll: :lol :applause: :oldlol: :roll: :applause:

[KG215]

I already answered your question. The majority of GOAT players played with other GOAT players at some point during their extended prime. Kobe, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, West, Wilt and Oscar.

Bird had 3-4 HOF teammates per title team. I'm not including Larry Bird as Larry Bird's teammate. :facepalm

1984 Boston Celtics (NBA)

Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Dennis Johnson



I'm not knocking Duncan winning multiple rings with 2 or more HOFers. I just think its funny how other legends can have 2-4 HOF teammates on their title teams yet because Kobe had 1 HOF on each of his 5 and 3 of them were with Shaq its his titles that were less impressive.

:oldlol:

Forgot about Archibald in 1981 and for some reason Dennis Johnson slipped my mind, but you keep bringing up other people's HOF teammates without putting where they were in their respective careers into context.



1981 Boston Celtics (NBA)

Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Tiny Archibald

McHale wasn't "McHale" yet. He was 23 years old and averaged 8 and 4 in the playoffs. And Archibald was 32 and well past his peak/prime years and on the decline. He was a very good PG, but that wasn't the HOF version of Archibald.



1986 Boston Celtics (NBA)

Kevin McHale
Robert Parish
Dennis Johnson
Bill Walton

:oldlol: At using Bill Walton. Again, you keep saying "so-and-so had X number of HOF teammates without putting where those players were in their careers. I'll admit, I forgot all about Dennis Johnson for some reason, though.

Kobe's title's weren't less impressive in my opinion. But what happened in 2000-2003 probably should've happened with a young Kobe on the rise and peak Shaq putting together arguably the best three year playoff run in NBA history. It's not like young Kobe was 3-peating with Dave Cowens or Artis Gilmore.

[CavaliersFTW]

That's now, count em kids, THREE separate threads that pauk has literally ran from, avoiding me and refusing to even address my posts directed to him, in 36 hours.

Yes Luke, I am your father.
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[jjayfive]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time.


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead

classic

[KG215]

pauk always does this. Starts a ridiculously stupid thread trying to prop up LeBron, gets called out and owned over and over, and never comes back and owns up to his stupidity.

[Doctor Rivers]

a kobe fan got mad at me:



youze a straight up c0ck gobblin f@ggot. Heard you hangin with Anderson Cooper at the c0cksuckin festival. heard you won first prize. the c0cksucker rental store called, they ran out of you, f@gtron!

[pauk]

*bump*

How about now? :pimp:

If this team cant win a championship it would be hilarious....

[chains5000]

*bump*

How about now? :pimp:

If this team cant win a championship it would be hilarious....
Ironic

[TheBigVeto]

PG - Steve Nash
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Ron Artest
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Dwight Howard


SF & SG are the weak links.
But yeah it's pretty stacked. GOAT PG, current best C in the league, one of the greatest PFs of all time.

[Optimus Prime]

LeBron kids so mad. :facepalm :banghead: :hammerhead:

:kobe:

[BlackVVaves]

*bump*

How about now? :pimp:

If this team cant win a championship it would be hilarious....

I'd think no more hilarious than a team with 3 Top 10 players, one being the best player in the league, failing to win a championship against a team with merely one superstar, and a collage of role players.

No?

[Graviton]

I'd think no more hilarious than a team with 3 Top 10 players, one being the best player in the league, failing to win a championship against a team with merely one superstar, and a collage of role players.

No?
LeBron did disappear, and I wouldn't call Bosh a Top 10 player.

Besides, it was their first year together, I mean would you consider the Lakers experiment a failure if they fail to win next year with two Top 5 players, top 5 PG and a Top 5 PF? Because Howard might walk if they don't succeed. Riley got the better deal since he locked 2 stars in their prime for 4-5 years, plus old man Wade. Lakers for now are just getting Howard coming off back surgery for 1 year, old man Nash+Kobe for 2 years and soft declining Gasol.

If the team plays to their potential, they will win, but there are too many question marks in a full season. Rested, healthy Bosh, Allen and Wade with LeBron will not just bend over, neither will OKC. This upcoming season will be really interesting.

[TheBigVeto]

Lakers for now are just getting Howard coming off back surgery for 1 year, old man Nash+Kobe for 2 years and soft declining Gasol.


That is a ready made excuse for the Faker fans.

[BlackVVaves]

LeBron did disappear, and I wouldn't call Bosh a Top 10 player.

