REPORT: James Dolan is pissed off at Jeremy Lin

[bagelred]

Marc Berman

One of things you learn in covering #Knicks is you don't cross owner James Dolan. He is a very loyal guy but when disloyalty is shown, you are done with him. That may very well be case here with Jeremy Lin. It wasn't just the money, which was obscene in third year. As we have reported last couple of days, the renegotiation of an offer sheet that was agreed upon and leaked to press - after Woodson publicly said they'd match and he'd be starter - was a kick in gut to organization.

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The Post reported on its back page Saturday the Knicks were furious the Rockets changed the offer sheet for Lin and upgraded it to a $25 million guarantee over three years, according to a source. The Knicks were bitter because they told Lin immediately the club would match the original offer and Lin apparently shared the information with the Rockets. Lin and Houston then plotted to redo it.

Lin secretly flew into Las Vegas without informing the Knicks to renegotiate the contract and sign it.

The Knicks had been set to match Lin

[Shepseskaf]

As well as for basketball reasons.

Whatever it is, the right decision is to let him go.

End this stupid drama.

[cavsfanatic]

15 million 3rd year? lmao wow Houston is dumb

[SCREWstonRockets]

Wait, so it was a secret the Knicks would match Lin? :oldlol: That was leaked information? Cmon now, everyone and their moms were saying the Knicks would match Lin. I don't see what's wrong on the Rockets part, maybe on Lin? The goal for the Rockets is to give the best deal possible to get something they want. I think that's the goal for any team.

[Pra]

15 million 3rd year? lmao wow Houston is dumb

Agreed, but the owners will make back that money with ease, especially with how marketable lin is right now.

[SCREWstonRockets]

15 million 3rd year? lmao wow Houston is dumb
No, I beileve it would be $15M for the Knicks if they matched, because of their luxury tax situation.

[liquidrage]

Who cares? Lin needs to do what's best for him. He's a RFA and a team is throwing a lot of money at him. Dolan should be pissed at the crap lineup he's spent millions putting together.

[Shepseskaf]

No, I beileve it would be $15M for the Knicks if they matched, because of their luxury tax situation.
Right. It would be about $8 million in the third year for Houston.


Agreed, but the owners will make back that money with ease, especially with how marketable lin is right now.
That's only if Lin returns to Linsanity level, which is debatable to doubtful. If he's just an average starting guard, the marketability might still be there in a minor way, but nothing major.

There have been Asian players in the league recently, but none got the pub that Lin has. Yao did, but he was actually capable of living up to the hype.

[Ancient Legend]

Wait, so it was a secret the Knicks would match Lin? :oldlol: That was leaked information? Cmon now, everyone and their moms were saying the Knicks would match Lin. I don't see what's wrong on the Rockets part, maybe on Lin? The goal for the Rockets is to give the best deal possible to get something they want. I think that's the goal for any team.

As I see it, once the Rockets offered Lin the initial offer sheet, the Knicks were going to match, 3/years 25 million.

After that, Lin and Rockets renegotiated the contract to 28 mil. Lin basically used the Knicks for leverage either to let him go to the Rockets or to get 3 mil more from NY.

Anyway, no more Flied Lice for Mr. Dolan!

[Pra]

Right. It would be about $8 million in the third year for Houston.


That's only if Lin returns to Linsanity level, which is debatable to doubtful. If he's just an average starting guard, the marketability might still be there in a minor way, but nothing major.

There have been Asian players in the league recently, but none got the pub that Lin has. Yao did, but he was actually capable of living up to the hype.


Very good point boss, I just don't know if he can live up to the Linsanity again. Especially how the rockets traded away all their asset's. At least the Knicks hhad competent players who stepped up when Melo went down.

I don't see Lin,Martin,Parsons,W/e of their 6+ PF's and no center winning very many games...

[teddytwelvetoes]

Not surprising considering Lin is a Harvard grad while James Dolan might have a lower IQ than the guys on his team's roster :roll:

[sipitri]

No, I beileve it would be $15M for the Knicks if they matched, because of their luxury tax situation.
Actually what I heard was 25M/3 years splitted like 5-5-15.
I'll take a look on the net and edit this post.

Edit:
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Lin will get $5M in year one, $5.225M in year two and $14.898M in year three. Rockets hoped that will discourage NY, but Knicks will match.

[Draz]

let him go then.

[knickballer]

Maybe Dolan shouldn't have said that he'll match any offer for him. Lin is doing what any normal human being will do and go for the place that will pay him higher as well as having a bigger role on the team.

Don't blame Lin for the Knicks piss poor management.

[AK47DR91]

Actually what I heard was 25M/3 years splitted like 5-5-15.
I'll take a look on the net and edit this post.

Edit:
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Lin will get $5M in year one, $5.225M in year two and $14.898M in year three. Rockets hoped that will discourage NY, but Knicks will match.
Really dumb not to match it, especially seeing how cheap Lin is for the first two years.

Milk the hype while you can!

[SCREWstonRockets]

Actually what I heard was 25M/3 years splitted like 5-5-15.
I'll take a look on the net and edit this post.

Edit:
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Lin will get $5M in year one, $5.225M in year two and $14.898M in year three. Rockets hoped that will discourage NY, but Knicks will match.
Ouch. Well, if the rockets get him, I hope he can at least live up to his first two years :lol

[BoutPractice]

Lin single-handedly saved the Knicks' season. Heck he saved the NBA, which was going through a disappointing lockout season save for Rubio and the TWolves.

Without him they might have missed the playoffs altogether, even though they had Melo, Amare and Chandler. It would have been one of the most pathetic failures in a Knicks history that's full of them.
He's also ridiculously marketable. Lin + the Big Apple = $

They need to show appreciation for that, and that appreciation needs to manifest itself in a guaranteed starting PG role and a big, fat contract.
If I were Lin, I would walk.

[bagelred]

Ouch. Well, if the rockets get him, I hope he can at least live up to his first two years :lol

For Rockets, the money is spread evenly for the 3 years for cap purposes. But for the Knicks, it's big money in 3rd year.

Yes, that's weird. But that's the way it works. $8.3 million a year for Rockets.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If Dolan is so big on loyalty why didn't they make an offer to Lin themselves? Any team that signs him to the offer sheet they planned on matching is going to bring him in, wine and dine him, make promises, etc. No one is going to sign him without the assurance that he wants to be a part of their team, why would Houston sign him to an offer sheet if they didn't intend upon keeping him?

[Pinkhearts]

If Knicks really loved Lin that much, they should offer him a good contract instead of letting him test the market.

Lin was upset that the Knicks didn't do that. Knick fans were thanking the Rockets for the great deal they offered. Dolan told the media that Lin should understand that this was business and nothing personal.

Well he should be eating his own medicine now. It's not personal, it's purely a business decision.

[AK47DR91]

For Rockets, the money is spread evenly for the 3 years for cap purposes. But for the Knicks, it's big money in 3rd year.

Yes, that's weird. But that's the way it works. $8.3 million a year for Rockets.
Still though, why not take a chance on the first two years?

Is a 39-year-old Jason Kidd and a point guard who averaged 11.5 PPG on 40% shooting better than Lin?

