Who Wins? Kobe+Shaq Versus Jordan+Hakeem in a 2 on 2

[Foster5k]

Who wins? All in their primes.


Kobe + Shaq

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/Timeline-Of-Kobe-Bryant.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/shaq-david-robinson.jpg

Versus

Jordan + Hakeem

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/MichaelJordanKobeBryant2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/hakeem-olajuwon-05.jpg

[swi7ch]

Jordan and the local janitor will beat Kobe + Shaq. There's a reason he's the GOAT.

[GaryRaymond23]

Jordan and Hakeem, easily.

[The Choken One]

Shaq in a 2v2? I don't really care if it's Hakeem...he's not losing.

[eliteballer]

My money's on Shaq and Kobe. Shaq's size and power would be a big problem for Hakeem in a halfcourt situation and Kobe has better 1 on 1 tools than Jordan(handles, shooting range, better shooter off the dribble)

[Brick Rick]

My money's on Shaq and Kobe. Shaq's size and power would be a big problem for Hakeem in a halfcourt situation and Kobe has better 1 on 1 tools than Jordan(handles, shooting range, better shooter off the dribble)

pretty much nailed it.

shaq will be a nightmare for hakeem in a 2 on 2.
kobe is a better one on one player than mj.

[Mr Exlax]

Shaq and anybody would probably win and I'm from Houston!

[IGotACoolStory]

Dream and anybody would probably win and I'm Jerry Buss' father!

[FreezingTsmoove]

Shaq and Kobe would win and im a heat fan

[ispin69]

J and the dream easily.
Kobe is the weak spot for sure. Choked during finals with Malone injured/Payton.
Shaq, as great and dominant as he is, would lose to The Dream.

[takai]

My money's on Shaq and Kobe. Shaq's size and power would be a big problem for Hakeem in a halfcourt situation and Kobe has better 1 on 1 tools than Jordan(handles, shooting range, better shooter off the dribble)
This.

[NumberSix]

Shaq N' Kobe

[B-Low]

Honestly I do think that the biggest deciders would be if it's half court or full court, and make-em-take-em vs. normal.

If it's halfcourt (where Shaq doesn't have to run much and can conserve his energy), and make-em, I could see 2000-2001 Shaq just scoring at will play after play. Dream completely SHITTED on Shaq when he first entered the league, but prime Shaq would be a different story I think.

[Living Being]

I think it would be a draw, and I'm a LeBron hater.

[ispin69]

Any of you guys watch the 1995 finals Shaq vs Hakeem? Even with Shaq's brut strength, Shaq didn't even bother guard Hakeem, Horace Grant had to and they suffered. They off set each other but Hakeem averaged 33pts in the playoffs vs Shaq's 25pts in that playoffs. Hakeem's post shots were unstoppable. More than out does the lob dunks to Shaq.

I love Shaq more than anyone in the NBA but even I would have to concede. I believe even Shaq would concede that Hakeem was slightly better.

I love this Open Court series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em6mdoB9p2s
Him admitting Hakeem the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_By2-Z3tOms

[General]

Jordan and the local janitor will beat Kobe + Shaq. There's a reason he's the GOAT.
:facepalm

[SuperPippen]

My money's on Shaq and Kobe. Shaq's size and power would be a big problem for Hakeem in a halfcourt situation and Kobe has better 1 on 1 tools than Jordan(handles, shooting range, better shooter off the dribble)

If it's in the half-court, I would agree with you if Kobe is hot. When he's got a hot hand, I don't think anyone can stop him, even the superior defensive combo of Hakeem and Jordan. Shaq would also get his buckets more easily than Hakeem in the post, I would think.


However, if Kobe isn't riding a hot streak, than I'm definitely going with Hakeem and Jordan. Contrary to what you said, Jordan and Kobe's shooting range and ability is about equal, although I'll give you that Kobe has slightly better handles, but Jordan's superior athleticism is more than enough to handle Kobe if Kobe isn't making those impossible shots.

[sekachu]

Who wins? All in their primes.


