OKC offering Harden and Ibaka for Howard

[illmaticone]

Don't know how credible this is, but read it here:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Sources-Houston-making-plays-for-Howard/-/1637132/15500010/-/vhw244/-/index.html

[rawimpact]

wtf... cant build around either of those guys.... PASS

[DTreats]

Overpay.

[EnoughSaid]

Houston's offer is so much better wow.

[DuMa]

yeah i dont think thats credible

[KyrieTheFuture]

Uhhhh no. The only offer they can make which would be taken seriously is Westbrook plus either of those.

[TMT]

Hmmm...

Ibaka + Harden + picks
vs.
Martin + Parsons + Morris + Patterson + Lamb + Jones + White + picks

OKC definitely offers better established players with more current value, but hard to pass up on the potential that the Houston package brings to your team across the board.

[rawimpact]

Uhhhh no. The only offer they can make which would be taken seriously is Westbrook plus either of those.

wtf... westbrook is untradeable at this point

[b0bab0i]

Hmmm...

Ibaka + Harden + picks
vs.
Martin + Parsons + Morris + Patterson + Lamb + Jones + White + picks

OKC definitely offers better established players with more current value, but hard to pass up on the potential that the Houston package brings to your team across the board.
Both Ibaka & Harden are only 22. I say both are pretty decent. Not sure if Ibaka & Harden will resign with magic next year though.

[LA_Showtime]

Hmmm...

Ibaka + Harden + picks
vs.
Martin + Parsons + Morris + Patterson + Lamb + Jones + White + picks

OKC definitely offers better established players with more current value, but hard to pass up on the potential that the Houston package brings to your team across the board.

Seven players + picks + the guys they have to release. Basically it's Dwight Howard for the Rockets. :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Houston's offer could be better but it's stupid for Houston. Of all the sane offers this could be the best. Howard may have to settle for 17 ppg but with Durant and Westbrook they could be dynastic. Plus the guy who defends him better than anyone else in the league would now be standing beside him in the front court. That could be the most devasting starting five we've seen in a long time. Perk and Sefolosha won't score but the three stars can handle all the offense and on the other side of the floor that D is right there with the greatest we've ever seen, I could see them being as good defensively as the 08 Celtics.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Magic should seriously consider that offer, if it is real.
Those are two legit players. They are championship caliber starters, imo.
If Magic could also dump a couple contracts along the way, it would be good deal, imo.

[LA_Showtime]

Dwight-Durant-Westbrook...

...

...

Kobe and LeBron should just retire if that happens. My God.

[illmaticone]

Dwight-Durant-Westbrook...

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Kobe and LeBron should just retire if that happens. My God.

Haha, exactly my thoughts. Dwight-durant-westbrook would be unstoppable.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

speaking of small markets....

[TheMarkMadsen]

Seven players + picks + the guys they have to release. Basically it's Dwight Howard for the Rockets. :roll:

I'd rather have the guy playing for team USA & a perennial DPOY candidate.

Rather than a bunch of mid 1st rounders, Kevin Martin & trash.

Neither white, Lamb, Jones or whoever the Rockets drafted have the potential to be the player James Harden/Ibaka are.

[longtime lurker]

This seems like the perfect landing spot for Howard, of course he'll probably turn it down for the same reason he turned down the Lakers and Bulls. He's a freaking idiot.

[bagelred]

I'd rather have the guy playing for team USA & a perennial DPOY candidate.

Rather than a bunch of mid 1st rounders, Kevin Martin & trash.

Neither white, Lamb, Jones or whoever the Rockets drafted have the potential to be the player James Harden/Ibaka are.

I basically agree. It's funny how people always get caught up in the potential of draft picks instead of the tangible player in front of them.

It's doubtful Orlando gets two better players than Harden and Ibaka with any of those picks. Or I should say, the odds are against it.

I still think OKC will have to throw in more to make it enticing to the Magic.

[inclinerator]

http://i.imgur.com/loMHs.gif

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I basically agree. It's funny how people always get caught up in the potential of draft picks instead of the tangible player in front of them.

