Michael Johnson Documentary-Survival Of The Fastest

[Vragrant]

Michael Johnson looks to see if slavery historically influenced athleticism in black people from America to the Carribean. Theres' always been the elephant in the room that slavery influenced natural selection and consequently produced more of the elite athletes we see today.

link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnMr-IW_iw

[franchise#3]

Nice documentary. He seems like a nice guy.

[-p.tiddy-]

I really hate how this is some hush hush taboo subject...I'm glad Johnson is bringing it to light because anytime a white man does he gets viewed as a racist

YES, OF COURSE SELECTIVE SLAVE BREEDING MADE AFRICAN AMERICANS MORE ATHLETIC!...DUH

African Americans are like 10x more athletic than freakin Africans are!!! lol

why do we try to pretend it didn't happen?



It was one of my close black friends that pointed this out to me in high school, the slave breeding business was so huge back in the day, it was an enormous piece of the economy, but this piece of US history is just left out of class rooms, no one likes to talk about it.

[Punpun]

Nonsense. Afro-americans aren't more athletic than Africans. THey may have more fast-twitchign fiber in their muscle. But that's it. That only means they are better for sprinting.

[-p.tiddy-]

Nonsense. Afro-americans aren't more athletic than Africans. THey may have more fast-twitchign fiber in their muscle. But that's it. That only means they are better for sprinting.
African Americans are much bigger, stronger, faster, etc on average than Africans...because they were bred that way...look it up, or just listen to Michael

[Ketchup]

Let me give you a quick rundown so you don't have to watch the documentary if you don't want to.

Yes. Yes it did influence it.

[step_back]

Nonsense. Afro-americans aren't more athletic than Africans. THey may have more fast-twitchign fiber in their muscle. But that's it. That only means they are better for sprinting.

The point Johnson was trying to make was why are Afro-Americans so dominant at explosive sports. The answer was years and years of the strongest gene pool breeding which led to cream of the crop athletic ability.

In a nut shell they are more powerful and dominant physically.

P.S Great documentary.

[martycrane]

U R ALL RACiST

[verylegit]

he use to be my hero growing up as a child.

[Brunch@Five]

the fact that african-americans are more athletic than africans on average may also have to do with nutrition...

[Cherry Picker]

Good Eddie Murphy documentary :cheers:

[cavEman2]

I don't understand why people find this so hard to believe. It's really a fascinating and evident example of "natural selection". Only capable and fit slaves were first chosen, then the weaker ones died off before they even reached the slave coast, and then more died on the ships, and later on the plantations. I cant speak for other aspects such as intelligence, but only the fittest survived. They even touch upon why the fastest seem to come from Jamaica. Please just watch the whole documentary before talking shieet and making your own assumptions. Someone took the time to look for answers. Good documentary, finally bringing light to a taboo subject.

[JtotheIzzo]

I really hate how this is some hush hush taboo subject...I'm glad Johnson is bringing it to light because anytime a white man does he gets viewed as a racist

YES, OF COURSE SELECTIVE SLAVE BREEDING MADE AFRICAN AMERICANS MORE ATHLETIC!...DUH

African Americans are like 10x more athletic than freakin Africans are!!! lol

why do we try to pretend it didn't happen?



It was one of my close black friends that pointed this out to me in high school, the slave breeding business was so huge back in the day, it was an enormous piece of the economy, but this piece of US history is just left out of class rooms, no one likes to talk about it.

Selective breeding can only work to a certain degree, I think the survival of the fittest argument holds more water as the first few generations had conditions so rough that only the strongest would make it. This is not so much to do with strength, but more with having a strong constitution (one thing we need to consider is that surviving Africans staved off disease and a host of other issues without proper medical care).

Strength, jumping and sprinting are more a result of environment than selective 'breeding'. To use the African comparison, Masai tribesmen can jump higher than most black Americans, because their culture allows this. Kenyans and Ethiopians are much better distance runners, because their environment allows this. To go further, Scandinavians are 'stronger' than other people (dominating strongman competitions) because their culture values that sport.

