OJ Mayo signs with Dallas

[weavaliciousnes]

https://twitter.com/juicemayo32/

[Droid101]

http://www.netmeister.org/blog/images/picard-wtf-is-this-shit.jpg

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm . This team will be a 5-6 seed again and another 1st round exit. Why the hell aren't they saving some cap rather than throwing together a bunch of random players?

[weavaliciousnes]

https://twitter.com/JuiceMayo32/status/225063727341387776

[AlonzoGOAT]

What

[DTreats]

1 year 12 million, nice deal for both parties!

[swi7ch]

Cuban's grand master plan! :roll:

[Grinder]

Good choice Juice. :applause:

Collison / Beaubois
Mayo / Carter / Cunningham
Marion / Jones / Crowder
Nowitzki / Brand
Kaman / Wright / James

Very solid.

[Reverend Hoops]

LOL @ Cuban and all of these one year deals. It is brilliant that it is working.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

What a great deal for the Mavs. Mavs quietly put a really good offseason together.

[Clippersfan86]

Good choice Juice. :applause:

Collison / Beaubois
Mayo / Carter / Cunningham
Marion / Jones / Crowder
Nowitzki / Brand
Kaman / Wright / James

Very solid.

Solid sure but not good enough to contend for HCA IMO. Just thought Cuban was going for the home run :facepalm .

[Mr Know It All]

Hmmm

PG Collison/West/Roddy
SG Mayo/Carter/Roddy
SF Marion/Carter/Crowder
PF Nowitzki/Brand/Wright
C Kaman/Wright/Brand

Pretty nice team moving into next season for the Mavericks. Mayo could do well with a change of scenery. Mavericks could very well be a third seed if Dirk has another very good year (2011 like). Pretty deep team with some weapons and defense.

[knickballer]

GREAT SIGNING. I've been saying this would have been the perfect signing for them. They need a scorer from the guard positions and the best part is that he's still young with tons of potential left. I'm sure the Mavs will get the best of his potential and he'll replace Terry's production easily. Great signing.

Good roster shaping up:
Collison/West*/BB
Mayo/West*/Carter/Cunnigam
Marion/Carer/Jones
Dirk/Brand/Wright
Kaman/Brand/Wright/James


They have turned the offseason from a terrible to good. I'm sure they'll still have cap to sign a max FA next off season.

[Clippersfan86]

Hmmm

PG Collison/West/Roddy
SG Mayo/Carter/Roddy
SF Marion/Carter/Crowder
PF Nowitzki/Brand/Wright
C Kaman/Wright/Brand

Pretty nice team moving into next season for the Mavericks. Mayo could do well with a change of scenery. Mavericks could very well be a third seed if Dirk has another very good year (2011 like). Pretty deep team with some weapons and defense.

Sorry but ZERO chance in hell at the 3 seed for the Mavs. I see zero chance for them to finish better than Thunder, Lakers, Clippers, Spurs or Grizzlies.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Solid sure but not good enough to contend for HCA IMO. Just thought Cuban was going for the home run.

Don't understand that logic. They were 2-3 games last year from contending.

[knickballer]

Don't understand that logic. They were 2-3 games last year from contending.

Pretty much this. I'd even say if they had Chandler they'd easily get pass Oklahoma in the first round.

Never count out a team led by Dirk.. never..

[chazzy]

:facepalm . This team will be a 5-6 seed again and another 1st round exit. Why the hell aren't they saving some cap rather than throwing together a bunch of random players?
1 yr deal so it doesn't hurt. Can't really tank when you have Dirk so you have to put whatever you can out there to compete. Considering how badly FA started for the Mavs, they've bounced back nicely.

[PJR]

Lol Unless your one of the top 5 players in the league, you're only getting one year deals from Cuban.

[FF1]

:facepalm . This team will be a 5-6 seed again and another 1st round exit. Why the hell aren't they saving some cap rather than throwing together a bunch of random players?

All of these new players (except prob mayo) are on 1 year deals.....

[d.bball.guy]

Very nice pick up for a one year deal.

[Mr Know It All]

Sorry but ZERO chance in hell at the 3 seed for the Mavs. I see zero chance for them to finish better than Thunder, Lakers, Clippers, Spurs or Grizzlies.

Thunder and Lakers probably not. But what makes the Spurs so much better than that roster. I won't even touch on the Clippers and Grizzlies who also don't have the rosters to boast over the Mavericks.

Dallas was plagued by major injuries all season with a mediocre roster and still was close to a three seed most of the season before the roof caved in and it all caught up to them. Watch and see my friend.

[knickballer]

Lol Unless your one of the top 5 players in the league, you're only getting one year deals from Cuban.

He was trying to retool for the future and I don't blame him for that. He just failed at it but he's doing the best atm(and doing a good job tbh). They probably should have gave Chandler the $$ and retooled after that champ run.

[dzav323]

Sucks for the Suns. Time for plan C

[CLTHornets4eva]

1 year 12 million, nice deal for both parties!

I dont ever believe you. :no:

[PejaNowitzki]

Sucks for the Suns. Time for plan C


They already moved on after Mayo asked for 10 mil a year, talking with Brown and Lee, also possibility of Barbosa.

[ncrizzle]

wait, so how much is this contract?

[Mr Know It All]

Don't underestimate the value of these pieces and expiring contracts in a Dwight Howard deal. Come the trade deadline (when all become available) Mavericks have acquired assets that make them easily a true contender in the Dwight sweepstakes.

[MrMAgic023]

very good signing for mavs for a attempt at championship run this yr

not on books end of yr and if not working mid yr could trade him off

[Clippersfan86]

Thunder and Lakers probably not. But what makes the Spurs so much better than that roster. I won't even touch on the Clippers and Grizzlies who also don't have the rosters to boast over the Mavericks.

Dallas was plagued by major injuries all season with a mediocre roster and still was close to a three seed most of the season before the roof caved in and it all caught up to them. Watch and see my friend.

:roll: . Grizzlies and Clippers were both significantly better than the Mavs last year and that isn't going to change. Not only did they finish 4 games better but they also were much stronger teams in general. Mavs roster is nowhere near as good as Spurs, Clippers or Grizzlies.

[CLTHornets4eva]

I don't know why everyone blindly thought it was for one year? :confusedshrug:

[#1SportsFan86]

Sorry but ZERO chance in hell at the 3 seed for the Mavs. I see zero chance for them to finish better than Thunder, Lakers, Clippers, Spurs or Grizzlies.

You mad as hell right now...:lol

Man every team looks good on paper right now in the summer.

[Clippersfan86]

You mad as hell right now...:lol

Man every team looks good on paper right now in the summer.

Mad? Or realistic? Mavs are not a top 3 seed and I'll bet anybody here.

[PJR]

Mayo's deal is a multiyear.

[Droid101]

I don't get it. They had no cap space left. How can you sign a 12 million dollar contract?

[Mr Know It All]

Mad? Or realistic? Mavs are not a top 3 seed and I'll bet anybody here.

Haha I will bookmark the thread. I'm far from 100% confident that Carlisle can make this team a contender all that quickly in a competitive west, they can probably hit their stride come mid season.

However, to think that a team with this much depth in the front court, a young and talented back court, and a fantastic coach doesn't have a chance against three clear pretenders in the West. You may be in for a rude awakening my friend.

[Clippersfan86]

I'll once again make a bet that I've never lost on in about 5 tries. If the Mavs finish better than the Clippers this year, I leave the forum forever. If the Mavs finish with a 3 seed or higher, I leave the forum forever. That's how confident I am.

[AMISTILLILL]

I ****ing love the signing and actually love the team Dallas has put together. They made a meal out of horse shit and still maintain cap flexibility next summer for Dwight Howard/Chris Paul/whatever. Never underestimate Cuban, and never underestimate Carlisle's ability to make a team work.

[Clippersfan86]

Haha I will bookmark the thread. I'm far from 100% confident that Carlisle can make this team a contender all that quickly in a competitive west, they can probably hit their stride come mid season.

However, to think that a team with this much depth in the front court, a young and talented back court, and a fantastic coach doesn't have a chance against three clear pretenders in the West. You may be in for a rude awakening my friend.

Sorry but what makes these teams pretenders? Spurs looked dominant until the WCF, Clippers shorthanded and all got to the 2nd round in their first year together with depleted roster and 10 new players. Grizzlies got to 2nd round year before and Zbo should be 100 percent.

[Mr Know It All]

I'll once again make a bet that I've never lost on in about 5 tries. If the Mavs finish better than the Clippers this year, I leave the forum forever. If the Mavs finish with a 3 seed or higher, I leave the forum forever. That's how confident I am.

Alright we'll revisit next April.

[Clippersfan86]

Alright we'll revisit next April.

K and if I'm right you wear a Clippers avy for how long?

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Amistil, talk about making chicken salad out of chicket sh*t, eh?

Mavs may not win the title next year, but this time in 2010 no one thought they would either so who knows......

But the Mavs sure got a very competitive team in a short time.

[Clippersfan86]

Amistil, talk about making chicken salad out of chicket sh*t, eh?

Mavs may not win the title next year, but this time in 2010 no one thought they would either so who knows......

But the Mavs sure got a very competitive team in a short time.

They definitely deserve praise similar to Celtics in the sense that we expected a failure of an offseason and they turned in a good one. It's just the top 3 seed talk that's too far for me.

[therammingman]

http://www.netmeister.org/blog/images/picard-wtf-is-this-shit.jpg

this are the exact words i said to myself when i saw the title of this thread

[Mr Know It All]

Sorry but what makes these teams pretenders? Spurs looked dominant until the WCF, Clippers shorthanded and all got to the 2nd round in their first year together with depleted roster and 10 new players. Grizzlies got to 2nd round year before and Zbo should be 100 percent.

Spurs fed on the weak Jazz and your "depleted" Clippers. They were absolutely stomped by OKC after escaping the first two games in San Antonio (credit to the great momentum they had built on their great winning streak).

The Clippers barely got past the Grizz in a pretty ugly series. Blake Griffin already is going to have surgery and he's had problems in the past, the way he plays anything can happen. Beyond that they are lead by a below average coach and the West is going to look very different after the transition lockout season.

Memphis proved what a pretender they were. Rudy Gay cannot carry a team, and neither can Zach Randolph if they attempt to co-exist. A really nice team that I like to root for, but with no true superstar and no chance in the stacked West. Dallas was right there with both of these teams towards the end of the season last year but their age and injuries caught up with them.

Again, no use arguing the coming season. All I can say is that you should not be so confident in what is to come.

[Droid101]

I don't get it. They had no cap space left. How can you sign a 12 million dollar contract?
Um... hello everyone? They had no cap space after their Collison move and their other moves this summer (Kaman).

They can't afford this. It has to be a sign-and-trade or it doesn't work.

[PJR]

Why do people think Mayo is some sort of difference maker, tho? Guy was Tony Allen's backup.


Tony Allen.