It's doubtful Orlando gets two better players than Harden and Ibaka with any of those picks. Or I should say, the odds are against it.

I still think OKC will have to throw in more to make it enticing to the Magic.
yup.
If Orlando can dump Big Baby and Duhon...or even Turk...they should pull that trigger.
OKC should push for Richardson to be the contract dump, backfilling the position of Harden. That would be a SICK team, imo. My Lakers would be fcuked.

[ncrizzle]

How about Perkins, Ibaka and Harden for Howard, Big Baby, and one other. That seems more fair. Ibaka and Harden for Howard straight up is better, but Orlando is going to want to dump atleast one bad contract

[IGotACoolStory]

I'd rather have the guy playing for team USA & a perennial DPOY candidate.

Rather than a bunch of mid 1st rounders, Kevin Martin & trash.

Neither white, Lamb, Jones or whoever the Rockets drafted have the potential to be the player James Harden/Ibaka are.

Yep, it's quality vs quantity, imo. I don't see any of the Rockets prospects be better than Harden or Ibaka.

I know this might be just a fan rumor. But one deal gives you a probable all-star shooting guard and yearly defensive player of the year candidate. The other gives you a one dimensional SG on the decline, some bench depth (Morris, Patterson, Jones), maybe low level-average starters (White and Parsons), possibly an all-star caliber player (Lamb), and some picks. And again, every one except Martin and Parsons are unproven. They might be better than those projections... Or they might be worse.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

How about Perkins, Ibaka and Harden for Howard, Big Baby, and one other. That seems more fair. Ibaka and Harden for Howard straight up is better, but Orlando is going to want to dump atleast one bad contract
you did not think that through.

[ncrizzle]

you did not think that through.

I was just about to go back and edit. But who does orlando have to play C? Duhon, who they are trying move. Is Ibaka moving over to the 5? Orlando will command that OKC takes atleast one bad contract. OKC could do Harden,Ibaka, PJ3 for Howard and________.

[Dictator]

If this happens....
Westbrook-Durant-Dwight...........:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Game Over.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This seems like the perfect landing spot for Howard, of course he'll probably turn it down for the same reason he turned down the Lakers and Bulls. He's a freaking idiot.
It is a mystery what he wants at this point. It's funny because his dream scenario of the Net is off the table, and Chi and LA, teams with the athletes to make a deal, pay him the max and still contend for a championship are apparently teams he doesn't want to extend with. Orlando should take the best deal they get offered and then wash their hands.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I was just about to go back and edit. But who does orlando have to play C? Duhon, who they are trying move. Is Ibaka moving over to the 5? Orlando will command that OKC takes atleast one bad contract. OKC could do Harden,Ibaka, PJ3 for Howard and________.

All 3 players for Howard, Big Baby, Duhon, and Richardson. If the math works.
OKC will probably throw in a pick or two.

[LA_Showtime]

I'd rather have the guy playing for team USA & a perennial DPOY candidate.

Rather than a bunch of mid 1st rounders, Kevin Martin & trash.

Neither white, Lamb, Jones or whoever the Rockets drafted have the potential to be the player James Harden/Ibaka are.

oh i totally agree with you, i just think it's funny how the rockets are literally putting all their eggs in one basket. you can't help but a respect a team for doing anything and everything they can to win.

[rawimpact]

oh i totally agree with you, i just think it's funny how the rockets are literally putting all their eggs in one basket. you can't help but a respect a team for doing anything and everything they can to LOSE.


fixed

[MeLO MvP 15]

I called this! I've said it numerous times, if Dwight is willing to re-sign with OKC, it works the best for all three parties!

... but the source doesn't seem credible at all.

[Doranku]

Would be funny to see Harden's scrub ass getting exposed without Durant and Westbrook, but it's not worth having a core of Westbrook/Durant/Dwight for that to happen.

