[VIDEO] - Footage of Jerry West

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8rjREaql2U

I'm working on a long video for Jerry West like I did for Oscar, so this is only a small bit of footage I got. The music is shit right now so just bare with it or hit mute for now lol I'm still searching for the right tracks for Jerry.

What do you guys think of his gamefilm though? Still nothing fancy but he looks quick as f*ck on his feet and with his hands. West's footage is more hero-ball friendly than Oscar's. Oscar used muscle, West uses hustle.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d7zTAwHcqCA/T1QMvDAu_vI/AAAAAAAADK4/mOMuPvuxGoE/s640/jerry-west-west-virginia-basketball_t6210.jpg

Player Profile:
*6-3 listed shooting guard (Though West claims he actually stood "just over 6-4")
*6-9 wingspan
*11' 4" Max Reach (16" above the rim, only 1" shy of Dwayne Wade)
*180-185lbs



***EDIT*** I updated the link, I have a new version of the video I uploaded.

[Foster5k]

:oldlol:

Hell, J. J. Redick would be Michael Jordan playing back then.

[chosen_one6]

Great video. I always like watching classic film.

[CavaliersFTW]

:oldlol:

Hell, J. J. Redick would be Michael Jordan playing back then.
lol you don't honestly believe that do you? Reddick has the armspan of a T-Rex it's one of the reasons he can't ball in the NBA - and since when does Redick have the quickness Jerry West displays in the video? Can you name 5 shooters in NBA history with a release that fast?

[b1imtf]

:oldlol:

Hell, J. J. Redick would be Michael Jordan playing back then.
This.
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[BoutPractice]

Absolute genius of a player. I wasn't around when he was playing but I saw full games of his both in the 60s and the 70s and came away extremely impressed.

He's the prototype for today's perimeter stars as well as a great early example of a "combo guard", a ball handler who just makes plays happen.

Pretty much unstoppable as a scorer, the rare player who could both get to the rim (sometimes finishing with a very modern floater type shot) and shoot it from outside with awesome range. Possibly the greatest pull-up jumper in history. But he could also pass, rebound, defend, hustle... And while he was impossibly skilled, he was also very long and quick at his position. He wasn't "deceptively" athletic, just plain athletic, running the floor, going after the rebound, getting chasedown blocks...

I like how the footage shows him dribbling with his left hand, dispelling notions that he was somehow physically unable to do it.

He did fall in love with his shot from time to time... but his shooting percentages show that he had every reason to. His chucking was often justified.

[SilkkTheShocker]

OT but was on a road trip recently and passed by the hometown of Jerry West. Wow, what a dump. I applaud West for not getting stuck working in a cole mine or getting addicted to crystal meth.

[CavaliersFTW]

The amount of baseless criticism so far is :facepalm :lol

Nothing about West's game resembles J.J. Redick other than a purty jumper. Everything else West does in the video Redick can't do. Can Redick handle a ball through traffic? Does Redick's 6-3.5" wingspan and small hands miraculously grow to 6-9 if he plays in the 1960's? Does Redicks' 10' 10.5" max reach suddenly equate to Jerry West's 11' 4" Max Reach? Redick may also be a white dude with a nice looking jumper but he isn't nearly the same length or athleticism as Jerry West. West's physical measurements and numbers both most similarly resemble other "complete" shooting guards like Dwayne Wade or Kobe Bryant. It's not a coincidence. Hence, he was as good as he was. I might as well post a Trollolololo video next time, I might get some more serious responses :hammerhead:

[BoutPractice]

People see what they want to see. Even when you're shown evidence that challenges your beliefs, it only serves to reinforce those beliefs.

The fact is, Jerry West could finish plays other than catch & shoot. He would often find ways to score near the basket (though against such terrible rim protectors as Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain), and his quick release would allow him to get his shot off against the most athletic opponents.

[Horatio33]

I liked your video, proved that Jerry was a 'modern' player. Can you stop with the dramatic music in your videos, very tedious. Would prefer silence.

[CavaliersFTW]

I liked your video, proved that Jerry was a 'modern' player. Can you stop with the dramatic music in your videos, very tedious. Would prefer silence.
Just hit the mute button - as I stated in the OP :lol

[jstern]

The question is how many of today's players would be as good as him if they were only exposed to 40s and 50s basketball? Probably not many if any.

