Sorry, Kobe Bryant is not a top 10 player all time

[PistolPete44]

We all know people have him at 8 because kobe has 5 rings and a couple of scoring titles. But here are a few reasons that drag him down to 11 or even lower

1. Fanbase
Kobe has the worst fanbase of all time. Kobe fans disrespect all other superstars in the game, and they hate on other Lakers players (pau, bynum..etc)
They also claim Kobe is the GOAT and attacks MJ fans.

2. Rape
Kobe Bryant sexual assault case began in the summer of 2003 when the news media reported that the sheriff's office in Eagle, Colorado had arrested NBA superstar Kobe Bryant in connection with an investigation of a sexual assault complaint filed by a 19-year-old hotel employee. ... and so on.

3. Nickname

Air, Magic, Glide, Dream, Dr., Pistol, Pearl, Glove, Microwave, Mailman, Silk, Skywalker, etc etc.
Kobe is the ONLY one who gave himself his OWN nickname: Black Mamba. The others were given their nicknames by others as signs of respect and admiration.
The nickname he gave himself is also pretty lame.

4. Hyped up since three peat.
Kobe stans, the media, and most of the people actually think Shaq stole the FMVPs from Kobe :oldlol: How pathetic
Those stans and media also rate him as the GOAT defender, which isn't true:sleeping

[AlonzoGOAT]

he's 8-11 in the goat list

[kennethgriffin]

i'm sorry but kobe bryant even without his first 8 years makes the top 10 all time

see my thread from 2-3 days ago

[tmacattack33]

Half the shit u said is BS. Who the F thinks Shaq stole a Finals MVP away from Kobe? And who the F thinks Kobe is a GOAT defender?

[Round Mound]

His EFF, PER and Plus/Minus is Very Low Compared to Other Greats. Many Whom Get Underrated Constantly.

Better Players than Kobe There are Atleast 15 More Dominant and Efficient Players

[PistolPete44]

i'm sorry but kobe bryant even without his first 8 years makes the top 10 all time

see my thread from 2-3 days ago

^ 1. fanbase

[kennethgriffin]

he's 8-11 in the goat list


only guys with a realistic shot above him are jordan, kareem, wilt, russell, magic

only guys with a realistic shot to tie him are bird, shaq, duncan

no one else comes close... kobe without his 1st 8 years of accomplishments beats the P*ss out of guys like hakeem, baylor, oscar, west etc

[Droid101]

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[PistolPete44]

His EFF, PER and Plus/Minus is Very Low Compared to Other Greats. Many Whom Get Underrated Constantly.

Better Players than Kobe There are Atleast 15 More Dominant and Efficient Players

^ 4. Hyped up since three peat.

Obvious how every points match the above reasons

[kennethgriffin]

^ 1. fanbase

^ ret*ard

pretty much every non fan ( i.e. player, past player, coach, past coach, gm, owner, guy in or around the nba puts kobe in their top 10. )

only guys who dont are random message board trolls

[christian1923]

Top 5.

[kennethgriffin]

His EFF, PER and Plus/Minus is Very Low Compared to Other Greats. Many Whom Get Underrated Constantly.

Better Players than Kobe There are Atleast 15 More Dominant and Efficient Players


round mound "the actual man" charles barkley puts kobe as 5th-6th all time

and charles has never been politically correct or been kind or sugar coated anything... he tells the straight up truth

suck it ****

[Big_Dogg]

This bullshit again :facepalm

[PickernRoller]

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[Halcon]

How does rape affect his standings as a great player? lol

But he does have the worst fans in the world. True dat.

[PistolPete44]

round mound "the actual man" charles barkley puts kobe as 5th-6th all time

and charles has never been politically correct or been kind or sugar coated anything... he tells the straight up truth

suck it ****

please leave, troll.
you have wilt at #11 and baylor at #46
No one will talk to you, except kobe stans:roll: Kobe is not the GOAT
stop saying he is better than MJ:facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

Top 5.

this





phil, george karl, pat riley, greg poppavich

west, shaq, magic, lebron, charles

bird, vince, tmac

rick barry, kareem

many many more... all have kobe as top 10... there isnt many people who dont have kobe as one of the top 5-10 players ever


some even have him as a top 2-3 player all time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0565oawy9Ak

[kennethgriffin]

please leave, troll.
you have wilt at #11 and baylor at #46
No one will talk to you, except kobe stans:roll: Kobe is not the GOAT
stop saying he is better than MJ:facepalm

:biggums:

wtf?

i have wilt at #4 and baylor at #14

kobe is not better than MJ... hes #6-7 all time... probably tied with bird

who the hell are you and who do you think i am ?

