Lebron's, Jordan's & Kobe's careers at the age of 27...

[pauk]

LEBRON JAMES:

3 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
8 x NBA All-Star
6 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
2 x All-Star MVP
20 x Player of the Month

STATS:

19045 points @ 27.6 PPG
4943 rebounds @ 7.2 RPG
4751 assists @ 6.9 APG
1194 steals @ 1.7 SPG
582 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
FG - 48.3%
3PT - 33.1%
FT - 74.6%
PER - 27.2 (#2 all-time)
268 total double doubles
41 total triple doubles

MICHAEL JORDAN:

2 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
Defensive Player of the Year
6 x NBA All-Star
5 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
1 x All-Star MVP
10 x Player of the Month

STATS:

16596 points @ 32.6 PPG
3186 rebounds @ 6.2 RPG
3018 assists @ 5.9 APG
1412 steals @ 2.7 SPG
548 blocks @ 1.1 BPG
FG - 51.7%
3PT - 28.6%
FT - 84.5%
PER - 28.2 (#1 all-time)
121 total double doubles
19 total triple doubles

KOBE BRYANT:

3 x Champion
8 x NBA All-Star
4 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
1 x All-Star MVP
6 x Player of the Month

STATS:

16866 points @ 23.8 PPG
3634 rebounds @ 5.1 RPG
3148 assists @ 4.4 APG
1059 steals @ 1.5 SPG
431 blocks @ 0.6 BPG
FG - 45.1%
3PT - 33.5%
FT - 83.1%
PER - 21.4 (#38 all-time)
109 total double doubles
14 total triple doubles










As you can see Lebron has potential not only to "get close to Jordan", but to even surpass him... he just has to go and do it... surpassing Kobe's career will be a much easier task though....

[ripthekik]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[pauk]

ripthekik

This message is hidden because ripthekik is on your ignore list.

You still dont get it do you?

[EnoughSaid]

MJ and Kobe aged teremndously, adding more and more to their games as their athleticism faded. Let's hope LeBron can do that as well. :bowdown:

[AMISTILLILL]

Definitely not an agenda-driven thread.

[ripthekik]

You still dont get it do you?
:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[fpliii]

please don't cite PER

doesn't account for defense (other than steals + blocks), has low consistency year-to-year, poor r^2 (both for individual and team outcomes), doesn't actually measure anything, comes from box score computation, etc.

use WS (and WS/48, DWS, OWS, and other subordinate metrics instead)

[talkingconch]

Difficult to compare. 2 of the players were given the green light from the get go. Didnt jordan average like 28 his first season?

Kobe was drafted then traded to the Lakers immediately where he didnt get enough time until the 2nd or 3rd season i believe

[DatAsh]

LEBRON JAMES:

3 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
8 x NBA All-Star
6 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
2 x All-Star MVP
20 x Player of the Month

STATS:

19045 points @ 27.6 PPG
4943 rebounds @ 7.2 RPG
4751 assists @ 6.9 APG
1194 steals @ 1.7 SPG
582 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
FG - 48.3%
3PT - 33.1%
FT - 74.6%
PER - 27.2 (#2 all-time)
268 total double doubles
41 total triple doubles

MICHAEL JORDAN:

2 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
Defensive Player of the Year
6 x NBA All-Star
5 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
1 x All-Star MVP
10 x Player of the Month

STATS:

16596 points @ 32.6 PPG
3186 rebounds @ 6.2 RPG
3018 assists @ 5.9 APG
1412 steals @ 2.7 SPG
548 blocks @ 1.1 BPG
FG - 51.7%
3PT - 28.6%
FT - 84.5%
PER - 28.2 (#1 all-time)
121 total double doubles
19 total triple doubles

KOBE BRYANT:

3 x Champion
8 x NBA All-Star
4 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
1 x All-Star MVP
6 x Player of the Month

STATS:

16866 points @ 23.8 PPG
3634 rebounds @ 5.1 RPG
3148 assists @ 4.4 APG
1059 steals @ 1.5 SPG
431 blocks @ 0.6 BPG
FG - 45.1%
3PT - 33.5%
FT - 83.1%
PER - 21.4 (#38 all-time)
109 total double doubles
14 total triple doubles










As you can see Lebron has potential not only to "get close to Jordan", but to even surpass him... he just has to go and do it... surpassing Kobe's career will be a much easier task though....