Kobe wouldn't make the league since he's more of a game copier and they didn't even have VHS back in the 40s and 50s.

So if you're unfamiliar with the NBA back then, you have to at least respect that about West.

[Clifton]

Take Jason Kidd and give him the scoring instinct of Paul Pierce. He also looks like a great leader on the court and off (I say this basically just on the basis of his posture).

When you have instincts like his it doesn't matter what era you play in. Jason Kidd at age 57 is still getting triple doubles because of instinct. Few guys have it. Some of the best players in the league today (Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett) don't have it. (My favorite example of a guy who didn't have an instinct for the game is Jermaine O'Neil, back when he was in Indiana scoring 20 points a night. I remember he led the league in shots blocked.) Others (Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Tim Duncan) do.

Consider this: is there anything really explosive or "modern" about Chris Paul's game? He's smaller than everyone and far from blindingly fast. And I would say his instinct for the game is not as good as West's. (it is still great though.) Pretty much everyone would call Paul a top 10 player right? I'd call him top 5. What about Brandon Roy? He wasn't that fast either, not terribly strong or quick or jumpy, and he couldn't even shoot that well, but he was scoring 22-25 a night for a while on instinct and ballhandling, and the Blazers were looking like future contenders when he was healthy.

West could be a top 5 player today. Could be. Surely top 10. Certainly not as good as Durant Wade or Lebron. But when we get into Derrick Rose, I think it's close. And I think intangibles would put him over the talent of a Russell Westbrook.

Thank you for the video.

[Poetry]

Just as I thought the defense sucks this would makes Sessions look like Gary Payton and Bargnani as Howard.

That's a huge blanket statement that doesn't seem informed at all by any experience playing ball or even watching basketball with a keen eye.

This footage shows both good and bad defensive sequences/players, bits and pieces of defensive styles from across different eras, different degrees of tempos and stagnation, varying efforts of defensive pressure, some modern no-handcheck blow-bys and some very timely, responsive contested shot block attempts, you see some guys "going after it" and some guys taking possessions off.

Without clearer footage, it's difficult to see what everyone is doing with their hands, i see a few attempts at defenders slowing down West at the waist, a few balance push-backs to throw off the shot, but the footage here seems closer to today's no-handcheck rules than the grittier style of years past.

The players seem either respectful or very cognizant of the refs (the latter matching up with the current modern era somewhat), but this footage doesn't tell the whole story, as i've read that players back then were likely to scratch your eyes out if they had the chance to.

There's no doubt athletes are better conditioned today than they were back then, but there's no way to fake skill level or dominance, degree of difficulty and effort. West was legit.



But thx for the upload great seeing how it was!

Yeah i'm looking forward to seeing more.

[CavaliersFTW]

finally some intelligent feedback :cheers:

Using Kobe Bryant as a benchmark, these are things I note when watching several hours of West's games/footage

Foot speed: *Frobe = | = West
Overall Quickness: West > Kobe (though *Frobe might be the same or close)
Passing: Kobe = | = West (though to be fair, I'm only watching young West)
Inside Footwork: Kobe > West
Penetrating Game: Kobe > West
In-air body control: Kobe > West
Defensive Rebounding: West > Kobe
Offensive Rebounding: West = | = Kobe
Quickness of outside shot: West > Kobe
Accuracy of outside shot: West > Kobe
Clutchness: West > Kobe
Shot blocking: West > Kobe
Pick-Pocketing: West > Kobe
1 on 1 defense: Kobe > West
Variety of inside go-to moves: Kobe > West
Variety of mid-range/outside go-to shots: West = | = Kobe
Ability to create shot: West = | = Kobe
Shot selection: West > Kobe
Ball Handling: Kobe > West

[LAClipsFan33]

Thanks...repped

[Vertical-24]

finally some intelligent feedback :cheers:

Using Kobe Bryant as a benchmark, these are things I note when watching several hours of West's games/footage