Kobe + Shaq

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/Timeline-Of-Kobe-Bryant.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/shaq-david-robinson.jpg

Versus

Jordan + Hakeem

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/MichaelJordanKobeBryant2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/Foster5k/hakeem-olajuwon-05.jpg




MJ and hakeem win

Skills own power = hakeem owns shaq

MJ own kobe

[KyrieTheFuture]

Well this game would be Jordan being smart enough to dump it Hakeem where he scored on every possession and then when Kobe plays he freezes out Shaq again and chucks away the game.

[jlauber]

Honestly I do think that the biggest deciders would be if it's half court or full court, and make-em-take-em vs. normal.

If it's halfcourt (where Shaq doesn't have to run much and can conserve his energy), and make-em, I could see 2000-2001 Shaq just scoring at will play after play. Dream completely SHITTED on Shaq when he first entered the league, but prime Shaq would be a different story I think.

Give me the examples. Even in the '95 Finals, when Hakeem slightly outscored Shaq, 32 ppg to 28 ppg, Hakeem averaged TEN more FGAs per game to do so. Shaq outshot Hakeem in that series, .595 to .488, while outrebounding him, outassisting him, and outpassing him. And this from a YOUNG Shaq, and against a PRIME Hakeem. Of course, very few will bring up the fact that over the course of their entire H2H's, including the '99 playoffs (when Shaq just crushed Hakeem), that Shaq had a considerable edge in almost every category.

[get these NETS]

Give me the examples. Even in the '95 Finals, when Hakeem slightly outscored Shaq, 32 ppg to 28 ppg, Hakeem averaged TEN more FGAs per game to do so. Shaq outshot Hakeem in that series, .595 to .488, while outrebounding him, outassisting him, and outpassing him. And this from a YOUNG Shaq, and against a PRIME Hakeem. Of course, very few will bring up the fact that over the course of their entire H2H's, including the '99 playoffs (when Shaq just crushed Hakeem), that Shaq had a considerable edge in almost every category.


how many points did shaq score in fourth quarters and in last 5 minutes of the games.

olajuwon had NO weaknesses as a center or basketball player in his prme

shaq was poor free throw shooter in clutch so he wasn't touching the ball in the clutch



MJ and Olajuwon....and it's not even close....without refs to bail shaq out, he ain't dominating anybody with his basic lower shoulder into you post game

[jlauber]

how many points did shaq score in fourth quarters and in last 5 minutes of the games.

olajuwon had NO weaknesses as a center or basketball player in his prme

shaq was poor free throw shooter in clutch so he wasn't touching the ball in the clutch



MJ and Olajuwon....and it's not even close....without refs to bail shaq out, he ain't dominating anybody with his basic lower shoulder into you post game

Without refs, Shaq would be steamrolling Hakeem...

Hakeem would have been HELPLESS against THIS Shaq...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew

[Arroyo8]

jordan >kobe
Hakeem>shaq
easy

[andgar923]

Speed kills.

There's no way in hell that Kobe can stay in front of MJ.

But like somebody said.... Kobe would be too busy trying to beat MJ that he'd ignore Shaq. MJ wants to win more than anything, and he's smart, so he'll keep feeding the ball to Hakeem all game if he has to.

[ihoopallday]

I'll go with Shaq and Kobe in a best of 7 against Jordan and Hakeem. It'll be 4-3

[Freedom Kid7]

I'd have to give it to the Hakeem-Jordan combo. Sure, Shaq could possibly beat Hakeem, but Jordan would torch Kobe up, and if he felt more defensive pressure a la Shaq, then he'd pass to Hakeem. You'd need to double team Hakeem as well, but can't. You may need to double team Shaq but you don't necessarily need to double team Kobe.

Advantage Hakeem-Jordan

[Remix]

In a ten game series this is 5 to 5.

Whoever said Kobe would be too busy focusing on scoring to play defense is an idiot. Lmao dumbfcuk. Probably as close of a game as ever, even if it was Hakeem + Kobe vs Shaq + MJ. (then probably favored towards Shaq)

[gin17]

it's funny how this is heavily dependent on the centers, despite the gap in the skills of each team's respective guards

[eliteballer]

If it's in the half-court, I would agree with you if Kobe is hot. When he's got a hot hand, I don't think anyone can stop him, even the superior defensive combo of Hakeem and Jordan. Shaq would also get his buckets more easily than Hakeem in the post, I would think.