[Mach_3]

Sorry, Kobe Bryant is not a top 10 player all time

Ah sh1t all hell is about to break loose, shots fired! :lebronamazed:

[KyrieTheFuture]

round mound "the actual man" charles barkley puts kobe as 5th-6th all time

and charles has never been politically correct or been kind or sugar coated anything... he tells the straight up truth

suck it ****

He also thinks he's better than Malone.

[Round Mound]

round mound "the actual man" charles barkley puts kobe as 5th-6th all time

and charles has never been politically correct or been kind or sugar coated anything... he tells the straight up truth

suck it ****

:roll: :no:

He Mentioned that so Dumb Fans Like You can Live Happy because Weeks Before that He Had Hakeem Over Bryant and The Pannel Was Going Insane Against Him. He Did It To Soften You Idiotic Kobe Fans.

Kobe was Never the Most Efficient or Dominant Player in the League EVER....Nor the 2nd or 3rd...At most 4th

Suck it ===========>

[Deuce Bigalow]

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[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

he's regarded top 10 by people that favor team accomplishment over individual impact


put KG on the Lakers with P JAX, Shaq, etc. and he'll get you more success than Kobe while Kobe misses the playoffs with the Timberwolves every single year because he is not as impactful as KG

[pauk]

I have him at exactly #10...

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

For me Kobe only has 2 championships... but its still enough to grant him #10... Its not that those other 3 rings are worthless, but worth much less in value..... my top 10 is reserved only for leaders, team MVPs, THE MAN players/accomplishments...

[jstern]

It's true. I know I'm known as a Kobe hater, but Kobe went from not being in the top 10 like a year and a half ago in most people's list, to his lovers constantly saying, "Kobe a top ten player," over and over as if fact. Kobe hasn't done anything since then, getting sweaped by Dallas, shocking against the Thunder, but as you see in politics throughout history propaganda works. That's why I don't care for any top ten list, cause people are dumb and they're not experts.

Definition of propaganda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

The same with Lary Bird. 3 years ago he was always ahead of Magic in everyone's top ten list. Everyone's, and then suddenly, can't compete with Magic, magic is ahead by like 4 spots.

[AlonzoGOAT]

Kobe top 5:roll: kobe stans are insane and a disgrace to real laker fans

[PickernRoller]

So many of them gathered together in one thread....trying to find the right pic for the occasion....

http://www.nollywoodgossip.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/gay-guys1.jpg

[midatlantic09]

2. Rape
Kobe Bryant sexual assault case began in the summer of 2003 when the news media reported that the sheriff's office in Eagle, Colorado had arrested NBA superstar Kobe Bryant in connection with an investigation of a sexual assault complaint filed by a 19-year-old hotel employee. ... and so on.



He wasn't convicted nor does that have anything to do with his skill as a basketball player.

[kennethgriffin]

:roll: :no:

He Mentioned that so Dumb Fans Like You can Live Happy because Weeks Before that He Had Hakeem Over Bryant and The Pannel Was Going Insane Against Him. He Did It To Soften You Idiotic Kobe Fans.

Kobe was Never the Most Efficient or Dominant Player in the League EVER....Nor the 2nd or 3rd...At most 4th

Suck it ===========>


if you were a real barkley fan. you would know he tells sh*t straight up. doesn't speak for the media or fans. he says whats on his mind


guess you're not a real barkley fan... probably just some child who saw a few clips on youtube and thought it would be cool to be the only barkley fan that spams his youtube games every other day like its something new

you're a boring troll :sleeping

[kennethgriffin]

I have him at exactly #10...

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

For me Kobe only has 2 championships... but its still enough to grant him #10... Its not that those other 3 rings are worthless, but worth much less in value..... my top 10 is reserved only for leaders, team MVPs, THE MAN players/accomplishments...


you're a clown...

2000 23/5/5 ( 21/5/5 playoffs )
2001 28/6/5 ( 30/6/5 playoffs )
2002 25/6/5 ( 27/5/5 playoffs )

he has 5 championships nitwit


kobe did more for his 1st 3 titles than magic or kareem ever did for any title they won without a finals mvp... so if kobe has 2... kareem has 2 real rings... magic has 3 real rings...

you lebron fans are still god awful f*cking idiots even after your idol won half a ring... amaizing.. i thought youd get some common sense by now

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Bill Russell
Hakeem Olajuwon
Wilt Chamberlain
Charles Barkley
Bill Walton
David Robinson

10 better players than Kobe Bryant just off the top of my head only considering big men

[swag2011]

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lol funny how everyone except Lebron stans have him in the top 10.

