I don't think anyone's had more talented teammates than Kobe?

[Derivative]

Player's Kobe has played throughout his career:

1. Prime Shaq, 1 time MVP, second most dominant player in history at his peak
2. Karl Malone, 2 time MVP, top 3 PF in history.
3. Steve Nash, 2 time MVP, arguably the best PG of the 2000s, one of the best passers and shooters in history.
4. Gary Payton, 1 time DPOY, top 3 PG of the 1990s, one of the best perimeter defender in history
5. Pau Gasol, top 5 PF in the late 2000s.
6. Andrew Bynum, current, top 2 center, currently most dominant center offensively
7. Ron artest, 1 time DPOY, one of the best perimeter defender of this era.

[BallsOut]

Player's Kobe has played throughout his career:

1. Prime Shaq, 1 time MVP, second most dominant player in history at his peak
2. Karl Malone, 2 time MVP, top 3 PF in history.
3. Steve Nash, 2 time MVP, arguably the best PG of the 2000s, one of the best passers and shooters in history.
4. Pau Gasol, top 5 PF in the late 2000s.
5. Andrew Bynum, current, top 2 center, currently most dominant center offensively
6. Ron artest, 1 time MVP, one of the best perimeter defender of this era.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Trolling is obvious.

[StateOfMind12]

The only people that are going to deny that his teammates weren't that great are Kobe fans. He has always had the most stacked and dominant front-courts relative to the league. When Kobe did have scrub teammates from '05-'07, he was pretty demanding to be traded so I always find it funny when Kobe fans talk about how he is loyal and competitive when he really wanted to leave when his team sucked.

I give him credit for playing hard night in and night out despite not wanting to be there anymore though in '07.

[I LUV KOBE]

Kobe carried all of them..

[Umad101]

Maybe u should look at the teammates of shaq before u write this garbage up

[DurantFor40]

:facepalm

At least get the achievements right.

[RazorBaLade]

i dont think ur over 15 years old

[Derivative]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Trolling is obvious.

typo dumbass

[Yao Ming's Foot]

5 rings with 1 HOF/ All star per title team.

:applause:

[Poetry]

Kobe carried all of them..

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4920970629_7fb8758dbc.jpg

[DonDadda59]

you forgot Gary Payton, just saying. Plus having guys like Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, and Lamar Odom never hurts the W column.

[PJR]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Trolling is obvious.

Obviously, he meant DPOY.

Point of the post still stands.

Kobrick has been extremely fortunate to play for the Lakers. A organization that has more resources to improve than ANY. And yet this fakkit still had the audacity to demand a trade in 2007 after two years of rebuilding. :oldlol:

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe = greatest coat-tail rider in the history of sports.

[PJR]

Kobe = greatest coat-tail rider in the history of sports.

Facts.org

[Notitlesince73]

I mean, i can troll also.

Shaq
Boozer
Ben Wallace
Ilgauskas
Sczerbiak
Mo Williams
Jamison
Bibby
Wade
Bosh
Juwan Howard
Stackhouse
Magloire

All all stars that played with lebron http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7569/kobelol.png

[Poetry]

you forgot Gary Payton, just saying. Plus having guys like Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, and Lamar Odom never hurts the W column.

Of late, it seems that people have forgotten how valuable Odom was. There was a time when they used to compare him to Pippen, as far as swiss army knife players go.

[ripthekik]

Lebron = never won until he teamed up with a NBA top 3 FMVP champion and a prime top 5 PF who led his own team for 7+ years. :confusedshrug:

[DirtySanchez]

Lmao wow love how you ignorant haters find anything to throw rocks at the throne.

Kobe resume and legacy is engraved kids. Shut the fck up and show respect.

[D-Rose]

Actually, I'd say Shaq has played with more big name, superstars in their prime...Penny, Kobe, Wade, LBJ. Not to mention all-stars such as in Boston or PHX.

[JM720]

Player's Kobe has played throughout his career:

1. Prime Shaq, 1 time MVP, second most dominant player in history at his peak
2. Karl Malone, 2 time MVP, top 3 PF in history.
3. Steve Nash, 2 time MVP, arguably the best PG of the 2000s, one of the best passers and shooters in history.
4. Pau Gasol, top 5 PF in the late 2000s.
5. Andrew Bynum, current, top 2 center, currently most dominant center offensively
6. Ron artest, 1 time DPOY, one of the best perimeter defender of this era.

Shaq:
Penny
Kobe
Lebron
Malone
Nash
Ray Allen
KG
Rondo
Pierce
Wade
Mourning
Payton
etc...