However, if Kobe isn't riding a hot streak, than I'm definitely going with Hakeem and Jordan. Contrary to what you said, Jordan and Kobe's shooting range and ability is about equal, although I'll give you that Kobe has slightly better handles, but Jordan's superior athleticism is more than enough to handle Kobe if Kobe isn't making those impossible shots.

What? They're shooting range isnt even close to equal :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idBaZWbH1qQ

Meanwhile Jordan is shooting 29% from the real 3 line for his career.

Even if you think Jordan is a better athlete it's not like it's him vs Jose Calderon. Theres not enough of a difference for it to matter.

[DTreats]

I'd lean Kobe/Shaq since they have chemistry playing together.

[andgar923]

Do people not understand the fact that Hakeem can take Shaq from anywhere just inside the 3pt line?

He can post him up AND take him outside if needed. Who's gonna be deadlier to stop on a pick and roll? and Hakeem is smart and fast enough to recover from a Shaq and Kobe pick and roll, is Shaq able to defend the pick and roll? Seriously doubt it since that was his biggest weakness on defense, specially vs somebody as versatile and good as Hakeem.

Mj would keep running the same play over and over and over and over if it's working.

Fools actually think Shaq and Kobe would win a series :roll: :roll:

Kobe would be shooting contested jumpers all game, while Mj would be driving to the cup getting either layups or close shots in the paint.

Idiots

[jlauber]

Do people not understand the fact that Hakeem can take Shaq from anywhere just inside the 3pt line?

He can post him up AND take him outside if needed. Who's gonna be deadlier to stop on a pick and roll? and Hakeem is smart and fast enough to recover from a Shaq and Kobe pick and roll, is Shaq able to defend the pick and roll? Seriously doubt it since that was his biggest weakness on defense, specially vs somebody as versatile and good as Hakeem.

Mj would keep running the same play over and over and over and over if it's working.

Fools actually think Shaq and Kobe would win a series :roll: :roll:

Kobe would be shooting contested jumpers all game, while Mj would be driving to the cup getting either layups or close shots in the paint.

Idiots

Interesting... this supposedly better Hakeem got DRILLED by Shaq in their career H2H's...including the post-season...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=onealsh01

The REALITY was...Shaq just ABUSED Hakeem in their career matchups. AND, overall in their careers, Shaq was easily the better player.

MJ would have had to badly outplay Kobe for his team were to have any chance of a win.

[Remix]

I wonder if people realize Kobe thrives in 1 on 1... almost impossible to guard him.

[jlauber]

In their 28 total H2H games, ...

Shaq outrebounded Hakeem, 20-7-1
Shaq outscored Hakeem, 16-11-1
Shaq outshot Hakeem, 23-5

[I LUV KOBE]

Kobe and Shaq.. No one stopping Kobe...

[goldcrow]

Shaq and Kobe.

[andgar923]

In their 28 total H2H games, ...

Shaq outrebounded Hakeem, 20-7-1
Shaq outscored Hakeem, 16-11-1
Shaq outshot Hakeem, 23-5

What't the context of these stats tho?

For all you know Shaq was getting fed easy buckets, or Hakeem was busy trying to help out as he usually did. Not saying that Shaq won't get his, but those stats are vague.

Shaq has praised him repeatedly and this is SHAQ we're talking about here. He's gone out of his way to sincerely praise him time and time again without hesitation.

I still feel that a 2 on 2 setting favors Hakeem more.

He can take him outside all day long.

Shaq would need to get the ball on certain spots on the floor in order to be effective, you think Mj would make it easy for Kobe to do that? do you think Kobe would be patient enough to do that on a consistent basis?

All MJ has to do is give Hakeem the ball and say "get to work" on any block, from just about any distance.

[eliteballer]

Do people not understand the fact that Hakeem can take Shaq from anywhere just inside the 3pt line?

He can post him up AND take him outside if needed. Who's gonna be deadlier to stop on a pick and roll? and Hakeem is smart and fast enough to recover from a Shaq and Kobe pick and roll, is Shaq able to defend the pick and roll? Seriously doubt it since that was his biggest weakness on defense, specially vs somebody as versatile and good as Hakeem.

