Joe Paterno knew all along

[goldenryan]

I know myself and most people had their suspicions. He cared more about the football program than he did about the safety of kids :facepalm

[TylerOO]

I thought we knew that from the start. That old fcuk should be thrown in jail too

[irondarts]

I thought we knew that from the start. That old fcuk should be thrown in jail too
He died.

[TylerOO]

He died.
Holy shit I forgot. I look like an idiot but I don't care. I'm glad he's dead then

[JusBlaze]

Holy shit I forgot. I look like an idiot but I don't care. I'm glad he's dead then

I'll credit this to some golf wang hooliganism. It's alright.

[goldenryan]

http://i.qkme.me/35s3jq.jpg

[TylerOO]

http://i.qkme.me/35s3jq.jpg
:roll: :roll:

[Swaggin916]

I don't blame him. He loved that university and to see it get that kind of negative publicity would have been bad for it. But he made the wrong choice for sure. You can't let pervert wierdo crazy old ****s just run wild.

[Legend of Josh]

Joey should have done something. All he cared about was his own legacy. Boys were being rubbed on their "no no spots" and he simply looked the other way. I think I read somewhere that he actually inserted his thumb in one kid's butthole, then Sandusky licked it.

[Crown&Coke]

eff him and anyone else who enabled that sick sack of shit

he knew, and the big wigs knew that he knew, because they knew too

bring down his statue

[DuMa]

i have no words for the penn state pedo-gate

[GoRapz]

http://i.qkme.me/35s3jq.jpg

So wrong but :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jailblazers7]

I still don't get how grown men with children of their own were ok with covering this up. Just flat out blows my mind. Just goes to show you what power and the fear of losing it can do to a man's decision-making.

[LA_Showtime]

I still don't get how grown men with children of their own were ok with covering this up. Just flat out blows my mind. Just goes to show you what power and the fear of losing it can do to a man's decision-making.

It makes sense really. After the first guy keeps quiet it gets harder and harder to speak up. Factor in the stigma from being employed in that type of environment, even if you didn't do shit, and that's what happens.

[QUIZZLE]

This was all over Sportscenter over four months ago when I left to study abroad and here it is again. Broken record. Paterno's dead. Sandusky's getting anally pummeled by a horny man in for murder.


NEXT.

[QUIZZLE]

Pretty sure he's not in with general population.

I'm pretty sure you're right but I can at least be hopeful.

[Godzuki]

i still don't get kids, even that young, going along with it :wtf: i don't care how many gifts some old man gives me, no way he's molesting me, thats nasty. i mean i can't exactly remember how i was when i was 8 yrs old, but goddamnit i'd swear i'd run my ass off to the nearest adult and tell them what he tried if that ever occurred :mad: and kids up to 17? wtf is up with that shit? :facepalm not like you don't have common sense at 17...

the irony of all this with paterno is he kept trying to convince everyone its not a mark on penn state, how its not related to the school at all, like that was his last dying wish and now he's one of the main culprits being blamed for ruining penn states rep, which seems to have taken a huuuge nosedive based on this investigation.

[Lamar Doom]

I think I read somewhere that he actually inserted his thumb in one kid's butthole, then Sandusky licked it.

"I think I read somewhere..."

Unintentionally hilarious post SacB

[Zackmorris]

He died.

Maybe they should put his coffin in jail?:confusedshrug:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Pretty sure he's not in with general population.
he'll eventually get his in jail tho.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Who cares? He was in his 80s. You know how much that probably happened back in his college days?


Most of the allegations have a timeline within the past 20 years?

Either way the dude can burn in hell. Goes to show how horrible people can be, the football program was more important than lives of inoccent children.

College football is one of the most shady sports out there.

[AK47DR91]

So a guy can burn in hell by not reporting something? So that means everybody ends up in hell.
He wasn't just any guy. He was the most powerful figure in the school.

He could have stopped it all back in 1998. So yeah, he is just equally to blame as much as the serial pedo rapist who did the act.

[Legend of Josh]

"I think I read somewhere..."

Unintentionally hilarious post SacB

My e-ga.

[Dolphin]

He wasn't just any guy. He was the most powerful figure in the school.

He could have stopped it all back in 1998. So yeah, he is just equally to blame as much as the serial pedo rapist who did the act.

Ummmm...no, not telling authorities is not the same as sticking your d!ck inside a kid. I don't care how disgusted you are with Paterno.

Let's go over this again. Sandusky stuck his d!ck in multiple boys' assholes amongst other things. To say Paterno is just as bad is not insulting him, it's saying what Sandusky did was ONLY as bad as not reporting to authorities.