Funny how people say Kobe first 3 rings don't count cause he didn't win FMVP. So using that logic.

Magic only has 3 rings.
Shaq only has 3 rings.
Duncan only has 3 rings.
Kareem only has 2 rings.
Bird only has 2 rings.

But wait, you hating ass hoes don't use that logic against anyone else... Typical haters. Can't wait for Kobe to get that 6th to see all the "hate Kobe" agenda driven threads.

[9erempiree]

Can't someone please ban this troll.

[Umad101]

How does any of this have to do with his game on the court or all the accomplishment he achieved

Brb he raped a girl so he can't be in the top 10
Brb his nickname is not cool enough so that makes him not good enough
Brb i don't like the way he chews his gum so he suck

Y'all trolls are hilarious :facepalm

[Dictator]

So many of them gathered together in one thread....trying to find the right pic for the occasion....

http://www.nollywoodgossip.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/gay-guys1.jpg

:lol

[Dictator]

Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Bill Russell
Hakeem Olajuwon
Wilt Chamberlain
Charles Barkley
Bill Walton
David Robinson

10 better players than Kobe Bryant just off the top of my head only considering big men

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[Clove21]

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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[PistolPete44]

Can't someone please ban this troll.
you are the troll who didn't have wilt at top 100 all time and deleted his records
i remember u :applause:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well Kobe's ranking can range from anywhere between 9 to 15. I had him at 12 right now, winning another ring may change this view.

[BlueandGold]

I can't help but notice none of those have to do with his play on the court?

Ray Lewis, OJ simpson both charged with murder, both arguably the greatest at their positions. Jordan a gambling junkie and Mickey Mantle was a drunk. Let's exclude all those players from GOAT conversation as well too. Also if we include adultery in there might as remove every single player from the hof.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Do we need this discussion every ****ing night? Kenneth slurps Kobe's balls we get it. LeBron ****ed his mom one night after a game and they left the door open and scarred him for life that's why he can't give LeBron credit for anything.

[AlonzoGOAT]

I can't help but notice none of those have to do with his play on the court?

Ray Lewis, OJ simpson both charged with murder, both arguably the greatest at their positions. Jordan a gambling junkie and Mickey Mantle was a drunk. Let's exclude all those players from GOAT conversation as well too. Also if we include adultery in there might as remove every single player from the hof.

You said lebrons decision something off the court would tarnish his legacy so what's the deal phagot?

[midatlantic09]

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:roll: :roll: :roll:

[BlueandGold]

You said lebrons decision something off the court would tarnish his legacy so what's the deal phagot?
That's still technically a basketball related issue but we can argue the semantics all day long. Even without the decision it's not like Lebron hasn't come up short before, especially during big game/crunch time situations.. but w/e he just won a FMVP and i give him credit so let's not turn this into that.

[Boston C's]

I have him at exactly #10...

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

For me Kobe only has 2 championships... but its still enough to grant him #10... Its not that those other 3 rings are worthless, but worth much less in value..... my top 10 is reserved only for leaders, team MVPs, THE MAN players/accomplishments...


Honestly this is probably my exact list...i probably would slid wilt to number 4 but I have no qualms about him being at 2 or anyone else on this list being where they are...maybe as a personal preference I'd switch duncan and shaq around as well

[AlonzoGOAT]

That's still technically a basketball related issue but we can argue the semantics all day long. Even without the decision it's not like Lebron hasn't come up short before, especially during big game/crunch time situations.. but w/e he just won a FMVP and i give him credit so let's not turn this into that.


So has kobe and him demanding a trade while lebron was a FA I don't know what dumbass would take either of those 2 off the court issues into account when ranking a player in a GOAT list. LeBron could kill 20 ppl and kobe could rape the state of colorado and I still wouldn't care.

A player has the right to demand a trade and leave to another team as a UR FA

[Round Mound]

if you were a real barkley fan. you would know he tells sh*t straight up. doesn't speak for the media or fans. he says whats on his mind


guess you're not a real barkley fan... probably just some child who saw a few clips on youtube and thought it would be cool to be the only barkley fan that spams his youtube games every other day like its something new

you're a boring troll :sleeping

:no: I`ve Been Watching B-Ball since 1989 Live So I Can Call Myself a Barkley Fan: Go Back and Look At That Inteview Before that Statment (which was Barkley being Funny..Saying Very Fast that Kobe is Top 5).