Mj would keep running the same play over and over and over and over if it's working.

Fools actually think Shaq and Kobe would win a series :roll: :roll:

Kobe would be shooting contested jumpers all game, while Mj would be driving to the cup getting either layups or close shots in the paint.

Idiots

You moron:oldlol: A college jerry stackhouse BEAT Jordan one on one. Scott Burrell used to take him to the limit in one on ones. Scott f*cking Burrell.

Acting like Jordan would destroy is comical, but then again it wouldnt be the first time you've been completely detached from reality.

[jlauber]

What't the context of these stats tho?

For all you know Shaq was getting fed easy buckets, or Hakeem was busy trying to help out as he usually did. Not saying that Shaq won't get his, but those stats are vague.

Shaq has praised him repeatedly and this is SHAQ we're talking about here. He's gone out of his way to sincerely praise him time and time again without hesitation.

I still feel that a 2 on 2 setting favors Hakeem more.

He can take him outside all day long.

Shaq would need to get the ball on certain spots on the floor in order to be effective, you think Mj would make it easy for Kobe to do that? do you think Kobe would be patient enough to do that on a consistent basis?

All MJ has to do is give Hakeem the ball and say "get to work" on any block, from just about any distance.

As bad as Shaq dominated Hakeem, an OLD Kareem just BURIED a young Hakeem (keep that mind when comparing Hakeem and Shaq in the '95 Finals.)

In their first TEN STRAIGHT H2H games, a 38-39 year old Kareem AVERAGED 32 ppg on... .630 shooting ...against Hakeem, including THREE games of 40+ points (with a high game of 46 points, on 21-30 shooting, and in only 37 minutes.) Overall, a 38-42 year old Kareem outscored a 23-26 year old Hakeem and outshot him by a .610 to .512 margin in their 23 H2H games (and Hakeem did not guard Kareem in the '86 WCF's BTW...at least not as the primary defender.)

[DaHeezy]

how many points did shaq score in fourth quarters and in last 5 minutes of the games.

olajuwon had NO weaknesses as a center or basketball player in his prme

shaq was poor free throw shooter in clutch so he wasn't touching the ball in the clutch



MJ and Olajuwon....and it's not even close....without refs to bail shaq out, he ain't dominating anybody with his basic lower shoulder into you post game


Are you kidding? That heavily FAVORS Shaq. There is no free throws on 2v2, which happened to be his only liability. You're not putting him on the line. If anything it'll be like Hulk, you'll make him angry, and you won't like him when he's angry.
Combine that with the fact that Kobe is the best 3-point shooter on the court, you're opening up everything in the middle for Shaq to beast.
Jordan and Hakeem wouldn't have the spacing since they both rely on mid-range.
I'll definately go with Laker combo

[tpols]

The only way teams stopped Shaq was by hard double/triple teaming him, or by fouling him.

You cant effectively double team in 2v2 especially with the other guy being a shooter, and there are no FTs.

Shaq and kobe easy.:pimp:

[Duncan21formvp]

MJ and Hakeem easily. MJ and Hakeem wouldn't lose to Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups.

[aau]

it's funny how this is heavily dependent on the centers, despite the gap in the skills of each team's respective guards

2 on 2 is a playground game

jordan's not the better playground player

[I LUV KOBE]

You moron:oldlol: A college jerry stackhouse BEAT Jordan one on one. Scott Burrell used to take him to the limit in one on ones. Scott f*cking Burrell.

Acting like Jordan would destroy is comical, but then again it wouldnt be the first time you've been completely detached from reality.
:wtf: Didnt know this shit.. His airness beaten by scrub.. :confusedshrug:

[The-Legend-24]

Kobe and Shaq, plus Kobe and Shaq actually know how to play together. :oldlol: @ Jordan stopping Kobe, dude never guarded anybody close to Kobe's level. Since he's not guarding John Starks his overrated defense will be exposed.

[PistolPete44]

Kobe and Shaq, plus Kobe and Shaq actually know how to play together. :oldlol: @ Jordan stopping Kobe, dude never guarded anybody close to Kobe's level. Since he's not guarding John Starks his overrated defense will be exposed.
stupid Kobrick stan :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nevaeh]

pretty much nailed it.

shaq will be a nightmare for hakeem in a 2 on 2.
kobe is a better one on one player than mj.

