Interesting Stat: Kobe needs 23 more assists....

[9erempiree]

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/14845-2/kobe+no-look+pass+there+it+goes.jpg

...to lead all players in history with the most that's not a Point Guard in the Playoffs.

I thought this was very interesting considering that most people say he's selfish and doesn't get his teammates involved.

Magic - 2346
Stockton - 1839
Kidd - 1239


Bird - 1062
Nash - 1048
Pippen - 1046
Kobe - 1040
MJ - 1022

Now that Nash is on his team, I expect Nash to move up and rounding out all the PG's in the top 5.

[Freedom Kid7]

:eek: . That's actually really interesting. What's more interesting is the fact that MJ has less assists than him.

[EnoughSaid]

16 Years of around 4 to 5 assists per game is not that impressive.

[1987_Lakers]

Havlicek has like 7,000 more assists than Kobe.

[9erempiree]

16 Years of around 4 to 5 assists per game is not that impressive.

The same can also be said about players not good enough to even play 10 plus years.

Can't blame a guy that can ball for 16 years at his level.

-or-

The same can be said that it's not Kobe's fault that Player B can't lead his team into the playoffs every year.

Playoffs are not longevity stats...can't blame Player A for taking his team in the playoffs every year or a majority of their career.

[1987_Lakers]

idk where you are getting those stats but Bird has 200+ more assists than Kobe aswell.

[HardwoodLegend]

These numbers are bogus. WTH

[Batz]

What stats are these? Total assists? In season or playoffs?

[9erempiree]

Playoff Assists

[LBJDW305]

Maybe you can pay a prostitute 250 and have Kobe bang her for you as well

[HardwoodLegend]

Playoff Assists

Oh well... who cares?

His average is still paltry. He had the benefit of Shaq carrying him to many playoffs series to add to the total.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that he freezes mates out during crunchtime trying to play hero rather than making the best, smartest play.

[9erempiree]

Oh well... who cares?

His average is still paltry. He had the benefit of Shaq carrying him to many playoffs series to add to the total.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that he freezes mates out during crunchtime trying to play hero rather than making the best, smartest play.

Thank you for taking the time to care and contribute to this thread.

[YAWN]

16 Years of around 4 to 5 assists per game is not that impressive.
meh, he's a shooting guard... Hes always top 4 in the league among SG's in assists.

[Umad101]

First ****** be hating like: he don't pass he's a ball hog

Then when stats are provided

****** still hate like: well anyone can get those stats playing x amount of years or playing with x player

Keep hating Haters!!!!!!!!

[I LUV KOBE]

GAWDBe surpassed Mike again.. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[9erempiree]

GAWDBe surpassed Mike again.. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

he passed MJ this year actually.

[MaxFly]

These numbers are bogus. WTH



Oh well... who cares?

His average is still paltry. He had the benefit of Shaq carrying him to many playoffs series to add to the total.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that he freezes mates out during crunchtime trying to play hero rather than making the best, smartest play.


Wow...

[Jameerthefear]

Oh well... who cares?

His average is still paltry. He had the benefit of Shaq carrying him to many playoffs series to add to the total.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that he freezes mates out during crunchtime trying to play hero rather than making the best, smartest play.
You right now:
http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/173311-2/Wrestling_She_mad.gif

[RazorBaLade]

16 Years of around 4 to 5 assists per game is not that impressive.

doing it for 16 years is mighty impressive

[HardwoodLegend]

doing it for 16 years is mighty impressive

Okay, so let's praise his durability, Iron Man stature and luck with rosters.

The total does nothing to vindicate him of his selfishness.

Paltry average, son. Paltry.

[KLovin]

While the stat presented can be a bit misleading when compared to the guys whom he's passed, it's definitely worth noting. He's been balling at a high for a large number of years, and it's like I've always said: One of the smartest players ever who probably almost always knows the right play. Just has a definite flair for the dramatic.

[Linspired]

:eek: . That's actually really interesting. What's more interesting is the fact that MJ has less assists than him.

:coleman:

not sure if serious

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Kobe led his team in assists every year, except one, for over a decade.

[takai]

Good for Kobe, hope he gets it this season(which he obviously will).

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Okay, so let's praise his durability, Iron Man stature and luck with rosters.