[FireDavidKahn]

Well the Knicks should of actually offered Lin a contract then. It's their own damn fault they decided to piss off Lin by not offering a contract and waiting to match an offer sheet.

[SCREWstonRockets]

For Rockets, the money is spread evenly for the 3 years for cap purposes. But for the Knicks, it's big money in 3rd year.

Yes, that's weird. But that's the way it works. $8.3 million a year for Rockets.

You're a big Knicks fans, I'm assuming you want them to match. Do you think they will?

[Blue&Orange]

Funny that yesterday i pointed that out that right now it could no be just a matter of money but Knicks being upset with Lin, in the Lin rockets raised offer thread and i was called an idiot for it.

As i see it money isn't a problem

Melo $24,351,924
Stoudemire $23,410,988
Chandler $14,596,888
Shumpert $2,616,975
Novak $3,750,000
Camby $4,330,000
Kidd $3,000,000
Lin $14,996,888
5 scrubs min $5.5

$96 mil

Taxes then would be:

$ 7.500 + $ 8.750 + $12.500 + $16.250 + $18.750 + $4.250 = ~$68 mil

Bringing the total to $164 mil Dolan would have to shell out in 14\15, looks bad but...

Tax cap can raise, $73 mil ? Melo and Amare can opt out last year to sign new deals, every player to this day have done that, shaving ~$11 mil from 14\15, Camby is only partially guaranteed that year, meaning another ~$2 mil trimmed, and all the sudden Knicks are only ~$10 mil over the cap...

Knicks can always trade Lin by the third year also... i don't see it being a money problem, Knicks will have 2 years to sort things out and reduce payroll.


Still hoping Knicks keep him... anyone that watched last year a healthy Knicks without D'Antoni, knows Knicks can contend.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Still though, why not take a chance on the first two years?

Is a 39-year-old Jason Kidd and a point guard who averaged 11.5 PPG on 40% shooting better than Lin?
If they don't match him (and probably even if they do match him) the team is shaping up to be Melo and a bunch of roleplayers. Looking like they'll be around the 8th seed again. I wonder if Melo is still glad he forced his way out of Denver?

[bagelred]

You're a big Knicks fans, I'm assuming you want them to match. Do you think they will?

Yes I want them to match.

To I think they will? No. Lin will be a Rocket.

[shoops]

Looking like Lin will be a rocket :confusedshrug:
Strange flow of events...

[Blue&Orange]

Lin will be a Rocket.
http://inotternews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/sad-panda-podiatrist_medium.jpg

Dam you Lin, u know u would get royally paid down the line with the Knicks, good luck being a part of Morey's revolving door of assets.


How can he walk away from this:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/308061/20120302/new-york-knicks-steve-novak-jeremy-lin.htm


"We actually had a meeting today before practice with a doctor to talk about ways to help you sleep at night. Honest to God. And I'm serious. It's the energy. When we leave, it's like, it's midnight, and you go home and we can't sleep, and that's from the fans and the adrenaline, and we're having trouble sleeping."

:cry:

[niko]

If Dolan is so big on loyalty why didn't they make an offer to Lin themselves? Any team that signs him to the offer sheet they planned on matching is going to bring him in, wine and dine him, make promises, etc. No one is going to sign him without the assurance that he wants to be a part of their team, why would Houston sign him to an offer sheet if they didn't intend upon keeping him?

We were not allowed to offer more than $24M over 4 years, which Lin said was not enough, so they told him to get a larger offer sheet and bring it to them. And he did. And they said they would match.

:confusedshrug: I don't think your point is valid.

[bagelred]

Dam you Lin, u know u would get royally paid down the line with the Knicks, good luck being a part of Morey's revolving door of assets.

I mean, it's not Lin's fault. Knicks can match. Lin probably expected them to. I think he's as shocked as anyone,.

[niko]

If they don't match him (and probably even if they do match him) the team is shaping up to be Melo and a bunch of roleplayers. Looking like they'll be around the 8th seed again. I wonder if Melo is still glad he forced his way out of Denver?

Would Denver be better?

[No Evans!]

So New Yorkers are in a conundrum. Do you want Lin or do you want your cable bill to stay low?

[Shepseskaf]

I mean, it's not Lin's fault. Knicks can match. Lin probably expected them to. I think he's as shocked as anyone,.
He wanted the money -- more than he was actually worth -- and pushed for it. When you play high-stakes finance, you have to be prepared to crap out sometimes.

He'll get paid, regardless, but hopefully it won't be by NY.

If he's unhappy to be playing with Houston, then c'est la vie. He asked for it.

[niko]

I mean, it's not Lin's fault. Knicks can match. Lin probably expected them to. I think he's as shocked as anyone,.
If i make a deal with you for something you need 100%, and we finally agree at $20, and as you are bringing me the $20 i say, OOPS, sorry - it's $30, you don't mad?

If you want to say Knicks should not make decision based on anger, i feel ya. But if you want to argue them being mad is wrong, i don't agree. I thought it was ridiculous. He's basically helping Houston **** over his own team.

[Blue&Orange]

I mean, it's not Lin's fault. Knicks can match. Lin probably expected them to. I think he's as shocked as anyone,.
I know, but i can't stop myself from being a little pissed at him also.

[Xiao Yao You]

anyone that watched last year a healthy Knicks without D'Antoni, knows Knicks can contend.

Contend for what? The playoffs? They should healthy or not.


Would Denver be better?

They're better off without him that's for sure!

[Real Men Wear Green]

We were not allowed to offer more than $24M over 4 years, which Lin said was not enough, so they told him to get a larger offer sheet and bring it to them. And he did. And they said they would match.

:confusedshrug: I don't think your point is valid.
I didn't know about that limit, my fault.
Would Denver be better?
It would depend on Billups' health but I think so. First round exits and .500 basketball isn't very good. The Nuggets may also get bounced early but they'd be well over .500, and he wouldn't have to deal with the NY pressure.

[LA_Showtime]

You can't blame Lin for accepting more money. You can't blame the Rockets for doing everything in their power to sign a guy who they want. The only party you can blame is the Knicks, who showed their hand too early and got burned.

[niko]

I didn't know about that limit, my fault.
It would depend on Billups' health but I think so. First round exits and .500 basketball isn't very good. The Nuggets may also get bounced early but they'd be well over .500, and he wouldn't have to deal with the NY pressure.
His wife wanted to be in NY though, which is a different kind of pressure and one he must be happy is alleviated.

[bagelred]

If i make a deal with you for something you need 100%, and we finally agree at $20, and as you are bringing me the $20 i say, OOPS, sorry - it's $30, you don't mad?

If you want to say Knicks should not make decision based on anger, i feel ya. But if you want to argue them being mad is wrong, i don't agree. I thought it was ridiculous. He's basically helping Houston **** over his own team.

Oh I agree with you. I'm just saying ultimately its the Knicks decision.

[Pra]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8RDJEjOPTJY/SgAH4o3tmPI/AAAAAAAADZo/VcQyORjYuQM/s1600/whambulance.jpg


All aboard James Dolan!

