why the hell did hill go to clippers over lakers?

[therammingman]

????

better organization
more ready to win NOW
his best friend is on the team

???

[R.I.P.]

Had enough of Nash stat-whoring it up for another big contract? He was passing up easy shots to make tough passes just to squeeze out more assists. Lowest PPG in ten years, 2nd worst AST/TO ratio in ten years, 2nd highest TOPG in his career. Will be really interetsing to see what happens on the Lakers.

[ZenMaster]

Maybe the Lakers didn't show as much interest because they're not so interested in another small foward who shoots 25% from 3.

[AMISTILLILL]

Boo-hoo.

[The Choken One]

Maybe the Lakers didn't show as much interest because they're not so interested in another small foward who shoots 25% from 3.
This.

Is Barnes coming back? I haven't seen a sing post about him...

[KeyNote]

Lakers wanted hill, but they want to bring in players just for the vet minimum...read a report where mitch was saying he doesn't want to use the mini MLE

so all of the moves and players that will be brought in will either be for the vet minimum, trade, or S&T

looks like hill didn't wanna just take the minimum

[KyrieTheFuture]

Because he wanted to.

[Raz]

The Clippers will still be the poo-poo platter of the West as long as the combined IQ of the starting center and power forward is under 100.

[AMISTILLILL]

The Clippers will still be the poo-poo platter of the West as long as the combined IQ of the starting center and power forward is under 100.
Stunning insight.

[alenleomessi]

The Clippers will still be the poo-poo platter of the West as long as the combined IQ of the starting center and power forward is under 100.
Not sure why u people think Blake is a low IQ player? Because he cant shoot freethrows and doesnt play enough D?

[Raz]

Stunning insight.

Show me their post game? Clippers will be trumped by teams that can give Griffin and DeDumby Jordan problems.

The one thing I like about how they have constructed their team is that they have a slew of good passers, it should be oop city until Griffin blows out his knee.

CT: Jordan/
PF: Griffin/ Odom (5.9)
SF: Butler (4.9)/ Hill (7.3)
SG: Billups (8.6)/ Crawford (5.1)
PG: Paul (11.6)/ Bledsoe (5.7*)

In brackets are all players' career high assist numbers for a season.
*Averaged over 36 minutes

[SyRyanYang]

Not sure why u people think Blake is a low IQ player? Because he cant shoot freethrows and doesnt play enough D?
Exactly.

[flipogb]

loves money or hates Kobe, pick one

[Raz]

Not sure why u people think Blake is a low IQ player? Because he cant shoot freethrows and doesnt play enough D?

Yes, thank you.

[RIP CITY]

Unfortunately Grant isn't the best decision maker when it comes to Free Agency, not the first time he's chosen to play with a lesser team for no apparent reason other than location (Chose PHX over San Antonio and other contenders twice already). If you look at where he's played or been rumored to be interested in playing over the years, it's always one of the big Cities or somewhere warm (LA, MIA, NY, ORL, PHX). I think his wife plays a big role in his FA decisions, she didn't want him to re-sign with Detroit back in 2000 and she probably was part of the reason he didn't sign with San Antonio, because she didn't like those cities as much as the places above.

As for choosing one LA team over the other, and clearly choosing wrong here, I don't know, your guess is as good as mine. He had one last chance to win a ring and he chose the Clippers over LAL and OKC, possibly MIA as well, makes no sense. Definitely disappointing for me, he's my favorite player and I really wanted to see him get a legitimate chance at winning a ring, no player deserves it more after all he's been through with his ankle and coming back to be a significant contributor. Signing with the Clippers pretty much guarantees he'll retire without winning a Championship in the NBA. But, it's his decision and hopefully it turns out well for him.

[Clippersfan86]

Unfortunately Grant isn't the best decision maker when it comes to Free Agency, not the first time he's chosen to play with a lesser team for no apparent reason other than location (Chose PHX over San Antonio and other contenders twice already). If you look at where he's played or been rumored to be interested in playing over the years, it's always one of the big Cities or somewhere warm (LA, MIA, NY, ORL, PHX). I think his wife plays a big role in his FA decisions, she didn't want him to re-sign with Detroit back in 2000 and she probably was part of the reason he didn't sign with San Antonio, because she didn't like those cities as much as the places above.

As for choosing one LA team over the other, and clearly choosing wrong here, I don't know, your guess is as good as mine. He had one last chance to win a ring and he chose the Clippers over LAL and OKC, possibly MIA as well, makes no sense. Definitely disappointing for me, he's my favorite player and I really wanted to see him get a legitimate chance at winning a ring, no player deserves it more after all he's been through with his ankle and coming back to be a significant contributor. Signing with the Clippers pretty much guarantees he'll retire without winning a Championship in the NBA. But, it's his decision and hopefully it turns out well for him.

Do you really believe this? :oldlol: .

[swi7ch]

Maybe the Lakers didn't want a 60-year old player. The real question is why didn't Hill choose the Celtics! BOS is known for collecting fossils.

[b0bab0i]

Unfortunately Grant isn't the best decision maker when it comes to Free Agency, not the first time he's chosen to play with a lesser team for no apparent reason other than location (Chose PHX over San Antonio and other contenders twice already). If you look at where he's played or been rumored to be interested in playing over the years, it's always one of the big Cities or somewhere warm (LA, MIA, NY, ORL, PHX). I think his wife plays a big role in his FA decisions, she didn't want him to re-sign with Detroit back in 2000 and she probably was part of the reason he didn't sign with San Antonio, because she didn't like those cities as much as the places above.

As for choosing one LA team over the other, and clearly choosing wrong here, I don't know, your guess is as good as mine. He had one last chance to win a ring and he chose the Clippers over LAL and OKC, possibly MIA as well, makes no sense. Definitely disappointing for me, he's my favorite player and I really wanted to see him get a legitimate chance at winning a ring, no player deserves it more after all he's been through with his ankle and coming back to be a significant contributor. Signing with the Clippers pretty much guarantees he'll retire without winning a Championship in the NBA. But, it's his decision and hopefully it turns out well for him.
Clippers could offer more money and lakers were looking at other small forwards.

[RIP CITY]

Do you really believe this? :oldlol: .

Yes, most of it is facts, some of it is my opinion but yes, I really believe this. Do you really believe the Suns had a better chance at winning a Championship than the Spurs, which he turned down twice to play with PHX. Do you really believe the Clippers have a better chance of winning a Championship than the Lakers, Thunder or Heat, all teams that were interested in him at some point this offseason. It's a fact that his wife did not want him to re-sign in Detroit in 2000. Do you really believe choosing to go to teams with less of a chance at winning the Championship is the best decision for a guy in the twilight of his career who hasn't won a Championship yet?

