Top 10 greatest PGs of all-time

[StateOfMind12]

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Walt Frazier
4. Steve Nash
5. Isiah Thomas
6. John Stockton
7. Gary Payton
8. Jason Kidd
9. Bob Cousy
10. Chris Paul

Feel free to list your own top 10.

[Perry Jones III]

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Walt Frazier
4. Steve Nash
5. Isiah Thomas
6. John Stockton
7. Gary Payton
8. Chris Paul
9. Bob Cousy
10. Russell Westbrook

[k0kakw0rld]

Steve Nash over Kidd? :facepalm
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[theaussieguy]

1. Rajon Rondo
2. Magic Johnson
3. Oscar Robertson
4. Walt Frazier
5. Steve Nash
6. Isiah Thomas
7. John Stockton
8. Gary Payton
9. Jason Kidd
10. Bob Cousy


in about 8 years....

[Faptastrophe]

1 - Magic Johnson
2 - Oscar Robertson
3 - Jerry West
4 - Bob Cousy
5 - Isiah Thomas
6 - John Stockton
7 - Walt Frazier
8 - Jason Kidd
9 - Steve Nash
10 - Gary Payton

...
11 - Pete Maravich
12 - Tiny Archibald
13 - Earl Monroe
14 - Lenny Wilkens
15 - Dave Bing
16 - Chris Paul
17 - Gail Goodrich
18 - Slater Martin
19 - Bob Davies
20 - Kevin Johnson

Where does Tony Parker rank?

[AngelEyes]

1 - Magic Johnson
2 - Oscar Robertson
3 - Jerry West
4 - Bob Cousy
5 - Isiah Thomas
6 - John Stockton
7 - Walt Frazier
8 - Jason Kidd
9 - Steve Nash
10 - Gary Payton

...
11 - Pete Maravich
12 - Tiny Archibald
13 - Earl Monroe
14 - Lenny Wilkens
15 - Dave Bing
16 - Chris Paul
17 - Gail Goodrich
18 - Slater Martin
19 - Bob Davies
20 - Kevin Johnson

Where does Tony Parker rank?

Why is Bob Davies better than Kevin Johnson?

[Umad101]

Steve Nash over Kidd? :facepalm
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Everyday and 2x on sunday

[SuperPippen]

1 - Magic Johnson
2 - Oscar Robertson
3 - Jerry West
4 - Bob Cousy
5 - Isiah Thomas
6 - John Stockton
7 - Walt Frazier
8 - Jason Kidd
9 - Steve Nash
10 - Gary Payton

...
11 - Pete Maravich
12 - Tiny Archibald
13 - Earl Monroe
14 - Lenny Wilkens
15 - Dave Bing
16 - Chris Paul
17 - Gail Goodrich
18 - Slater Martin
19 - Bob Davies
20 - Kevin Johnson

Where does Tony Parker rank?

West wasn't a PG.

[StateOfMind12]

Where does Tony Parker rank?
Below Chauncey Billups. Jerry West was a SG by the way.

[Faptastrophe]

West wasn't a PG.
He was a combo guard. As were few others on the list.

[franchise#3]

1.Magic
2.Payton
3.Stockton
4.Rose
5.Nash
6.Westbrook
7.Isiah
8.Jason
9.Bob
10.Williams

[jlauber]

A peak Tiny Archibald has to be in the conversation. In 72-73 he LED the league in scoring, at 34.0 ppg, as well as LEADING the league in assists, at 11.4 apg.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I have Kidd over Nash.

[AngelEyes]

A peak Tiny Archibald has to be in the conversation. In 72-73 he LED the league in scoring, at 34.0 ppg, as well as LEADING the league in assists, at 11.4 apg.

conversation of what?

[oolalaa]

1. Magic Johnson

2. Oscar Robertson

3. Isiah Thomas
4. Walt Frazier

5. Steve Nash
6. Jason Kidd
7. John Stockton

8. Bob Cousy
9. Gary Payton

10. Chris Paul

11. Dennis Johnson
12. Kevin Johnson
13. Gus Williams
14. Tiny Archibald

15. Jo Jo White

[joshwake]

Nash joins the Lakers and instantly jumps 3 to 5 spots? Nash is one of my favorite players of all time but he is not top five.
Stockton getting very underrated as well. Threads like this make me remember the average age of posters on ish.