Up until the last 20 or 30 years the USA was the only country that truly gave a flying f*ck about basketball or football, which is why we saw utter dominance in both sports from Americans. Black people often saw sport as a way to compete on a level playing fields with whites, a way out of poverty, so they took to it in droves. THE CULTURE VALUED IT. The way basketball is played in urban milieu is athletically oriented, therefore the products of this environment will be extremely athletic.

Nowadays we see whites (Joe Alexander) and Europeans entering the professional ranks with insane athleticism.

There is some merit to your argument, but it fails in far too many others, it is a facile analogy that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

[Velocirap31]

Donovan Bailey was better.

[Scholar]

I thought this was known fact, but I suppose it's understandable why not too many people are familiar with this truth. It's taboo.

Why is it taboo?

I don't know. I guess it's difficult to speak on historical ideas, observations, and facts when it involves any form of slavery.

[Meticode]

I cried slightly when they started about people be transported over in ships like that. I cannot imagine having your dignity taken away from you and the only thing you're trying to do is breath and live on, but to live on for what? I guess the sun shining on your face, being forced to do acts against your will is better than no sun at all.

[Punpun]

The point Johnson was trying to make was why are Afro-Americans so dominant at explosive sports. The answer was years and years of the strongest gene pool breeding which led to cream of the crop athletic ability.

In a nut shell they are more powerful and dominant physically.

P.S Great documentary.

Again, NONSENSE. They aren't more athletic in general. Nobody come close to Kenyans in long distance running and halfcourt running.

It just means, they are more suited for Sprinting. That's all.

[Meticode]

Again, NONSENSE. They aren't more athletic in general. Nobody come close to Kenyans in long distance running and halfcourt running.

It just means, they are more suited for Sprinting. That's all.
Did you watch all of the documentary?

[Punpun]

Did you watch all of the documentary?

What does that have to do with my point backed up with facts ?

[Meticode]

What does that have to do with my point backed up with facts ?
I was just curious if you watched it at all. I wasn't asking in regards to what you were posting.

[DuMa]

very interesting documentary. i do too hope it will provoke some more intelligent debate into the topic. the whole idea of selective breeding has always been a thought to why some of these super athletes were created.

[Meticode]

very interesting documentary. i do too hope it will provoke some more intelligent debate into the topic. the whole idea of selective breeding has always been a thought to why some of these super athletes were created.
I don't know why people are so against it. When they brought it up on one of the ESPN shows Michael Wilbon basically said "What about hard-work and effort? I lean more towards that." He totally downplayed the issue without giving it much thought from the looks of it...

I don't know why it seems so outlandish.

Don't get me wrong, effort, hard work, health will all play a part in your success. But if slave owners had athletic men rape athletic women to have a greater chance to producing a child that was athletic so they could make more money in slave trading wouldn't that effect the children down the line in what traits they have?

Slave owners bred these men and women like you would cattle.

[-p.tiddy-]

Selective breeding can only work to a certain degree, I think the survival of the fittest argument holds more water as the first few generations had conditions so rough that only the strongest would make it. This is not so much to do with strength, but more with having a strong constitution (one thing we need to consider is that surviving Africans staved off disease and a host of other issues without proper medical care).

Strength, jumping and sprinting are more a result of environment than selective 'breeding'. To use the African comparison, Masai tribesmen can jump higher than most black Americans, because their culture allows this. Kenyans and Ethiopians are much better distance runners, because their environment allows this. To go further, Scandinavians are 'stronger' than other people (dominating strongman competitions) because their culture values that sport.

Up until the last 20 or 30 years the USA was the only country that truly gave a flying f*ck about basketball or football, which is why we saw utter dominance in both sports from Americans. Black people often saw sport as a way to compete on a level playing fields with whites, a way out of poverty, so they took to it in droves. THE CULTURE VALUED IT. The way basketball is played in urban milieu is athletically oriented, therefore the products of this environment will be extremely athletic.

Nowadays we see whites (Joe Alexander) and Europeans entering the professional ranks with insane athleticism.

There is some merit to your argument, but it fails in far too many others, it is a facile analogy that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

this isn't an arguement jizzo this is FACT, just google "slave breeding"

If I was able to force Shaq and Serena to have 20 children it would be an EXTREMELY effective way of producing another star athlete. No different than when owners of championship race horses charge thousands of dollars to breed with their horse.