[Clippersfan86]

Yes, most of it is facts, some of it is my opinion but yes, I really believe this. Do you really believe the Suns had a better chance at winning a Championship than the Spurs, which he turned down twice to play with PHX. Do you really believe the Clippers have a better chance of winning a Championship than the Lakers, Thunder or Heat, all teams that were interested in him at some point this offseason. It's a fact that his wife did not want him to re-sign in Detroit in 2000. Do you really believe choosing to go to teams with less of a chance at winning the Championship is the best decision for a guy in the twilight of his career who hasn't won a Championship yet?

The history portion I don't disagree with at all. It's mostly a fact as you said. What I disagree with is you acting like the Clippers aren't building a legit contender and that they have zero shot at winning the title in the next few years. Not to mention that teams like the Lakers have a significantly better chance. I personally feel the Lakers and Clippers are on the same exact tier last year and going forward right now but due to age of roster and potential of young pieces should have more sustainability than Lakers.

[G-train]

Never thought I'd see Grant Hill on the Clippers.
Everything else aside, its just weird.

[Clippersfan86]

Never thought I'd see Grant Hill on the Clippers.
Everything else aside, its just weird.

You don't realize how much Blake changed the course of the franchise obviously.

[RIP CITY]

The history portion I don't disagree with at all. It's mostly a fact as you said. What I disagree with is you acting like the Clippers aren't building a legit contender and that they have zero shot at winning the title in the next few years. Not to mention that teams like the Lakers have a significantly better chance. I personally feel the Lakers and Clippers are on the same exact tier last year and going forward right now but due to age of roster and potential of young pieces should have more sustainability than Lakers.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. I feel like you are being a bit of a homer then. The Clippers, barring a very significant addition to the roster, are not going to win a Championship in the next two years. I highly doubt Grant plays longer than that, that's the contract he signed with the Clippers. They aren't beating the Thunder, Lakers or Spurs in the next two season's and they definitely aren't beating the Heat either if they somehow pulled off winning the West. It's just not realistic IMO.

[Clippersfan86]

Well, I don't know what to tell you. I feel like you are being a bit of a homer then. The Clippers, barring a very significant addition to the roster, are not going to win a Championship in the next two years. I highly doubt Grant plays longer than that. They aren't beating the Thunder, Lakers or Spurs in the next two season's and they definitely aren't beating the Heat either if they somehow pulled off winning the West. It's just not realistic IMO.

What significant editions do you need when you're as deep as the Clippers are and have two clear cut, go to superstar players? Clippers got significantly better and I don't think people are acknowledging this. If it was any other team they would be getting endless praise but Clippers have quietly turned in a superb offseason and they aren't done.

Clippers have done just fine matching up with the Lakers and Thunder last few seasons. Last year Clippers lost season series to Lakers 2-1 but won the only game in which they had Billups. Clippers beat Thunder 3-1 last season and for the last 3 years have done a great job of checking the Thunder in general.

I don't think you realize how close the Clippers were talent wise even last year to these teams. You have every right to say you feel the Clippers are worse but just don't pass it as law because statistics and standings say otherwise in some of these instances. Lakers and Clippers finished a game apart and that was with the Clippers having 10 new players and their starting SG out all year.

[G-train]

You don't realize how much Blake changed the course of the franchise obviously.

Have a spell dude. It's a thought from a long time NBA fan that watched Hill since college, not an attack on your soul.

[Clippersfan86]

Have a spell dude. It's a thought from a long time NBA fan that watched Hill since college, not an attack on your soul.

I didn't mean it as an attack. Just saying it's amazing how much dude has changed the fortunes of the franchise. So for people to bitch about his max deal etc it's ridiculous.

[PejaNowitzki]

Unfortunately Grant isn't the best decision maker when it comes to Free Agency, not the first time he's chosen to play with a lesser team for no apparent reason other than location (Chose PHX over San Antonio and other contenders twice already). If you look at where he's played or been rumored to be interested in playing over the years, it's always one of the big Cities or somewhere warm (LA, MIA, NY, ORL, PHX). I think his wife plays a big role in his FA decisions, she didn't want him to re-sign with Detroit back in 2000 and she probably was part of the reason he didn't sign with San Antonio, because she didn't like those cities as much as the places above.

As for choosing one LA team over the other, and clearly choosing wrong here, I don't know, your guess is as good as mine. He had one last chance to win a ring and he chose the Clippers over LAL and OKC, possibly MIA as well, makes no sense. Definitely disappointing for me, he's my favorite player and I really wanted to see him get a legitimate chance at winning a ring, no player deserves it more after all he's been through with his ankle and coming back to be a significant contributor. Signing with the Clippers pretty much guarantees he'll retire without winning a Championship in the NBA. But, it's his decision and hopefully it turns out well for him.




Yeah too bad he didn't sign with the Spurs.....he missed out on all those highlights....like getting swept by the Suns. Fact is when he signed with the Suns they already were a contender and would get a lot closer to a title than the Spurs did during his years in Phoenix.

[KeyNote]

Yeah too bad he didn't sign with the Spurs.....he missed out on all those highlights....like getting swept by the Suns. Fact is when he signed with the Suns they already were a contender and would get a lot closer to a title than the Spurs did during his years in Phoenix.

:oldlol:

i was about to point this out

[PejaNowitzki]

:oldlol:

i was about to point this out



The guy's such a moron and so *****-whipped that he allowed his wife to drag him to Phoenix where he got healthy for the first time in years saying he felt better than he had in a long time and crediting the Suns training staff for the turnaround, talk about an idiot, he should have listened to some random on InsideHoops.com for career advice.

[RIP CITY]

What significant editions do you need when you're as deep as the Clippers are and have two clear cut, go to superstar players? Clippers got significantly better and I don't think people are acknowledging this. If it was any other team they would be getting endless praise but Clippers have quietly turned in a superb offseason and they aren't done.

Clippers have done just fine matching up with the Lakers and Thunder last few seasons. Last year Clippers lost season series to Lakers 2-1 but won the only game in which they had Billups. Clippers beat Thunder 3-1 last season and for the last 3 years have done a great job of checking the Thunder in general.