Barkley Knows What His Job Is Too....To Market the NBA and His New Fanboys.

[Round Mound]

Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Bill Russell
Hakeem Olajuwon
Wilt Chamberlain
Charles Barkley
Bill Walton
David Robinson

10 better players than Kobe Bryant just off the top of my head only considering big men

:applause: More Dominant Players and Also More Efficient.

Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Dr J
Elgin Baylor
Big 0
Wade

All Showed More Dominance & Efficiency : Higher PER, EFF & +/- In Their Primes in Respect to Other Players Around Them During Their Era

[talkingconch]

Posting in a troll thread.

None of those things you mentioned contribute to his all time ranking.

/Close thread mods

[PistolPete44]

Posting in a troll thread.

None of those things you mentioned contribute to his all time ranking.

/Close thread mods

^ kobe stans mad despite all the great points everybody here mentioned

man i hate kobe stans , they flood this forum like flood :coleman:

[PickernRoller]

^ kobe stans mad despite all the great points everybody here mentioned

man i hate kobe stans , they flood this forum like flood :coleman:

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Why u mad son?

[AlonzoGOAT]

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/rrnhu.gif

Why u mad son?

So many white girls was this pre rape or post?

[k0kakw0rld]

Top 5.
Really? Really? *The Miz's voice* GTFOH

[I LUV KOBE]

OP you are known as troll and kobe hater.. Who do you think in anyone here will believe in all your bullshit thread? Your so pathetic troll, kobe hater... :lol :lol

[fpliii]

highest I've seen a legitimate argument for Kobe is 6, lowest is 12

he's probably somewhere in-between (gun to my head and I say 7, mayyyyyyyyyybe 8 but likely 7)

not sure why this is such a hot-button issue on this board though...do you guys need multiple threads like this each day? :confusedshrug:

I mean this is borderline nuts...there have been probably 5000 players in the history of the NBA, and there are something like 400 on rosters today :wtf:

like seriously 30% of threads with a large volume of posts are about this man :facepalm:

so much obsession, just let the man finish his career out and CHILL

[Vienceslav]

9 or 10 is the only place you can put Kobe.I

[PickernRoller]

So many white girls was this pre rape or post?

None, Black Mamba Jesus only shows love and compassion for his followers. He gave that girl the art of sexuality....at first she was perplexed at such teachings so he eased her mind with a wonderful gift, 1,000,000 dollars. You should praise the lord like this young fella....Black Mamba Jesus is the only salvation. Open your soul to his wonderful healing...

http://i50.tinypic.com/t6dqig.jpg

[I LUV KOBE]

^ :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Quickening]

Lettuce be serious.... lets ignore team accomplishments, and media hype, and ignore the fact Kobe a good looking guy who attracts a legion of closet homos...

1 MVP, 2 FMVPS..... Lets be honest Kob has never been the clear best player in the league, he has proved that he can't carry a bunch of average/poor role players deep into the playoffs ala Lebron.

Honestly ignoring all the hype, he should be around the 15-20 mark.

[PickernRoller]

Lettuce be serious.... lets ignore team accomplishments, and media hype, and ignore the fact Kobe a good looking guy who attracts a legion of closet homos...

1 MVP, 2 FMVPS..... Lets be honest Kob has never been the clear best player in the league, he has proved that he can't carry a bunch of average/poor role players deep into the playoffs ala Lebron.

Honestly ignoring all the hype, he should be around the 15-20 mark.


Ignoring all the hype your boy should be deep down in the top 30.................1 of 3 in Final appearances. One of them being the biggest choke in NBA history by a superstar ever. Hype and ESPN bandwagon aside.....top 30 - Mental midget with entitlement issues. Got his first ring in a shortened NBA season, struggled in a weak ass East against the young, star-less, Pacers and an ancient Celtics. Took a young and inexperienced, also ill prepared Thunder by surprise with all of the Miami role players contributing to the success at key times. To top it off he had an All-star PF in Bosh and a Final MVP, franchise player in Wade to carry him out.

[fpliii]

Lettuce be serious.... lets ignore team accomplishments, and media hype, and ignore the fact Kobe a good looking guy who attracts a legion of closet homos...