That is what breeding farms did, if they had a slave that resembled say Shaq or Lebron you can bet your ass they wre forcing him to breed on a daily basis...weak slaves were just killed...and this was a HUGE business back then.

They were treated no different than farm animals Jizzo...infact from some stories I have read I would say worse than farm animals.

[-p.tiddy-]

African Americans make up around 12% of the US population...a true minority...yet they are the overwhelming majority of preofessional sports played here minus hockey and golf.

they make up damn near every HB, CB, and WR in the NFL...the positions that require extreme amounts of athletisism

[Meticode]

African Americans make up around 12% of the US population...a true minority...yet they are the overwhelming majority of preofessional sports played here minus hockey and golf.

they make up damn near every HB, CB, and WR in the NFL...the positions that require extreme amounts of athletisism
No offense, but I think we knew this already.

[Punpun]

If I was able to force Shaq and Serena to have 20 children it would be an EXTREMELY effective way of producing another star athlete. N.

Chinese did it. They got YAO MING as a result.

[-p.tiddy-]

No offense, but I think we knew this already.
I think there are a lot of people that don't realize they are only 12% of the population...or don't really think of it like that, when you put it into a numbers perspective it seems more shocking to me that they are the vast majority in many sports.

[Meticode]

I think there are a lot of people that don't realize they are only 12% of the population...or don't really think of it like that
Well, those people are extremely ignorant then. Even with me I lived in a predominately African American neighborhood until I was 19. Me being a minority there didn't skew my views that African Americans are a minority in this country. It's so painfully obvious.

[-p.tiddy-]

Well, those people are extremely ignorant then. Even with me I lived in a predominately African American neighborhood until I was 19. Me being a minority there didn't skew my views that African Americans are a minority in this country. It's so painfully obvious.
the fact that they are minorities is obvious, I am just saying I don't think everyone understands it is as low as 12%

[step_back]

Again, NONSENSE. They aren't more athletic in general. Nobody come close to Kenyans in long distance running and halfcourt running.

It just means, they are more suited for Sprinting. That's all.

EXPLOSIVE SPORTS

The documentary had nothing to do with marathon running. My guess is you didn't even watch it.

[Dictator]

:facepalm :facepalm

[Punpun]

EXPLOSIVE SPORTS

The documentary had nothing to do with marathon running. My guess is you didn't even watch it.

Nonsense, I was answering to someone claiming that afro-american were more athletic than Africans. Which is nonsense. The top of the crop are Better in explosive sport, thus more athletic in those sports ? Okay. I can accept that claim. Not that nonsensical nonsense the guy I quoted wrote.

You just got schooled.

[step_back]

Nonsense, I was answering to someone claiming that afro-american were more athletic than Africans. Which is nonsense. The top of the crop are Better in explosive sport, thus more athletic in those sports ? Okay. I can accept that claim. Not that nonsensical nonsense the guy I quoted wrote.

You just got schooled.

You quoted my post and answered it. If you were responding to some other person quote them. The documentary has nothing to do with marathon running.

You need to get your facts straight. You schooled yourself.

[Punpun]

You aren't P-diddy. P-diddy is the sole guy I talked to. Go back to first page. Shooling continues. Stop coming, I could get my Prof. license revoked for kicking you too much in the ass.

:yaohappy:

[PleezeBelieve]

So you all really want to act like selective breeding is the reason African Americans are superior to whites?

lol

Blacks are superior to whites across the board... period. Besides being proven from a athletic point of view, blacks don't kill, steal, cheat, and lie like the Caucasian race has done through out the history of humanity.

Now call that taboo.

[Velocirap31]

So you all really want to act like selective breeding is the reason African Americans are superior to whites?

lol

Blacks are superior to whites across the board... period. Besides being proven from a athletic point of view, blacks don't kill, steal, cheat, and lie like the Caucasian race has done through out the history of humanity.

Now call that taboo.

:biggums:

[PleezeBelieve]

:biggums:
Whites are the most notorious killers, thieves, and cheaters among the human races.

