When will people realize 00s is the weakest era?

[PistolPete44]

It didn't finally hit me till people here show respect to FMVPs like kobe , parker, wade and billups

No team in this era was able to dominate ( maybe spurs but meh, ) except lakers in the 3 peat years. But you guys do realize they faced EXTREMELY WEAK COMPETITIONS in the finals ? PACERS?? Who the hell is Jalen Rose?? Then 76ers and nets, both are teams full of scrubs

Same goes to the second weakest era : 74 - 79

Conclusion:
The likes of Tony Parker ,Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant are VASTLY OVERRATED, and they won multiple rings playing in the weakest era ever

[Punpun]

Dey see me trollin', dey laughin'.

:yaohappy:

[willds09]

it was all about shaq,kobe, and iverson

[miller-time]

the middle part got a bit stale, but once the celtics big 3 came together it picked back up.

[willds09]

the middle part got a bit stale, but once the celtics big 3 came together it picked back up.
yea tha celtics started dat cheating with tha big 3 superstars:facepalm

[LEFT4DEAD]

Yes, I also think that 00s is one of the weakest eras ever, right there with 70s, but I dont underestimate players who won in this era too. I also think that '10s will be the strongest era ever.

[willds09]

Yes, I also think that 00s is one of the weakest eras ever, right there with 70s, but I dont underestimate players who won in this era too. I also think that '10s might be the strongest era ever.
yea stronger but not deserving especially with tha miami cheat who dont deserve it at all

[Batz]

Where's ShaqAttack when you need him...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oh the irony :roll:

[rawimpact]

Last two of jordan's rings the eastern playoff average win/loss ratio was 1.67, the average for the teams making the western playoffs the years kobe won his last two is 1.71.

Weak era? lol

[GOBB_Junior]

yea stronger but not deserving especially with tha miami cheat who dont deserve it at all


What are you talking about fruit cake?

[I LUV KOBE]

It didn't finally hit me till people here show respect to FMVPs like kobe , parker, wade and billups

No team in this era was able to dominate ( maybe spurs but meh, ) except lakers in the 3 peat years. But you guys do realize they faced EXTREMELY WEAK COMPETITIONS in the finals ? PACERS?? Who the hell is Jalen Rose?? Then 76ers and nets, both are teams full of scrubs

Same goes to the second weakest era : 74 - 79

Conclusion:
The likes of Tony Parker ,Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant are VASTLY OVERRATED, and they won multiple rings playing in the weakest era ever
:no:

60s and 70s - weakest era
80s - worst defensive era
90s - watered down era
00s - best defensive era

OP is ******

[willds09]

:rolleyes:

[willds09]

What are you talking about fruit cake?
naw u tha ****** standing up for dem miami cheat cheatin ass ni66az:durantunimpressed:

[GOBB_Junior]

naw u tha ****** standing up for dem miami cheat cheatin ass ni66az:durantunimpressed:

Then stop acting like a sore loser! It's almost 1 month since the Heat won their 2nd NBA Championship.

[rawimpact]

naw u tha ****** standing up for dem miami cheat cheatin ass ni66az:durantunimpressed:

ignore his dumbass... how can anyone call anyone else a fruitcake when their whole username is based on another members ****.

[willds09]

Then stop acting like a sore loser! It's almost 1 month since the Heat won their 2nd NBA Championship.
aight GOBB jr :oldlol: did they deserve it?? tell me how they deserve dat ish? i be waiting:lol

[willds09]

ignore his dumbass... how can anyone call anyone else a fruitcake when their whole username is based on another members ****.
thats sad:oldlol:

[brantonli]

Let's be honest, this decade had some rather odd champions: Miami in 06, Dallas in 11, and Pistons in 04. Those will be chips that people will look back and go 'Huh? When did those teams win championships???'

[BoutPractice]

The 00s don't make sense as an "era", there were at least three eras in the decade.

After Jordan's retirement, competition clustered in the western conference. So the western conference was highly competitive (despite what the 3 peat would have you think), with great teams such as the Spurs, Lakers, Blazers, Kings and Mavs, while the eastern conference allowed teams like the 01 Sixers to get to the finals.
In addition to this imbalance, the league was plagued by a me-first, low percentage style of play (helped by slightly better defense).
Still, the early 00s had several truly dominant players whereas the 70s only really had one. 3 early 00s players are mainstays in pretty much everyone's all time top 10. Early-mid 00s were also the absolute golden age of skilled power forwards, with Duncan, KG, Dirk and Webber, among others.
Overall, the early 00s were below average to average.