[longtime lurker]

I don't even think its a matter of knowing what he wants Dwight Howard is just an idiot. He'd be a Net right now if he hadn't opted into his contract because Orlando threatened to send him to the Lakers(ooo what a punishment). Because of him the Nets panicked and sent a lottery pick for Gerald Wallace which could have been used to get trade for him. He screwed himself over pretty much. I don't know what the hell Orlando is doing, they should just trade him to the Rockets. No idea why this deal isn't done. I see only 1 team willing to take on Howard without a contract extension trade him there and Howard can f*ck himself

[Apogee]

If this happened it would be instant death for the league.

[ncrizzle]

All 3 players for Howard, Big Baby, Duhon, and Richardson. If the math works.
OKC will probably throw in a pick or two.

I dont think they would even have to give a pick. I think if they propose that trade and stick to it Orlando takes it.

[miles berg]

Yikes.

I dont even want to imagine my Mavericks being in the same division as Durant/Dwight/Westbrook for the next decade.

[ncrizzle]

If this happened it would be instant death for the league.

Honestly, Ibakas defense and Hardens offense equal up to Howard. OKC would have the best big 3, but as far as numbers i dont think much would change. Now if the trade happens, and they can trade perkins for a legit PG allowing Westbrook to move over to the 2, then it would be very tough to get through them

[Artillery]

Yikes.

I dont even want to imagine my Mavericks being in the same division as Durant/Dwight/Westbrook for the next decade.

Thunder aren't in the Southwest division

[ncrizzle]

Yikes.

I dont even want to imagine my Mavericks being in the same division as Durant/Dwight/Westbrook for the next decade.


Try being in the same division as the spurs since they became dominant

[hihellohi765]

There is no way this is true. Thunder wouldn't do that

[PleezeBelieve]

Westbrook
Thabo
Durant
PJIII
Howard


Ohhhhhhh lawd!!!

[Calabis]

Magic should seriously consider that offer, if it is real.
Those are two legit players. They are championship caliber starters, imo.
If Magic could also dump a couple contracts along the way, it would be good deal, imo.

I agree, you get the interior defensive guy and a guy that could very well end up being a top 5-6 guard in the league...only issue,.... will crybaby Howard want to stay in OKC

[ncrizzle]

There is no way this is true. Thunder wouldn't do that

I actually agree. Now signing howard after this year and not resigning Ibaka and Harden would make more sense. OKC is the best team in the west, and they really dont need to fix anything until contract extensions come after this season

[Rekindled]

too bad it wont happen. harden+ibaka makes less than 10 m. you cant take back any bad contracts

[PleezeBelieve]

If I'm the Magic I don't make this deal as I don't think they should pay Ibaka + Harden 10+m a year. Players lose value after that rookie contract is up.

[mehyaM24]

Would be funny to see Harden's scrub ass getting exposed without Durant and Westbrook, but it's not worth having a core of Westbrook/Durant/Dwight for that to happen.


....i got news for you....harden is the 2nd best impact shooting guard in the entire nba,to dwyane wade.....yes,he is better than kobe bryant...

as i type this harden has a true shooting % of .660%.....kobes high is .580% in true shooting % for ANY season...

kobe= 13.3 MISSED SHOTS per game...alltime leader in playoff missed shots...

harden= 16.8 ppg on 9.8 ATTEMPTS off the bench...kobe with more MISSED SHOTS than harden has attempts...mark my words...harden is GREAT

[taucesays]

Westbrook + Durant + Dwight + 2 ymca league players is a competitive NBA team. If they somehow pulled this off it would be insane. That's why I don't believe it.

[KG215]

This got shot down on an OKC message board earlier today. I don't think it's anything more than a rumor for a number of reasons. Presti already shot this deal down last year sometime. Also, it'd be very risky because Howard wouldn't be a guarantee to re-sign with OKC after the season is over. Presti doesn't operate that way. From what I've learned about Howard during the Dwightmare, even though he'd be guaranteed multiple rings in OKC with Durant and Westbrook, I think he's too selfish and would want to go to a bigger market where he could be "the man", and in OKC he'd always be sharing the spotlight and "lead dog" role with Durant.