[TexasBloodMoney]

I'll once again make a bet that I've never lost on in about 5 tries. If the Mavs finish better than the Clippers this year, I leave the forum forever. If the Mavs finish with a 3 seed or higher, I leave the forum forever. That's how confident I am.

Dont do it man.

Mavs look great on paper but more importantly, they've been getting a bunch of solid players on 1 year deals. So not only are they staying competitive now, they have the option to go after D12 and dare I say....Chris Paul, next summer.

But seriously, a 3 seed isnt out of the question. Dirk is STILL underrated, they have a great coach and now they've added Kaman/Mayo/Collison. Dallas is looking good.

And they also dumped Odom on the clippers!

[Droid101]

this are the exact words i said to myself when i saw the title of this thread
I live to serve.

[Boki4MVP]

Grizzlies four times a year.

[Mr Know It All]

K and if I'm right you wear a Clippers avy for how long?

I'll wear it for the entire playoffs next year if it makes you happy. To be honest I couldn't care less what I have in my avy just looking forward to how this plays out.

[BlackVVaves]

Sorry but ZERO chance in hell at the 3 seed for the Mavs. I see zero chance for them to finish better than Thunder, Lakers, Clippers, Spurs or Grizzlies.

This X 1000.

What are y'all smoking? A 3rd seed? They'd be doing some serious overachieving to grab the 3rd seed.

[DirkNowitzki41]

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

solid team. gonna be fun to watch. I hope its a multi year deal.

[Mr Know It All]

This X 1000.

What are y'all smoking? A 3rd seed? They'd be doing some serious overachieving to grab the 3rd seed.

I don't know why the third seed all of a sudden became so holy. A third seed isn't that impressive. Not that unrealistic for a roster with that much talent and a great coach (Not to mention a fantastic player in Dirk).

[Droid101]

Grizzlies four times a year.
Guy posts less than ten times a year. Respect him!

[Clippersfan86]

Spurs fed on the weak Jazz and your "depleted" Clippers. They were absolutely stomped by OKC after escaping the first two games in San Antonio (credit to the great momentum they had built on their great winning streak).

The Clippers barely got past the Grizz in a pretty ugly series. Blake Griffin already is going to have surgery and he's had problems in the past, the way he plays anything can happen. Beyond that they are lead by a below average coach and the West is going to look very different after the transition lockout season.

Memphis proved what a pretender they were. Rudy Gay cannot carry a team, and neither can Zach Randolph if they attempt to co-exist. A really nice team that I like to root for, but with no true superstar and no chance in the stacked West. Dallas was right there with both of these teams towards the end of the season last year but their age and injuries caught up with them.

Again, no use arguing the coming season. All I can say is that you should not be so confident in what is to come.

CP3+Griffin+Butler (3 best Clippers players) were all carrying significant injuries. Mo Williams even had one on his shooting hand and obviously Billups was out. A healthy Clippers squad would have pushed Spurs to 6. Point is... Clippers got better this offseason and aren't done... and they are younger and outplayed Dallas last year. Not to mention both Clippers and Grizzlies easily finished ahead of the Mavs.

BTW you say barely got by the Grizzlies like it's a bad thing? Grizzlies and Clippers was one of the best and most competitive playoff series in a decade at least. Going to 7 games isn't a knock on either team but rather says how good or evenly matched the teams where. Both the Clippers and Grizzlies would have snuffed the Mavs in 6 tops.

[AMISTILLILL]

Amistil, talk about making chicken salad out of chicket sh*t, eh?

Mavs may not win the title next year, but this time in 2010 no one thought they would either so who knows......

But the Mavs sure got a very competitive team in a short time.
This. People shitting on the Dallas lineup need to remember the position this team was in a week or two back, when D-Will and Dwight both became unavailable, Terry and Kidd left for higher ground and the front office made some questionable decisions on draft night. It looked as if Dirk and Marion were the only recognizable names on that roster next season... only ONE year removed from winning it all.

Collison, Mayo, and Kaman alongside Dirk is a solid group. Throw in Brand and Carter capable of having vintage nights stuffing the stat sheets? There are teams with far less adequate role players and starters dragging their way into the playoff picture these days... and never mind the fact that those teams don't have arguably the greatest European player of all time capable of heating up and garnering MVP praise at any time.

Worst case scenario Dallas makes the playoffs, remains competitive and has considerable cap space next summer. Best case scenario? Cuban continues to make shrewd moves and acquisitions leading up to the trade deadline and they make a deep playoff run that nobody expected.

[BlackVVaves]

Thunder and Lakers probably not. But what makes the Spurs so much better than that roster. I won't even touch on the Clippers and Grizzlies who also don't have the rosters to boast over the Mavericks.

Dallas was plagued by major injuries all season with a mediocre roster and still was close to a three seed most of the season before the roof caved in and it all caught up to them. Watch and see my friend.

You think the Mavs are better than the Clippers?

Dude...

[Clippersfan86]

Dont do it man.

Mavs look great on paper but more importantly, they've been getting a bunch of solid players on 1 year deals. So not only are they staying competitive now, they have the option to go after D12 and dare I say....Chris Paul, next summer.

But seriously, a 3 seed isnt out of the question. Dirk is STILL underrated, they have a great coach and now they've added Kaman/Mayo/Collison. Dallas is looking good.

And they also dumped Odom on the clippers!

4-5 seed is possible but as I said.. nothing indicates they will leapfrog the 3 teams that easily finished ahead of them last year (Clippers, Grizzlies, Spurs) that I mentioned. Lakers and Thunder will obviously not be passed by the Mavs.

[DirkNowitzki41]

You guys have NO idea how bad Dallas was last year...

not even talking about all the injuries, and Dirk not being in shape for a couple of months.

[Mr Know It All]

You think the Mavs are better than the Clippers?

Dude...

This thread may be glorious come April.

[Clippersfan86]

This. People shitting on the Dallas lineup need to remember the position this team was in a week or two back, when D-Will and Dwight both became unavailable, Terry and Kidd left for higher ground and the front office made some questionable decisions on draft night. It looked as if Dirk and Marion were the only recognizable names on that roster next season... only ONE year removed from winning it all.

Collison, Mayo, and Kaman alongside Dirk is a solid group. Throw in Brand and Carter capable of having vintage nights stuffing the stat sheets? There are teams with far less adequate role players and starters dragging their way into the playoff picture these days... and never mind the fact that those teams don't have arguably the greatest European player of all time capable of heating up and garnering MVP praise at any time.

Worst case scenario Dallas makes the playoffs, remains competitive and has considerable cap space next summer. Best case scenario? Cuban continues to make shrewd moves and acquisitions leading up to the trade deadline and they make a deep playoff run that nobody expected.

As I said... Dallas much like Boston made superb offseason recoveries. No reason to start talking about 3 seed and contenders etc though :facepalm . They don't look THAT good. Remember Brand plays the same position as their best player Dirk.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

You can be a 4th seed and have HCA. So the Mavs have no shot at the 4th seed? Really?

They were 5 games behind Memphis last year for the 4th seed. And that was with Dirk missing two weeks and bbeing terrible the first month of the season. That was with a brutal schedule for the oldest team in the league.

And that was also with the Mavs losing 13 games under 5 points, and losing at least 4 games on buzzer beaters.

Seriously, they have no shot at getting HCA, with a team that has a full training camp, a more motivated team, a team with less age, and wear and tear?

[noosaman]

:facepalm . This team will be a 5-6 seed again and another 1st round exit. Why the hell aren't they saving some cap rather than throwing together a bunch of random players?

Actually this team is shaping up to be better than the Finals team. I'm now expecting a top 2 seed for Dallas.

[Droid101]

They were 5 games behind Memphis last year for the 4th seed. And that was with Dirk missing two weeks and bbeing terrible the first month of the season. That was with a brutal schedule for the oldest team in the league.

LOL

And you say nothing about Z-Bo missing 80% of the season? You're a joke.

[Clippersfan86]

You can be a 4th seed and have HCA. So the Mavs have no shot at the 4th seed? Really?

They were 5 games behind Memphis last year for the 4th seed. And that was with Dirk missing two weeks and bbeing terrible the first month of the season. That was with a brutal schedule for the oldest team in the league.

And that was also with the Mavs losing 13 games under 5 points, and losing at least 4 games on buzzer beaters.

Seriously, they have no shot at getting HCA, with a team that has a full training camp, a more motivated team, a team with less age, and wear and tear?

I think 4 is very unrealistic but POSSIBLE. 3 is impossible. As I said... Spurs have to drop off A LOT, Clippers and Grizzlies have to drop off. None of which is likely IMO.

[Mr Know It All]

As I said... Dallas much like Boston made superb offseason recoveries. No reason to start talking about 3 seed and contenders etc though :facepalm . They don't look THAT good. Remember Brand plays the same position as their best player Dirk.

Brand can play center as well. Having him as a backup to Dirk (For 2.1 million) is the furthest thing from a negative. They have literally improved (by some margin) at almost every position (with the exception of SF, although Crowder may be a 2nd round gem).

[FF1]

I think 4 is very unrealistic but POSSIBLE. 3 is impossible. As I said... Spurs have to drop off A LOT, Clippers and Grizzlies have to drop off. None of which is likely IMO.

Impossible is a dumb word to throw around in sports, even when you're talking about teams that have no history of success. In this situation... it's down right silly.

[Clippersfan86]

LOL

And you say nothing about Z-Bo missing 80% of the season? You're a joke.

Exactly. Bad fit or not between Zbo/Gay the Grizzlies are incredibly dangerous and most had them as darkhorse title contenders going into playoffs. If you don't think being healthy and retaining most of their talent will boost them you people are crazy. Spurs, Grizzlies and Clippers actually finished the season stronger than any other teams as they started getting a bit healthy (or in the Clippers case building chemistry).

[Droid101]

Brand can play center as well. Having him as a backup to Dirk (For 2.1 million) is the furthest thing from a negative. They have literally improved (by some margin) at almost every position (with the exception of SF, although Crowder may be a 2nd round gem).
Everyone is a "second round gem" at this point in the summer.

[GoRapz]

Team would have looked better if Lamar Odom wasn't such a p*ssy to play in Dallas

[noosaman]

Brand can play center as well. Having him as a backup to Dirk (For 2.1 million) is the furthest thing from a negative. They have literally improved (by some margin) at almost every position (with the exception of SF, although Crowder may be a 2nd round gem).

Exactly. You replaced Terry with a younger more athletic guy who can get to the rim and is equally a good shooter...and a far better defender...got rid of dead weight (haywood). Now what the Mavs need to do is flesh out the center/pf spot with Brand and Kaman (both starter quality).

Did Dallas actually sign Darren Collison as well? If so, thats another upgrade, but makes the team smaller on defense.

[Clippersfan86]

Impossible is a dumb word to throw around in sports, even when you're talking about teams that have no history of success. In this situation... it's down right silly.