As for this Paterno is going to "hell" thing. If there is a "heaven" and "hell", I'd wager there are people in "heaven" who have done much worse in their lives than Paterno. Didn't one of the apostles kill multiple innocent people in his lifetime? lol Not even worth a discussion over such a silly statement (unless you believe that sort of stuff), but just food for thought.

[TheMarkMadsen]

So a guy can burn in hell by not reporting something? So that means everybody ends up in hell.


No there's a difference, i might know that my neighbor across the street ran a stop sign today, but i won't report it


However, if i know my neighbor is across the street sexually assaulting little kids on the reg against their will and i choose not to report it because i benefit from him being my neighbor for whatever reason, then yes i am in the wrong.

Joe Paterno had the power to stop multiple kids from being sexually molested and he chose not to, because it would have facked up his football team..

If there is a hell, he deserves to be there. Or re incarnated into a steaming pile of dung.

[AK47DR91]

Ummmm...no, not telling authorities is not the same as sticking your d!ck inside a kid. I don't care how disgusted you are with Paterno.

Let's go over this again. Sandusky stuck his d!ck in multiple boys' assholes amongst other things. To say Paterno is just as bad is not insulting him, it's saying what Sandusky did was ONLY as bad as not reporting to authorities.

As for this Paterno is going to "hell" thing. If there is a "heaven" and "hell", I'd wager there are people in "heaven" who have done much worse in their lives than Paterno. Didn't one of the apostles kill multiple innocent people in his lifetime? lol Not even worth a discussion over such a silly statement (unless you believe that sort of stuff), but just food for thought.
Of course, they didn't commit the same act. But Paterno still allowed it to happen for 14 plus years. He is the one who is supposed to have the moral conscience that a rapist wouldn't have. He is the enforcer who knew what's right and what's wrong.

Sick f**ks like Sandusky don't have that moral conscience or any compassion for their victims. They'll just continue to commit their crimes until they're stopped. Paterno had a chance to stop it 14 years ago.

[Legend of Josh]

Ummmm...no, not telling authorities is not the same as sticking your d!ck inside a kid. I don't care how disgusted you are with Paterno.

Let's go over this again. Sandusky stuck his d!ck in multiple boys' assholes amongst other things. To say Paterno is just as bad is not insulting him, it's saying what Sandusky did was ONLY as bad as not reporting to authorities.

As for this Paterno is going to "hell" thing. If there is a "heaven" and "hell", I'd wager there are people in "heaven" who have done much worse in their lives than Paterno. Didn't one of the apostles kill multiple innocent people in his lifetime? lol Not even worth a discussion over such a silly statement (unless you believe that sort of stuff), but just food for thought.

You're referring to Paul - however the dude did somewhat rectify his situation, did a total 180 and flipped the script; instead of attempting to bury Christianity he used his entire life and existence promoting and witnessing for Christ. It's a rather perplexing story if you really dig deep enough.

Bottom line - if God can forgive Paul not to mention forever solidifying his own personal legacy by having his name and writings in much of the New Testament ... safe to say God can, will and does forgive all.

[niko]

Was OP in a coma for a few months?

[Godzuki]

He wasn't just any guy. He was the most powerful figure in the school.

He could have stopped it all back in 1998. So yeah, he is just equally to blame as much as the serial pedo rapist who did the act.


this stupid idiot :facepalm

[Remix]

Hard to say what I would have done if I were Paterno. On one hand, you could report it immediately and save future attacks. And on the other, you destroy the name of a college football teams reputation, and would still probably lose your job. People would probably think he knew the entire time no matter how soon it was reported.

I understand why some people would not want to report it, but it's still messed up as fck to allow that sht to happen.

[LikeABosh]

**** him. He cared more about his precious legacy and football team than all those children being molested by Sandusky. Glad he's dead.

[GOBB]

i still don't get kids, even that young, going along with it :wtf: i don't care how many gifts some old man gives me, no way he's molesting me, thats nasty. i mean i can't exactly remember how i was when i was 8 yrs old, but goddamnit i'd swear i'd run my ass off to the nearest adult and tell them what he tried if that ever occurred :mad: and kids up to 17? wtf is up with that shit? :facepalm not like you don't have common sense at 17...

the irony of all this with paterno is he kept trying to convince everyone its not a mark on penn state, how its not related to the school at all, like that was his last dying wish and now he's one of the main culprits being blamed for ruining penn states rep, which seems to have taken a huuuge nosedive based on this investigation.

I love how you say kids at 17 should have common sense. You obviously lack that. The kids that were violated were apart of the Second Mile group which is what you moron? Do yourself a favor and research what Second Mile was all about. The fact you overlooked this and are sitting here questioning how kids could have been taken advantage of is hilarious. Got damn you're dumb.