1 MVP, 2 FMVPS..... Lets be honest Kob has never been the clear best player in the league, he has proved that he can't carry a bunch of average/poor role players deep into the playoffs ala Lebron.

Honestly ignoring all the hype, he should be around the 15-20 mark.

only 7 players post-merger have 1 MVP and 2 FMVPs

[Quickening]

Ignoring all the hype your boy should be deep down in the top 30..1 of 3. One of them being the biggest choke in NBA history by a superstar ever. Hype and ESPN bandwagon aside.....top 30 - Mental midget with entitlement issues.

3 MVPs... consensus best player in league for last 5 seasons... 1FMVP, only 27 years old.

Lebron wins one more FMVP and his clearly above Kobe in the rankings, deal with it.

No one cares about players who won championships as the second option... top ten is reserved for players who led their teams.

[PickernRoller]

3 MVPs... consensus best player in league for last 5 seasons... 1FMVP, only 27 years old.

Lebron wins one more FMVP and his clearly above Kobe in the rankings, deal with it.

No one cares about players who won championships as the second option... top ten is reserved for players who led their teams.

When you say consensus you mean Heat ehm, cough LBJ fans?

[Quickening]

When you say consensus you mean Heat fans?

No NBA fans and people who watch basketball...

[PickernRoller]

3 MVPs... consensus best player in league for last 5 seasons... 1FMVP, only 27 years old.

Lebron wins one more FMVP and his clearly above Kobe in the rankings, deal with it.

No one cares about players who won championships as the second option... top ten is reserved for players who led their teams.

When you say consensus you mean Heat fans? Lol calm down and sit down son. It took James 3 Final appearances and a shortened season to win a ring with 2 other superstars after the whole world witnessing the greatest choke job in NBA history ever.

I am actually dealing with the fact that Kobe is comfortable in top 10 and that Lebron's individual peak will never be better than Kobe's period.

[fpliii]

No NBA fans and people who watch basketball...

what's the argument for LeBron as consensus best player in 08 or 11? btw I've been a Heat fan since 04 so there's no anti-LeBron bias (jumped on board after the Shaq trade)

just don't see it either year

[Quickening]

When you say consensus you mean Heat fans? Lol calm down and sit down son. It took James 3 Final appearances and a shortened season to win a ring with 2 other superstars after the whole world witnessing the greatest choke job in NBA history ever.

I am actually dealing with the fact that Kobe is comfortable in top 10 and that Lebron's individual peak will never be better than Kobe's period.

Lebrons peak is comfortably better than Kobes.... Kobe in his peak couldn't get past the first round.:roll: :lol :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

3 MVPs... consensus best player in league for last 5 seasons... 1FMVP, only 27 years old.

Lebron wins one more FMVP and his clearly above Kobe in the rankings, deal with it.

No one cares about players who won championships as the second option... top ten is reserved for players who led their teams.

Deal with what? Delusional bandwagon Lebron fans aka Lebronytes like you, ranking Lebron based ONLY on titles and awards he hasn't even won yet? GTFOH:roll:

[PickernRoller]

No NBA fans and people who watch basketball...

LBJ dick riders do not qualify as NBA fans nor knowledable basketball fans. It's a fanatical cult following the d1ck of Lebron James in order to be the first gay man to svck his c0ck....word.

[WockaVodka]

3 MVPs... consensus best player in league for last 5 seasons... 1FMVP, only 27 years old.

Kobe was quite easily better than LeBron in 2008. I would say he has been the best for about 4 years though.

[Quickening]

Deal with what? Delusional bandwagon Lebron fans aka Lebronytes like you, ranking Lebron based ONLY on career accomplishments he hasn't achieved yet? GTFOH:roll:

Purely based on individual accomplishments as of now... Lebron and Kobe are neck and neck..... 3MVPs and 1 FMVP versus 1 MVP and 1 FMVP.... Obviously Lebron has the superior individual stats throughout his career.

[Quickening]

LBJ dick riders do not qualify as NBA fans nor knowledable basketball fans. It's a fanatical cult following the d1ck of Lebron James in order to be the first gay man to svck his c0ck....word.

Why you mad?:confusedshrug:

[fpliii]

Purely based on individual accomplishments as of now... Lebron and Kobe are neck and neck..... 3MVPs and 1 FMVP versus 1 MVP and 1 FMVP.... Obviously Lebron has the superior individual stats throughout his career.

again, only 6 other guys since the merger have 1MVP and 2 FMVPs

[PickernRoller]

Till 2010 Kobe was the better player...want proof? 2011 NBA Finals 4th quarter ppg from the King aka the Queen of Wade.