The total does nothing to vindicate him of his selfishness.

Paltry average, son. Paltry.
:facepalm
10th post and he has already proven himself to be an idiot. Is that a new record?

[LosBulls]

16 Years of around 4 to 5 assists per game is not that impressive.
Let's see you average 5 assists per game for 16 years...Wait...Let's see you average 5 assists, period.

[I LUV KOBE]

Averaging more than 5apg for 16 years and playing most of his career in the triangle offense.. That's our GAWDBe.. :bowdown:

[fpliii]

that's pretty neat...quite the unique distinction

GOATbe :bowdown:

[Legends66NBA7]

16 Years of around 4 to 5 assists per game is not that impressive.

There are 155 players in NBA history that have qualified all-time during the regular season to have averaged between 4 to 5 assists.

There are 75 players in NBA history that have qualified all-time during the playoffs to have averaged between 4 to 5 assists.

On both lists, Kobe's one of the few players that isn't a point guard.

Not to mention, Kobe played a lot of those years within the triangle offense, so he couldn't rack up all those assists, even if he was looking to play that way (facilitator).

[Sakkreth]

I wonder if it counts as assist when kobe airballs and his teammate catches and scores.

[Quickening]

meh, he's a shooting guard... Hes always top 4 in the league among SG's in assists.

A shooting guard who constantly has the ball in his hands... his assists are poor in comparison to his usage.

[IGotACoolStory]

He's only played about 40 more playoff games than Jordan...

The longevity is more impressive than the number.

[Legends66NBA7]

He's only played about 40 more playoff games than Jordan...

The longevity is more impressive than the number.

Yup, well said.

[Quickening]

He's only played about 40 more playoff games than Jordan...

The longevity is more impressive than the number.

What longevity... his only 33 isn't he... last 2 play offsgone out early...

So since his been 31, not done shit.... bar shot jack on poor efficiency.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

I don't understand how 5 assists per game isn't considered good for a shooting guard. Some legendary point guards average 9 or 10 assists per game in their career.

Some people act like Kobe refuses to pass the ball. It's bullshit.

[9erempiree]

He's only played about 40 more playoff games than Jordan...

The longevity is more impressive than the number.

Of course he's going to play more playoff games than MJ because Kobe's took his team to the Finals more time than MJ.

[Quickening]

I don't understand how 5 assists per game isn't considered good for a shooting guard. Some legendary point guards average 9 or 10 assists per game in their career.

Some people act like Kobe refuses to pass the ball. It's bullshit.

Because he basically plays as a PG on a stacked team... what part of that aren't you understanding... Checked how much he has the ball in his hands on average a game....

[9erempiree]

Because he basically plays as a PG on a stacked team... what part of that aren't you understanding... Checked how much he has the ball in his hands on average a game....

Triangle offense does not have a true PG.

Of course he's going to have the ball in his hands.

They probably pass to Kobe twice or 3 times a possession in the triangle.

[Quickening]

Triangle offense does not have a true PG.

Of course he's going to have the ball in his hands.

They probably pass to Kobe twice or 3 times a possession in the triangle.

So why are people comparing him to true SGs... :confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

So why are people comparing him to true SGs... :confusedshrug:
:hammerhead:

[Quickening]

:hammerhead:

What aren't you understanding... Kobe hasn't played as a SG for a long time... including last season... he has the ball in his hands more than any other player, his assists are poor, just isn't a great passer.

[Kblaze8855]

All this means is that due to the expanded number of playoff games all modern star swingmen have the advantage and will fill this list. Kobe has played literally twice as many playoff games as some guys who have won 6 rings.

You have 4 rounds of 7 game series.4 of the top 5 all time leaders in playoff games were from this era and all 4 of them were on the Shaq/Kobe lakers.

Totals in far more games played does little to prove a point on a matter like this. Its not like Kareem being the leading scorer in way more games than most. Kareem was dropping 35ppg at one point and scoring a lot till he was 38.

There are non guards who topped his playoff career high average 6-7 times.

There are multiple centers who put up more playoff assists per game than Kobe ever has on a playoff run.

Whatever you think about Kobe being selfish or not...there isnt a point to be made with such easily explained numbers.

