If it was agreed that Tim Ducan was a C, Who would then be the GOAT Power Foward?

[Kews1]

Malone? Barkley? Garnett? Dirk?

Who ya got :confusedshrug:

[Clippersfan86]

The exact order you posted. Malone first.

[Yung D-Will]

Barkleh

[1987_Lakers]

Malone's peak isn't good enough for me

Barkley played no defense

Dirk can be one dimensional at times

Garnett is the choice.

[PickernRoller]

Malone's peak isn't good enough for me

Barkley played no defense

Dirk can be one dimensional at times

Garnett is the choice.

Garnett can't carry a team as prime, peak Barkley could. Barkley my choice. It's all opinions. I believe Barkley is the better individual player/talent with all his flaws, injuries etc...which only highlights the fact the great potential he had besides what he showcased.

[RaininTwos]

The exact order you posted. Malone first.

Garnett can't carry a team as prime, peak Barkley could. Barkley my choice.


:biggums:

I think it's Garnett.

[Rekindled]

Dirk. only one to lead his team to a championship as first option. and he done it without another all star on the team

[Kews1]

I think Malone, Barkley & Garnett are all a level above Dirk.

I think its Garnett or Barkley

[LBJMVP]

Malone's peak isn't good enough for me

Barkley played no defense

Dirk can be one dimensional at times

Garnett is the choice.

how is malones peak not good enough for you?

[ducktape]

garnett is supposedly the obvious choice

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Garnett can't carry a team as prime, peak Barkley could. Barkley my choice. It's all opinions. I believe Barkley is the better individual player/talent with all his flaws, injuries etc...which only highlights the fact the great potential he had besides what he showcased.

Garnett carried the Timberwolves to the WCF just to lose to the Shaq's Lakers.

He had a lesser rosters than Barkley.

It's sad that it took a ring when he was past his best to validate his greatness to idiots that rank by players by team accomplishments....:facepalm....and he still gets underrated

[Clippersfan86]

:biggums:

I think it's Garnett.

Longevity counts for a lot man. Garnett is the best two way player but hasn't accomplished as much yet as Malone. Malone was also not nearly as bad of a defender as people claim. Two time all defensive first team is something he earned.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Longevity counts for a lot man. Garnett is the best two way player but hasn't accomplished as much yet as Malone. Malone was also not nearly as bad of a defender as people claim. Two time all defensive first team is something he earned.

How many all defensive first teams does Kobe have again? Shows you how meaningless it is.

[RaininTwos]

Longevity counts for a lot man. Garnett is the best two way player but hasn't accomplished as much yet as Malone. Malone was also not nearly as bad of a defender as people claim. Two time all defensive first team is something he earned.
Longevity is what Garnett as well as Malone have exemplified, but Garnett's peak and prime are greater to me, so that's why I think Garnett should be ahead.

[Shep]

lol @ barkley.

it would be
1. karl malone
2. kevin garnett
3. bob pettit
4. elvin hayes
5. dirk nowitzki

[fpliii]

KG

IMO was the main guy on that 08 championship team (had a better playoffs than Pierce, arguably Finals as well)

pretty close, all four guys are top 25 in my book

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I prefer Barkley but it really is a close call.

[I LUV KOBE]

Barkley - primes, peak
Malone - longevity, consistency
KG - defense, 1 ring
Dirk - clutch, 1 ring

hmm hard to choose... Duncan had all of them except maybe longevity..

[joeyjoejoe]

Id go malone then barkley, garnett, dirk

[fsvr54]

Garnett for the all around game.

[Wally450]

Garnett can't carry a team as prime, peak Barkley could. Barkley my choice. It's all opinions. I believe Barkley is the better individual player/talent with all his flaws, injuries etc...which only highlights the fact the great potential he had besides what he showcased.

lol wut?

[fsvr54]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VtZht_8t4

****ing beast

[triangleoffense]

Don't see how people don't choose Dirk, he carried his team to a championship as the #1, something all the others couldn't do and he didn't have a single all-star on his team.

Looking back makes what he did even more amazing, especially considering how he beat the Heat with Wade playing like his 09-10 self.

edit: BTW these are the averages for all 3 guys:

Garnett: 19/10.6/4/1.3/1.5
Dirk:23/8/2.5/1/1
Barkley:22/12/4/1.5/.8
Malone:25/10/3.5/1.5/.8

[FreezingTsmoove]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VtZht_8t4

****ing beast

:bowdown: saw this on hardwood classics! What an underrated performence! That post game and will to win :bowdown:

[jalbert009]

Barkley = Offense
Garnett = Defense
Malone Longetivity
Dirk = Shooting

People will have different opinions depending on what they value more. All these guys were first options on their teams and made deep playoff runs. All of them were multiple all stars and all NBA teams. Only Dirk won a ring without all-star help.