If you add it up it's quite simple. Lakers and Thunder both got better and were the 1 and 3 seed. Do you see Mavs overtaking either??? Then you look at the Spurs who while they may choke in playoffs are always way better in the regular season than we expect. Do you see Dallas passing them? That's already 3 locks if you will... then you have Clippers and Grizzlies with a shot at 2, 3 but will have a huge challenge. Both the Clippers and Grizzlies are better than the Mavs. So again where does room for Dallas to grab 3 seed come into play?

[AMISTILLILL]

Remember Brand plays the same position as their best player Dirk.
True, but he could certainly be the boost off the bench and unorthodox sixth man in Terry's stead.

As a guy who pulled for Dallas last season - after an abrupt end to what appeared to be a solid contending core - I'm just thankful they've managed to sidestep what could have potentially been a monumental disaster, capable of setting the franchise back several years. Losing BOTH D-Will and Dwight, and with no real prospects on the horizon as your star continues to age, was a crushing blow. They came out of it with a formidable group, capable of great things if Carlisle manages them effectively.

They're not top 3 in the western conference or anything, but they're definitely capable of vying for the top 5 in the conference. Who knows if San Antonio will be able to duplicate their regular season success, or whether or not Griffin will hit a stumbling block with this injury/if Odom will show up to camp with his game face on... the conference is wide open for anyone not named the Lakers and Thunder, realistically.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

LOL

And you say nothing about Z-Bo missing 80% of the season? You're a joke.

Well, the point is the 4th seed, not Memphis. Substitute another team as the 4th seed. Doesn't matter. The Mavs were 5 games out in a shortened season where there was no continuity.

Mavs got YOUNGER, MORE ATHLETIC, BETTER DEFENSIVELY and got BETTER PENETRATING ABILITY.

Mavs can get HCA.

[DKLaker]

Good choice Juice. :applause:

Collison / Beaubois
Mayo / Carter / Cunningham
Marion / Jones / Crowder
Nowitzki / Brand
Kaman / Wright / James

Very solid.

Confession; I saw Marion Jones and said :wtf: and then said oh yeah :hammerhead:

[wally_world]

So whats the deal like? I saw 12mil/1 season and others are saying its a multiyear deal

[Clippersfan86]

True, but he could certainly be the boost off the bench and unorthodox sixth man in Terry's stead.

As a guy who pulled for Dallas last season - after an abrupt end to what appeared to be a solid contending core - I'm just thankful they've managed to sidestep what could have potentially been a monumental disaster, capable of setting the franchise back several years. Losing BOTH D-Will and Dwight, and with no real prospects on the horizon as your star continues to age, was a crushing blow. They came out of it with a formidable group, capable of great things if Carlisle manages them effectively.

They're not top 3 in the western conference or anything, but they're definitely capable of vying for the top 5 in the conference. Who knows if San Antonio will be able to duplicate their regular season success, or whether or not Griffin will hit a stumbling block with this injury/if Odom will show up to camp with his game face on... the conference is wide open for anyone not named the Lakers and Thunder, realistically.

We agree :cheers: . Top 5 is absolutely achievable and logical. It's the top 3, title contender talk that threw me for a loop.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

We agree . Top 5 is absolutely achievable and logical. It's the top 3, title contender talk that threw me for a loop.

Well the Mavs made it to the Finals one year as the 4th seed....

[DirkNowitzki41]

Jeff Caplan ‏@ESPN_Caplan

Am told Mayo deal is multiyear, but not sure how long. Mavs had about $4M in cap space.

https://twitter.com/espn_caplan

[noosaman]

We agree :cheers: . Top 5 is absolutely achievable and logical. It's the top 3, title contender talk that threw me for a loop.

A terrible Mavs team last year easily could have been up 2-0 on OKC...

And Dirk is still a top 5 player who is easily capable of being the best player in the world when he needs to/wants to be...Mavs have 2 legit centers now, a legit pg, a legit 2 guard, and the league's best wing defender. I certainly expect Dallas to be a top team out West, especially given that no one in the West is truly elite.

[BlackVVaves]

I don't know why the third seed all of a sudden became so holy. A third seed isn't that impressive. Not that unrealistic for a roster with that much talent and a great coach (Not to mention a fantastic player in Dirk).

Do you understand what getting the 3rd seed means?

It means having a better record than the San Antonio Spurs. You know, the team that has had the best record in the West the last two years?

So, you think the moves the Mavs have made will propel them past the Spurs, who are bringing back everyone from last season it seems through all their early re-signings, in regular season wins this year?

That's what everyone is saying.

[Clippersfan86]

Well the Mavs made it to the Finals one year as the 4th seed....

Sure... but 2 of your top 4 players now play the same position. Kaman is good and underrated but he's also a black hole on offense. Mayo is a disappointment. Basically this squad is nowhere near as good as your finals squads.

[Clippersfan86]

A terrible Mavs team last year easily could have been up 2-0 on OKC...

And Dirk is still a top 5 player who is easily capable of being the best player in the world when he needs to/wants to be...Mavs have 2 legit centers now, a legit pg, a legit 2 guard, and the league's best wing defender. I certainly expect Dallas to be a top team out West, especially given that no one in the West is truly elite.

Sorry but Dirk is not a top 5 player. Which player is he better than of this group? CP3? Kobe? Durant? Lebron? Howard?

[ncrizzle]

Spurs fed on the weak Jazz and your "depleted" Clippers. They were absolutely stomped by OKC after escaping the first two games in San Antonio (credit to the great momentum they had built on their great winning streak).

The Clippers barely got past the Grizz in a pretty ugly series. Blake Griffin already is going to have surgery and he's had problems in the past, the way he plays anything can happen. Beyond that they are lead by a below average coach and the West is going to look very different after the transition lockout season.

Memphis proved what a pretender they were. Rudy Gay cannot carry a team, and neither can Zach Randolph if they attempt to co-exist. A really nice team that I like to root for, but with no true superstar and no chance in the stacked West. Dallas was right there with both of these teams towards the end of the season last year but their age and injuries caught up with them.

Again, no use arguing the coming season. All I can say is that you should not be so confident in what is to come.
:biggums:

The grizzlies got the 4th seed in the west last year and posted a franchise best winning % while zack randolph recovered from an injury for more than 3 months. Darell arthur our back up PF had a season ending injury and missed all last season. Zbo came back, but says he was maybe %70 during the playoffs. Obviously was out of shape and didnt have rhythm .Gay still put up good numbers in the playoffs. He is a top5 5 SF. Marc Gasol is arguably the 3rd best center in the leauge. Zbo when %100 can be top 5 PF. Dude has averaged basically 20/10 the past 8 years We lost because we had no back up PG. No one could handle the ball besides conley who was playing 40mins a night. Clipps bench killed our bench adn that is why they won. Darell Arthur is back after missing all of last season. Jared Bayless is now our backup PG and guy who can put up points to replace OJ. We also drafted a kid with the serious potential in Tony Wroten who can play both point and sg at 6'5. Josh Selby will no longer be asked to try and play back up point and just be an off gaurd who shoots, which he has shown he is very capable of.

The clippers have CP3, Griffin, and Bledsoe. Im not sure what to think of the Crawfard signing, but they will still be better than the mavs.

Spurs have 3 guys with lots of rings on their hands. They have the best coach in the league and some of the best players. When have the Spurs not been a good team in the last 13 years?


The mavs have a half ass team right now. You are throwing all these guys in and expect them to play great? Who do u think oj is? Elton Brand? All you are doing are riding on the hopes that somehow Dirk will be able to carry this team with 30pts a night. And that aint gonna happen

[Mr Know It All]

Do you understand what getting the 3rd seed means?

It means having a better record than the San Antonio Spurs. You know, the team that has had the best record in the West the last two years?

So, you think the moves the Mavs have made will propel them past the Spurs, who are bringing back everyone from last season it seems through all their early re-signings, in regular season wins this year?

That's what everyone is saying.

What guarantees that the Lakers and Spurs won't regress? Please enlighten me.

As I said, we will revisit this thread in April when the standings are set. All I said is that they could get a third seed, which is far from impossible.

[Clippersfan86]

What guarantees that the Lakers and Spurs won't regress? Please enlighten me.

As I said, we will revisit this thread in April when the standings are set. All I said is that they could get a third seed, which is far from impossible.

So Lakers add fu**ing Steve Nash who is tailor made to unite that team... and now Jamison supposedly and you expect a decline??? :facepalm . Spurs can decline 5-6 games and STILL finish a top 3 seed.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Basically this squad is nowhere near as good as your finals squads.

And no one thought either of those two squads were Finals bound either. And even before the playoffs started everyone predicted both teams to lose.

It aint like anyone thought they were great either. So you continually saying they "won't" is kind of dumb. It's like all the pundits saying the Mavs had no shot against Portland/LA/OKC/Miami.

[Droid101]

What guarantees that the Lakers [...] won't regress? Please enlighten me.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[noosaman]

Sorry but Dirk is not a top 5 player. Which player is he better than of this group? CP3? Kobe? Durant? Lebron? Howard?

Uh all of them. Chris Paul is the biggest joke, get out of here with that. He's a 2nd round master and thats it. Most overrated player in league history. Same with Howard. Dirk has thoroughly outplayed Durant now twice in the postseason, as well as Lebron. Kobe is dead weight at this stage.

Like I said, Dirk is capable of being the best player in the world any given night. All he needs is a couple guys who can get to the basket, create their own shot---I have followed the Mavs for 15 years now and this team is absolutely going to be a contender.

[BlackVVaves]

What guarantees that the Lakers and Spurs won't regress? Please enlighten me.

As I said, we will revisit this thread in April when the standings are set. All I said is that they could get a third seed, which is far from impossible.

Who said impossible?

But, you still still didn't answer. The moves they made have added enough talent to give them a highly likely chance at the 3rd seed? That's what I don't understand. "Team can be a top 2-3 team" is different from saying "I mean it's not impossible."

Of course it's not impossible. But there's nothing about their moves to me that makes it probable :confusedshrug:

[Mr Know It All]

So Lakers add fu**ing Steve Nash who is tailor made to unite that team... and now Jamison supposedly and you expect a decline??? :facepalm . Spurs can decline 5-6 games and STILL finish a top 3 seed.

I am aware of that, doesn't mean they will not regress. Steve Nash is in his late 30s, Kobe showed signs of regression and he will be playing in the Olympics in his mid 30s. Both need the ball in their hands to be at their best, could easily go wrong for the Lakers. Plus it will take Mike Brown to put all the ingredients together, something I am not incredibly confident in. I think they will be good, but 100% better than last year or the year before? There isn't enough evidence to make that claim.

[Story Up]

Uh all of them. Chris Paul is the biggest joke, get out of here with that. He's a 2nd round master and thats it. Most overrated player in league history. Same with Howard. Dirk has thoroughly outplayed Durant now twice in the postseason, as well as Lebron. Kobe is dead weight at this stage.