The playoffs got better in the mid 00s when the Pistons emerged as a dominant team and Shaq went East, leading to a Heat championship. Lebron's Cavs also made the East more exciting than usual.
Meanwhile, the great teams of the West managed to stay great, led by San Antonio, Phoenix and Dallas. Phoenix was also instrumental in making passing the ball cool again.
Overall, the mid 00s were fairly strong.

But the turning point that ushered in the current era was the formation of the Celtics Big 3, followed by the Gasol trade. They paved the way for a new, "top heavy" league with at least one HOF laden team that played unselfish, winning basketball in each conference. It didn't hurt that those teams were the Lakers and the Celtics.
Nonetheless, while team competition was great in those years, some of the league's best and most exciting players, particularly LeBron and Wade, were stuck on non-competitive teams.
Overall, the late 00s were very strong.

The current era could be one of the strongest ever provided OKC can stay together and superstars continue teaming up (I'd rather have duos than big 3s though), particularly with Dwight so that the Heat is challenged at the top.

In general, I find that the NBA is at its best when competition is oligopolistic in nature - 4 or 5 regular contenders with great star power and or/depth, led by 2 or 3 Olympic roster type monsters, occasionally joined by a hungry up-and-comer.

[willds09]

Let's be honest, this decade had some rather odd champions: Miami in 06, Dallas in 11, and Pistons in 04. Those will be chips that people will look back and go 'Huh? When did those teams win championships???'
how iz 2011 in tha 00s?:biggums:

[BoutPractice]

Also, the only odd champion in that list is Miami.
As I said, Detroit was a truly dominant team, winning the title, getting to the Finals twice and seemingly never losing before the ECF. As for Dallas, just look at their run and the opponents they beat.

[Math2]

Yes, I also think that 00s is one of the weakest eras ever, right there with 70s, but I dont underestimate players who won in this era too. I also think that '10s will be the strongest era ever.

Agree with first part, think 90s was as weak as 70s, and strongly disagree with '10s will be strong. What, Kevin Durant? :roll:

[gengiskhan]

It didn't finally hit me till people here show respect to FMVPs like kobe , parker, wade and billups

No team in this era was able to dominate ( maybe spurs but meh, ) except lakers in the 3 peat years. But you guys do realize they faced EXTREMELY WEAK COMPETITIONS in the finals ? PACERS?? Who the hell is Jalen Rose?? Then 76ers and nets, both are teams full of scrubs

Same goes to the second weakest era : 74 - 79

Conclusion:
The likes of Tony Parker ,Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant are VASTLY OVERRATED, and they won multiple rings playing in the weakest era ever

very well said.

If Olaijuwon, Ewing's Knicks, Stockton's Jazz, Reggie's Pacers. [peyton's kemp's sonics even '80s well balanced Cavaliers were in '00s NBA, I dont see Parker, Duncan & particularly Kobe winning rings.

Their game is good but not great. Kobe actually undermines his own players & his skillset is highly overrated because of the '00 era he played in.

I can see Blazers, Knicks, Pacers, Jazz, Sonics all wining 1-2 championships in '00 decade.

the competition really got diluted post 1999 lockout.

The drought of centers, power forwards, sissy defensive rules all helped overrating of Parker, Nash, Duncan, Rondo, Kobe even Lebron.

Lemme put it in even simpler terms, In '80s & '90s decade, You'll never see a 1-month "LINSANITY" in '80s & '90s decade who can easily get 4 yrs/30 mil contract after playing only 25 reg sea games & ZERO games in POs.

This is a height of NBA dilution. The golden era of NBA is long gone.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Agree with first part, think 90s was as weak as 70s, and strongly disagree with '10s will be strong. What, Kevin Durant? :roll:
Its not about individuals leading teams to championships anymore. Im not talking about that (even though the talent in this era is not even a bit weaker than in any other, and you dont know how big talents will enter the league through draft).

I want to say, I dont remember the last time this league had so many stacked teams in the both conferences. You have Miami, Nets(with Howard maybe) Bulls, Knicks, Celtics, Pacers and couple of young teams that are about to rise huge in couple of years on the East, and stacked West as always with Spurs, OKC, Lakers as the main candidates to win it all. Its not anymore just about west or east. Both conferences are very stacked with good teams and competition is on an all time high level in my opinion.

[willds09]

Its not about individuals leading teams to championships anymore. Im not talking about that (even though the talent in this era is not even a bit weaker than in any other, and you dont know how big talents will enter the league through draft).

I want to say, I dont remember the last time this league had so many stacked teams in the both conferences. You have Miami, Nets(with Howard maybe) Bulls, Knicks, Celtics, Pacers and couple of young teams that are about to rise huge in couple of years on the East, and stacked West as always with Spurs, OKC, Lakers as the main candidates to win it all. Its not anymore just about west or east. Both conferences are very stacked with good teams and competition is on an all time high level in my opinion.
but alot of teamz is not gonna see tha playoffs for years, looking forward to drafts and what not

[BlackVVaves]

Dey see me trollin', dey laughin'.

