Sources: New trade offer in works for Dwight to land in Houston

[RazorBaLade]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8162534/houston-rockets-reconstruct-trade-proposal-orlando-magic-center-dwight-howard

Its happening. sigh.

[General]

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey is feverishly trying to construct a trade that will allow the Rockets to take back, in addition to Howard, some combination of Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Hedo Turkoglu.
:eek: The Houston Magic

Poor Dwight, hope he's ready for consecutive first round exits if he extends in Houston:roll:

[Hank]

lol I told you this is exactly what would happen the moment of the scola news earlier this afternoon. It was obvious.


Only Faker laker fans were in denial and totally lost :roll:

[The Macho Man]

Poor Dwight, just wants to get away from these bums and he takes half of them with em.

[DuMa]

Sources say that the Rockets would have to send Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons to the Magic from their current roster to make the salary-cap math work, as well the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones, all selected in last month's first round.

jesus. i mean thats your entire team for orlando's entire team

dwight is not that valuable comeon now.

[Zedja]

lol I told you this is exactly what would happen the moment of the scola news earlier this afternoon. It was obvious.


Only Faker laker fans were in denial and totally lost :roll:
You're the biggest imbecile on these forums. No one likes you. Go away.

[Kews1]

jesus. i mean thats your entire team for orlando's entire team

dwight is not that valuable comeon now.

holy shit i would not trade that many players for him, especially not all their new draft picks. WTFFFF

[no pun intended]

Not keeping Parsons? Fvcking stupid. Should've kept Budinger then.

[RazorBaLade]

You can get Bynum for half that and lock him in for 5 years.

Cmon.

[d.bball.guy]

SMH, Rockets, SMH.

[Hank]

Riley >>> Kupcake Kupchak

[KDthunderup]

Get er done Morey

[All Net]

You can get Bynum for half that and lock him in for 5 years.

Cmon.

He won't sign there long term though.

[TMT]

Poor Dwight, just wants to get away from these bums and he takes half of them with em.

:oldlol: This.

Unfortunately next season some of Dwight's best teammates are probably going to be guys he was already playing with. And if Dwight decides to bolt out of town at the end of the year Houston is going to be stuck with all of Orlando's garbage. Big risk.

[RazorBaLade]

He won't sign there long term though.

Bynum has said he would look at the rockets if he hit free agency, one can only assume he would have no problem signing an extension there. He said he wants to look at cleveland rockets and some other team, but why would he leave rockets to look at cle and lose 20 mil or something as well. It wont happen.

[HylianNightmare]

good

[Kiddlovesnets]

:oldlol: This.

Unfortunately next season some of Dwight's best teammates are probably going to be guys he was already playing with. And if Dwight decides to bolt out of town at the end of the year Houston is going to be stuck with all of Orlando's garbage. Big risk.

And at the very end they are trading Dwight and Jason Richardson to Nets for Brook Lopez and Humphries.

[DuMa]

I never believed Dwight disliked his teammates or whatever, he just didnt want stay in Orlando under a very inept front office and coaching system that wanted to shoot 3s all day long. So theres a good chance he wouldnt mind playing with his ORL teammates in Houston but who knows what he wants.... the man is indecisive as a woman.

[Scoooter]

This sounds awful for the Rockets. Especially if you're giving up Parsons and all those guys they just drafted. White and Jones were definitely intriguing prospects. And they don't even have Dragic in the back court.

Dwight just isn't good enough for all that.

[KDthunderup]

He won't sign there long term though.
Theres a chance he will, Nets wont be able to afford him, he would most likely stay if he has limited options in the free agency.

[Punpun]

D12 will have fun with the 10 PF THE HOUSTON HAVE.

:yaohappy:

[TMT]

And at the very end they are trading Dwight and Jason Richardson to Nets for Brook Lopez and Humphries.

Why would the Magic want those two overpaid fools over all the young talent and picks they can get from Houston? They want to clear cap space, not take it back in the form of players who won't do them any good.

[no pun intended]

Hopefully Houston lands Brooks. I want him back.

[Hank]

Hopefully Houston lands Brooks. I want him back.

PG - J. Lin (or A. Brooks)/C. Duhon
SG - J. Richardson/Q. Richardson
SF - C. Parsons/R. White
PF - D. Montiejunas/G. Davis
C - D. Howard/O. Asik

[DuMa]

Read the articles you chumps, in order for this trade to work, offer sheets signed by Lin and Asik would have to be matched by NYK (sure bet) and Chicago (not as sure as Lin's match)

[Kiddlovesnets]

Why would the Magic want those two overpaid fools over all the young talent and picks they can get from Houston? They want to clear cap space, not take it back in the form of players who won't do them any good.

I am not talking about the Magic, I am talking about the Rockets in the midseason or next season.
:oldlol:

[Heavincent]

2nd round exit at best if they get Dwight.

[TMT]

Lin is obviously getting matched. Considering how cheap Chicago is being I doubt they pay Asik all that to be a backup though. Could be Houston's downfall.

[chazzy]

What are they surrounding Dwight with to convince him to extend there?

[RedBlackAttack]

Well, certainly the thing that we absolutely need to happen is for one of the few legitimate superstars in the NBA to leave the Eastern Conference and go to the West. I mean, for the sake of parity.

:facepalm

[TMT]

I am not talking about the Magic, I am talking about the Rockets in the midseason or next season.
:oldlol:

Sounds full proof. SIKE

[Kiddlovesnets]

What are they surrounding Dwight with to convince him to extend there?

Chris Paul in 2013?
:rolleyes:

[Heavincent]

Well, certainly the thing that we absolutely need to happen is for one of the few legitimate superstars in the NBA to leave the Eastern Conference and go to the West. I mean, for the sake of parity.

:facepalm

There has never been parity in the NBA, and there never will be.

[DuMa]

What are they surrounding Dwight with to convince him to extend there?

a coach that Dwight can see eye to eye with.

[TMT]

a coach that Dwight can see eye to eye with.

Dwight doesn't give a damn who coaches him. SVG was just annoying as hell.

He wants to play with other star players clearly.

[KDthunderup]

Read the articles you chumps, in order for this trade to work, offer sheets signed by Lin and Asik would have to be matched by NYK (sure bet) and Chicago (not as sure as Lin's match)
Bulls said they were going to match on Asik

[ProfessorMurder]

Bulls said they were going to match on Asik

Did they really? :roll:

[Hank]

2nd round exit at best if they get Dwight.

just like your LA Fakers next season,

then when the Rockets get CP3 to go witth Dwight next summer and your team is even older, the Rockets will own your sorry a$$es for years to come


and you wanted bOTH Howard and CP3 :roll:

[Zackmorris]

Bulls said they were going to match on Asik

What!? Really!? :lebronamazed:

[The Choken One]

Orlando is flat out robbing the Rockets...:lol

Magic front office has been getting blasted for all this drama...but if this trade goes through...that's an amazing deal on their behalf.

[The Choken One]

just like your LA Fakers next season,

then when the Rockets get CP3 to go witth Dwight next summer and your team is even older, the Rockets will own your sorry a$$es for years to come


and you wanted bOTH Howard and CP3 :roll:
oh....the Rockets are going to land Paul huh?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

There has never been parity in the NBA, and there never will be.
That really wasn't the point of the post. Thanks for letting me know, though.

[Zackmorris]

If this deal goes through, I have to bow down to the Magic :bowdown:

[ripthekik]

how dumb is the Rockets???

DWIGHT DONT WANT THEM!

what's the point of blowing up your team for a one year rental? And look at the team they surround him with.. do they really think they're going anywhere with Dwight and scrubs?

Then one year later Dwight bolts.. what do you have?
And you amnestied Scola :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

this org's moves over the summer is one of the worst I've seen

[TexasBloodMoney]

The Rockets have gone full-retard.

[RazorBaLade]

There has never been parity in the NBA, and there never will be.

And there won't be if these morons can't figure out a way to stop players from dictating where they will go.

[Soundwave]

I think Houston is actually dead right with this.

You cannot win anything in the NBA without a superstar player. All you're doing otherwise is just treading water, what's the point.

Period. Dwight might walk in a year. But who knows, maybe some other star player becomes available and opts to sign with them or some other bounce goes there way and they're able to acquire someone else.

Worst case, they can trade Dwight's rights somewhere else next spring.

[RazorBaLade]

I think Houston is actually dead right with this.

You cannot win anything in the NBA without a superstar player.

Period. Dwight might walk in a year. But who knows, maybe some other star player becomes available and opts to sign with them or some other bounce goes there way.

Worst case, they can trade Dwight's rights somewhere else next spring.

Except bynum is an all star too and you can have him for 5 years and keep a big part of your team and rebuilding capability.

Magic are foaming at the mouth because of the rockets retarded logic

[PickernRoller]

So when is it gonna end? All I fvcking care about.