I don't think you realize how close the Clippers were talent wise even last year to these teams. You have every right to say you feel the Clippers are worse but just don't pass it as law because statistics and standings say otherwise in some of these instances. Lakers and Clippers finished a game apart and that was with the Clippers having 10 new players and their starting SG out all year.

I never said the Clippers weren't a good team or that they didn't have a talented roster. I just don't think they are a Championship team, there is a big difference and I don't think they are there yet. I just don't think they are as close as you think they are. To be perfectly honest with you, I don't see anyone outside of Miami or OKC winning the Championship next season. Miami is the prohibitive favorite in my mind, I'd be slightly surprised if they didn't win it again next year.

[RIP CITY]

The guy's such a moron and so *****-whipped that he allowed his wife to drag him to Phoenix where he got healthy for the first time in years saying he felt better than he had in a long time and crediting the Suns training staff for the turnaround, talk about an idiot, he should have listened to some random on InsideHoops.com for career advice.

LOL, the Suns beat the Spurs once. One time. The Spurs were and still are the better team with a better chance at winning the Championship in all of those season's minus the one year they finally nutted up and beat the Spurs, after years of the Spurs whiping their ass with them. That Suns team was never, ever going to win a Championship playing that style of defense.

The Suns training staff part, I tend to agree with (though I'm not sure that was part of the reason he chose the Suns the first time and the second time he re-signed it was unquestionable that the Spurs were the better team) but if you really claim that he had a better chance of winning a Championship with the Suns than the Spurs then I am definitely not the idiot here.

[PejaNowitzki]

LOL, the Suns beat the Spurs once. One time. The Spurs were and still are the better team with a better chance at winning the Championship in all of those season's minus the one year they finally nutted up and beat the Spurs, after years of the Spurs whiping their ass with them. That Suns team was never, ever going to win a Championship playing that style of defense.

The Suns training staff part, I tend to agree with (though I'm not sure that was part of the reason he chose the Suns the first time) but if you really claim that he had a better chance of winning a Championship with the Suns than the Spurs then I am definitely not the idiot here.


I'm not claiming anything that isn't a matter of fact, during his tenure with the Suns, they came closer to winning a title than the Spurs did. Neither team won a title during that time and the Suns knocked off the Spurs when they met in the playoffs so really its a moot point.


You're acting as if he turned down the 72 win Bulls to go play for the Washington Wizards or some shit, both were winning franchises, for whatever reason Phoenix worked out better for him.

[RIP CITY]

I'm not claiming anything that isn't a matter of fact, during his tenure with the Suns, they came closer to winning a title than the Spurs did. Neither team won a title during that time and the Suns knocked off the Spurs when they met in the playoffs so really its a moot point.


You're acting as if he turned down the 72 win Bulls to go play for the Washington Wizards or some shit, both were winning franchises, for whatever reason Phoenix worked out better for him.

The Spurs were defending NBA Champions the season Grant Hill first signed with the Suns, the Spurs have been to the Conference Finals twice since Hill joined the Suns, the Suns have been once and the Suns have missed the Playoffs 3 times during that span, while the Spurs have had the better regular season record every year with the exception of 09-10 and never missed the Playoffs. Not to mention the Spurs had owned the Suns to that point. Sorry, it's just incorrect to say the Suns came closer to winning the Championship or had as much of a chance at winning the Championship than the Spurs did.

[RazorBaLade]

it didnt seem like the lakers were super interested and he was wined and dined by clips so i think he chose em..

idk tho, strange for sure. much better chance at a chip with lakers

[Clippersfan86]

it didnt seem like the lakers were super interested and he was wined and dined by clips so i think he chose em..

idk tho, strange for sure. much better chance at a chip with lakers

Explain?

[RazorBaLade]

Explain?

the lakers are the better team and have much more experience and chance to win a ring. Maybe in 2 more years of losing and a new coach the clippers have a solid chance to get to the finals... but I don't see it happening until then. Clips may be deeper but nash kobe pau bynum simply cannot be ignored. Just too good for the clips.

[Clippersfan86]

the lakers are the better team and have much more experience and chance to win a ring. Maybe in 2 more years of losing and a new coach the clippers have a solid chance to get to the finals... but I don't see it happening until then. Clips may be deeper but nash kobe pau bynum simply cannot be ignored. Just too good for the clips.

Clippers are better at PG, SF and PF AND have a significantly deeper bench. Why are the Lakers "clearly better" than a team they finished 1 game better than last year?

[G-train]

Clippers are better at PG, SF and PF AND have a significantly deeper bench. Why are the Lakers "clearly better" than a team they finished 1 game better than last year?

Nash.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

probably because the Lakers would rather have Ebanks as their backup SF.
and apparently they still wanted to keep MWP.
Thus, Hill would have been 3rd string SF.

[Clippersfan86]

Nash.

Let me post the rotations and you can re-think that.

Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

Bench Rotation Players: Steve Blake, Andrew Goudelock, Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts


VS


Chris Paul
Chauncey Billups
Caron Butler
Blake Griffin
DeAndre Jordan

Bench Rotation: Eric Bledsoe, Jamal Crawford, Grant Hill, Lamar Odom.

Only gap I see is the Lakers have more experience as a unit and better coaching.

[G-train]

probably because the Lakers would rather have Ebanks as their backup SF.
and apparently they still wanted to keep MWP.
Thus, Hill would have been 3rd string SF.

Does Ebanks have much potential? Doesn't seem to have much of a feel for the game when I have seen him.

[Story Up]

Do you really believe this? :oldlol: .
Everyone does wtf you clipper homer. Your team has no shot at the title, wake the **** up.

[Story Up]

And a shit load more talent lmfao hahahaha

Gasol/Bynum >>> Griffin and Jordan
Nash/Bryant >>> Paul and Billups

Hahahahahahaha, omg, hahahahahaha.



Let me post the rotations and you can re-think that.

Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

Bench Rotation Players: Steve Blake, Andrew Goudelock, Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts


VS


Chris Paul
Chauncey Billups
Caron Butler
Blake Griffin
DeAndre Jordan

Bench Rotation: Eric Bledsoe, Jamal Crawford, Grant Hill, Lamar Odom.

Only gap I see is the Lakers have more experience as a unit and better coaching.

[RazorBaLade]

Clippers are better at PG, SF and PF AND have a significantly deeper bench. Why are the Lakers "clearly better" than a team they finished 1 game better than last year?

OKC was better at 2 spots with a significantly deeper bench as well. Maybe even 3 spots if we look at it the way we did going into the series instead of hindsight and a MUCH MUCH better bench.