:yaohappy:

:roll:

[G.O.A.T]

:no:

60s and 70s - weakest era
80s - worst defensive era
90s - watered down era
00s - best defensive era

OP is ******

60's was one of the strongest eras in league history.

The early 70's were watered down by expansion and the battle between the leagues.

The late seventies were riddled with substance abuse and the sorting out of things after the merger

The 80's were the era with the highest concentration of talent in league history. 23 teams was just right for that time. And I don't think it was as much the defense was bad as it was the officiating was better. Players literally foul on every play in the paint today.

90's was watered down by expansion. Tons of talent at the top, but too big of contracts to soon killed most of the star power from the 1988-1992 rookie classes. A lot of real bad teams at the bottom of the league.

00's has the largest talent pool in NBA history, but salary cap and other restrictions have left every team incomplete. Basketball is getting dangerously close to football level parity. That would suck.

[BlackVVaves]

The Western Conference was by far a melting pot for competition, with the Spurs, Lakers, Blazers, Kings, Mavs, Rockets with Yao and T-Mac, and Suns all extremely good teams. The Lakers got to the Finals in that same Conference 6 times while the Spurs got there 3 times, exhibiting sustained dominance as top notch organizations boasting superstars in Shaq, Kobe, and Duncan who have carved themselves slots in the Top 10 All Time list.

Yet OP wants to discredit them and their teams. We aren't talking about the Miami Heat of 2006, who got to the Finals one sole year in one of the weakest times for the weaker conference over the last 12 years. We are talking about the Lakers and Spurs, Shaq, Kobe and Duncan. The face of the Western Conference, and really NBA, for 10+ years.

Some of you people would say anything to disqualify certain player's accomplishments to diminish their great play and help you sleep at night.

Pathetic.

[miles berg]

'94-'99 was the weakest era I've seen personally. I started watching in '80.

'94-'99 was absolute hot garbage

[willds09]

'94-'99 was the weakest era I've seen personally. I started watching in '80.

'94-'99 was absolute hot garbage
96-98 was good, but 94, 95 and 99 i agree with u

[necya]

just compare allstar roster of each year or even all nba 1st and 2nd team.
it's been 15 years that nba sucks :(

[AK47DR91]

1999-2007(Post-Jordan Era) was the second weakest era behind the mid-to-late 70's.

Since 2008-present(the Big 3 Formation Era) has been great.

[willds09]

1

Since 2008-present(the Big 3 Formation Era) has been great.
except for celtics and heat

[IGotACoolStory]

Part of the reason the beginning of the 00 era appears weak is because all the talent was in one conference. I mean there wasn't even a contender on the east during the Shaq-Kobe and some of the Spurs championships. Until the Pistons formed that interesting group.

[willds09]

Part of the reason the beginning of the 00 era appears weak is because all the talent was in one conference. I mean there wasn't even a contender on the east during the Shaq-Kobe and some of the Spurs championships. Until the Pistons formed that interesting group.
01 sixers???:confusedshrug:

[tpols]

very well said.

If Olaijuwon, Ewing's Knicks, Stockton's Jazz, Reggie's Pacers. [peyton's kemp's sonics even '80s well balanced Cavaliers were in '00s NBA, I dont see Parker, Duncan & particularly Kobe winning rings.

Reggies Pacers? The mid 2000s pre-brawl Pacers with prime Jermaine Oneal, Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Jamal Tinsley, etc were stacked to the brim with talent and would SMOKE Reggie's 90s Pacers.

Stockton's Jazz and the Sonics were both worse than many of the 2000s spurs teams as well as the late 2000s Boston Celtics. LOL at the 90s Cavs. Bron's Cavs would have shitted on them.

Of course the 2000s still had Steve Nash and the loaded Suns, one of the best defensive teams of all time in the mid 2000s Detroit Pistons, the Dirk led Mavs, and even teams like the Yao-TMac Rockets and Iverson-Melo-Camby Nuggets who would have shit on their 90s run of the mill playoff teams counterparts.

[tpols]

just compare allstar roster of each year or even all nba 1st and 2nd team.
it's been 15 years that nba sucks :(
So ever since you stopped sucking MJ's d!ck? Oh wait..

[necya]

So ever since you stopped sucking MJ's d!ck? Oh wait..