Besides, it was their first year together, I mean would you consider the Lakers experiment a failure if they fail to win next year with two Top 5 players, top 5 PG and a Top 5 PF? Because Howard might walk if they don't succeed. Riley got the better deal since he locked 2 stars in their prime for 4-5 years, plus old man Wade. Lakers for now are just getting Howard coming off back surgery for 1 year, old man Nash+Kobe for 2 years and soft declining Gasol.

If the team plays to their potential, they will win, but there are too many question marks in a full season. Rested, healthy Bosh, Allen and Wade with LeBron will not just bend over, neither will OKC. This upcoming season will be really interesting.

Bosh was a Top 10 player in 2010-2011.

By the way, in no way, shape, or form am I predicting the Lakers will win. Miami are still the favorites until proven otherwise.

I'm just rebutting Pauk's agenda, which is always present when discussing the Lakers, Kobe, or Kobe // LeBron comparisons.

Which is truly ashame as he is quality poster in terms of his content when not marred by his agenda and/or biases.

[Graviton]

BTW all you Heat "fans", why the **** are you suddenly so scared. It's so funny, both you and Lakers fans are so similar. One side is scared of a new super team, they call them stacked, then when they start losing, LeBron is a choker, Bosh is soft and Wade a crybaby. Now Lakers have a superteam, they are stacked, I bet when they start losing Kobe/Nash is washed up grandpa, Gasol is soft and Howard is a crybaby.

Cmon make up your minds already, either you are scared of them or you realise 40 year old Nash, 34 year old Kobe, 32 year old Gasol and back surgery Howard all lead by Mike Brown is not the end of the world. If they win, good for them, they are not suddenly the most stacked team ever just by swapping #2 Center for the #1. It's an upgrade, but they are not getting Prime Shaq or Hakeem. OKC has #2 player in NBA, Top 3 PG and Top 5 SG along with solid defensive bigs and bench. Miami has best player, #2 SG, and Top 5 PF along with a solid bench. Lakers now have #1 SG, #1 Center, Top 5 PF and Top 5-7 PG.

[riseagainst]

LeBron did disappear, and I wouldn't call Bosh a Top 10 player.

Besides, it was their first year together, I mean would you consider the Lakers experiment a failure if they fail to win next year with two Top 5 players, top 5 PG and a Top 5 PF? Because Howard might walk if they don't succeed. Riley got the better deal since he locked 2 stars in their prime for 4-5 years, plus old man Wade. Lakers for now are just getting Howard coming off back surgery for 1 year, old man Nash+Kobe for 2 years and soft declining Gasol.

If the team plays to their potential, they will win, but there are too many question marks in a full season. Rested, healthy Bosh, Allen and Wade with LeBron will not just bend over, neither will OKC. This upcoming season will be really interesting.

bosh was a top 10 player right before the 2011 season.

[DaSeba5]

BTW all you Heat "fans", why the **** are you suddenly so scared. It's so funny, both you and Lakers fans are so similar. One side is scared of a new super team, they call them stacked, then when they start losing, LeBron is a choker, Bosh is soft and Wade a crybaby. Now Lakers have a superteam, they are stacked, I bet when they start losing Kobe/Nash is washed up grandpa, Gasol is soft and Howard is a crybaby.

Cmon make up your minds already, either you are scared of them or you realise 40 year old Nash, 34 year old Kobe, 32 year old Gasol and back surgery Howard all lead by Mike Brown is not the end of the world. If they win, good for them, they are not suddenly the most stacked team ever just by swapping #2 Center for the #1. It's an upgrade, but they are not getting Prime Shaq or Hakeem. OKC has #2 player in NBA, Top 3 PG and Top 5 SG along with solid defensive bigs and bench. Miami has best player, #2 SG, and Top 5 PF along with a solid bench. Lakers now have #1 SG, #1 Center, Top 5 PF and Top 5-7 PG.

Nobody is scared. Maybe the LeBron stans are. :confusedshrug:

[Mr Exlax]

This is hands down the most stacked starting line up in NBA history. It does not change the skill level of any of the players though. I don't see what the big deal is.

[CavaliersFTW]

This is hands down the most stacked starting line up in NBA history. It does not change the skill level of any of the players though. I don't see what the big deal is.
people who think this is the most stacked line up in history don't know their NBA history

[Optimus Prime]

people who think this is the most stacked line up in history don't know their NBA history

Exactly. But you must remember, most of the troll LeBron bandwagoners on this site who start these garbage threads have only started watching basketball within the last two years. :facepalm

Russell's Celtics anyone? Bird's Celtics? Magic's Lakers? The list could go on and on.

