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niko
07-17-2012, 04:07 PM
Per Beck.

Let the anger begin. Dissapointing. I get it, and i blame Lin personally (the last little money grab was bad, and if he really needed to do it he needed to give them a heads up and not let it publicly leak out that Lin was making a contract to kill Knick interest.

I do not want to hear from Lin "I really wanted to be a Knick" because if he did, he wouldn't have sat with the Rockets an extra time to make a contract to prevent that from happening.

I don't blame him for leaving, but don't feed me the bullshit and expect me to accept it.

Batz
07-17-2012, 04:08 PM
K.

PJR
07-17-2012, 04:09 PM
http://www.fwweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/nuke.jpg

KyrieTheFuture
07-17-2012, 04:09 PM
The one time a player with a "bad" contract can actually do something for them they don't do it. What a joke of a FO.

Snoop_Cat
07-17-2012, 04:10 PM
ball sacks

NOHCP3
07-17-2012, 04:10 PM
Per Batman style riot that's about to take place in NY

fatboy11
07-17-2012, 04:10 PM
*sigh*

Bring it, Lin.

Over the past couple of days, I've braced myself for either decision. Barring a big move for a star, he'll be in a great situation to grow with other young players in Houston.

Major downside here is that I was looking forward to the Rockets maybe changing their logo and jerseys, but I doubt that now that they have another Asian phenom to market.

SCREWstonRockets
07-17-2012, 04:11 PM
***
twitter.com/howardbeckNYT

Posting momentarily to http://nytimes.com : Lin will be a Rocket. Knicks deliberations over



Yes! Rockets don't have to roll into the season with Machado/Fortson as our PGs...

niko
07-17-2012, 04:11 PM
I just love the NBA. Excuse me as i wipe my ass with my Lin shirt.

Faptastrophe
07-17-2012, 04:11 PM
http://i.imgur.com/tjpah.gif

p.s. Edit the title and add sources, goddammit.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 04:12 PM
The one time a player with a "bad" contract can actually do something for them they don't do it. What a joke of a FO.
We'll see if this is a bad contract or not when Lin plays in Houston.

eliteballer
07-17-2012, 04:12 PM
The one time a player with a "bad" contract can actually do something for them they don't do it. What a joke of a FO.

:roll:

Blue&Orange
07-17-2012, 04:13 PM
Lies! Lies! All lies!!

Sarcastic
07-17-2012, 04:13 PM
Are the rockets going to have a celebration, complete with smoke and fire, ala Miami?

bagelred
07-17-2012, 04:14 PM
Yes. We. Didn't.









I hate my life. I hate my avatar.

christian1923
07-17-2012, 04:14 PM
God sends the knicks a blessing and a saint and we ****ed it up. I feel like the Jews

niko
07-17-2012, 04:15 PM
Per Batman style riot that's about to take place in NY
Nah, people are kind of reserved to it. Even my asian "i just became a Knick fan to cheer for a fellow asian" are like..$50M really?

The feeling if i can explain it is if you have a person if your life who always dissapoints you, and something happens that is totally not their fault and makes them dissapoint you again. Because they always disappoint you, it just feels empty them explaining it's not their fault "THIS TIME"/

IGOTGAME
07-17-2012, 04:16 PM
Per Beck.

Let the anger begin. Dissapointing. I get it, and i blame Lin personally (the last little money grab was bad, and if he really needed to do it he needed to give them a heads up and not let it publicly leak out that Lin was making a contract to kill Knick interest.

I do not want to hear from Lin "I really wanted to be a Knick" because if he did, he wouldn't have sat with the Rockets an extra time to make a contract to prevent that from happening.

I don't blame him for leaving, but don't feed me the bullshit and expect me to accept it.

I totally agree with you. Houston probably promised him more time on the ball for Linsanity and he ate it up. I don't think he wants to attempt to fit his talents around Melo and Amare.

niko
07-17-2012, 04:16 PM
One Caveat - wait for Knicks to announce it before venting full anger (or full happiness, depending on your POV). If it's a "i heard it", it's possible (albeit very unlikely) to change.

Kujo
07-17-2012, 04:17 PM
To repeat what I said in the other thread,

So Dolan is going to let his pride get in the way of improving of his team. Good luck with Felton, and Kidd as your PG's next year NY Knicks.

I look forward to Houston's only visit next to MSG next season.

I really wanted to see Lin back with the Knicks. Instead, he'll be stuck with a fringe playoff, lottery bound team in Houston.

Blue&Orange
07-17-2012, 04:17 PM
Knicks leak out the information they aren't matching

In Houston Morey high five his lackeys... champagne bottles are opened, Lincelebration...

In NY 1 minute before the deadline

"We are matching bitches!!!"



:coleman:

niko
07-17-2012, 04:17 PM
I totally agree with you. Houston probably promised him more time on the ball for Linsanity and he ate it up. I don't think he wants to attempt to fit his talents around Melo and Amare.
I don't mind him leaving, i don't mind him seeking more money, better team ,etc. But if i get the Tebowesque "I'm a total saint and of course i didn't try to leave because i'm just too good" I'm going to be upset.

RRR3
07-17-2012, 04:18 PM
God sends the knicks a blessing and a saint and we ****ed it up. I feel like the Jews
Shut the **** up.

asd
07-17-2012, 04:19 PM
Madison Square Garden's value jumped up $170 million over the course of less than two weeks when Linsanity started.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/thestreet/2012/02/17/jeremy-lin-the-170-million-man/

Now, the Knicks can't even shell out $30 million for year three.


This isn't a case of 'is-he-worth-it?'

It's clearly a combination of jealousy and racism (jr+melo!)

christian1923
07-17-2012, 04:19 PM
Shut the **** up.
I saw Mel gibsons the passion dude

NOHCP3
07-17-2012, 04:20 PM
Nah, people are kind of reserved to it. Even my asian "i just became a Knick fan to cheer for a fellow asian" are like..$50M really?

The feeling if i can explain it is if you have a person if your life who always dissapoints you, and something happens that is totally not their fault and makes them dissapoint you again. Because they always disappoint you, it just feels empty them explaining it's not their fault "THIS TIME"/

Agreed the contract is egregious but just find it weird that the Knicks were prepared to match the billion dollar offer then the 50 million(in cost) offer comes and they say woahhh :lol

But it's the right decision. Just knowing he was a folk hero and is being replaced by Felton just gives u a weird feeling

niko
07-17-2012, 04:21 PM
Madison Square Garden jumped up $170 million over the course of less than two weeks when Linsanity started.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/thestreet/2012/02/17/jeremy-lin-the-170-million-man/

Now, the Knicks can't even shell out $30 million for year three.


This isn't a case of 'is-he-worth-it?'

It's clearly a combination of jealousy and racism (jr+melo!)
Yes MSG is ****ing themselves over - they really want him but are racist.

Are you ****ing stupid?

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 04:22 PM
I don't mind him leaving, i don't mind him seeking more money, better team ,etc. But if i get the Tebowesque "I'm a total saint and of course i didn't try to leave because i'm just too good" I'm going to be upset.
Why is it Lin's fault that the Knicks allowed him to taste free agency?