You do realize its not hard to take advantage of troubled youths right? Of course, you have common sense GodDamnIdiot :rolleyes:

And dont reply with your typical response "shtup fgt old mailman living at home in mama basement collecting welfare and has a job in syria because u lost out on the milk man jobs".

Speaking of common sense. You're the same idiot who thinks someone working at a post office has a job licking envelopes. When was that ever a job? You're the same idiot who thinks there is a milk man in every neighborhood like we live in Leave it to Beaver era. Why dont you take a cell phone picture of your milk man GodDamnIdiot? Got damn you're so stupid kid.

[B]

I love how you say kids at 17 should have common sense. You obviously lack that. The kids that were violated were apart of the Second Mile group which is what you moron? Do yourself a favor and research what Second Mile was all about. The fact you overlooked this and are sitting here questioning how kids could have been taken advantage of is hilarious. Got damn you're dumb.

You do realize its not hard to take advantage of troubled youths right? Of course, you have common sense GodDamnIdiot :rolleyes:

And dont reply with your typical response "shtup fgt old mailman living at home in mama basement collecting welfare and has a job in syria because u lost out on the milk man jobs".

Speaking of common sense. You're the same idiot who thinks someone working at a post office has a job licking envelopes. When was that ever a job? You're the same idiot who thinks there is a milk man in every neighborhood like we live in Leave it to Beaver era. Why dont you take a cell phone picture of your milk man GodDamnIdiot? Got damn you're so stupid kid.:roll:

[GOBB]

Same guy who overdosed on marijuana and lived to tell about it. Same guy who overpaid for marijuana and his reasoning for doing so "So what, I got it like that. You guys are broke.". Yes we all go to the Dollar Store and pay $10 for an item intentionally because we got money like that. And he is going to tell us about common sense. Ok. The nerve.

[MetsPackers]

Paterno's statue had to come down. What Sandusky did is the kind of shyt tat really f's peoples lives, like creates shool shooters and other sexual predators. I imagine it also would cause severe depression, shame, and confusion. If Paterno truly knew that this guying was straight up raping little kids, then he is complete scum. Hall of fame: LOL

[dude77]

he may have dropped the ball .. didn't do enough but y'all think the whole football program should be punished like this ? 4 yr bowl ban .. take away all wins from the past 14 yrs ? that's a little overkill I think .. a few guys in coaching and upper management screwed up .. not the players and everyone else involved in preparing for and playing the games

[kentatm]

GOBB shitting all over Godzuki here. :lebronamazed:

[Derka]

F*ck Joe Paterno, f*ck his legacy, f*ck his statue and f*ck his entire family for defending him like a bunch of bleating sheep. These crazy f*cks all on some bullshit about the NCAA didn't consult them when it came to the sanctions being handed down. Good. Awww, he gave $4 million to the school did he? What a f*cking saint! How about you toss whatever's left of his estate at the families that have been destroyed by the monster he allowed to roam unchecked for decades? F*ck every last one of them.

If there is a Hell, Joe Paterno is there right now getting gigantic Ohio State-colored footballs shoved up his wrinkly old, criminal asshole for eternity. Good.

[Godzuki]

I love how you say kids at 17 should have common sense. You obviously lack that. The kids that were violated were apart of the Second Mile group which is what you moron? Do yourself a favor and research what Second Mile was all about. The fact you overlooked this and are sitting here questioning how kids could have been taken advantage of is hilarious. Got damn you're dumb.

You do realize its not hard to take advantage of troubled youths right? Of course, you have common sense GodDamnIdiot :rolleyes:

And dont reply with your typical response "shtup fgt old mailman living at home in mama basement collecting welfare and has a job in syria because u lost out on the milk man jobs".

Speaking of common sense. You're the same idiot who thinks someone working at a post office has a job licking envelopes. When was that ever a job? You're the same idiot who thinks there is a milk man in every neighborhood like we live in Leave it to Beaver era. Why dont you take a cell phone picture of your milk man GodDamnIdiot? Got damn you're so stupid kid.


jesus christ you're stupid mailman :facepalm

define troubled youth. unless they're retarded they aren't clueless as to whats going on. if it were Jerry's Kids(nothing to do with Sandusky) you might have a point, but the fact that they have some issues doesn't mean they're completely oblvious as to whats going on around them. so many people like you are stupid and don't think for yourself, you think along the lines of politically correct society, where you can't ever blame a victim for being stupid, its always all on the predator. you show me a 17 year old that isn't retarded and doesn't know when he's getting molested then you might have a point, but i bet you can't. so lets say you want to play the 'he was tricked card'....so a 60+ year old man giving you video games and candy when Gobbs was 17 could've fukked you in the ass? oh my bad it starts with taking showers in locker rooms where he's carressing you and touching your genitals. its tricky, right?

this is why you'll always be looking for a job. you're too stupid to do anything but lick envelopes and mod internet forums.

