ESPN: Rank the 24 players from the 1992 and 2012 team.

[Indian guy]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank/_/listId/1815/versionId/1

Rank 'em based on their level of play in '92 and '12. Don't do it based on "potential" or age or anything else.

My Rankings

1. Michael Jordan

2. David Robinson

3. Kevin Durant

4. LeBron James

5. Charles Barkley

6. Karl Malone

7. Kobe Bryant

8. Patrick Ewing

9. Chris Paul

10. Magic Johnso

11. Clyde Drexler

12. Scottie Pippen

13. Russell Westbrook

14. John Stockton

15. Kevin Love

16. Carmelo Anthony

17. Chris Mullin

18. Deron Williams

19. Blake Griffin

20. James Harden

21. Tyson Chandler

22. Christian Laettner

23. Andre Iguodala

24. Larry Bird

[DurantFor40]

Why Kevin Durant isn't at 2 is beyond me. Westbrook not top ten? :facepalm

[Nash]

1.Jordan
2.Lebron

Whatever..

[G-Funk]

Wish D12, Wade & Rose were good

[StateOfMind12]

1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Robinson
4. Durant
5. Barkley
6. Malone
7. Drexler
8. Ewing
9. Magic
10. CP3
11. Kobe
12. Pippen
13. Stockton
14. Love
15. Westbrook
16. Mullin
17. Melo
18. Deron
19. Griffin
20. Bird
21. Chandler
22. Laettner
23. Iggy
24. Harden

I kind of bullshited after Griffin and just put them in random order but I'm pretty confident in that top 18.

[Wiirdo]

1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Robinson
4. Durant
5. Barkley
6. Malone
7. Drexler
8. Ewing
9. Magic
10. CP3
11. Kobe
12. Pippen
13. Stockton
14. Love
15. Westbrook
16. Mullin
17. Melo
18. Deron
19. Griffin
20. Bird
21. Chandler
22. Laettner
23. Iggy
24. Harden

I kind of bullshited after Griffin and just put them in random order but I'm pretty confident in that top 18.

Mine is very very similar.

[28renyoy]

1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Robinson(although he would impact the game more than any today)
4. Durant
5. Malone
6. Barkley
7. Paul
8. Ewing
9. Drexler
10. Pippen


After this it's debatable. But this is the top 10 without doubt.

Magic didn't play in 91-92 by the way, which is why he's not in my top 10

[AlonzoGOAT]

1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Robinson(although he would impact the game more than any today)
4. Durant
5. Malone
6. Barkley
7. Paul
8. Ewing
9. Drexler
10. Pippen


After this it's debatable. But this is the top 10 without doubt.

Magic didn't play in 91-92 by the way, which is why he's not in my top 10

Jeff whoever hacked him let it be

[BlackVVaves]

1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Robinson
4. Durant
5. Barkley
6. Malone
7. Drexler
8. Ewing
9. Magic
10. CP3
11. Kobe
12. Pippen
13. Stockton
14. Love
15. Westbrook
16. Mullin
17. Melo
18. Deron
19. Griffin
20. Bird
21. Chandler
22. Laettner
23. Iggy
24. Harden

I kind of bullshited after Griffin and just put them in random order but I'm pretty confident in that top 18.

You honestly think Drexler was a better player than Kobe right now? I'd like to dispute Barkley and Ewing as well, but I could maybe understand the reasoning behind ranking them higher due to the bigger impact big men could have in a game than wing players. I still think if you compare player to player though, Kobe is better than Ewing.

But, Drexler? Please tell me this isn't agenda-driven at all. Drexler?

[28renyoy]

You honestly think Drexler was a better player than Kobe right now? I'd like to dispute Barkley and Ewing as well, but I could maybe understand the reasoning behind ranking them higher due to the bigger impact big men could have in a game than wing players. I still think if you compare player to player though, Kobe is better than Ewing.

But, Drexler? Please tell me this isn't agenda-driven at all. Drexler?

27/5/5 on piss poor 43% shooting and losing in the 2nd round

or

25/7/7 on 47% shooting while leading your team into the finals

hmm....

[Zedja]

27/5/5 on piss poor 43% shooting and losing in the 2nd round

or

25/7/7 on 47% shooting while leading your team into the finals

hmm....
Lol you're full of shit. Kobe>Drexler.