What's so hard to understand. It's not even close.

[Velocirap31]

Whites are the most notorious killers, thieves, and cheaters among the human races.

What's so hard to understand. It's not even close.

Sounds like you're just bitter. It's like when Hitler hated the Jewish growing up because they had lots of money and he was a struggling artist. His conclusion was that they must have cheated and stole their money from people like himself. You're making excuses for why you're a poor black man and blaming others for it. Pathetic.

[PleezeBelieve]

Sounds like you're just bitter. It's like when Hitler hated the Jewish growing up because they had lots of money and he was a struggling artist. His conclusion was that they must have cheated and stole their money from people like himself. You're making excuses for why you're a poor black man and blaming others for it. Pathetic.
Your post here is the reason you, or any other white person, has no grounds to speak on racial issues. What I stated about whites is absolutely true and obvious yet you can't own it and instead look to make disparaging remarks to get at me personally.

The irony of this taking place in this thread is hilarity to me.

[Punpun]

Someone went full racist.

:yaohappy:

[Meticode]

So you all really want to act like selective breeding is the reason African Americans are superior to whites?
Not "the" reason, but "a" reason.

Another reason is hardwork and determination.

Another reason is to prove people wrong. Black athletes in American always had to go against the grain, maybe that gave them an extra push to push themselves harder? Motivation? Jesse Owens for example.

The theory is when you put a specifies under stress it tries to correct it's flaw to make it selves stronger. The example they used is elephant seals. Elephant seals were nearly extinct in the early 1900s. After almost going extinct the stronger males mated with the stronger females and they rebounded really quickly having millions and millions today and not being extinct any longer.

While the slaves weren't going extinct, but forced to have sex together, it's the same theory in terms of a strong male and female mating making stronger off-spring. While there are advantages, obviously there are disadvantages such as certain diseases of illnesses as well.

[DuMa]

lets say Hitler succeeded in making his master german aryan race. Would that group of super athletes be the top athletes today?

[PistonsFan#21]

lets say Hitler succeeded in making his master german aryan race. Would that group of super athletes be the top athletes today?
no becausee Hitler`s criteria of selection were blue eyes and blond hair...not the strongest and fastest human beings

[Noob Saibot]

Again, NONSENSE. They aren't more athletic in general. Nobody come close to Kenyans in long distance running and halfcourt running.

It just means, they are more suited for Sprinting. That's all.

The anatomy of an East African is different than that of a West African. East Africans have more endurance while West Africans are stronger and more explosive in running.

[Punpun]

The anatomy of an East African is different than that of a West African. East Africans have more endurance while West Africans are stronger and more explosive in running.

Doesn't mean they are more athletic. :yaohappy:

[-p.tiddy-]

being bigger/stronger/faster/etc are all traits of an athlete dude

now this is turning into a semantics debate on "athlete"...:facepalm

[Noob Saibot]

Doesn't mean they are more athletic. :yaohappy:

I think because those people in their respective lands aren't mixed with those from neighboring countries, also factor in poverty and famine that is plaging the cities out there. They can't get the same training unless they leave the country like Olajuwon or Mutombo did. their counterparts in the Americas were scattered all over and had to survive day and night during slavery times. So Michael Johnson's investigation is not all farfetched if you think about it.

[Punpun]

being bigger/stronger/faster/etc are all traits of an athlete dude

now this is turning into a semantics debate on "athlete"...:facepalm

Don't use words if you don't know their meanings.

[-p.tiddy-]

Don't use words if you don't know their meanings.
I know wtf an athlete is...it's Lebron James

[RaininTwos]

pun pun is so stupid:oldlol: :oldlol:

[step_back]

You aren't P-diddy. P-diddy is the sole guy I talked to. Go back to first page. Shooling continues. Stop coming, I could get my Prof. license revoked for kicking you too much in the ass.

:yaohappy:

You really like digging a hole don't you. We're discussing sprinting here and you're still banging on about endurance. What a colossal **** up you're making.:facepalm

[Timmy D for MVP]

It's a reason.

It's not the reason.

This is common sense.