[AirTupac]

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n163/yozmama/howardhoustonmagic.jpg

[StateOfMind12]

The last superstar Orlando traded to Houston was Tracy McGrady and Tracy McGrady was pretty much done after his 1st year in Houston. Oddly enough, both of them suffered back injuries in Orlando, Houston better hope Dwight doesn't carry that over next season or for the rest of his career.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Houston gunning for that 14th pick :rockon:

[Kiddlovesnets]

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n163/yozmama/howardhoustonmagic.jpg

lol Houston Magic.
:roll:

[Hank]

Except bynum is an all star too and you can have him for 5 years and keep a big part of your team and rebuilding capability.

Magic are foaming at the mouth because of the rockets retarded logic

if he's so good then why don't you keep him and be happy then ?

[DaSeba5]

What the hell are the Rockets doing? :biggums:

[RazorBaLade]

if he's so good then why don't you keep him and be happy then ?

Because we want to win now we dont have 2-3 years. Team msut be as best as possible NOW. obviously unliek rockets who dont need the best right now and they can be happy with potential and building the rest of the team up. howard leaving in one year is going to ruin them.

[Soundwave]

Except bynum is an all star too and you can have him for 5 years and keep a big part of your team and rebuilding capability.

Magic are foaming at the mouth because of the rockets retarded logic

Bynum is a nobody, he's not going to carry any team anywhere.

Dwight is a legit top 10 player in the league. Houston's taking their shot, can't say I blame them.

If it doesn't work out they can always tank next year. Betting on players like Scola/Martin/Bynum to lead your franchise anywhere is a dead end, I think there's way too many stupid GMs in the NBA that get enamoured with their mediocre talent. If you have a chance to land a legit superstar, you take it.

[Hank]

Because we want to win now we dont have 2-3 years. Team msut be as best as possible NOW. obviously unliek rockets who dont need the best right now and they can be happy with potential and building the rest of the team up. howard leaving in one year is going to ruin them.

well all i heard last season from laker fans is Bynum is just about as good as Howard, and even heard some say he could be better than howard pretty soon, and as early as next season.


or was all that just another case of laker fans greatly overvaluing (and overrating) their players foolishly ?

[TexasBloodMoney]

Because we want to win now we dont have 2-3 years. Team msut be as best as possible NOW. obviously unliek rockets who dont need the best right now and they can be happy with potential and building the rest of the team up. howard leaving in one year is going to ruin them.

Oh so it's okay for the lakers to go all in but not the rockets? You realize that this trade indicates that the rockets want to win NOW too, right?

Laker fans wanting Howard for Bynum proves how big the gap is between the #1 center in the league and the #2. DMC is better than Bynum if we're talking "potential #1 center".

Houston is tired of being mediocre, it's time to take a gamble. And why is everyone so sure D12 is leaving? There are no clear cut better options next year for him. Houston WILL bring in another star to make him happy if they trade for him. We dont even know what the rest of the plan is. Houston could be on to something.

[illmaticone]

This isn't official yet is it? Why is everyone acting like the deal is done?

[All Net]

well all i heard last season from laker fans is Bynum is just about as good as Howard, and even heard some say he could be better than howard pretty soon, and as early as next season.


or was all that just another case of laker fans greatly overvaluing (and overrating) their players foolishly ?

Thats simply not true, Laker fans said Bynum is closer to him or pretty close...no true Laker fans said he was better. What Dwight does defensively is a different maker and not just with blocks and rebounds. Impact Drew doesn't have.

[RazorBaLade]

Bynum is a nobody, he's not going to carry any team anywhere.

Dwight is a legit top 10 player in the league. Houston's taking their shot, can't say I blame them.

If it doesn't work out they can always tank next year. Betting on players like Scola/Martin/Bynum to lead your franchise anywhere is a dead end, I think there's way too many stupid GMs in the NBA that get enamoured with their mediocre talent. If you have a chance to land a legit superstar, you take it.

Well dwight is probably really top 5 when healthy and engaged. But yeah, bynum is about top 20 and still a little bit younger and never had the offense to himself. They can do the same with bynum though. Bynum scola martin picks and cap space is better to rebuild with than absolutely nothing or howard and the houston magic. its not about a "if it doesnt work out" its like 90/10 that you give up your entire team and don't keep howard. 90%.


well all i heard last season from laker fans is Bynum is just about as good as Howard, and even heard some say he could be better than howard pretty soon, and as early as next season.


or was all that just another case of laker fans greatly overvaluing (and overrating) their players foolishly ?

Bynum is the 2nd best center but before we say if he has a chacne to be better than howard Bynum still needs to mature for a few years. Time lakers dont have where as rockets are setting eyes on 2-3 years from now regardless.


Oh so it's okay for the lakers to go all in but not the rockets? You realize that this trade indicates that the rockets want to win NOW too, right?

Laker fans wanting Howard for Bynum proves how big the gap is between the #1 center in the league and the #2. DMC is better than Bynum if we're talking "potential #1 center".

Houston is tired of being mediocre, it's time to take a gamble. And why is everyone so sure D12 is leaving? There are no clear cut better options next year for him. Houston WILL bring in another star to make him happy if they trade for him. We dont even know what the rest of the plan is. Houston could be on to something.

If you think the rockets can win anything with howard who is marking days on his calender and the magic in the western conference you have another thing coming. Sure rockets would have space to sign CP3 next year... but so does Atlanta and atlanta getting both of them is much nicer since theres a legit 3rd option over there already. Just too risky. Way too risky. Will most likely end up with nothing when you can try to build a team like OKC through the draft but already have the 2nd best center in the league who wants to stay with u for 5 years.

[brain drain]

Oh so it's okay for the lakers to go all in but not the rockets? You realize that this trade indicates that the rockets want to win NOW too, right?

Laker fans wanting Howard for Bynum proves how big the gap is between the #1 center in the league and the #2. DMC is better than Bynum if we're talking "potential #1 center".

Houston is tired of being mediocre, it's time to take a gamble. And why is everyone so sure D12 is leaving? There are no clear cut better options next year for him. Houston WILL bring in another star to make him happy if they trade for him. We dont even know what the rest of the plan is. Houston could be on to something.


Houston will be more or less like Orlando is now if they do that trade. Dwight would basically only get a change of scenery, play with the same type of clowns and in a tougher conference.
The sensible thing for Dwight wolud be to play in Houston for a year, and then go back to Orlando who then have all of Houston's assets and where he'd actually have a chance to win. :rockon: :bowdown: :facepalm

That would be the only worthy final act for the Dwightmare.

[Kappy]

Looks like the Rocket fans are seriously p'd off. :lol .....

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=223268

[All Net]

One advantage Houston does have...who will be able to afford him next summer? the teams he wants have zero cap space to sign him..Houston would be able to offer him the most.

[Hank]

Thats simply not true, Laker fans said Bynum is closer to him or pretty close...no true Laker fans said he was better. What Dwight does defensively is a different maker and not just with blocks and rebounds. Impact Drew doesn't have.

uh yes, obviously. I was laughing at laker fans last year who were pumping Bynum to be about as good as Dwight

and now just a few months later every laker fan is on their hands and knees dying to dump Bynum for Dwight

too funny

[PickernRoller]

Looks like the Rocket fans are seriously p'd off. :lol .....

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=223268

They should...:lol :lol ...Orlando raping their @ss...All good to me. If they do land him they won't be serious contenders as OKC or Spurs.

[coin24]

Houston magic:lol

Good deal for Orlando, get rid of all the bums off there roster.


Houston.. Wow. :facepalm

[Kappy]

I'm not mad whatsoever. I've been one of the few Laker fans that didn't want to give up Bynum for Howard. I have to say though, the Rockets are going to be so screwed. Why they would do this deal is beyond all logic. Really, this has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen a franchise do ..... gut their whole fricken team for one player, and that one player will more than likely say adios after 1 horrific season. IDIOTS!!

[R.I.P.]

Let

[outbreak]

Looks like the Rocket fans are seriously p'd off. :lol .....

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=223268

They are being bent over in that trade that's rumoured, but then again if they have word about Dwight resigning then I think it's fair. Who knows what has been said between them that the media hasn't heard.

[DKLaker]

Thats simply not true, Laker fans said Bynum is closer to him or pretty close...no true Laker fans said he was better. What Dwight does defensively is a different maker and not just with blocks and rebounds. Impact Drew doesn't have.

Just an interesting note:

Bynum had a career high 30 rebounds this year Howard's career high is 26...he got it 6 years ago.

Bynum's career high in points is 42, Howard's is 45

[Batz]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[coin24]

Bynum could be better, that's the sad thing.. He just doesn't seem to give a shit..:facepalm

[outbreak]

Just an interesting note:

Bynum had a career high 30 rebounds this year Howard's career high is 26...he got it 6 years ago.

Bynum's career high in points is 42, Howard's is 45

Bynum doesn't command the defense Howard does though. Howard's a guy who gets open looks for his team and make everyone around him look better then they are. Bynum could turn into this in the future but at the moment there is NO WAY you can argue he is on Howard's level as a franchise cornerstone with a straight face. I don't see Bynum taking a bunch of mediocre/crap players and turning them into a play off contender every season.

[Kappy]

I don't see Bynum taking a bunch of mediocre/crap players and turning them into a play off contender every season.