[DatAsh]

Lol you're full of shit. Kobe>Drexler.

Kobe >>> Drexler, but 2012 Kobe is not a better player than 1992 Drexler.

[ShaqAttack3234]

1.Jordan
2.Lebron
3.Ewing
4.Malone
5.Robinson
6.Durant
7.Paul
8.Drexler
9.Pippen
10.Kobe
11.Barkley
12.Stockton
13.Mullin
14.Westbrook
15.Melo
16.Deron
17.Bird
18.Love
19.Griffin
20.Harden
21.Chandler
22.Iggy

I'm ranking them based on the '91-'92 and '11-'12 NBA Seasons. Barkley had a down year, that was when he wanted out of Philly and his play was subpar for his standards. Just about any other year from '88-'93, he'd be top 3. Magic didn't play in the '91-'92 season, but he'd be top 3 at his '91 level. Laettner also didn't play in the NBA in the '91-'92 season, but he'd be towards the bottom anyway. Bird only played in 45 games and barely played in the playoffs, but he was still a 20/10/7 player.

Kind of tough ranking 20 years apart.

[WockaVodka]

You honestly think Drexler was a better player than Kobe right now? I'd like to dispute Barkley and Ewing as well, but I could maybe understand the reasoning behind ranking them higher due to the bigger impact big men could have in a game than wing players. I still think if you compare player to player though, Kobe is better than Ewing.

But, Drexler? Please tell me this isn't agenda-driven at all. Drexler?
I hope you understand that the rankings being made in this thread were at their current states hence why Bird is near last in all of the rankings.

[BlackVVaves]

27/5/5 on piss poor 43% shooting and losing in the 2nd round

or

25/7/7 on 47% shooting while leading your team into the finals

hmm....

Numbers can be deceiving. I watched both Drexler in the 91-92 season, and Kobe this past season, and I'd personally rank Kobe ahead of Drexler.

28/5/5 btw**

I will say though that Drexler's 91-92 season was definitely his 2nd or third best season in the NBA. Though (like Kobe's past season), it wasn't one of his most efficent seasons.

[blacknapalm]

don't even remember how i voted other than MJ/lebron being at the top. i'd honestly need more time to properly rank something like that, not like two minutes.

i feel like some are underrating barkley. didn't he lead the team in scoring? he might have had a down year but dude was a monster in the olympics. otherwise, i have no problem with most of these rankings. bird was hobbled and on his last legs but no way was he in the 20s. late teens at worst.

[BlackVVaves]

1.Jordan
2.Lebron
3.Ewing
4.Malone
5.Robinson
6.Durant
7.Paul
8.Drexler
9.Pippen
10.Kobe
11.Barkley
12.Stockton
13.Mullin
14.Westbrook
15.Melo
16.Deron
17.Bird
18.Love
19.Griffin
20.Harden
21.Chandler
22.Iggy

I'm ranking them based on the '91-'92 and '11-'12 NBA Seasons. Barkley had a down year, that was when he wanted out of Philly and his play was subpar for his standards. Just about any other year from '88-'93, he'd be top 3. Magic didn't play in the '91-'92 season, but he'd be top 3 at his '91 level. Laettner also didn't play in the NBA in the '91-'92 season, but he'd be towards the bottom anyway. Bird only played in 45 games and barely played in the playoffs, but he was still a 20/10/7 player.

Kind of tough ranking 20 years apart.

Same list for me except I'd have Pippen at #8, Kobe at #9, and Drexler at #10.

I also think Barkley should be ranked much higher, and Ewing lower.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I will say though that Drexler's 91-92 season was definitely his 2nd or third best season in the NBA. Though (like Kobe's past season), it wasn't one of his most efficent seasons.

Drexler's '92 season was definitely his best season, imo.


Same list for me except I'd have Pippen at #8, Kobe at #9, and Drexler at #10.

I also think Barkley should be ranked much higher, and Ewing lower.

Barkley typically was a better player than almost any of these players around this time, I just didn't think he played up to that standard in '92. it was easily his worst prime season('88 or '89-'93) by far.

I definitely couldn't put Barkley as high as Ewing in '92.