How stupid can the Knicks front office be not to think teams will want a piece of "Linsanity"?

niko
07-17-2012, 04:23 PM
Note: i am VERY disappointed. I know this isn't reasonable, but honestly for all the bullshit i have put up with, i almost feel like the Knicks owe me one. I'm not even kidding.

But "MELO IS THE PROBLEM!". "THE GARDEN IS RACIST!" "THE KNICKS WOULDN'T DEAL FAIRLY!"

Let's be real, he wanted more money, made a contract that the Garden couldn't match (whether because that was the only way to get more money or if it was to escape we will never no) and the garden won't match.

Vent away on it being a bad basketball decision but it's not racism. Racism?

Fiasco
07-17-2012, 04:24 PM
lol @ anyone blaming Lin

niko
07-17-2012, 04:24 PM
Why is it Lin's fault that the Knicks allowed him to taste free agency?

How stupid can the Knicks front office be not to think teams will want a piece of "Linsanity"?
If you are not going to address the specific point i made then feel free not to respond to my post. I'm not going to engage in generalities.

Sarcastic
07-17-2012, 04:25 PM
Why is it Lin's fault that the Knicks allowed him to taste free agency?

How stupid can the Knicks front office be not to think teams will want a piece of "Linsanity"?

They had to let him go find his market value. They got mad when he went and tried to find it for the second time.

asd
07-17-2012, 04:25 PM
Yes MSG is ****ing themselves over - they really want him but are racist.

Are you ****ing stupid?


it's obvious that melo chased dantoni out of town.

with melo calling the shots, he calls lin's contract ridiculous, and jr smith backs him up on twitter.

sh*t ain't right

RRR3
07-17-2012, 04:26 PM
I saw Mel gibsons the passion dude
Mel Gibson is an anti-Semitic ****. Jesus was a Jew for ****s sake he may have been a rabbi even. You know nothing.

niko
07-17-2012, 04:26 PM
Anyone thinking Lin wants 100% to come back and progressed to make that happen is being a bit naive. AGain, this is not a criticism nor me saying the Garden did not misplay this totally. But Lin as the saintly figure who wanted nothing more than to be in NY forever, really?

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 04:26 PM
I totally agree with you. Houston probably promised him more time on the ball for Linsanity and he ate it up. I don't think he wants to attempt to fit his talents around Melo and Amare.
Individually, he's better off with the Rockets. But Houston barely has a roster, and if it doesn't improve Lin's attraction might just die there.

The Rockets now have to make a run for the playoffs for Lin to have the same amount of fan interests. The Chinese fans will always support him but they won't be watching or care if he's not in the playoffs or battling for the spot.

Clutch
07-17-2012, 04:27 PM
lol @ anyone blaming Lin
He wanted to get as much money as he can. He'll get it but in Houston.

Faptastrophe
07-17-2012, 04:28 PM
"The Knicks are not expected to announce their decision until this evening, and there is still a chance — albeit incredibly small — that it could be reversed. But as of 4 p.m. the decision had been made and was considered final by those with knowledge of the deliberations. Indeed, the deliberations were said to be over."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/sports/basketball/knicks-lin-rockets-offer-sheet.html?_r=2
:coleman:

StateOfMind12
07-17-2012, 04:28 PM
I don't think it's necessarily over yet but if so NY will lose a lot of fans to the Nets because this will disgruntle them.

I really don't care if Lin becomes a Knick or a Rocket but I still don't think it's over yet. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

ihatetimthomas
07-17-2012, 04:28 PM
Lin is just maximizing his self worth. I truly believe he wanted to be a Knick, but who is not going to try to get as much $$ as possible? Esp for a guy like Lin, who may or may not pan out as a good player it the league. His value is at all time high, he may not get another big contract. Knicks will suffer with this lose. I think Lin will be a solid starting pg. And I think Felton wont be the Felton he was in NY bc of no Dantoni.

AlonzoGOAT
07-17-2012, 04:30 PM
it's the knicks why are we acting like this is news cmon now :facepalm

niko
07-17-2012, 04:31 PM
Blaming Lin is not a fair phrase. It's not "blame". He may have legitimately not wanted to be here. You can blame the garden for not wanting to match the offer, or for talking to much, etc. but the gigantic offer came from Lin going back to Houston and asking for more money. The offer was signed by Lin.

We can make a list of things the Knicks did to misplay this, but they very publicly said they wanted Lin back and a day later, he made it ten times harder for them to do so.

He does get some credit, no?

boozehound
07-17-2012, 04:31 PM
I totally agree with you. Houston probably promised him more time on the ball for Linsanity and he ate it up. I don't think he wants to attempt to fit his talents around Melo and Amare.
mchale is a pg driven offense with lots of pick and decisions. It will fit him well. Woodson is an iso coach.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 04:31 PM
Lin is just maximizing his self worth. I truly believe he wanted to be a Knick, but who is not going to try to get as much $$ as possible? Esp for a guy like Lin, who may or may not pan out as a good player it the league. His value is at all time high, he may not get another big contract. Knicks will suffer with this lose. I think Lin will be a solid starting pg. And I think Felton wont be the Felton he was in NY bc of no Dantoni.
Don't forget, Felton played with Amare, Gallo, Wilson Chandler and Fields. Not the current roster that's led by Marshmelo.

fatboy11
07-17-2012, 04:31 PM
Houston Rockets just offered a billion dollar contract.

Ballin'.

Clove21
07-17-2012, 04:31 PM
Lin is just maximizing his self worth. I truly believe he wanted to be a Knick, but who is not going to try to get as much $$ as possible? Esp for a guy like Lin, who may or may not pan out as a good player it the league. His value is at all time high, he may not get another big contract. Knicks will suffer with this lose. I think Lin will be a solid starting pg. And I think Felton wont be the Felton he was in NY bc of no Dantoni.

Doubt he wanted to be a Knick after having Carmelo and JR shit on him in the media when asked about his return.

Punpun
07-17-2012, 04:32 PM
Lin saw how racist hte NBA was about Asians. So he went for the biggest paycheck possible. 30Million guaranteed are a good deal for him.

niko
07-17-2012, 04:32 PM
I don't think it's necessarily over yet but if so NY will lose a lot of fans to the Nets because this will disgruntle them.

I really don't care if Lin becomes a Knick or a Rocket but I still don't think it's over yet. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
i don't see why, the "Lin maniacs" were clearly not that hardcore before, at least a very high portion of them. Those like me, Bagel - we are going to be mega pissed, lose interest maybe for a long time worst case, but Net fans? Where is the connection? Did Lin go there?

I feel bad for a lot of people who let themselves get swept up in this. Sports is fickle, and being a Knick fan ,more pain that happiness. Ten thousand times over.

Heavincent
07-17-2012, 04:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/tjpah.gif


This is so fitting :oldlol:

ihatetimthomas
07-17-2012, 04:32 PM
Don't forget, Felton played with Amare, Gallo, Wilson Chandler and Fields. Not the current roster that's led by Marshmelo.

Yup, its basically a brand new team he needs to get used to. And based off his decline last year, I dont expect much from him. When they struggle in the season and Lin is balling, fans are going to be calling for the Knicks managements heads.