Foot speed: *Frobe = | = West
Overall Quickness: West > Kobe (though *Frobe might be the same or close)
Passing: Kobe = | = West (though to be fair, I'm only watching young West)
Inside Footwork: Kobe > West
Penetrating Game: Kobe > West
In-air body control: Kobe > West
Defensive Rebounding: West > Kobe
Offensive Rebounding: West = | = Kobe
Quickness of outside shot: West > Kobe
Accuracy of outside shot: West > Kobe
Clutchness: West > Kobe
Shot blocking: West > Kobe
Pick-Pocketing: West > Kobe
1 on 1 defense: Kobe > West
Variety of inside go-to moves: Kobe > West
Variety of mid-range/outside go-to shots: West = | = Kobe
Ability to create shot: West = | = Kobe
Shot selection: West > Kobe
Ball Handling: Kobe > West

I agree with most of this, however, I do believe that Kobe > West when it comes down to mid-range/outside go-to shots...in fact I believe that's one of the areas Bryant is most brilliant at. Definitely a matter of opinion but I think it can also be argued that Bryant in his prime was actually a better pick-pocket than West (despite lower stl. statistic), especially when defending a player straight up (man-to-man). But great highlight video man, as a basketball fan, I always appreciate the older footage you dig up. Can't wait for the full video :cheers:

[Poetry]

*6-9 wingspan

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/19571220WestVirginia.jpg

[franchise#3]

I love jerry west. He's one unique montherfuker.

[Legends66NBA7]

I apperciate the work man. Again, thanks a lot.

:cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

I apperciate the work man. Again, thanks a lot.

:cheers:
NP, it's very interesting watching all the footage as I make these, I'm noticing a lot of unexpected talent that I wish I had time to showcase coming from simple roleplayers and such. The entire 1965 season Lakers look fun as hell too watch with Jim King / Walt Hazzard / Jerry West / Dick Barnett in the backcourt plus Rudy LaRusso / Elgin Baylor / Leroy Ellis / Gene Wiley working the front court. They all looked extremely polished at their positions I can't believe the Celtics were handing it too them so easily

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/19571220WestVirginia.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e9ptFegtSGg/T2Tfo7rxOhI/AAAAAAAADOs/m8UZ8BnOeM8/s400/3zh1p2912.jpg

[fpliii]

watched part of it, solid for sure, bookmarked :cheers:

BTW I really liked your Oscar mix (wasn't activated at the time), shared it with a couple of other boards

suggestion: since these are the guys you're doing anyway, do you think you could work towards completing the NBA 35th Anniversary Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_35th_Anniversary_Team) with videos of all 11 guys (though only with highlights through the end of the 1979-80 season, since the list was announced on 10/30/80)?

could be the GOAT highlight series (again, it's probably a massive project to undertake, but it would be great if you continued with these amazing videos)

thanks again for sharing!

[9erempiree]

I enjoy this West video.

He's by far the most entertaining of guys from yester-years.

[senelcoolidge]

Nice footage. I'd rate West over Kobe. I know that's sacrilege in these parts.

[CavaliersFTW]

watched part of it, solid for sure, bookmarked :cheers:

BTW I really liked your Oscar mix (wasn't activated at the time), shared it with a couple of other boards

suggestion: since these are the guys you're doing anyway, do you think you could work towards completing the NBA 35th Anniversary Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_35th_Anniversary_Team) with videos of all 11 guys (though only with highlights through the end of the 1979-80 season, since the list was announced on 10/30/80)?

could be the GOAT highlight series (again, it's probably a massive project to undertake, but it would be great if you continued with these amazing videos)

thanks again for sharing!
I'll consider it, right now I'm doing the big-5 (Oscar, West, Baylor, Russell, Wilt) and I'll be saving who I've felt is the most mind blowing for last. Bill Russell is underrated as f*ck... the collection of that dude's footage IMHO is flat out nasty.

[Faptastrophe]

Thanks, CavsFTW.

His release is so fvcking awesome.

[fpliii]

I'll consider it, right now I'm doing the big-5 (Oscar, West, Baylor, Russell, Wilt) and I'll be saving who I've felt is the most mind blowing for last. Bill Russell is underrated as f*ck... the collection of that dude's footage IMHO is flat out nasty.

sounds good

thanks again, I'll share this after I watch, amazing videos

[CavaliersFTW]

Nice footage. I'd rate West over Kobe. I know that's sacrilege in these parts.
In b4 Alphawolf finds this :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

I think West's contributions to any team is def on par with Kobe though. They've got differences in their game but for every hit West has vs Kobe he seems to have a unique plus side as well.

[inclinerator]

nice vid next time can u put it on normal speed?