But my God...if we could pull that trade off and get Howard to agree to an extension, then the rest of the league might as well just shutdown. Only team that could compete would be Miami for the next year or two until Wade really breaks down. Of course we'd be lacking even more in bench scoring. Right now it's just Harden, but if we did this trade we'd have zero bench scoring. Durant would have to get back to being a 30 ppg scorer and both Westbrook and Howard would have to score 22-25 ppg.

[taucesays]

....i got news for you....harden is the 2nd best impact shooting guard in the entire nba,to dwyane wade.....yes,he is better than kobe bryant...

as i type this harden has a true shooting % of .660%.....kobes high is .580% in true shooting % for ANY season...

kobe= 13.3 MISSED SHOTS per game...alltime leader in playoff missed shots...

harden= 16.8 ppg on 9.8 ATTEMPTS off the bench...kobe with more MISSED SHOTS than harden has attempts...mark my words...harden is GREAT

You know what's great about coming off the bench? You play against bench players. Instead of being the primary focus of the defense. You don't put a hard double on James Harden.

[50inchvertical]

There is no way this is true. Thunder wouldn't do that
It's not true. Orlando called OKC with this offer last summer. People have been speculating that that would be a fair offer both ways and pretending there is anything there, especially given that the Magic's new GM used to work for OKC, but it's not Presti's style and again, if he were going to do it, he would have done it this summer. Long term sustained success, not instant gratification= how Presti operates

[50inchvertical]

You know what's great about coming off the bench? You play against bench players. Instead of being the primary focus of the defense. You don't put a hard double on James Harden.
except Harden plays more minutes than the starter and is still in at the end of games, hitting game winning baskets against the likes of Shawn Marion and Kawhi Leonard in the playoffs

[Artillery]

except Harden plays more minutes than the starter and is still in at the end of games, hitting game winning baskets against the likes of Shawn Marion and Kawhi Leonard in the playoffs

:oldlol: real impressive hitting game winners over 20 yr old rookies

[ncrizzle]

You know what's great about coming off the bench? You play against bench players. Instead of being the primary focus of the defense. You don't put a hard double on James Harden.

Except there are these players labeled 6th mans. It is very valuable to have a guy who can come in with the second unit and lead them by lighting it up. It makes the rest of the bench better.

Tony Allen is the best perimeter defender in the game, but an offensive liabilty. He starts and gets everyone focused on playing lock down D. But at the end of the game, more than %50 off the time it was OJ who was in at the end of the game, logging more minutes than the starter TA.

When it comes down to it , its minutes per game that matter and minutes when the game is on the line. Terry, Manu, Harden, all in when it matters.

[TheMarkMadsen]

:oldlol: real impressive hitting game winners over 20 yr old rookies


He's still an elite defender :confusedshrug:

[50inchvertical]

:oldlol: real impressive hitting game winners over 20 yr old rookies
In the Western Conference Finals, on the road, while 26 other teams were already eliminated

[UConnCeltics]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qglo3w

Throw in a couple of firsts and that may work. Would be best for the Thunder too keep Maynor and Perkins though and let the Magic keep Hedo.

[ncrizzle]

:oldlol: real impressive hitting game winners over 20 yr old rookies

What team has nothing but 20yr old rookies in a game when it is on the line? Just get over the fact that he comes off the bench but it is the 3rd best player on the team

[rawimpact]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qglo3w

Throw in a couple of firsts and that may work. Would be best for the Thunder too keep Maynor and Perkins though and let the Magic keep Hedo.

lol @ perkins contract

[ncrizzle]

lol @ perkins contract

For a starting big man, it could be alot worse

[O_City_Thunder]

Westbrook
Thabo
Durant
Collison
Howard


Ohhhhhhh lawd!!!
fixed

[BlackVVaves]

....i got news for you....harden is the 2nd best impact shooting guard in the entire nba,to dwyane wade.....yes,he is better than kobe bryant...

as i type this harden has a true shooting % of .660%.....kobes high is .580% in true shooting % for ANY season...

kobe= 13.3 MISSED SHOTS per game...alltime leader in playoff missed shots...

harden= 16.8 ppg on 9.8 ATTEMPTS off the bench...kobe with more MISSED SHOTS than harden has attempts...mark my words...harden is GREAT

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21736873.jpg

[Derka]

Houston's offer still better.