EnoughSaid
07-17-2012, 04:33 PM
Inb4 Lin has a 18/9 type of season, becoming a first time All-Star while Raymond Felton gets benched for being too fat. :facepalm

bagelred
07-17-2012, 04:33 PM
i don't see why, the "Lin maniacs" were clearly not that hardcore before, at least a very high portion of them. Those like me, Bagel - we are going to be mega pissed, lose interest maybe for a long time worst case, but Net fans? Where is the connection? Did Lin go there?

Niko, for our flights to Houston, do you prefer Jet Blue or United Airlines? I'm taking the window seat. :cheers:

ihatetimthomas
07-17-2012, 04:34 PM
Doubt he wanted to be a Knick after having Carmelo and JR shit on him in the media when asked about his return.

I always got the vibe Melo was a bit bothered by Lin's success and the fact that their styles don't really compliment each other didnt help at all.

DuMa
07-17-2012, 04:34 PM
http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/no%20no%20no/grand/will_smith_no_gif.gif

Blue&Orange
07-17-2012, 04:34 PM
[QUOTE=Faptastrophe]"The Knicks are not expected to announce their decision until this evening, [B]and there is still a chance

AlonzoGOAT
07-17-2012, 04:35 PM
I don't think it's necessarily over yet but if so NY will lose a lot of fans to the Nets because this will disgruntle them.

I really don't care if Lin becomes a Knick or a Rocket but I still don't think it's over yet. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

NY will bandwagon a NJ team? :coleman: Shit fans shit franchise

StateOfMind12
07-17-2012, 04:35 PM
i don't see why, the "Lin maniacs" were clearly not that hardcore before, at least a very high portion of them. Those like me, Bagel - we are going to be mega pissed, lose interest maybe for a long time worst case, but Net fans? Where is the connection? Did Lin go there?

I feel bad for a lot of people who let themselves get swept up in this. Sports is fickle, and being a Knick fan ,more pain that happiness. Ten thousand times over.
This could be potentially the last straw for Knicks fans. Knicks fans have been disappointed time and time but I think this time could do the trick. Plus, Brooklyn is closer to NYC than New Jersey is anyways so Knicks fans could just shift on over to Brooklyn instead now.

Either way, Knicks are the dumbest organization in the NBA w/o a doubt if they don't match Lin which is looking like it.

Enjoy Raymond Fatton at PG.


NY will bandwagon a NJ team? :coleman: Shit fans shit franchise
Brooklyn, which is in NY.

asd
07-17-2012, 04:35 PM
i don't see why, the "Lin maniacs" were clearly not that hardcore before, at least a very high portion of them. Those like me, Bagel - we are going to be mega pissed, lose interest maybe for a long time worst case, but Net fans? Where is the connection? Did Lin go there?


There are fans of the New York Knicks in Brooklyn that will be irate.
Fortunately for them, they will have another hometown team to root for.
See the connection?

boozehound
07-17-2012, 04:36 PM
They had to let him go find his market value. They got mad when he went and tried to find it for the second time.
wtf ever. This may be his only major contract. he should try for as much as possible. They should have anticipated that houston (with a wily gm) would probably poison the 3rd year as much as possible.

Snoop_Cat
07-17-2012, 04:36 PM
Why the hell didn't we keep Lin. At worst, he would've been a good bench player for the first two years and a very valuable trade asset, especially in the third year. Meanwhile we have useless Amare making over 20 million a year.....


We're forver cursed.

niko
07-17-2012, 04:36 PM
There are fans of the New York Knicks in Brooklyn that will be irate.
Fortunately for them, they will have another hometown team to root for.
See the connection?
No, but you also claimed racism so im thinking you know noting.

AlonzoGOAT
07-17-2012, 04:36 PM
But I don't get this owner Lin revived (brought bandwagoners) the knicks and instead let him go. Knicks are even getting worse :lol

AlonzoGOAT
07-17-2012, 04:37 PM
This could be potentially the last straw for Knicks fans. Knicks fans have been disappointed time and time but I think this time could do the trick. Plus, Brooklyn is closer to NYC than New Jersey is anyways so Knicks fans could just shift on over to Brooklyn instead now.

Either way, Knicks are the dumbest organization in the NBA w/o a doubt if they don't match Lin which is looking like it.

Enjoy Raymond Fatton at PG.


Brooklyn, which is in NY.


forgot I'm a nikka :facepalm

niko
07-17-2012, 04:37 PM
Niko, for our flights to Houston, do you prefer Jet Blue or United Airlines? I'm taking the window seat. :cheers:
Aisle, i hate flying, looking out the window bothers me.

EnoughSaid
07-17-2012, 04:38 PM
Like LeBatard says: "New York, welcome to another decade of IRRELEVANCE!"

:roll: :lol :roll:

boozehound
07-17-2012, 04:38 PM
This could be potentially the last straw for Knicks fans. Knicks fans have been disappointed time and time but I think this time could do the trick. Plus, Brooklyn is closer to NYC than New Jersey is anyways so Knicks fans could just shift on over to Brooklyn instead now.

Either way, Knicks are the dumbest organization in the NBA w/o a doubt if they don't match Lin which is looking like it.

Enjoy Raymond Fatton at PG.


Brooklyn, which is in NY.
this is dumb. after a decade of shit, they have put together a playoff capable squad with star power these last 1.5 seasons, but somehow the fans are gonna desert them for not matching lin?

Linspired
07-17-2012, 04:38 PM
let's all LOL at those who blame Lin. wouldn't you leave a $100k job in NY to work for a company that want you and will pay you $150k in houston? why wouldn't you?

making 25 million in houston is actually alot more than making 25mil in NY. living expenses, taxes, and etc. and houston has a strong chinese fan base. he will have no problem being a marketing machine if he continues to play well. and you bet Lin has a chance to shine in rockets more so than NY because let's face it. knicks are melo's team. i don't know if Lin can thrive with Melo & amare.

and don't forget Lin is a strong christian. maybe he is kinda tired of NY media.

bagelred
07-17-2012, 04:39 PM
Aisle, i hate flying, looking out the window bothers me.

United AirLINes

PJR
07-17-2012, 04:39 PM
Like LeBatard says: "New York, welcome to another decade of IRRELEVANCE!"

:roll: :lol :roll:

They were irrelevant with or without Lin :oldlol:

bagelred
07-17-2012, 04:40 PM
this is dumb. after a decade of shit, they have put together a playoff capable squad with star power these last 1.5 seasons, but somehow the fans are gonna desert them for not matching lin?

Yep

niko
07-17-2012, 04:40 PM
this is dumb. after a decade of shit, they have put together a playoff capable squad with star power these last 1.5 seasons, but somehow the fans are gonna desert them for not matching lin?
Yes, to cheer for the Nets who have as centerpieces Brook Lopez, Deron Williams, etc. - players who were centerpieces for the enemy for the last few years.

SCREWstonRockets
07-17-2012, 04:42 PM
Major downside here is that I was looking forward to the Rockets maybe changing their logo and jerseys, but I doubt that now that they have another Asian phenom to market.
I don't get it? Is the current logo and uniform designed towards Asia/China?