Regular season man......... Cmon. Clippers had a lot more to play for than the lakers did. both had injuries and adjustments to make tho. SAS had a better record than OKC right? HURR if okc is better why'd they have a worse record?

When those starting 5's take the floor for 35-40 minutes, the lakers are putting out 4 of the best 6 players. Bench isn't making up for that much.

[G-train]

Let me post the rotations and you can re-think that.

Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum

Bench Rotation Players: Steve Blake, Andrew Goudelock, Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts


VS


Chris Paul
Chauncey Billups
Caron Butler
Blake Griffin
DeAndre Jordan

Bench Rotation: Eric Bledsoe, Jamal Crawford, Grant Hill, Lamar Odom.

Only gap I see is the Lakers have more experience as a unit and better coaching.

Basketball is very complex, and cannot be represented by names on a page. The unseen matters as much as the names. I think you are forgetting Jamison too.

I don't doubt the Clippers may improve. They also may get some individual decline as some of their guys are very old.

The Lakers will have a training camp with Brown, and while already being a better team, have added Nash who will only improve them not only with his own scoring, but with his leadership and play making.

I would say Nash gives them the overall edge. He is a special offensive player.

[Clippersfan86]

OKC was better at 2 spots with a significantly deeper bench as well. Maybe even 3 spots if we look at it the way we did going into the series instead of hindsight and a MUCH MUCH better bench.

Regular season man......... Cmon. Clippers had a lot more to play for than the lakers did. both had injuries and adjustments to make tho. SAS had a better record than OKC right? HURR if okc is better why'd they have a worse record?

When those starting 5's take the floor for 35-40 minutes, the lakers are putting out 4 of the best 6 players. Bench isn't making up for that much.

I'm not saying it's unreasonable to say the Lakers are better or more proven. I just don't get the "easily" or "clearly" stuff when the teams finished one game apart and both got better this offseason. You said Lakers coast but Clippers also lost their 3rd best player for most of the season so it balances out. I have no doubt that if Billups played all 66 Clippers would have won the Pacific by a couple games.

[Clippersfan86]

Basketball is very complex, and cannot be represented by names on a page. The unseen matters as much as the names. I think you are forgetting Jamison too.

I don't doubt the Clippers may improve. They also may get some individual decline as some of their guys are very old.

The Lakers will have a training camp with Brown, and while already being a better team, have added Nash who will only improve them not only with his own scoring, but with his leadership and play making.

I would say Nash gives them the overall edge. He is a special offensive player.

We'll see next year. It's going to be a dogfight for the Pacific between these two teams and anybody who doesn't think so is in for a surprise.

[Story Up]

I'm not saying it's unreasonable to say the Lakers are better or more proven. I just don't get the "easily" or "clearly" stuff when the teams finished one game apart and both got better this offseason. You said Lakers coast but Clippers also lost their 3rd best player for most of the season so it balances out. I have no doubt that if Billups played all 66 Clippers would have won the Pacific by a couple games.
LOL this guy is a dumbass.
He thinks his shitty front court has a chance at a title. Bynum and Pau with Nash will ass **** you silly. Paul won't save you in a seven game series against Lakers. Nash is a huge addition because he is exactly what LA lacked last year. He will make everyone better plus we got Jamison too, I think.

But whatever homer, we'll see next year.
You don't compare trans by position because:

1) Bynum will rape Jordan
2) Kobe will abuse your small back court
3) Nash will make Pau much better with PnR, which can easily mean he'd outplay Geiffin too.

10' Pau is better then any version of Griffin. Nash will ressurect his career and make out pathetic bench somewhat respectful. Plus Jamison will be a spark plug off the bench.

But we shall see...keep running your ignorant mouth, no one truly believes your team had a legit shot at a title except your ass.

[Clippersfan86]

LOL this guy is a dumbass.
He thinks his shitty front court has a chance at a title. Bynum and Pau with Nash will ass **** you silly. Paul won't save you in a seven game series against Lakers. Nash is a huge addition because he is exactly what LA lacked last year. He will make everyone better plus we got Jamison too, I think.

But whatever homer, we'll see next year.
You don't compare trans by position because:

1) Bynum will rape Jordan
2) Kobe will abuse your small back court
3) Nash will make Pau much better with PnR, which can easily mean he'd outplay Geiffin too.

10' Pau is better then any version of Griffin. Nash will ressurect his career and make out pathetic bench somewhat respectful. Plus Jamison will be a spark plug off the bench.

But we shall see...keep running your ignorant mouth, no one truly believes your team had a legit shot at a title except your ass.

Yet you fail to acknowledge the Clippers acquisitions or the likely improvement of the Clippers young pieces and Griffin's+CP3's chemistry after a year together. You're in for a rude awakening this year I think.

[swag2011]

LOL as a Laker fan, i can say that the Clippers have gotten a bit better. But depth is too hyped up. Spurs were considered deeper than OKC, look what happened. OKC was considered to be deeper than Miami, look what happened.

Bynum and Gasol are going to eat Deandre and Blake up, once again. Who's stopping them? Who's stopping Kobe? Better hope he has one of those bad shooting nights. Paul is a bit better than Nash, but alot of that is due to age. I expect Nash to still be able to get his usual 10+ assists with ease.

Caron Butler may be better than MWP offensively, but defensively i'll take Metta all day.

Lakers will win the pacific division for the millionth time.

[RazorBaLade]

I'm not saying it's unreasonable to say the Lakers are better or more proven. I just don't get the "easily" or "clearly" stuff when the teams finished one game apart and both got better this offseason. You said Lakers coast but Clippers also lost their 3rd best player for most of the season so it balances out. I have no doubt that if Billups played all 66 Clippers would have won the Pacific by a couple games.

Well its whatever, I am. I think its clear. I don't think the regular season shows that much (see: San / OKC records).

The fact that billups is your 3rd best player is exactly my point. I have no doubt that healthy billups would not have won you more games than healthy metta would win us more games. He only got healthy towards the end. And you added bench players while we added star player and maybe will also add bench players.

[Clippersfan86]

Well its whatever, I am. I think its clear. I don't think the regular season shows that much (see: San / OKC records).

The fact that billups is your 3rd best player is exactly my point. I have no doubt that healthy billups would not have won you more games than healthy metta would win us more games. He only got healthy towards the end. And you added bench players while we added star player and maybe will also add bench players.