[niko]

I think people are under the impression Paterno just didn't report Sandusky, that one time and that was it. He not only didn't report him, kept him around, helped him set up his charity, saw him bringing little boys to road trips, let him be on campus with access to the young men, etc. For a period covering ten years or more. ANd that is assuming prior to the 1998 incident Paterno did nothing.

He not only covered up the incident, he basically created an enviornment incidents could keep occuring, which he could care less about as long as it did not track back to him or the school.

[Godzuki]

GOBB shitting all over Godzuki here. :lebronamazed:


this has been high horse fgt cheerleading Gobbs just like back in the day :facepalm

coattail riders never change, still cheerleading and following others i see, weak ass mf'er :rolleyes:

[Godzuki]

I think people are under the impression Paterno just didn't report Sandusky, that one time and that was it. He not only didn't report him, kept him around, helped him set up his charity, saw him bringing little boys to road trips, let him be on campus with access to the young men, etc. For a period covering ten years or more. ANd that is assuming prior to the 1998 incident Paterno did nothing.

He not only covered up the incident, he basically created an enviornment incidents could keep occuring, which he could care less about as long as it did not track back to him or the school.

i don't think its that black and white. i think they may have turned a blind eye and kept it business as usual, maybe even had a talk with SAndusky at some point, but i don't think they're as guilty for knowing exactly most or everything of what Sandusky actually did. the public and media are making them the scapegoats, and they deserve a lot of it, but not to the extent some people are throwing blame on them imo.

[mlh1981]

I have nothing new to add to the topic that hasn't already been said time and time again, but has there been a greater fall from grace than what has happened here? He literally went from being the grandfather of college football, a man that everyone loved....to this.

[Godzuki]

I have nothing new to add to the topic that hasn't already been said time and time again, but has there been a greater fall from grace than what has happened here? He literally went from being the grandfather of college football, a man that everyone loved....to this.


every time i think about him i think of how much he fell so quickly. ever since the Freeh Report this whole scandal has taken a turn towards blaming Paterno and the senior leadership directly for the molestations on a dime. Once that came out its changed the scope of everything, where as previously Paterno was still looked at as a Penn State hero, and not really so directly blamed, if anything outside of the scandal and still respected. Now he's being mentioned with the same culpability as Sandusky, if not getting more heat. his whole legacy has been ruined and his name is now synonymous with Sandusky and the molestations as if he took part in them. with the NCAA punishments, and the school removing many of his remembrances its unbelievable how much he's fallen in such a short time, blows my mind how fast public opinions changed.

[niko]

i don't think its that black and white. i think they may have turned a blind eye and kept it business as usual, maybe even had a talk with SAndusky at some point, but i don't think they're as guilty for knowing exactly most or everything of what Sandusky actually did. the public and media are making them the scapegoats, and they deserve a lot of it, but not to the extent some people are throwing blame on them imo.

in 1998 Sandusky quit and was allowed to stay on the Penn State campus the whole time, right next to Paterno. His office was next to Paterno. Paterno knew every single thing that happened on that campus always.

Don't take this as an insult, but you really should read up on Paterno at Penn State, not this scandal but him and the power he wielded, the situations when his players got in trouble, etc. He knew all, saw all. But this, somehow he not only did not understand what was going on (although all accounts portray him as extremely smart) but he failed to hear or see anything the entire time.

It makes no sense. Paterno knew all, saw all, controlled all, and if something escaped him he made sure to put it under him.

I know people say where there is smoke there is fire, but this is more like where there's a raging inferno there is fire. If he is innocent, than not only does it contradict all the information that came out, it contradicts the man he was pre scandal, and the situation that existed at the school pre and post scanadal.

Paterno was Penn State. Which is why this is all so disgusting.

[JMT]

he may have dropped the ball .. didn't do enough but y'all think the whole football program should be punished like this ? 4 yr bowl ban .. take away all wins from the past 14 yrs ? that's a little overkill I think .. a few guys in coaching and upper management screwed up .. not the players and everyone else involved in preparing for and playing the games

The university president, along with other high ranking members of the staff, and the man who ran the football program were all involved. They are employees of the university. The university is culpable. The argument some are making that "those guys are gone and punished" makes no sense. Should Enron have escaped financial punishment because some high ranking officials resigned?

You have to punish the university for allowing the football coach to have so much power that his bosses decide not to report criminal activity because he said so. And the only thing that hurts a giant money machine like Penn State is to hit them where they live: their wallet. And in the economic climate facing university's today, that wallet id tied to athletics, especially football.