Like I said, Dirk is capable of being the best player in the world any given night. All he needs is a couple guys who can get to the basket, create their own shot---I have followed the Mavs for 15 years now and this team is absolutely going to be a contender.
WTF

[Clippersfan86]

I am aware of that, doesn't mean they will not regress. Steve Nash is in his late 30s, Kobe showed signs of regression and he will be playing in the Olympics in his mid 30s. Both need the ball in their hands to be at their best, could easily go wrong for the Lakers. Plus it will take Mike Brown to put all the ingredients together, something I am not incredibly confident in. I think they will be good, but 100% better than last year or the year before? There isn't enough evidence to make that claim.

Did you watch Nash lead the Suns to the best turnaround of any team in NBA history? Even now on the decline dude put up like 14 and 10. He's going to be a MASSIVE upgrade for the Lakers even if it takes time to gel.

[hawkfan]

Good choice Juice. :applause:

Collison / Beaubois
Mayo / Carter / Cunningham
Marion / Jones / Crowder
Nowitzki / Brand
Kaman / Wright / James

Very solid.

Good off-season for the Mavs.
Way more speed and youth. Brand as a backup is a brilliant pickup. Kaman should be motivated again to play well.

Need another PG, but the roster is turning out solid.

[Story Up]

I am aware of that, doesn't mean they will not regress. Steve Nash is in his late 30s, Kobe showed signs of regression and he will be playing in the Olympics in his mid 30s. Both need the ball in their hands to be at their best, could easily go wrong for the Lakers. Plus it will take Mike Brown to put all the ingredients together, something I am not incredibly confident in. I think they will be good, but 100% better than last year or the year before? There isn't enough evidence to make that claim.

Oh my god, this forum is infested with idiots.
Stve Nash had a more efficient season last year then his 2 MVP seasons.
Nash isn't a ****ing guy that relies on athleticism. It's not just Nash/Jamison, it'd Pau and Bynum too. Nash will improve them as well, kind of like he did to Gortac who all the sudden is a beast center. Lol

[noosaman]

WTF

Dude the Lakers would be better if they unloaded Kobe at this point. He's no longer a great player.

[Story Up]

Good off-season for the Mavs.
Way more speed and youth. Brand as a backup is a brilliant pickup. Kaman should be motivated again to play well.

Need another PG, but the roster is turning out solid.
0 chance at the ring.

[BlackVVaves]

Uh all of them. Chris Paul is the biggest joke, get out of here with that. He's a 2nd round master and thats it. Most overrated player in league history. Same with Howard. Dirk has thoroughly outplayed Durant now twice in the postseason, as well as Lebron. Kobe is dead weight at this stage.

Like I said, Dirk is capable of being the best player in the world any given night. All he needs is a couple guys who can get to the basket, create their own shot---I have followed the Mavs for 15 years now and this team is absolutely going to be a contender.

5 star post by a 5 star poster :facepalm

Literally nothing you said has any merit. Dirk may come thru clutch again in the playoffs. But he wasn't the "best player in the world" in 2011, and he won't ever be a better player than Bron or Durant for entire season again.

He outperformed Lebron in the Finals, by ALOT. This is fact. But being the best player in the world is determined from the first day of the season through the last. Bron may have played a bitch in the 2011 Finals, but pound for pound, there's no way you can say Dirk is a better player than Lebron, or even Durant at this point. And Kobe, CP3, and Howard are all better players right now as well.

I don't know what you're chiefing on, but that shit is laced with some hardcore shit. Get it together.

[Story Up]

Dude the Lakers would be better if they unloaded Kobe at this point. He's no longer a great player.
WTF

Any admins here? Permanent ban please.
Kobe is still quite easily top 10, and best Laker. He will feel a few years younger playing off the ball and resting more.

[zac]

I don't care about you guys arguing, but does anyone know the specifics of the new deal?

Maybe it was backloaded like those other ones out there so he gets paid later on. There is no word of a sign and trade on the Grizzlies front.

[noosaman]

5 star post by a 5 star poster :facepalm

Literally nothing you said has any merit. Dirk may come thru clutch again in the playoffs. But he wasn't the "best player in the world" in 2011, and he won't ever be a better player than Bron or Durant for entire season again.

He outperformed Lebron in the Finals, by ALOT. This is fact. But being the best player in the world is determined from the first day of the season through the last. Bron may have played a bitch in the 2011 Finals, but pound for pound, there's no way you can say Dirk is a better player than Lebron, or even Durant at this point. And Kobe, CP3, and Howard are all better players right now as well.

I don't know what you're chiefing on, but that shit is laced with some hardcore shit. Get it together.


Actually if you followed the 2010-2011 season Dirk WAS the best player until he got hurt in Jan 11, and was posting career numbers, and he absoltuely dominated Lefraud in both regular season meetings. He took a shit on everyone in the regular season and he took an even bigger shit on everyone in the playoffs. Check your facts before you go on spouting ignorance. The Butler lineup was absolutely devastating against the rest of the league prior to Dirk and Caron's injuries.

And again, Dirk thoroughly outplayed Durant last postseason at age 33--he will be the better player until he retires. Don't believe the hype, son!

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Spears just tweeted:

But after adding Collison, Mayo, Kaman, Brand and Jones, Dirk and the Mavs are younger and better now.




Well it seems one analyst thinks they could get HCA. Unless he means better is just a game or two.

[Freedom Kid7]

http://i.imgur.com/tLBa0.png
However, if it's for twelve million a year, then that is an awful, awful, awful deal. At least the Mavs are in contention for the playoffs I guess, but damn that's an awful deal.

[WeGetRing2012]

Dallas should have just tanked these contracts will do them no good in the future. This team has a 0% chance of coming out of the West.

[50inchvertical]

Actually if you followed the 2010-2011 season Dirk WAS the best player until he got hurt in Jan 11, and was posting career numbers, and he absoltuely dominated Lefraud in both regular season meetings. He took a shit on everyone in the regular season and he took an even bigger shit on everyone in the playoffs. Check your facts before you go on spouting ignorance. The Butler lineup was absolutely devastating against the rest of the league prior to Dirk and Caron's injuries.

And again, Dirk thoroughly outplayed Durant last postseason at age 33--he will be the better player until he retires. Don't believe the hype, son!
last season? Not even close.

Decent pickup for Dallas. I don't think they're winning anything, probably a 5th seed, but the fact they're getting guys on 1yr and ending contracts means they can swing big next yr in free agency. I actually read Harden was a guy they were targetting

[Story Up]

The starting 5 is so random. I can totally see this team being under .500.
They are not that good people.

Collison - lower tier starting PG
Mayo - 10 PPG on 40 % last year
Marion - old as shit
Dirk - declining
Kaman - decent center

This team sucks wtf some of u smoking.

[noosaman]

last season? Not even close.

Decent pickup for Dallas. I don't think they're winning anything, probably a 5th seed, but the fact they're getting guys on 1yr and ending contracts means they can swing big next yr in free agency. I actually read Harden was a guy they were targetting

What game was more impressive? Durant's 4-19 game 1 or his 6-20 game 2? The dude was garbage against Dallas in the first round.

[DuMa]

I need to know the terms of the deal before i can make my judgement

[Clippersfan86]

Spears just tweeted:

But after adding Collison, Mayo, Kaman, Brand and Jones, Dirk and the Mavs are younger and better now.




Well it seems one analyst thinks they could get HCA. Unless he means better is just a game or two.

You can be better and still get the 5 seed considering the Lakers, Clippers, Grizzlies will probably be better.

[Mr Know It All]

Oh my god, this forum is infested with idiots.
Stve Nash had a more efficient season last year then his 2 MVP seasons.
Nash isn't a ****ing guy that relies on athleticism. It's not just Nash/Jamison, it'd Pau and Bynum too. Nash will improve them as well, kind of like he did to Gortac who all the sudden is a beast center. Lol

There's no guarantee he's going to mesh with a guy like Kobe who demands significant touches and shots with the offense the Lakers run. Nash had full reign in Phoenix but now he must share those touches and the ball with Kobe who needs the ball in his hands to be successful as well.

I like what the Lakers did, and to be honest I believe they will be better (although not significantly). However, there's no guarantee that the pieces they have put together will work out so perfectly. There never is in sports. Look at the 2004 Mavericks, Current Knicks, sometimes talent doesn't always mesh together so well, especially when coaching is suspect. I'm not here to start a war with Laker Nation here on ISH, because I know they won't accept my contention that sometimes roster changes can turn a team on its head.

Anyway I apologize for hijacking this thread (Did I do that?). I do however believe that Dallas has made significant improvements in both their front court and back court and that should translate to more wins and a far better team barring injuries.

[ncrizzle]

Dwight, CP3, and Dwill are all on the phones with their agents demanding they get a trade to team up with this Mavs roster.

[Fudge]

Why do people think Mayo is some sort of difference maker, tho? Guy was Tony Allen's backup.


Tony Allen.
:facepalm

[DirkNowitzki41]

The starting 5 is so random. I can totally see this team being under .500.
They are not that good people.

Collison - lower tier starting PG
Mayo - 10 PPG on 40 % last year
Marion - old as shit
Dirk - declining
Kaman - decent center

This team sucks wtf some of u smoking.

:roll: :roll:

this guy is always soooooooo mad. so very mad.

[50inchvertical]

He finished at 46% with 26.5 and most importantly, 4 straight Ws.

Dirk was VERY instrumental in the game 4 meltdown, out there missing layups and turning the ball over.

By the way, Dirk averaged 26.75. A whole 1/4th of a point more, also less rebounds but most importantly, couldn't will his team to a W even at home

[QuebecBaller]

Nash, Harris, Kidd and now Collison... :rolleyes:

[lilojmayo]

OJ Mayo gets to be running mates and a 2nd option to Dirk.

Its time to revive a career.


and lol at oj staying in the southwest division. He going to be the new Grizzlies killer.

[Story Up]

:roll: :roll:

this guy is always soooooooo mad. so very mad.


Life's a bitch and then you die, so let's roll a joint and both get high, if at first you don't succeed, then get your ass some better weed.

I ain't even mad, I got dirk toilet paper tho.

[Clippersfan86]

Multi year deal. Not temporary 1 year deal.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Life's a bitch and then you die, so let's roll a joint and both get high, if at first you don't succeed, then get your ass some better weed.

I ain't even mad, I got dirk toilet paper tho.

you seriously said that team "sucks" and being under .500. Dirk carried much worse talent to solid records..

and your analysis of the players are horrific. You gotta be ****ing around bro.

mavs front office did a solid job this summer. everyone said mavs were gonna be a lottery team when DWill resigned with nets..

[BlackVVaves]

Actually if you followed the 2010-2011 season Dirk WAS the best player until he got hurt in Jan 11, and was posting career numbers, and he absoltuely dominated Lefraud in both regular season meetings. He took a shit on everyone in the regular season and he took an even bigger shit on everyone in the playoffs. Check your facts before you go on spouting ignorance. The Butler lineup was absolutely devastating against the rest of the league prior to Dirk and Caron's injuries.