See, this is the kinda crap that keeps peeps like me on this forum. We're talking about "prime" here, and at no point in his life was Kobe as fast as prime MJ. He's blowing by Kobe and either dunking, or dishing to Hakeem for a dunk or a jumpshot. If Shaq's in the post, he's getting double teamed and kicking out to Kobe to miss, or get lucky here and there.

Shaq never intimidated Hakeem, and he wouldn't do it in this scenario. When will we ever have a "happy-Go- lucky" Thread here at ISH (props to Alpha Wolf's MS Paint Thread)? Kobe was never on MJ's Level, and never will be. Get the f@ck over it, PLEASE!!

[Rojogaqu11]

I think Shaq and Kobe would win, and I'm a DRose fan.

[Linspired]

hakeem and shaq would cancel each other.

MJ would beat Kobe.

[PickernRoller]

Lol if anyone thinks Jordan can guard Kobe with a hot hand from 3pt land. Pretty much over if that happens so it depends a lot if it's a one game scenario or several games scenario.

Fact is, both bigs are massive and can protect the paint really well and help defensively when a guard drives...

[Nevaeh]

Lol if anyone thinks Jordan can guard Kobe with a hot hand from 3'. Pretty much over if that happens so it depends a lot if it's a one game scenario or several games scenario.

Fact is, both bigs are massive and can guard the paint really well and help defensively when a guard drives...

Dude, come on now. How often does Kobe really get hot from 3? MJ will punk him, and have him looking for Refs to yell "HEY" at, with a little pressure defense.
http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

[PickernRoller]

Dude, come on now. How often does Kobe really get hot from 3? MJ will punk him, and have him looking for Refs to yell "HEY" at, with a little pressure defense.
http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif

Talking about Primes, Peak? If we're then pretty often...considering a 2vs.2 match up. This is not a 5 vs. 5 where you're considering the "best play" with a team full of scrubs and passing the ball around, "get others involved" etc. Like I said, depends on the number of games - first game could go either way. Second both will make adjustments depending on what they struggled at etc...

MJ the Goat, Kobe 2nd best SG all-time.....Shaq up there as the most dominant big all-time with Hakeem so. There are advantages and disadvantages for both teams.

[EnoughSaid]

Hakeem is a much better defender, and shot blocker than Shaq. He's also a better post player, passer, and arguably a better rebounder. MJ will absolutely SHUT DOWN Kobe anyway. So it's done and isn't even close.

[PickernRoller]

Hakeem is a much better defender, and shot blocker than Shaq. He's also a better post player, passer, and arguably a better rebounder. MJ will absolutely SHUT DOWN Kobe anyway. So it's done and isn't even close.

Shut down Kobe :lol :lol ......ignorance is bliss.

Anyway...the deciding factor of this type of match up will be decision making and which group plays to their strengths better. Also a bit of luck.

[EnoughSaid]

Are people here serious right now? MJ is one of the greatest defenders ever and was more athletic than Kobe during their primes. So it's stupid for anyone to think that MJ would struggle guarding Bryant.

[SuperPippen]

What? They're shooting range isnt even close to equal :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idBaZWbH1qQ

Meanwhile Jordan is shooting 29% from the real 3 line for his career.

Even if you think Jordan is a better athlete it's not like it's him vs Jose Calderon. Theres not enough of a difference for it to matter.

Yes, it is close to equal. We're talking peaks, not careers. MJ in '90, what many consider to be his peak season, shot 38% from 3. You're deluding yourself if you think peak Kobe has any significant advantage over peak MJ in consistent long-range shooting.

What Kobe does have is the capability to get on a hot long-range shooting streak more potent than MJ's could possibly be, due to Kobe's willingness to shoot more perimeter shots than Jordan. That, and an advantage in handles, is really the only thing that Kobe would have over Jordan.

Not to say that long-range shooting wouldn't be important in a situation like this. Shaq and Hakeem would duking it out in the low-post all game long, and it would be necessary to spread the floor. But quit acting like Kobe's shooting range is miles ahead of Jordan's, because it isn't. At all.


Try not to let your obvious biases get the better of you. For once.