[taucesays]

James Harden
http://f.cl.ly/items/291v0b1O3d3M281h1y21/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-13%20at%205.22.44%20PM.png

Kobe Bryant
http://f.cl.ly/items/1W3y3j1N0X0H103w2D1l/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-13%20at%205.22.55%20PM.png

Please note the % of assisted shots and point differential. Then silence yourself. Harden looks good on the court because he is the #3 option, in terms of offense and focus of the opposing defense. That doesn't mean you can crank up his FGA and he will be just as productive.

[rawimpact]

Grizzlies give: Marc Gasol + Conley + picks for dwight

who says no?

[50inchvertical]

Houston's offer still better.
better in that Houston is willing to take on all Orl's bad contracts, but the OKC offer is better players and probably gets you in the playoffs lower half immediately. The Thunder guys are the same age except they now are grizzled vets with playoffs and finals experience. That'd be invaluable in a locker room.

[ncrizzle]

First off, you just compared Harden to one of the best Scorers and one of the most clutch players in History. Come on man. On the other side, Harden is still a baby.

And it doesnt matter what option he is. Its every man for himself between him durant and westbrook. You take what shots you can it seems like, bc westbrook wants to score 40 points a game, and durant doesnt want to let westbrook show him up, so hes gonna put them up. Its not like durant has the ball, checks down each time for westbrook, then westbrook does the same for harden

[niko]

The source is not a good one.

[RedBlackAttack]

Isn't the biggest issue with this deal convincing Harden/Ibaka to express an interest in staying in Orlando when their current contracts are up? In terms of immediate and long-term impact, I would prefer Harden/Ibaka to anything Houston can offer, but those guys aren't staying with the Magic unless they really turn things around in a year.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

[KG215]

Isn't the biggest issue with this deal convincing Harden/Ibaka to express an interest in staying in Orlando when their current contracts are up? In term of immediate and long-term impact, I would prefer Harden/Ibaka to anything Houston can offer, but those guys aren't staying with the Magic unless they really turn things around in a year.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

Yes, but that'd be the biggest issue with OKC and Howard, too.

[PyrrhusX]

I dont see the Magic wanting to take OKC's 'offer' when they could rob Housten of all its talent (pretty much).

That said, I feel Housten giving up way too much for Howard.

[Hank]

....i got news for you....harden is the 2nd best impact shooting guard in the entire nba,to dwyane wade.....yes,he is better than kobe bryant...

as i type this harden has a true shooting % of .660%.....kobes high is .580% in true shooting % for ANY season...

kobe= 13.3 MISSED SHOTS per game...alltime leader in playoff missed shots...

harden= 16.8 ppg on 9.8 ATTEMPTS off the bench...kobe with more MISSED SHOTS than harden has attempts...mark my words...harden is GREAT

lol

[RIP CITY]

The source isn't the greatest, he's been following Dwightmare closely though. He's been right sometimes and wrong sometimes in things he's reported about it.

As for Harden and Ibaka re-signing in Orlando, personally I think both players would sign without much hesitation. They're both coming off their Rookie deals, so they will both be getting their first big payday, younger players coming off their Rookie deal usually don't bother with much other than taking the money. Both would be getting bigger roles on the Magic, where they would be the building blocks of the team. Harden would be the Magic's best player and have the opportunity to be a franchise player (he's not, but he'd get the chance), something that would be enticing to him I'm sure. Ibaka will just take the money, which would be something in the 10 Million range most likely, OKC won't be able to keep him anyway once they re-sign Harden. And despite this whole Dwightmare mess, Orlando is actually a good place to play, many FA's have chosen to play there in the past.

It's a no brainer for OKC in my opinion, adding Dwight to Durant and Westbrook makes them the best team in the NBA. Harden is their bench basically but they will be able to get guys to sign there for less, just like the Heat have. They're interested in Grant Hill already, adding Dwight might sway him to OKC, there would be other players willing to sign as well. It might not be Sam Presti's usual style but he'd be absolutely stupid not to make it happen if it's possible, adding Howard puts them over the top.