[niko]

Oh I agree with you. I'm just saying ultimately its the Knicks decision.
Basically everyone including Lin is pissing me off. I love being a Knick fan.

[Knicksfever2010]

i'm confused with the original premise that dolan loves loyalty. So Isiah Thomas sexually harassing a worker at MSG is considered OK? thats not loyalty at all

[ElPigto]

If i make a deal with you for something you need 100%, and we finally agree at $20, and as you are bringing me the $20 i say, OOPS, sorry - it's $30, you don't mad?

If you want to say Knicks should not make decision based on anger, i feel ya. But if you want to argue them being mad is wrong, i don't agree. I thought it was ridiculous. He's basically helping Houston **** over his own team.

No he is not. He is getting the most bang for his buck. From an NBA perspective he is maximizing his earning potential, at least the most he could convince a team to give him. As everyone has reiterated, the Knicks were idiots for telling the media they would match his original offer. The Rockets obviously have a strong interest in Lin, otherwise why the hell would you offer him that much money even if the risk of the Knicks not matching is 1%? The Rockets were interested they wanted him over here, so they upped the offer.

As I've explained before, in this case Jeremy gets 3 yr, 25M guaranteed rather than 4 years, with 19.5M guaranteed and a team option for the 4th year. If he sucks, he ends up with more money, if he ends up actually being a good player, he gets to go into free agency sooner and thus he gets to get more money later on in his career. The Rockets actually helped him out and of course he helped the Rockets by making it harder on the Knicks to match.

Granted his earning potential might be greater in NY, by how much, I don't know. Consider this though, Yao Ming made a lot of money while in Houston, so there is potential for Jeremy Lin down here. Les has ties to the Chinese market including part ownership of one of the chinese shoe companies. NY has a higher standard of living and also has to pay state income taxes, while Houston has a lower standard of living and does not charge state income taxes.

I don't think this has anything to do with Jeremy Lin wanting to screw the New York Knicks, but rather Jeremy Lin has a functioning human brain and wants to maximize his earnings.

[niko]

No he is not. He is getting the most bang for his buck. From an NBA perspective he is maximizing his earning potential, at least the most he could convince a team to give him. As everyone has reiterated, the Knicks were idiots for telling the media they would match his original offer. The Rockets obviously have a strong interest in Lin, otherwise why the hell would you offer him that much money even if the risk of the Knicks not matching is 1%? The Rockets were interested they wanted him over here, so they upped the offer.

As I've explained before, in this case Jeremy gets 3 yr, 25M guaranteed rather than 4 years, with 19.5M guaranteed and a team option for the 4th year. If he sucks, he ends up with more money, if he ends up actually being a good player, he gets to go into free agency sooner and thus he gets to get more money later on in his career. The Rockets actually helped him out and of course he helped the Rockets by making it harder on the Knicks to match.

Granted his earning potential might be greater in NY, by how much, I don't know. Consider this though, Yao Ming made a lot of money while in Houston, so there is potential for Jeremy Lin down here. Les has ties to the Chinese market including part ownership of one of the chinese shoe companies. NY has a higher standard of living and also has to pay state income taxes, while Houston has a lower standard of living and does not charge state income taxes.

I don't think this has anything to do with Jeremy Lin wants to screw the New York Knicks, but rather Jeremy Lin has a functioning human brain and wants to maximize his earnings.

He gave the Knicks an amount, and then they found out from the media, not him that the amount changed. Anyone saying that would not bother the is not being honest.

[fatboy11]

If Dolan values loyalty so much, why did he do right by his player and offer him a contract?

Lin is pissed at the Knicks for the same reason Eric Gordon is pissed at the Hornets. These guys are taking it as disrespect that their teams aren't making any attempt other than to match an offer sheet (which is going to be less than they would offer). It goes both ways.

[ElPigto]

He gave the Knicks an amount, and then they found out from the media, not him that the amount changed. Anyone saying that would not bother the is not being honest.

Business is business. In the real world, people can turn on you in an instant second. You never trust nobody and you care about nobody but yourself. At the end of the day you will be an asset to whoever you work for, so lets not pretend here that Knicks wouldn't turn their back on Lin if he suddenly happened to suck.

Come on Niko, get out of this fantasy world and join us in the real world. I don't blame you for being mad, I don't blame the Knicks for being mad, but loyalty is something that is not always shown in this world. There are very few people in this world I would be loyal to, my company is definitely not one of them.

[niko]

Business is business. In the real world, people can turn on you in an instant second. You never trust nobody and you care about nobody but yourself. At the end of the day you will be an asset to whoever you work for, so lets not pretend here that Knicks wouldn't turn their back on Lin if he suddenly happened to suck.

Come on Niko, get out of this fantasy world and join us in the real world. I don't blame you for being mad, I don't blame the Knicks for being mad, but loyalty is something that is not always shown in this world. There are very few people in this world I would be loyal to, my company is definitely not one of them.
Where did I say he did something wrong? I said he made them mad. He did. If you change terms in a business deal last second, even if fair you may lose the deal because you breached etiquette.

I don't blame Lin, but if you see the spin his people are putting out, clearly they expected no backlash.

[niko]

If Dolan values loyalty so much, why did he do right by his player and offer him a contract?

Lin is pissed at the Knicks for the same reason Eric Gordon is pissed at the Hornets. These guys are taking it as disrespect that their teams aren't making any attempt other than to match an offer sheet (which is going to be less than they would offer). It goes both ways.
For the four millionth time, the Knicks offered, he wanted more that they were not allowed to pay, do they let him go out and bring back an offer.

[ElPigto]

If Dolan values loyalty so much, why did he do right by his player and offer him a contract?

Lin is pissed at the Knicks for the same reason Eric Gordon is pissed at the Hornets. These guys are taking it as disrespect that their teams aren't making any attempt other than to match an offer sheet (which is going to be less than they would offer). It goes both ways.

See, this is where the Knicks are being hypocrites. Even if you couldn't offer Lin more than 4 yrs 24M, you should have still offered it to him. Instead Dolan asked Lin to go find his own offer and the Knicks would match.

I don't blame Dolan for saying that, it's a smart business move. He gambled and said, maybe if we put out that we will match any offer, no team will offer him a contract. He also figured, maybe teams felt uncomfortable offering so much money for someone that hasn't shown for a full season he can keep up what he did for some 20 games. Dolan, played the market and he lost. He should have at least offered the money and let Lin explore any better offers.

That's what the Rockets do all the time. They tell their players, go find an offer and we'll match anything. It's a risky move, but it's a good business move.

Dolan lost and now he is mad. He's mad that after saying we'll match the original offer, he amended the original offer. The offer was verbal, but it was never official. Now it is and he is mad. I don't understand why he is mad. The Rockets have no point guard prospects, they traded one of their PG's away and let the other go in free agency. The Rockets are desperate for a point guard and are willing to roll the dice on the "potential" of Jeremy Lin.

[fatboy11]

For the four millionth time, the Knicks offered, he wanted more that they were not allowed to pay, do they let him go out and bring back an offer.

Your post is not really clear.

Did the Knicks make a good faith offer or did they not make a single offer and just want for some other team to offer him a deal and match it?