And Howard didn't turn his team into a playoff contender this past season.

[Kappy]

:lol :lol

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n163/yozmama/howardhoustonmagic.jpg

[RazorBaLade]

Just an interesting note:

Bynum had a career high 30 rebounds this year Howard's career high is 26...he got it 6 years ago.

Bynum's career high in points is 42, Howard's is 45

exactly. they are very close. The only difference like if I had to sum it up in non stats and defense etc terms is howard is ready to win titles as a contributor RIGHT NOW where as bynum is about 2 years of losing away from it. That is literally perfect for the rockets.

[outbreak]

And Howard didn't turn his team into a playoff contender this past season.

umm they were sitting pretty well until he went down with injury considering all the crap he stirred up, they beat heat afew times in the season, had a good shot at making the conference finals if he was healthy

[RazorBaLade]

umm they were sitting pretty well until he went down with injury considering all the crap he stirred up, they beat heat afew times in the season, had a good shot at making the conference finals if he was healthy

true but in the EAST. I dont know if the magic beat denver in a 7 game series in the west let alone have a better record..

[Hank]

well its a superstar league man. So I understand the approach of going for the best at the position instead of going for a guy you "hope" will be as good, and has bum knees and a poor attitude and immaturity to him to boot. Even if the cost is more you know what you're getting, and thats the best

[G-Funk]

Dwight's reaction after his first Houston practice....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiFNrO33bSo

[outbreak]

true but in the EAST. I dont know if the magic beat denver in a 7 game series in the west let alone have a better record..

Seriously? I think they would have a good shot at them all but OKC and Spurs, did you even watch any Orlando games before the Howard saga hit full swing?

[LakersFan626]

well its a superstar league man. So I understand the approach of going for the best at the position instead of going for a guy you "hope" will be as good, and has bum knees and a poor attitude and immaturity to him to boot. Even if the cost is more you know what you're getting, and thats the best

You're acting like these don't apply to Dwight either.

[G-Funk]

One advantage Houston does have...who will be able to afford him next summer? the teams he wants have zero cap space to sign him..Houston would be able to offer him the most.

He can go with CP3 to Dallas or ATL and join Dirk or J Smith

[RazorBaLade]

Seriously? I think they would have a good shot at them all but OKC and Spurs, did you even watch any Orlando games before the Howard saga hit full swing?

Being good for a stretch of games isn't really a big deal. They had good runs and bad runs. Very up and down. All I know is even last year where were they? still hopeless.

[All Net]

He can go with CP3 to Dallas or ATL and join Dirk or J Smith

Certainly possible but his options are limited.

[Bosnian Sajo]

All 3 of the Rockets 1st round draft picks? And on top of that they get youngsters Parsons, Morris, and Patterson? This deal has everything the magic want.

1 Veteran who can shoot lights out (Martin)
6 (I said SIX) young guys to rebuild your team

Awesome deal for the Magic, much better than Brooklyn offer.

[R.I.P.]

Certainly possible but his options are limited.

Don

[Optimus Prime]

Bynum doesn't command the defense Howard does though. Howard's a guy who gets open looks for his team and make everyone around him look better then they are. Bynum could turn into this in the future but at the moment there is NO WAY you can argue he is on Howard's level as a franchise cornerstone with a straight face. I don't see Bynum taking a bunch of mediocre/crap players and turning them into a play off contender every season.

:wtf:

Bynum constantly had two / three defenders hanging off him every time he touched the ball in the post. Opposing teams would literally swarm Kobe and Bynum because they were the only ones who could reliably score buckets. Kids only watching Sports Center highlights nowadays...:facepalm

:kobe:

[Optimus Prime]

Thats simply not true, Laker fans said Bynum is closer to him or pretty close...no true Laker fans said he was better. What Dwight does defensively is a different maker and not just with blocks and rebounds. Impact Drew doesn't have.

Bynum is better than Dwight offensively (his post game is coming along nicely) and he can actually hit his free throws. Dwight is better in all other aspects however Drew is still the second best center in the league.

:kobe:

[longtime lurker]

Wtf are the Rockets doing right now? They have to be insane to give up that much for a guy that could possibly walk. I'd give up 2 pospects, 1 of the draft picks another pick and offer to take 2 of davis, richardson or turk. Right now they're selling the farm when they don't have to.

[Raz]

Morey needs to be fired. Worst trade for a superstar ever.

White, Lamb, Jones, picks, Parsons, Morris, Patterson. Dude is a ****ing idiot.

He needs to be fired before this goes through, he'l have no cap space to add Dwight's buddies next year

[bagelred]

Rockets officials, though, remain steadfast in their belief that, even if the Bulls decline to match on Asik, that they'll be able to absorb at least three of the four aforementioned Magic role players: Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Turkoglu. Sources say that the Rockets would have to send Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons to the Magic from their current roster to make the salary-cap math work, as well the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones, all selected in last month's first round.

The Rockets, in addition, would also have to waive a handful of players with non-guaranteed contracts (Shaun Livingston, Courtney Fortson, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan, Jon Leuer, Diamon Simpson and Greg Smith) to clear sufficient cap space.

:oldlol: Ever see a team waive 7 players before a trade? That's probably a record.

[niko]

Certainly possible but his options are limited.
No, don't you understand the Rockets are going to to trade their whole team for him, then flip him back to NJ for 4 years of Brook Lopez and 3 years of Kris Humphries. Because that's what Dwight wants. Morey is doing all this just to cave in.

[Take Your Lumps]

I bet Dwight's agent is scrambling right now....I'm bracing for the coming purposeful leak this afternoon reaffirming Dwight not wanting to extend with Houston to try and scare them off.

http://i.imgur.com/bTMSC.jpg

[blacknapalm]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/6RHJ/morey/image.png

[Mr Exlax]

You guys have to understand that even if he doesn't sign an extension, it's still the best move for the Rockets. We've been in a bad spot for a couple of seasons now. Not good enough to compete for a title, but not bad enough to be a lottery team. At least we'll be a lottery team if he leaves.

[bagelred]

Morey needs to be fired. Worst trade for a superstar ever.

White, Lamb, Jones, picks, Parsons, Morris, Patterson. Dude is a ****ing idiot.

He needs to be fired before this goes through, he'l have no cap space to add Dwight's buddies next year

The man is smart. Dwight Howard is a Top 5 player in this league at least. You know how hard it is to get one of those guys on your roster? All those other players are meaningless compared to getting Howard.

Obviously, Morey should do his best to keep whatever assets he can. But at the end of the day, he needs to make sure Howard is a Rocket at all costs.

You have to take a chance sometimes to get out of mediocrity. There's a good chance Howard will stay for extra money and no other good options. Gots to take a chance.


Go Big or Go Home.

[Mr Exlax]

The man is smart. Dwight Howard is a Top 5 player in this league at least. You know how hard it is to get one of those guys on your roster? All those other players are meaningless compared to getting Howard.

Obviously, Morey should do his best to keep whatever assets he can. But at the end of the day, he needs to make sure Howard is a Rocket at all costs.

You have to take a chance sometimes to get out of mediocrity. There's a good chance Howard will stay for extra money and no other good options. Gots to take a chance.


Go Big or Go Home.


This!

[bagelred]

This!

There is actually one thing Rockets need to worry about and I bet Rockets haven't even thought of it.

If this trade goes through, and Howard is still a free agent next summer, I think there is a chance Howard GOES BACK to Orlando.

Think about it. Howard actually LIKES Orlando. They love him there. He doesn't really WANT to leave but the team has failed to put pieces around Howard. If this trade happens, next summer, Orlando has cap space AND young new talents AND draft picks AND could probably sign other top players besides Howard. That will be everything Howard wants.

Remember this post. I actually think this is a STRONG POSSIBILITY. Magic would welcome Howard back with open arms and Howard returning to Orlando could be his best option.

Morey needs to think about this carefully.

[niko]

There is actually one thing Rockets need to worry about and I bet Rockets haven't even thought of it.

If this trade goes through, and Howard is still a free agent next summer, I think there is a chance Howard GOES BACK to Orlando.

Think about it. Howard actually LIKES Orlando. They love him there. He doesn't really WANT to leave but the team has failed to put pieces around Howard. If this trade happens, next summer, Orlando has cap space AND young new talents AND draft picks AND could probably sign other top players besides Howard. That will be everything Howard wants.

Remember this post. I actually think this is a STRONG POSSIBILITY. Magic would welcome Howard back with open arms and Howard returning to Orlando could be his best option.

Morey needs to think about this carefully.

i don't think so, He thinks they screwed him over, fair or unfair. That they lied to him, didn't really consider sending him to Brooklyn, etc. I don't see this.

[R.I.P.]

At this point the trade between the Rockets/Magic will happen. Houston has gutted their complete roster and the Magic won

[longtime lurker]

This trade is retarded not because you give up so many assets but because you give them up for a guy that can leave next summer. Even if you decide to sign and trade there's no way in hell you're getting even 50% of the value you gave up back.

[Mr Exlax]

There is actually one thing Rockets need to worry about and I bet Rockets haven't even thought of it.