[PickernRoller]

Are people here serious right now? MJ is one of the greatest defenders ever and was more athletic than Kobe during their primes. So it's stupid for anyone to think that MJ would struggle guarding Bryant.

Since when does athleticism = being a good defender? keep believing a prime MJ could shut down a prime Kobe or vice versa....goes both ways. Both can't period.

[SuperPippen]

Kobe and Shaq, plus Kobe and Shaq actually know how to play together. :oldlol: @ Jordan stopping Kobe, dude never guarded anybody close to Kobe's level. Since he's not guarding John Starks his overrated defense will be exposed.

Nice, Rene's back.

Nice to know that one of the more humorous Kobe stans around here has returned to grace us with his presence.

[blacknapalm]

If I had to pick a center [for an all-time best team], I would take Olajuwon. That leaves out Shaq, Patrick Ewing. It leaves out Wilt Chamberlain. It leaves out a lot of people. And the reason I would take Olajuwon is very simple: he is so versatile because of what he can give you from that position....People don't realize he was in the top seven in steals. He always made great decisions on the court. For all facets of the game, I have to give it to him.

-- Michael Jordan

[I LUV KOBE]

Kobe was the better shooter than Mike by far so when MJ try to help The Dream to guard Shaq coz Hakeem cant guard Shaq 1 on 1 thats leave Kobe wide open for instant 3.. Kobe and Shaq will win with ease easily..

[SuperPippen]

Kobe was the better shooter than Mike by far so when MJ try to help The Dream to guard Shaq coz Hakeem cant guard Shaq 1 on 1 thats leave Kobe wide open for instant 3.. Kobe and Shaq will win with ease easily..

I'm pretty sure that you are a Kobe stan parody account.

[I LUV KOBE]

I'm pretty sure that you are a Kobe stan parody account.
huh??

[The-Legend-24]

Nice, Rene's back.

Nice to know that one of the more humorous Kobe stans around here has returned to grace us with his presence.
:oldlol: I'm stating facts here, feel me? :cheers:

[Vienceslav]

Usually with these you can say either "The team with Jordan" or "The team with Shaq".
Doesn

[stolper]

LOL at people who think Jordan can guard Kobe. Let's face it. All FOUR of these guys are UNGUARDABLE in 1 on 1 situations in their prime. Jordan cannot guard Kobe and Kobe cannot guard Jordan. Shaq can't guard Hakeem and Hakeem can't guard Shaq. I think the matchup comes down to who will score the easiest (Shaq) and which team plays better together. I think Kobe and Shaq get the edge because Shaq's dominance down low will get easier baskets than Hakeem's dominance in the mid to high post. Plus Kobe has better range and is a better 3 pt shooter than Jordan. While Jordan/Hakeem will dominate the game from 8-20 feet, Shaq/Kobe will dominate from 0-5 feet and 20+ feet. Edge goes to Shaq and Kobe.

[bluechox2]

the dream

[inclinerator]

shaq and kobe, mainly because of shaq

[Soundwave]

Jordan-Hakeem all day long.

[Punpun]

The Duo who actually played together and had chemistry.

[Dragonyeuw]

:oldlol: @ Jordan stopping Kobe, dude never guarded anybody close to Kobe's level.

:facepalm The reverse is also true.

[Dragonyeuw]

Jordan cannot guard Kobe and Kobe cannot guard Jordan. Shaq can't guard Hakeem and Hakeem can't guard Shaq.

This guy gets it.

[Force]

Shaq and Jerry Stackhouse would beat Jordan and Hakeem.

Even though Jordan is the best perimeter player of all time people seriously underrate Shaq. He could not be stopped in his prime. They changed the rules because of him.

They point to the loss to the Rockets in the finals. Shaq put up better numbers than Hakeem in that series and go look up the series on youtube since the whole series is there. Shaq is doubled or tripled almost every time he touches the ball and still puts up 30 plus on over 60% for the series. When Hakeem gets the ball, he is always played one on one by either Horace or Shaq.

I have been watching the NBA since the early to mid 80's and I don't think a players reputation has ever grown as much post retirement than Hakeem. It's crazy. When he was playing, he was very good, but never anything close to the kind of problem Shaq was to the opposition. I watched Hakeem his entire career. Great player, but it's unreal how people actually think he was a greater force on the court than Shaq.