[Faptastrophe]

Nash joins the Lakers and instantly jumps 3 to 5 spots? Nash is one of my favorite players of all time but he is not top five.
Stockton getting very underrated as well. Threads like this make me remember the average age of posters on ish.
It's also pretty funny to see names like Westbrook and Rose in these lists. :coleman:

[jdm_dc_fan]

What exactly has CP done to be top 10 all time? No rings, no finals appearances he regularly flops.

[StateOfMind12]

Nash joins the Lakers and instantly jumps 3 to 5 spots? Nash is one of my favorite players of all time but he is not top five.
Stockton getting very underrated as well. Threads like this make me remember the average age of posters on ish.
I had Nash at #4 for a while now, not because he joined the Lakers.


He was a combo guard. As were few others on the list.
Who else was a combo guard on this list?

[Faptastrophe]

Who else was a combo guard on this list?
Walt Frazier, Pete Maravich and Dave Bing.

[pauk]

CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS (mvps, rings and so on):

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Bob Cousy
5. Walt Frazier
6. Steve Nash
7. Jason Kidd
8. John Stockton
10. Gary Payton

INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS (talent, skill, productions and so on):

1. Oscar Robertson

*GAP*

2. Magic Johnson
3. Tiny Archibald
4. John Stockton
5. Gary Payton
6. Isiah Thomas
7. Jason Kidd
8. Steve Nash
9. Chris Paul
10. Walt Frazier

[LEFT4DEAD]

Wou wou wou. Wait a minute? Why the **** is Zeke so underrated here? Am I missing something, or have this posters started watching basketball 5 years ago?
Magic Johnson is the only PG in NBA history I would take over Zeke, and Oscar is doubtfull. Rest dont come even close.

[L.Kizzle]

1. Magic
2. O
3. Zeke
4. Clyde
5. Cooz
6. Stockton
7. Glove
8. Kidd
9. Nash
10. Tiny

That is the list.

Bing, Pistol and Pearl were mainly shooting guards.

[Round Mound]

Stockton is Getting to Underrated Here :facepalm

[fpliii]

Magic
Robertson
Isiah
Stockton
Frazier

are clearly the top 5 (in that order) in my book if you count the big O as a PG

can't be bothered to go 10 deep

[ducktape]

mario chalmers should be up there in the future

[SuperPippen]

CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS (mvps, rings and so on):

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Bob Cousy
5. Walt Frazier
6. Steve Nash
7. Jason Kidd
8. John Stockton
10. Gary Payton

INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS (talent, skill, productions and so on):

1. Oscar Robertson

*GAP*

2. Magic Johnson
3. Tiny Archibald
4. John Stockton
5. Gary Payton
6. Isiah Thomas
7. Jason Kidd
8. Steve Nash
9. Chris Paul
10. Walt Frazier


:roll: at you thinking Big O was more talented than Magic.

[RRR3]

mario chalmers should be up there in the future
He's already the GOAT

[StateOfMind12]

Wou wou wou. Wait a minute? Why the **** is Zeke so underrated here? Am I missing something, or have this posters started watching basketball 5 years ago?
Magic Johnson is the only PG in NBA history I would take over Zeke, and Oscar is doubtfull. Rest dont come even close.
It is more like you are overrating Zeke. He was an inconsistent and inefficient player for the most part. He gets far more credit than he should in those '89-'90 titles.

He is still easily a top 5 PG of all-time though but 2nd PG of all-time and above Oscar? No way.

[TheTruth#34]

He's already the GOAT

:biggums:

[LEFT4DEAD]

It is more like you are overrating Zeke. He was an inconsistent and inefficient player for the most part. He gets far more credit than he should in those '89-'90 titles.

He is still easily a top 5 PG of all-time though but 2nd PG of all-time and above Oscar? No way.
Career averages of almost 20/10 on one of the best defensive teams of all times, great defender, and one of the best competitors of all times. Remember 25 3rd quarter points against Lakers with sprained ankle??? Thats a NBA record!

Averaging 28/7/5 he was the FMVP vs Portland, including 16 points in the 4th of game 1 rallying the Pistons from 10 points down with 7 mins remaining.