If this trade goes through, and Howard is still a free agent next summer, I think there is a chance Howard GOES BACK to Orlando.

Think about it. Howard actually LIKES Orlando. They love him there. He doesn't really WANT to leave but the team has failed to put pieces around Howard. If this trade happens, next summer, Orlando has cap space AND young new talents AND draft picks AND could probably sign other top players besides Howard. That will be everything Howard wants.

Remember this post. I actually think this is a STRONG POSSIBILITY. Magic would welcome Howard back with open arms and Howard returning to Orlando could be his best option.

Morey needs to think about this carefully.


Ohhhhh that's freaking scary!!!!!! I didn't even think about that at all!!!!! Even then though bro, if we don't keep him at least we'll be a lottery team.

[bagelred]

This trade is retarded not because you give up so many assets but because you give them up for a guy that can leave next summer. Even if you decide to sign and trade there's no way in hell you're getting even 50% of the value you gave up back.

Well sometimes you have to take a chance.

It's like the World Series of Poker. You play smart, gather chips (picks) slowly, build up your chip stack, but when the right hand comes along (Howard available), you have to go "all in" and see what happens. That's the only way you will win in the WSOP and that's the only way you "win" trying to build a championship contender. If Howard leaves, well, you tried and now you'll suck, and you'll have to rebuild anyway. Don't you guys always say mediocrity is worse thing to be in NBA? Well, after this move, Rockets will either be on path to a championship or on a path to tanking.




.

[niko]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]At this point the trade between the Rockets/Magic will happen. Houston has gutted their complete roster and the Magic won

[R.I.P.]

Ohhhhh that's freaking scary!!!!!! I didn't even think about that at all!!!!! Even then though bro, if we don't keep him at least we'll be a lottery team.

With no draft picks.

Howard is not going back, and I doubt the Magic would want him back. That

[bagelred]

Howard is not going back, and I doubt the Magic would want him back.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[R.I.P.]

You couldn't be more wrong.

Okay.

[bagelred]

Okay.

You honestly think Magic wouldn't take Howard back? Especially if he signs a 4 year contract? You don't think Magic ownership likes making money?

[Hank]

Well sometimes you have to take a chance.

It's like the World Series of Poker. You play smart, gather chips (picks) slowly, build up your chip stack, but when the right hand comes along (Howard available), you have to go "all in" and see what happens. That's the only way you will win in the WSOP and that's the only way you "win" trying to build a championship contender. If Howard leaves, well, you tried and now you'll suck, and you'll have to rebuild anyway. Don't you guys always say mediocrity is worse thing to be in NBA? Well, after this move, Rockets will either be on path to a championship or on a path to tanking.




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I agree with this. You gotta go for it. The Heat did, and now we're the best and nobody can touch us for the foreseeable future.


for every OKC that tries to build slowly through the draft process, there are 5 Golden State's, Sacramento's, and Toronto's that never go anywhere trying to do the same thing. When you have a chance to get a fairly young superstar, and who's head and shoulders the best at his position, you GO FOR IT imo

[niko]

You honestly think Magic wouldn't take Howard back? Especially if he signs a 4 year contract? You don't think Magic ownership likes making money?
I don't think he reaches out to them and i think they'd be terrified he leaks it laughing about them reaching out to him.

[waseem780]

If the rockets can get a good PG and a decent bench with howard ,, while the magic get rid of blown contracts and get many alright players and draft picks.. Amazing trade for both teams. But especially magic coz i doubt the baby dwight will resign with the rockets.. Somebody should teach howard a lesson and send him to the bobcats for MKG , kemba , biyombo + picks . Hehe then c hw he wuld feel.

[fatboy11]

Man, Morey is going to give them everything.

:(

[R.I.P.]

You honestly think Magic wouldn't take Howard back? Especially if he signs a 4 year contract? You don't think Magic ownership likes making money?

Yes. That

[Brickz187]

Its going to suck being a Rockets fan if you are one. They are pretty much swapping teams. What makes you think that makes Dwight stay? He wants to get AWAY from his scrub teammates in Orlando, not take them with him. They will be left with no Dwight and a bunch of scrubs.

[LakersForlife]

im too old for this

[R.I.P.]

Its going to suck being a Rockets fan if you are one. They are pretty much swapping teams. What makes you think that makes Dwight stay? He wants to get AWAY from his scrub teammates in Orlando, not take them with him. They will be left with no Dwight and a bunch of scrubs.

Different scenery. Fans who

[Take Your Lumps]

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[fatboy11]

Rockets officials, though, remain steadfast in their belief that, even if the Bulls decline to match on Asik, that they'll be able to absorb at least three of the four aforementioned Magic role players: Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Turkoglu. Sources say that the Rockets would have to send Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons to the Magic from their current roster to make the salary-cap math work, as well the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones, all selected in last month's first round.

The Rockets, in addition, would also have to waive a handful of players with non-guaranteed contracts (Shaun Livingston, Courtney Fortson, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan, Jon Leuer, Diamon Simpson and Greg Smith) to clear sufficient cap space.

Rosters for each team if this trade went through:

Houston
PG - Chris Duhon/Toney Douglas
SG - Jason Richardson
SF - Gary Forbes
PF - Glen Davis/Donatas Motiejunas/Jon Brockman
C - Dwight Howard

Cap: $41 million (roughly)

They could re-sign Courtney Lee (who also played for the Magic) and sign another good free agent, or several decent free agents. But, god damn, they're giving up EVERYTHING for a quarter of the Magic's roster last year.

Orlando
PG - Jameer Nelson
SG - J.J. Redick/Jeremy Lamb
SF - Hedo Turkoglu/Chandler Parsons/Terrence Jones/Marcus Morris
PF - Patrick Patterson/Andrew Nicholson/Royce White/Justin Harper
C - Gustavo Ayon/Kyle O'Quinn

Orlando takes on Houston's PF glut.

[All Net]

Will they still have cap space if Lin gets matched?

[Optimus Prime]

This trade idea is absurd. How is trading all of your assets and bringing in all of Howard's trash overpaid teammates going to entice him to stay in Houston???:hammerhead: :confusedshrug: :facepalm :wtf:

:kobe:

[boozehound]

This trade idea is absurd. How is trading all of your assets and bringing in all of Howard's trash overpaid teammates going to entice him to stay in Houston???:hammerhead: :confusedshrug: :facepalm :wtf:

:kobe:
well, it sounds like hes mostly upset with the orlando FO. But, yes, its an insane trade. That roster fatboy posted looks pretty terrible. Still, they have some wiggle room to improve if they are that far under the cap still. But damn, Morey must see the writing on the wall and is willing to go down swinging.

[Droid101]

You're the biggest imbecile on these forums. No one likes you. Go away.
Seconded.

[niko]

BTW, i did confirm that if Howard gets to FA, Nets are out (and Knicks are out for Paul) unless they get rid of significant salary prior to a trade. A team $4M over the tax line cannot receive a player in a S&T. Which both NY teams are.

Larry Coon ‏@LarryCoon

@nikochanr3 starting next July, teams more than $4M over the tax line won't be able to RECEIVE a player in a sign-and-trade.

[niko]

well, it sounds like hes mostly upset with the orlando FO. But, yes, its an insane trade. That roster fatboy posted looks pretty terrible. Still, they have some wiggle room to improve if they are that far under the cap still. But damn, Morey must see the writing on the wall and is willing to go down swinging.
I don't think that is the case, i've heard this was Morey's plan for a long time from my friend in Houston. The owner must be behind it - you can't do things like this without the owner's blessing.

[gasolina]

Am I the only one who thinks that the original Nets trade (with Lopez, Humphries and Brooks and picks) are wayyyyyy better than this?

[niko]

Am I the only one who thinks that the original Nets trade (with Lopez, Humphries and Brooks and picks) are wayyyyyy better than this?
Yes.

The Nets trade has worse picks, Lopez and Humphries both at longterm money (and both were clearly balking at going to Orlando with all the delays). This trade has salary flexibility, young players, and better picks.

How was it better?

[NOHCP3]

Wow so that's at least a 10 player deal if it goes down? I wonder what's the most number of players 2 teams has ever traded? Imagine the new Orlando Magic player press conference.

Houston's got to hold on to at least one of those assets... I like Parsons that white dude can ball. But I must admit this is very Melo-ish to NY type of package

[It's A VC3!!!]

BTW, i did confirm that if Howard gets to FA, Nets are out (and Knicks are out for Paul) unless they get rid of significant salary prior to a trade. A team $4M over the tax line cannot receive a player in a S&T. Which both NY teams are.

Larry Coon ‏@LarryCoon

@nikochanr3 starting next July, teams more than $4
M over the tax line won't be able to RECEIVE a player in a sign-and-trade.

Wow. What an suck ass rule. D12 will never be a Net.

[niko]

Wow. What an suck ass rule. D12 will never be a Net.

This new CBA is retarded. It doesn't address competitive balance at all, and so much of it feels random. It feels like tax rules, like they were all made up in a vacuum.

[EllisGW]

Yes.