[ElPigto]

Where did I say he did something wrong? I said he made them mad. He did. If you change terms in a business deal last second, even if fair you may lose the deal because you breached etiquette.

I don't blame Lin, but if you see the spin his people are putting out, clearly they expected no backlash.

I completely agree with you. Lin is trying to establish the highest salary that he can with whomever he is employed with, so all that he is doing is gaining business from elsewhere. If he ends up with the Rockets and he ends up being the God of point guards 3 years from now, I guarantee you the Knicks won't even remember all this happening and would try to entice him to come back.

The Rockets did what they had to do, Lin simply went along with it because at the end of day he has more money to play with. I absolutely believe that he meant no harm towards the Knicks, he didn't mean to screw them, he didn't mean to do anything to that franchise, he simply put himself first than his teammates and the Knicks.

[niko]

Your post is not really clear.

Did the Knicks make a good faith offer or did they not make a single offer and just want for some other team to offer him a deal and match it?
My bad.

The Knicks could only offer $24M over 4 years. Lin wanted more. The Knicks said to go out and find an offer sheet and they could match.

Lin found an offer sheet. Brought the number right to the Knicks (he had dinner with several of Grunwald's assistants that night).

Then the Knicks heard via media members Lin went to the Rockets and got a revised larger offer sheet.

I'm not saying Lin had no right to do so, or the Rockets should not have done so (clearly they should do whatever benefits them). but this is being spun like the Knicks were cheap and never made Lin an offer. That's really spinning things.

[ElPigto]

For the four millionth time, the Knicks offered, he wanted more that they were not allowed to pay, do they let him go out and bring back an offer.

The way I understood it is that the Knicks told Lin to go seek his own offer. Could you provide a source when they actually made a formal offer?

[niko]

I completely agree with you. Lin is trying to establish the highest salary that he can with whomever he is employed with, so all that he is doing is gaining business from elsewhere. If he ends up with the Rockets and he ends up being the God of point guards 3 years from now, I guarantee you the Knicks won't even remember all this happening and would try to entice him to come back.

The Rockets did what they had to do, Lin simply went along with it because at the end of day he has more money to play with. I absolutely believe that he meant no harm towards the Knicks, he didn't mean to screw them, he didn't mean to do anything to that franchise, he simply put himself first than his teammates and the Knicks.
The reason i am saying he thought the Knicks would easily match has nothing to do with the Rockets (i'm not anti rocket), it's the reaction and spin from Lin's friends, and his teammates. It's all basically WTF DID HE DO THAT FOR?. If he wanted to leave, it would be different, it would be he needed to do this for himself, he was concerned he wouldn't get another big contract, etc. Not "Well he assumed the Knicks are matching".

[fatboy11]

My bad.

The Knicks could only offer $24M over 4 years. Lin wanted more. The Knicks said to go out and find an offer sheet and they could match.

Lin found an offer sheet. Brought the number right to the Knicks (he had dinner with several of Grunwald's assistants that night).

Then the Knicks heard via media members Lin went to the Rockets and got a revised larger offer sheet.

I'm not saying Lin had no right to do so, or the Rockets should not have done so (clearly they should do whatever benefits them). but this is being spun like the Knicks were cheap and never made Lin an offer. That's really spinning things.

Ah.

I was unaware that an initial offer was made by the Knicks. I thought they did the usual "let the market set his price" thing, which alienates players but is really the smart thing to do.

In that case, I would say that it was a bit shady by Lin and the Rockets to re-do the deal, even if the original Houston offer was never officially sent to the Knicks.

[niko]

The way I understood it is that the Knicks told Lin to go seek his own offer. Could you provide a source when they actually made a formal offer?
They told him to go get an offer because he didn't think the 4 years $24M they offered was enough. :confusedshrug: Then they agreed to sign the initial offer sheet instantaneously.

I mean, we could spin it that they didn't want to pay him anything but it's nonsensical.

[niko]

Ah.

I was unaware that an initial offer was made by the Knicks. I thought they did the usual "let the market set his price" thing, which alienates players but is really the smart thing to do.

In that case, I would say that it was a bit shady by Lin and the Rockets to re-do the deal, even if the original Houston offer was never officially sent to the Knicks.
It was not "an offer" but his agent was the one pushing for more dollars, not the Knicks. I'd be more inclined to think it might be the Knicks wanting him for less than that if the initial Rocket offer of offer sheet (whatever) wasn't so quickly agreed to. Remember, Lin changed agents specifically to get one who could get him an offer sheet. his agent did not have enough contacts.

[ElPigto]

They told him to go get an offer because he didn't think the 4 years $24M they offered was enough. :confusedshrug: Then they agreed to sign the initial offer sheet instantaneously.

I mean, we could spin it that they didn't want to pay him anything but it's nonsensical.

I just never read the story where they formally said, we can give you this much, will you take it?

I mean the Rockets are known for telling their players, find your own contract and we'll match it. They've never actually made a formal to their players. That's what I'm looking to see, I never read when the ESPN ticker said: Official, Knicks offer Lin 24M/4yrs; Lin will seek other offers.

[niko]

I just never read the story where they formally said, we can give you this much, will you take it?

I mean the Rockets are known for telling their players, find your own contract and we'll match it. They've never actually made a formal to their players. That's what I'm looking to see, I never read when the ESPN ticker said: Official, Knicks offer Lin 24M/4yrs; Lin will seek other offers.

Because Lin and his agent said THEY WANT MORE THAN THAT prior to FA. Should the Knicks have went out and made a formal proclamation offering the amount that they were told was not enough? Why? To make Lin seem greedy? It wouldn't have been nice of them.

They talk about it pretty much constantly here ,we've heard a million times the Knicks can't offer Lin what he feels is market, so they've asked him to bring them an offer sheet that is more fair. :confusedshrug: Not sure what you want.

[Xiao Yao You]

this is being spun like the Knicks were cheap and never made Lin an offer. That's really spinning things.

I don't think anyone would ever accuse the Knicks of being cheap. They are the mess they are because they don't throw money around wisely.

[Pointguard]

He gave the Knicks an amount, and then they found out from the media, not him that the amount changed. Anyone saying that would not bother the is not being honest.
Lin is a bit sneaky and it seems like he doesn't want to be in NY. I say we sign him, keep him for a year and trade him to Toronto whose payroll can handle it.

[MeLO MvP 15]

You know what, I NEVER trust Berman and have confidently said the Knicks will match anything (even with Felton)....

But damn, that sounds really possible and if true, we're screwed.

[All Net]

Loyalty in sports? Ha

[boozehound]

15 million 3rd year? lmao wow Houston is dumb
something like this is the only way you can pry a wanted RFA away.

[Pointguard]

Business is business. In the real world, people can turn on you in an instant second. You never trust nobody and you care about nobody but yourself. At the end of the day you will be an asset to whoever you work for, so lets not pretend here that Knicks wouldn't turn their back on Lin if he suddenly happened to suck.

Come on Niko, get out of this fantasy world and join us in the real world. I don't blame you for being mad, I don't blame the Knicks for being mad, but loyalty is something that is not always shown in this world. There are very few people in this world I would be loyal to, my company is definitely not one of them.

Well that's true. You are right there. It pays to know who you are doing business with tho. The Knicks are ruthless and spend money like crazy. I keep saying this because you don't know how crazy they are. The Knicks will deviate from the path of Business to prove a point. Put it like this. Knicks wouldn't have a problem signing Lin, and have him as a backup for three years - they've done far worse with much better players when they felt betrayed. And then just for the sake of it, sign Houston's top prospect further down the line. They're the dysfunctional family that you don't mess with. Houston is the innocent Bimbo family that runs into the 'Hill has Eyes' mountain on motorless bikes. Its very likely Houston will lose a better player down the line because they got risky on a player that hasn't proved much.

If the Knick's really want Lin they will sign him and continue working that cap like they have the last decade. The other thing is that they might sign him just to show who is boss. In business, its know your business partners. In general don't poke a crazy person if you don't have good defensive measures. Good luck on that one buddy.

[Xiao Yao You]

Houston is the innocent Bimbo family that runs into the 'Hill has Eyes' mountain on motorless bikes.

Yet Houston has a lot better track record.

[imdaman99]

Your post is not really clear.

Did the Knicks make a good faith offer or did they not make a single offer and just want for some other team to offer him a deal and match it?
The Yankees did that with Derek Jeter last year... which I thought was wrong being that he was so proven for so many years. The Knicks with Lin? How is that not fair? I love Lin, but if he is over valuing himself, good riddance. He is not some proven star that has a right to be pissed at the team that actually gave him that chance to make this money in the first place.

[Pointguard]

Yet Houston has a lot better track record.
In what way? Lin got hurt last year and Houston's star players are usually good for that. Not that Lin is a star.

But what does this have to do with them playing a bad hand in this situation anyway?

[jbot]

Agreed, but the owners will make back that money with ease, especially with how marketable lin is right now.
that's only if he can keep up the playing level he had reached. i'm not saying lin is a 1 trick pony or a 1 time stud but i wouldn't have given him such a big contract.

[Xiao Yao You]

In what way? Lin got hurt last year and Houston's star players are usually good for that. Not that Lin is a star.


By being competitive despite injuries. NY throws a lot of money around and continue to suck hard.

[B]

How big was the Knicks qualifying offer?

[Pointguard]

The Yankees did that with Derek Jeter last year... which I thought was wrong being that he was so proven for so many years. The Knicks with Lin? How is that not fair? I love Lin, but if he is over valuing himself, good riddance. He is not some proven star that has a right to be pissed at the team that actually gave him that chance to make this money in the first place.

I like Lin and wished this nonsense didn't happen and he was playing for us straight up. Its unfortunate how these events have happened but he's a Houston chess piece on our turf. I don't think he meant to be, but he willingly waited, delayed and played a hand for Houston, which works out better for him. He's Ivory League so he knows he was being a tool for Houston. Houston wasn't a team that picked him up when he was down and fed him to good health. He's not a proven commodity at all but he's healthy enough to walk away.

[DKLaker]

15 million 3rd year? lmao wow Houston is dumb

Sounds really dumb at first.....but it may be really smart because it becomes a highly sought/trade-able $15 million expirer.

[Xiao Yao You]

Houston wasn't a team that picked him up when he was down and fed him to good health. .

Actually they did pick him up after GS cut him. Unfortunately for him and them he got lost in the shuffle with their other two quality pg's. If it hadn't have been for desperation the same probably happens in NY.

[NOHCP3]

Shouldn't he be pissed at Morey, rather than Lin?

[NumberSix]

Further proof that Dolan is a moron.

[Sarcastic]

Further proof that Dolan is a moron.

You would say he is moron if he matched the contract as well.

In the end he is richer than you, and that's all that matters.

[NumberSix]

You would say he is moron if he matched the contract as well.

In the end he is richer than you, and that's all that matters.
I'm not saying he's a moron for not matching the contract. Of course he shouldn't.

AS for him being richer than me, I don't know exactly how rich he is. He may or may not be.

[Sarcastic]

I'm not saying he's a moron for not matching the contract. Of course he shouldn't.

AS for him being richer than me, I don't know exactly how rich he is. He may or may not be.

Well when the Knicks let him walk, there will be many that say he is moronic for letting him go.

[niko]

I'm not saying he's a moron for not matching the contract. Of course he shouldn't.

AS for him being richer than me, I don't know exactly how rich he is. He may or may not be.
He is. Don't be a dumbass.

[NumberSix]

I have no respect for what Lin did to the Knicks in the playoffs. Fck that dude.

[NumberSix]

He is. Don't be a dumbass.
Believe it or not, you can do very well financially without being in the basketball business.

[StateOfMind12]

Knicks will surrender their future by not matching Lin.


You would say he is moron if he matched the contract as well.
Actually they would be stupid if they don't match the contract because of the revenue Lin provides and also the fact that they pay a tax regardless whether or not Lin stays or goes.

Good luck with this organization because if they don't match which it is looking more and more like it then they have no future and they surely are not a championship team right now so no future and no present.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Believe it or not, you can do very well financially without being in the basketball business.
:roll:
dude is trying to imply that he is as wealthy as Dolan
:roll:

[lilgodfather1]

Knicks will surrender their future by not matching Lin.


Actually they would be stupid if they don't match the contract because of the revenue Lin provides and also the fact that they pay a tax regardless whether or not Lin stays or goes.

Good luck with this organization because if they don't match which it is looking more and more like it then they have no future and they surely are not a championship team right now so no future and no present.
In that final year of Lin's deal the Knicks could be paying over 200 million dollars for a first round exit. It's not stupid to let this kid go...

[NumberSix]

:roll:
dude is trying to imply that he is as wealthy as Dolan
:roll:
Not at all. I have absolutely no clue whatsoever what kind of money Dolan is worth. I don't even know how much of the team he owns or if he's a full owner. I have literally no knowledge on the situation.

[Linspired]

Lin is also a die hard christian and he probably didn't mind not having to deal with NY media night in and night out.

from Lin's perspective he can be #1 option for rockets with no pressure to make the playoffs while getting paid a lot of money.

now rockets need to do whatever it takes to bring howard or somebody worth a darn.
































or BRING BACK YAO :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: LINYAOMANIA!!!!

[StateOfMind12]

Jordan Schultz ‏@206Child
Source confirms that while #Knicks remain highly concerned about Lin's third year ($14.9 million), remain likely to match Jeremy Lin offer.

http://www.emoticons.gr/albums/uploads/glassy/pray.gif

I heard that this guy was the one who broke out the Camby news so he is legit.

[Linspired]

oh by the way, that's what happens when you pay S$%hitload of money to cancermelo & oldmare'

[KyrieTheFuture]

The Knicks would officially be the worst run team in the history of the league if they let Lin go.

[Smoke117]

Oh he crossed James Dolan...whats he going to do...not match the contract? Oh my god...Jeremy Lin will have to settle for playing professional basketball for the Rockets instead. You really put one over on Jeremy didn't you James.

[Kujo]

I have zero sympathy for James Dolan. Dude has been an awful owner.

[GOBB]

NYK would look like jackasses if they end up matching Lin's offer :roll:

I love it.

[boozehound]

You would say he is moron if he matched the contract as well.

In the end he is richer than you, and that's all that matters.
why does that matter at all? Oh dude is rich, he must be a better person than me! Besides, he is the suck at harmonica.

[Godzuki]

nice game of thrones metaphor.

man the Knicks just won't be nearly as fun to watch without Lin there. they might be better but nowhere near as must see TV like last year :sleeping

[Blue&Orange]

AS for him being richer than me, I don't know exactly how rich he is. He may or may not be.
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:lol

[NumberSix]

$15M for a single season for Jeremy Lin is beyond ridiculous. $15M for 3 years seems excessive to me.

[WhySoInsecure?]

$15M for a single season for Jeremy Lin is beyond ridiculous. $15M for 3 years seems excessive to me.
But it's an easy contract to trade. You can keep him for 2 years and in the third you have a 15mil expiring deal that any team will take.

[niko]

NYK would look like jackasses if they end up matching Lin's offer :roll:

I love it.
If they don't match too. Win win for you.

[Sicknote]

If we do match how will the minutes be divided at PG?

[GOBB]

If they don't match too. Win win for you.

Nah, I think the contract is ridiculous to give Lin. And if NYK land Felton its a solid move and Lin wont be missed. Well outside of the underdog story. Assuming Felton is in shape and doesnt look like Fat Albert (last season).

[Blue&Orange]

If we do match how will the minutes be divided at PG?
Felton is a Shooting guard period. He was completely inept at feeding Amare, Toney Douglas inept... He did shoot very well, really nice scoring games with D'Antoni uptempo.

[boozehound]

the difference is that the cap value is averaged out for the rockets. so, even though hes a 15 million expiring contract, he only counts as 8 million or so for them. basically a shit ton of extra wiggle room in year 3 trade negotiations. IMO they didnt think that one through very well.

[FreezingTsmoove]

http://www.dolan-duck.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/uss_dolan_duck_shit_gooby_pls1.e89th1sdvzwcgog8wgs s8cogg.6ylu316ao144c8c4woosog48w.th.jpeg

[Blue&Orange]

Nah, I think the contract is ridiculous to give Lin. And if NYK land Felton its a solid move and Lin wont be missed. Well outside of the underdog story. Assuming Felton is in shape and doesnt look like Fat Albert (last season).
2 years 10 mil is a pretty cheap contract... Knicks can actually trade him after 2 years to a team under the cap.

[RandomBalla55]

Not at all. I have absolutely no clue whatsoever what kind of money Dolan is worth. I don't even know how much of the team he owns or if he's a full owner. I have literally no knowledge on the situation.

Well, how about this: how much are you worth?

I would bet anything that James Dolan could buy you 100x over at least, unless you are somehow worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

How are the Knicks gonna split up their PT at the 1?

[GOBB]

2 years 10 mil is a pretty cheap contract... Knicks can actually trade him after 2 years to a team under the cap.

Lin would have to become among the top PGs in the NBA within 2yrs for a team to bit on trading for him and his nearly $15mil for one year deal.

[bagelred]

Lin would have to become among the top PGs in the NBA within 2yrs for a team to bit on trading for him and his nearly $15mil for one year deal.

not really. if it was a 5 year contract at $15 million a year then yes. But not for one year. A team with cap space would bite for one year, assuming not a total bust.

[EoJ]

fak u dolan.

[GOBB]

not really. if it was a 5 year contract at $15 million a year then yes. But not for one year. A team with cap space would bite for one year, assuming not a total bust.

No team is biting on 1yr $15mil so easily unless 1. Lin in 2 years plays like a top PG 2. NYK are taking bad a bad contract.

Sixers couldnt get nothing for Brand $18mil expirer. Couldnt get anything for Dalembert $10mil expirer besides bring back deadwood. Why is Lin different? In fact what past trades involving a salary like Lins have been traded to teams under the cap?

You guys talk like its so simple.

[Unstoppabull]

So let's say if the Knicks don't match Lin's offer. That means they essentially tricked Jason Kidd into playing for them, can't complain.

[Raz]

I think the Knicks should get an asset from the Rockets for Lin in a sign and trade. I think the Knicks should ask for Terrence Jones

[boozehound]

I think the Knicks should get an asset from the Rockets for Lin in a sign and trade. I think the Knicks should ask for Terrence Jones
too late. had to do it before the offer sheet was signed

[niko]

too late. had to do it before the offer sheet was signed
Even then not possible, we can only sign him for 24 million, below what he wants.

[boozehound]

Even then not possible, we can only sign him for 24 million, below what he wants.
or, perhaps more precisely, what he could get.

[niko]

or, perhaps more precisely, what he could get.
It doesn't change either way.

[Blue&Orange]

No team is biting on 1yr $15mil so easily unless 1. Lin in 2 years plays like a top PG 2. NYK are taking bad a bad contract.

Actually a team, the rockets, just offered Lin $15 millions for a season, how are you telling me no team is biting on 1yr $15 mil? It might count $8 mil for the cap, but rockets are paying $15 mil that season.

[Xiao Yao You]

Knicks will surrender their future by not matching Lin.

They've never been too concerned about their future.


Assuming Felton is in shape and doesnt look like Fat Albert (last season).

And not a cancer as him and his new/old teammate Camby were called this past season.

[GOBB]

Actually a team, the rockets, just offered Lin $15 millions for a season, how are you telling me no team is biting on 1yr $15 mil? It might count $8 mil for the cap, but rockets are paying $15 mil that season.

You tried to spin Lin deal as not so bad 2yrs $10mil then pretend they can easily move the final year $15mil to a team under the cap. So NYK will trade Lin to Houston in the 3rd year is what you are telling me. I laugh because Houston only did what they did to deny NYK from getting him. A 1yr $15mil deal is a different story. Houston wouldnt take back Lin unless he showed in those 2 years he was among the top PGs in the game. Otherwise NYK is eating a crappy deal in return. Lets be real here.

[niko]

You tried to spin Lin deal as not so bad 2yrs $10mil then pretend they can easily move the final year $15mil to a team under the cap. So NYK will trade Lin to Houston in the 3rd year is what you are telling me. I laugh because Houston only did what they did to deny NYK from getting him. A 1yr $15mil deal is a different story. Houston wouldnt take back Lin unless he showed in those 2 years he was among the top PGs in the game. Otherwise NYK is eating a crappy deal in return. Lets be real here.
It's Lin. There is no reality. I like him but i get it. Some of the others, I think they'd take him back maxed out.

[dgaras]

and im pissed off at dolan for being the worst owner ever. go die in a ditch

[GOBB]

and im pissed off at dolan for being the worst owner ever. go die in a ditch

All that because of 1 player he doesnt match (or atleast that is what might happen)? I hate the Knicks but looking at the roster? On paper its a deep team especially if they aquire Felton via S & T. You act like he let Lebron James walk. Or traded CP3 for rebuilder pieces. :confusedshrug:


It's Lin. There is no reality. I like him but i get it. Some of the others, I think they'd take him back maxed out.

:cheers:

[RazorBaLade]

http://www.dolan-duck.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/uss_dolan_duck_shit_gooby_pls1.e89th1sdvzwcgog8wgs s8cogg.6ylu316ao144c8c4woosog48w.th.jpeg

:lol

[StateOfMind12]

They've never been too concerned about their future.

Lin is not just their future but also their present. Lin is already better than Felton is and chances are that Lin may develop into a star player.

I actually don't care if Lin stays in NY anymore with the way Melo and JR have been treating him for the past 24 hours.

Knicks are going to regret not matching Lin, if they don't which I am starting to think now. I hope Lin turns into Steve Nash and completely destroys the Knicks every time he plays them.

[redhonda76]

This shouldn't have got out of hand of the Knicks were to first offer him a signin sheet in the first place. But instead, they didn't offer him anything yet and let him explore his valve. The Knicks couldn't have imagine the Rockets came up with that kind of deal. The Rockets are overpaying Lin on that deal, but if anyone in Lin's shoe would have done the same time. The Knicks underestimated this and screwed themselves up.

[Shepseskaf]

Knicks are going to regret not matching Lin, if they don't which I am starting to think now. I hope Lin turns into Steve Nash and completely destroys the Knicks every time he plays them.
:roll:

If hopes were horses, then beggars would ride.

I seriously doubt that the Knicks will ever regret not picking up a horrible contract for a player who has yet to prove himself on a consistent basis.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If Lin doesn't evolve into an elite player by the time year 3 rolls around you could still move him. It's just that you would have to deal him for a player whose team hates the player they're sending you's contract even more. A horribly disgruntled star would be the best case scenario. I heard matching this would put NY in line for 40 mil in luxury tax the third year. That's a pretty horrific number, but we're always hearing about how Dolan doesn't care about the money.

[AlonzoGOAT]

Knicks are a joke of a franchise no surprise there:applause:

[StateOfMind12]

LMAO how many championships do the heat have again? And how many do the knicks have? so i guess the heat are a joke by your logic too TITS OR GTFO.
Knicks won two titles in the 70s. Heat won two titles in the last 10 years, what an awful comparison.

I originally wanted Lin leave NYK when FA started but when I heard Kidd was signing with NYK I wanted Lin to stay so Kidd can tutor him. It's too bad that Lin may not even stay for NYK anymore and that Kidd will have to tutor Raymond Fatton instead.

If NYK doesn't match Lin's offer which is what I'm expecting at this point then I can't wait to see NYK boo Felton and Melo like crazy at the MSG.

All of this will be settled at the last hour anyways so we'll see Tuesday at 11:59 ET.

[niko]

The Knicks can afford it, but if they don't want him 100%, they won't pay it. It's funny, all summer Isola was writing Lin's attitude wasn't good, he heard he asked out of Game 5 last year, he was in Vegas with the Knicks there but deliberately avoided them, he blew off the US Select Team (the Knicks were thrilled he was going there, so he could learn) but managed to find time for the ESPY's etc. If any of you don't know, Isola is generally pretty critical at times so it seemed like he was just nitpicking.

But you see Lin go back one last time and not even inform the Knicks the offer changed. Maybe he wants out. Maybe he thinks he is a star and deserves that contract. That's ok, but if he's not all in, it's hard to see the Knicks paying that massive bill on his behalf.

Let me make this clear, i think the Knicks should match, and try later to figure out what works, and who to move. I think just dropping him now leaves us with less flexibility, and i think there is a chance Lin could become a better player. But this thought that the Knicks will die without him, where did that come from? The initial Linsanity was great, and he showed flashes after ,but his knee also broke down 26 games in.

[StateOfMind12]

But this thought that the Knicks will die without him, where did that come from? The initial Linsanity was great, and he showed flashes after ,but his knee also broke down 26 games in.
Do you really think with this team right now, the Knicks can compete?

I see another 1st round exit in the making if Lin doesn't play or stay with the Knicks next season. Lin has the potential to become a legit all-star, not the type of all-star that just gets voted in but a legitimate all-star that even coaches would be willing to select.

All I know is that Lin wouldn't just be the PG of the future for the Knicks but he would also be the PG of the present for them. Lin is better than Raymond Fatton will ever be so if you think the Knicks can compete with that dude at PG then good luck but don't be whining when you see the Knicks suck again next season and Felton, JR, and Melo all get booed in MSG because those three will be considered the main reasons why Lin won't come back.

[niko]

Do you really think with this team right now, the Knicks can compete?

I see another 1st round exit in the making if Lin doesn't play or stay with the Knicks next season. Lin has the potential to become a legit all-star, not the type of all-star that just gets voted in but a legitimate all-star that even coaches would be willing to select.

All I know is that Lin wouldn't just be the PG of the future for the Knicks but he would also be the PG of the present for them. Lin is better than Raymond Fatton will ever be so if you think the Knicks can compete with that dude at PG then good luck but don't be whining when you see the Knicks suck again next season and Felton, JR, and Melo all get booed in MSG because those three will be considered the main reasons why Lin won't come back.

i dont think we can win with our without him unless things really improve in some respects. And i get Dolan has shitloads of money. But this is no joke, its not even just $30M, there's other penalties on top of it that no one is bothering to calculate. I can't kill the Knicks for not wanting to pay someone who snuck behind them to get an offer to screw them over a giant payment.

[Shepseskaf]

The Knicks can afford it, but if they don't want him 100%, they won't pay it. It's funny, all summer Isola was writing Lin's attitude wasn't good, he heard he asked out of Game 5 last year, he was in Vegas with the Knicks there but deliberately avoided them, he blew off the US Select Team (the Knicks were thrilled he was going there, so he could learn) but managed to find time for the ESPY's etc. If any of you don't know, Isola is generally pretty critical at times so it seemed like he was just nitpicking.
The well has already been poisoned. Its reached a point where Lin realistically shouldn't come back to the Knicks.

I heard some of the same concerns about his attitude over the summer. It seemed to me that the Linsanity press clippings had boosted his ego to the point where he didn't feel the need to prove anything more before asking for a massive pay increase. A year of consistent performance would have done wonders for Lin in NY, but greed won the day.

A lot of people are failing to grasp the obvious in this situation. Much of what made Lin so attractive to non-basketball fans was his humble attitude and his underdog status.

Once he and his agent went on a money grabbing mission, and the arrogant way in which it was done, then many NYers said: "Oh, ok, he's just another spoiled, entitled, money-grubbing NBA player. We get it now".

The decision to attempt to play Houston off of the Knicks in order to get more cash will ultimately be seen in Lin's career the same way that The Decision marked LeBron's.