Billups was putting up like 15, 3 and 4+ or something like that on good efficiency when he went down. Not bad if a player like that is your third best player. Lakers are more top heavy and have a true "big 3" where as the Clippers are more in the Spurs mold (roster wise) right now where they have lots of depth.

[Clippersfan86]

Remember if a starter on the Lakers goes down that can really screw them bad (unless it's Artest). That's the biggest problem with top heavy teams... so you can't compare the Lakers to OKC who have a bunch of iron men. Durant and Westbrook haven't ever missed games from injury if I recall. Last year Clippers definitely took a hit but still finished strong because of the guard depth they had when Billups went down.

[BlueandGold]

Not sure why u people think Blake is a low IQ player? Because he cant shoot freethrows and doesnt play enough D?
Yep, also totally looks lost offensively at times (as far as playing within the system, may be totally head coach's fault) and has no concept whatsoever of the term "team defense"

[Clippersfan86]

Yep, also totally looks lost offensively at times (as far as playing within the system, may be totally head coach's fault) and has no concept whatsoever of the term "team defense"

Greg Popovich compared his IQ to young Tim Duncan...

[nashwade]

Greg Popovich compared his IQ to young Tim Duncan...

9-year old duncan?

[Clippersfan86]

9-year old duncan?

Not saying he's right... but Griffin has a very good IQ for a young player and will keep learning.

[Story Up]

Yet you fail to acknowledge the Clippers acquisitions or the likely improvement of the Clippers young pieces and Griffin's+CP3's chemistry after a year together. You're in for a rude awakening this year I think.
You still fail to acknowledge the huge mismatches.

Our front court vs yours
Billups vs Kobe

You keep acting like depth wins titles: superstars, experience and defense usually win titles unless you're Detroit but your team doesn't have their D.

Your team has a horrible front court defensively, no true SG and a very undersized back court. LA has ****ing Nash, Bryant, Gadol and Drew. Do you even know who those four are? Quit ****ing comparing your stars to ours, IRS an insult.

Paul
Bryant
Bynum
Griffin
Nash
Gasol

We have 4 of the six best players, **** I think Gasol can be better then Griffin with the PnR of Nash. I'm even hard pressed to put Griffin above Nash, dude isn't exactly an impact player. He had a worse sophomore year then rookie and in the games I watched, he wasn't as good as I thot he was.

I really am not scared of Hriffin, our twin towers can at least contain his undersized ass. But again, your team is good bc of Paul, but we got Nash... Who is a better shooter and a better facilitator. Yeah he isn't as good overall but will still do major damage.

The PG, SF and PF positions ur team is better but its very misleading. The advantage isn't so significant in a team setting, however Bynum and Bryant are infinitely better then Billupd and Jordan based on impact and team setting.

Drew goes off on your boys all the time... Lol
Good luck, you'll need it.
I can see the rs being tied up possibly but over a 7 game series, Lakers would be too much for your team. Stop snorting crystal meth son.
You overrate your team so damn much.

Lakers got better defense, size, better facilitator, more star power, a lot more well rounded (inside dominance as well as perimeter game) while your team has more depth.

Think before you speak, Jesus.

[Story Up]

Sry for typos, using iPhone.

[Clippersfan86]

You're making this about a direct matchup between the teams when that's not what me or anybody was talking about :facepalm . I'm talking about going further in the playoffs and finishing better in the standings. Lakers match up well with the Clippers but with all the changes on both teams it's too soon to tell if that will continue.

[Story Up]

You're making this about a direct matchup between the teams when that's not what me or anybody was talking about :facepalm . I'm talking about going further in the playoffs and finishing better in the standings. Lakers match up well with the Clippers but with all the changes on both teams it's too soon to tell if that will continue.
Oh stfu clipper homer. Your team isn't THAT good, top 5-8 team but not on lakers, heat, OKC or SA level just accept it.

Bulls, Clippers, Nets, Grizzlies are in the next tier but that's not bad at all. They do have a chance I just think it's slim and they are clearly below Lakers.

Btw I consider clips > lakers last year bc la had no ball movement and shit shooters. Now with Jamison and NASH they not only have that, they are among the very best at that.

Clips besides depth haven't added a dimension like that, it's not about names on paper it's about using your head and envisioning the art of basketball.

Lakers are so damn dangerous noe, I was not confidant in them last year. I think they are better then OKC if hill is re-signed and Jamison is coming. With Dwight and J-Rich, they become undisputed best but that's another topic altogether.

Toy make me hate your team when I'm a big fan of Paul, Butler, Odom (my fav player besides fish). But your homerisim is repulsive.

[Clippersfan86]

Oh stfu clipper homer. Your team isn't THAT good, top 5-8 team but not on lakers, heat, OKC or SA level just accept it.

Bulls, Clippers, Nets, Grizzlies are in the next tier but that's not bad at all. They do have a chance I just think it's slim and they are clearly below Lakers.

Btw I consider clips > lakers last year bc la had no ball movement and shit shooters. Now with Jamison and NASH they not only have that, they are among the very best at that.

Clips besides depth haven't added a dimension like that, it's not about names on paper it's about using your head and envisioning the art of basketball.

Lakers are so damn dangerous noe, I was not confidant in them last year. I think they are better then OKC if hill is re-signed and Jamison is coming. With Dwight and J-Rich, they become undisputed best but that's another topic altogether.

Toy make me hate your team when I'm a big fan of Paul, Butler, Odom (my fav player besides fish). But your homerisim is repulsive.

Nothing I've said is me being a homer, but everything you're saying is you being an asshole for no reason. I'm not insulting the Lakers at all just don't appreciate you bashing the Clippers. Jamison was supposedly going to the Lakers the same way Rasheed Wallace was last summer yet haven't heard a peep about it today so it may not even happen.

[RazorBaLade]

Remember if a starter on the Lakers goes down that can really screw them bad (unless it's Artest). That's the biggest problem with top heavy teams... so you can't compare the Lakers to OKC who have a bunch of iron men. Durant and Westbrook haven't ever missed games from injury if I recall. Last year Clippers definitely took a hit but still finished strong because of the guard depth they had when Billups went down.

They got swept by the spurs as their entire team broke down. Not exactly finishing strong.. especially since they were ahead of the lakers for quite a while until the end. If anything they kind of finished poorly, only had 2-3 good stretches.

Sure if the lakers lose a big guy they'll be considerably worse.. heat were a lot worse with bosh out. But the fact remains that a spurs team (even more so a poor mans spurs team) is much less likely to win than a team that has a lot more of the top players on the court. Injuries are kind of the exception here, but if both teams are healthy, the lakers tema just has too many better players. They stand a much better chance against OKC and Spurs.