The Nets trade has worse picks, Lopez and Humphries both at longterm money (and both were clearly balking at going to Orlando with all the delays). This trade has salary flexibility, young players, and better picks.

How was it better?

you know when you have four 1st round picks you use to trade up and get 2 top 12 picks

[Sarcastic]

This new CBA is retarded. It doesn't address competitive balance at all, and so much of it feels random. It feels like tax rules, like they were all made up in a vacuum.

The new CBA did exactly what the owners wanted. It gave them more money, and took power away from the players.

[niko]

At what point does Dwight realize he needs to go to LA to have any choice of location and a quick redemption (winning cures all)? At what point today does "dwight would consider staying in LA" leak?

[ZeN]

This new CBA is retarded. It doesn't address competitive balance at all, and so much of it feels random. It feels like tax rules, like they were all made up in a vacuum.
Competitive balance was never a concern during the lockout.. It wasn't about that at all.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Am I the only one who thinks that the original Nets trade (with Lopez, Humphries and Brooks and picks) are wayyyyyy better than this?

No. I came around and decided that the Nets have the best offer. Many espn analysts agree with me too. LA trade was terrible because Bynum could probably not re-sign and magic go through this again. Houston is offering garbage. Next years draft is weak and that's the only thing Houston is really offering. Nets are offering a 20 ppg center, rookie stud , hump and 3 picks. Everything is guaranteed. Magic know the type of players and contracts the nets are giving them. That cannot be said for the other teams. Haters, ( niko, lol) don't dispute with this. It's my opinion if you have another feel free to share but I'm pretty accurate on this.

[niko]

you know when you have four 1st round picks you use to trade up and get 2 top 12 picks
You can't trade picks from 27 to 30 and move up to top 12. They are not good trade assets.

[niko]

No. I came around and decided that the Nets have the best offer. Many espn analysts agree with me too. LA trade was terrible because Bynum could probably not re-sign and magic go through this again. Houston is offering garbage. Next years draft is weak and that's the only thing Houston is really offering. Nets are offering a 20 ppg center, rookie stud , hump and 3 picks. Everything is guaranteed. Magic know the type of players and contracts the nets are giving them. That cannot be said for the other teams. Haters, ( niko, lol) don't dispute with this. It's my opinion if you have another feel free to share but I'm pretty accurate on this.

The Rockets are trading a pick that is potential top 10 (in toronto), their own picks which will be top 20 because they are not so good, 3 top 20 picked players from last year, no long term salary and taking back $20M more than the Nets did. (Because no Hump going to Orlando and taking back Turk.)

So they take back more salary, give the rockets more young players they actually want (they don't want Lopez), and all the picks the Rockets give have potential to be good picks, and NONE of the nets picks can.

And best of all, it doesn't send Dwight to Brooklyn, so it doesn't start the count on Hennigan being fired.

How is the Nets deal better? :lol

[DuMa]

so i wake up this morning. same shit, just a different day

[niko]

so i wake up this morning. same shit, just a different day
Nothing can really happen till either offer sheet is resolved. I expect leaks from Dwight, first I WONT STAY IN HOUSTON, IM STILL IN CONTROL I SWEAR! and then something about him being open to either this situation or LA.

[Zan Tabak]

Didn't Dwight say he would only resign with the Nets?..Why would Houston take such a risk?

[Sarcastic]

At what point does Dwight realize he needs to go to LA to have any choice of location and a quick redemption (winning cures all)? At what point today does "dwight would consider staying in LA" leak?

Dwight does not want the Lakers. He will not follow in Shaq's footsteps. I've been saying that all along. He will play with Charlotte before the Lakers.

[It's A VC3!!!]

The Rockets are trading a pick that is potential top 10 (in toronto), their own picks which will be top 20 because they are not so good, 3 top 20 picked players from last year, no long term salary and taking back $20M more than the Nets did. (Because no Hump going to Orlando and taking back Turk.)

So they take back more salary, give the rockets more young players they actually want (they don't want Lopez), and all the picks the Rockets give have potential to be good picks, and NONE of the nets picks can.

And best of all, it doesn't send Dwight to Brooklyn, so it doesn't start the count on Hennigan being fired.

How is the Nets deal better? :lol

I'm taking a line from an ESPN insider on this one.
The magic's only chance for success would be to hope the pick ends up being an immediate impact player or player will huge potential upside. The 2013 draft has talent for picks 1,2,3. After that, everyone is projecting that the picks are worthless and that next years draft is very weak. The magic are very likely to not find a player even better then marshon Brooks at 10-15.
However, the only upside for dealing with the Rockets is that the magic woils be so bad that they get the worst record and potentially have a number one pick and the rockets pick.

[niko]

I'm taking a line from an ESPN insider on this one.
The magic's only chance for success would be to hope the pick ends up being an immediate impact player or player will huge potential upside. The 2013 draft has talent for picks 1,2,3. After that, everyone is projecting that the picks are worthless and that next years draft is very weak. The magic are very likely to not find a player even better then marshon Brooks at 10-15.
However, the only upside for dealing with the Rockets is that the magic woils be so bad that they get the worst record and potentially have a number one pick and the rockets pick.

You don't get it, they don't have any way to get FA's either in the Nets deal. You want them to be last year's nets sans Deron Williams. That team sucked ass. Remember 2 years ago?

You completely ignore that the magic are clearly enough salary to actually make moves next year, AND also that the Nets picks are even worse (by far) in what is a weak draft.

Unless they think Brook Lopez is a stud and won't get hurt (newsflash - they do not) the Nets deal is laughably bad.

Rockets deal - better picks, clears enough salary to be FA's players next year, 3 young players on low salaries.

Nets deal - 3 young players on huge salaries (2 of them), no ability to be in FA for 3 more years, near worthless picks.

If you said i had to break up the Knicks, and take back a deal, i want the Rockets package. The Nets package is not rebuilding, it's becoming the Nets of 2 years ago. ICK.

[R.I.P.]

Nothing can really happen till either offer sheet is resolved. I expect leaks from Dwight, first I WONT STAY IN HOUSTON, IM STILL IN CONTROL I SWEAR! and then something about him being open to either this situation or LA.

If he and his team have half a brain they

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why is Morey so well-regarded as a GM? At least keep Lamb or Jones....

[SCREWstonRockets]

Didn't Dwight say he would only resign with the Nets?..Why would Houston take such a risk?
Why not? Rockets have been stuck in the middle for the past three years. Sometimes you have to take risks. If Howard walks, we start the rebuilding process. Which is what we would have done this year if we don't land Howard.

[wang4three]

So the Rockets are banking that Dwight won't walk away from 25 million, but are prepared to commit to Hedo for 12 million for two years, Jrich and Glen Davis for nearly 14 million combined for 3 years? Granted they could possibly shop Hedo as an expirer going into the season, but wow what a gamble. I hope they the GM team doesn't plan to sleep next season and just works on trades..

[Freedom Kid7]

:biggums: . I hope for Houston's sake they aren't really this ridiculous. WIll Houston even be all that good with Howard and all the other pieces? I mean, they lost their guards this Offseason and are about to lose their picks if all works.

[Batz]

:biggums: . I hope for Houston's sake they aren't really this ridiculous. WIll Houston even be all that good with Howard and all the other pieces? I mean, they lost their guards this Offseason and are about to lose their picks if all works.
They will struggle to get into the playoffs in the west, and if they do make it, they will get crushed into oblivion. Howard then walks to Brooklyn not too long after.

Laugh. Laugh I say. :oldlol:

[LBJHEAT]

please get it done

[R.I.P.]

All the Nets fans trying to shittalk the Rockets package. Guess reality is setting in that they are 2nd round fodder for the next four years with no chance to improve. :lol

[CLTHornets4eva]

Besides being in the same division, which doesn't matter (in fact helps If Orlando thinks Dwight doesn't want to be in ATL), aTLANTA is the best option for Dwight and Orlando.

An All - Star Center under team control with one of the best contracts in the league in Horford, A young talented PG in Teague and up to 3 first round picks (including one from NJ). Atlanta can take a reasonable amount of salary (esp. if Zaza is traded to ORL, he is an expirier).

Atlanta makes too much sense and I think Houston is getting far too desperate.

[niko]

All the Nets fans trying to shittalk the Rockets package. Guess reality is setting in that they are 2nd round fodder for the next four years with no chance to improve. :lol
I give credit to the Net fans, it took the Knick fans years and years to become as delusional as we are. They caught up in one summer.

[wang4three]

All the Nets fans trying to shittalk the Rockets package. Guess reality is setting in that they are 2nd round fodder for the next four years with no chance to improve. :lol

Not exactly. The Hawks just became bad and the Magic are destined to be bad going into the next season. That's 2 of the top 6 teams in the East. Now if the Bulls drop off without Rose, really what you're looking at is Boston, Miami, and Indiana as the other top 3 teams in the East. Maybe the top 5 end up looking like (in no particular order): Heat, Celtics, Nets, Pacers, Knicks. I'd take my chances to get into the ECF against those teams. I don't think we make the Finals, but I'd really only acknowledge the Heat and Celtics as clearly better than us.