:wtf: feel strong behind the computer your dad bought to you ? why are you talking about MJ, you can't read a simple sentence ?
:oldlol: at your comment about Pacers

[MiseryCityTexas]

:no:

60s and 70s - weakest era
80s - worst defensive era
90s - watered down era
00s - best defensive era

OP is ******


Hate given

[Colbertnation64]

00's>60's>80's>90's>70's.

[Bigsmoke]

The East was kinda weak from since Jordan retired to like 2007

but overall, i would say its all that bad.

[willds09]

:biggums:
00's>60's>80's>90's>70's.

[DKLaker]

WTF.....The 90's were much weaker....the great teams, Lakers, Celtics, Pistons and Sixers were on their way out due to age/retirement and all that was left was the Bulls.......made things way too easy for MJ.

[Smoke117]

The early 00s was incredibly pathetic...especially in the east. The Sixers and the Nets in the finals in consecutive seasons? Jesus christ. Even the west wasn't anything special. Once the Blazers imploded after 2000 the Lakers had two runs were teams were still building up and they were the only elite team in the West. The mid 00s things got a bit more interesting, but yeah pretty much only the last couple of years of the decade did level of play really pick up.

[RIP CITY]

:no:


80s - worst defensive era
90s - watered down era
00s - best defensive era



LOL, please tell me these two are jokes. And the 2000's are just as watered down overall as the 90's.

[TheBigVeto]

It didn't finally hit me till people here show respect to FMVPs like kobe , parker, wade and billups

No team in this era was able to dominate ( maybe spurs but meh, ) except lakers in the 3 peat years. But you guys do realize they faced EXTREMELY WEAK COMPETITIONS in the finals ? PACERS?? Who the hell is Jalen Rose?? Then 76ers and nets, both are teams full of scrubs

Same goes to the second weakest era : 74 - 79

Conclusion:
The likes of Tony Parker ,Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant are VASTLY OVERRATED, and they won multiple rings playing in the weakest era ever

This era is weak but Duncan is GOAT PF and not overrated

Kobe on the other hand, is vastly overrated. In 10 years time people will look back and realize he's not even in top 20 greatest SGs ever.

[atljonesbro]

:no:

60s and 70s - weakest era
80s - worst defensive era
90s - watered down era
00s - best defensive era

OP is ******

This GREAT POST :applause: :applause:

Only Jordan stans will disagree.

[TheMan]

The 00s were weak, the Nets and Pacers made the Finals, enough said.

[brownmamba00]

the east was pathetic but outside the 90s and late 80s theyve always been pathetic.

the west>>>
http://westsiderydaz.net/Logos/WESTSIDE%20EMBLEM%204.jpg

[OldSchoolBBall]

It's pretty well accepted among knowledgeable fans that the '99-'07 era was the low point of the league from a level of play and league quality perspective, '00-'05 especially. The only era that compares to the '99-'07 era is the mid-late 80's, which was similarly dreadful.

[andgar923]

The 00k era has a great argument as being the weakest era ever. But not THE worst, simply because the game overall has advanced more since the 70s.

What makes this era so bad is the style of play, mixed with the watered down rules, and low basketball IQ. Half the shit they do today they wouldn't be able to pull off in past eras due to the different rules. The lack of passing, ball movement, shot jacking and true big men has a HUGE effect in the lower fg%.

I also agree that an entire decade shouldn't be cluttered into one. I believe that eras (not decades) are usually divided into different groups of 'years' and at times those eras cross into a separate decade. Trends and styles don't have decade restrictions as a style of play from the 70s can seam itself into the 80s and so on. I believe that eras tend to be (but not exclusive) 4 years long, after that period of time things usually change. We've seen that time and time again as one team/player fades.

I'm one of the very few that believes the late 80s and early 90s was the truly last great era, and perhaps the greatest of all time due to the following:

Remnants from the great 80s era were there, but saw the introduction of future greats.

We saw the evolution of a more sophisticated, physical, smart, defense mixed with the old school rules.

Athletes in general were starting to mirror today's as training, diets and science were becoming more modernized, and players were becoming more educated.

Sound fundamental play mixed with more athletic players that again, mirror today's athletes. In other words, you had more great athletes that could actually PLAY the game.

It was still about TEAM play... it wasn't until the mid 90s when shit went to individual play (thanks MJ!! :rolleyes: )


The mid 90s was the beginning of the decline, as "me first" players came into the league and contracts began to explode. Then you have the influx of younger immature players and the watered down rules. Early 80s fall short because they were still recovering from the drugs that were rampant in the 70s (and early 80s), lack of proper diet, training when compared to their future counterparts. Yet you still had some great teams and players from the 80s in the mid to late 80s, but with a newer crop of great talent coming in.

Yeah.... I'ma say it, needless to say the Jordan era was the best (no fanboy).