Vacating wins is a pointless exercise; the dumbest thing ever invented. But in this case they did it specifically so Paterno's name will not be among the winningest coaches for much longer. It in no way hurts current or former players. They know who won the games. But the $$$ generated from bowl games, BCS participation etc is where the penalties have to come from. Also, expect the Big 10 to announce sanctions of their own, including a loss of conference tv revenues.

Football players can transfer, as can any student if they think the financial penalties are going to alter the quality of their education/athletic experience.

[Godzuki]

in 1998 Sandusky quit and was allowed to stay on the Penn State campus the whole time, right next to Paterno. His office was next to Paterno. Paterno knew every single thing that happened on that campus always.

Don't take this as an insult, but you really should read up on Paterno at Penn State, not this scandal but him and the power he wielded, the situations when his players got in trouble, etc. He knew all, saw all. But this, somehow he not only did not understand what was going on (although all accounts portray him as extremely smart) but he failed to hear or see anything the entire time.

It makes no sense. Paterno knew all, saw all, controlled all, and if something escaped him he made sure to put it under him.

I know people say where there is smoke there is fire, but this is more like where there's a raging inferno there is fire. If he is innocent, than not only does it contradict all the information that came out, it contradicts the man he was pre scandal, and the situation that existed at the school pre and post scanadal.

Paterno was Penn State. Which is why this is all so disgusting.

i definitely don't think he's innocent. i think he had suspicions but i just have a hard time believing he knew as much as many are blaming him for knowing. i mean i think he might have known about maybe a few incidents somewhat but not everything we know now. everything we know now are from full blown investigations, victim testimonies, and witnesses saying things they were scared to say before, which probably means it never got back around to the Penn State hierarchy. I emphasize i don't think any of them are completely innocent especially when they were the only ones with the power to have stopped it, but it just seems like one of those times where everyone wants to lynch based on assumptions of the worst at the height of the outrage.

its really crazy to me more than anything how quickly the focus has changed to Paterno and the University hierarchy ever since that report, and how quickly and far they're falling. i'd hate to be the other 3? Penn State officials who are supposedly going to be tried, Paterno got out easy.

[JMT]

i definitely don't think he's innocent. i think he had suspicions but i just have a hard time believing he knew as much as many are blaming him for knowing. .

He was told point blank what McQueary saw in the shower. According to emails in the Freeh Report, he was aware of both criminal investigations of Sandusky's behavior. He abruptly stopped supporting the Second Mile Foundation when he began to learn the depth of the problem, yet did nothing to ban Sandusky from campus and football related activities. He lied to a grand jury and, if alive, would be facing charges of perjury at the least right now.

It wasn't suspicions. He had facts reported to him, and he explicitly convinced his higher ups not to pursue the criminal charges they wanted to have filed.

It's not supposition. It's documented.

Sandusky's the villian, and he's being dealt with by the legal system. Paterno was among his accomplices by allowing the behavior to continue. That's why the shift in attention. All that remains for Sandusky is sentencing. The others are trying to escape prosecution by resigning. In Paterno's case, his death exempts him from further punishment, not further scrutiny and responsibility.

[Godzuki]

He was told point blank what McQueary saw in the shower. According to emails in the Freeh Report, he was aware of both criminal investigations of Sandusky's behavior. He abruptly stopped supporting the Second Mile Foundation when he began to learn the depth of the problem, yet did nothing to ban Sandusky from campus and football related activities. He lied to a grand jury and, if alive, would be facing charges of perjury at the least right now.

It wasn't suspicions. He had facts reported to him, and he explicitly convinced his higher ups not to pursue the criminal charges they wanted to have filed.

It's not supposition. It's documented.

Sandusky's the villian, and he's being dealt with by the legal system. Paterno was among his accomplices by allowing the behavior to continue. That's why the shift in attention. All that remains for Sandusky is sentencing. The others are trying to escape prosecution by resigning. In Paterno's case, his death exempts him from further punishment, not further scrutiny and responsibility.

i'd probgably have to read the Freeh report or what evidence it cited directly related to what Paterno knew. Theres just a lot of ways someone can hear about something someone witnessed, and how they process that. if there are emails that suggest he knew 100% with no doubt and tried to cover it up then i'd agree but i just have my doubts about that. things are always much easier to see in hindsight.

[JMT]

i'd probgably have to read the Freeh report or what evidence it cited directly related to what Paterno knew. Theres just a lot of ways someone can hear about something someone witnessed, and how they process that. if there are emails that suggest he knew 100% with no doubt and tried to cover it up then i'd agree but i just have my doubts about that. things are always much easier to see in hindsight.

Read the report. Tough to comment on a situation without knowing the facts.

[niko]

It bothers me how people are more worried about how this will affect the level of control NCAA has rather than punishing Penn State. They'd literally rather not doing anything that have a situation with the NCAA where they could disagree with their actions.