[qrich]

DeAndre has reportedly been working out daily to improve and I fully am expecting huge improvement from him, namely his pogo stick mentality on defense. Strength wise, I'm also expecting a good jump as well. Clippers still need to add two big men off the bench as Odom alone won't cut it alongside Thompkins. Darko for defense and either Ike Diogu/Craig Smith for spot minutes on the offensive side of things would be good additions. If not Darko, than Whiteside/Hollins would be so-so additions but not major difference makers since the backup Center will only get 10-15 minutes a night with the versatility the Clippers have. Just hoping Clippers and Suns can do a double S&T sending Foye to Phoenix for Robin Lopez.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Clippers do win the West, but the three teams that worry me the most are the Spurs, Lakers & Grizzlies in that order. The coaching advantage along with the savvy vets could end up being too much to overcome as shown this year (despite CP and Blake playing hobbled). Lakers size worries me, but Mike Brown is just as bad as Vinny, and I'm still not fully sure that Kobe would be willing to be fully unselfish to let the Lakers play through their advantages AND its unknown how Bynum will play since he does have a piss-poor attitude at times. Not to mention, Clippers should be able to use their versatility to their advantage and outrun the Lakers. Grizzlies trio of Gay-ZBo-Gasol, when clicking, should cause havoc to any team in the league. Conley is also really underrated and their biggest hole is at SG.

Clippers match-up very well with the Thunder and with these improvements to the roster, I'm expecting that to continue. Overall, the Thunder should still be the favorites to take the West, but realistically, the difference between the top 4 isn't as huge a gap as some people want to make it out to be, such as in the East with the gap between Miami and Brooklyn/Indiana.


Clips besides depth haven't added a dimension like that, it's not about names on paper it's about using your head and envisioning the art of basketball.

Clippers ultimately added two sharpshooters (Billups was injured, so I'm considering him an addition) and added much more versatility off the bench. Not to mention also adding an actual backup SF as opposed to playing it by committee and even having Randy Foye spend some time there.

[Clippersfan86]

They got swept by the spurs as their entire team broke down.

Sure if the lakers lose a big guy they'll be considerably worse.. heat were a lot worse with bosh out. But the fact remains that a spurs team (even more so a poor mans spurs team) is much less likely to win than a team that has a lot more of the top players on the court. Injuries are kind of the exception here, but if both teams are healthy, the lakers tema just has too many better players. They stand a much better chance against OKC and Spurs.

Well that was absolute worse case scenario and Clippers are going to be deeper this year most likely. I highly doubt once again the Clippers top 5 players will again all have substantial injuries in the playoffs. Butler broken hand, CP3 bad groin pull, Griffin torn Meniscus/knee sprain, Billups torn Achilles and Mo Williams injured shooting hand. What are the odds of that happening again? :D

BTW they finished stronger than any team in the NBA outside of Spurs and Grizzlies. They won 13 of 14 before losing their last two games of the season. Only reason Lakers caught them was the month February or March where they sucked balls and went on a few losing streaks (happened to be when Lakers caught fire).

[UtahJazzFan88]

Well that was absolute worse case scenario and Clippers are going to be deeper this year most likely. I highly doubt once again the Clippers top 5 players will again all have substantial injuries in the playoffs. Butler broken hand, CP3 bad groin pull, Griffin torn Meniscus/knee sprain, Billups torn Achilles and Mo Williams injured shooting hand. What are the odds of that happening again? :D

BTW they finished stronger than any team in the NBA outside of Spurs and Grizzlies. They won 13 of 14 before losing their last two games of the season. Only reason Lakers caught them was the month February or March where they sucked balls and went on a few losing streaks (happened to be when Lakers caught fire).

Lakers will go farther in the playoffs than the Clippers will, book it. Lakers aren't my favorite team, but will avy bet this.

Clippers should go after Nazr Mohammed or Aaron Gray for back-up center.

[RazorBaLade]

Well that was absolute worse case scenario and Clippers are going to be deeper this year most likely. I highly doubt once again the Clippers top 5 players will again all have substantial injuries in the playoffs. Butler broken hand, CP3 bad groin pull, Griffin torn Meniscus/knee sprain, Billups torn Achilles and Mo Williams injured shooting hand. What are the odds of that happening again? :D

Wouldn't be shocked if cp3 and griffin had something again, billups is 38 coming off a major injury... Butler has the worst luck I've seen in a while.. Mo is gone. IDK. Its possible. Lost a lot of players that made big big plays, what happens to the team without evans and youngs timely timely plays? Odom and hill are going to be making them? Tough.

In either case tho, at full health.. lakers still have 4 of the best 6 players. I don't know if that can be overcome. Has that kind of difference ever been overcome?

[Story Up]

Nash >>> Odom, Crawford and Hill.
If you people really are doubting that, watch come November. Nash isn't just bringing himself; he'll make our star bigs better and Kobe will get more rest.

That's a lot bigger then string depth. Remember lakers lost bc they had terrible ball movement yet still were a top 5 team last year.

[Clippersfan86]

Wouldn't be shocked if cp3 and griffin had something again, billups is 38 coming off a major injury... Butler has the worst luck I've seen in a while.. Mo is gone. IDK. Its possible. Lost a lot of players that made big big plays, what happens to the team without evans and youngs timely timely plays? Odom and hill are going to be making them? Tough.

In either case tho, at full health.. lakers still have 4 of the best 6 players. I don't know if that can be overcome. Has that kind of difference ever been overcome?

When it comes to top heavy vs more spread out talent I think there are a lot of variables. Injuries and chemistry primarily. If Odom+Crawford bounce back strong I don't see how the teams don't match up. Odom creates a significant matchup problem for anybody when he's on and Crawford can bury any team in the league when he gets hot. I would know.. I've seen the guy singlehandedly destroy my team with 25 point 4th quarters before. This is a guy who can outscore an entire opposing team for quarters at a time the way Kobe can.

So many factors and unknowns which is why I think it's wrong to flat out say who is better. Hell even Mason and Ireland the biggest Lakers homers in the world weren't sure who would win the Pacific now on their podcast.

[Story Up]

But hey, all the best to the clips. Hope they do well. I like them and root for them as a 2nd team, I just can't stomach cf always overrating his team and constantly creating useless threads about em.
You make guys like qrichs looks bad, who's a good poster and even that douche bag fiasco is better then cf.