Get less assists but play in an era with more playoff games you can easily climb the list.

Whatever Kobe does Lebron is going to pass if only for playing a bigger portion of his career in an era of longer playoff runs(not that that would be the reason he passes Kobe anyway). And then someone will pass him.

This is gonna go the same way as those irrelevant "Youngest to ____" records all the HS to NBA stars took because they didnt go to college. Rate lebron is going hes gonna blow by Nash one day and even be well past Kidd by the time hes near Kobes games played. Lebron could pass Isiah Thomas in a couple years.

But hes already played more playoff games than Isiah so....so what?

No point to be made with that information totals wise by the time hes played twice as many games as Isiah.....

[Yung D-Will]

Nash will probally finish just short of Kidd

[9erempiree]

Nash will probally finish just short of Kidd

most likely.

[Meticode]

:eek: . That's actually really interesting. What's more interesting is the fact that MJ has less assists than him.
Numbers in playoff games only...

Jordan: 179 games played, 7,474 minutes played
Kobe: 220 games played, 17,281 minutes played * (corrected, it's 8641, NBA.com can't add)

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/playoffs.html?player=michael_jordan
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/career_stats.html

There's your answer why.

[mentallooser]

Passbe
Assistbe
Playoff Assistbe
Breaking recordsbe

[bmulls]

All this means is that due to the expanded number of playoff games all modern star swingmen have the advantage and will fill this list. Kobe has played literally twice as many playoff games as some guys who have won 6 rings.

You have 4 rounds of 7 game series.4 of the top 5 all time leaders in playoff games were from this era and all 4 of them were on the Shaq/Kobe lakers.

Totals in far more games played does little to prove a point on a matter like this. Its not like Kareem being the leading scorer in way more games than most. Kareem was dropping 35ppg at one point and scoring a lot till he was 38.

There are non guards who topped his playoff career high average 6-7 times.

There are multiple centers who put up more playoff assists per game than Kobe ever has on a playoff run.

Whatever you think about Kobe being selfish or not...there isnt a point to be made with such easily explained numbers.

Get less assists but play in an era with more playoff games you can easily climb the list.

Whatever Kobe does Lebron is going to pass if only for playing a bigger portion of his career in an era of longer playoff runs(not that that would be the reason he passes Kobe anyway). And then someone will pass him.

This is gonna go the same way as those irrelevant "Youngest to ____" records all the HS to NBA stars took because they didnt go to college. Rate lebron is going hes gonna blow by Nash one day and even be well past Kidd by the time hes near Kobes games played. Lebron could pass Isiah Thomas in a couple years.

But hes already played more playoff games than Isiah so....so what?

No point to be made with that information totals wise by the time hes played twice as many games as Isiah.....

This.

Only on ISH can people be fooled by stats like OP posted.

[Halcon]

games without an assist:

Kobe Bryant: 61

[LamarOdom]

games without an assist:

Kobe Bryant: 61

Games as a 18-19 year old non starter coming from High school = 150

[The Macho Man]

Numbers in playoff games only...

Jordan: 179 games played, 7,474 minutes played
Kobe: 220 games played, 17,281 minutes played

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/playoffs.html?player=michael_jordan
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/career_stats.html

There's your answer why.

:kobe:

Kobe playing 78 minutes per game in the playoffs:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Meticode]

:kobe:

Kobe playing 78 minutes per game in the playoffs:bowdown: :bowdown:
:roll: I thought that looked odd, NBA.com is ****ed...still you get my point, he's played more games and I'm pretty sure more minutes as well.

[Halcon]

Games as a 18-19 year old non starter coming from High school = 150
games without an assist:

Kobe Bryant: 61

[LamarOdom]

:roll: I thought that looked odd, NBA.com is ****ed...still you get my point, he's played more games and I'm pretty sure more minutes as well.

DAym your math is way off.

220*39,3=8646

[Meticode]

:kobe:

Kobe playing 78 minutes per game in the playoffs:bowdown: :bowdown:
I added it, it's 8641.

[Meticode]

DAym your math is way off.

220*39,3=8646
NBA.com...look at their site. They have it listed as 17,000+ in career playoff minutes.