[GOBB]

Read the report. Tough to comment on a situation without knowing the facts.

That's called COMMON SENSE, something he doesn't have.

[GOBB]

define troubled youth. unless they're retarded they aren't clueless as to whats going on. .

Yes the only way a child can be taken advantage of is by being mentally retarded. :rolleyes:

[Godzuki]

That's called COMMON SENSE, something he doesn't have.


lol like your illiterate ass read the report. you're that dude Chris Rock was talking about where books are kryptonite to you, but thats why you can't find a job :oldlol:

[Godzuki]

Yes the only way a child can be taken advantage of is by being mentally retarded. :rolleyes:


17, seventeen, 10 + 7 = ????, 20-3 = ???....

sure Gobbs i get how you could've had gay sex with an old man when you were 17 and gotten taken advantage of where none of it was your fault :rolleyes:

[GOBB]

17, seventeen, 10 + 7 = ????, 20-3 = ???....

sure Gobbs i get how you could've had gay sex with an old man when you were 17 and gotten taken advantage of where none of it was your fault :rolleyes:

What are you talkin about? Are you even aware of what Sandusky did? He took advantage of boys thanks to the Second Mile foundation he helped started that helped trouble youths. Youths with no parents, no father figure, no guidance on life. Innocent kids and he was this big, dominating figure that knew exactly what to say/do to lure them into his sick fantasies. You have absolutely no clue how fragile a kids mind is and how easily it can be molded by an adult. Especially one you look up to.

But yeah you dont see how anyone can be manipulated, taken advantage of unless they are mentally retarded and run for gold in the Special Olympics. :rolleyes:

You're so f*cking ignorant, stupid and ridiculous its sad. Who raised you? Maybe your father should take time out of his busy business (auto body shop) and do a better job being a father to you. Or maybe he acknowledges you're a lost cause.

[SCY]

17, seventeen, 10 + 7 = ????, 20-3 = ???....

sure Gobbs i get how you could've had gay sex with an old man when you were 17 and gotten taken advantage of where none of it was your fault :rolleyes:

Blaming the victims? You're f*cking sick. Punch yourself in the face for me.

[jbot]

it's all a big, sad story.

i just don't understand how that coaching assistant (the red headed dude) could physically see a kid getting raped by sandusky and all he did was tell someone. he didn't bother to stop it? it could have stopped there if he just had the balls to make a bigger scene about the situation.

[GOBB]

it's all a big, sad story.

i just don't understand how that coaching assistant (the red headed dude) could physically see a kid getting raped by sandusky and all he did was tell someone. he didn't bother to stop it? it could have stopped there if he just had the balls to make a bigger scene about the situation.

I can understand how honestly. Not defending him or giving what he didnt do a pass. But I can definately understand why he went to coward route.

[UtahJazzFan88]

it's all a big, sad story.

i just don't understand how that coaching assistant (the red headed dude) could physically see a kid getting raped by sandusky and all he did was tell someone. he didn't bother to stop it? it could have stopped there if he just had the balls to make a bigger scene about the situation.

People don't want to get fired, etc. There was janitors in 2001 that seen the same thing as McQueary (the redhead), but said they couldn't report it because they thought they would lose their job because Paterno was the biggest person at the school.

[Godzuki]

Blaming the victims? You're f*cking sick. Punch yourself in the face for me.


i'm just a realist, and not brainwashed by politically correct society where every victim can never be at fault for anything. idc what kind of excuse you want to make, if you're 17 getting molested, you have some culpability in the act.

logic > emotions

[GOBB]

People don't want to get fired, etc. There was janitors in 2001 that seen the same thing as McQueary (the redhead), but said they couldn't report it because they thought they would lose their job because Paterno was the biggest person at the school.


People don't want to get fired, etc. There was janitors in 2001 that seen the same thing as McQueary (the redhead), but said they couldn't report it because they thought they would lose their job because Paterno was the biggest person at the school.

With McQueary its deeper than that. Sandusky is basically an extension of his family. McQueary knew Sandusky when he was crapping his diapers until that moment in the shower room. That was his dads friend. McQueary probably looked up to Sandusky given the rep/prestige PSU had. So to walk in on someone doing that was a complete shocker. I dont think he feared fired like a janitor who has no deep relationship with Sandusky

[Godzuki]

What are you talkin about? Are you even aware of what Sandusky did? He took advantage of boys thanks to the Second Mile foundation he helped started that helped trouble youths. Youths with no parents, no father figure, no guidance on life. Innocent kids and he was this big, dominating figure that knew exactly what to say/do to lure them into his sick fantasies. You have absolutely no clue how fragile a kids mind is and how easily it can be molded by an adult. Especially one you look up to.

