Steve Nash: "Not sure You Can Categorize Rose and Westbrook As PG's"

[Clippersfan86]

I'm surprised this thread wasn't made considering it's such a common ISH argument. This quote is from Nash's interview on Max and Marcellus when asked who the best PG in LA is now.

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not sure bout rose i think he's a pg but wb is a combo guard

[dunksby]

So should we start categorizing them as Super Guards? Cause that's what Nash thinks we should do.

[Clippersfan86]

not sure bout rose i think he's a pg but wb is a combo guard

I agree Rose actually has a case as a PG, Westbrook doesn't. Rose's passing game looked much improved this year and he seemed to be thinking more like a PG. His team finally had to tell him to start shooting more again :oldlol: .

[Clippersfan86]

So should we start categorizing them as Super Guards? Cause that's what Nash thinks we should do.

Sure. To me super guard in this context seems like a combo guard reference though.

[dunksby]

Sure. To me super guard in this context seems like a combo guard reference though.
lol keep cherry picking, cause to me it seems like he is saying those two play on another level to be categorized as mere PGs.

[Clippersfan86]

lol keep cherry picking, cause to me it seems like he is saying those two play on another level to be categorized as mere PGs.

Which would be what? If he singles out Rose and Westbrook to call CP3+Deron the best "Point Guards" what are you guessing he's implying? He's calling Rose+Westbrook combo guards in a very complimentary way because for whatever reason combo guard has a bad meaning to some (exactly why you don't like me calling Westbrook a combo guard). I don't think combo guard is an insult. Admitting WB+DR are combo guards doesn't mean they can't be top 5 players or elite at their position...

[dunksby]

Which would be what? If he singles out Rose and Westbrook to call CP3+Deron the best "Point Guards" what are you guessing he's implying? He's calling Rose+Westbrook combo guards in a very complimentary way because for whatever reason combo guard has a bad meaning to some (exactly why you don't like me calling Westbrook a combo guard).
No, Nash definitely sees that Rose and Westbrook are the best two at their post and they do much more than what an ordinary PG would do so they stay a class higher than the rest who play at the PG position.

[Clippersfan86]

No, Nash definitely sees that Rose and Westbrook are the best two at their post and because they do much more than what an ordinary PG would do so they stay a class higher than the rest who play at the PG position.

We can agree to disagree but these comments are interesting coming from Nash nonetheless. Like I said.. ties in to one of the most common ISH arguments.

[dunksby]

We can agree to disagree but these comments are interesting coming from Nash nonetheless. Like I said.. ties in to one of the most common ISH arguments.
Yea it proves that Rose and Westbrook are only comparable to themselves, the rest come far behind.

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[Vienceslav]

Well the game evolves constantly and what was once percieved as point guard is now a dying breed of players Nash/Kidd/Stockton , though some guys still hold the flag for these guys high Rondo/CP3 , teams are slowly drafting these athletic guys who are MJ/Kobe in 6

[SacJB Shady]

Is Tony Parker a super guard or a point guard?

[Clippersfan86]

Yea it proves that Rose and Westbrook are only comparable to themselves, the rest come far behind.

Chris Paul: 1st team all NBA, 1st team all NBA defense, Team USA starter, starter of all star game. Is this the path you want to go down? Westbrook isn't there yet.

[livingby3's]

Which would be what? If he singles out Rose and Westbrook to call CP3+Deron the best "Point Guards" what are you guessing he's implying? He's calling Rose+Westbrook combo guards in a very complimentary way because for whatever reason combo guard has a bad meaning to some (exactly why you don't like me calling Westbrook a combo guard). I don't think combo guard is an insult. Admitting WB+DR are combo guards doesn't mean they can't be top 5 players or elite at their position...

QFT.

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[Clutch]

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[PickernRoller]

Russel is a combo guard period. Rose is a PG exploiting his athleticism to score. With that he becomes an offensive threat and thus allows him to create better shots for his team mates whom are unable to create their own shots on a consistent basis. Were Rose be with another All-star like say a Kobe or Dirk you would see him passing the ball more like Rondo does to his big 3. As his athleticism fades he'll rely more on passing and less shooting. It all depends on who he's surrounded with. Like I said, he's gifted athletically and taking full advantage of it to be as successful as he's. Can you imagine a different Rose with this team, lets say a Nash type of Rose with this Bull's team? Changes completely the dynamics of the team and probably the level of success they might attain.

You could even say Phoenix success could have benefited from some selfish and scoring mentality of Nash when the team lacked guys that could "crack the whip" in decisive moments.

[rawimpact]

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why are you laughing? you're half as bad...