As for Orlando, I guess it just comes down to what they value more. All reports say they value cap flexibility and Draft Picks. Houston is the best offer in that sense. They're offering young players that are solid, but unimpressive, lots of cap flexibility by taking ALL of Orlando's bad contracts and giving them multiple Draft picks including on that should be a Lottery Pick. Personally, while all that sounds good, I'm not sure I'd really be able to trade Dwight without getting at least one proven player back. That's why if I were the Magic, I'd be pressing Atlanta and now OKC for a deal, they have the best player package's possible. Horford/Teague/Picks is what is rumored to be a potential offer (no source, just internet rumors) and now Harden/Ibaka. Those would probably be the offers I would be pushing for if I were Orlando. They seem to be liking the Houston offer the most though.

As a fan, I'm rooting for ATL/OKC to get Dwight, both of those teams would be fun to watch (especially if ATL could land CP3) and I don't hate either team like I did with the Nets/Lakers, Houston is just wasting their time, he's not re-signing there under any circumstances IMO.

[NumberSix]

I'm gonna have a serious case of "U mad" if this scumbag organization lads Dwight Howard.

[Kujo]

If Howard doesn't want to play with Durant & Westbrook, then he has no competitive spirit or desire to be a champion.

This trade scenario was brought up on First Take as a what if. This was probably the writers source. :oldlol:

[RIP CITY]

If Howard doesn't want to play with Durant & Westbrook, then he has no competitive spirit or desire to be a champion.

This trade scenario was brought up on First Take as a what if. This was probably the writers source. :oldlol:

David Aldridge has been mentioning this trade scenario for about 2 months now on NBATV. Saying if he was the Thunder he would offer it and "there is no way Dwight could possibly turn that down, could he?".

[Mach_3]

Wow is Ibaka this overrated on D?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Thats actually too much for OKC to offer, thought Harden alone is enough to get Dwight at this stage when the Magic has little leverage. Would be better to amnesty Perkins and place Ibaka next to Howard.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Thats actually too much for OKC to offer, thought Harden alone is enough to get Dwight at this stage when the Magic has little leverage. Would be better to amnesty Perkins and place Ibaka next to Howard.
wait......wut?

[WBynumToTheHole]

i think its a good offer.

harden may well be a 2nd option quality scorer, even first on a balanced team. ibaka is the best shot blocker in the league. if the magic wanna build through the draft and pick up a couple high quality players along the way i think its a better offer than kevin martin + draft picks and a couple prospects.

also makes more sense for howard to stay there and win. he may just embrace the city... besides... there are a lot of thunder supporters outside their city area. may just grow to really be a sort of nationwide supported team. (outside of the cities who contend with them)

[RoseCity07]

Great offer by okc but those picks suck and dwight doesn't want to sign there. Dude wants attention in a big city.

[Kiddlovesnets]

wait......wut?

You dont think its weird to keep Perkins if they get Howard? Makes no sense to me.

[takai]

I'm gonna have a serious case of "U mad" if this scumbag organization lads Dwight Howard.
This.

[Qwyjibo]

This can't be legit.

Why? Because Orlando would be all over this if it was real. If they were offered a deal that centered around Harden and Ibaka they should take about 5 seconds to think about it and accept. IMO, it would be the absolute best return they could get.

And some people are posting about Harden and Ibaka leaving Orlando? They would be restricted free agents. Orlando would have full control of the situation. They can offer them extensions and if they don't like them, let both hit restricted free agency and simply match any offer sheet. Neither will risk taking the 1-year qualifying offer. Orlando would be getting both Harden and Ibaka for a minimum of 4-5 years.