DuMa
07-17-2012, 04:42 PM
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrpg4x9dj31qb80o3.gif

AlonzoGOAT
07-17-2012, 04:42 PM
Yes, to cheer for the Nets who have as centerpieces Brook Lopez, Deron Williams, etc. - players who were centerpieces for the enemy for the last few years.

Loyalty :bowdown: both teams will get first round exists hopefully

hawkfan
07-17-2012, 04:43 PM
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/17/aldridge-weighs-in-why-knicks-should-keep-jeremy-lin/

I like this article by Aldridge. He's right. If Lin sucks, then trade him in his third year or they can waive him and stretch out his contract.

If he's good, then he is worth the money.

2 years at 5 million per season for a starting point guard is a bargain. It isn't good value; it's excellent value.

If he is a star player, then keep him in his third year. If not, trade or waive him.

boozehound
07-17-2012, 04:43 PM
let's all LOL at those who blame Lin. wouldn't you leave a $100k job in NY to work for a company that want you and will pay you $150k in houston? why wouldn't you?

making 25 million in houston is actually alot more than making 25mil in NY. living expenses, taxes, and etc. and houston has a strong chinese fan base. he will have no problem being a marketing machine if he continues to play well. and you bet Lin has a chance to shine in rockets more so than NY because let's face it. knicks are melo's team. i don't know if Lin can thrive with Melo & amare.

and don't forget Lin is a strong christian. maybe he is kinda tired of NY media.
lin isnt chinese

boozehound
07-17-2012, 04:45 PM
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/17/aldridge-weighs-in-why-knicks-should-keep-jeremy-lin/

I like this article by Aldridge. He's right. If Lin sucks, then trade him in his third year or they can waive him and stretch out his contract.

If he's good, then he is worth the money.

2 years at 5 million per season for a starting point guard is a bargain. It isn't good value; it's excellent value.

If he is a star player, then keep him in his third year. If not, trade or waive him.
well, the issue is he counts as a cap hit of 8 mil each of the seasons for the rockets. so, not really a bargain, but not much of an overpayment either. and that makes the stretch dumb for them the last year, since its only 8 odd million.

DuMa
07-17-2012, 04:45 PM
Ken Berger:

League source confirms @Howard Beck report that Knicks' current plan is not to match Houston offer sheet for Jeremy Lin

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa442/plsdietx/Edward-Norton-Closing-Laptop.gif

All Net
07-17-2012, 04:47 PM
Shame, that 30 million Knicks have to pay in year 3 was too much.

boozehound
07-17-2012, 04:47 PM
I don't get it? Is the current logo and uniform designed towards Asia/China?
the font style is somewhat reminiscent of chinese characters. that, and clutch has slanted eyes.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 04:49 PM
Why the hell didn't we keep Lin. At worst, he would've been a good bench player for the first two years and a very valuable trade asset, especially in the third year. Meanwhile we have useless Amare making over 20 million a year.....


We're forver cursed.
That's the thing that really bothers me about this. They have two seasons to figure out what to do with the 2014-15 contracts.

Amare and Chandler will be 32 years old on the last year of their contracts.
Melo will be 30 and has a player option that last year.
They also have the option to let Lin go after two years.

They have the option to trade or cut Melo, Amare, Chandler and/or Lin before 2014-15 season starts. They can easily have all 4 for the next two seasons.

Let's be honest, money isn't the issue here. It's egos and locker-room politics.

AlonzoGOAT
07-17-2012, 04:49 PM
Pat Riley did the right chose leaving that **** franchise and LOL at the knicks forum they're on suicide watch


http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/3675124_o.gif

hawkfan
07-17-2012, 04:50 PM
well, the issue is he counts as a cap hit of 8 mil each of the seasons for the rockets. so, not really a bargain, but not much of an overpayment either. and that makes the stretch dumb for them the last year, since its only 8 odd million.

From the Rockets point of view, 8 million is ok.

From the Knicks point of view 5 million for two years is excellent value. Again, if he is good, keep him. If not then waive him or trade him in year three.

Now the Knicks don't have anyone who can push the tempo.

hawkfan
07-17-2012, 04:51 PM
That's the thing that really bothers me about this. They have two seasons to figure out what to do with the 2014-15 contracts.

Amare and Chandler will be 32 years old on the last year of their contracts.
Melo will be 30 and has a play option that last year.
They also have the option to let Lin go after two years.

They have the option to trade or cut Melo, Amare, Chandler and/or Lin before 2014-15 season start. They can easily have all 4 for the next two seasons.

Let's be honest, money isn't the issue here. It's egos and locker-room politics.

Totally.
Amare and Melo know that if Lin is there, then in the third year one of them would get traded. Lin will be entering his prime, Amare and Melo will be leaving their primes.

gyu
07-17-2012, 04:51 PM
the font style is somewhat reminiscent of chinese characters. that, and clutch has slanted eyes.
It has slanted eyes?

http://www.braican.com/mascotlovin/mascots/images/clutch.png

Levity
07-17-2012, 04:52 PM
lol @ anyone blaming Lin

:cheers:

fatboy11
07-17-2012, 04:52 PM
I don't get it? Is the current logo and uniform designed towards Asia/China?

Yes.

Come on, man. You know this. Design was put into motion as soon as Yao Ming was drafted and rolled for his 2nd season (IIRC). Look at the lettering and design.

BrickingStar
07-17-2012, 04:53 PM
Pat Riley did the right chose leaving that **** franchise and LOL at the knicks forum they're on suicide watch


http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/3675124_o.gif

lol the teams and scores says it all :roll: :roll:

boozehound
07-17-2012, 04:55 PM
It has slanted eyes?

http://www.braican.com/mascotlovin/mascots/images/clutch.png
clearly

ClutchOver9000
07-17-2012, 04:56 PM
Maybe the Knicks match exactly at 11:59 pm just for the added drama....lol.

It would be fitting...

Scoooter
07-17-2012, 04:57 PM
The Knicks FO is almost as embarrassing as some of the fans rationalizations.

LOL, Dolan.

Kujo
07-17-2012, 04:59 PM
That's the thing that really bothers me about this. They have two seasons to figure out what to do with the 2014-15 contracts.

Amare and Chandler will be 32 years old on the last year of their contracts.
Melo will be 30 and has a player option that last year.
They also have the option to let Lin go after two years.

They have the option to trade or cut Melo, Amare, Chandler and/or Lin before 2014-15 season starts. They can easily have all 4 for the next two seasons.

Let's be honest, money isn't the issue here. It's egos and locker-room politics.

I totally agree. This is confirmed by the recent comments by Melo, and Smith.

niko
07-17-2012, 05:06 PM
I totally agree. This is confirmed by the recent comments by Melo, and Smith.
Tell me the context of what Melo said (the question asked prior). I dare you. I doubt you know.

niko
07-17-2012, 05:07 PM
People, LIN DID NOT WANT TO STAY. He structured a contract to allow him to leave. Is this not even possible?

asd
07-17-2012, 05:09 PM
JR Smith just retweeted the following:

@TheRealJRSmith
RT @SportsCenter: Report: Knicks WILL NOT match Houston's offer sheet for Jeremy Lin. @JLin7 will join Rockets - http://es.pn/Mij2vT

:lol

JustinJDW
07-17-2012, 05:09 PM
Can't believe some people think Lin is worth dropping 30 million for. Get out of the hype fellas. He's a solid baller, but 15 million plus luxury tax? No sir. Not to mention we're talking about a system that made Raymond Felton look like an All-Star.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 05:11 PM
People, LIN DID NOT WANT TO STAY. He structured a contract to allow him to leave. Is this not even possible?
It's hard to sell somebody not wanting to play in New York City. Madison Square Garden of all places. Unless that person set on forming a Big 3 elsewhere.