Here is my ranking on these guys.

#1 Kevin Garnett
NBA Champion (2008)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2004)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2008)

KG does it all. Elite Defense, Elite rebounding, Good passer, Good scorer and Great Longetivity. It was unfortunate he was on the wolves as he never had a good supporting cast except in 2004 and took them to the WCF but lost due to injuries to other key players.

#2 Charles Barkley
NBA Most Valuable Player (1993)

Most unstoppable of the 3 IMO on the offensive side but his Defense is average at best. His offense and rebounding was Elite.

#3 Karl Malone
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[Round Mound]

Barkley...The Most Dominant Powerforward Ever

[Odinn]

Malone's peak isn't good enough for me

Barkley played no defense

Dirk can be one dimensional at times

Garnett is the choice.
KG avergaed 25+ ppg for a playoff series only twice.

Karl Malone's entire career po average 26.3
Dirk Nowitzki's entire career po average 25.9
Barkley averaged 25+ ppg for a playoff series 11 times.

How 'bout that?

[howlin_wolf]

I'm going with Dirk. Only one to put a team on his shoulders and win it all, most unique player of them all, most loyal to his franchise BUT can be a nonfactor on defensive end. Still, we've seen his great team d when he had a decent center next to him.

[miles berg]

Dirk or Barkley, basically a toss up.

[goldcrow]

I'm going to have to go with Dirk for single-handedly carrying his teams to the playoffs year-in year-out (well he had help on some years, but no all-star help) and that championship in '11. It's a toss up with these four having arguments over the other.

[Brickz187]

Garnett and I didn't even hesitate. He is constantly argued against Duncan, how is it all of the sudden he can be argued against Duncan, but Malone Barkley and Dirk are somehow better now?

[lakers_forever]

It can't be Dirk. He was not even in the top 2 PF (Duncan and KG) of his own generation.

The best PF (other than Duncan) must be a guy who has dominated his position for a decade (at least 8 all nba first team) and who has won MVP awards. Only two guys can claim that: Bob Pettit and Karl Malone (both 10 time All nba first team and with two MVP's). And since Pettit has the luxury of also having a title, my vote goes to him.

So, without Duncan, it would be:

1. Bob Pettit
2. Karl Malone
3. Charles Barkley
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Dirk Nowitzki

[AK47DR91]

Garnett can't carry a team as prime.
There was a reason for that. The Wolves front office f*cked up with the Joe Smith deal and costed them five 1st Round picks.

We'll never really know how great Garnett's Wolves could have been.

[Harison]

1. Garnett.
2. Malone.
3. Pettit.
4. Barkley.
5. Dirk.

[BoutPractice]

Very tough to rank Malone, Barkley, KG and Dirk objectively. Doesn't help that I'm a big fan of three of them.

Dirk would get my vote due to not only leading his team to the championship without an elite second option on offense, but doing so against great competition. He faced teams with considerable star power, getting the best of Kobe, Durant, LeBron and arguably Wade as a lead scorer.
He also has longevity and consistent greatness going for him. The most impressive stat about him may be his Mavs' high winning percentage throughout his career in spite of drastic roster changes.
Multidimensional or not (and his game is actually pretty well rounded), he's one of the most effective players in the history of the game.

KG would be next. A high impact player with no real holes in his game and a defensive anchor for the ages who's had longevity, consistency, and has won a championship as his team's MVP. However, he never was the kind of dominant scorer you can build a winning offense on, and did less with the (terrible) hand he was dealt in his prime years than guys like Dirk, LeBron or Kobe. Give 35 year old Dirk the Bobcats and he might have them in playoff contention. I'm not so sure the same can be said of Garnett.

Then it would be Barkley due to his dominant peak, but a bit like Shaq, you get the feeling he could've made a better career for himself. KG and Dirk's work ethic and personality make them more reliable leaders.

And finally it would be Malone. I've always had difficulty ranking Malone... to me he's not really one player, he's half of a player called Karl Stockton. Stockton and Malone were so dependent on each other that their individual brilliance seems difficult to appreciate.

Pettit would be somewhere between KG and Barkley, but I haven't watched him enough to be able to give a really informed opinion.

[Odinn]

There was a reason for that. The Wolves front office f*cked up with the Joe Smith deal and costed them five 1st Round picks.