[CavaliersFTW]

nice vid next time can u put it on normal speed?
Sure thing, back in the 60s the atmosphere was as thick as molassess and the earth had moon gravity - gotta make sure people are still aware of that :lol

[jdm_dc_fan]

He was a modern player for his time but in this modern era he would not be able to score like he did. Imagine Ibaka in that era. Imagine lebron in that era. Ehh you know what that wouldn't be fair.

great video.:rockon:

[CavaliersFTW]

He was a modern player for his time but in this modern era he would not be able to score like he did. Imagine Ibaka in that era. Imagine lebron in that era. Ehh you know what that wouldn't be fair.

great video.:rockon:
Thanks for liking the vid, but it sounds like you dont actually know how good or bad any players were from that era, I pan through hours of footage and I can assure you a guy like Ibaka as both a physical specimen and overall talent is nothing special even compared to the joe blow bigmen of the 60s youve never heard of. Lebron of course would be dominate in any era but dont assume the talent of that era is weak just because its repeated like a broken record. Part of the reason im making vids like this and doing the research about the players is to dispell a lot of the myths about that era. I think most NBA fans confuse what 60s ball was like with what actually would best describe 40s ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4seN0mugh1k
see my 60s dunk mix for example...

[Suckafree]

Lol'd hard at the D @ :20

[CavaliersFTW]

Lol'd hard at the D @ :20:roll:
U mean the all star game clip? Because allstar games of todays era are played with far superior defensive effort :lol

[It's A VC3!!!]

Help defense was egregious back then. I could average 50 if I just beat my man.

Terrific job though OP :D

[CavaliersFTW]

Help defense was egregious back then. I could average 50 if I just beat my man.

Terrific job though OP :D
I wonder if West would score 50 a game today due to going to the line every time one of todays help-defenders batts an eyelash at him :D

Any era's rules or style of play can be criticised through a 1 sided glass. The era today is not exempt from the same such nitpicking. The truth is all of the eras have had similar scoring production by their stars accross the board (save for Wilt) so im pretty sure scoring numbers would remain relatively consistent

[magnax1]

Help defense was weak back then, but I'd also say that was true of the 80's. The way the game has changed since the 60s has mostly been in terms of the way the team works together. Better flowing offense, and more knowledgeable team defenses. At least, that was I take away from watching most older games. Most of that change happened in the late 80s and early 90s though, and the defenses continued to develop until a few years ago.

[MiseryCityTexas]

west would have excelled in today's league. look at the video. he's scoring over athletic black guys for chrissakes.

[G-Funk]

****ing sick! shyt is sick bro

[jlip]

I'll consider it, right now I'm doing the big-5 (Oscar, West, Baylor, Russell, Wilt) and I'll be saving who I've felt is the most mind blowing for last. Bill Russell is underrated as f*ck... the collection of that dude's footage IMHO is flat out nasty.

Can't wait to see the Russell video.

[G-Funk]

west would have excelled in today's league. look at the video. he's scoring over athletic black guys for chrissakes.

His game transcends time.

[G-Funk]

That pull up jumber is so sick!



He was a modern player for his time but in this modern era he would not be able to score like he did. Imagine Ibaka in that era. Imagine lebron in that era. Ehh you know what that wouldn't be fair.

great video.:rockon:

players like Nash and Gino can play in todays era, West would not have a problem

[Deuce Bigalow]

Give us some Mikan highlights. You know, the guy who's better than Wilt ever was.

[PTB Fan]

Amazing video. This is why I have West at #2 on my SG list just to Jordan. I often wonder to make an article on why West should be higher than just another top 10 guy at best, because he was super good in everything he did on the court.

I like the video a lot. I've been reading through old newspaper articles in which there're a ton of reports of West with 10+ steals in them. Quite outstanding for a player of his caliber. I share all of your videos on other forum, because they're just too good.

Is Baylor next or Russell?

[Punpun]

West better than Kobe.. Dem hipsters. :yaohappy:

[Punpun]

It's sligthly too sped up for huge chunks of the video. Especially when they are running. You can see the frames jumping.

[senelcoolidge]

Funny how people complain about the video being sped up or slowed down...they are highlight videos...what do you expect. They do the same thing with today's highlights. These are old videos as well. So dumb. :facepalm

[SuperPippen]

Amazing video. This is why I have West at #2 on my SG list just to Jordan. I often wonder to make an article on why West should be higher than just another top 10 guy at best, because he was super good in everything he did on the court.