This is, ofcourse, assuming we re-sign Kris Humphries.

[CLTHornets4eva]

[QUOTE=wang4three]Not exactly. The Hawks just became bad QUOTE]

Offseason is not over yet for one, and for two losing the 7th man doesn't do anything. The Hawks were the 5 seed after losing Horford for almost the whole season. Losing Johnson and replacing him with Lou Will seems fairly equivalent.

[niko]

Not exactly. The Hawks just became bad and the Magic are destined to be bad going into the next season. That's 2 of the top 6 teams in the East. Now if the Bulls drop off without Rose, really what you're looking at is Boston, Miami, and Indiana as the other top 3 teams in the East. Maybe the top 5 end up looking like (in no particular order): Heat, Celtics, Nets, Pacers, Knicks. I'd take my chances to get into the ECF against those teams. I don't think we make the Finals, but I'd really only acknowledge the Heat and Celtics as clearly better than us.

This is, ofcourse, assuming we re-sign Kris Humphries.
I think the Nets ceiling is right behind the Heat. Your enemies are health (Brook obviously), and JJ or Deron (especially JJ) having age related declines. I also think Avery is not a good long term answer at coach. He's a screamer, and screamers have short lifespans. I could see a year wasted changing coaches.

It's like the Knicks, we definitely can be very good but saying we WILL be very good ignores the big IF (our injury big IF is obvious and our PG big IF).

[wang4three]

Offseason is not over yet for one, and for two losing the 7th man doesn't do anything. The Hawks were the 5 seed after losing Horford for almost the whole season. Losing Johnson and replacing him with Lou Will seems fairly equivalent.

Not sure if you're serious. Even if you are, I'm not going to be afraid of a line up of Devin Harris/Jeff Teague/Deshawn Stevenson/Josh Smith/Al Horford with Morrow, Lou Williams, Jordan Farmar, and Zaza Pachulia off the bench. At best they sneak into the playoffs. Otherwise they look pretty depleted.

I'll admit the off-season is not over, but I don't know how much will really change from this point on. Usually teams hit a comfort level after the initial signings of the off-season

[wang4three]

I think the Nets ceiling is right behind the Heat. Your enemies are health (Brook obviously), and JJ or Deron (especially JJ) having age related declines. I also think Avery is not a good long term answer at coach. He's a screamer, and screamers have short lifespans. I could see a year wasted changing coaches.

It's like the Knicks, we definitely can be very good but saying we WILL be very good ignores the big IF (our injury big IF is obvious and our PG big IF).

Well, every team's enemy is health. Miami will have health/age issues with Wade, Ray, and Rashard. Maybe Bosh too if his injuries are re-occuring. He's also the same age as Deron. Boston has issues with everyone in their line up. NY wasn't the most healthy team last year as well.

So I'm dismissing it for now.

I think the only forseeable problem with Avery is his relationship with Brook. It's not good and Brook seems like he needs to be coddled at times. Hopefully he's learned to deal with Avery and they learn together, but overall, Avery has really changed since his start as a Net coach. He used to be way more militant and stubborn but since Deron has come to town, he's kinda let Deron do his own thing (probably because he knows he'd be fired if Deron won't let him). He still has a ways to go in terms of learning how to adjust, but we'll see. Like D'Antoni, he deserves one year with this squad.

If not, I'd like to see Nate McMillian as coach. I like his brand of basketball. SVG too if we're not going to get Dwight. Mike D if we just have no idea what we're doing.

[CLTHornets4eva]

[QUOTE=CLTHornets4eva]

Not sure if you're serious. Even if you are, I'm not going to be afraid of a line up of Devin Harris/Jeff Teague/Deshawn Stevenson/Josh Smith/Al Horford with Morrow, Lou Williams, Jordan Farmar, and Zaza Pachulia off the bench. At best they sneak into the playoffs. Otherwise they look pretty depleted.

I'll admit the off-season is not over, but I don't know how much will really change from this point on. Usually teams hit a comfort level after the initial signings of the off-season

The Hawks bench is better than last season. The Starting lineup could be as good if not better than it was for the 2nd half of last season. And yes I am dead serious- did you see Joe play?

If Dwight doesn't work out, the Hawks could quickly add Jamison or Scola and another C and be just as good as last season. Ball movement will immediately improve without JJ. Defense will he hurt by him leaving but it allows Ivan JOHNSON to continue to grow as a player.

[Optimus Prime]

They will struggle to get into the playoffs in the west, and if they do make it, they will get crushed into oblivion. Howard then walks to Brooklyn not too long after.

Laugh. Laugh I say. :oldlol:

Nobody is walking to Brooklyn now unless they want to play for the mini MLE or vets minimum because the Nets are way capped out with awful contracts.

Facts. Facts I say. :kobe:

[wang4three]

[QUOTE=wang4three]

The Hawks bench is better than last season. The Starting lineup could be as good if not better than it was for the 2nd half of last season. And yes I am dead serious- did you see Joe play?

If Dwight doesn't work out, the Hawks could quickly add Jamison or Scola and another C and be just as good as last season. Ball movement will immediately improve without JJ. Defense will he hurt by him leaving but it allows Ivan JOHNSON to continue to grow as a player.

So you're telling me I have to be worried about Ivan Johnson? Ok, I think that's enough.

I don't think the starting line up will be as good. I think the reason why they were beating teams was their ability to exploit mismatches at positions. Instead now they're just going to have a log jam because they amassed a ton of players that do the exact same thing and are the same size. What separates Jeff Teague and Lou Williams and Devin Harris? Even if you put them on the court together you end up being undersized.

[Optimus Prime]

I give credit to the Net fans, it took the Knick fans years and years to become as delusional as we are. They caught up in one summer.

Nets fans are some of the worst now. Joe Johnson is terrible with the worst contract in the league. Crash is old hurt and overpaid. Lopez is hurt and rebounds worse than Mugsy Bogues. Dwill is all they really have and honestly he barely cracks Top 5 pgs in the NBA right now if he does at all. The Nets are clearly third in the east at best obviously behind Miami and Boston yet they act like JJ Crash and Lopez are gonna win them multiple rings. Please ... Nets will not even sniff the ECF...

:kobe:

[Mr Exlax]

Worst case is that we'd be a lottery team if me and Dwight left the Rockets after next season. At least the Rockets would be a lottery team. That's a better position that where we are right now. Not competing for a championship, but not bad enough to be a lottery team.

[WeGetRing2012]

Watch Bynum end up in Houston :lol

[Mr Exlax]

Watch Bynum end up in Houston :lol

Which is still a major plus for the Rockets. We'd have the second best center in the NBA!

[G-Funk]

Bynum on a stacked team averaged 18/12/2 make him a 1st option those numbers will only go up

[Mr Exlax]

Bynum on a stacked team averaged 18/12/2 make him a 1st option those numbers will only go up

I was trying to explain it to Laker's... I mean Kobe fans all last season bro.

[CLTHornets4eva]

[QUOTE=CLTHornets4eva]

So you're telling me I have to be worried about Ivan Johnson? Ok, I think that's enough.


Didn't say that. Simply Joe JOhnson is 4 years from his prime and the additions the hawks have made have made up for his loss of Iso-Joes, bad turnovers and a lack of leadership.

[WeGetRing2012]

Which is still a major plus for the Rockets. We'd have the second best center in the NBA!

Yeah it is. I really don't understand what's the hold up with the Magic....three team deal with Magic/Rockets/Lakers works for all sides...

[Nets fan 93]

C'mon Houston! Go get him!

[niko]

C'mon Houston! Go get him!
Ok, why the enthusiasm? Screwing over Lakers? I can get behind that.

[pegasus]

Why hasn't Howard demanded a trade to the Lakers yet? What is he waiting for?

[Sarcastic]

Why hasn't Howard demanded a trade to the Lakers yet? What is he waiting for?

He demanded to not be traded there.

[niko]

He demanded to not be traded there.
:lol "I'd rather sue!"

[pegasus]

He demanded to not be traded there.

I know, but he should have changed his mind by now.

[Story Up]

I know, but he should have changed his mind by now.
Hopefully he doesn't, la hould move on **** that attention whore.

[niko]

He's a dumbass, the Lakers losing makes me giggle but i'm a hater. If i'm him, going to LA would basically fix my reputation overnight (ESPN, The LA Media, etc. - there would be this huge bullshit spin that he never did anything wrong), it would give him a 2/3 year window as a huge title contender, and after that one of the biggest markets would build around him. He would be the star of a brand new network. In LA. Where he could **** movie stars two at a time and go sit on the beach before games.

It sounds better to me than going to Houston. I get he wanted Brooklyn, but that's done.

[Mr Exlax]

Why hasn't Howard demanded a trade to the Lakers yet? What is he waiting for?

He had to notice that the second best center in the league could not get that many touches playing with Kobe.

[Sarcastic]

I know, but he should have changed his mind by now.

Why? So the headline in LA will be "Kobe gets #6", rather than "Dwight gets #1"?

Or what if he doesn't even get one. "Shaq 3, Dwight 0".