In '87 against Hawks he scored 24 in a quarter. Jordan nor any great never did that.

In '84 against Knicks he scored 16 points in 4th of the deciding game 5.

He was one of the best postseason performers.

In '85 he limited Jordan to 2-9 FG in 22 mins in an all star game.

He is one of the most underappreciated players just because he played on Bad Boys Pistons who were the most hated team. It was all about Jordan/Bird/Magic trio at the time, and people were looking at the Pistons as a team that was destroying the beauty of the game.

[WillC]

01 - Magic Johnson
02 - Oscar Robertson
03 - Bob Cousy
04 - Isiah Thomas
05 - John Stockton
06 - Walt Frazier
07 - Jason Kidd
08 - Steve Nash
09 - Gary Payton
10 - Nate Archibald

[Horatio33]

A peak Tiny Archibald has to be in the conversation. In 72-73 he LED the league in scoring, at 34.0 ppg, as well as LEADING the league in assists, at 11.4 apg.

wasn't the team record 36-45? His stats made a huge difference. I'm sure Westbrook or Rose could do that, but their team record would be terrible.

Jlauber, Were stats mean more than winning!

[NauruDude]

1. John Stockton
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Jason Kidd
4. Steve Nash
5. Chris Paul
6. Magic Johnson
7. Gary Payton
8. Isiah Thomas
9. Bob Cousy
10. Walt Frazier

[Go Getter]

Only a crackhead would take Steve Nash over Thomas.

[Duncan21formvp]

1. Magic
2. Oscar
3. Isiah
4. Payton
5. Stockton
6. Frazier
7. Nash
8. Kidd
9. Cousy
10. Kevin Johnson

[magic chiongson]

1. isiah thomas
2. derrick rose
3. stephon marbury
4. steve francis
5. russel westbrook

[Freedom Kid7]

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robinson
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Bob Cousy
5. Jason Kidd
6. John Stockton
7. Steve Nash
8. Walt Fraizer
9. Gary Payton
10. Tiny Archibald

Apart from the top 3, that was really tough.

[jlauber]

wasn't the team record 36-45? His stats made a huge difference. I'm sure Westbrook or Rose could do that, but their team record would be terrible.

Jlauber, Were stats mean more than winning!

I'll let you do some research, and list his supporting cast.

Horatio, blaming great players, who play great, for their TEAM's failures. Obviously MJ was a flop in '86 and '87, as well. Players like Westbrook and Rose could have averaged 37 ppg in their regular seasons, and 40 ppg in their post-seasons, and probably had more playoff success, since Jordan's TEAMs went 0-6 in those two post-seasons.

Yep. Just anyone can LEAD the NBA in scoring AND apg at the same time. Go ahead and give me that list while you are it.

[code green]

1. Magic
2. Isaiah
3. Stockton
4. Big O
5. West
6. Nash
7. Kidd
8. Payton
9. Cousy
10. Tiny

[WillC]

Isiah Thomas and John Stockton better than Oscar Robertson?

Gary Payton better than Bob Cousy?

Someone needs to learn a bit more about NBA history...

[DTreats]

Not enough of these lists have Chauncey "Mr. Big Shot" Billups. Dude in his prime was unparalleled, check out the thread "Top Run my a Finals MVP in History", Billups is about to crack the top 12 in NBA HISTORY. He could shoot the lights out, he could run a team singlehandedly and in his prime his clutch #'s are something that no one in NBA history could come close to.

[Kobe_6/8]

Does Steph Curry belong in this thread?

[CakeorDeath]

4 of the first 6 lists in this thread had Nash above Stockton.

:facepalm

[CakeorDeath]

CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS (mvps, rings and so on):

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Bob Cousy
5. Walt Frazier
6. Steve Nash
7. Jason Kidd
8. John Stockton
10. Gary Payton

INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS (talent, skill, productions and so on):

1. Oscar Robertson

*GAP*

2. Magic Johnson
3. Tiny Archibald
4. John Stockton
5. Gary Payton
6. Isiah Thomas
7. Jason Kidd
8. Steve Nash
9. Chris Paul
10. Walt Frazier

In what universe does Nash have more career accomplishments than Stockton?