[Clippersfan86]

But hey, all the best to the clips. Hope they do well. I like them and root for them as a 2nd team, I just can't stomach cf always overrating his team and constantly creating useless threads about em.
You make guys like qrichs looks bad, who's a good poster and even that douche bag fiasco is better then cf.

:applause: . I agree 110 percent lover boy.

[Droid101]

Mike Brown might have flaws, but he's 1000000 times better than Vinny Del Negro.

[qrich]

Nash >>> Odom, Crawford and Hill.
If you people really are doubting that, watch come November. Nash isn't just bringing himself; he'll make our star bigs better and Kobe will get more rest.

That's a lot bigger then string depth. Remember lakers lost bc they had terrible ball movement yet still were a top 5 team last year.

I'm not sold on Nash helping Bynum better, but definitely do see it with Pau. Bynum's atitude is piss-poor and with it being a contract year for him, I see him playing for a contract rather than for the good of the team, which would end up being a huge negative. I'm also not fully sold on Kobe willing to be unselfish enough to let Nash play to his advantages. If all that occurs, I'd say the Lakers are favorites to the take the West, but as of now, I don't see the gap between the Thunder, Spurs, Lakers, Clippers to be as huge as some people are making it seem to be.

[Clippersfan86]

Mike Brown might have flaws, but he's 1000000 times better than Vinny Del Negro.

I agree. As I said... the biggest gap between these teams is coaching and experience (as a unit). Which is a HUGE gap obviously. I think talent wise these teams would go the distance in a series.

[ncrizzle]

I thought this was a thread about grant hill. But i am much more entertained by this.The Spurs havent made much noise in the offseason, and are only getting older. They are hard to predict so i wont try. The clippers lost alot of pieces and area gonna start the season with griffin not %100. billups will provide more coaching and leadership than actual stats, which a team needs that has lost and found new team mates in the off season. Also, Paul is in his 2nd year with the team, going into his first training camp. He willl have a huge impact on the rest of the team. While I think the clips lost alot of good pieces and signed a few questionable FA, they will still be at least a 5 seed.
The lakers did get Nash, but the dude is 38 years old. Their bench is still gonna be one of the worst in the league. They better hope they roll through the regular season and get a high seed. Who knows if Nashs back or Bynums knees get problems.Not to mention the trend of Pau vanishing in the past 2 yeaers of the playoffs They have the best starting 5 in the league, but the drop off to the bench is ginourmous. So they will ask an aging kobe and nash to play big minutes in the later rounds of the playoffs, and i think that will be their demise.

OKC is OKC. We know that durant, westbrook, and harden are going to get theirs. Their half court offense is only gonna get better. They havent got any better or worse in FA, but they dont need to change much this year.

The grizz will enter this season with the best line up they have ever had. Despite losing Darell Arthur all of last year and Zbo half of the year while never getting back to more than %70 the 20 something games he played after coming back, the grizz finished 4th in the West and a franchise best winning %. Arthur will be back and Zbo will be back to his usual 20/10 self. Rudy gets alot of heat, but the offense was designed to be played through gasol and randolph. When zbo goes down all of a sudden you are drawing up a new scheme where rudy was number 1 and he delivered. Also, our free agency has been great. Resigned arthur and Mo speights, but also filled our biggest need at back up PG in Jared Bayless. He can put up the same points OJ did as the 6th man for less money. And he also can handle the ball. The grizz are bringing back their same starting 5 from the past 3 years( easily top 5), but now actually have a bench that wont blow a 20 point lead. Our bench ( or lack of ) , mainly back up PG is the reason we lost to the clippers. I will be very disappointed if we dont make the conference finals. And if we did happen to and make it to the Finals,our frontcourt would have a huge advantage and i honestly feel we could beat them in a 7 game series. We only played them once last year, but we blew them out by about 20 points breaking a 17 game home winning streak. 2 days earlier we beat the Thunder on the road. And a week before that we beat the lakers on the Road.


The West is Wide Open. Ofcourse OKC is favored, but any of these 5 teams atop the west can beat any other any night of the week. It just matters on who brings it. Each team is dramatically different in style of play. Its all about match ups. The reason the 8 seed grizz beat the top seed spurs two years ago in the same scenario that the clippers beat the grizz last year. Match ups. The grizz frontcourt dominated the spurs in 2010/2011/ . The clippers bench dominated the grizz bench this year

If you havent caught on by now, all the teams discussed are good. pointing out in the off season why X team is going to dominate Y team this year is kinda stupid. None of these teams got swept by another this year (except spurs swept grizz. but im blaming that on the absence of randolph), meaning that they all have the ability to contend. The playoffs are played one game at a time. I expect this years race for the west to be even more competitive.

[DixieNourmous]

Maybe the Lakers didn't show as much interest because they're not so interested in another small foward who shoots 25% from 3.

Ding Ding Ding! This is the correct answer :applause:

+1

[raptorfan_dr07]

Oh stfu clipper homer. Your team isn't THAT good, top 5-8 team but not on lakers, heat, OKC or SA level just accept it.


:oldlol: at this dumb@$$ thinking the Lakers are on OKC/Heat/SA level.

I'd actually put SA down a notch as well. OKC/Heat are in a class of their own and no team has done anything this offseason so far to be mentioned in that group.

The Clippers have a pretty talented team. Just remains to be seen how well they will all gel. Will Billups be able to make a solid return following his injury? Can Jamal Crawford play within the team system and not go shot happy like he can be? Is Lamar Odom's head screwed on right? Can Deandre Jordan give them anything to show he can be worth that insane contract he got? There's no question the talent is there, I'm just not sure how it will all work out.

[Fiasco]

In either case tho, at full health.. lakers still have 4 of the best 6 players. I don't know if that can be overcome. Has that kind of difference ever been overcome?

Bynum > Jordan
Gasol < Griffin
World Peace < Butler
Bryant > Billups
Nash < Paul

3-2 is how I see it. And the benches aren't even close.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Bynum > Jordan
Gasol < Griffin
World Peace < Butler
Bryant > Billups
Nash < Paul

3-2 is how I see it. And the benches aren't even close.

Bynum is infinitely better than Jordan. Gasol isn't too far of from Griffin and plays better D, World Peace and Butler are 10-13 PPG guys and are about the same to me.

No avy bet CF86? I know you've been wanting to avy bet Knicks fans saying the Nets will be better than Knicks. Lakers will go farther in the playoffs than Clippers.