[RRR3]

Durant over LeBron :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Swaggin916]

All I know is that Lebron, Kobe, and Durant are better than everyone on either team except Michael. Especially considering it's international play and big guys aren't going to get the touches they need to have an impact on the game.

[scandisk_]

Man.... can only do top 5

1. MJ
2. Chuck
3. LBJ
4. Drob
5. Malone

[Linspired]

1.MJ
2.drob
3.Bron
4.Malone
5.Barkley
6.Ewing
7.Durant
8.Drexler
9.Mullin
10.Pippen
11.Kobe
12.Stockton
13.Westbrook
14.Bird
15.Love
16.CP3
17.Deron
18.Melo
19.Chandler
20.Griffin
21.Harden
22.Iggy

[Linspired]

i have no idea why, but Mullin gets no respect in ISH. maybe because he is white?

Mullin was sick between 88 to 92. dude was awesome. in that span he was basically 26/5.5/4/2stl guy with shooting well over 50%. just an efficient scoring machine.

[Linspired]

honestly i think drob-malone-barkley-bron are interchangeable. all are worthy of #2 spot.

but drob avg 4.5blk in 91-92 season. he was filthy. i put him #2 because of his freaky athleticism & defensive presence.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Melo is getting slept on... he dominates FIBA

[PyrrhusX]

1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Robinson
4. Durant
5. Barkley
6. Malone
7. Drexler
8. Ewing
9. Magic
10. CP3
11. Kobe
12. Pippen
13. Stockton
14. Love
15. Westbrook
16. Mullin
17. Melo
18. Deron
19. Griffin
20. Bird
21. Chandler
22. Laettner
23. Iggy
24. Harden

I kind of bullshited after Griffin and just put them in random order but I'm pretty confident in that top 18.

Mine is also simlilar but my hate for Melo would drop him to about 23/24.:coleman:

Otherwise, swap Love and westbrook around and also swap Kobe and CP3.

[scandisk_]

honestly i think drob-malone-barkley-bron are interchangeable. all are worthy of #2 spot.

but drob avg 4.5blk in 91-92 season. he was filthy. i put him #2 because of his freaky athleticism & defensive presence.

strongly agree

[Linspired]

Melo is getting slept on... he dominates FIBA

melo sucked in 2012 by his standard. he just wasn't himself. i would've put healthy and motivated melo over kobe, but i just couldn't.

[pauk]

Those specific years right? In that case:


1. Michael Jordan 1992
Season: 30-6-6
Playoffs: 34-6-6
MVP
FMVP
Championship
1st all-nba
1st all-defensive
PER leader season+playoffs
Best player in the world

2. Lebron James 2012
Season: 27-8-6
Playoffs: 30-10-6
MVP
FMVP
Championship
1st all-nba
1st all-defensive
PER leader season+playoffs
Best player in the world

(identical.... these two dudes were the only players on this level and a level way above than those listed here beneath them)




IF YOUR FIRST TWO PICKS ARE NOT THE ABOVE THEN YOU ARE A FOOL, SORRY




3. David Robinson 1992
Season: 23-12-5-3-2
Playoffs: Injured
1st all-nba
1st all-defensive
Best Defender in the League / Defensive Player of the Year

4. Magic Johnson 1992
Did not play that season, but i doubt he was any worse than his previous season 1991:
Season: 19-7-12
Playoffs: 22-8-13
1st all-nba

5. Karl Malone 1992
Season: 28-11-3
Playoffs: 29-11-3
1st all-nba

6. Scottie Pippen 1992
Season: 21-8-7
Playoffs: 20-9-7-3
Championship
2nd All-NBA
1st All-Defensive
Best perimeter defender

7. Clyde Drexler 1992
Season: 25-7-7
Playoffs: 26-7-7, lost finals 4-2 vs Bulls
1st All-NBA

8. Kevin Durant 2012
Season: 28-8-3
Playoffs: 29-7-4, lost finals 4-1 vs Heat
1st All-NBA

9. Kobe Bryant 2012
Season: 28-5-5 but not so efficient
Playoffs: 30-5-4 but not so efficient
1st all-nba

10. Chris Mullin 1992
Season: 26-6-4
Playoffs: 18-3-3
1st all-nba
Arguably the best SF in the NBA at that time

11. Charles Barkley 1992
Season: 23-11-4
Playoffs: Lets just say he had a bad team
He was maybe one of the 2 best producing and most efficient players in the dream team tho (if not the best producing?), so i have to have him this high..