[The Macho Man]

They are giving him credit for the mins of all five players on the team for the stretches he carried them by himself:bowdown: :bowdown:

[LamarOdom]

NBA.com...look at their site. They have it listed as 17,000+ in career playoff minutes.

Oh yeah I see it that would be X2 the minutes he's played.

[Levity]

They are giving him credit for the mins of all five players on the team for the stretches he carried them by himself:bowdown: :bowdown:

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[dajadeed]

They are giving him credit for the mins of all five players on the team for the stretches he carried them by himself:bowdown: :bowdown:


:oldlol:

[konex]

:eek: . That's actually really interesting. What's more interesting is the fact that MJ has less assists than him.

First round was 5 games for a lot of MJ's career

[9erempiree]

Of course Kobe's played in more playoff games then MJ and that shouldn't be a knock on Playoffbe.

It's not his fault that MJ couldn't take his teams deep into the playoffs and MJ couldn't make it past the first round in his first 3 years.

Also, Assistbe made it to more Finals than MJ.

You guys can't knock a guy for being able to do that.

[9erempiree]

great thread by the OP.

[Round Mound]

16 Years of around 4 to 5 assists per game is not that impressive.

This

[Soundwave]

Enjoy it while it lasts.

LeBron will eventually demolish that record.

[KyrieTheFuture]

That's why I like averages more than totals. If you're in the playoffs more years that doesn't make you a better passer.

[SpecialQue]

Enjoy it while it lasts.

LeBron will eventually demolish that record.

If we're talking assists leading to a potential game winner, maybe.

[Nevaeh]

Of course Kobe's played in more playoff games then MJ and that shouldn't be a knock on Playoffbe.

It's not his fault that MJ couldn't take his teams deep into the playoffs and MJ couldn't make it past the first round in his first 3 years.

Also, Assistbe made it to more Finals than MJ.

You guys can't knock a guy for being able to do that.

Dude, your boy is just going through the motions now. His ship has sailed, and a new Generation of fans are cheering their guys on now. They're just waiting for you guys like you to get over yourselves already!

[LamarOdom]

This

16 years of no ring

[9erempiree]

That's why I like averages more than totals. If you're in the playoffs more years that doesn't make you a better passer.

Too bad you are really simple minded. While you think it's not impressive because Kobe's leading in playoff assists......

The real point is....it's not his fault for being able to play in that much playoff games.

You cannot control how many playoff games you've played.

Nor is it his fault that Player B can't lead his team to the playoffs every year.

[9erempiree]

Dude, your boy is just going through the motions now. His ship has sailed, and a new Generation of fans are cheering their guys on now. They're just waiting for you guys like you to get over yourselves already!

Perhaps you are right and I doubt it. Judging by the amount of Kobe threads on the message boards, on the internet, he's just as popular and relevant as he is now and then.

[Derka]

Nash only has 8 more career assists than Kobe? That doesn't sound right at all.

[9erempiree]

Nash only has 8 more career assists than Kobe? That doesn't sound right at all.

Mamba goes further in playoffs than Nash.

As simple as that.

Can't hate Kobe for doing what he can...and Nash not so much.

[swag2011]

Dude, your boy is just going through the motions now. His ship has sailed, and a new Generation of fans are cheering their guys on now. They're just waiting for you guys like you to get over yourselves already!

Ahh, another record Kobe's about to break, and the haters come flocking in like no other trying to once again downplay his accomplishments haha. gotta love it.

He's obviously still popular and relevant as he was a few years ago or else you wouldn't be in this thread pressed about him about to break another record.

Didn't a few weeks ago Kobe topped the list for number 1 selling jersey internationally, in Europe, China and latin america? Obviously his ship hasn't sailed yet. But you tried though, :applause: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19396795

:cheers: to Kobe making you mad since 96

[Legends66NBA7]

Ahh, another record Kobe's about to break, and the haters come flocking in like no other trying to once again downplay his accomplishments haha. gotta love it.

He's obviously still popular and relevant as he was a few years ago or else you wouldn't be in this thread pressed about him about to break another record.

Didn't a few weeks ago Kobe topped the list for number 1 selling jersey internationally, in Europe, China and latin america? Obviously his ship hasn't sailed yet. But you tried though, :applause: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19396795

:cheers: to Kobe making you mad since 96

Nev doesn't hate Kobe.