[WBynumToTheHole]

this trade should be done for basketball reasons

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

You dont think its weird to keep Perkins if they get Howard? Makes no sense to me.
see my earlier post... Perkins, Ibaka, Harden for Howard, Big Baby, Richardson

[50inchvertical]

Great offer by okc but those picks suck and dwight doesn't want to sign there. Dude wants attention in a big city.
Anybody who isn't Brooklyn is taking that risk and hoping they can convince him over the yrs and make him change his mind

[RoseCity07]

Anybody who isn't Brooklyn is taking that risk and hoping they can convince him over the yrs and make him change his mind

Dwight would stay in ny or Chicago with a healthy derrick rose. I think its about money first, location, then winning.

[bmulls]

Chicago, LA or Brooklyn couldn't sign him without dumping a bunch of players first.

There's a good chance if he lands in Houston he will stay there.

[50inchvertical]

Dwight would stay in ny or Chicago with a healthy derrick rose. I think its about money first, location, then winning.
He never said Chicago, in fact he explicitly said no about Chicago because it's called. His official list was the 2 LA and 2 NY teams. Everything else was just speculation which he never substantiated
There's a good chance if he lands in Houston he will stay there.
I'll bet you any amount of money he will not. Ignoring the fact they are trying to trade for the entire team and still have him around the same teammates he doesn't get along with, they're not going to be good at all

[knickballer]

Trade Dwight to Utah and teach him a lesson...

[FireDavidKahn]

Harden + Ibaka would be far and away the best Orlando could get. The fact that this trade hasn't gone through is enough to tell you it's a fake rumor.

[824]

This can't be legit.

Why? Because Orlando would be all over this if it was real. If they were offered a deal that centered around Harden and Ibaka they should take about 5 seconds to think about it and accept. IMO, it would be the absolute best return they could get.

And some people are posting about Harden and Ibaka leaving Orlando? They would be restricted free agents. Orlando would have full control of the situation. They can offer them extensions and if they don't like them, let both hit restricted free agency and simply match any offer sheet. Neither will risk taking the 1-year qualifying offer. Orlando would be getting both Harden and Ibaka for a minimum of 4-5 years.

Why? Ibaka is nice but nothing worth caring over, Harden is good but that's the best deal they can get? Really? Harden?

I'd be really surprised by a trade like that.

[50inchvertical]

Why? Ibaka is nice but nothing worth caring over, Harden is good but that's the best deal they can get? Really? Harden?

I'd be really surprised by a trade like that.
Harden is 22 and just averaged 17ppg on 10 shots on a playoffs team. Even if you like any lottery picks better, they are 2yrs younger with no NBA experience so an unknown quantity at this level. They are also restricted, so you can just not match if you don't like them enough.

[FireDavidKahn]

Harden is 22 and just averaged 17ppg on 10 shots on a playoffs team. Even if you like any lottery picks better, they are 2yrs younger with no NBA experience so an unknown quantity at this level. They are also restricted, so you can just not match if you don't like them enough.
People just think because Harden had a bad Finals that he is somehow overrated now. There isn't a better young (<25) sg in the league right now.

[KBryant24]

hypoteticaly speaking...
how about a bynum for ibaka/harden deal?????

[BoutPractice]

Durant, Westbrook and a young dominant center is a dynasty that would make the whole NBA competition pointless. No way this trade happens.

[Kiddlovesnets]

hypoteticaly speaking...
how about a bynum for ibaka/harden deal?????

lol Lakers get a steal in this, especially with Bynum not guaranteeing to resign with his current team.

[All Net]

Clickorlando hasn't proven to be a good source

[dunksby]

No way this is real else we would have landed Dwight already.

[liquidrage]

That would be far and away better than anything else Orlando could get.

But I would say if it were real, and I doubt it, it might not have happened because it would require a signed Dwight, and maybe he hasn't said he'd resign if it's OKC. It's also possible they wouldn't do the trade till after the Olympics.

Still, don't think it's real and Orlando would jump at it if it were.

[ripthekik]

I wish this was true..

but I don't think so, especially since OKC are so committed to the young players. If this didn't go through, OKC will never be able to keep Harden. I don't think they want to piss him off. They should definitely do it though, they still have a solid bench.

Westbrook + Durant + Dwight
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

hypoteticaly speaking...
how about a bynum for ibaka/harden deal?????
I would do that.