[get these NETS]

Are you kidding? That heavily FAVORS Shaq. There is no free throws on 2v2, which happened to be his only liability. You're not putting him on the line. If anything it'll be like Hulk, you'll make him angry, and you won't like him when he's angry.
Combine that with the fact that Kobe is the best 3-point shooter on the court, you're opening up everything in the middle for Shaq to beast.
Jordan and Hakeem wouldn't have the spacing since they both rely on mid-range.
I'll definately go with Laker combo

when refs allowed shaq to lower his shoulder into stationary defender..without a whistle

all of a sudden shaq is "most dominant ever" and other horse shit tags...

in playground game....you can call your own fouls....refs aren't there swallowing whistles as per david stern's order


if olajuwon spots up or camps out outside the paint...it's money all day everyday...and shaq comes out to attempt to guard him....jordan drives by kobe every single time

as far as defense....remember jordan made all nba defense with NO legit big man

both jordan and olajuwon are legitimate defensive players of the year

[Optimus Prime]

Fire up NBA 2K12 and find out...otherwise this thread is useless.

:kobe:

"Who would win in 2vs2: Manute Bol/Elmer Fudd or Hasheem Thabeet/Wile E Coyote????????????"

:facepalm

[eeeeeebro]

Sorry but there is a hack a shaq rule.....

[scandisk_]

Prime Kobe ain't stopping PRIME MJ :lol

Who cares if KB gets hot? :lol MJ could easily give the favor back by blowing by him all the time :pimp:

Lol MJ has a better chance of limiting kobe's options than kobe limiting him.

Offense: could be even, leaning towards MJ. blow blow blow

Defense: :lol


Shaq vs Dream, well that's a different story

[rule1223]

jordans restricted range is the x factor, shaq and kboe can just double hakeem and if he kicks it out theres still a chance for kobe to recover, on the other hand if tehy try to double shaq, he just throws to kobe hanging 2 feet behind the 3 point line and he just pop an easy 3. Not even a contest. Kobe and Shaq 9/10 times.

[stolper]

Geez some of you act like you've never played basketball before. The following is true in basketball:

1) Good offense beats good defense.
2) Fewer players on the court and/or a larger court favors offense.

At the NBA level, almost everybody is unguardable in 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 situations. I don't think Jordan or Kobe can even guard Mario Chalmers in a 2 on 2 game.

The advantage would go to whichever team gets the ball first. Kobe/Shaq will probably win because I like Kobe's chances when shooting for ball, either do or die or tops.

[hkfosho]

easily jordan and hakeem

[Mr. Jabbar]

If you understand 2 on 2 game mechanics you will understand kobe-shaq would tear them appart.

[Dragonyeuw]

jordans restricted range is the x factor, shaq and kboe can just double hakeem and if he kicks it out theres still a chan

The hell? Jordan may not be as prolific as Kobe from beyond 20 feet, but restricted range? :facepalm

[CeltsGarlic]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

The next one obv.

[RaininTwos]

I'll take the two who have a history of winning championships together.

[The Iron Fist]

When Kobe and Shaq are winning titles together, all we hear is "Shaq is the most dominant everrrrrr! He carried Kobe"


Suddenly, in a 2 on 2 fantasy matchup, nobody mentions it and the Laker duo gets slaughtered.
:roll:

[BurrowsTheGreat]

I think Shaq is decider here.. His size in a 2 on 2 is too dominate...

Kobe+Shaq for the win...

[jayfan]

Interesting... this supposedly better Hakeem got DRILLED by Shaq in their career H2H's...including the post-season...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=onealsh01

The REALITY was...Shaq just ABUSED Hakeem in their career matchups. AND, overall in their careers, Shaq was easily the better player.

MJ would have had to badly outplay Kobe for his team were to have any chance of a win.


Dumbest thing I've read in a long time. :hammerhead:

[willds09]

in their primes it wud be hakeem and mj:cheers:

[Foster5k]

Looks like Jordan read my topic and agreed him and Hakeem would beat any other combo.

Give me props for seeing into the future with this thread. :D