[kNIOKAS]

Is Tony Parker a super guard or a point guard?
IMo good point. Knowing he held the points in the paint category for some years, it's clear he's not a pure point guard. Knowing that he is an awesome guard playing in San Antonio that nobody cares about, he might just be a super guard.

[Punpun]

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DUDE YOU POST JUST AS MUCH AS HIM

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[Yung D-Will]

Westbrook isn't a better player than Rondo.

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[MaxFly]

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Let's do some quick math, here... Jan 2011... let's say the very end of Jan just to give him the benefit of the doubt. As of today, we're talking about a little more than 520 days, which is an average of 40.6 posts a day. :eek:


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[PyrrhusX]

The point guard position is evolving with Rose and WB leading the change. Is it better or worse? Well that answer will vary from individual to individual.

[DCL]

there's a weird prejudice for being labeled a "combo guard" because it usually means you're just short guy playing at the 2 but ain't really got true 1 skills. think steve francis.

for these "combo guards", if they're more likely to drop 30 or even 40 points than to dish out 15 times, they think you're a ball hog, which isn't really what a point is supposed to do.

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[CelticBaller]

SG stands for super guard? :banana:

[Blue&Orange]

Sure. To me super guard in this context seems like a combo guard reference though.
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[Poetry]

The point guard position is evolving with Rose and WB leading the change. Is it better or worse? Well that answer will vary from individual to individual.

I don't know that it's evolving, we're just seeing athletic-combo guards make an impact that can't be ignored. So teams are forced to adjust to their players, instead of inhibiting their player's strengths.

Chris Paul is still seen as the quintessential point guard in the league for a reason.

[chosen_one6]

Let's do some quick math, here... Jan 2011... let's say the very end of Jan just to give him the benefit of the doubt. As of today, we're talking about a little more than 520 days, which is an average of 40.6 posts a day. :eek:


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I like how the thread turned from combo guard discussion to clowning on a dude for his post count

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[Clippersfan86]

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I like how the thread turned from combo guard discussion to clowning on a dude for his post count

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The funny thing is they think it will bother me. I post a ton and know I post a ton... so obviously I'm not going to be embarrassed about it. I like posting here and like a lot of people here :confusedshrug: . I can easily make 3 alternate accounts like all these low post count trolls and hide but why should I? Lots to talk about here on ISH.

[chosen_one6]

The funny thing is they think it will bother me. I post a ton and know I post a ton... so obviously I'm not going to be embarrassed about it. I like posting here and like a lot of people here :confusedshrug: . I can easily make 3 alternate accounts like all these low post count trolls and hide but why should I? Lots to talk about here on ISH.

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[guy]

I heard the interview and it seemed like he referring more to how crazy athletic and strong they are. Didn't sound like he was emphasizing there shoot-first mentality at all.

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[Doranku]

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Meh, who cares? The dude likes to talk ball just like everyone else on this forum does. What's wrong with that?

[pauk]

They are combo-guards.. or more accurately speaking true Shooting-Guards starting PG due to matchups considering their size....

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well Nash has a point. Id say Rose is a PG, Westbrook is not.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Jesus Christ some of you guys are stupid. Rose and Westbrook are just PGs who need to score a lot. I mean you guys act like Kevin Durant should be shooting 30+ times a game. Who else is going to score for the Bulls? In fact, Rose shooting more actually helps them because when he misses, he draws so much attention that it opens up the offensive glass for his team (which also happens to be the best rebounding team in the league, specifically on the offensive boards).

When has Rose ever been a SG? Just because he is a gifted scorer doesn't mean he isn't a PG.

Is Dwight Howard not a Center because he doesn't play with his back to the basket all the time? Was David Robinson not a real Center because he had a face-up game?

[TeamLAC]

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You just called someone a nerd over an internet forum, bro. It's easy to talk tough from behind a computer screen. But don't worry I'm sure you pull in chicks like no other in real life, right? :confusedshrug:

[D12"Magic"]

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[liquidrage]

Westbrook and Rose are definitely combo guards right now.


Rose wasn't picked #1 overall to go 4/9 with 9 assists. He needs to score. The Bulls are better when he scores.

Westbrook started off his career much closer to a true PG. That's when Jeff Green started along side Durant and Kristic started at center and Westbrook avg'd 8 assists for 3 years.

Minus Jeff Green Westbrook moved more towards combo guard and no one should apologize for that, he's great at it, the Thunder to me are the best offensive team in the NBA, and a bunch of 23 year old kids just made it to the NBA finals and have improved each year of the last 4.

Rose and Westbrook do what their teams need them to, and do it really ****ing well at that. All-NBA well.