:eek: :eek: :eek: At Jordan's stats
33/6/6/3/1 on 52%

:eek: :eek: :eek: At Lebron's as well
28/7/7/2/1 on 48%

Kobe's stats pale in comparison to those two, but it's a bit deceptive when you when figure in his first several years.

As far as accolades, I'd have to put Jordan last at this age. Kobe vs Lebron I'm really not too sure
3x Championship vs 1x Championship, 3x MVP, 1xFMVP

[Cherry Picker]

http://i29.tinypic.com/71p98i.jpg

[I LUV KOBE]

Lol at this Bandwagon Lebrick Dirkrider stan.. MJ at age 27 only played 7 years in the NBA while Lebrick already had 9 years.. Why dont you put the number of games they played..

And please dont put Lebrick name in the same sentence as this 2 GOAT MJ and Kobe.. Lebrick will never gonna surpass them..

[Kews1]

Lebron is quite a good player :lebronamazed:

[DatAsh]

Difficult to compare. 2 of the players were given the green light from the get go. Didnt jordan average like 28 his first season?

Kobe was drafted then traded to the Lakers immediately where he didnt get enough time until the 2nd or 3rd season i believe

Jordan was given a green light from the get go because he was coming out of college and was drafted to a shit team.

Kobe's stats are very deceptive though because of the reasons you mentioned, though it be hard to argue that those same circumstances didn't significantly help him in the accolades dept.

[RazorBaLade]

what about before age 28 only when the moon is 35 degrees to the west of the church of satan? who is better during that time?

[ripthekik]

Guys, it's not about the age. Lebron entered the league how much earlier than Jordan?

this fool thinks its fair to compare it this way.. when Lebron is actually already behind :roll: :roll:

[Kews1]

Lol at this Bandwagon Lebrick Dirkrider stan.. MJ at age 27 only played 7 years in the NBA while Lebrick already had 9 years.. Why dont you put the number of games they played..

And please dont put Lebrick name in the same sentence as this 2 GOAT MJ and Kobe.. Lebrick will never gonna surpass them..

i swear you have only been posting for about a month but i already ****ing hate you :cheers:

[ripthekik]

let's not forget this pauk guy:


So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:

[LakersReign]

Pure ownage right there:lol

[WeGetRing2012]

All that doesnt matter only the ring total and I can assure you that Kobe & MJ measure their careers by rings.

3>1>1

[DirtySanchez]

LeBron and Kobe. Ame in to league at younger ages then Jordan....LeBron and Jordan cam win to situations where they had bad teams and became the man fast....Kobe had a good team already and was slowly placed in.....


These stats at the age if 27 are worthless

[DatAsh]

LeBron and Kobe. Ame in to league at younger ages then Jordan....LeBron and Jordan cam win to situations where they had bad teams and became the man fast....Kobe had a good team already and was slowly placed in.....


These stats at the age if 27 are worthless

The flip side to this is that Kobe was placed on a contender from the get go and placed in a much better position to win rings.

[I LUV KOBE]

i swear you have only been posting for about a month but i already ****ing hate you :cheers:
why u mad? :mad: :mad: :mad:

[swag2011]

The flip side to this is that Kobe was placed on a contender from the get go and placed in a much better position to win rings.

true, and they won rings when Kobe became a starter and proved himself on the court.

[DatAsh]

true, and they won rings when Kobe became a starter and proved himself on the court.

indeed, just pointing out that there are negatives and positives to joining a contending team right off the bat.

[snipes12]

so at age 27 ... i therfore conclude that...

1.MJ
2.Lebron








3. kobe

[ripthekik]

Jordan was Drafted into the NBA in 1984 and he received his first ring in the Finals of the 1990-1991 season, his 6th season.

Kobe drafted in 1996 and won in 2000, his 4th

Lebron was drafted in 2003 and this is now his 9th season.

:confusedshrug:



Look at the seasons they won their first rings, it should be

Kobe
Jordan




















Lebron :cry:

[I LUV KOBE]

Jordan won his first ring by playing his best and arguably the best PO run..
Kobe won his first ring by helping Shaq to get their first ring at age 21..