12. Patrick Ewing 1992
Season: 24-11-3-3
Playoffs: 23-11-3-3

13. John Stockton 1992
Season: 16-3-14-3
Playoffs: 14-3-15-3
Was just about in the process of taking the torch from Magic as the best PG in the NBA and he was that for the decade.

14. Larry Bird 1992
Season: 20-10-7
Playoffs: 11-5-5
Basically crippled back, out of his prime, was just about to retire, still packed a punch tho but with limitation, but that "punch" was just enough deadly to earn him this spot above these guys downstairs.

15. Russell Westbrook 2012
Season: 24-5-6
Playoffs: 23-6-6
Best PG in the NBA?

16. Carmelo Anthony 2012
Season: 23-6-4 but not so efficient
Playoffs: 28-8-2 but not so efficient

17. Chris Paul 2012
Season: 20-3-9
Playoffs: 18-5-8
1st all-defensive

18. Kevin Love 2012
Season: 26-13-2
Playoffs: No appearance

19. Deron Williams 2012
Season: 21-3-9
Playoffs: No Appearance

20. Blake Griffin 2012
Season: 21-11-3
Playoffs: 19-7-2

21. James Harden 2012
Season: 17-4-4
Playoffs: 16-5-3
6th man of the year

22. Tyson Chandler 2012
Season: 11-10-1
Playoffs: 6-9-1
Defensive Player of the Year :rolleyes:

23. Christian Laettner 1992
Season: 18-9-3
Playoffs: No appearance
Very underrated player

24. Andre Iguodala 2012
Season: 12-6-6
Playoffs: 13-6-4

[LikeABosh]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank/_/listId/1815/versionId/1

Rank 'em based on their level of play in '92 and '12. Don't do it based on "potential" or age or anything else.

My Rankings

1. Michael Jordan

2. David Robinson

3. Kevin Durant

4. LeBron James

5. Charles Barkley

6. Karl Malone

7. Kobe Bryant

8. Patrick Ewing

9. Chris Paul

10. Magic Johnso

11. Clyde Drexler

12. Scottie Pippen

13. Russell Westbrook

14. John Stockton

15. Kevin Love

16. Carmelo Anthony

17. Chris Mullin

18. Deron Williams

19. Blake Griffin

20. James Harden

21. Tyson Chandler

22. Christian Laettner

23. Andre Iguodala

24. Larry Bird

How are Durant and Robinson over Lebron?

[I LUV KOBE]

1a. Kobe
1b. MJ

the rest wont care

[pauk]

1a. Kobe
1b. MJ

the rest wont care

Kobe: "Like Mike if i could be like Mike..."
Kobe Fans: "Like Mike if Kobe could be like Mike..."

[arifgokcen]

Actually i think in internatioinal competiton,durant is better than anyone.Nobody can even challenge his shots and 3pt line is free throw line for him

[Callystarr]

Potential in 1991-1992 Season..."IF NO INJURIES"?? Because Bird was injured but had a very good 1991-1992 Season...


1. Michael Jordan
2. Lebron James
3. David Robinson
4. Magic Johnson
5. Karl Malone
6. Charles Barkley
7. Kevin Durant
8. John Stockton (led league assists,steals...sleep on him too much, 16pts/14ast per game)
9. Clyde Drexler
10. Scottie Pippen
11. Russell Westbrook
12. Patrick Ewing
13. Kobe Bryant (43% from the field) really???
14. Chris Mullin
15. Chris Paul
16. Carmelo Anthony
17. Kevin Love
18. Deron Williams
19. Andre Igoudala
20. Blake Griffin
21. James Harden
22. Tyson Chandler
23. Christean Laettner

Larry Bird (don't know where to put him) before his injury would have been pretty high, putting up numbers better than Lebron (except scoring)

[Callystarr]

You honestly think Drexler was a better player than Kobe right now? I'd like to dispute Barkley and Ewing as well, but I could maybe understand the reasoning behind ranking them higher due to the bigger impact big men could have in a game than wing players. I still think if you compare player to player though, Kobe is better than Ewing.

But, Drexler? Please tell me this isn't agenda-driven at all. Drexler?