:kobe:

[Graviton]

Bosh was a Top 10 player in 2010-2011.

By the way, in no way, shape, or form am I predicting the Lakers will win. Miami are still the favorites until proven otherwise.

I'm just rebutting Pauk's agenda, which is always present when discussing the Lakers, Kobe, or Kobe // LeBron comparisons.

Which is truly ashame as he is quality poster in terms of his content when not marred by his agenda and/or biases.
I know what you mean, he does seem biased towards Lebron. Though his posts do contain some actual info, he tries too hard at times to prop up Lebron, and ends up bashing some old time great teams and players.

Personally I think Lebron is greatness in the making, there is no need to prop him up, he is 27 and will do it with his play. I think Lebron fans get too sensitive about Miami being "stacked" so they try to put down Wade/Bosh while praising Lebron.

[BlackVVaves]

BTW all you Heat "fans", why the **** are you suddenly so scared. It's so funny, both you and Lakers fans are so similar. One side is scared of a new super team, they call them stacked, then when they start losing, LeBron is a choker, Bosh is soft and Wade a crybaby. Now Lakers have a superteam, they are stacked, I bet when they start losing Kobe/Nash is washed up grandpa, Gasol is soft and Howard is a crybaby.

Cmon make up your minds already, either you are scared of them or you realise 40 year old Nash, 34 year old Kobe, 32 year old Gasol and back surgery Howard all lead by Mike Brown is not the end of the world. If they win, good for them, they are not suddenly the most stacked team ever just by swapping #2 Center for the #1. It's an upgrade, but they are not getting Prime Shaq or Hakeem. OKC has #2 player in NBA, Top 3 PG and Top 5 SG along with solid defensive bigs and bench. Miami has best player, #2 SG, and Top 5 PF along with a solid bench. Lakers now have #1 SG, #1 Center, Top 5 PF and Top 5-7 PG.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Refreshing to see someone else shares my precise sentiments.

LeBron stans disguised as Heat fans and Kobe stans diluting the Laker fanbase are the same low quality, agenda striken posters.

[Mr Exlax]

people who think this is the most stacked line up in history don't know their NBA history

Well to be honest I didn't watch basketball in the 80's bro. It's my opinion that this is the most stacked starting line up in NBA history. You missed the whole point. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING A STACKED LINEUP? THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT ANY OF THE PLAYERS GOT BETTER. JUST THEIR TEAMMATES.

[BlackVVaves]

This is hands down the most stacked starting line up in NBA history. It does not change the skill level of any of the players though. I don't see what the big deal is.

And then we have teenagers who just started watching the NBA in 2003 :facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

Exactly. But you must remember, most of the troll LeBron bandwagoners on this site who start these garbage threads have only started watching basketball within the last two years. :facepalm

Russell's Celtics anyone? Bird's Celtics? Magic's Lakers? The list could go on and on.

:kobe:
Aren't you the idiot mocking the city of Cleveland? STFU I'm not here to back your stupid @ss up, your obviously just another Kobetard on an agenda rant at war with the Lebron stans. I'm pointing out an unbias fact, not taking sides in your stupid fanboy war.

[BlackVVaves]

Well to be honest I didn't watch basketball in the 80's bro. It's my opinion that this is the most stacked starting line up in NBA history. You missed the whole point. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING A STACKED LINEUP? THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT ANY OF THE PLAYERS GOT BETTER. JUST THEIR TEAMMATES.

The portion you capitalized is true, though you are looking at it from a very black and white point of you.

For example, Howard may not get "better," but if you don't think Nash, who made Gortat look like a borderline All-Star in many posters opinion throughout last season, is going to increase his production, then shame on you.

[Mr Exlax]

And then we have teenagers who just started watching the NBA in 2003 :facepalm

I didn't start watching the NBA until the 90's killer. I'll still argue that this is the most stacked starting line up in NBA history. It's my fu*king opinion nicca. They're old or whatever, but they're still very very good. Kobe was still lethal last year. Nash was still lethal last year. Gasol was held back by Mike Brown's offensive sets or lack there of. Artest can still score if need be. I'm only upset about the fact that the Rockets didn't get Howard or Bynum. I'm years old co*sucker.

[Mr Exlax]

The portion you capitalized is true, though you are looking at it from a very black and white point of you.

For example, Howard may not get "better," but if you don't think Nash, who made Gortat look like a borderline All-Star in many posters opinion throughout last season, is going to increase his production, then shame on you.