[senelcoolidge]

The lakers are only signing guys that will take the minimum salary..they have no cap room. That franchise is going to be hurting really soon in a couple seasons. They will still be competitive this coming year, but after that there will be some panicking going on. The Clippers have a bright future, people want to play there. Times change deal with it.

[livingby3's]

Bynum > Jordan
Gasol < Griffin
World Peace < Butler
Bryant > Billups
Nash < Paul

3-2 is how I see it. And the benches aren't even close.

this formula doesn't even work in 2k

[All Net]

There would be no room after Jamison signing...

[jbot]

Maybe the Lakers didn't show as much interest because they're not so interested in another small foward who shoots 25% from 3.
oh come on. there's more to hill's game than 3's. well, not so much anymore though. uh...locker room leadership! that's it.:pimp:

[Darius]

Laker fans dreaming if they think ancient Nash puts them over the top. At least the fossil the Clips signed is just a backup for pretty much the min.

[ZenMaster]

oh come on. there's more to hill's game than 3's. well, not so much anymore though. uh...locker room leadership! that's it.:pimp:


There's anything to Hill's game BUT 3's, that's the problem.

[Clippersfan86]

I thought this was a thread about grant hill. But i am much more entertained by this.The Spurs havent made much noise in the offseason, and are only getting older. They are hard to predict so i wont try. The clippers lost alot of pieces and area gonna start the season with griffin not %100. billups will provide more coaching and leadership than actual stats, which a team needs that has lost and found new team mates in the off season. Also, Paul is in his 2nd year with the team, going into his first training camp. He willl have a huge impact on the rest of the team. While I think the clips lost alot of good pieces and signed a few questionable FA, they will still be at least a 5 seed.
The lakers did get Nash, but the dude is 38 years old. Their bench is still gonna be one of the worst in the league. They better hope they roll through the regular season and get a high seed. Who knows if Nashs back or Bynums knees get problems.Not to mention the trend of Pau vanishing in the past 2 yeaers of the playoffs They have the best starting 5 in the league, but the drop off to the bench is ginourmous. So they will ask an aging kobe and nash to play big minutes in the later rounds of the playoffs, and i think that will be their demise.

OKC is OKC. We know that durant, westbrook, and harden are going to get theirs. Their half court offense is only gonna get better. They havent got any better or worse in FA, but they dont need to change much this year.

The grizz will enter this season with the best line up they have ever had. Despite losing Darell Arthur all of last year and Zbo half of the year while never getting back to more than %70 the 20 something games he played after coming back, the grizz finished 4th in the West and a franchise best winning %. Arthur will be back and Zbo will be back to his usual 20/10 self. Rudy gets alot of heat, but the offense was designed to be played through gasol and randolph. When zbo goes down all of a sudden you are drawing up a new scheme where rudy was number 1 and he delivered. Also, our free agency has been great. Resigned arthur and Mo speights, but also filled our biggest need at back up PG in Jared Bayless. He can put up the same points OJ did as the 6th man for less money. And he also can handle the ball. The grizz are bringing back their same starting 5 from the past 3 years( easily top 5), but now actually have a bench that wont blow a 20 point lead. Our bench ( or lack of ) , mainly back up PG is the reason we lost to the clippers. I will be very disappointed if we dont make the conference finals. And if we did happen to and make it to the Finals,our frontcourt would have a huge advantage and i honestly feel we could beat them in a 7 game series. We only played them once last year, but we blew them out by about 20 points breaking a 17 game home winning streak. 2 days earlier we beat the Thunder on the road. And a week before that we beat the lakers on the Road.


The West is Wide Open. Ofcourse OKC is favored, but any of these 5 teams atop the west can beat any other any night of the week. It just matters on who brings it. Each team is dramatically different in style of play. Its all about match ups. The reason the 8 seed grizz beat the top seed spurs two years ago in the same scenario that the clippers beat the grizz last year. Match ups. The grizz frontcourt dominated the spurs in 2010/2011/ . The clippers bench dominated the grizz bench this year

If you havent caught on by now, all the teams discussed are good. pointing out in the off season why X team is going to dominate Y team this year is kinda stupid. None of these teams got swept by another this year (except spurs swept grizz. but im blaming that on the absence of randolph), meaning that they all have the ability to contend. The playoffs are played one game at a time. I expect this years race for the west to be even more competitive.

As most analysts have said... in the west it's OKC then a decent gap.... then Lakers, Clippers, Spurs and Grizzlies. All of them have a shot and the 4 after OKC are on the same tier, none superior really.

[wagexslave]

oh come on. there's more to hill's game than 3's. well, not so much anymore though. uh...locker room leadership! that's it.:pimp:
Not really, Grant Hill is one of the best defenders out there. Dude practically single handedly changed the Suns defense around from being one of the worst in the league year after year to actually decent. And his pull up jumpshot from mid range is silky smooth.

Only problem is that he gets really sloppy at the end of games. He's old though, so it's to be expected. He always comes out with all guns blazing at the beginning of games though, and just gets more and more sloppy as the game goes on.

[Raz]

Bynum > Jordan
Gasol < Griffin
World Peace < Butler
Bryant > Billups
Nash < Paul

3-2 is how I see it. And the benches aren't even close.

:roll:

If you're going to do that, at least show how great one is over the other.
Bynum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jordan
Gasol = Griffin
World Peace = Butler
Bryant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Billups
Nash <<<<< Paul

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

The lakers are only signing guys that will take the minimum salary..they have no cap room. That franchise is going to be hurting really soon in a couple seasons. They will still be competitive this coming year, but after that there will be some panicking going on. The Clippers have a bright future, people want to play there. Times change deal with it.
In a couple seasons, every contract will expire. Lakers will be fine.
Until then, Lakers are in a great position to compete.

[qrich]

Reportedly, Clipper players are already hanging out together and even working out together. The chemistry being built right off the bat is going to play extreme dividends.

[Clippersfan86]

Reportedly, Clipper players are already hanging out together and even working out together. The chemistry being built right off the bat is going to play extreme dividends.

What did you.read? Twitter?

[Fiasco]

:roll:

If you're going to do that, at least show how great one is over the other.
Bynum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jordan
Gasol = Griffin
World Peace = Butler
Bryant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Billups
Nash <<<<< Paul

The statement was "The Lakers have 4/5 starters that are better than the Clippers" and I simply used angle brackets to show which starters I thought were better.

Saying "x is better than y" is an entirely different argument.

And Metta World Peace does not = Butler this year nor last.