Lebrick won his first ring after already choking 2 nba finals and while being carried by two superstars at their primes in the weakest competition for a champs..

Jordan>Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Howard, Anthony, Battier, Miller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lebrick

[Da_Realist]

Another number crunching thread. Why not just wait until he retires to count up all the accolades, awards, stats and championships and enter that final number through the "GOAT theorem" and let it decide if Lebron is #1?

a, b, c,
easy as 1, 2, 3
or simple as do, re, mi
a, b, c, 1, 2, 3...

[OmniStrife]

LeBron won't catch MJ, but he's 2 FMVPs away from letting Kobe smell his ass.

[thelucifer69]

MJ had more Block than LBJ :eek:

[thelucifer69]

Jordan won his first ring by playing his best and arguably the best PO run..
Kobe won his first ring by helping Shaq to get their first ring at age 21..

Lebrick won his first ring after already choking 2 nba finals and while being carried by two superstars at their primes in the weakest competition for a champs..

Jordan>Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Howard, Anthony, Battier, Miller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lebrick

Dude please LBJ is MVP he carried his team to Championship give him some respect

[scandisk_]

Forget MJ, but I do think Kobe and Bron are neck and neck in their peaks. :bowdown:

[I LUV KOBE]

Dude please LBJ is MVP he carried his team to Championship give him some respect
Why would I respect this man who join 2 superstars in their primes to make his life easier and won cheap ring the shortcut way.. Maybe I can respect him if he stay in Cleveland or goes to other team not to play sidekick and be the man..

[LebronairJAMES]

Why would I respect this man who ****ed my mum and sister then took a shit on my face
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:




























































:biggums:

[Haymaker]

LeBron can't be compared to MJ since he joined three superstars in their prime to win a ring. It takes away from his accomplishment.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Why would I respect this man who join 2 superstars in their primes to make his life easier and won cheap ring the shortcut way.. Maybe I can respect him if he stay in Cleveland or goes to other team not to play sidekick and be the man..
But you respect a player who demanded trade to the Lakers as a rookie, raped a girl, and d!ckrode Shaq for his 3 rings. At least Lebron is the main man, and clear cut the best player on his team, had one of the greatest playoff runs and will always be remembered as a better player than Kobe and top 3 all time when its all said and done.
And you should be mad, really mad. :oldlol:

[I LUV KOBE]

@LebronairJAMES ****0t
I dont have my mum and sister.. You failed asshole.. :oldlol: :oldlol:


But you respect a player who demanded trade to the Lakers as a rookie, raped a girl, and d!ckrode Shaq for his 3 rings. At least Lebron is the main man, and clear cut the best player on his team, had one of the greatest playoff runs and will always be remembered as a better player than Kobe and top 3 all time when its all said and done.
And you should be mad, really mad. :oldlol:
Keep dreaming.. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[swag2011]

But you respect a player who demanded trade to the Lakers as a rookie, raped a girl, and d!ckrode Shaq for his 3 rings. At least Lebron is the main man, and clear cut the best player on his team, had one of the greatest playoff runs and will always be remembered as a better player than Kobe and top 3 all time when its all said and done.
And you should be mad, really mad. :oldlol:

lol real cute. you tried though :lol

[LakersReign]

But you respect a player who demanded trade to the Lakers as a rookie, raped a girl, and d!ckrode Shaq for his 3 rings. At least Lebron is the main man, and clear cut the best player on his team, had one of the greatest playoff runs and will always be remembered as a better player than Kobe and top 3 all time when its all said and done.
And you should be mad, really mad. :oldlol:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

[thelucifer69]

Why would I respect this man who join 2 superstars in their primes to make his life easier and won cheap ring the shortcut way.. Maybe I can respect him if he stay in Cleveland or goes to other team not to play sidekick and be the man..

He had reason to leave

He didn't have the team that would make Playoffs every year before he came

He didn't have Shaq in his prime that would carried his team to championship

He didn't have any prime super star want to come to help him (don't mention Shaq he was just decent C at that time)

What he had was the second worst team in the league.

He deserves respect because

He current MVP FMVP Champion no matter how he makes it

He single handedly make the second worst team in the league (19-63) the best regular season team (61-21)

And the most important he's way better than you in term of Basketball which we concentrate here .