What would be the reason to leave New York?
Can't believe some people think Lin is worth dropping 30 million for. Get out of the hype fellas. He's a solid baller, but 15 million plus luxury tax? No sir. Not to mention we're talking about a system that made Raymond Felton look like an All-Star.
That system was ousted on March 14th. Felton won't be playing with Amare, Gallo, Wilson Chandler and Fields either.

It's a whole new team from when he was there. It's the Melo-ball system now.

niko
07-17-2012, 05:11 PM
JR Smith just retweeted the following:

@TheRealJRSmith
RT @SportsCenter: Report: Knicks WILL NOT match Houston's offer sheet for Jeremy Lin. @JLin7 will join Rockets - http://es.pn/Mij2vT

:lol
At least he's paying attention. Amare is posting shit about his rappers.

asd
07-17-2012, 05:13 PM
It's hard to sell somebody not wanting to play in New York City. Madison Square Garden of all places. Unless that person set on forming a Big 3 elsewhere.

What would be the reason to leave New York?


locker room politics / jealousy / racism

lin has faced an uphill battle because of his last name alone
for those that can't fathom racism being a part of it (niko)
get a clue

niko
07-17-2012, 05:14 PM
It's hard to sell somebody not wanting to play in New York City. Madison Square Garden of all places. Unless that person set on forming a Big 3 elsewhere.

What would be the reason to leave New York?
What i have heard was that he didn't like the attention (it stressed him deeply) and that he was promised a pipeline to china via Yao Ming and a huge money stream that way (which is actually against NBA rules but whatever...can't prove that).

Maybe he rather be on a crappy team being "Linsane" than a better one he'd be neutered. PLayers like to play.

niko
07-17-2012, 05:15 PM
locker room politics / jealousy / racism

lin has faced an uphill battle because of his last name alone
for those that can't fathom racism being a part of it (niko)
get a clue

The Knicks did not release Lin because they are racist. That's just stupid. You are stupid. Extremely stupid. As someone who is puerto rican, and been thrown up against cars, stopped for driving nice cars, etc. a person like you who sees racism in this strikes me as somewhere between retarded and just stupid.

boozehound
07-17-2012, 05:16 PM
What i have heard was that he didn't like the attention (it stressed him deeply) and that he was promised a pipeline to china via Yao Ming and a huge money stream that way (which is actually against NBA rules but whatever...can't prove that).

Maybe he rather be on a crappy team being "Linsane" than a better one he'd be neutered. PLayers like to play.
its probably more about the coach and team plan than the city. seriously, woodson is an isoball kind of coach. lin is a PnR type of player. he will be a much better fit under McHale (or antoni) than under woodson.

Sarcastic
07-17-2012, 05:16 PM
http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/carmelo-anthony-chris-paul-will-be-a-knick/146146

Linspired
07-17-2012, 05:22 PM
lin isnt chinese

don't be a smart a$$

that's like saying irish aren't blokes

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 05:23 PM
What i have heard was that he didn't like the attention (it stressed him deeply) and that he was promised a pipeline to china via Yao Ming and a huge money stream that way (which is actually against NBA rules but whatever...can't prove that).

Maybe he rather be on a crappy team being "Linsane" than a better one he'd be neutered. PLayers like to play.
It's most likely the latter then. Can you blame a guy wanting to be a bigger part of the team? :confusedshrug:

Money probably played a small part. The kid got a multi-million dollar deal with Volvo(car???) during the weeks of Linsanity. He'll rake in the dough regardless as long as he can put up respectable numbers.

So I think my assumption of egos and locker-room politics are likely to be the reason for this fallout is probably more true than just an assumption. Lin, like any other player, has an ego too. He stated that he didn't like seeing D'Antoni leave. His teammates also have egos, they definitely didn't like the fact that he was getting all the attention and fame. You can go look at all the Melo reactions when he was in a suit during Linsanity. Melo was never that excited or happy.

Oh, and the Rockets can't be done dealing yet. They got something planned.

Celtic_Pride
07-17-2012, 05:23 PM
http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/carmelo-anthony-chris-paul-will-be-a-knick/146146

I know CP3 loves playing in NY but the Knicks neither have cap space to sign him outright or the assets to make a Sign and trade. How do you think it's possible?

ILLsmak
07-17-2012, 05:24 PM
Still not gonna believe it until it's midnight. Not saying it won't happen, but it's not going to be true until it's true.

-Smak

DuMa
07-17-2012, 05:24 PM
Ben Golliver: Owner James Dolan & front office have plans to meet after Knicks' Las Vegas Summer League game, which is currently in 3rd quarter

last glimmer of hope

NoGunzJustSkillz
07-17-2012, 05:25 PM
theyll match

dunksby
07-17-2012, 05:25 PM
don't be a smart a$$

that's like saying irish aren't blokes
They aren't, they are fellas.

Sarcastic
07-17-2012, 05:30 PM
I know CP3 loves playing in NY but the Knicks neither have cap space to sign him outright or the assets to make a Sign and trade. How do you think it's possible?

Melo and CP3 seem to think it's possible. They keep on commenting about it.

alenleomessi
07-17-2012, 05:31 PM
as expected

good for lin

niko
07-17-2012, 05:52 PM
They aren't matching. Sucks. But anyone who claims conspiracy is a moron. Whenever people say its not about the money, that means its about the money.

Zackmorris
07-17-2012, 05:54 PM
Oh man. The fans in this city are going to riot MSG once 12 am hits......






http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1258272_o.gif

wang4three
07-17-2012, 05:55 PM
Quite unfortunate. As if it wasn't difficult enough trying to keep up with the Nets and Knicks last year.

NYK_Stan
07-17-2012, 05:55 PM
What my brain says:
:applause:

What my heart says:
:rant :banghead:

Shepseskaf
07-17-2012, 05:57 PM
Oh man. The fans in this city are going to riot MSG once 12 am hits......
There might be a lunatic fringe who tries to Occupy MSG, but most NYers have already moved on.

The general consensus was that he wasn't worth the money, and went about the contract process in an underhanded way.

bagelred
07-17-2012, 05:58 PM
They aren't matching. Sucks. But anyone who claims conspiracy is a moron. Whenever people say its not about the money, that means its about the money.

It's not about the money. It's ego and control. Lin isn't in that inner circle. Melo/Amare/Woodson/JR/Dolan. They don't want Lin, it's that simple. it's not a basketball decision. It's not a money decision. It's not a PR decision.....

Ego and Control.

Scoooter
07-17-2012, 05:59 PM
I don't think Amar'e's in that circle either.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:00 PM
Their won't be a huge outcry. But the Knicks burned what little leeway they had. If they are a middling team, they will hear it. Early and often.