And again, Dirk thoroughly outplayed Durant last postseason at age 33--he will be the better player until he retires. Don't believe the hype, son!

Dirk is not better than Lebron or Durant, and no one with half a brain agrees with you.

You need help, not a message board.

[ncrizzle]

Why do people think Mayo is some sort of difference maker, tho? Guy was Tony Allen's backup.


Tony Allen.

:biggums: Are you kidding? Go get your ****ing shinebox kid

Do you even watch basketball? Tony is the best perimeter defender in the game. He made all defensive 1st team this year. He is the glue to that team. He gets everyone to play our grit n grind style of defense. He is a specialist. OJ is a non efficient chucker. He can give u points, but he is going to put up way too many shots doing so.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Multi year deal. Not temporary 1 year deal.

So? Carter is gone next year. Hell, he could be gone this year since his contract is not gauranteed. DoJo can be gone as well. Same with Roddy considering their rookie contracts will be up.

And signing Mayo for a long term deal is smarter than trying to try and salvage Roddy/DoJo. And it still doesn't affect any roster moves in free agency next year.

[Mike Barrett]

Why is this even considered news? A scrub player joins a scrub team. Haha!

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

2 year deal.

First year is under 4.5 million and the second year is a player option.

[ncrizzle]

2 year deal.

First year is under 4.5 million and the second year is a player option.

Wait, is this OJ's contract?@?@?@??@?@?@:biggums:

Dude was asking for 10mill earlier today?

If the mavericks did sign him for this then:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Droid101]

Quoted directly from the ESPN page:


He averaged 12.6 points last season, shooting 40.8 percent from the floor and 36.4 percent from 3-point range. Mayo could become the Mavs' starting shooting guard alongside Collison, Dallas' new acquisition in a sign-and-trade with the Indiana Pacers.

He averaged 12.6 points last season, shooting 40.8 percent from the floor and 36.4 percent from 3-point range. Mayo could become the Mavs' starting shooting guard alongside Collison, Dallas' new acquisition in a sign-and-trade with the Indiana Pacers, or he could slip into Terry's former role as the team's sixth man.
:lol

[Clippersfan86]

If he was had that cheap it's a good signing+no brainer obviously.

[chazzy]

What was Phoenix offering?

[ncrizzle]

I cannot believe he didnt even get 6mill which is what beasley is getting

[MeLO MvP 15]

He actually signed for that cheap? Damn Mavs got a steal.

Meaning the Knicks could've actually gotten him in a sign and trade...... sigh

[unbreakable]

oj mayo could shine playing with a guy like dirk... just wish kidd was still there

[Story Up]

He wanted starting role so he can impress and get more money later, good luck in Dallas mini Kobe.

[ncrizzle]

He is well worth 4mill a year. congrats for them signing them for that cheap. But the Mavericks will not go .500, much less contend. All the signings are a bunch of overhyped players that didnt live up to expectations in the past that are now getting signed for what they were actually worth in the first place. Its Dirk and some average players.

[shortsoptional]

So much salt in this thread...

[OmniStrife]

Thank god we didn't sign him for that ridiculous amount of money...

[martycrane]

Sorry but ZERO chance in hell at the 3 seed for the Mavs. I see zero chance for them to finish better than Thunder, Lakers, Clippers, Spurs or Grizzlies.


i always lol when this guy talks about bball like he has a clue

[bmulls]

Lmao go read the "OJ Mayo to the Lakers?" thread and watch all the Lakers homers/Kobe stan hype him up. Now that he went to a different team he sucks.

God damn ISH sucks sometimes. If we banned all the Lakers fans this place would be infinitely more bearable.

[Cali Syndicate]

Damn, the Texas teams making all the noise this off-season.

[BlackVVaves]

Lmao go read the "OJ Mayo to the Lakers?" thread and watch all the Lakers homers/Kobe stan hype him up. Now that he went to a different team he sucks.

God damn ISH sucks sometimes. If we banned all the Lakers fans this place would be infinitely more bearable.

Anyone, Laker fan or other, saying this is a bad signing or that he "sucks" is two falls away from retarded.

Anyone saying this signing makes Dallas a top 3 seed in the West is already retarded.

[El Kabong]

ESPN reported it as a 2 year deal with a player option for the 2nd.

[Borat]

Anyone, Laker fan or other, saying this is a bad signing or that he "sucks" is two falls away from retarded.

Anyone saying this signing makes Dallas a top 3 seed in the West is already retarded.

So does saying they have zero chance of doing that.
There is definitely a small chance.

[Story Up]

So does saying they have zero chance of doing that.
There is definitely a small chance.
This...team...has...ZERO...chance at a title.
Are you people for real? 3 new starters, none of whom are all that great with an old Marion and Dirk?

Dirk will have to out produce 94' Hakeem in playoffs to even have a shot at WCF.

Lakers, Thunder, Spurs, Clippers and Grizzlies all clearly better.

[lilojmayo]

oj+dirk

you guys can have whoeveer


cause those to is all i need to win a ring

[#1SportsFan86]

This...team...has...ZERO...chance at a title.
Are you people for real? 3 new starters, none of whom are all that great with an old Marion and Dirk?

Dirk will have to out produce 94' Hakeem in playoffs to even have a shot at WCF.

Lakers, Thunder, Spurs, Clippers and Grizzlies all clearly better.

On paper that is...

[R.I.P.]

Joe Johnson

21 million

Darren Collison
OJ Mayo
Dahntay Jones
Elton Brand
Chris Kaman

18 million

Good job, good effort; Deron. Somebody better take that dudes keys or he

[DirkNowitzki41]

Am I crazy for thinking this team is better than what we could've had with Deron?

[DirkNowitzki41]

oj+dirk

you guys can have whoeveer


cause those to is all i need to win a ring

:rockon:

[R.I.P.]

Am I crazy for thinking this team is better than what we could've had with Deron?

Probably not. Depends on how desperate the Nets would have been. Had they done a S&T the Mavs would probably have lost Haywood (instead of amnesty), Marion, Beaubois and a 1st round pick. Still could have gotten at least Brand, Kaman and Collison, probably not Mayo. With Deron signing outright we

[All Net]

Didn't see that coming. Dallas now has a good looking team.

[El Kabong]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Joe Johnson

21 million

Darren Collison
OJ Mayo
Dahntay Jones
Elton Brand
Chris Kaman

18 million

Good job, good effort; Deron. Somebody better take that dudes keys or he

[Point Blank]

Theres a ton of bone head comments in this thread. People don't understand he's signing these players to attract other big names players next season. You think DWight would want to come to Dallas if Cuban had just said "**** it" and went to lower tier players? Cuban just saved a disaster of an offseason. Mavs fans, including I are actually looking forward to the season now.

[Cermet]

Damn now the suns don't have any decent SGs to sign..

[noosaman]

oj+dirk

you guys can have whoeveer


cause those to is all i need to win a ring

Hell yes. I always loved your username. Dirkules is going to turn OJ into the next great swingman.

[Cermet]

I don't get why the Suns want Courtney Lee. he is like a 10 ppg scorer. Mayo at least could put up like 15-18 ppg.

[OmniStrife]

I don't get why the Suns want Courtney Lee. he is like a 10 ppg scorer. Mayo at least could put up like 15-18 ppg.
Better shooter / Defender / Longer?

[blacknapalm]

good signing for dallas. they are starved for some offensive production. they ranked near the bottom of the league in offensive efficiency. mayo becomes the team's best SG, regardless if he starts or not. he's going to get starter minutes. i don't think 17/4/4 is out of the question for next season.

it adds good size to their backcourt. for dallas' sake, he's going to need to raise his FG% playing alongside dirk though....that said, i can't say they're better than a top 4 seed. maybe an upset in the playoffs but i don't see them getting to the WCF. still, they made a good push in the latter stages of FA and that alone deserves praise.

[Cermet]

Better shooter / Defender / Longer?
basically he is our 2nd Jared dudley....

[Bandito]

I don't get why the Suns want Courtney Lee. he is like a 10 ppg scorer. Mayo at least could put up like 15-18 ppg.
Lee is one of those players you want on your team because he can score and defend with the best of them. Think something like thabo.

[willds09]

mavs are back!:applause:

[JaE_BLiZZy]

Definitely will be attending some Maverick games this year to check em out.

[wagexslave]

Damn now the suns don't have any decent SGs to sign..
He was asking the Suns for 10m/year. Be glad they didn't sign him.

I'd rather just keep Shannon Brown and Michael Redd for dirt cheap on preferably 1-2 year deals anyways. Brown has just as much upside if not more than Mayo (if he can just "figure it out" aka not take so many stupid shots). And Redd, although inconsistent at times last year, was getting healthier as the year went on and seemed like he was losing a lot of weight and played really good for a backup at times.

[willds09]

He was asking the Suns for 10m/year. Be glad they didn't sign him.

I'd rather just keep Shannon Brown and Michael Redd for dirt cheap on preferably 1-2 year deals anyways. Brown has just as much upside if not more than Mayo (if he can just "figure it out" aka not take so many stupid shots). And Redd, although inconsistent at times last year, was getting healthier as the year went on and seemed like he was losing a lot of weight and played really good for a backup at times.
send brown to tha knicks:cheers:

[GOBB]

I love how idiots in here had the nerve to say it was a 1yr $12mil deal and that it was a GOOD SIGNING. How is OJ Mayo getting $12mil even for 1 year good? Its like any player nowadays could get any kind of contract offer and some of you think its golden. Why? You guys need to start using your brain more.


Anyway, glad that 1yr $12mil deal wasnt true before the retards tried to spin it as a good thing.

[wagexslave]

I love how idiots in here had the nerve to say it was a 1yr $12mil deal and that it was a GOOD SIGNING. How is OJ Mayo getting $12mil even for 1 year good? Its like any player nowadays could get any kind of contract offer and some of you think its golden. Why? You guys need to start using your brain more.


Anyway, glad that 1yr $12mil deal wasnt true before the retards tried to spin it as a good thing.
I still don't know what the real deal is. Some people say 1 year 12 million, other people say multi-year with 4.5 million the first year. Can we just wait until we have official word on the deal before we keep spreading these possibly fake rumors and confuse more people? 1 year 12 million and 4.5 million multi-year is a pretty huge difference...

[All Net]

Guessing it's a 8 million, 2 year deal.

[El Kabong]

Guessing it's a 8 million, 2 year deal.
Would have to be something like that since the Mavs only had about $4 million left to spend.

There's also people thinking a 3 team S&T might be worked out, with Celtics getting Terry, Mavs getting OJ and the Grizzlies getting filler and draft picks, so Mayo can get a bigger contract. Don't see that happening though.

[R.I.P.]