In the other hand

S.Pippen join 3 super star in Houston Rockets rather than stay and prove he could win without MJ.

Kevin Garnett join 2 super star in Celtics.

Clyde Drexler join Defending Champion Houston Rockets.

And more important Kobe demanded trade in 2007 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927) when he think he couldn't win with this current team .Thanks God, Pau Gasol came and the Lakers name is big enough to held him.

Do you respect these guy?

I respect them all for what they did for the game of basketball and i hope you do too.

[LebronairJAMES]

I ****ed my mum and sister.. I failed at eating my dads asshole.. :oldlol: :oldlol:


Keep dreaming of sucking kobes dick and balls :oldlol: :oldlol:
:facepalm
:coleman:

[swag2011]

He had reason to leave

He didn't have the team that would make Playoffs every year before he came

He didn't have Shaq in his prime that would carried his team to championship

He didn't have any prime super star want to come to help him (don't mention Shaq he was just decent C at that time)

What he had was the second worst team in the league.

he deserves respect because

He current MVP FMVP Champion no matter how he makes it

He single handedly make the second worst team in the league (19-63) the best regular season team (61-21)

And the most important he's way better than you in term of Basketball which we concentrate here .

In the other hand

S.Pippen join 3 super star in Houston Rockets rather than stay and prove he could win without MJ.

Kevin Garnett join 2 super star in Celtics.

Clyde Drexler join Defending Champion Houston Rockets.

And more important Kobe demanded trade in 2007 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927) when he think he couldn't win with this current team .Thanks God, Pau Gasol came and the Lakers name is big enough to held him.

Do you respect these guy?

Being a 60 win team and having the number 1 record 2 years straight is one of the worst teams in the league now? :biggums: Having a number 1 defensive rating is the worst in the league now? Wow, i learn something new everyday. Funny how no one said it was a bad team, until they got exposed by Spurs in the finals. Funny how when they were favored to win back in 09/10, they were "OMG SO GOOD", then got their ass handed to them once again, now they are a bad team. You can name who ever you want on the roster, give what ever excuses, point is you don't make it to the finals having a bad team, nor do you have the best record in the league and can be considered a bad team.

And to answer the 2nd part, yup i respect Kobe. Cause even though he b*tched and wanted a trade, he stuck it out. Just like i respect Lebron for leaving Cleveland in 2010 when his contract was up.

[Glide2keva]

But you respect a player who demanded trade to the Lakers as a rookie, raped a girl, and d!ckrode Shaq for his 3 rings. At least Lebron is the main man, and clear cut the best player on his team, had one of the greatest playoff runs and will always be remembered as a better player than Kobe and top 3 all time when its all said and done.
And you should be mad, really mad. :oldlol:Kobe never demanded a trade to the lakers. Jerry West had already worked out a deal to get him there before the draft for Vlade Divac. West wanted Kobe.

Get your facts straight. He never suited up for Charlotte and didn't have anything to do with the franchise beyond draft night.

I hate kobe, but you can't put out falsehoods like that.

[Glide2keva]

Being a 60 win team and having the number 1 record 2 years straight is one of the worst teams in the league now?6 teams in the last 4 years have had the best record in the league and neither of those teams won the title.

08-09 Cavs
09-10 Cavs
10-11 Bulls
11-12 Bulls
10-11 Spurs
11-12 Spurs

So having the best record means squat these day. Just saying.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan had played 6 full seasons at that age (lost 1 due to injury in '86), Lebron has played 9 full seasons.

[b4uc.23]

MJ
Lebron

Kobe

/thread

[Jax]

Agenda driven thread about FACTS...oh boy...

[RicksPlace]

I never understanded this age by age comparison crap. Its completely illogical. Look for the total games James has played and compare it to Jordans at the same time. Its more fair, because both entered to shiety teams when they were rookies.

[swi7ch]

pauk, I love LBJ too but no one is touching Jordan.

Ever.

[I LUV KOBE]

:facepalm
:coleman:
Is that what all you got? Can even defend your boy.. Your just being pathetic for what you're doing..