We'll never really know how great Garnett's Wolves could have been.


KG averaged 25+ ppg for a playoff series only twice.

Karl Malone's entire career po average 26.3
Dirk Nowitzki's entire career po average 25.9
Barkley averaged 25+ ppg for a playoff series 11 times.

How 'bout that?

I think you have to score more points by yourself when you team isn't good enough. And KG had only 25+ ppg 2 playoff series with that cast. It should be more. KG didn't have enough scoring volume.

[Round Mound]

Barkey by Far

Top 10 All Time in PER
Top 10 All Time in EFF
Top 5 All Time in Plus/Minus
Top 4 All Time In Shot Made/Missed Diferential

Barkley was More Dominant and Effiicent than All PFs

[L.A. Jazz]

It can't be Dirk. He was not even in the top 2 PF (Duncan and KG) of his own generation.

The best PF (other than Duncan) must be a guy who has dominated his position for a decade (at least 8 all nba first team) and who has won MVP awards. Only two guys can claim that: Bob Pettit and Karl Malone (both 10 time All nba first team and with two MVP's). And since Pettit has the luxury of also having a title, my vote goes to him.

So, without Duncan, it would be:

1. Bob Pettit


I see it the same way.
May i add, that Pettit was a great scorer and great rebounder. He won the ROY, scoring titles, 3rd highest rebounding average only behind Wilt and Russell. And he had a lengendary 50 point game to clinch the title against the mighty Celtics. And within ISH, he is the second highest PF on the GOAT-list (behind Duncan) and in Gifted mind's list of the best player year by year he is up there with Duncan (both 3 years as the best player in the NBA).

[StateOfMind12]

Kevin Garnett. He gives you just about everything. His peak would be the best among all PFs of all-time and he also has a great amount of longevity as well.

[Odinn]

Kevin Garnett. He gives you just about everything. His peak would be the best among all PFs of all-time and he also has a great amount of longevity as well.
He wasn't able to give 30+ ppg for a playoff series. He wasn't a great scorer at all. He doesn't give you enough scoring power.

[StateOfMind12]

He wasn't able to give 30+ ppg for a playoff series. He wasn't a great scorer at all. He doesn't give you enough scoring power.
KG consistently scored 20-25 ppg in the post-season and had some series where he would score around 25-29 ppg. I wouldn't say it is weakness just because he didn't score 30+ ppg because 30+ ppg is great, not average or good.

[CelticBaller]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-05/04/xin_49050104092396080275.jpg

[Odinn]

KG consistently scored 20-25 ppg in the post-season and had some series where he would score around 25-29 ppg. I wouldn't say it is weakness just because he didn't score 30+ ppg because 30+ ppg is great, not average or good.
Only twice.

Again;
Karl Malone's entire career po average 26.3
Dirk Nowitzki's entire career po average 25.9
Barkley averaged 25+ ppg for a playoff series 11 times.

When it comes to Garnett vs. Nowitzki or Barkley or Malone;
Garnett's offense:8, defense:9, total:17
Nowitzki's offense:9, defense:6, total:15
It shouldn't be like that. Garnett's defense wasn't that big factor. People always say Garnett could play defense unlike Malone, Barkley and Nowitzki without mentioning his not that impressive scoring numbers.

[Pointguard]

KG avergaed 25+ ppg for a playoff series only twice.

Karl Malone's entire career po average 26.3
Dirk Nowitzki's entire career po average 25.9
Barkley averaged 25+ ppg for a playoff series 11 times.

How 'bout that?
But KG averages are exactly like Duncan's across the board.

[bmulls]

Garnett and I didn't even hesitate. He is constantly argued against Duncan, how is it all of the sudden he can be argued against Duncan, but Malone Barkley and Dirk are somehow better now?

I have never once seen anybody even suggest that KG was as good as Tim Duncan.

Anyways, out of those 4 guys I see 2 career losers, 1 guy who had to join up with 2 all-star Hall of Famers to get a ring, and 1 guy who carried the team he joined the league with to a championship.

[Mr Know It All]

All four have great arguments, but honestly if people weren't so biased it is quite clear Dirk and Malone have the best resumes.

[Round Mound]

Barkley Broken Down Statisically is GOAT PF

Same as Lebron: The Best Player in the World Right Now

[Smoke117]

Kevin Garnett

[joshwake]

first off.. if you play with a center that is 6'6" and you are 7 foot PF, you are actually teh center. Duncan played center most of his career and has been a pf on paper only.