Or "Shaq = Superman, Dwight = Lex Luthor".

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

He's a dumbass, the Lakers losing makes me giggle but i'm a hater. If i'm him, going to LA would basically fix my reputation overnight (ESPN, The LA Media, etc. - there would be this huge bullshit spin that he never did anything wrong), it would give him a 2/3 year window as a huge title contender, and after that one of the biggest markets would build around him. He would be the star of a brand new network. In LA. Where he could **** movie stars two at a time and go sit on the beach before games.

It sounds better to me than going to Houston. I get he wanted Brooklyn, but that's done.

this is exactly I was talking about to my cousin this morning...how dumb fcuk u can be? to not go to la...Kobe has MAX 3years left and after that...He will rule LA City...

man some people are Dumb and Howard is 1st in line for that....go to houston and rot...CP3 signs with Clipps and he is fcuked...he goes to Mavs and he is fcuked playing with OLD DIRK and nobody else

who in their right mins says no to playing Nash/Pau & Kobe for the next 2-3 seasons :biggums:

[Mr Exlax]

this is exactly I was talking about to my cousin this morning...how dumb fcuk u can be? to not go to la...Kobe has MAX 3years left and after that...He will rule LA City...

man some people are Dumb and Howard is 1st in line for that....go to houston and rot...CP3 signs with Clipps and he is fcuked...he goes to Mavs and he is fcuked playing with OLD DIRK and nobody else

who in their right mins says no to playing Nash/Pau & Kobe for the next 2-3 seasons :biggums:

This might sound dumb, but as long as Kobe is on a team, I wouldn't go to that team. No matter what. If I'm a superstar that is. If I'm a scrub then yeah i'd go.

[rawimpact]

Lets all be honest here, Dwight enjoys the spotlight and this whole thing is for attention. Where else can he get the attention he needs outside of LA? I mean he really wants to go from Florida living to Houston? Makes no sense at all... And as others have mentioned, Dwight's a young dude, i don't think he has to worry about kobe for much longer. Bynum averaged pretty much what Dwight did last year (plus/minus 1) and so unless he thinks he's on the same level as Bynum he should be thinking he's going to beast. This especially when being aside Nash and Kobe as well as one of the best passing big Gasol.

Also, as for being in Shaq's shadow... i think that's going to be with him wherever he goes, especially since he was drafted by the Magic. I mean it's like Kobe being under Jordan's shadow, not really bad being under it when he's the best guard of all time.

At this point in Dwight's career, we can all agree that he will never become a Shaq... he just has not developed quick enough.

[Sarcastic]

Lets all be honest here, Dwight enjoys the spotlight and this whole thing is for attention. Where else can he get the attention he needs outside of LA? I mean he really wants to go from Florida living to Houston? Makes no sense at all... And as others have mentioned, Dwight's a young dude, i don't think he has to worry about kobe for much longer. Bynum averaged pretty much what Dwight did last year (plus/minus 1) and so unless he thinks he's on the same level as Bynum he should be thinking he's going to beast. This especially when being aside Nash and Kobe as well as one of the best passing big Gasol.

Also, as for being in Shaq's shadow... i think that's going to be with him wherever he goes, especially since he was drafted by the Magic. I mean it's like Kobe being under Jordan's shadow, not really bad being under it when he's the best guard of all time.

If Shaq hadn't played there, then yes, the Lakers would undoubtedly be the spot to go.


Kobe didn't play for the Bulls, so the shadow is different. Also Kobe and Jordan don't share the same exact nickname.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

This might sound dumb, but as long as Kobe is on a team, I wouldn't go to that team. No matter what. If I'm a superstar that is. If I'm a scrub then yeah i'd go.

lol fcuk off..if you have option of playing with kobe/nash/pau or playing with hmmmm nobody other then ur old teammates, where the fcuk would u go???

ur post is full of sh1t

[Sarcastic]

At this point in Dwight's career, we can all agree that he will never become a Shaq... he just has not developed quick enough.


Yes, but he will never admit that to the world.

[talkingconch]

Don't think he ends up in Houston to waste away another year.

[rawimpact]

If Shaq hadn't played there, then yes, the Lakers would undoubtedly be the spot to go.


Kobe didn't play for the Bulls, so the shadow is different. Also Kobe and Jordan don't share the same exact nickname.

But people are saying the reason he doesn't want to go to the lakers is because he will be compared to shaq... but this isn't anything new... that's been done for the last 8 years howards been in the league.

[Sarcastic]

But people are saying the reason he doesn't want to go to the lakers is because he will be compared to shaq... but this isn't anything new. Howard has been in the league for 8 years now.

The similarities are creepy though. Both drafted #1 by Orlando. Both leave to LA. Both play with Kobe. Both have the same nickname. Both are the best center in the game.

It's the same exact legacy. He wants his own legacy however.

[Sarcastic]

Just from a pure basketball standpoint, LA would be the best spot for him after Brooklyn. But he doesn't want LA at all. If he did, he would have been there last year.


Don't believe the rumors that Bynum struck it down. Bynum doesn't have the clout to shut down that deal. Dwight would slap Bynum in the face with his dick, and tell him he is taking his spot on the Lakers.

[taucesays]

This guy is a freaking moron. He's guaranteeing that the team he traded to gets gutted. The Decision was retarded but LeBron did it right by leaving in free agency.

[jbot]

looks to be a great deal for orlando. they can get multiple young, talented players and future picks.

[niko]

The similarities are creepy though. Both drafted #1 by Orlando. Both leave to LA. Both play with Kobe. Both have the same nickname. Both are the best center in the game.

It's the same exact legacy. He wants his own legacy however.
He's a total dumbass then. He'd get credit for his titles. Then they would compare it to Shaq. ONE OF THE GREATEST CENTERS OF ALL TIME. OMG, what a terrible thing.

If he wants to go to Houston then he should. If he would go to LA and he is letting this possibility stop him, he's either stupid or mentally weak.

Also, if he thinks ultimately someone caves and trade him to Brooklyn, please note he set them up where he probably would get moved in FA, where Brooklyn would need to pay some team to take their players to get them under the tax line, and then gut their team because Morey wouldn't want Brook, etc. so they would need to pay people to take those players also. It's not impossible, it's extremely unlikely.

He has very few attractive options.

[swag2011]

I still stand by my thoughts that he must have some under the table deal with Jay Z ans them Russians for him to want to go to Nets so bad lol. Make that money though.

I can see why he wouldn't want to come to LA, but he's out of options now. He can go to Chicago and wait for Rose to come back though lol. LA is easily the most logical choice, play with NASH, Kobe, and gasol? Best franchise in history? Media, spotlight, cameras, endorsements? Everything you want in brooklyn, is right there waiting for you in LA.

[chazzy]

That ChadEvansNBA twitter has been spot on this entire time. Seems pretty legit

[Mr Exlax]

lol fcuk off..if you have option of playing with kobe/nash/pau or playing with hmmmm nobody other then ur old teammates, where the fcuk would u go???

ur post is full of sh1t


So let me get this straight, you're going to basically tell me what the hell I would do? Like I said co*ksucker, I would not play on a team with Kobe Bryant if I'm a superstar. I want to be "THE MAN". I get a little hot under the collar if a teammate outplays me. I use that as motivation. Get Kobe's di*k out ya mouth man.

:kobe:

[DKLaker]

this is exactly I was talking about to my cousin this morning...how dumb fcuk u can be? to not go to la...Kobe has MAX 3years left and after that...He will rule LA City...

man some people are Dumb and Howard is 1st in line for that....go to houston and rot...CP3 signs with Clipps and he is fcuked...he goes to Mavs and he is fcuked playing with OLD DIRK and nobody else

who in their right mins says no to playing Nash/Pau & Kobe for the next 2-3 seasons :biggums:


THIS!!!!!!

[dazzer87]

lol I told you this is exactly what would happen the moment of the scola news earlier this afternoon. It was obvious.


Only Faker laker fans were in denial and totally lost :roll:
This...........

[glidedrxlr22]

So let me get this straight, you're going to basically tell me what the hell I would do? Like I said co*ksucker, I would not play on a team with Kobe Bryant if I'm a superstar. I want to be "THE MAN". I get a little hot under the collar if a teammate outplays me. I use that as motivation. Get Kobe's di*k out ya mouth man.

:kobe:

Nice! :applause:

Lakers_kobe_fan is a punka$$ kobe nutt-juggler. Get under his skin enough and he'll ignore you. I punked him many times. :rockon:

[StateOfMind12]

If Howard gets traded to Houston it wouldn't surprise me at the least that when he is introduced in the press conference that he says he will only play here for one year and leave.

:oldlol:

[DKLaker]

So let me get this straight, you're going to basically tell me what the hell I would do? Like I said co*ksucker, I would not play on a team with Kobe Bryant if I'm a superstar. I want to be "THE MAN". I get a little hot under the collar if a teammate outplays me. I use that as motivation. Get Kobe's di*k out ya mouth man.

:kobe:


You sound VERY Immature, selfish, insecure and likely a bad teammate.....I doubt you'll ever win anything with that attitude.