[Ne 1]

But you respect a player who demanded trade to the Lakers as a rookie

Charlotte drafted Kobe already knowing that they were trading him to the Lakers. Kobe never demanded to leave Charlotte. It was a prearranged deal that Charlotte would take him and trade him to the Lakers. Jerry West was thrilled with Kobe after his workout with the Lakers and went after Kobe with everything he had. Charlotte chose Vlade as their missing piece after they had won 50 games the last two seasons.



http://www2.journalnow.com/sports/2008/jun/18/lakers-trade-for-bryant-has-been-misconstrued-ar-113126/


"The deal was actually done a day ahead of time, and it was Vlade for a player to be named," said Bill Branch, the Hornets' head scout at the time who still operates out of Charlotte as a scout for the Seattle-now-Oklahoma City Sonics. "If I remember right, they didn't even tell us who they wanted us to pick until about five minutes before the pick was made. So it was never a matter of us actually drafting Kobe."

The trade was more about the Lakers' pursuit of Shaquille O'Neal in free agency and the Hornets' need to acquire a center than it was about Bryant.

In order to get far enough under the salary cap to make a valid pitch to O'Neal, the Lakers needed to unload Divac's contract, preferably to a team under the salary cap and preferably for a draft pick. The Hornets had traded Alonzo Mourning the previous year, were without a bona fide center, and were well under the cap after renouncing the rights to free agent Kenny Anderson. They would trade Larry Johnson to New York for Anthony Mason later that summer.

The Hornets reasoned that they could come out of the draft with no better than Vitaly Potapenko or Todd Fuller if they drafted a center, and jumped at the chance to trade the 13th pick for Divac.

[DonDadda59]

You forgot scoring championships, steals titles, and playoff production... Particularly in the finals.

[RRR3]

MJ>LBJ>Kobe


We all knew this already.

[scandisk_]

KOBE=LEBRON! :no:

[RRR3]

KOBE=LEBRON! :no:
Not really. Kobe>LeBron career wise, I'll give you that. LeBron is a better player and is likely to surpass him IMO.

[ripthekik]

MJ>LBJ>Kobe


We all knew this already.
:yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy:

Jordan > Kobe >>>>>>>>>> Lebron

Lebron will never join the upper echelons until he shows he can win without joining up with superstars. He is a stat monster, not a winner.

[RRR3]

:cry: :cry: :mad: :mad: :rant
U so mad :mad: :yaohappy:

[ripthekik]

:mad: :mad: :mad:
:roll: :roll: :roll:


Isn't this your favorite move? 7th grader style! Go Retarded, Retarded, Retarded!

[nathanjizzle]

both kobe and jordan are ahead of lebron, because lebron has been in the league 2 more years than jordan at age 27. so if you gave jordan 2 more carreer years at that age he would have 3 championships

kobe and jordans carreer > lebrons at 27

[Freedom Kid7]

Pauk, please do first nine seasons of the NBA instead. Much better choice of analogy.

[Redoks]

These Lebron haters are delusional, omg ...:biggums:

[DonDadda59]

both kobe and jordan are ahead of lebron, because lebron has been in the league 2 more years than jordan at age 27. so if you gave jordan 2 more carreer years at that age he would have 3 championships

kobe and jordans carreer > lebrons at 27

I don't know about that. Lebron 3 MVPS, 1 Final MVP>Kobe 0 MVP, 0 Finals MVP. Plus the superior stats/production, etc. Plus Lebron is/was just a flat out better player. Using 27 as a barrier, Lebron is ahead of Kobe by a significant margin.

[ducktape]

can someone post tim duncan's career at age 27 please

[BlackVVaves]

So in one week, Pauk has stated:

- The 2012 Pacers were better than the 1984 Bernard King-led NY Knicks.

- The 2012 Celtics were better than the #2 seed, Don Nelson
coached, only team to sweep Bird in the playoffs, 1984 Milkwaukee Bucks.

- The 2012 Thunder were better than the Showtime, Magic and Kareem-led, 1984 Lakers.

- The current roster of:

Bynum/Jordan Hill
Gasol/McRoberts
Artest/Devin Ebanks
Kobe/Goudelock
Nash/Steve Blake

is the "most stacked team" of all time. :roll:


Please Pauk, please continue to bless us with your basketball wisdom :roll:

You are officially the dumbest person I've ever met. And I've never even met you :oldlol:

All just to prop Lebron up upon the All Time list, and elevate his status in the court of public opinion. And to simultaneously undermine Kobe's past and future status as an Top 10 Player of All Time, because you can't stand that the majority of America, and likely the WORLD, views Kobe as the current bar for greatness, with 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances.