I like the video a lot. I've been reading through old newspaper articles in which there're a ton of reports of West with 10+ steals in them. Quite outstanding for a player of his caliber. I share all of your videos on other forum, because they're just too good.

Is Baylor next or Russell?

As much as I respect and admire West - he's my favorite legend - I don't think that there is a case any more for ranking him over Kobe. The top SG list has an irrefutable 1, 2, and 3 at this point in Jordan, Kobe, and West.

[CavaliersFTW]

Funny how people complain about the video being sped up or slowed down...they are highlight videos...what do you expect. They do the same thing with today's highlights. These are old videos as well. So dumb. :facepalm
honestly this video isn't sped up, punpun is just bein a dick - this is early 60's footage I'm using which is actually just before the slow-motion trend took over all those in-color NBA documentaries of the late 60's. I didn't even tap into my late 60's footage yet all this footage stops at 1965 :lol

Sorry, but that's just how quick Jerry West was, and that's how fast those players were. Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWVi0EtJcZg&t=9m53s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRFjFnXNNB8&t=21m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRFjFnXNNB8&t=22m32s

Truth hurts when it doesn't fit your agenda don't it punpun? :lebroncry:

[Punpun]

My agenda ? I only have T-rob on my agenda Cavaliers. I gave him my full time and total dedication.

:kobe:

[DurantFor40]

Very overrated player.

[CavaliersFTW]

Very overrated player.
Really? Cause his game reminds me a lot of Westbrook except his shot looks even better, and he's taller and longer, and his defense and shotblocking and courtvision looks even better, and he doesn't seem to lose his temper every play, and he isn't trying to play a position he doesn't fit. Just imagine how good OKC would be if Westbrick was more like West... :eek:

[CavaliersFTW]

Give us some Mikan highlights. You know, the guy who's better than Wilt ever was.
Mikan would manhandle Kobe from 3 point range :D

[bizil]

Absolute genius of a player. I wasn't around when he was playing but I saw full games of his both in the 60s and the 70s and came away extremely impressed.

He's the prototype for today's perimeter stars as well as a great early example of a "combo guard", a ball handler who just makes plays happen.

Pretty much unstoppable as a scorer, the rare player who could both get to the rim (sometimes finishing with a very modern floater type shot) and shoot it from outside with awesome range. Possibly the greatest pull-up jumper in history. But he could also pass, rebound, defend, hustle... And while he was impossibly skilled, he was also very long and quick at his position. He wasn't "deceptively" athletic, just plain athletic, running the floor, going after the rebound, getting chasedown blocks...

I like how the footage shows him dribbling with his left hand, dispelling notions that he was somehow physically unable to do it.

He did fall in love with his shot from time to time... but his shooting percentages show that he had every reason to. His chucking was often justified.

I agree 100%! When it came to the first SG who really had NO WEAKNESSES. He was a great scorer, very good-great rebounder for a SG, great defender, and great passer from the SG spot. On top of that he was a great athlete and great shooter from anywhere. After West, u didn't really SG's dominate like that until MJ came around. For example, Maravich and Monroe were great passers and scorers from the SG. Gervin was a great scorer and very good rebounder. A guy like Dave Bing might actually have an underrated case before MJ came along. But West dominated the SG in an epic manner.

I think comparing Big O to West is damn similar to comparing Magic to MJ or Bron to Kobe. U have epic guys who have an awesome mix of size, skill, and versatility in Big O, Magic, and Bron. Then u have three guys who have literally no weaknesses and are as versatile as u can be for their sizes in West, MJ, and Kobe. The first group seem to have a sixth sense when it comes to passing the rock. The second group are great passers themselves, but they are the ultimate killers and the three most clutch guards of all time most likely.

[SuperPippen]

Give us some Mikan highlights. You know, the guy who's better than Wilt ever was.

I know that you like to troll, but I hope that you don't honestly believe that.

[jlauber]

I know that you like to troll, but I hope that you don't honestly believe that.

I'm convinced of it. And anytime Chamberlain's name is brought up in ANY discussion, this fool will rush in and disparage him. It's downright comical, too. There is practically nothing anyone can do to diminish what Chamberlain accomplished. But this clown ALWAYS brings up Wilt's poor FT shooting in a couple of his Finals. That is ALL he can come up with.