Probably just dislikes his stans (or just trolling them), but I'm pretty sure with my past convo's with him, he's got the ultimate respect for Kobe.

[strike]

This forum is sooo pathetic.

This thread is filled with 48% ******gers saying "omg that's an amazing stat. Kobe=goat". 48% haters saying "what a meaningless stat. Kobe is absolutely shit, crap usage, blaa blaa blaa". And maybe 4% of unbiased reasonable posts.

Grow up you lot. Seriously

[9erempiree]

This forum is sooo pathetic.

This thread is filled with 48% ******gers saying "omg that's an amazing stat. Kobe=goat". 48% haters saying "what a meaningless stat. Kobe is absolutely shit, crap usage, blaa blaa blaa". And maybe 4% of unbiased reasonable posts.

Grow up you lot. Seriously

I agree.

The haters flood this message board with hate on an "old" man.

Give it up already, said player, is a NBA legend.

[strike]

I agree.

The haters flood this message board with hate on an "old" man.

Give it up already, said player, is a NBA legend.

You don't have to like him. But how can anyone who claims to be a basketball fan not respect what he's done. Yea he has a boat load of fanboys and ******gers, but just let it go.

[9erempiree]

You don't have to like him. But how can anyone who claims to be a basketball fan not respect what he's done. Yea he has a boat load of fanboys and ******gers, but just let it go.

thanks...and this is coming from a guy that don't really like Kobe.

I get a thrill from educating the younger fans.

[miller-time]

kobe breaking totals records is merely a placeholder. lebron will smash all of these records within the next 5 years. and then go above and beyond the 5 years after that.

[Nevaeh]

Nev doesn't hate Kobe.

Probably just dislikes his stans (or just trolling them), but I'm pretty sure with my past convo's with him, he's got the ultimate respect for Kobe.

Thank you Legends. The milestones themselves aren't the problem. It's treating each one like the "Second Coming" that gets annoying as hell, especially if its a "Longevity" based milestone. I can remember Kareem racking up achievements late in his career. But guess what? Nobody gave that much of a damn, because it was basically sh!t that he should be accomplishing, considering how long he played.

Other players with fewer years in the league still have him trumped on achievements, based on how overall greatness is judged. To treat "more assists" like some be all-end all is like a "Well, No Sh!t" as opposed to a "Wow That's Great" type of achievement. Soon he'll have the most field goal attempts in League history. Are we gonna celebrate that too, after 20+ (or less) years in the League?

[swag2011]

Thank you Legends. The milestones themselves aren't the problem. It's treating each one like the "Second Coming" that gets annoying as hell, especially if its a "Longevity" based milestone. I can remember Kareem racking up achievements late in his career. But guess what? Nobody gave that much of a damn, because it was basically sh!t that he should be accomplishing, considering how long he played.

Other players with fewer years in the league still have him trumped on achievements, based on how overall greatness is judged. To treat "more assists" like some be all-end all is like a "Well, No Sh!t" as opposed to a "Wow That's Great" type of achievement. Soon he'll have the most field goal attempts in League history. Are we gonna celebrate that too, after 20+ (or less) years in the League?

If people wanna point that out than why are so mad? Why does it make you so pressed? If anything, it should be a HUGE accomplishment and should tell you about longevity. For players like Kobe to play so long at such an elite level considering all the injuries he's been put through is ****ing amazing. We may never see another player like him again. His longevity is part of what makes him amazing because he OUTLASTED all his peers basically. Back in the early 00s everyone was all hype for Vince Carter, T-Mac, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady etc, and Kobe's outlasted all them.

So i don't even understand the point of you being pressed about Kobe breaking longevity records. Alot of older players probably would KILL to have played as long as he did at such a high level. Yes some stans overrate and treat it like the 2nd coming of God or whatever, but that shouldn't take away how amazing it is for him to be doing what he's doing at his age. And you're right other player may have accomplished more with fewer years in the league but i could say the same vice versa. But i'm not even gunna stan cause you know the shit Kobe was doing at a young age that people haven't, couldn't, or won't achieve. So stop being so pressed and bitter. If it hurts your feelings that much, don't come in a Kobe thread. :confusedshrug:

[Punpun]

Thank you Legends. The milestones themselves aren't the problem. It's treating each one like the "Second Coming" that gets annoying as hell, especially if its a "Longevity" based milestone. I can remember Kareem racking up achievements late in his career. But guess what? Nobody gave that much of a damn, because it was basically sh!t that he should be accomplishing, considering how long he played.