Malone and Barkley are practically interchangeable for the no.1 spot. Then Garnet imo.

[Pointguard]

If not KG than who? He played Duncan to draw as a direct contemporary. And they are amazingly similar in a lot of categories throughout their careers and even against one another they played as strickly similar as you can get between two players (Tim more blocks KG more assist). In H2H they allowed KG to play Duncan striaght up and throughout their prime KG outblocked him Duncan in their H2h matchups.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=264372

[TheBigVeto]

Dirk, then Barkley then Garnett then Malone (Malone's last because he joined the Lakers).

[Round Mound]

first off.. if you play with a center that is 6'6" and you are 7 foot PF, you are actually teh center. Duncan played center most of his career and has been a pf on paper only.

Malone and Barkley are practically interchangeable for the no.1 spot. Then Garnet imo.

Barkley was 6`4 3/4 ft around 1.95 mt (not 6`6 or 1.98 mt) He played Center in College. Doesn`t Matter What Height You Are To Play a Position...It Depends On Your Gifts and Barkley Had More Physical Gifits Than Any Other PF.

It is True than Duncan is basically a Center but he is a CF like Hakeem was.

As far as PFs 1st Barkley then The Rest...

[eliteballer]

Malone would get it by default because of all the awards and stats he accumulated, but there are plenty with comparable peaks(Pettit, Garnett, Barkley etc.)

[lpublic_enemyl]

dirk beat 2 top 5 players with no other superstar thats gotta count for something

[Halcon]

Even if you put Tim Duncan at PF, Charles Barkley is still the greatest PF of all time. Tim Duncan is one of the most over rated players of all time.

[bmulls]

Even if you put Tim Duncan at PF, Charles Barkley is still the greatest PF of all time. Tim Duncan is one of the most over rated players of all time.

Solid troll, you almost got me

http://www.bballone.com/timd/spurs/images/spurs96.jpg

[bmulls]

dirk beat 2 top 5 players with no other superstar thats gotta count for something

ISH is 75% Lakers homers who are still pissed about getting swept. They will never give Dirk his due props.

[Halcon]

Solid troll, you almost got me

http://www.bballone.com/timd/spurs/images/spurs96.jpg


Is Tim Duncan like the only greatest anything of all time that couldn't even win back to back Championships? Put Tim Duncan on a shitty team his entire career and he'd be just a great power forward like Garnett.

[Round Mound]

Malone would get it by default because of all the awards and stats he accumulated, but there are plenty with comparable peaks(Pettit, Garnett, Barkley etc.)

:no:

Accumalted Numbers Look Nicer To the Eye Cause They Are More... but Despite that, Barkley Eneded Up With Better Numbers Per Game In Most Areas...than Karl Malone.

He Was More Versatile as a Player and a Much More of a Skilled Player than Malone Ever Was... Not To Mention....Clutcher.

Play-Off Stats Also Back Up Barkley as the Best PF Ever and his 2-Point FG Scoring (Nobody Wanted To Mention) Just Made Malone Look a Like a One More of the Mid Range and Post Scorers but Barkley...Barkley is Right there With Shaq, Kareem and Maybe McHale as far as 2-Point Region Scorers

MMM....Broken Down Stats Suggest Barkley and Duncan are the Best PFs even though the 2nd one Was More of a Center than a PF

[bmulls]

Is Tim Duncan like the only greatest anything of all time that couldn't even win back to back Championships? Put Tim Duncan on a shitty team his entire career and he'd be just a great power forward like Garnett.

You're seriously criticizing Duncan for not winning back to back chips when your #1 Barkley never even won one?

:rolleyes:

[Legends66NBA7]

Is Tim Duncan like the only greatest anything of all time that couldn't even win back to back Championships?

Larry Bird ?

Wilt Chamberlain (the one's who consider him the GOAT center) ?

[Halcon]

Bird and the Celtics at least went to the finals four years in a row. Duncan couldnt even make back to back finals appearances. pfft.

[WockaVodka]

Is Tim Duncan like the only greatest anything of all time that couldn't even win back to back Championships? Put Tim Duncan on a shitty team his entire career and he'd be just a great power forward like Garnett.
Not being able to repeat as champions is worse than never being a champion? Really? :oldlol:

[Halcon]

Championships have nothing to do with being a great player.. they just look better on the resume. Hence, Duncan's awesomeness over guys like Barkley.

[TheBigVeto]

ISH is 75% Lakers homers who are still pissed about getting swept. They will never give Dirk his due props.

This.