[swag2011]

It's funny how nearly every damn all time great has had great teammates, but when Kobe does, it's a sin. GTFOH with that BS. Yall haters stay reaching to try and discredit any and everything Kobe has accomplished. He played a huge role in each and every one of those championships and deserves em.

[KobesFinger]

Player's Kobe has played throughout his career:

1. Prime Shaq, 1 time MVP, second most dominant player in history at his peak
2. Karl Malone, 2 time MVP, top 3 PF in history.
3. Steve Nash, 2 time MVP, arguably the best PG of the 2000s, one of the best passers and shooters in history.
4. Pau Gasol, top 5 PF in the late 2000s.
5. Andrew Bynum, current, top 2 center, currently most dominant center offensively
6. Ron artest, 1 time DPOY, one of the best perimeter defender of this era.

Come on, the Mailman was 40, Nash is 38 and the Lakers drafted Bynum. As someone above me said, look at Shaq's teammates: prime Penny, young Kobe, Wade, Nash, prime LeBron and Rondo. And if you want to include old future HOFs, then Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Mourning, Malone and Payton twice

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Player's Kobe has played throughout his career:

1. Prime Shaq, 1 time MVP, second most dominant player in history at his peak
2. Karl Malone, 2 time MVP, top 3 PF in history.
3. Steve Nash, 2 time MVP, arguably the best PG of the 2000s, one of the best passers and shooters in history.
4. Gary Payton, 1 time DPOY, top 3 PG of the 1990s, one of the best perimeter defender in history
5. Pau Gasol, top 5 PF in the late 2000s.
6. Andrew Bynum, current, top 2 center, currently most dominant center offensively
7. Ron artest, 1 time DPOY, one of the best perimeter defender of this era.


stop complaining u b!tch a$$ N!GGA

[Round Mound]

Almost as Lucky and Overrated as Bill Russell

[Hank]

Kobe = greatest coat-tail rider in the history of sports.

Give LeBron or Wade a Prime Shaq for 8 seasons and they win more than 3 rings. Shaq during those years in LA was the most dominant force I've ever seen (Surpassing MJ easily).

The Shaq that got traded to Miami was already breaking down with 2 injuries and a bad back (thats why he saw 10 minutes LESS per game in Miami than he did with LA).. ...and Wade still won a ring with a broken down Shaq, and would have had 2 rings if Wade didn't get injured in the 2005 ECF vs the Pistons when the Heat were leading that series 3 games to 2 (The same Pistons who destroyed Kobe and the Fakers in 5 games the year before)

[B]

Player's Kobe has played throughout his career:

1. Prime Shaq
2. Karl Malone
3. Steve Nash
4. Gary Payton
5. Pau Gasol
6. Andrew Bynum
7. Ron artest Good list... These are some lucky guys. Not everyone gets to team up with a guy of Kobe's talents.

[Legends66NBA7]

I could only imagine what happens if the Lakers some how get Dwight Howard... this place is going to be unbearable.

And no, I don't think Kobe's had the most talentd teammates... at least not all at one time or for a sustained amount of time. And what they produced all together, no I don't think so.

[RazorBaLade]

[QUOTE=B

[Heavincent]

Shaq had better teammates.

Penny Hardaway - great SG
Kobe - Legend, top 10 player all time
Dwyane Wade - Top 10 SG all time.
Lebron - 3X MVP, 1X FMVP
Steve Nash - 2X MVP
Gary Payton - 1 time DPOY, top 3 PG of the 1990s, one of the best perimeter defender in history
Karl Malone - 2 time MVP, top 5 PF in history
Ray Allen - Greatest shooter of all time
Paul Pierce - Great SF
KG - One of the greatest PF's of all time
Rondo - Great PG

See, I can do this too. :confusedshrug:

[I LUV KOBE]

Lol at this thread.. They team up with Kobe coz they all want to win rings.. Shaq team up with Kobe finally got his rings, Artest, Gasol and Bynum got their rings.. The reason why Malone and Payton didnt win with Kobe coz of Shaq still wanting to be the man eventhough Kobe already better and surpass him that time.. Shaq sabotage Kobe that year coz he doesnt want Kobe to win FMVP.. Shaq is selfish thats why his butt been kick out in Lakers..

Now Nash teaming up with Kobe will finally going to get his rings..

[SevereUpInHere]

Shaq had better teammates.