I still don't know what the real deal is. Some people say 1 year 12 million, other people say multi-year with 4.5 million the first year. Can we just wait until we have official word on the deal before we keep spreading these possibly fake rumors and confuse more people? 1 year 12 million and 4.5 million multi-year is a pretty huge difference...

Dallas only has around 4-4.5M left in capspace, so there is no way they could pay him 12M a year, even if they wanted to.

[wagexslave]

Dallas only has around 4-4.5M left in capspace, so there is no way they could pay him 12M a year, even if they wanted to.
Unless the contract is backloaded...

[AK47DR91]

mavs are back!:applause:
:lol You must have missed Mayo's playoff performance this past season.

[El Kabong]

Unless the contract is backloaded...
Mavs can't do that since Mayo is unrestricted? I thought you could only do the "poison pill" when signing restricted free agents. And don't you still need to be far enough under the cap to fit the "average" salary of the deal in your cap?

[wagexslave]

Well do the Mavs have anyone to amnesty?

[R.I.P.]

Unless the contract is backloaded...

Backload a one year deal? One year is one year. You can

[R.I.P.]

Well do the Mavs have anyone to amnesty?

Already did Haywood. How could you miss this earthshattering development? :D

[gasolina]

So how does dallas depth chart look now?

C - kaveman, brand
F - dirk, brand
F - marion
G - mayo, delonte, jones
G - collison, delonte

Carter might start if he resigns, dallas has a boner on him. How about beaubois?

Happy for oj he's found a new team. Not really liking pairing him with an already small darren collison.

Mayo has to start, i guess he could have negotiated that when picking between dallas or phoenix, but his style of play requires him to be on the floor at the most possible time ro be effective. Also, delonte is just straight up gangsta killah and will do his thing whether you start him, bring him off the bench, or send him to your moms crib.

They do need some bigger wing depth

[JohnnySic]

I like all their additions this offseason; very solid team.

[wagexslave]

Already did Haywood. How could you miss this earthshattering development? :D
I haven't payed much attention to the Mavs lately tbh lol :lol

[wagexslave]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Backload a one year deal? One year is one year. You can

[El Kabong]

Where was the official report stating that it's a 1 year deal only? This guy was looking for 10 million dollars just yesterday, I find it extremely hard to believe that he'd sign a 1 year 4 million dollar deal the very next day. :facepalm There's something more to this than what the rumors going around are stating.
It's reported as a 2 year deal with a player option for the 2nd, which barring a career ending injury he's most likely going to opt out of. He's basically taking a chance with the Mavs to improve his long term worth.

He was probably looking for $10 million, but got laughed out the door when he asked for it. If PHX didn't want him, that left the likes of the Lakers, Bulls and Celtics left as interested parties. Except with them he'd be competing for playing time, whereas the Mavs have plenty of minutes open at the guard positions.

[Yung D-Will]

Hmm, I'm gonna have to change my teams on leauge pass this season

Jazz
Mavs
Lakers
Wolves
(Maybe nets)

[fatboy11]

Sorry but ZERO chance in hell at the 3 seed for the Mavs. I see zero chance for them to finish better than Thunder, Lakers, Clippers, Spurs or Grizzlies.

Please.

I know you're a Clipper fan and all, but they're no guarantee to finish better than a revamped Dallas squad. Memphis, either. I wouldn't figure LAC would finish below Dallas, but I think it will be relatively close. I'd never be so hyperbolic as to say "zero chance", especially when there are going to be questions about Griffin's knee.

[longtime lurker]

I like this deal if it's a multi year contract, but Cuban needs to let go of this free agency pipe dream. He's already been burned once this year. Neither Dwight or Chris Paul is coming over to play with Dirk that willl be one year older. In any event its going to be awesome to see Mayo really show what hes capable of as a starter. There's going to be a lot of people eating crow.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Mayo should get a pretty good bump next to Dirk. The same way Terry and Barea did. Terry for example never shot above 44% before he started playing with Dirk.

[goldcrow]

Dallas signs Kaman, rips off the Pacers for two solid players, then gets Brand for a steal. Now this? Donnie got some mad negotiating skills especially signing all of them (except Mayo?) on one-year contracts. :bowdown: Good off-season to be a Mavs fan. :cheers:

[lilojmayo]

hmm there has to be method to this Madness
of Juice signing basically a one year 4.5 million dollar deal

He could have no doubt got more


-Starting role check
-Guaranteed 35 minutes a night check
- Playoff team check

I'm glad he knows its no joke aynmore, if you dont peform in the playoffs no one is going to pay you your value. Glad he sees that.. Hope he comes up guns and blazing this year

so he can get his big pay day this time around next season.

[All Net]

Considering people thought Cuban dropped the ball early he has recovered really well

[BoutPractice]

Nice signing. OJ can play the same role as Terry, except he's a full ten years younger (though he'll need time to develop the same chemistry with Dirk).

That team certainly looks better on paper than last year's, which was terrible (the lockout didn't help). There are no exceptional players, but it's well constructed, well balanced.

With one of two more defensive minded veterans/high character guys (ideally, a wing that can also shoot ala Battier and a shotblocking specialist), they could make some noise next year.

More importantly, they save themselves chance to be real contenders (perhaps even favourites?) in 2014 and 2015.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Btw, I imagine CJ Mustard (the poster) really hates this signing.

See what I did there?

[LJJ]

He could have no doubt got more


-Starting role check
-Guaranteed 35 minutes a night check


If Dallas bring Delonte back there I feel bad about OJ's chances of starting. Delonte West is miles ahead of Mayo in terms of basketball intelligence and overall effectiveness.

[ncrizzle]

Dallas signs Kaman, rips off the Pacers for two solid players, then gets Brand for a steal. Now this? Donnie got some mad negotiating skills especially signing all of them (except Mayo?) on one-year contracts. :bowdown: Good off-season to be a Mavs fan. :cheers:


All of these players are just average. They might be "solid" players, but they arent going to contend with this roster. Even if griffins knees are bad, Chris Paul can still carry that team farther than the Mavs will go.

[shortsoptional]

All of these players are just average. They might be "solid" players, but they arent going to contend with this roster. Even if griffins knees are bad, Chris Paul can still carry that team farther than the Mavs will go.

A fan says it's a good offseason for Mavs and you come back with "but they aren't going to contend with this roster"... ?

Ok man ....

So what, we should just let 4 teams battle it out this season because on paper they appear to be the favorites? If that was the case, Dirk wouldn't own a NBA Finals MVP because no one picked them.

People talking in absolutes drive me nuts.

You even brought forth an important part of NBA... injuries. You never know how that's going to turn different teams around, and it's which team gets hot at the right time.

[Yung D-Will]

Collison-Mayo.

Neither player have reached their potential, should be interesting to watch.

[ncrizzle]

A fan says it's a good offseason for Mavs and you come back with "but they aren't going to contend with this roster"... ?

Ok man ....

So what, we should just let 4 teams battle it out this season because on paper they appear to be the favorites? If that was the case, Dirk wouldn't own a NBA Finals MVP because no one picked them.

People talking in absolutes drive me nuts.

You even brought forth an important part of NBA... injuries. You never know how that's going to turn different teams around, and it's which team gets hot at the right time.

I only said that bc someone else was saying the clips, griz, spurs, were all just pretenders and the mavs (who got swept and have washed off every player from the championship team) are the real contenders after just signing all these new players. The mavs team you said everyone looked over had been together for a while and had great chemistry. This team is going to have to establish a completely new identity besides letting dirk get his points every night.

[Mr Know It All]

I only said that bc someone else was saying the clips, griz, spurs, were all just pretenders and the mavs (who got swept and have washed off every player from the championship team) are the real contenders after just signing all these new players. The mavs team you said everyone looked over had been together for a while and had great chemistry. This team is going to have to establish a completely new identity besides letting dirk get his points every night.

They are all pretenders. Grizzlies got beat by an inferior team in the 1st round (Thunder had trouble with the Mavs even in a sweep). I never said they were the "real contenders", I said they had just as good of a chance as these teams if not better to make noise in the West considering their history and personnel.

Clippers and Grizzlies fans were so insulted by my insinuation. You guys battled it out in a poorly coached and ugly 7 game series and the winner got demolished by an overrated Spurs squad in a sweep. Congratulations. The Grizzlies peaked when they took the Thunder to 7 games in 2011 and the Clippers still have plenty to prove before they are considered a perennial contender (Griffin injuries, Paul staying/leaving, horrible coaching).

[shortsoptional]

I only said that bc someone else was saying the clips, griz, spurs, were all just pretenders and the mavs (who got swept and have washed off every player from the championship team) are the real contenders after just signing all these new players. The mavs team you said everyone looked over had been together for a while and had great chemistry. This team is going to have to establish a completely new identity besides letting dirk get his points every night.

That's fine... so "someone" said they were pretenders and that made you say that?

And that team that had been together for a while hadn't really been together THAT long. Chandler was only there that one year. Caron Butler, who was the starter had only been there a half a year before that and then didn't play. Same for DeShawn, and Haywood. Hell, Peja, who had a tremendous impact in the playoffs was only there a half a year. So a lot of the role players hadn't been there a terribly long time.

Dallas usually has chemistry because the alpha male doesn't have a huge ego. No one is saying this is making Dallas the favorite so I don't know why that means you feel like you have to say they won't "contend".

Because you don't know that. You can think that, but you have no clue how the chemistry, injuries, trades will affect everything throughout the season.

I agree you need chemistry, but that doesn't mean it can't be had in one season.

[DuMa]

dammit what are the terms of the deal? i want to know :mad:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

OJ Mayo will be slicing through the opponent's defense like another OJ slicing through...........




too soon?

[Mr Know It All]

OJ Mayo will be slicing through the opponwnt's defense like another OJ dlicing through...........




too soon?

Nothing is ever too soon.

[BlackVVaves]

They are all pretenders. Grizzlies got beat by an inferior team in the 1st round (Thunder had trouble with the Mavs even in a sweep). I never said they were the "real contenders", I said they had just as good of a chance as these teams if not better to make noise in the West considering their history and personnel.

Clippers and Grizzlies fans were so insulted by my insinuation. You guys battled it out in a poorly coached and ugly 7 game series and the winner got demolished by an overrated Spurs squad in a sweep. Congratulations. The Grizzlies peaked when they took the Thunder to 7 games in 2011 and the Clippers still have plenty to prove before they are considered a perennial contender (Griffin injuries, Paul staying/leaving, horrible coaching).

I always laugh when people make this argument about teams that lose in 4 or 5 games in the playoffs.

What does that even mean? How does a team that gets swept give the team sweeping them a "hard time"?

Do you expect it to be 20 point blowouts every game? It's a basketball game, there's competition for 48 minutes. Sweeps are hardly ever "easy" game to game in the playoffs.

But, you STILL GOT SWEPT. Which means as a team, you clearly had no chance in the series against the other team. In the playoffs, a win is a win, a lost is a lost, and a sweep is a sweep.

[ncrizzle]

That's fine... so "someone" said they were pretenders and that made you say that?