But yeah you dont see how anyone can be manipulated, taken advantage of unless they are mentally retarded and run for gold in the Special Olympics. :rolleyes:

You're so f*cking ignorant, stupid and ridiculous its sad. Who raised you? Maybe your father should take time out of his busy business (auto body shop) and do a better job being a father to you. Or maybe he acknowledges you're a lost cause.

every time i read your posts i picture an extremely angry, bitter mailman mad at the world :oldlol:

its funny how you won't even address the age of 17 argument, but just keep talking about the 'kids' :facepalm

[DukeDelonte13]

every time i read your posts i picture an extremely angry, bitter mailman mad at the world :oldlol:

its funny how you won't even address the age of 17 argument, but just keep talking about the 'kids' :facepalm


Usually don't agree with GOBB but he is indeed right. You have no idea what abuse does to a human being. You know how often adults both men and women who are abused won't do anything to harm or endanger their abuser? They will protect them if anything. I often work with abuse victims and the psychological changes that occur as a result of the abuse are shocking. When you work with these people and you actually hear a female or young guy actually say, "yeah this guy did these things to me" and/or "I want to go forward/ I want him to be punished" you almost second guess whether or not they are telling the truth because real abuse victims more often then not just continue to enable their abusers. It's pretty sad and messed up.

[GOBB]

every time i read your posts i picture an extremely angry, bitter mailman mad at the world :oldlol:

its funny how you won't even address the age of 17 argument, but just keep talking about the 'kids' :facepalm

What 17yr old are you referring too?

[GOBB]

Usually don't agree with GOBB but he is indeed right. You have no idea what abuse does to a human being. You know how often adults both men and women who are abused won't do anything to harm or endanger their abuser? They will protect them if anything. I often work with abuse victims and the psychological changes that occur as a result of the abuse are shocking. When you work with these people and you actually hear a female or young guy actually say, "yeah this guy did these things to me" and/or "I want to go forward/ I want him to be punished" you almost second guess whether or not they are telling the truth because real abuse victims more often then not just continue to enable their abusers. It's pretty sad and messed up.

He's stupid and its sad. He thinks because you abuse a kid that when they turn 16, 17yrs old then all of a sudden it will automatically stop. He has no clue the psychological affects a predator has on kids. He cant even acknowledge what a trouble youth is. In his word there is no such thing. And the only people who can get sexually abused are handicapped people. I pray he isnt an organ donor, why would anyone want whats inside that idiot. I rather just die that live with a part of his stupidty. Holy crap this kid is lost.

[SCY]

What 17yr old are you referring too?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/18/breakdown-alleged-victims-in-sandusky-case/ As far as the victims that testified only one was 17 at the time of abuse but the abuse started when he was 12. Godzuki clearly doesn't have a clue regarding the psyche of abuse victims. The victims are the last people to blame and it clearly would take a stupid, pathetic individual like Godzuki to do so.

[GOBB]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/18/breakdown-alleged-victims-in-sandusky-case/ As far as the victims that testified only one was 17 and the abuse started when he was 12. Godzuki clearly doesn't have a clue regarding the psyche of abuse victims. The victims are the last people to blame and it clearly would take a stupid, pathetic individual like Godzuki to do so.

Agreed.

[niko]

He's stupid and its sad. He thinks because you abuse a kid that when they turn 16, 17yrs old then all of a sudden it will automatically stop. He has no clue the psychological affects a predator has on kids. He cant even acknowledge what a trouble youth is. In his word there is no such thing. And the only people who can get sexually abused are handicapped people. I pray he isnt an organ donor, why would anyone want whats inside that idiot. I rather just die that live with a part of his stupidty. Holy crap this kid is lost.
It's not relevant, he's just arguing to argue. I don't think the fact he is defending molesters and downplaying victims enters into his thinking. He just thinks I MUST WIN ARGUMENT WITH GOBB. He is having the same argument even with the context being abuse victims.

[Godzuki]

Usually don't agree with GOBB but he is indeed right. You have no idea what abuse does to a human being. You know how often adults both men and women who are abused won't do anything to harm or endanger their abuser? They will protect them if anything. I often work with abuse victims and the psychological changes that occur as a result of the abuse are shocking. When you work with these people and you actually hear a female or young guy actually say, "yeah this guy did these things to me" and/or "I want to go forward/ I want him to be punished" you almost second guess whether or not they are telling the truth because real abuse victims more often then not just continue to enable their abusers. It's pretty sad and messed up.


he would have to do a hell of a job convincing me he had no choice but to be molested. its one thing if you're raped, one thing if you're so young you don't know right from wrong, so young you're easily taken advantage of, but a 17 year old that somehow consents to sexual molestation? i'd love to know the circumstances where none of it is the victims fault.