Reminds me of TMac's dumbass who left VC in Toronto because he wanted to be "The Man" or Joe Johnson when he left the Suns.
those teams could have won championships if not for the ignorance of those still ringless players. It's a team sport. If you need to be the MAN to feel good you're in the wrong sport......it's all about winning.....just ask Charlie Sheen :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Nice! :applause:

Lakers_kobe_fan is a punka$$ kobe nutt-juggler. Get under his skin enough and he'll ignore you. I punked him many times. :rockon:
:sleeping

[RRR3]

Dwight Howard is IMO the 2nd best player in the NBA (when he's 100%) after LBJ. In 2011, you could argue that Dwight was the best player period. Only LBJ and CP3 come close to D12's impact right now IMO, in that they are the only 3 guys who can lead a team of scrubs to the playoffs (Kobe and Wade at their best could obviously but I'm not sure if they still could). That said, Bynum is a top 15 player in the NBA and the second best Center, and he is still only 24 remember. Houston shouldn't take such a risk, even for Dwight.

[RRR3]

I know, but he should have changed his mind by now.
He did, and then he changed it again! :lol

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Trading Dwight is the best thing that could happen to that franchise.
Their roster was fcuked up. Not championship caliber and no way to become championship caliber.

Hennigan is going to look like a rock star after this trade.
He is going to get a boatload of quality young assets, picks while concurrently dumping almost all bad contracts.

Orlando is going to look good after this....just wait and see.

[Stuckey]

so this is really happening?

tired of all the rumors surrounding this drama

[LA_Showtime]

So how many players is Houston giving up, including future draft picks and the guys they have to release to absorb Howard's contract? Like 10? :coleman:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Nice! :applause:

Lakers_kobe_fan is a punka$$ kobe nutt-juggler. Get under his skin enough and he'll ignore you. I punked him many times. :rockon:

:yaohappy: lol...

this mutha fcuka writes me pm's telling me to be nice to him on the general board and acting all tough now when I started to ignore him...

you will obviously applause others cause you are fcuking cun! with no balls to do it yourself....

fact is you still have Shaq's & Kobe's c0ck up ur a$$ since 2000 smack down...u bitter mutha fcuka....

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

So let me get this straight, you're going to basically tell me what the hell I would do? Like I said co*ksucker, I would not play on a team with Kobe Bryant if I'm a superstar. I want to be "THE MAN". I get a little hot under the collar if a teammate outplays me. I use that as motivation. Get Kobe's di*k out ya mouth man.

:kobe:

:yaohappy: :lebronamazed:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

You sound VERY Immature, selfish, insecure and likely a bad teammate.....I doubt you'll ever win anything with that attitude.

Reminds me of TMac's dumbass who left VC in Toronto because he wanted to be "The Man" or Joe Johnson when he left the Suns.
those teams could have won championships if not for the ignorance of those still ringless players. It's a team sport. If you need to be the MAN to feel good you're in the wrong sport......it's all about winning.....just ask Charlie Sheen :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

i wouldnt even argue with such a fool...he wants to be the man....and he will be on the Houston Magic team and miss the playoffs in the west...while Kobe/Nash/Pau along with Bynum will battle Lebron in the finals to win the Chip

[G-Funk]

So when does this rape happen?

[SYM86]

lol I told you this is exactly what would happen the moment of the scola news earlier this afternoon. It was obvious.


Only Faker laker fans were in denial and totally lost :roll:

Bynum or Howard same shit for the lakers. why you crying? cuz your team have neither?

[Artillery]

i wouldnt even argue with such a fool...he wants to be the man....and he will be on the Houston Magic team and miss the playoffs in the west...while Kobe/Nash/Pau along with Bynum will battle Lebron in the finals to win the Chip

Lakers won't even make it out of the 2nd round.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Lakers won't even make it out of the 2nd round.

:yaohappy:

[gasolina]

No. I came around and decided that the Nets have the best offer. Many espn analysts agree with me too. LA trade was terrible because Bynum could probably not re-sign and magic go through this again. Houston is offering garbage. Next years draft is weak and that's the only thing Houston is really offering. Nets are offering a 20 ppg center, rookie stud , hump and 3 picks. Everything is guaranteed. Magic know the type of players and contracts the nets are giving them. That cannot be said for the other teams. Haters, ( niko, lol) don't dispute with this. It's my opinion if you have another feel free to share but I'm pretty accurate on this.
My take has always been a bird in the habd is worth two in the bush.

I just dont see anything solid from houstons package other than expirers, toronto's pick, and a bunch of other picks. Your basically trading your superstar for capspace. Orlando isnt the most sought after destination for free agents and they'll compete with more desireable markets for who? Josh Smith? Maggette? David West? Odom? :coleman:

Now with Houston rocking Dwight and half his teammates, do you think he stays? I dont think so. As the magic, the only way to use that cap space is to get chris paul and josh smith. HOWEVER, those two will only sign with you with Dwight, and you know your chances isnt going to be great.

In the meantime, Atlanta is standing pat, getting ready for dwight/smith, and maybe even paul in 2013

[Unstoppabull]

Lol @ Houston!

[spiegel]

Terrence Jones is a stud. I knew he was a steal, but hot damn he is a very good prospect. Same with Lamb. I really hate this trade.Morey needs to be fired if he gives up Jones, Parsons, White and lamb plus two 1st picks.

[niko]

Is ESPN aware Houston cannot do the trade till it's two offer sheets are resolved? They are taking the fact the trade is not yet complete that Orlando rejected the offer. The trade cannot be done yet, literally.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

lo Rockets offering only 1 1st round pick of 2012 and will only take back 1 bad contract??

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/13/dwight-update-not-close-to-a-trade-with-rockets/

haha

Lakers package >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rockets package

[KDthunderup]

Feels as if he will never be traded

[spiegel]

lo Rockets offering only 1 1st round pick of 2012 and will only take back 1 bad contract??

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/13/dwight-update-not-close-to-a-trade-with-rockets/

haha

Lakers package >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rockets package
Thank god. I thought Morey had lost his marbles.

[KDthunderup]

I reckon it would be even more of a fail to not land Howard instead of trading all those player, they have literally blown the team up to land him.

[miles berg]

Dwight Howard is IMO the 2nd best player in the NBA (when he's 100%) after LBJ. In 2011, you could argue that Dwight was the best player period. Only LBJ and CP3 come close to D12's impact right now IMO, in that they are the only 3 guys who can lead a team of scrubs to the playoffs (Kobe and Wade at their best could obviously but I'm not sure if they still could). That said, Bynum is a top 15 player in the NBA and the second best Center, and he is still only 24 remember. Houston shouldn't take such a risk, even for Dwight.

Dirk Nowitzki can and has led horrible teams to the playoffs.

[illmaticone]

lo Rockets offering only 1 1st round pick of 2012 and will only take back 1 bad contract??

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/13/dwight-update-not-close-to-a-trade-with-rockets/

haha

Lakers package >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rockets package

I actually agree with this. I thought they were gonna take back all their bad contracts, as well as give up 3 picks. I'd have to say the lakers package is better. This has to increase the odds that he goes to LA, or LA will be involved in a 3-way deal. Before this I thought it was 100% he was going to Houston, I wouldn't say that's the case right now

[Mr Exlax]

You sound VERY Immature, selfish, insecure and likely a bad teammate.....I doubt you'll ever win anything with that attitude.

Reminds me of TMac's dumbass who left VC in Toronto because he wanted to be "The Man" or Joe Johnson when he left the Suns.
those teams could have won championships if not for the ignorance of those still ringless players. It's a team sport. If you need to be the MAN to feel good you're in the wrong sport......it's all about winning.....just ask Charlie Sheen :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm not in the NBA you idiot!

[Mr Exlax]

:yaohappy: :lebronamazed:

That's the best you got bro? That's your comeback? Faces?

:biggums:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

That's the best you got bro? That's your comeback? Faces?

:biggums:

cause i dont talk or argue with homeless mutha fcuka's like u...dont call me bro...u mutha fcuking product of ghetto project b!tch

[bmulls]

Lakers fans please realize your package is terrible. Bynum puts them in the exact same situation they are in right now with an even more mentally deficient player.

It's not gonna happen.

[RazorBaLade]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt
Dwight update: Not close to a trade with Rockets http://wp.me/pPQKk-8Gc via @wordpressdotcom

[blacknapalm]

hennigan is the most patient mofo on the planet. what is stalling this? i'm so tired of reading about dwight

http://us9.memecdn.com/Patience-is-a-virtue_c_125296.jpg

[chazzy]

Dat aldridge

[StateOfMind12]

Dat aldridge
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llzv5g4aNo1qatt68.gif

Doesn't it get tiring being a wanna be miscer and not being funny? :confusedshrug: :rolleyes: :facepalm

[DKLaker]

I'm not in the NBA you idiot!


It doesn't matter what league you play in, you are an @sshole :oldlol:

[Mr Exlax]

It doesn't matter what league you play in, you are an @sshole :oldlol:

No. I'm just not a team player lol.