2 unbreakable all-time records, in the stats you most want out of a PG >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 MVPs

Losing twice in the Finals to the GOAT and arguably the GOAT team >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never even getting to the Finals

And don't get me started on Kidd. Yes, he has a ring, but in his washed up twilight years. So does Payton, but you rank him below Stock and Kidd above. So what's your criteria?

[dhsilv]

In what universe does Nash have more career accomplishments than Stockton?

2 unbreakable all-time records, in the stats you most want out of a PG >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 MVPs

Losing twice in the Finals to the GOAT and arguably the GOAT team >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never even getting to the Finals

And don't get me started on Kidd. Yes, he has a ring, but in his washed up twilight years. So does Payton, but you rank him below Stock and Kidd above. So what's your criteria?

Kidd was a HUGE part of his title run, payton not so much. Kidd was easily as important as Thomas to be honest.

[TheBigVeto]

Nash joins the Lakers and instantly jumps 3 to 5 spots? Nash is one of my favorite players of all time but he is not top five.
Stockton getting very underrated as well. Threads like this make me remember the average age of posters on ish.

Nash joined the Lakers and dropped 1 spot. Here's the correct unbiased list:

1. Stockton
2. Nash
3. Big O
4. Cousy
5. Magic
6. Kidd
7. Frazier
8. Archibald
9. Parker
10. Curry

Updated - forgot about Parker.

[IllegalD]

1) Bob Cousy
2) Magic Johnson
3) Derek Fisher
4) Tony Parker
5) Dennis Johnson
6) B.J. Armstrong
7) Isiah Thomas
8) Walt Frazier
9) Mario Chalmers
10) Kenny Smith

[T_L_P]

Nash joined the Lakers and dropped 1 spot. Here's the correct unbiased list:

1. Stockton
2. Nash
3. Big O
4. Cousy
5. Magic
6. Kidd
7. Frazier
8. Archibald
9. Parker
10. Curry

Updated - forgot about Parker.
:biggums:

[TheBigVeto]

:biggums:

Magic is overrated. Rode Kareem's coattails and took too much credit for it. There is no way I can rank him higher than #5.

[Bless Mathews]

Tim HOardaway.

[Bless Mathews]

Magic is overrated. Rode Kareem's coattails and took too much credit for it. There is no way I can rank him higher than #5.

You are a FUCCIN idiot.

[FKAri]

Magic is overrated. Rode Kareem's coattails and took too much credit for it. There is no way I can rank him higher than #5.

I also think Magic is overrated.....still GOAT PG doe and top 10 all-time.

[OldSchoolBBall]

1) Curry

BIG DROP

2) Lebron - IF CONSIDERED A PG
3) Magic
4) Oscar
5) Stockton

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

1) Curry

BIG DROP

2) Lebron - IF CONSIDERED A PG
3) Magic
4) Oscar
5) Stockton

:oldlol:

[feyki]

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[Naero]

Nash joined the Lakers and dropped 1 spot. Here's the correct unbiased list:

1. Stockton
2. Nash
3. Big O
4. Cousy
5. Magic
6. Kidd
7. Frazier
8. Archibald
9. Parker
10. Curry

Updated - forgot about Parker.

Never mind the list; I'd rather focus my post on asking why he deserves to drop due to his failed stint with the Lakers.

Nash had already been on his last legs by the time he arrived to the Lakers, and that final layer shattered in his second game with the Purple & Gold. It goes without saying that he hasn't been the same since, as that injury has effectively ended his career.

Yes, the Nash experiment was completely fruitless with him in the end, but it's far from quintessential of his career's body of work when he was a shell of himself. IMO, players can only take a hit legacy-wise if they underachieve the expectations of someone of their ranking; that wasn't the case here in the eyes of most, as many would argue that he was meeting expectations just by continuing to play at that age while injury-decimated.

[bobopenguin]

1.Magic
2.Payton
3.Stockton
4.Rose
5.Nash
6.Westbrook
7.Isiah
8.Jason
9.Bob
10.Williams

deron williams? :rockon:

[bobopenguin]

I also think Magic is overrated.....still GOAT PG doe and top 10 all-time.

i also think magic is overrated... he's so bad that he can still be at no.1 PG of all time easy! :applause: