NBA players are upset an Asian 2nd year player received a big contract

[28renyoy]

This is all it comes down too. Were they complaining when rookie Wesley Matthews received a 5 year 33.4 million dollar contract despite having nowhere near the type of season Lin had? Absolutely not. Also Lin will be well worth the risk as he will bring in the entire Asian market leading to millions in revenue.

[RazorBaLade]

How much does melo make per year?

or rather

lebron makes 18 mil a year or so
wade 16 mil?

Lin would make 15 mil.

its kind of crazy from a pure basketball standpoint.

[LebronsHeadband]

I really doubt that they give a shit that he's asian. If anything, I think most players just don't like the "press" and attention he is getting.

[Real Men Wear Green]

We've only heard one player that was truly upset with Lin (Smith). Melo only said the way it was backloaded was ridiculous. And it kind of is (that's what Houston had to do to keep him).

[28renyoy]

How much does melo make per year?

or rather

lebron makes 18 mil a year or so
wade 16 mil?

Lin would make 15 mil.

its kind of crazy from a pure basketball standpoint.

He's making 15 million for 1 season and 5 million for the other 2. Nothing about that is ridiculous if he can continue to average 14/5 with the type of buzz/attention he brings to the team

[AK47DR91]

How much does melo make per year?

or rather

lebron makes 18 mil a year or so
wade 16 mil?

Lin would make 15 mil.

its kind of crazy from a pure basketball standpoint.
Melo makes $20, 22 and 24 for each of the next three seasons. Way overpaid!

Lin would be making $5M, $5.23M, $14.8M and about $4M in four years. Not that ridiculous if he's still a tradeable asset on the 3rd year. I don't doubt that would be teams who are willing to trade for him, even to take on that $14.8M, on his market value alone.

[PejaNowitzki]

This is all it comes down too. Were they complaining when rookie Wesley Matthews received a 5 year 33.4 million dollar contract despite having nowhere near the type of season Lin had? Absolutely not. Also Lin will be well worth the risk as he will bring in the entire Asian market leading to millions in revenue.


It's all about drawing power, Lin would be worth 20 mil a year if you're looking at it from strictly a financial point of view, he engages the Asian demographic moreso than anyone else, your performance on the floor is one thing but if you have the ability to simply draw people, which Lin does, you can make your franchise A LOT of money that way and ultimately that is what it comes down to, JR Smith is madder than a mother****er because he couldn't even draw flies if he was a 6 day old corpse.


Nobody is dropping $200 to go see JR Smith or tuning in to the Knicks game to see what kind of numbers his sorry ass is putting up, he mad as **** yo.

[spiegel]

This is all it comes down too. Were they complaining when rookie Wesley Matthews received a 5 year 33.4 million dollar contract despite having nowhere near the type of season Lin had? Absolutely not. Also Lin will be well worth the risk as he will bring in the entire Asian market leading to millions in revenue.
LOL OK RG

[lakersfan2046]

This is all it comes down too. Were they complaining when rookie Wesley Matthews received a 5 year 33.4 million dollar contract despite having nowhere near the type of season Lin had? Absolutely not. Also Lin will be well worth the risk as he will bring in the entire Asian market leading to millions in revenue.

Sure. The old racism card! Never fails. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Lin is overrated. Kid had a nice story but next year it will be all about basketball. He is a pg averaging 5 turnovers a night. Sucks. I don't care what color he is, the kid is average. You think Asians will care about him when he plays in god forsaken Houston and averages 5 turnovers? Doubt it. They will be too busy discussing Lebron vs. Kobe just like the rest of us

[martycrane]

This is all it comes down too. Were they complaining when rookie Wesley Matthews received a 5 year 33.4 million dollar contract despite having nowhere near the type of season Lin had? Absolutely not. Also Lin will be well worth the risk as he will bring in the entire Asian market leading to millions in revenue.


i think its more bout the fact he gets so much attention, largely bc hes an azn player in a league wit so few historically, then add the lil streak they went on and that its new york, media obv made a huge deal bout it. truth is if it was a black player who came from obscurity n did the exact same thing against bad teams with the same stats for a few games, thered be no insanity or nothin. itd be mentioned but def no phenomenon.

plus im sure carmelo n jr smif in paticulor dont wanna play wit lin. hes gonna spread the ball all around but those two just wanna shoot. so combine two low iq black players with a guy gettin a ton of love for bein azn (cuz he really aint that good) and yeah, not a good mix

[RazorBaLade]

I dont think anyones saying the 5 or 8 mil in one year is crazy!

Its just the fact that there will be a season in the future on a total gamble that hes making lebron, melo, cp3 type money for a full year

[Sarcastic]

We've only heard one player that was truly upset with Lin (Smith). Melo only said the way it was backloaded was ridiculous. And it kind of is (that's what Houston had to do to keep him).

I am sure only JR Smith and Carmelo Anthony are the only players that have opinions on the subject. :rolleyes:

More like they are the only ones that were asked since they were on the same team.

[50inchvertical]

He didn't have a great "season," he had a great 20 game stretch. A guy getting that type of deal like that IS ridiculous.

It is also questionable whether or not he will fit in the new coach's system (and allegedly Woods doesn't like his game) as successfully.

In terms of the earning power he provides, I would make that deal in a second but it's a terrible basketball move.

He can't go left, turns the ball over at a record pace, and guys on other teams will be gunning for him because of the hype.

[TheBigVeto]

I really doubt that they give a shit that he's asian. If anything, I think most players just don't like the "press" and attention he is getting.

Oh they do, it's racism at its finest.

[Reverend Hoops]

Since you bring race into it, out of nowhere black players with a phenomenal 10 game run has been done before in the NBA. Not one got near the contract Lin got.

[50inchvertical]

Since you bring race into it, out of nowhere black players with a phenomenal 10 game run has been done before in the NBA. Not one got near the contract Lin got.
nor the press, see Ronald "Flip" Murray

[BrooklynZoo]

How much does melo make per year?

or rather

lebron makes 18 mil a year or so
wade 16 mil?

Lin would make 15 mil.

its kind of crazy from a pure basketball standpoint.

5+5+14=24

24/3=8

even without the whole marketing thing, you could make an argument that its fair. once you add the whole linsanity factor, 8 doesnt look so bad does it? :biggums:

[BrooklynZoo]

Since you bring race into it, out of nowhere black players with a phenomenal 10 game run has been done before in the NBA. Not one got near the contract Lin got.


in the 5 seconds i thought about it...jerome james?

[L.Kizzle]

in the 5 seconds i thought about it...jerome james?
Jerome James never had a good stretch, Knicks were just stupid (as usual.)

[The Choken One]

Best part about all this is Lin is worth about 5 mil a year...if that. They're going to be regretting that contract in a few months.

[28renyoy]

Since you bring race into it, out of nowhere black players with a phenomenal 10 game run has been done before in the NBA. Not one got near the contract Lin got.

2.8 billion asians in the world. ~40 million african americans in the world. who do you think has a larger following? it's all about money, welcome to the real world

[boozehound]

This is all it comes down too. Were they complaining when rookie Wesley Matthews received a 5 year 33.4 million dollar contract despite having nowhere near the type of season Lin had? Absolutely not. Also Lin will be well worth the risk as he will bring in the entire Asian market leading to millions in revenue.
isnt he a 3rd year player?

[boozehound]

Best part about all this is Lin is worth about 5 mil a year...if that. They're going to be regretting that contract in a few months.
why is that? thats what it is for the first two years. Besides, they way they structure these things for the bidding team, his contact is averaged over the 3 years for the offering team, meaning hes basically an 8 million cap hit, but a 15 million trading chip for houston in year 3.

[BrooklynZoo]

Since you bring race into it, out of nowhere black players with a phenomenal 10 game run has been done before in the NBA. Not one got near the contract Lin got.

Jeremy Lin was an undrafted asian guy out of Harvard, who was cut 2 times in a couple of months and was about to be cut again before he got a chance to play against the Nets. On a storied franchise that hasn't won shit for the past decade, Lin came in and avged about 25ppg, 8apg over approx 10 games (including the 37 on Kobe's "who's Jeremy Lin" Lakers, game winners vs the raptors) and had a franchise on the verge of disaster, rolling. Add the whole religion angle, a catchy name and you have Linsanity. Yet you always hear that black guy saying "us blacks dont get the attention he does" when 99% of NBA fans have a black dude as their favorite player SMH:facepalm

[50inchvertical]

2.8 billion asians in the world. ~40 million african americans in the world. who do you think has a larger following? it's all about money, welcome to the real world
So you counted all Asians, but then only African Americans? :oldlol:

[BrooklynZoo]

Jerome James never had a good stretch, Knicks were just stupid (as usual.)

you obviously werent payin attention to the playoff run he had which is what landed him the contract. Its ok for them to be stupid when paying a black guy but its a problem when hes asian?

[boozehound]

Jerome James never had a good stretch, Knicks were just stupid (as usual.)
grasshopper, how quickly you forget the sonics last playoff run. dude was garbage man, even had a cape made out of a hefty bag.

[50inchvertical]

you obviously werent payin attention to the playoff run he had which is what landed him the contract. Its ok for them to be stupid when paying a black guy but its a problem when hes asian?
His contract was stupid too and everyone is saying that, so what are you even trying to argue about? Nobody is saying Jerome James deal was a smart decision.

[boozehound]

His contract was stupid too and everyone is saying that, so what are you even trying to argue about? Nobody is saying Jerome James deal was a smart decision.
the point is, other players (on his own team) werent talking about what a terrible contract it was. For the most part, players have toed the union line that any contact is not a topic of discussion. For players on his own (past) team to call it ridiculous is a new (and, frankly, unprofessional) avenue. I am sure Billy Hunter is livid at this.

[BrooklynZoo]

His contract was stupid too and everyone is saying that, so what are you even trying to argue about? Nobody is saying Jerome James deal was a smart decision.

yes, but it wasnt a race issue cause he was black, now that someone who isnt black gets a deal its a problem?

[BrooklynZoo]

and its reallly ridiculous to even compare Lins potential to jerome james and flip murray.

Lin also makes whatever team hes on tons of cash. If a NBA player or fan is too dumb to realize that, then that's their problem

[Sarcastic]

the point is, other players (on his own team) werent talking about what a terrible contract it was. For the most part, players have toed the union line that any contact is not a topic of discussion. For players on his own (past) team to call it ridiculous is a new (and, frankly, unprofessional) avenue. I am sure Billy Hunter is livid at this.

The only reason you know what JR Smith said about it is that a reporter was near him when the story came out.

[jlip]

We've only heard one player that was truly upset with Lin (Smith). Melo only said the way it was backloaded was ridiculous. And it kind of is (that's what Houston had to do to keep him).

^This^

[b0bab0i]

You mean Third year?
He was in the 2010 draft.

[DKLaker]

Dumbass millionaires b!tchng about how much someone else is getting paid......they need to look at the poor economy of america and count their blessings. You don't see Mark Cuban or Donald Trump crying about Bill Gates. There will always be someone who has more than you....move on.

[Derka]

If this is true, players have no business being pissed at Lin. He's just a guy getting money thrown at him...not a single one of these guys would say shit if it was him standing in Lin's shoes.

NBA players SHOULD be looking at owners and GMs, saying "You assholes just locked us out, f*cked our season up, put us through the most grueling season in recent memory that injured the living f*ck out of half of this league's players and put the rest of us at extremely increased injury risk...all because you cried up and down to Stern that you were losing too much money. But please, continue to throw ridiculous pay days at low level players, bitch that stars don't want to play for your franchises...and then tell everyone in the world that the real issue was a few points of BRI. And by the way, f*ck you."

[bluechox2]

does houston really think dwight will stay in houston?

[The Iron Fist]

Since you bring race into it, out of nowhere black players with a phenomenal 10 game run has been done before in the NBA. Not one got near the contract Lin got.
and out of nowhere, Black players got drafted and signed based on "pure athleticism".

http://newspaper.li/static/9113434765514b195e3883facf677c50.jpg

I'm more than sure there was a non Black kid out there who didn't jump as high but had a better all around game that was overlooked.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I think people get annoyed at the overexposure for Lin, much like Tebow(although I don't think much of Tebow as a player, and get sick of hearing about his religion), but that's another matter. Even as a Knick, I have to say the Lin hype was excessive and knew he wouldn't keep up that level, but it was a cool story, coming out of nowhere and sparking a disappointing Knick team. of course many others get into the whole Oriental kid from Harvard, which admittedly, is very unusual in the NBA. But not that interesting to me.

[Pinkhearts]

Knicks should have just offered him 8.5 million a year.

Problem would not have existed.

[willds09]

and out of nowhere, Black players got drafted and signed based on "pure athleticism".

http://newspaper.li/static/9113434765514b195e3883facf677c50.jpg

I'm more than sure there was a non Black kid out there who didn't jump as high but had a better all around game that was overlooked.
damn shame smh miles could of been something

[wally_world]

He sells tickets and jerseys, that alone is enough to warrant his contract

[JohnnySic]

LOL @ the Rockets way overpaying Lin just because a lot of people who share his ethnic persuasion will buy a lot of borax. Way to put a winning team on the court. And then people scoff about the NBA being like the WWE...

[9512]

Sure. The old racism card! Never fails. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Lin is overrated. Kid had a nice story but next year it will be all about basketball. He is a pg averaging 5 turnovers a night. Sucks. I don't care what color he is, the kid is average. You think Asians will care about him when he plays in god forsaken Houston and averages 5 turnovers? Doubt it. They will be too busy discussing Lebron vs. Kobe just like the rest of us

I know right? Racism doesn't exist anymore. At least from White People.

asians, blacks, and hispanics are the new racists! sarcasm

But I think jeremy lin (as an asian player) is a good player for an asian guy. Five Turnovers is a lot but I think as an asian player jeremy lin will have to improve that.

[willds09]

I know right? Racism doesn't exist anymore. At least from White People.

asians, blacks, and hispanics are the new racists! sarcasm

But I think jeremy lin (as an asian player) is a good player for an asian guy. Five Turnovers is a lot but I think as an asian player jeremy lin will have to improve that.
man u need help talkin like dat

[niko]

Knicks should have just offered him 8.5 million a year.

Problem would not have existed.
We are not allowed to.

[noosaman]

He didn't have a great "season," he had a great 20 game stretch. A guy getting that type of deal like that IS ridiculous.

It is also questionable whether or not he will fit in the new coach's system (and allegedly Woods doesn't like his game) as successfully.

In terms of the earning power he provides, I would make that deal in a second but it's a terrible basketball move.

He can't go left, turns the ball over at a record pace, and guys on other teams will be gunning for him because of the hype.

The only reason his stretch ended was because of carmelo anthony's return. if the knicks just got rid of anthony and built around the rest of the guys they could contend in the East

[noosaman]

I love it when people say he only gets credit because he's azn.

if this guy were black he wouldn't have received ZERO DI offers despite leading his team to a California state championship, and he would have been given every single opportunity to succeed in the NBA. Anyone who denies this is delusional.

[AK47DR91]

I love it when people say he only gets credit because he's azn.

if this guy were black he wouldn't have received ZERO DI offers despite leading his team to a California state championship, and he would have been given every single opportunity to succeed in the NBA. Anyone who denies this is delusional.
Yeah, it should go both ways.

If he has a huge fanbase because of his race, then his detractors are also doubting him because of his race.

[swi7ch]

Knicks weren't winning with Melo.
Knicks weren't winning with Amare.
Knicks weren't winning with Melo and Amare.

However...

Knicks were winning with Lin.

Was it 10-0 including wins against DAL and LAL and other teams with winning records?

It's easy to figure out who gets the most money. The guy who provides the 'W' and is marketable.

[nashwade]

Houston must have made loads of money from Yao to realise what a gem an Asian NBA player is

putting Winning aside, sale of worldwide merchandise makes sense by itself

more than 1.3 billion people in China, EXCLUDING the rest of Asia. if half of those people paid $1 each for a Lin keychain, you bag half a billion. I think the math on this one is easy

now, who the hell buys Smith's jerseys?

[Shepseskaf]

The bottom line for me with Lin is that you CANNOT let fans run your franchise. Dolan is making a solid basketball and fiscal decision here. It has nothing to do with Lin's race. He simply isn't worth the money, and would handcuff the team's ability to make moves in the future.

Felton is far cheaper and a better fit for the roster. What's to decide?

If Dolan caves, he'll be setting a very dangerous precedent by yielding to fan pressure (if indeed there is any real fan pressure).

[nightprowler10]

The bottom line for me with Lin is that you CANNOT let fans run your franchise. Dolan is making a solid basketball and fiscal decision here. It has nothing to do with Lin's race. He simply isn't worth the money, and would handcuff the team's ability to make moves in the future.

Felton is far cheaper and a better fit for the roster. What's to decide?

If Dolan caves, he'll be setting a very dangerous precedent by yielding to fan pressure (if indeed there is any real fan pressure).
While I agree it's the right decision, how is Felton a better fit than Lin?

[Sarcastic]

Derrick Rose first 4 seasons: $4.8m, $5.1m, $5.5m, $6.9m.