Btw, as for Lins popularity carrying, outside of curiosity I don't see the NY Knicklins fans following him at all. The ones I know, it's done.

Zackmorris
07-17-2012, 06:00 PM
To be fair, Amare is locked into his circle.

The way I feel about this is, it is disappointing he's not coming back. Would be nice to see if he can maintain from where he left off with Melo and Amare and also see him play with J kidd but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Lin got his money and got where he wants to go. Winning heals everything so if we do good at the start of the season, fans
will ease up. I'm still excited for the upcoming season.

bagelred
07-17-2012, 06:00 PM
I don't think Amar'e's in that circle either.

I sort of understand what you're saying, but Amare and Dolan have become friends.......so........

NuggetsFan
07-17-2012, 06:01 PM
Never realized how old NY was. Lin was their only other younger player besides Shumpert. With this move kinda looking forward to those picks Denver got down the line. Don't seem to have a really large window.

Unless they get CP3. Really hope that doesn't happen.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 06:01 PM
It's not about the money. It's ego and control. Lin isn't in that inner circle. Melo/Amare/Woodson/JR/Dolan. They don't want Lin, it's that simple. it's not a basketball decision. It's not a money decision. It's not a PR decision.....

Ego and Control.
Exactly what I've been saying.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:01 PM
I don't think Amar'e's in that circle either.
Dolan is a circle of one. You can or cannot be in his favor, but he's not losing money to please Melo. people reflexively blame Melo, they need to get over that, it's stupid.

bagelred
07-17-2012, 06:02 PM
Exactly what I've been saying.

You can replace Amare with JR Smith however.

I said "JR"

niko
07-17-2012, 06:02 PM
Never realized how old NY was. Lin was their only other younger player besides Shumpert. With this move kinda looking forward to those picks Denver got down the line. Don't seem to have a really large window.

Unless they get CP3. Really hope that happens.
:cheers: Thanks. I hope Denver is awesome too.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:03 PM
I said "JR"
Ok, JR Smith is in Dolans ear? :lol You can argue Melo. But JR?

longtime lurker
07-17-2012, 06:03 PM
People will forget about Lin once he stinks it up in Houston. Good for him getting his money though.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 06:04 PM
I said "JR"
EDITED :cheers:

Ok, JR Smith is in Dolans ear? :lol You can argue Melo. But JR?
He's part of the Marshmelo Camp.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:05 PM
When do Knicks get Darko and Blatche and make my summer complete?

niko
07-17-2012, 06:06 PM
EDITED :cheers:

He's part of the Marshmelo Camp.
Dolan is not listening to JR Smith. You are all reaching.

CelticBaller
07-17-2012, 06:06 PM
:oldlol:

Clutch
07-17-2012, 06:07 PM
When do Knicks get Darko and Blatche and make my summer complete?
They aren't 35+ years old so you can forget about that,we're not signing them.

NuggetsFan
07-17-2012, 06:08 PM
:cheers: Thanks. I hope Denver is awesome too.

They can tear up the East except in 2014 and 2016 :D

niko
07-17-2012, 06:08 PM
Some of you are just nuts. I think you like the bad news so you can spout your silliness. I hate this but thinking JR Smith could stop in Dolans office for a chat to influence him is a funny visual, but really really stupid.

hawkfan
07-17-2012, 06:09 PM
People are unfair to Lin about what he can and can't do.

He's in his third year in the league. Now his 4th team (two times with Houston) - five different coaches. Got little run his first year, got some run this year but got hurt.

Does he have flaws? Absolutely. He needs to shoot better. He needs to play better defense.

Did Rondo have shooting problems coming into the league? Yes. Did Jeff Teague? Can he improve? Yes.

Defensively, can he improve? Yes.

Again, third year in the league. Finally will have a full training camp to get acclimated to a system as a starter. Will have a lot of young guys to run with.

Houston is a good fit for him, since NY is about isos and not running fast breaks.

If the Knicks get Paul, then this may turn out ok. Otherwise, this could be a huge disaster.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:10 PM
If Knicks change their mind btw I'll do something. Not sure but something. To celebrate not having to give up my hopes and dreams in July.

bagelred
07-17-2012, 06:11 PM
Some of you are just nuts. I think you like the bad news so you can spout your silliness. I hate this but thinking JR Smith could stop in Dolans office for a chat to influence him is a funny visual, but really really stupid.

Obviously, it's not JR. He's just part of that Dolan circle that's forming. You are either in the circle or you are not. Lin was not, not even close. The raise in offer by Rockets essentially gave the Knicks an excuse not to match.

NuggetsFan
07-17-2012, 06:11 PM
If the Knicks get Paul, then this may turn out ok

Can somebody run me through how this would happen? Obviously they can't sign him out right. Clippers wouldn't want Amare. Would he have to force a trade ala Melo\Dwight?

bagelred
07-17-2012, 06:12 PM
If Knicks change their mind btw I'll do something. Not sure but something. To celebrate not having to give up my hopes and dreams in July.

Unfortantely, the Knicks are not that smart, but that would the greatest trolling of all time. 11:59 PM..."oh by the way, we matched Lin's contract." :banana:




Ain't gonna happen though.......:(

niko
07-17-2012, 06:13 PM
Obviously, it's not JR. He's just part of that Dolan circle that's forming. You are either in the circle or you are not. Lin was not, not even close. The raise in offer by Rockets essentially gave the Knicks an excuse not to match.
How bout Novak? Or do we intentionally leave out players we like?

NuggetsFan
07-17-2012, 06:13 PM
Obviously, it's not JR. He's just part of that Dolan circle that's forming. You are either in the circle or you are not. Lin was not, not even close. The raise in offer by Rockets essentially gave the Knicks an excuse not to match.

It's really strange for J.R to be included in a circle, a positive one. Must be nice for him as everywhere he's played, he's kinda been in the doghouse.

bagelred
07-17-2012, 06:14 PM
How bout Novak? Or do we intentionally leave out players we like?
:rolleyes: Jesus, Niko....its like you never you worked in an organization. Some guys are just part of the bosses crowd and some guys aren't.....

Forget I said JR, ok? my god......

ILLsmak
07-17-2012, 06:16 PM
Their won't be a huge outcry. But the Knicks burned what little leeway they had. If they are a middling team, they will hear it. Early and often.

Btw, as for Lins popularity carrying, outside of curiosity I don't see the NY Knicklins fans following him at all. The ones I know, it's done.

unless he blows up even more in Hou...

and you know he will. If you believe in all of that superstar call shit you know Lin is gonna get some love because he's making the NBA a lot of money through China. He's THE Asian in the NBA right now.

-Smak

niko
07-17-2012, 06:18 PM
:rolleyes: Jesus, Niko....its like you never you worked in an organization. Some guys are just part of the bosses crowd and some guys aren't.....

Forget I said JR, ok? my god......
If you say Dolan its ok. But you put every player you rag on in a conspiracy, and left out every player you like. How does that work?

This is mgmt. you give the players too much say. Dolan listens to Dolan and people who agree with him.

Yes, I am in business, and the bosses guys do what he says, not the opposite. You are implying the opposite. That's why they are his guys.