i think in today's society there are many people who want to believe their victims, and i think in more of a few of these cases kids knew what they were doing and did it for whatever reasons. its like some of the people who accused Michael Jackson way after the fact of molesting them, namely that nerd kid from STand by Me. dude acted like the biggest Michael JAckson fan imitating and acting like him for the longest time until the molestation stuff came out, then he turned into some victim trying to garner sympathy blaming Michael Jackson for everything wrong in his life...and then after MJ died, he was back on his bandwagon again :rolleyes:

victims are people even if they're kids, and some kids know more than most people will give them credit for. of course according to society every victim is young, dumb, and naive waiting for someone to take advantage of them but its just not true. At least i'm not naive enough to believe that, or a 17 yr old doesn't know what he's doing. even most teens know wtf they're doing but whatever....they get free passes because they're victims.

[Godzuki]

It's not relevant, he's just arguing to argue. I don't think the fact he is defending molesters and downplaying victims enters into his thinking. He just thinks I MUST WIN ARGUMENT WITH GOBB. He is having the same argument even with the context being abuse victims.


no, i 100% believe to be 17 and molested is partially on the 17 yr old. i don't think he's so much of a victim more than a willing participant to some degree.

you're right i would argue with Gobbs just to argue with him generally, but in this case i 100% believe the politically incorrect statements i'm making.

and tbh i feel like most of you are talking from emotions, and not sense, in relation to what i'm saying.

[niko]

no, i 100% believe to be 17 and molested is partially on the 17 yr old. i don't think he's so much of a victim more than a willing participant to some degree.

you're right i would argue with Gobbs just to argue with him generally, but in this case i 100% believe the politically incorrect statements i'm making.
a 17 year old can be taking advantage of, especially if they have abuse in their past and the type of esteem issues it creates. You are being too obtuse, you are looking at it as if "this is me, i wouldn't have this happen, therefore it cannot happen".

It's not hard ,nor it is uncommon. And some of these kids, that he was screwing up mentally all those years, do you think they just had some ephiphany in their ****ed up lives and were ok?

[Godzuki]

a 17 year old can be taking advantage of, especially if they have abuse in their past and the type of esteem issues it creates. You are being too obtuse, you are looking at it as if "this is me, i wouldn't have this happen, therefore it cannot happen".

It's not hard ,nor it is uncommon. And some of these kids, that he was screwing up mentally all those years, do you think they just had some ephiphany in their ****ed up lives and were ok?


many kids have self esteem issues in their teens, many are or have been abused when they were young, but i still don't get how that automatically brainwashes their decision-making to willingly get abused when they're older.

i'm not even looking at it just from my standpoint but more a practical, realist standpoint, and i can't fathom how a 17 yr old kid isn't responsible for the decisions he makes. by that logic you could probably blame anything and everything horrible a 17 yr old kid has done on someone else or their childhood, but never them, no way.

at what point do you blame someones willingness to partake in an act then? when does it become their fault?

[bigdaddyfunk]

I don't blame him. He loved that university and to see it get that kind of negative publicity would have been bad for it. But he made the wrong choice for sure. You can't let pervert wierdo crazy old ****s just run wild.

Quit being a **** block, nothing wrong with seeing ya boy getting it in

:coleman:

[MetsPackers]

Ahh, Gozuki fighting the good fight again. Defending a child molester and questioning the motives of his so called "victims" aka consenting homos. Sandusky should be given a golden pimp chalice for getting it in with those kids who were clearly old enough to make their own decisions

#teamASS
#freesandusky
#molestallday
#buildjerryastatue

[Godzuki]

Ahh, Gozuki fighting the good fight again. Defending a child molester and questioning the motives of his so called "victims" aka consenting homos. Sandusky should be given a golden pimp chalice for getting it in with those kids who were clearly old enough to make their own decisions

#teamASS
#freesandusky
#molestallday
#buildjerryastatue


you said it not me....don't know about all of that but you're entitled to your opinion :confusedshrug:

[Unstoppabull]

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Sneaky Bastard lol

[Jackass18]

i'm just a realist, and not brainwashed by politically correct society where every victim can never be at fault for anything. idc what kind of excuse you want to make, if you're 17 getting molested, you have some culpability in the act.

logic > emotions

You're brainwashed by your own stupidity.

[CelticBaller]

free sandusky

revive paterno

[heyhey]

at what point do you blame someones willingness to partake in an act then? when does it become their fault?

in reality it's probably a case by case judgement, there are certainly 17 year olds more deliberate or contemplative than even 40 year olds and there are 20 year olds who still have the mindset of a child

but from a policy making perspective you just have to set a standard and I guess it's up to the people to conform to it, even though it can seem arbitrary.