[Quickening]

again, only 6 other guys since the merger have 1MVP and 2 FMVPs

I heard you the first time, but your point is irrelevent so I ignored it.:applause:

[LakersReign]

Purely based on individual accomplishments as of now... Lebron and Kobe are neck and neck..... 3MVPs and 1 FMVP versus 1 MVP and 1 FMVP.... Obviously Lebron has the superior individual stats throughout his career.

Please:rolleyes:

Kobe is already Top 10 to anybody who really knows basketball. Lebron is nowhere near that with only one title. Stop embarrassing yourself:facepalm

[Quickening]

Till 2010 Kobe was the better player...want proof? 2011 NBA Finals 4th quarter ppg from the King aka the Queen of Wade.

Kobe who shot 6 for 24 in game 7 of the NBA finals... and Lakers still won in spite of him...:roll:

Lebron>Kobe deal with it.

[Quickening]

Please:rolleyes:

Kobe is already Top 10 to anybody who really knows basketball. Lebron is nowhere near that with only one title. Stop embarrassing yourself:facepalm

Actually most knowledgable basketball fans... have Lebron and Kobe neck and neck at the moment... Obviously Lebron still in his prime so will finish higher when its all said and done.

[PickernRoller]

Why you mad?:confusedshrug:

Me mad....look at my boy in that avatar, he sports 5 while your boy relishes on one. There is a difference you see? If you can't tell it's understanable.

I know you mad that you're mad right now. It's ok. not so long ago you guys were close to paranoia, Celtics just too old to get the job done. Anyway, the basketball world was chanting "choker" at every corner of the world up until the closing minutes of game 7 vs. the Celtics......don't just choose to forget when talking about what the basketball world actually though of James. Unless you think ESPN, the sole broadcaster of the Decision is the "basketball world".

[Quickening]

Me mad....look at my boy in that avatar, he sports 5 while your boy relishes on one. There is a difference you see? If you can't tell it's understanable.

I know you mad that you're mad right now. It's ok. not so long ago you guys were close to paranoia, Celtics just too old to get the job done.

Yes Derrick Fisher is also top ten right? :applause:

[Quickening]

Sure:rolleyes:

He was supposed to have surpassed Jordan by now too, what happened to all that? Keep dreaming:facepalm

You talking about Kobe here? :roll: :applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

The first 3 reasons have to be the ****ing stupidest reasons I've ever seen.

And the 4th one, you only had one part right: Hype. And the rest of it was bullshit. Who thinks Shaq robbed Kobe of Finals MVP's (as if that's more important than a championship) ?

Either way, all of it is arbitrary lists. Make your own list and smile for it.

[talkingconch]

^ kobe stans mad despite all the great points everybody here mentioned

man i hate kobe stans , they flood this forum like flood :coleman:
Brah, are you dumb?

supposedly raping a girl does not contribute to his basketball ranking

what the media thinks of him/hypes him up does not contribute to his basketball ranking (maybe it does, but only in a positive way since more people know about him)

he has no control over his fanbase

nickname - self explanatory

[Quickening]

Yeah dumba** cuz you're the only idiot on the planet who knows Kobe has a "chosen one" tattoo on his back.:facepalm

Try harder:rolleyes:

The next MJ, closest thing to MJ ever...:roll: :applause:

[Quickening]

....is exactly what know nothing about basketball morons like you were saying about Lebron while he was in Cleveland, wearing #23. Please continue to further embarrass yourself:facepalm

Pale imitation... :roll: :lol :applause:

[Quickening]

Yep....according to you, Lebron really is a pale imitation of Jordan, since he has NONE of Jordan's qualities. But yet know nothing about basketabll morons like you INSIST on still comparing Lebron to him:facepalm

Has Kobe surpassed MJ yet? Last of a dying breed? :lol :applause:

[Quickening]

Has Lebron "king chosen one" james done anything to threaten Jordan's legacy yet? Not even in the same class:roll:

But the Black Mamba is right, Kobe best player ever, not a hyped up shot jacker who in his pime couldn't get past the first round.:applause:

[LakersReign]

But why you so mad though?:lol

[Quickening]

lol at deleting all your own posts, psycho! :lol :applause:

[Kews1]

I think Kobe's a top10 player. But i place him at the 10 spot. I dont think that he's a better player than Shaq, Hakeem or Duncan who are the usual names that float around the 6-10 range.