Btw, Felton better be in the gym. he's dead man walking.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 06:19 PM
Some of you are just nuts. I think you like the bad news so you can spout your silliness. I hate this but thinking JR Smith could stop in Dolans office for a chat to influence him is a funny visual, but really really stupid.
Obviously, JR doesn't have the power to influence the front office. He can influence Melo, however, and Melo does have the power to influence the front office.

That's what we're saying when we include him into the "inner circle."

niko
07-17-2012, 06:21 PM
Obviously, JR doesn't have the power to influence the front office. He can influence Melo, and Melo does have the power to influence the front office.

That's what we're saying when he include him into the "inner circle."
JR is a tool who speaks anything that comes to his mouth. I highly doubt he influences anyone to do anything. :lol if you want to claim something, at least be logical, like say he's just repeating what Melo said.

JR influencing others....:facepalm

Scoooter
07-17-2012, 06:23 PM
JR is a tool who speaks anything that comes to his mouth. I highly doubt he influences anyone to do anything. :lol if you want to claim something, at least be logical, like say he's just repeating what Melo said.

JR influencing others....:facepalm
He seems to have Mike Woodson adequately enthralled...

niko
07-17-2012, 06:23 PM
I'm not going to argue with any of you anymore, you are angry and I get it. I've been watching longer than most of you, and I get it. It sucks. Sorry. Be like me, grab a beer and just chill with your peeps.:cheers:

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 06:24 PM
JR is a tool who speaks anything that comes to his mouth. I highly doubt he influences anyone to do anything. :lol if you want to claim something, at least be logical, like say he's just repeating what Melo said.

JR influencing others....:facepalm
Melo would be dumb enough to be influenced by JR. It's like the blind leading the blind. They're both dumb and selfish players. It explains why they're such great teammates with one another.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:24 PM
He seems to have Mike Woodson adequately enthralled...
Mike is a father figure from what I heard, yes.

ILLsmak
07-17-2012, 06:25 PM
I'm not going to argue with any of you anymore, you are angry and I get it. I've been watching longer than most of you, and I get it. It sucks. Sorry. Be like me, grab a beer and just chill with your peeps.:cheers:

yumadbro???

-Smak

TheAesirsFinest
07-17-2012, 06:25 PM
Sucks that Knicks fans have to go through so much drama over this thing. On the bright side, you guys should have things sorted out after today! The Dwightmare doesn't even have an end in sight.

Hope you guys have a good season next year with your players meshing well. Also, thanks for the laughs Bagel. You always manage to crack jokes even after bad things happen lol.

Scoooter
07-17-2012, 06:25 PM
An exceedingly lenient father figure, judging by the shit he lets JR get away with on the court.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:26 PM
Melo would be dumb enough to be influenced by JR. It's like the blind leading the blind. They're both dumb and selfish players. It explains why they're such great teammates with one another.
Melo doesn't like JR and did not want him if you recall but whatever. Lin can come out later and say Dolan raped his girlfriend and that's why he left and you'll say Melo told Dolan to.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:26 PM
yumadbro???

-Smak
Not really. dissappointed. I don't do mad well.

longtime lurker
07-17-2012, 06:28 PM
Why are Knicks fans crying over losing Jeremy Lin so much? You'd think you were letting prime Jordan walk. Jeremy Lin is not going to be the difference between playoffs and the lottery.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 06:29 PM
Melo doesn't like JR and did not want him if you recall but whatever. Lin can come out later and say Dolan raped his girlfriend and that's why he left and you'll say Melo told Dolan to.
OK, you're just going way outside the ballpark.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Melo the reason why JR signed with the Knicks? He was deciding between the Knicks and the Clippers(because of Kenyon Martin), and he picked New York. because of Melo.

niko
07-17-2012, 06:32 PM
OK, you're just going way outside the ballpark.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Melo the reason why JR signed with the Knicks? He was deciding between the Knicks and the Clippers(because of Kenyon Martin), and he picked New York. because of Melo.
At the time it was said Melo did not want him, that they didn't get along. Whatever.

Any chance knicks match or should I just start the drinking now?

hawkfan
07-17-2012, 06:35 PM
Here's what should have happened:

1. Knicks match Jeremy Lin.
2.

Knicks get

Dwight Howard
Hedo Turkoglu

Magic get

Carmelo Anthony
Tyson Chandler

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 06:35 PM
Niko, here is JR's interview after his first game as a Knicks. In his own words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSpIuSObQIM

"Melo really sealed the deal for me. Chris Paul and Melo are the Godfathers of my two daughters."

Yeah, man. Melo sure hates him. :lol

niko
07-17-2012, 06:37 PM
Niko, here is JR's interview after his first game as a Knicks. In his own words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSpIuSObQIM

"Melo really sealed the deal for me. Chris Paul and Melo are the Godfathers of my two daughters."

Yeah, man. Melo sure hates him. :lol
My point was more at the time, people looked for Melo s wrongdoing. He tried to block the signing. Now we don't like JR. Well, it's melos fault. Google Melo hates JR. Lots of stuff.

I don't really care, boo Melo. Blame him. It seems to be what everyone wants.

T-Time3
07-17-2012, 06:38 PM
So,what happened to "we'll match the offer up to one billion"?
I don't understand people saying Lin making it tougher for NY to match him.
Yes it is a ridiculous 3rd year, but hey Lin thought "it don't matter,the FO told me they'll match anyway".
Lin has screwed himself, but Knicks FO is the one that makes the Decision, not him.

Fvck you jim dolan. #JimDolanIsARacist
lol thanks for the hashtag bagelred

niko
07-17-2012, 06:44 PM
I get being mad at Jim Dolan. I get being mad at Melo. But are you all going to tell me that Lin restructing the offer so the Knicks have to outlay $50M in year 3 was not somehow Lin's fault? Are we Lebron stans now that we can't admit that maybe that wasn't a good idea because we like a player?

blacknapalm
07-17-2012, 06:45 PM
[QUOTE]NEW YORK

Dagouch
07-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Here's the thing.

If the Knicks did give him a decent contact offer up front, he STILL would have went to Houston and tried to see if he got a better deal. It doesn't matter what Road we took it still got us to the same place.

RIP Linsanity.

BlackVVaves
07-17-2012, 07:13 PM
It's not about the money. It's ego and control. Lin isn't in that inner circle. Melo/Amare/Woodson/JR/Dolan. They don't want Lin, it's that simple. it's not a basketball decision. It's not a money decision. It's not a PR decision.....

Ego and Control.

Swear this is the answer to this entire Linjustice.

Dolan wants to exercise control. The Knicks could have easily matched, kept him around for the two years he costs them $5 Million/yr, and if his production is subpar, trade him before the third year's salary kicked in.

That's what Houston will undoubtedly do. Lin's contract isn't preventing them from attaining any other free agents; they're in cap hell regardless.

And, they could have really stuck it to Houson by matching the contract, as Lin is the last legitimate point guard on the market anymore. It was get Lin, or start the season with Tony Douglas as their starting point guard.

No, this is about control. It's purely the exact opposite of a basketball decision.

But, alas.

It's the Knicks. :facepalm

fatboy11
07-17-2012, 07:18 PM
That's what Houston will undoubtedly do. Lin's contract isn't preventing them from attaining any other free agents; they're in cap hell regardless.