[boozehound]

i dont think we can win with our without him unless things really improve in some respects. And i get Dolan has shitloads of money. But this is no joke, its not even just $30M, there's other penalties on top of it that no one is bothering to calculate. I can't kill the Knicks for not wanting to pay someone who snuck behind them to get an offer to screw them over a giant payment.
you sound pretty butthurt. He didnt sneak anywhere. Jebus

[PP34Deuce]

Too many people are talking about Lin, lets remember the hell that is negotiating is the Agent. Lin wants to start and make the most money he can. His agents job is to ensure it happens. I believe Agents paint pictures of players when most players just care to Play and get paid, they arent in the room when Agents negotiate for them.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Raymond Felton is actually very serviceable. I can envision a 15/8 performance from him with the Knicks. Lin screwed the Knicks over and James was not going to play fetch and run after Lin. The contract is extremely ridiculous. Ballooning at 15 million in year three is absurd and if James kept Lin, the Knicks are likely done in three years anyways so it would be a waste to pay him 15 million that year alongside all the other huge contract the Knicks will pay in that final year (chandler, amare, melo). People are only making a big deal about it because any time a chance is presented to rag on the Knicks a person will take it.

[niko]

you sound pretty butthurt. He didnt sneak anywhere. Jebus

He went to Vegas to get his offer sheet. There was Knick mgmt there, he deliberately avoided them and his teammates. He got the offer sheet changed, did not inform Knick mgmt (nor his agent inform them) as they found out from a media leak.

He SNEAKED AROUND. I said i'd take him back in a second. But he deliberately kept anyone from anyone associated with the Knicks. How would you phrase it? Does it sound like he wants to stay 100%?

[niko]

Raymond Felton is actually very serviceable. I can envision a 15/8 performance from him with the Knicks. Lin screwed the Knicks over and James was not going to play fetch and run after Lin. The contract is extremely ridiculous. Ballooning at 15 million in year three is absurd and if James kept Lin, the Knicks are likely done in three years anyways so it would be a waste to pay him 15 million that year alongside all the other huge contract the Knicks will pay in that final year (chandler, amare, melo). People are only making a big deal about it because any time a chance is presented to rag on the Knicks a person will take it.
:cheers: No shit.

[AceManIII]

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lmfao :applause:

[Pointguard]

The well has already been poisoned. Its reached a point where Lin realistically shouldn't come back to the Knicks.

I heard some of the same concerns about his attitude over the summer. It seemed to me that the Linsanity press clippings had boosted his ego to the point where he didn't feel the need to prove anything more before asking for a massive pay increase. A year of consistent performance would have done wonders for Lin in NY, but greed won the day.

A lot of people are failing to grasp the obvious in this situation. Much of what made Lin so attractive to non-basketball fans was his humble attitude and his underdog status.

Once he and his agent went on a money grabbing mission, and the arrogant way in which it was done, then many NYers said: "Oh, ok, he's just another spoiled, entitled, money-grubbing NBA player. We get it now".

The decision to attempt to play Houston off of the Knicks in order to get more cash will ultimately be seen in Lin's career the same way that The Decision marked LeBron's.
A little worse for Lin because of his strong Christian stance and that he is still unproven. Lebron's decision was for less money. Lin definitely looks ungrateful and impatient about money - not very Christian at all. He greatly undervalued his marketing appeal cause he would have gotten much more money in NY if he was confident in his ability. But this move makes you think that he knows he isn't healing right. We gambled on him, he shined and he left before it got good for both of us. If he knows he ain't healthy - good looking out for the Knicks tho. :lol

[wang4three]

If the Knickis need another person to improve their efforts in the Taiwanese-American market, I'm available for 1/4th of Lin's contract. Not to mention I'm a local boy too.

[NumberSix]

A little worse for Lin because of his strong Christian stance and that he is still unproven. Lebron's decision was for less money. Lin definitely looks ungrateful and impatient about money - not very Christian at all. He greatly undervalued his marketing appeal cause he would have gotten much more money in NY if he was confident in his ability. But this move makes you think that he knows he isn't healing right. We gambled on him, he shined and he left before it got good for both of us. If he knows he ain't healthy - good looking out for the Knicks tho. :lol
He's not confident. He knows fully well that he's a fraud. This dude wouldn't even play in the playoffs because he knew Miami would expose him and cut his imaginary value in half (at least).

[niko]

If the Knickis need another person to improve their efforts in the Taiwanese-American market, I'm available for 1/4th of Lin's contract. Not to mention I'm a local boy too.
If we make you an offer are you going to change it last second? That is frowned upon.

[StateOfMind12]

This dude wouldn't even play in the playoffs because he knew Miami would expose him and cut his imaginary value in half (at least).
He didn't play in the playoffs because Melo and Chandler told Lin to not risk the injury to make it worse.


i dont think we can win with our without him unless things really improve in some respects. And i get Dolan has shitloads of money. But this is no joke, its not even just $30M, there's other penalties on top of it that no one is bothering to calculate. I can't kill the Knicks for not wanting to pay someone who snuck behind them to get an offer to screw them over a giant payment.
Lin can get the Knicks further than Felton can and without Lin at all. Lin doesn't stop the Knicks from signing and getting other FAs so I really don't know what the big deal is. About every Knick players contract ends in 2014-2015 when Lin's contract ends so there is plenty of time.

[westside_baller]

The odd thing is, even though the EC is in terrible shape, I think there is STILL a possibility that the Knicks miss the playoffs. They are terrible at the point, quite old, and with a key injury or two of any note, they could wind up a sub 500 club.

[spiegel]

I cant wait till we play the Knicks at the Garden and watch Lin&Howard pick an roll in action. Also watchout for the Lin an Lamb backcourt folks.

[pejavelin]

he is still going to be valuable. in 3 years he is going to be an expirer. if he doesnt live up to the hype in the next season you can ship him somewhere else. Its not like you are stuck with him for eternity. If he is good ny keeps him.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Apparently Lin is not that valuable to Knicks, I expect him to be a Rocket by Wednesday.

[Pointguard]

Lin can get the Knicks further than Felton can and without Lin at all. Lin doesn't stop the Knicks from signing and getting other FAs so I really don't know what the big deal is. About every Knick players contract ends in 2014-2015 when Lin's contract ends so there is plenty of time.

To me, the biggest shock is that he told the Knicks a wrong figure, he seemingly schemed with Houston (timing), he worked with Houston to make it hard on the Knicks, he seemed totally a different guy than what we thought he was... ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

I was at the first game when he broke out. It was like cheering on a guy that came up from the ashes. Like giving the homeless a home and then finding out he had Sparticus ability (Lin probably got the guy who housed him shipped out the country). He belonged and we felt like part of the process. He slowed us down and said hold on, "you should know that I'm a hardcore Christian" and we cheered:"whatever you are Lin, we are too! as long as you ain't talking celebacy." We gave him our hearts and dreams :lol Linsanity demands that you leave the sane world for the madness of Lin. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Now it reminds me of this fable.

"If you put me inside your shirt," the snake said, "your body will make me warm, I then can have the strenght to do what I do, and I won't freeze to death."

So the farmer had compassion on the snake, and taking it up, he put it inside his shirt. The warmth quickly revived the snake, and resuming its natural instincts, it bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound. "Oh," cried the farmer with his last breath, "why did you bite me?"

"Ah," said the snake. "So I did. But you knew I was a snake when you picked me up."

[wang4three]

If we make you an offer are you going to change it last second? That is frowned upon.

Make me the offer and I'll get back to you on that.

[T-Time3]

If he is no good ny keeps him.
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