Kobe's not the GOAT that most of his fans make him out to be, but he's also not the scrub that his critics try to portray him as.

So id say he is in the top10 but hes the 10th person on that list.

[Deuce Bigalow]

But the Black Mamba is right, Kobe best player ever, not a hyped up shot jacker who in his pime couldn't get past the first round.:applause:
Kareem missed the Playoffs 2 times and lost in the 1st round 3 times in his prime

Lol at him being top 10

...

[Quickening]

:lol @this pathetic a**clown, running around ISH, talking to sock puppets, cuz he's delusional enough to think they're real people, trying to judge someone else mental state. Yeah dumba**, cuz something good is supposed to happen to you from messing with a "psycho"....right?:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

A psycho who never leaves his house doesn't really scare me.:lol :applause:

[LakersReign]

A ret**d, talking to sock puppets, cuz he thinks they're real people, while calling somebody else "psycho" STILL makes you look that much more ret**ded no matter how many times you post your delusional bullcrap:lol

[LEFT4DEAD]

...
LoL at this sh!thead. Why aren't you yet in mental hospital or smt like that? :confusedshrug:
p.s. Kobe is somewhere between top 10-12. Lebron is no.13. With one more ring Lebron is easily top 8-9.

[PistolPete44]

Man... the kobrick stans really exposed themselves in this thread...

LakersReign
Kennithgriffith
talkingconch

and their ultimate leader PickernRoller

Sigh kobrick stans...

[Deuce Bigalow]

I heard you the first time, but your point is irrelevent so I ignored it.:applause:
And anything you ever said was relevant? Nope

[Quickening]

And anything you ever said was relevant? Nope
:facepalm

[LakersReign]

Man... the kobrick stans really exposed themselves in this thread...

LakersReign
Kennithgriffith
talkingconch

and their ultimate leader PickernRoller

Sigh kobrick stans...

Try harder....bwink/dumbzuki/etc. You're boring me with this played out sock puppet crap. Either come up with something new or simply STFU:facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

Man... the kobrick stans really exposed themselves in this thread...

LakersReign
Kennithgriffith
talkingconch

and their ultimate leader PickernRoller

Sigh kobrick stans...
What are you talking about?

Your Age: 71

Go to sleep old man and take your Alzheimers pills

[Quickening]

A ret**d, talking to sock puppets, cuz he thinks they're real people, while calling somebody else "psycho" STILL makes you look that much more ret**ded no matter how many times you post your delusional bullcrap:lol
Wait.. whos the sock puppet, you? Because your the one I have been talking too.... :lol :applause:

Exposed.:bowdown:

[Deuce Bigalow]

:facepalm
Yep. That's my reaction to each of your posts in this thread.

[Quickening]

Yep. That's my reaction to each of your posts in this thread.

Oh tis is where you just repeat back what i say? Imitation is the greatest form of flaterry... we have a similar relationship to MJ and Kobe.:lol :applause:

[PistolPete44]

What are you talking about?

Your Age: 71

Go to sleep old man and take your Alzheimers pills
Dunce Bungalow extremely mad :oldlol:

[Quickening]

So going off this thread Kobe is about consensus 12 spot... I would go with around the 15 mark but I can agree with that.:applause:

[PistolPete44]

Try harder....bwink/dumbzuki/etc. You're boring me with this played out sock puppet crap. Either come up with something new or simply STFU:facepalm
LakersReign - the infamous psycho on this site :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Dunce Bungalow extremely mad :oldlol:
Why would I be mad?

My favorite franchise has 16 NBA Championships.
My favorite player has helped that team win 5 NBA Championships

[Deuce Bigalow]

So going off this thread Kobe is about consensus 12 spot... I would go with around the 15 mark but I can agree with that.:applause:
There's 11-14 players better that had a better career? I'd like to see that list of yours.

[LakersReign]

LakersReign - the infamous psycho on this site :lol

....cuz you say so and use your sock puppets to agree with you....right?:rolleyes:

Thanks for admitting that this "psycho" OWNS your sorry a** for the last 6 months. The little b***h got beat so bad, he HAD TO go running away, cryin' like a little girl to his precious sock puppets for backup. Cuz he's ret**ded enough to think they're real people. Then he tries to call other people psycho.:roll:

[PistolPete44]

Why would I be mad?