Other players with fewer years in the league still have him trumped on achievements, based on how overall greatness is judged. To treat "more assists" like some be all-end all is like a "Well, No Sh!t" as opposed to a "Wow That's Great" type of achievement. Soon he'll have the most field goal attempts in League history. Are we gonna celebrate that too, after 20+ (or less) years in the League?

So much butthurt and disrespect over KAJ greatness.

:biggums:

[rawimpact]

kobe breaking totals records is merely a placeholder. lebron will smash all of these records within the next 5 years. and then go above and beyond the 5 years after that.

sure, but he lowered his pay to join someone elses team to do it... aka shortcut

[MaxFly]

First round was 5 games for a lot of MJ's career

Jordan's Bulls were able to make the playoffs with a 30-52 and a 38-44 record. Different eras...

[miller-time]

sure, but he lowered his pay to join someone elses team to do it... aka shortcut

meh he's still 1st option. unlike when shaq joined the lakers and kobe was 2nd option.

[Overdrive]

Jordan's Bulls were able to make the playoffs with a 30-52 and a 38-44 record. Different eras...

The NBA expension teams would have improved those records or do you think it would have been harder playing those scrubteams instead of the Celtics, Sixers and so on?

The record is still great though; Kobe takes alot milestones be longevity, but still his averages on playoff assists aren't that bad. It's not like he did and will pass others by posting 2 apg for 500-600 gp. He's posting about 5apg over his playoff career and that's alot considering his me first style and playing alongside Shaq, who as a postplayer by default "kills" quite a few assists.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan's Bulls were able to make the playoffs with a 30-52 and a 38-44 record. Different eras...

lol MaxFly trolling hard. But he's "not a Bryant fan", remember. :oldlol:

What the HELL does that have to do with the topic, anyway? What matters is that Kobe has played in 41 more playoff games than MJ. What does the records his teams had when making the PS matter at all?

[Hittin_Shots]

Lebrons gonna put up 300 assists this years playoffs and go passed him

[Calabis]

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/14845-2/kobe+no-look+pass+there+it+goes.jpg

...to lead all players in history with the most that's not a Point Guard in the Playoffs.

I thought this was very interesting considering that most people say he's selfish and doesn't get his teammates involved.

Magic - 2346 190 games 12.34 per
Stockton - 1839 182 Games 10.1 per
Kidd - 1239 146 Games 8.48 per


Bird - 1062 164 Games 6.47 per
Nash - 1048 118 Games 8.8 per
Pippen - 1046 208 Games 5.02 per
Kobe - 1040 220 Games 4.7 per
MJ - 1022 179 Games
5.7 per
Now that Nash is on his team, I expect Nash to move up and rounding out all the PG's in the top 5.

:roll:

Playoff assist???? This Mfer has played more games than anyone on the list...wow Kobe doing work avg less assist than anyone named:facepalm

[Punpun]

his Mfer has played more games than anyone on the list...wow Kobe doing work:facepalm

Hating on longetivity ? Next thing we know, you will be hating on KAJ.

:kobe:

[Calabis]

Hating on longetivity ? Next thing we know, you will be hating on KAJ.

:kobe:

longevity?? :oldlol: Dude came into a 50 win playoff team....name everyone on that list that has had that benefit...not to mention 7 game series every round....does that equal longevity? No it equals being fortunate and kinda lucky with circumstances.

[Hittin_Shots]

longevity?? :oldlol: Dude came into a 50 win playoff team....name everyone on that list that has had that benefit...not to mention 7 game series every round....does that equal longevity? No it equals being fortunate and kinda lucky with circumstances.

Both fortunate and kinda lucky?

[pauk]

Nice, but...

Kobe Bryant accomplished that feat by a simple matter of long, long years, having 15 playoff appearances (220 playoff games) averaging 4.7 apg...