Penny Hardaway - great SG
Kobe - Legend, top 10 player all time
Dwyane Wade - Top 10 SG all time.
Lebron - 3X MVP, 1X FMVP
Steve Nash - 2X MVP
Gary Payton - 1 time DPOY, top 3 PG of the 1990s, one of the best perimeter defender in history
Karl Malone - 2 time MVP, top 5 PF in history
Ray Allen - Greatest shooter of all time
Paul Pierce - Great SF
KG - One of the greatest PF's of all time
Rondo - Great PG

See, I can do this too. :confusedshrug:


This. Shaq has played with far more Allstars and future HOF players than anyone I can think of.

[PJR]

Nobody tries to compare Shaq's career or narrative with Jordan, though.

Kobrick stans do on the regular.

Next.

[BuffaloBill]

Shaq had better teammates.

Penny Hardaway - great SG
Kobe - Legend, top 10 player all time
Dwyane Wade - Top 10 SG all time.
Lebron - 3X MVP, 1X FMVP
Steve Nash - 2X MVP
Gary Payton - 1 time DPOY, top 3 PG of the 1990s, one of the best perimeter defender in history
Karl Malone - 2 time MVP, top 5 PF in history
Ray Allen - Greatest shooter of all time
Paul Pierce - Great SF
KG - One of the greatest PF's of all time
Rondo - Great PG

See, I can do this too. :confusedshrug:


This.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Player's Kobe has played throughout his career:

1. Prime Shaq, 1 time MVP, second most dominant player in history at his peak
2. Karl Malone, 2 time MVP, top 3 PF in history.
3. Steve Nash, 2 time MVP, arguably the best PG of the 2000s, one of the best passers and shooters in history.
4. Gary Payton, 1 time DPOY, top 3 PG of the 1990s, one of the best perimeter defender in history
5. Pau Gasol, top 5 PF in the late 2000s.
6. Andrew Bynum, current, top 2 center, currently most dominant center offensively
7. Ron artest, 1 time DPOY, one of the best perimeter defender of this era.
Wrong!

Dwyane Wade's 2006 Heat had Shaq, Gary Payton, Alonzo Mourning, Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem, Derek Anderson, James Posey, Shannon Anderson and Jason Kapono. 2006 Heat > 90' Bulls, Magic and Kobe's Lakers, 80's and '08-'10 Celtics Super Teams.

[Dictator]

Nash Kobe MWP Pau Bynum is Stacked?

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Take Kobe off the team and then look at it.

Nash ??? Peace Pau Bynum

Fisher Kobe Ariza Pau Bynum is Stacked?

:lol

Lebron fans:facepalm

[kNicKz]

2006 Heat > 90' Bulls, Magic and Kobe's Lakers, 80's and '08-'10 Celtics Super Teams.
:facepalm

[Poetry]

Take Kobe off the team and then look at it.

Nash ??? Peace Pau Bynum

I've always wondered if Bynum could shoulder taking 18-22 shots a game.

[DaHeezy]

As a contritbutor or as a star player?

Because Pat Riley played with:

Wilt
KAJ
Baylor
West
Hawkins

That's pretty stacked

[G-Funk]

http://espnish.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/KobeShaq.jpg

[G-Funk]

Shaq had better teammates.

Penny Hardaway - great SG
Kobe - Legend, top 10 player all time
Dwyane Wade - Top 10 SG all time.
Lebron - 3X MVP, 1X FMVP
Steve Nash - 2X MVP
Gary Payton - 1 time DPOY, top 3 PG of the 1990s, one of the best perimeter defender in history
Karl Malone - 2 time MVP, top 5 PF in history
Ray Allen - Greatest shooter of all time
Paul Pierce - Great SF
KG - One of the greatest PF's of all time
Rondo - Great PG

See, I can do this too. :confusedshrug:



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oGXmDoTW9pA/TBuhcnpn03I/AAAAAAAAAEQ/S2Eo_p4NdV0/s1600/Kobe+Smaqs+Shaq+Final-Color1.jpg

[swag2011]

Give LeBron or Wade a Prime Shaq for 8 seasons and they win more than 3 rings. Shaq during those years in LA was the most dominant force I've ever seen (Surpassing MJ easily).

The Shaq that got traded to Miami was already breaking down with 2 injuries and a bad back (thats why he saw 10 minutes LESS per game in Miami than he did with LA).. ...and Wade still won a ring with a broken down Shaq, and would have had 2 rings if Wade didn't get injured in the 2005 ECF vs the Pistons when the Heat were leading that series 3 games to 2 (The same Pistons who destroyed Kobe and the Fakers in 5 games the year before)

I always find it funny when lebron stans say this. You say put Lebron on those teams with a prime shaq and they win, yet do really think Lebron would win a finals MVP over a PRIME SHAQ? Yet you bitches stay crucifying Kobe, saying he got carried to those 3 rings b/c he didn't win finals MVP then.