I'm not an idiot bro. I'm stating the fact that I don't see why people are whining about stacked line ups. That's the point I'm trying to make. Kobe is going to be as good as he was last year even if they win a ring this season.

[Optimus Prime]

Aren't you the idiot mocking the city of Cleveland? STFU I'm not here to back your stupid @ss up, your obviously just another Kobetard on an agenda rant at war with the Lebron stans. I'm pointing out an unbias fact, not taking sides in your stupid fanboy war.

So mad. Back to the ignore list you go. :facepalm

Cleveland :lol

:kobe:

[CavaliersFTW]

Well to be honest I didn't watch basketball in the 80's bro. It's my opinion that this is the most stacked starting line up in NBA history. You missed the whole point. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING A STACKED LINEUP? THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT ANY OF THE PLAYERS GOT BETTER. JUST THEIR TEAMMATES.
I understood your point, but I couldn't ignore the claim. Why call it the most stacked lineup in NBA history especially if your totally aware of your own ignorance of NBA history...

It's like a child proclaiming President Clinton or Bush or Obama as the greatest president in United States history. It's so cute, yet so naive. Your post can't be taken seriously when you say something like that. I do get your point though, but for the sake of credibility maybe try avoiding making such an audacious claim :lol

[BlackVVaves]

I'm not an idiot bro. I'm stating the fact that I don't see why people are whining about stacked line ups. That's the point I'm trying to make. Kobe is going to be as good as he was last year even if they win a ring this season.

I don't think Kobe will be as good, and if he still averages 28 PPG, I'd consider that a serious problem.

I do agree about the whining about stacked teams part. I feel that should only be addressed when comparing a player's supporting cast to another's, at both player's points in their careers.

Championship teams are typically just that - championship teams. There are not many teams that have won with simply one HoFer.

Now, I have a particularly negative opinion on how say a team like the Heat were assembled, but in terms of their team being very talented, I see no issue.

[BlackVVaves]

I understood your point, but I couldn't ignore the claim. Why call it the most stacked lineup in NBA history especially if your totally aware of your own ignorance of NBA history...

It's like a child proclaiming President Clinton or Bush or Obama as the greatest president in United States history. It's so cute, yet so naive. Your post can't be taken seriously when you say something like that. I do get your point though, but for the sake of credibility maybe try avoiding making such an audacious claim :lol

Spot on.

[Graviton]

I have been reading the forum for like a year until my account was finally activated. I basically know most posters here and their tendencies, and it seems like you are either on Team Lebron or Kobe and your job is to rip on the opposing team/player. There are still actual objective posters who like basketball and can discuss it without any bias towards specific players or a hidden agenda, but the brainless follower/logical debater ratio is ridiculous. It's like we are in basketball Twilight and have to pick between the ripped young guy(Lebron) or the 100+ year old vampire(Kobe).

[DaSeba5]

I have been reading the forum for like a year until my account was finally activated. I basically know most posters here and their tendencies, and it seems like you are either on Team Lebron or Kobe and your job is to rip on the opposing team/player. There are still actual objective posters who like basketball and can discuss it without any bias towards specific players or a hidden agenda, but the brainless follower/logical debater ratio is ridiculous. It's like we are in basketball Twilight and have to pick between the ripped young guy(Lebron) or the 100+ year old vampire(Kobe).

Correct. This forum isn't a serious place at all. There's really no mods here, so people love to troll here.

[r15mohd]

I don't think Kobe will be as good, and if he still averages 28 PPG, I'd consider that a serious problem.

I do agree about the whining about stacked teams part. I feel that should only be addressed when comparing a player's supporting cast to another's, at both player's points in their careers.

Championship teams are typically just that - championship teams. There are not many teams that have won with simply one HoFer.

Now, I have a particularly negative opinion on how say a team like the Heat were assembled, but in terms of their team being very talented, I see no issue.

What's the issue on the way they were assembled? Riley tanked for years to lead them to the summer of 2010 and those blockbuster signings, players can say they want to play together if they want...Dwight's done it for years with Deron, why no "comments" on his intentions...was it because its public?

Seems its just biased...last year and year before the Heat were so "stacked", yet only three players accounted for their performance in most games. Maybe 3.5 with a showing of Chalmers or Miller, and recently Battier. Now that the Lakers have 4 All-star players and a good defender in Artest, it's just a "championship caliber team"

homers will be homers! :facepalm

[Dw1ll]

:lol