He blames Wilt for "losing" the '70 Finals, when Wilt went 1-11 in game seven. In fact, at the time he made that comment, he added that that game cost Wilt 3-4 rings. That GAME mind you. Of course, the idiot conveniently left out the fact that the Lakers were down by 27 points at halftime, and that Chamberlain was the ONLY Laker who did ANYTHING in the first half. Or that Wilt could have went 11-11 from the line, and they would have still lost.

The dunce also blames Wilt for losing the '69 Finals, while forgetting about BAYLOR and West combining to shoot 1-14 in the 4th quarter of a game three, six point loss (or that Baylor just shot 4-14 from the field in that game.) Or that BAYLOR went 2-14 from the field in a game four, one point loss, as well as 1-6 from the line! Or that while Wilt was shooting 7-8 from the floor in game seven, BAYLOR was shooting 8-22, in a two point loss.

Oh, and the moron never brings up the fact that Chamberlain shot poorly in the '67 Finals, either, when his team waltzed to a title. Or that Russell and Shaq shot nearly as bad as Chamberlain did in the post-season, and yet the two won a combined 15 rings.

Chamberlain easily outshot Russell from the line in the '65 ECF's, too....in a series that went seven games, and his team lost that game seven by one point. In fact, Chamberlain crushed Russell in every facet of the game in that series, and yet, since Boston won...well, it was Wilt's FT shooting that must have cost them the series.

Yet, how often does Dunce bring up Kobe shooting his team out of the '04 and '08 Finals, with just horrible shooting games? Or Bird misfiring so often in his post-season career? Or Kareem flopping badly in SEVERAL BIG GAMES, or entire playoff series, or even entire post-seasons? Or the great West shooting .325 in the Finals that Chamberlain won the FMVP award in?

[SyRyanYang]

Great video. Lol @ some idiots comparing him to JJ.
Had he played in this era, he'd be something close to Steve Nash.

[Pointguard]

His offensive game in this video looks a lot like a Tony Parker when his game is on (exactly, actually): The great pull up jumpers, hesitation penetration and speed. Obviously, the lenth, quickness and extension allowed him to be great on defense. Solid video.

Later West had more dramatic moments and exhibits his will a little better from the little I seen of the Knicks championship series. Will the end product have his later years?

[CavaliersFTW]

Kobe fans are about to get extraordinarily pissed... My next wave of footage mixed with what I got posted so far is makes West look mind blowing. West is better than I thought, I think he might actually be... better than Kobe :wtf: :eek:

still got more footage to go through so sit tight

[CavaliersFTW]

To those subscribed that didn't see it yet in my other thread, I updated this video - highlights now go back to 1968 with some new color footage and includes some plays from '63, '66 and more from the '62 NBA finals games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8rjREaql2U

:bowdown:

[Punpun]

You are so funny. I love your work tho. Impressive to see just how evolved the game of basketball has become.

Just like Painting History. From drawing on walls to Miro's.

:bowdown:

[CavaliersFTW]

You are so funny. I love your work tho. Impressive to see just how evolved the game of basketball has become.

Just like Painting History. From drawing on walls to Miro's.

:bowdown:

The only compliments you give about anything 60's or 70's related are backhanded ones :oldlol:

[Punpun]

The only compliments you give about anything 60's or 70's related are backhanded ones :oldlol:

My comment was misguiding. The 70 weren't painting on the wall. The 70 were more about like pre-Renaissance paintings. Pretty interesting, pretty use of colours etc.

But yeah, guilty as charged. :D

[BoutPractice]

The video's getting better and better.
I wonder if one could be made of Baylor later, he had some pretty spectacular plays.

[CavaliersFTW]

The video's getting better and better.
I wonder if one could be made of Baylor later, he had some pretty spectacular plays.

Alread workin on it, Baylor is legit too, his mid-air body control is basically MJ but his bodytype is probably better described like the skinniest version of Barkley cause Baylor wasn't long and lean like MJ he used his strength to get position. Baylors footwork is the other thing that stands out, he can rotate off his weak pivot foot and still make shots which is very difficult to do. Baylors got a lot of tricks up his sleeve from 16 feet in.