Besides the nice longevity the context itself of that feat is actually not so impressive, for you to understand what i mean then take a look at the current Non-PG assist leader (Larry Bird) on that playoff assist list:

---It took Larry Bird 60 less playoff games to accomplish those assists Kobe has right now.

---If Larry Bird played 220 playoff games like Kobe he would have 1430 playoff assists trailing only Stockton & Magic... no non-PG would be able to touch this, except probably Lebron.... Lebron who himself is actually 276 assists away from Kobe's playoff assists and did it with 8 less playoff appearances and 105 less games.... If Lebron played 220 playoff games he would have 1500+ assists...

Kobe averages 69 assists per playoff run
Bird averaged 89 assists per playoff run

Stockton averaged 97 assists per playoff run
Lebron averages 111 assists per playoff run (with that pace, it will take him only ~3 more playoff runs to surpass Kobe)
Magic averaged 180 assists per playoff run

[BuffaloBill]

Damn Pauk, do you have to hate on everything Kobe does? Did he rape your sister or something?

[Calabis]

Both fortunate and kinda lucky?

Yeah is it that hard to comprehend

Fortunate: Bringing something good and unforeseen (Hornets to Lakers a 50 win team, with the most dominant force in basketball)

Luck: a combination of circumstances, events, etc., operating by chance to bring good (after Shaq leaves his franchise lands Gasol/Odom/Bynum...giving him the most dominant front court in the league)

[Kblaze8855]

Reading this topic really makes me wonder why people who dont care enough about history to look into it argue about peoples place in it.

There are so many reasons this "record" doesnt matter its hard for me to even believe this was posted to begin with. Forget if you think Bird and older players just...failed to lead their teams to as much playoff success as Kobe and therefore played less games....

When I was a kid....the #1 seed got a BYE in the playoffs.

The Celtics didnt even PLAY the first round every year. Now its 4 to 7 games. And in those times....even if you didnt get a bye? The first round was THREE games. Best of 3...so...you win games one and two...series over.

Larry Bird was probably working on his 3rd ring before he could even play the first round if he had the #1 seed and if he played it...its a 3 game series.


Talking about Kobe as about to break a record nobody before now had a chance to set under anything close to the same conditions? Really?

And its not like a playoff totals record is always due to playing the best. Even if everyone in question played the same number of rounds....one guy sweeps his way to the finals and the other goes the distance playing worse all along...the guy who played better and led his team to Ws....has WORSE totals.

Bill Russell won 11 rings in 12 finals trips and played less playoff games than Sam Perkins who while playing in 2 more playoffs(played longer than Bill) went out first round 6 times and made 9 less finals.

People have won the title only playing 12 games. You can not make the conference finals and play 14 today. Kobe just played 12 games and lost in the second round.

It is not even close to fair to compare totals vs players of the past. Them playing too well HURT their numbers. Dominate too much and get a #1 seed you dont even play the first round. Or get a #2 seed and play a weak team and sweep them...in 2 games.

Played too well to stack numbers.

But lets just take the totals at face value and ignore everything...call it hating if it makes it obvious Kobe wont have the record due to playing the best in this area or even the most longevity. He will have it(till lebron takes it) because his era gives you more playoff games to play per round which is why 4 players from the Shaq/Kobe lakers are top 5 all time in playoff games played.

Its not superior dominance. Its not having a first round bye, not having a 2 game first round when you dont have a bye, and not finishing off teams very quickly leading to long playoff series.

Which should be too obvious to make such a topic. Either you care about history or you dont. If you dont care how these things come about...why talk about where someone ranks in relation to people from the past?

[DirtySanchez]

There are two dumb arguments going on here...

Argument one is this so called record....who cares?!?!?!
Kobe has had a long career and was a part of many successful teams.
People saying it's luck others want to attribute the longevity to Kobe work ethic and skill...hey it's a little bit of both. But at the end of the day the record for non point guard assist in the playoffs sounds like a lot of meaningless wind.

But I understand where it comes from....it is a rebuttal for argument number 2 ....Kobe doesn't pass etc.

Has it ever been this man's game to pass? It is a dumb knock on a brilliant career so far. Kobe is a scorer always has been always will be.

Any how my 2 cents on this whole matter.

Kids today argue over the dumbest sh*t now.