And that team that had been together for a while hadn't really been together THAT long. Chandler was only there that one year. Caron Butler, who was the starter had only been there a half a year before that and then didn't play. Same for DeShawn, and Haywood. Hell, Peja, who had a tremendous impact in the playoffs was only there a half a year. So a lot of the role players hadn't been there a terribly long time.

Dallas usually has chemistry because the alpha male doesn't have a huge ego. No one is saying this is making Dallas the favorite so I don't know why that means you feel like you have to say they won't "contend".

Because you don't know that. You can think that, but you have no clue how the chemistry, injuries, trades will affect everything throughout the season.

I agree you need chemistry, but that doesn't mean it can't be had in one season.

Its just my opinion that this team is not gonna be great. They are a WHOLE lot better than they were a week ago. They will be able to attract some good FA next year and will be right back in the mix.

[jbot]

at least it's only for 1 year.

[ncrizzle]

They are all pretenders. Grizzlies got beat by an inferior team in the 1st round (Thunder had trouble with the Mavs even in a sweep). I never said they were the "real contenders", I said they had just as good of a chance as these teams if not better to make noise in the West considering their history and personnel.

Clippers and Grizzlies fans were so insulted by my insinuation. You guys battled it out in a poorly coached and ugly 7 game series and the winner got demolished by an overrated Spurs squad in a sweep. Congratulations. The Grizzlies peaked when they took the Thunder to 7 games in 2011 and the Clippers still have plenty to prove before they are considered a perennial contender (Griffin injuries, Paul staying/leaving, horrible coaching).

So wait, what team do you root for again? Are you a mavs fan or just someone who is bashing the western conference? Im being serious. Cant tell if trolling or just ignant

[R.I.P.]

dante cunningham is a 2 guard?

Jared Cunningham (Rookie)

Rotation imho

Collison/Beaubois/DoJo
Mayo/D. Jones/Cunningham
Marion/Carter/Crowder
Dirk/Wright
Kaman/Brand/James

Players put at the position they will spend the majority of minutes. Mavs will either sign West or another SF/PF combo player with their Room exception (2.5).

[AMISTILLILL]

"Rumor" has it Denver is looking to amnesty Birdman. Dallas should pick him up... he'd be a decent backup, and he'd give them a front court whiter than the Timberwolves.

[BlackVVaves]

So wait, what team do you root for again? Are you a mavs fan or just someone who is bashing the western conference? Im being serious. Cant tell if trolling or just ignant

:oldlol:

[jbot]

Jared Cunningham (Rookie)

Rotation imho

Collison/Beaubois/DoJo
Mayo/D. Jones/Cunningham
Marion/Carter/Crowder
Dirk/Wright
Kaman/Brand/James

Players put at the position they will spend the majority of minutes. Mavs will either sign West or another SF/PF combo player with their Room exception (2.5).
heh. i thought i edited my post fast enough.

[R.I.P.]

"Rumor" has it Denver is looking to amnesty Birdman. Dallas should pick him up... he'd be a decent backup, and he'd give them a front court whiter than the Timberwolves.

Nobody is gonna touch Birdman, while he has the criminal investigation hanging over his head.

[AMISTILLILL]

Nobody is gonna touch Birdman, while he has the criminal investigation hanging over his head.
I thought most of that stuff was resolved..? It was something he wasn't actually connected with or something. Could be wrong.

[miles berg]

Where there is smoke there is fire, with all of the stuff going on with Dez Bryant I really dont want to have to hear about Chris Andersen's stuff every day too.

[Mr Know It All]

So wait, what team do you root for again? Are you a mavs fan or just someone who is bashing the western conference? Im being serious. Cant tell if trolling or just ignant

I just call it like I see it. Mavericks have improved and gotten younger at every position. I'm not bashing the Western conference, but I consider a contender someone who has a chance to win a title in the coming season. The Clippers and Grizzlies have a 0% chance of winning the title next season.

[ncrizzle]

I just call it like I see it. Mavericks have improved and gotten younger at every position. I'm not bashing the Western conference, but I consider a contender someone who has a chance to win a title in the coming season. The Clippers and Grizzlies have a 0% chance of winning the title next season.

:biggums: Again, what team do you root for?

First off, anything can happen in the league. Im pretty sure that both the clips and grizz beat the heat, thunder, lakers, and bulls last year. Its all about match ups when it comes to the playoffs. And lets say Lebron and Durant both have season ending injuries? Are the lakers automatically the champs? Second off, if the grizz and clippers have a %0 of winning it, then what chance do the Mavs have? 1/4th of %0 ? Both teams will finish more than 15 games ahead of the mavs. I am certain of one thing. You have a %0 chance of winning the title when YOU DONT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. that is looking likely

[AlonzoGOAT]

I haven't read much into this thread but I have no idea why mayo would want to play football I think he's good enough to become a consistent starter but football?! I know dallas is a pretty big place for football but I don't like tony romo that dude is a bum and a choker :facepalm

[Mr Know It All]

:biggums: Again, what team do you root for?

First off, anything can happen in the league. Im pretty sure that both the clips and grizz beat the heat, thunder, lakers, and bulls last year. Its all about match ups when it comes to the playoffs. And lets say Lebron and Durant both have season ending injuries? Are the lakers automatically the champs? Second off, if the grizz and clippers have a %0 of winning it, then what chance do the Mavs have? 1/4th of %0 ? Both teams will finish more than 15 games ahead of the mavs. I am certain of one thing. You have a %0 chance of winning the title when YOU DONT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. that is looking likely

Haha is the homerism in this thread running this deep?:oldlol:

[JustinJDW]

Why didn't the Mavs just resign Terry for what was like 5 mil a year, instead of paying Mayo 12 mil? Terry's impact on games is far superior to that of Mayo's. And Terry is a boss in the Playoffs. Mayo is just more athletic.

:confusedshrug:

[ncrizzle]

Haha is the homerism in this thread running this deep?:oldlol:

Your delusions are whats running deep.

Put the rosters of the grizz and clips next to the mavs and tell me the mavs are a better team than either? Of course i have some homerism. Wouldnt be a fan if i didnt. But i ****ing hate the clippers, yet can still admit they are good.

[R.I.P.]

Your delusions are whats running deep.

Put the rosters of the grizz and clips next to the mavs and tell me the mavs are a better team than either? Of course i have some homerism. Wouldnt be a fan if i didnt. But i ****ing hate the clippers, yet can still admit they are good.

The only starting position the Clippers are better at than the Mavs is PG. :lol

[Mr Know It All]

Your delusions are whats running deep.

Put the rosters of the grizz and clips next to the mavs and tell me the mavs are a better team than either? Of course i have some homerism. Wouldnt be a fan if i didnt. But i ****ing hate the clippers, yet can still admit they are good.

Never said they were bad, just that both are pretenders, and they are.


But 15 games ahead of a better Mavericks team which kept pace with them throughout most of this lockout season? Alright buddy.

[ncrizzle]

The only starting position the Clippers are better at than the Mavs is PG. :lol

Surely you realize that the 5 guys who start dont play the entire game. The clippers bench is the reason they beat grizz in the playoffs. Also, with CP3 playing PG, he is going to make his team mates much better. Im gonna stop defending the clippers because i really dont like them. But they are still going to be a better team than the Mavs

[ncrizzle]

Never said they were bad, just that both are pretenders, and they are.


But 15 games ahead of a better Mavericks team which kept pace with them throughout most of this lockout season? Alright buddy.

You still gonna continue stroking this team off like you arent Mavs fan? This is getting childish. Lets just agree to disagree.

[All Net]

Why didn't the Mavs just resign Terry for what was like 5 mil a year, instead of paying Mayo 12 mil? Terry's impact on games is far superior to that of Mayo's. And Terry is a boss in the Playoffs. Mayo is just more athletic.

:confusedshrug:

They want and need to get younger.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Why didn't the Mavs just resign Terry for what was like 5 mil a year, instead of paying Mayo 12 mil? Terry's impact on games is far superior to that of Mayo's. And Terry is a boss in the Playoffs. Mayo is just more athletic.

1) Mayo didn't sign a 3 year deal. Terry signed a 3 year 15 million dollar deal.
2) Mayo didn't sign for 12 million dollars.

Mayo signed for 2 years. The 1st year is for about 4 million. The second year is roughly the same amount but is a player option.

[DMAVS41]

Why didn't the Mavs just resign Terry for what was like 5 mil a year, instead of paying Mayo 12 mil? Terry's impact on games is far superior to that of Mayo's. And Terry is a boss in the Playoffs. Mayo is just more athletic.

:confusedshrug:

Terry has played well in the playoffs like twice since becoming a Mav. 06 and 11. Really pretty much every other year he was subpar in the playoffs.

Not to mention he's old.

[Mr Know It All]

You still gonna continue stroking this team off like you arent Mavs fan? This is getting childish. Lets just agree to disagree.

How am I stroking them? Just said they have gotten much better with their current additions, it's the truth. You must be blind to ignore that.

[ispin69]

It's pretty obvious Mavs want cap space for this next off season and the one after that. They're only wanting one year contracts, because Terry has already left for Boston, they had little leverage to get a OJ Mayo for just one year (it would have been expensive too). Either way, Mayo has talent and can be moved as an expiring contract after this season anyways.

Mavs only want short term deals for cap space. Only one year deals and two if they really really have to. Terry was looking for longer than a short term deal and probably more money than Mavs would have liked.

[Segatti]

Sorry but ZERO chance in hell at the 3 seed for the Mavs. I see zero chance for them to finish better than Thunder, Lakers, Clippers, Spurs or Grizzlies.

Clippers is weak, stop deluding yourself.

[lilojmayo]

OJ to become the new Grizzlies killer?

[HylianNightmare]

wtf

[ncrizzle]

:lol
OJ to become the new Grizzlies killer?

he is going to be playing against Tony Allen, the best perimeter defender in the league.The guy stole OJs starting spot and he literally misses a lay up a game.

Also, if u remember the fight on the plane where juice was baggering TA about a debt he owed and Tony landed 5 good punches while oj just got hit. If there is anyone ok does not want to go against, it is Tony Allen

http://thesportsporch.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/tony-allen4.jpg

[kenny817]

:lol

he is going to be playing against Tony Allen, the best perimeter defender in the league.The guy stole OJs starting spot and he literally misses a lay up a game.

Also, if u remember the fight on the plane where juice was baggering TA about a debt he owed and Tony landed 5 good punches while oj just got hit. If there is anyone ok does not want to go against, it is Tony Allen

http://thesportsporch.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/tony-allen4.jpg

Shawn Marion is better defensively

[brandonislegend]

Shawn Marion is better defensively

Maybe 7 years ago.

[#1SportsFan86]

Maybe 7 years ago.

:rolleyes:

You must not have seen the Mavs run to the Finals.

[ncrizzle]

:rolleyes:

You must not have seen the Mavs run to the Finals.