With that said, the Knicks should still match and try to trade him in year 3.

[AK47DR91]

Derrick Rose first 4 seasons: $4.8m, $5.1m, $5.5m, $6.9m.

With that said, the Knicks should still match and try to trade him in year 3.
That's why they made the "Derrick Rose Rookie Salary" reconstruction option during the CBA negotiation.

You have your Derrick Rose's and Blake Griffin's of the world but you also have your Greg Oden's and Hasheem Thabeet's, so you gotta make a balance that's fair to the Rose's and the GM's who pick the Oden's.

[tontoz]

The bottom line for me with Lin is that you CANNOT let fans run your franchise. Dolan is making a solid basketball and fiscal decision here. It has nothing to do with Lin's race. He simply isn't worth the money, and would handcuff the team's ability to make moves in the future.

Felton is far cheaper and a better fit for the roster. What's to decide?

If Dolan caves, he'll be setting a very dangerous precedent by yielding to fan pressure (if indeed there is any real fan pressure).


A dangerous precedent? Have you forgotten the Isiah years?

:roll:

Dolan's history is full of bad contracts.

[Shepseskaf]

While I agree it's the right decision, how is Felton a better fit than Lin?
Felton is a better fit because he's an experienced point guard who can get the ball to Amare (who he worked with with before) and Melo.

Lin is a scoring guard who's trying to learn to play point, thus the turnovers and the ball not being delivered the way it should.

The Knicks have more than enough scorers. What the team needs is a set-up man. That's Felton, not Lin.

[Shepseskaf]

A dangerous precedent? Have you forgotten the Isiah years?

:roll:

Dolan's history is full of bad contracts.
What I meant by 'a dangerous precedent' is that management is forced to cater to a fan base by not making good organizational decisions. See: Tebow in Denver.

I remember the Isiah years. You know what? People actually can learn from their mistakes and not keep repeating them. Just because Dolan has been lousy in the past doesn't mean he can't change at some point.

Let's hope this is the crossroad right now, by saying 'no' to a bad Lin contract.

[Yung D-Will]

It's amazing. Shake spent all last season hating on Rubio even when he was playing at a Roty level, and claiming that Lin was a superior player to Rubio.

Now without Rubio to hate on he's hating on Lin an basiclly making him out to be a scrub.

So if Lin was a scrub what was Rubio when he was the clear second place for roty?


Lin is a better player, but the matchup should be real interesting.

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=251520&page=2

Just to confirm I'm not making it up.

So if Lin is better than Rubio. Yet Lin is a scrub. Whiles at the same time Rubio was second for roty for most of the season.

I'm confused :confusedshrug:

[AK47DR91]

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=251520&page=2

Just to confirm I'm not making it up.

So if Lin is better than Rubio. Yet Lin is a scrub. Whiles at the same time Rubio was second for roty for most of the season.

I'm confused :confusedshrug:
Damn. Just read the following pages to that thread. Shep was on Lin's dick like he had yellow fever.

Now he's hopping off the bandwagon cuz Linsanity Hype died. What a bitch! :oldlol:

[chocolatethunder]

Since you bring race into it, out of nowhere black players with a phenomenal 10 game run has been done before in the NBA. Not one got near the contract Lin got.
Jerome James had one playoff series
/thread

[Yung D-Will]

Damn. Just read the following pages to that thread. Shep was on Lin's dick like he had yellow fever.

Now he's hopping off the bandwagon cuz Linsanity Hype died. What a bitch! :oldlol:
I'm honestly confused, was Lin just his scapegoat to degrade Rubio's success, or did he do a complete 180 all together?

[Yung D-Will]

And will Kidd play at the 2 with Lin on the floor or something?

[Da KO King]

They are upset cause people started locking his ass up after he was "exposed" against Miami. People are upset because unlike other players that get reward for short stints of play, Lin's run was NOT in the playoffs; it began in February and ended in March.

In the end I believe the Knicks will match in the eleventh hour, doesn't mean Lin is worth that contract.

All the marketing talk has nothing to do with on the court ability and until I get a check from it as a fan I do not care. Jeremy Lin as a basketball player is not worth $25 million over three seasons.

[Shepseskaf]

Damn. Just read the following pages to that thread. Shep was on Lin's dick like he had yellow fever.

Now he's hopping off the bandwagon cuz Linsanity Hype died. What a bitch! :oldlol:
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