Do what? Cap hell?

Payroll is sitting at 30 million right now. 7.1 million for next year. Cap is even lower for both years because that's with Scola's amnestied contract factored in.

That's cap heaven, my man. Lin's contract isn't preventing them from attracting free agents because they have a shitload of cap space.

T-Time3
07-17-2012, 07:46 PM
as he can put up respectable numbers.
Oh, and the Rockets can't be done dealing yet. They got something planned.
Yeah,good luck on getting hopes high with darryl morey.

bagelred
07-17-2012, 10:08 PM
James Dolan just announced he couldn't afford to pay Jeremy Lin, because he's got kids to feed.



It's about his CHILDREN, people. The CHILDREN..........

Blue&Orange
07-17-2012, 10:24 PM
James Dolan just announced he couldn't afford to pay Jeremy Lin, because he's got kids to feed.



It's about his CHILDREN, people. The CHILDREN..........
wow did not know he had kids... that's that then, Children >> sports entertainment, without a question


Dolan :applause:

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 10:27 PM
James Dolan just announced he couldn't afford to pay Jeremy Lin, because he's got kids to feed.



It's about his CHILDREN, people. The CHILDREN..........
Are you serious or is it one of your attempt at a joke?

SCREWstonRockets
07-17-2012, 10:30 PM
I don't want to get too excited. Knicks could pull off the ultimate troll and match at the last minute. That would be really sticking it to Houston.

ClutchOver9000
07-17-2012, 10:31 PM
James Dolan just announced he couldn't afford to pay Jeremy Lin, because he's got kids to feed.



It's about his CHILDREN, people. The CHILDREN..........

Cant tell if bagel joke or legit comment...lol.

I'm gonna assume Dolan did say that....

GOAT owner :bowdown: bowdown to the business genius that is James Dolan...appreciate greatness when you see it people!

Atmo
07-17-2012, 10:32 PM
Lol, it's a reference to Sprewell guys. Anyway I'm still holding out hope that we'll match by the end of the night.

bagelred
07-17-2012, 10:32 PM
It's offficial


Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone

The Knicks just confirmed they are not matching Houston's offer sheet to Jeremy Lin.

BlackVVaves
07-17-2012, 10:33 PM
Do what? Cap hell?

Payroll is sitting at 30 million right now. 7.1 million for next year. Cap is even lower for both years because that's with Scola's amnestied contract factored in.

That's cap heaven, my man. Lin's contract isn't preventing them from attracting free agents because they have a shitload of cap space.

How can you "do cap hell"?

Try re-reading my post, and you'll see by "do" I was referring to how Houston will likely handle Lin's contract if he vastly underperforms.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 10:35 PM
Cant tell if bagel joke or legit comment...lol.

I'm gonna assume Dolan did say that....

GOAT owner :bowdown: bowdown to the business genius that is James Dolan...appreciate greatness when you see it people!
I remember Latrell Sprewell saying something like that to Minnesota.

Guess what happened? Sprewell never played another game. Minnesota hasn't made the playoff since. Garnett went on to win a championship in Boston.

Same thing will happen again. New York will be the same old crap. Lin will go on and win a championship in Houston.

bmd
07-17-2012, 10:41 PM
As a Rockets fan, I loved the whole Linsanity thing when it was going on. I couldn't believe he used to be on the Rockets and they let him go. Glad to see they have a good shot at getting him back. :rockon:

ClutchOver9000
07-17-2012, 10:42 PM
I remember Latrell Sprewell saying something like that to Minnesota.

Guess what happened? Sprewell never played another game. Minnesota hasn't made the playoff since. Garnett went on to win a championship in Boston.

Same thing will happen again. New York will be the same old crap. Lin will go on and win a championship in Houston.

:yaohappy:

Bandito
07-17-2012, 10:43 PM
I remember Latrell Sprewell saying something like that to Minnesota.

Guess what happened? Sprewell never played another game. Minnesota hasn't made the playoff since. Garnett went on to win a championship in Boston.

Same thing will happen again. New York will be the same old crap. Lin will go on and win a championship in Houston.
Sprewell said that for the 99 lockout season.

AK47DR91
07-17-2012, 10:47 PM
Sprewell said that for the 99 lockout season.
Are you sure? I could have sworn Spree said that in Minnesota and not in New York.

EDIT: It was in Minnesota: http://espn.go.com/dickvitale/vcolumn041108-Sprewell.html

spiegel
07-17-2012, 11:30 PM
As a Rockets fan, I loved the whole Linsanity thing when it was going on. I couldn't believe he used to be on the Rockets and they let him go. Glad to see they have a good shot at getting him back. :rockon:
LOL nice try RG

Droid101
07-17-2012, 11:32 PM
As a Rockets fan, I loved the whole Linsanity thing when it was going on. I couldn't believe he used to be on the Rockets and they let him go. Glad to see they have a good shot at getting him back. :rockon:
Great first post! :applause:

boozehound
07-17-2012, 11:34 PM
Great first post! :applause:
especially since it takes jefe months to approve new accounts. how long you been sitting on this one?

SCREWstonRockets
07-17-2012, 11:40 PM
I get being mad at Jim Dolan. I get being mad at Melo. But are you all going to tell me that Lin restructing the offer so the Knicks have to outlay $50M in year 3 was not somehow Lin's fault? Are we Lebron stans now that we can't admit that maybe that wasn't a good idea because we like a player?
Mad at him for what? Getting a better offer? How is that a "fault"? Everyone talks about how the NBA is a business. Well, Lin was just looking out for his. I mean, the Knicks did say they would match up to a billion dollars. Well, he went to get his "billion dollars" and NY didn't match.

In fact, if NYK didn't flex their muscles and tell the world they would "match up to a billion dollars" I don't think the Rockets change their original offer. And again, this could have been avoided if they offers him a contract outright.

ripthekik
07-18-2012, 01:52 AM
There's really no reason to blame Lin. If you're in a position to bargain for more money, you do it. Especially if it's your first big contract. Plus Knicks said they'd match.. who's the one backing out now?

Even if Lin preferred Rockets more, I wouldn't blame him. When you have blackhole Melo shotjacking in your team all the time.. how's he going to develop? If I had to play with Melo and Amare.. I'd rather leave NY too. More money? even better!

I also think Melo really doesn't like this kid. From the time he was injured, the Knicks were running really well. This guy didn't show any excitement, instead he was bitter. Congratulations on having this guy on your team, I'm gonna tell you guys: NOTHING will be achieved with MELO in your team. Superstars will not mesh with him, and you won't go far in the playoffs.. even in the East.

scm5
07-18-2012, 02:16 AM
I don't see how any of this is Lin's fault.

If any other player did the same thing, we wouldn't be talking about this.

JR wouldn't have said anything, Melo wouldn't have said anything.

I LUV KOBE
07-18-2012, 02:25 AM
NY over hyped Lin

Lin back stabbed NY

NY sucks

:lol :lol :lol

wang4three
07-18-2012, 02:30 AM
Best part is that when Lin goes back to NY for a game, there most likely will be more cheers than boos in the crowd. He's like the only player in NBA history that can go sign for more money elsewhere and that happen.