You realize one is 6'4 perimeter orientated and more of an on the ball guy. Marion , who still is very good,at 6'7 is much more attracted to defending in the paint while trying to pull down boards. Both are great, but Tony Allen literally changed his whole teams defensive philosophy. He forces the whole team to play great D. He communicates with everyone, orchestrating the defense. He is the father of grit and grind.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OlXjccasePg/TZM4brxwNmI/AAAAAAAABPw/lTu5NjM4onc/s320/100_0326.jpg

You dont see fan made shirts with any other grizz members face on them. Tony Allen is loved in this city because he has coached the team as much as he has played minutes. He is an amazing player and a true defensive specialist

[Haymaker]

You realize one is 6'4 perimeter orientated and more of an on the ball guy. Marion , who still is very good,at 6'7 is much more attracted to defending in the paint while trying to pull down boards. Both are great, but Tony Allen literally changed his whole teams defensive philosophy. He forces the whole team to play great D. He communicates with everyone, orchestrating the defense. He is the father of grit and grind.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OlXjccasePg/TZM4brxwNmI/AAAAAAAABPw/lTu5NjM4onc/s320/100_0326.jpg

You dont see fan made shirts with any other grizz members face on them. Tony Allen is loved in this city because he has coached the team as much as he has played minutes. He is an amazing player and a true defensive specialist

It's amazing how both he and Perkins changed the defensive culture in their own respective teams. That Thibs/Rivers duo was something special.

[ncrizzle]

It's amazing how both he and Perkins changed the defensive culture in their own respective teams. That Thibs/Rivers duo was something special.

The bulls are my second favorite team. I love how the defense operates . Its kind of similar to the grizz, expect that theres is a little more polished schemes wise , and ours is a little more gritty and tenacious. Also the jordan era was when i was first drawn into the game. My father and I actually talked with him for at least 5 minutes when he was in town playing with the Birmingham Barrons:facepalm
None the less, we didnt talk a thing about baseball. Also, DRose is my favorite player in the league. While there are other guys who have put on a memphis jersey like Penny, Lorenzen Wright, Larry Finch, Kieth Lee, and even Chris Douglas Robers who was on his same team , he did take a team to the NCAA championships as a freshman. So i have always followed them. Its a shame rose went down. I really thought they were gonna win it last year. Now Rose has to wait another year before the bulls have a legitimate season

[raptorfan_dr07]

Good signing for the Mavs. They're quietly putting together a solid team. Don't see why they can't be a top 4 seed in the West with home court at least in the first round. After OKC, the West is wide open.

[Haymaker]

The bulls are my second favorite team because the jordan era was when i was first drawn into the game. My father and I actually talked with him for at least 5 minutes when he was in town playing with the Birmingham Barrons:facepalm
None the less, we didnt talk a thing about baseball. Also, DRose is my favorite player in the league. While there are other guys who have put on a memphis jersey like Penny, Lorenzen Wright, Larry Finch, Kieth Lee, and even Chris Douglas Robers who was on his same team , he did take a team to the NCAA championships as a freshman. So i have always followed them. Its a shame rose went down. I really thought they were gonna win it last year. Now Rose has to wait another year before the bulls have a legitimate season Funny because the Bulls are my second fave too. I'm always suggesting trades or signings here that would improve their team, and it's frustrating because they were in a good position this past season and the Rose thing happened. If the bulls shouldn't do one thing, it's getting rid of coach Thibs. He's one in a million.

[ncrizzle]

Good signing for the Mavs. They're quietly putting together a solid team. Don't see why they can't be a top 4 seed in the West with home court at least in the first round. After OKC, the West is wide open.



This article is exactly what i would have expressed if i was asked to explain in detail why i think the Mavs are not going to be a good team this year.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8171936/dallas-mavericks-acquisitions-hard-get-excited-about

By Jean-Jacques Taylor | ESPNDallas.com

Your Dallas Mavericks have been legitimate title contenders each season for about a decade.

"No more.
Not right now, anyway. And unless they can figure out a way to acquire a superstar of Dirk Nowitzki's caliber during the next couple of seasons, it's going to be a while before they're contenders again, no matter how much financial flexibility and dry powder they have.

The reality is it's going to take some time to grow accustomed to viewing the Mavs as merely a playoff contender in the Western Conference and changing the standard by which we judge them.

For a couple of weeks, the Mavs had us gung ho over the prospect of adding Deron Williams to the roster. Now, we're supposed to get excited about Elton Brand and O.J. Mayo, who reportedly agreed to terms with the club late Monday night.

C'mon man.

No one gets excited about a backup power forward/center who averaged a career-low 11 points and 7.1 rebounds, the second-lowest mark of his career, as a 33-year-old with Philadelphia. After all, the 76ers let him go through the league's amnesty program because they deemed -- correctly -- that he was no longer worth the $18.1 million he was scheduled to earn.

Now, he's a member of the Mavs for the consignment shop price of $2.1 million.

And you must be suspicious when an up-and-coming playoff team such as Memphis that finished tied with the Los Angeles Lakers for the third-best record in the West essentially lets Mayo walk for nothing.

Woo-hoo!

Do you think Charlotte fans were thrilled with the player they received -- none other than former Mavs center Brendan Haywood -- from the same amnesty program as Brand? Of course not.

There's always an exception such as Luis Scola, but Houston released him because the Rockets want to make a play for Dwight Howard, not because Scola's not worth the money.

Understand, this isn't about Brand. Or Mayo. It's so much bigger than either of them.

We know Brand is the consummate professional and he's going to play as hard as he can each game. We know he's going to provide solid minutes when Nowitzki and new center Chris Kaman need a breather.

From time to time, Brand will have a 20-point game or a 15-rebound performance that helps the Mavs win a ballgame. We know Mayo will hit the 3-pointer and provide some stellar offensive moments. He's capable of the spectacular on occasion.

Ultimately, though, neither player is going help the Mavs contend for a title next season.

It's not supposed to be championship or bust, but for the best NBA franchises that's exactly what it is. Ask the folks in San Antonio. Or Los Angeles. Or Miami. Or Boston.

Go ahead and ask them if they're happy with anything less than a title. They'll tell you no.

Maybe even hell no.

And that's how it has been in Dallas since the Mavs started regularly churning out 50-win seasons.

These Mavs, as currently constructed, aren't equipped to do much next season other than serve as first-round playoff fodder for a real contender, if we're lucky. Otherwise, they'll be lottery-bound.

This team is about to hop on the treadmill of mediocrity that every franchise seeks to avoid because it means you're too good to get a game-changing player at the top of the draft, but not good enough to compete for a title.

Thirteen months after winning the first title in franchise history, the Mavs want you to remain emotionally invested just because they acquired a young point guard in Darren Collison, who lost his job in Indianapolis; a veteran center in Kaman, who couldn't persuade any team to give him a multi-year deal; Brand, whose former team believed he wasn't worth the money; or Mayo, who was allowed to become a free agent.

That's the truth.

If you choose to be optimistic about the Mavs' acquisitions, it's OK. Collison, Kaman, Brand and Mayo certainly make the Mavs better than they were a week ago when Williams and Jason Kidd spurned them and Jason Terry left for Boston.

But these Mavs are a fringe playoff team at best.

After weeks of listening to the Mavs' hierarchy talk about signing a "big fish" and making Dirk the second-best player on the roster, getting excited about their collection of acquisitions is hard to do.

[ncrizzle]

Funny because the Bulls are my second fave too. I'm always suggesting trades or signings here that would improve their team, and it's frustrating because they were in a good position this past season and the Rose thing happened. If the bulls shouldn't do one thing, it's getting rid of coach Thibs. He's one in a million.

Unless Phil Jackson wants his job back, Thibs will be in Chicago. The team has really grown together and the evolution of it was fun. Going from Del Negro Roses first year it was prety much Lets see how Far Derrick can take us. When thibs got there rose was the one who was taking them, offensively. But they started playing real team defense. Rose is going to be $$$ shooting the ball soon. If he can become a top perimeter PG defender, he will probably be mvp again

[kentatm]

I wouldn't take a JTT article seriously at all.

You must not realize that the Dallas media is hypercritical and constantly bitches about everything as if its the end of the world.

They do things like constantly whine about the Rangers even though they have had the best record in baseball most of the year. The ridiculous amounts of over analyzing of every detail about the Cowboys, no matter how inane, are mind numbing. They also pretty just make shit up, usually negative, in their heads about players intentions and mindsets that they couldn't possibly know and treat them as fact.

[kenny817]

I wouldn't take a JTT article seriously at all.

You must not realize that the Dallas media is hypercritical and constantly bitches about everything as if its the end of the world.

They do things like constantly whine about the Rangers even though they have had the best record in baseball most of the year. The ridiculous amounts of over analyzing of every detail about the Cowboys, no matter how inane, are mind numbing. They also pretty just make shit up, usually negative, in their heads about players intentions and mindsets that they couldn't possibly know and treat them as fact.

Only people not from Dallas keep quoting these idiot Dallas writers. No one here takes them seriously.

They are all naysayers and downtalk any moves...yet they were ALL front and center at the championship parade

Morons

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

JJT was also the same one that Dirk would never win a championship as the number 1 guy.

And after losing to Portland in Game 4, he said, same old Mavs... soft.... etc.

[bmulls]

Only people not from Dallas keep quoting these idiot Dallas writers. No one here takes them seriously.

They are all naysayers and downtalk any moves...yet they were ALL front and center at the championship parade

Morons

Was about to say this but you guys covered it. Jean Jaques Taylor is a joke even in Dallas. Everybody I know hates that dude.

[CelticBaller]

Only people not from Dallas keep quoting these idiot Dallas writers. No one here takes them seriously.

They are all naysayers and downtalk any moves...yet they were ALL front and center at the championship parade

Morons
Wow Dallas fans really got arrogant when the Mavs finally won that ring :oldlol:


Your team isn't going to do shit in the playoffs, deal with it.

[lilojmayo]

who are all the dallas fans on ish speak up

[DirkNowitzki41]

who are all the dallas fans on ish speak up

right here brah.

Happy to have your boy on the team

[Hank]

Wow Dallas fans really got arrogant when the Mavs finally won that ring :oldlol:


Your team isn't going to do shit in the playoffs, deal with it.

neither is yours

[DTreats]

neither is yours
and neither is yours

[DirkNowitzki41]

neither is yours

very true.

celtics are done

[kenny817]

who are all the dallas fans on ish speak up

Me

[kenny817]

Wow Dallas fans really got arrogant when the Mavs finally won that ring :oldlol:


Your team isn't going to do shit in the playoffs, deal with it.

They said the same thing when we destroyed every powerhouse in the league to get that chip

STFU

[kenny817]

Wow Dallas fans really got arrogant when the Mavs finally won that ring :oldlol:


Your team isn't going to do shit in the playoffs, deal with it.

Just noticed your name...LOLOLOLOLOL

the irony