[Quickening]

Nash Kobe MWP Pau Bynum is Stacked?

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Take Kobe off the team and then look at it.

Nash ??? Peace Pau Bynum

Fisher Kobe Ariza Pau Bynum is Stacked?

:lol

Lebron fans:facepalm

Kobe is past it, and is now just an inefficient shot jacker who plays hopeless defence... taking him off that team doesn't make a huge difference... Nash, Pau and Bynum still potentially very good.

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe is past it, and is now just an inefficient shot jacker who plays hopeless defence... taking him off that team doesn't make a huge difference... Nash, Pau and Bynum still potentially very good.

****** alert

[BlackVVaves]

I love when a thread backfires :roll: :roll: :roll:

Wade, Lebron, and Shaq have played with more "All Stars" than Kobe.

And as soon as posters start seeing that, they switch to "How dare Kobe ask for a trade in 2007, he's such a ungrateful player, no Top 10 All Time list for you!!!" :roll:

Good laugh before I knock out. You guys are the best. Especially you Derative. You're the best.

And when I say best, I mean flaming f u c k b o y who lives in Lebron's asshole and eats a piece of his scrotum every time before you post.

The absolute best :oldlol:

[SyRyanYang]

OMG haters are so insecure these days:lebroncry:

[NoName22]

Kobe... Making these **** boys mad since '96.

:djparty

[Sound and Fury]

The question - if you cut out the agenda in the OP - is actually a fascinating one. Who *has* played with the most all-star teammates over the course of their career? (For sake of argument, let's limit it to guys who were themselves all-stars at some point).

Here are Scottie Pippen's teammates who were at some point in their career all-stars (he played with 17 of them).

Charles Barkley (10-time all-star)
Bill Cartwright (all-star)
Antonio Davis (all-star)
Dale Davis (all-star)
Artis Gilmore (11-time all-star - 6 times in the ABA, 5 times in the NBA)
Horace Grant (all-star)
Michael Jordan (14-time all-star)
Shawn Kemp (6-time all-star)
Jermaine O'Neal (5-time all-star)
Charles Oakley (all-star)
Hakeem Olajuwon (12-time all-star)
Robert Parish (9 time all-star)
Zach Randolph (all-star)
Dennis Rodman (2 time all-star)
Detlef Schrempf (3-time all-star)
Steve Smith (all-star)
Rasheed Wallace (4-time all-star)

Charles Barkley played with 22 guys who made the all-star team at least once:

Danny Ainge
Cedric Ceballos
Tom Chambers
Maurice Cheeks
Clyde Drexler
Michael Finley
Steve Francis
World B. Free
AC Green
Hersey Hawkins
Julius Irving
Kevin Johnson
Bobby Jones
Dan Majerle
Moses Malone
Danny Manning
Bob McAdoo
Hakeem Olajuwon
Scottie Pippen
Andrew Toney
Jayson Williams
Kevin Willis

[pauk]

Pretty much.

[pauk]

Kobe... Making these **** boys mad since '96.

:djparty

There was nothing to be "mad" about Kobe in 96... as a 7 ppg benchwarming scrub he wasnt good enough to be even anywhere close to a sidekick... not even in 97 as Eddie Jones was even better... wasnt until his 3rd-4th year until he got a starting job to officially ride Shaq...

[Owl]

The question - if you cut out the agenda in the OP - is actually a fascinating one. Who *has* played with the most all-star teammates over the course of their career? (For sake of argument, let's limit it to guys who were themselves all-stars at some point).

Here are Scottie Pippen's teammates who were at some point in their career all-stars (he played with 17 of them).

Charles Barkley (10-time all-star)
Bill Cartwright (all-star)
Antonio Davis (all-star)
Dale Davis (all-star)
Artis Gilmore (11-time all-star - 6 times in the ABA, 5 times in the NBA)
Horace Grant (all-star)
Michael Jordan (14-time all-star)
Shawn Kemp (6-time all-star)
Jermaine O'Neal (5-time all-star)
Charles Oakley (all-star)
Hakeem Olajuwon (12-time all-star)
Robert Parish (9 time all-star)
Zach Randolph (all-star)
Dennis Rodman (2 time all-star)
Detlef Schrempf (3-time all-star)
Steve Smith (all-star)
Rasheed Wallace (4-time all-star)

Charles Barkley played with 22 guys who made the all-star team at least once:

Danny Ainge
Cedric Ceballos
Tom Chambers
Maurice Cheeks
Clyde Drexler
Julius Erving
Michael Finley
Steve Francis
World B. Free
AC Green
Hersey Hawkins
Kevin Johnson
Bobby Jones
Dan Majerle
Moses Malone
Danny Manning
Bob McAdoo
Hakeem Olajuwon
Scottie Pippen
Andrew Toney
Jayson Williams
Kevin Willis
Interesting, though this method (literally, the largest number of talented teammates) disadvantages players who moved about a lot (if you actually use that to imply that they had the greatest supporting cast). If you were to use all-star appearances (and I think they're somewhat flakey) I'd count all-stars appearances whilst playing with the star.