Next to Bird/Pippen...he was putting up the best overall numbers in the NBA

Drexler was putting up 25pts, 6reb, 6ast, 2stl's a game....that is impressive...

[triangleoffense]

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. Barkley
5. Lebron

everyone else

[Shep]

1. michael jordan
2. lebron james
3. scottie pippen
4. david robinson
5. kevin durant
6. clyde drexler
7. john stockton
8. patrick ewing
9. karl malone
10. russell westbrook
11. chris paul
12. larry bird
13. kobe bryant
14. charles barkley
15. blake griffin

[kenny817]

1.Jordan
2.Lebron

Whatever..


this^

[kenny817]

1a. Kobe
1b. MJ

the rest wont care

Kobe over Durant and Bron?

AND SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF JORDAN?

GTFO

[Redoks]

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. Barkley
5. Lebron

everyone else
:facepalm

[Nash]

Those specific years right? In that case:


1. Michael Jordan 1992
Season: 30-6-6
Playoffs: 34-6-6
MVP
FMVP
Championship
1st all-nba
1st all-defensive
PER leader season+playoffs
Best player in the world

2. Lebron James 2012
Season: 27-8-6
Playoffs: 30-10-6
MVP
FMVP
Championship
1st all-nba
1st all-defensive
PER leader season+playoffs
Best player in the world

(identical.... these two dudes were the only players on this level and a level way above than those listed here beneath them)



Thats scary similar. We all know what Jordan did with it, now lets see what Lebron can do.

[nayte]

All I know is that Lebron, Kobe, and Durant are better than everyone on either team except Michael. Especially considering it's international play and big guys aren't going to get the touches they need to have an impact on the game.

Haha.Well at least you can admit how little you know..

[Psileas]

When it comes to Magic, I don't get why some lists have him at around #10 just because he wasn't playing. I have no problem with either the notion that he should remain unranked (and so should Laettner, for the same reason) or with the idea that he'd play at around his 1991 level, which would make him, at worst, a top-4 player (whether Robinson should be ranked ahead of him is debatable, since statistically they were comparable, Robinson was a defensive beast, while Magic was a beast of a leader and clutch player - few ranked Robinson ahead of Magic in 1991).

[OldSchoolBBall]

Based on level of play during the years in question:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Barkley
4. DRob
5. Ewing
6. Karl Malone
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Drexler
9. Chris Paul
10. Magic Johnso
11. Westbrook
12. Scottie Pippen
13. Mullin
14. Bird
15. John Stockton
16. Kevin Love
17. Carmelo Anthony
18. DWill
19. Blake Griffin
20. James Harden
21. Tyson Chandler
22. Christian Laettner
23. Andre Iguodala

Bird was getting majorly disrespected. Yes, he retired that Summer but was coming off a 20/10/7/47% season, which is still good enough to put him over many players here.

[Doranku]

Based on level of play during the years in question:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Barkley
4. DRob
5. Ewing
6. Karl Malone
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Drexler
9. Chris Paul
10. Magic Johnso
11. Westbrook
12. Scottie Pippen
13. Mullin
14. Bird
15. John Stockton
16. Kevin Love
17. Carmelo Anthony
18. DWill
19. Blake Griffin
20. James Harden
21. Tyson Chandler
22. Christian Laettner
23. Andre Iguodala

Bird was getting majorly disrespected. Yes, he retired that Summer but was coming off a 20/10/7/47% season, which is still good enough to put him over many players here.

Where would you put Durant?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Where would you put Durant?

Not sure how I forgot him. Probably 4th or 5th, not lower. Definitely below Barkley/MJ/Lebron and possibly DRob.

[minkyboodle]

1.Michael Jordan

2.LeBron James

3.Charles Barkley

4.Kobe Bryant

5.Scottie Pippen

6.Magic Johnson

7.David Robinson

8.Karl Malone

9.Kevin Durant

10.Patrick Ewing

11.Chris Paul

12.Chris Mullin

13.John Stockton

14.Russell Westbrook

15.Larry Bird

16.Clyde Drexler

17.Carmelo Anthony

18.Deron Williams

19.Blake Griffin

20.Kevin Love

21.Tyson Chandler

22.Christian Laettner

23.Andre Iguodala

24.James Harden