If I could slap you, I probably wouldn't. I hear ignorance is a disease, and I'd hate to get contaminated by your consistent idiocy. I'll just sit here and laugh instead :roll:

--

[Freedom Kid7]

can someone post tim duncan's career at age 27 please
You got it man!
Tim Duncan at age 27:
2xMVP
2xFMVP
2xChampion
Rookie of the Year
6xAll-Star
6x1st All NBA Team
1x 2nd All NBA Defensive Team
5x 1st All NBA Defensive Team
1x NBA All Star MVP
3xPlayer of the Month

22.8 points/12.3 rebounds/3.2 assists with 2.5 blocks and 0.8 steals.
FG% - 50.9 % 3PT% - A lulzy 18.2 % FT% - 69.4 %
PER - 25.1 (I can't be arsed to find the amount of double doubles, but he recorded 3 or so triple doubles, one being the 21/20/10/8 game :bowdown: :bowdown: )

[Indian guy]

MICHAEL JORDAN:

2 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
Defensive Player of the Year
6 x NBA All-Star
5 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
1 x All-Star MVP
10 x Player of the Month

STATS:

16596 points @ 32.6 PPG
3186 rebounds @ 6.2 RPG
3018 assists @ 5.9 APG
1412 steals @ 2.7 SPG
548 blocks @ 1.1 BPG
FG - 51.7%
3PT - 28.6%
FT - 84.5%
PER - 28.2 (#1 all-time)
121 total double doubles
19 total triple doubles

MJ's birthday comes at the midway point of each season. Basketball Reference lists his age as 27, but he was 28 by the time he won his 2nd MVP and 1st championship. The 89-90 season is the cut-off point you should be looking at.

[pauk]

Lol at this Bandwagon Lebrick Dirkrider stan.. MJ at age 27 only played 7 years in the NBA while Lebrick already had 9 years.. Why dont you put the number of games they played..

And please dont put Lebrick name in the same sentence as this 2 GOAT MJ and Kobe.. Lebrick will never gonna surpass them..

Yes? So... obviously MJ did more in his 7 years, but it is what it is, the accomplishments are as they are... you cant discredit Lebron for being that good/NBA ready at 17-18 years of age... playing in college and winning a championship there might have actually worked in Jordans favor coming in to the NBA, at 21 he came in therefore more finetuned / mature / ready mentally...

PS: Kobe Bryant played 10 seasons

[pauk]

MJ's birthday comes at the midway point of each season. Basketball Reference lists his age as 27, but he was 28 by the time he won his 2nd MVP and 1st championship. The 89-90 season is the cut-off point you should be looking at.

Didnt think of that one, so Lebron basically just got a championship 1 year younger?

[pauk]

Another number crunching thread. Why not just wait until he retires to count up all the accolades, awards, stats and championships and enter that final number through the "GOAT theorem" and let it decide if Lebron is #1?

a, b, c,
easy as 1, 2, 3
or simple as do, re, mi
a, b, c, 1, 2, 3...

Because i thought maybe some more besides me would be interested in seeing how well Lebron is doing right now compared to a GOAT player and a top 10 Player (Kobe)....

[DonDadda59]

Didnt think of that one, so Lebron basically just got a championship 1 year younger?

2 seasons later, after jumping ship.

[pauk]

2 seasons later, after jumping ship.

Thats really unfair analogy, they were not in the same situation.... Jordan at that time started to get the teammates handed to him on a silverplate.... Lebron didnt, he would remain ringless & "loyal" for the rest of his career if he didnt seriously think about his options (Bulls, Miami, Knicks and so on) as a free-agent... its not like he came to a proven team, he made that team, they go as far as only Lebron can take them and you saw how far he carried them this year...

[ducktape]

yeah tim duncan all over these guys

[ripthekik]

Thats really unfair analogy, they were not in the same situation.... Jordan at that time started to get the teammates handed to him on a silverplate.... Lebron didnt, he would remain ringless & "loyal" for the rest of his career if he didnt seriously think about his options (Bulls, Miami, Knicks and so on) as a free-agent... its not like he came to a proven team, he made that team, they go as far as only Lebron can take them and you saw how far he carried them this year...