[RazorBaLade]

Ya know whats crazy?

He's never had 3 all stars at the same time on his team.

Never.

Someone with that kind of talent is imo what a big deal should be made about.

[jalbert009]

I mean, i can troll also.

Shaq
Boozer
Ben Wallace
Ilgauskas
Sczerbiak
Mo Williams
Jamison
Bibby
Wade
Bosh
Juwan Howard
Stackhouse
Magloire

All all stars that played with lebron http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7569/kobelol.png

When was Bibby an All atar?

:biggums:

[NumberSix]

Lol at this thread.. They team up with Kobe coz they all want to win rings.. Shaq team up with Kobe finally got his rings, Artest, Gasol and Bynum got their rings.. The reason why Malone and Payton didnt win with Kobe coz of Shaq still wanting to be the man eventhough Kobe already better and surpass him that time.. Shaq sabotage Kobe that year coz he doesnt want Kobe to win FMVP.. Shaq is selfish thats why his butt been kick out in Lakers..

Now Nash teaming up with Kobe will finally going to get his rings..
You are 12

[I LUV KOBE]

You are 12
Why are you so obsessed with me!?:mad: Always quoting me like that.. For GAWDBe sake Im not ****ing 12 yr old.. :mad: :mad:

[AK47DR91]

Kobe = greatest coat-tail rider in the history of sports.
:bowdown: The truth!

[Optimus Prime]

Player's Kobe has played throughout his career:

1. Prime Shaq, 1 time MVP, second most dominant player in history at his peak
2. Karl Malone, 2 time MVP, top 3 PF in history.
3. Steve Nash, 2 time MVP, arguably the best PG of the 2000s, one of the best passers and shooters in history.
4. Gary Payton, 1 time DPOY, top 3 PG of the 1990s, one of the best perimeter defender in history
5. Pau Gasol, top 5 PF in the late 2000s.
6. Andrew Bynum, current, top 2 center, currently most dominant center offensively
7. Ron artest, 1 time DPOY, one of the best perimeter defender of this era.

Kids so mad. :kobe:

[Mr Exlax]

Yall need to look at the players from the years that they played with each other. Pause.

[Poetry]

Ya know whats crazy?

He's never had 3 all stars at the same time on his team.

Never.

Someone with that kind of talent is imo what a big deal should be made about.

He's almost always had All-Star caliber teammates though.

The injury slowed Bynum's development but by 2007-08 he was playing at a near All-Star level. From then on, the Lakers had 4 All-Star caliber players in Bryant, Gasol, Odom and Bynum, not to mention, later on, former All-Star Ron Artest who was consistently overlooked during All-Star voting, probably because of his reputation. I was actually shocked to see Artest was only voted into 1 All-Star game.

Kobe made an all-star game in '98 averaging 15 points on .428 shooting.

Sometimes guys just get voted into the All-Star game and other guys get overlooked in certain years.

But All-Star caliber years are as good as All-Star years, so long as the production (and efficiency) are there.

[LAClipsFan33]

Front office and coaching wise...

Kobe is the LUCKIEST player in the history of the NBA not named Magic Johnson

[LakersReign]

Just gotta love bandwagon Lebron fan aka Lebronyte logic. Everything Kobe does is cuz of "luck." But everything Lebron does is cuz of skills and hard work. The sad part about it is, they're delusional enough to think that REASONABLE people will be stupid enough to actually buy into that load of hot garbage:facepalm

[guy]

People that are bringing up Shaq are being misleading. Since he's played on so many teams, he's played with alot of different great players. Its not like he was playing with all those players at the same time. Shaq playing with KG for 1 year isn't the same as Kobe playing with Lamar Odom for 7 years. But when you just list names, you're implying that there wasn't a difference in the length of time they played with each other. On average, year-to-year they've played with about just as great talent.

[Cali Syndicate]

This. Shaq has played with far more Allstars and future HOF players than anyone I can think of.

True, but Shaq was a journey-man moving from established team to established team. In Kobe's case, the Lakers organization keeps bringing in the pieces minus Shaq seeing that they came in together.

[jjayfive]

Hating is a sickness!!!!!

[Derivative]

bump