:violin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIuotFZnBtk

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron doesnt have the potential to surpass MJ. He has the potential to get in the top 5 though. He already lost with HCA 3 years in a row with teams that should have done better than they did.

[Duncan21formvp]

Thats really unfair analogy, they were not in the same situation.... Jordan at that time started to get the teammates handed to him on a silverplate.... Lebron didnt, he would remain ringless & "loyal" for the rest of his career if he didnt seriously think about his options (Bulls, Miami, Knicks and so on) as a free-agent... its not like he came to a proven team, he made that team, they go as far as only Lebron can take them and you saw how far he carried them this year...

Jordan never got teammates handed to him. No one Jordan played with was a star player coming in. Lebron came into the league playing with Big Z who was an allstar the year before Lebron came and also in Lebron's 2nd season. Lebron was the one who got teammates handed to him. He got Ben Wallace the only allstar on a team that won it all and then he got Shaq a guy who was a 1x league mvp winner and 3x finals mvp winner and then went to play with Wade a proven winner who won finals mvp.

[Glide2keva]

Jordan never got teammates handed to him. No one Jordan played with was a star player coming in. Lebron came into the league playing with Big Z who was an allstar the year before Lebron came and also in Lebron's 2nd season. Lebron was the one who got teammates handed to him. He got Ben Wallace the only allstar on a team that won it all and then he got Shaq a guy who was a 1x league mvp winner and 3x finals mvp winner and then went to play with Wade a proven winner who won finals mvp.
It's a known fact that lebron played with nothing but scrubs his whole career.

He's never had a star player on his teams, not now and especially not in Cleveland.

/sarcasm

[Dragonyeuw]

Jordan at that time started to get the teammates handed to him on a silverplate....

Who? Pippen and Grant? There was no guarantee that Pippen would have developed into what he did. Grant was a blue-collar defensive player with a limited offensive game. Lebron joined a Heat team with an established MVP type player in Wade, and a top 5 power forward in Bosh.

[blood yes]

The only thing i got from this thread....

This "I LUV Kobe" guy is a ****in retard, and deserves to have a dick thrown up his mouth, and choke on it to death

[Dragonyeuw]

What are their accomplishments after nine seasons?

Oldschool made a good point earlier, Jordan missed practically his entire second season with a broken foot, which was probably 2,000 points lost right there. He averaged 28 as a rookie, and 37 his third year, so it's very likely he'd have averaged 30+ in a healthy second season.

[blood yes]

Why would I respect this man who join 2 superstars in their primes to make his life easier and won cheap ring the shortcut way.. Maybe I can respect him if he stay in Cleveland or goes to other team not to play sidekick and be the man..

I understand your dad forced you to suck his dick till u got in a coma, but please respect lebron

[jstern]

Can you eliminate Kobe's first couple of years so that people could stop complaining?

He went to a good team out of high school, it's not fair. Then I guess we would have to eliminate the championships he won because of it.

[Da_Realist]

Can you eliminate Kobe's first couple of years so that people could stop complaining?

He went to a good team out of high school, it's not fair. Then I guess we would have to eliminate the championships he won because of it.

:oldlol: Exactly

[Bandito]

LEBRON JAMES:

3 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
8 x NBA All-Star
6 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
2 x All-Star MVP
20 x Player of the Month

STATS:

19045 points @ 27.6 PPG
4943 rebounds @ 7.2 RPG
4751 assists @ 6.9 APG
1194 steals @ 1.7 SPG
582 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
FG - 48.3%
3PT - 33.1%
FT - 74.6%
PER - 27.2 (#2 all-time)
268 total double doubles
41 total triple doubles

MICHAEL JORDAN:

2 x MVP
1 x FMVP
1 x Champion
Rookie of the Year
Defensive Player of the Year
6 x NBA All-Star
5 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
1 x All-Star MVP
10 x Player of the Month

STATS:

16596 points @ 32.6 PPG
3186 rebounds @ 6.2 RPG
3018 assists @ 5.9 APG
1412 steals @ 2.7 SPG
548 blocks @ 1.1 BPG
FG - 51.7%
3PT - 28.6%
FT - 84.5%
PER - 28.2 (#1 all-time)
121 total double doubles
19 total triple doubles

KOBE BRYANT:

3 x Champion
8 x NBA All-Star
4 x 1st All-NBA team
4 x 1st All-Defensive team
1 x All-Star MVP
6 x Player of the Month

STATS:

16866 points @ 23.8 PPG
3634 rebounds @ 5.1 RPG
3148 assists @ 4.4 APG
1059 steals @ 1.5 SPG
431 blocks @ 0.6 BPG
FG - 45.1%
3PT - 33.5%
FT - 83.1%
PER - 21.4 (#38 all-time)
109 total double doubles
14 total triple doubles










As you can see Lebron has potential not only to "get close to Jordan", but to even surpass him... he just has to go and do it... surpassing Kobe's career will be a much easier task though....
no sh1t Sherlock!

[Asukal]

I always thought Lebron stans were better than Kobe stans that they respected Jordan's legacy and didn't dare to compare them. Turns out they were just waiting for Lebron to win his first... :facepalm

I just don't see Lebron doing the same things he is doing now when he reaches his 30s. Lebron relies too much on his athleticism, he's not as skilled as Jordan or Kobe. :rolleyes:

[LakersReign]

I always thought Lebron stans were better than Kobe stans that they respected Jordan's legacy and didn't dare to compare them. Turns out they were just waiting for Lebron to win his first... :facepalm

I just don't see Lebron doing the same things he is doing now when he reaches his 30s. Lebron relies too much on his athleticism, he's not as skilled as Jordan or Kobe. :rolleyes:

Anybody who really understands basketball already knows that. Sadly though, the minute you say something like that, Lebron fans get all emo, like you have no right to your own opinion, simply cuz it's different from their own.

[I LUV KOBE]

@blood yes

Why u so mad though? :confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

Pauk's online dating profile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6caDqpYKrgE

[NumberSix]

Let's be honest. Does anybody really care about FMVPs?

[blood yes]

@blood yes

Why u so mad though? :confusedshrug:

LMFAO, u stupid Lebron hater, please suck kobe's dick till his dick gets red so he cant play basketball again. And i hope u choke on his dick:lol

[DonDadda59]

Thats really unfair analogy, they were not in the same situation.... Jordan at that time started to get the teammates handed to him on a silverplate.... Lebron didnt, he would remain ringless & "loyal" for the rest of his career if he didnt seriously think about his options (Bulls, Miami, Knicks and so on) as a free-agent... its not like he came to a proven team, he made that team, they go as far as only Lebron can take them and you saw how far he carried them this year...

When the hell did this happen? :oldlol:

The best teammate Jordan ever had, Pippen, took time to develop into an all star caliber player and was brought onto the squad through the draft, not a 'decision' made when he was a bonafide all star. And before that, Jordan's best teammates were guys like Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley. Lebron at least had Big Z, Shaq, Carlos Boozer, Antwan Jamison, Ricky Davis, Mo Williams, Drew Gooden, etc. I'm not saying Bron had Kobe's luck when it came to lineups and teammates but he was given some all star caliber talent 'on a silverplate' by the Cavs administration unlike the Bulls who drafted and developed their talent during Jordan's early career.

The Cavs had the best record in the league for consecutive seasons (mostly due to Bron's dominance) and seemed to be on the verge of breaking through ala the Bulls against their tormentors the Pistons before the first 3-peat... but Lebron bailed. Can you imagine if Jordan quit on the Bulls after they lost to the Pistons and decided to team up with Clyde Drexler and Charles Barkley on another team?

No question Lebron is the best player in the league right now, but you must see the difference in how each guy got it done. Can you at least admit that?

[Smoke117]

please don't cite PER

doesn't account for defense (other than steals + blocks), has low consistency year-to-year, poor r^2 (both for individual and team outcomes), doesn't actually measure anything, comes from box score computation, etc.

use WS (and WS/48, DWS, OWS, and other subordinate metrics instead)

Yeah because accounting for defense is really going to help Kobe's case. :rolleyes:

[CelticBaller]

:facepalm

not every player enters the league at age of 18

[lilgodfather1]

So what you are saying is LeBron is the best of the three at 27? Well no shit man he is going to be the greatest of all time.