My favorite franchise has 16 NBA Championships.
My favorite player has helped that team win 5 NBA Championships

THIS DUDE RANKED WILT AT #21 and BAYLOR AT #58 and CONSTANTLY DISRESPECT ALL THE FRANCHISE LEGENDS ( EXCEPT KOBRICK )
and he called laker "his favourite franchise" :roll: :roll:

:biggums:

[PistolPete44]

Donce Bungalow valued career accomplishments so much and he ranked Robert Horry and Sam Jones at #7 #8 all time

(while having Kobe at #2, or is it #1 now ? over Jordan?)
PATHETIC

[I LUV KOBE]

Why are you still arguing with this asshole... No one is believing in all his shitty thread.. This dude become top 10 f@gg0t of ISH of all time.. Dude congrats on your new ranking, you deserved it.. :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

THIS DUDE RANKED WILT AT #21 and BAYLOR AT #58 and CONSTANTLY DISRESPECT ALL THE FRANCHISE LEGENDS ( EXCEPT KOBRICK )
and he called laker "his favourite franchise" :roll: :roll:

:biggums:
I don't have Wilt at 21
I don't have Baylor at 58
I don't have Horry or Jones near those numbers, making up shit old man, or losing memory?

My list. CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

1. MJ - 6 rings, 6 fmvps, 5 mvps, 10 scoring titles, 10 all nba 1st teams
2. Magic - 5 rings, 3 fmvps, 3 mvps, 10 all nba 1st teams
3. Russell - 11 rings
4. Kareem - 6 rings, 2 fmvps, 6 mvps
5. Bird - 3 rings, 2 fmvps, 3 mvps
6. Shaq - 4 rings, 3 fmvps, mvp
7. Kobe - 5 rings, 2 fmvps, mvp, 2 scoring titles, 10 all nba 1st teams
8. Duncan - 4 rings, 3 fmvps
9. Hakeem - 2 rings, 2 fmvps, 2 dopy, mvp
10. Mikan - 5 rings, 2 more rings in previous league that wasn't nba, mvp
11. Wilt - 2 rings, fmvp, 4 mvps
12.-14. West/Moses/Oscar

Baylor is definitely top 25

[PistolPete44]

I don't have Wilt at 21
I don't have Baylor at 58
I don't have Horry or Jones near those numbers, making up shit old man, or losing memory?

My list. CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

1. MJ - 6 rings, 6 fmvps, 5 mvps, 10 scoring titles, 10 all nba 1st teams
2. Magic - 5 rings, 3 fmvps, 3 mvps, 10 all nba 1st teams
3. Russell - 11 rings
4. Kareem - 6 rings, 2 fmvps, 6 mvps
5. Bird - 3 rings, 2 fmvps, 3 mvps
6. Shaq - 4 rings, 3 fmvps, mvp
7. Kobe - 5 rings, 2 fmvps, mvp, 2 scoring titles, 10 all nba 1st teams
8. Duncan - 4 rings, 3 fmvps
9. Hakeem - 2 rings, 2 fmvps, 2 dopy, mvp
10. Mikan - 5 rings, 2 more rings in previous league that wasn't nba, mvp
11. Wilt - 2 rings, fmvp, 4 mvps
12.-14. West/Moses/Oscar

Baylor is definitely top 25
Kobe at 7 ? Hypocrisy
u had him at 1 secretly

[Deuce Bigalow]

You really 71 ?, or are you a sock puppet account of jlaubers or somebody else?

[PistolPete44]

You really 71 ?, or are you a sock puppet account of jlaubers or somebody else?
Everybody please look at him
having wilt at #11
WHEN ITS OBVIOUS THAT he deserved FMVP in his first ring
this dude actually thinks that before 1969 there weren't any lead dogs for a championship each year, how dumb:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Everybody please look at him
having wilt at #11
WHEN ITS OBVIOUS THAT he deserved FMVP in his first ring
this dude actually thinks that before 1969 there weren't any lead dogs for a championship each year, how dumb:roll:
10 players have more or as much "lead dog" rings as Wilt

Debunk what I posted. Why should Wilt be ahead of those guys when he had a worse career?

[Deuce Bigalow]

And no I don't think before '69 "lead dog" rings didn't exist :facepalm

When have I said that? :facepalm

So much talking out of your ass

[Vienceslav]

All sorts of mad going on in this thread.:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/3427465_o.gif

[PistolPete44]

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/3427465_o.gif
KOBE, why we hate . GIF

[Pinkhearts]

He didn't even rape.

He just cheated on his wife. No worse than most NBA players

[longtime lurker]

Why isn't this Pistol Pete idiot banned yet?

[Hank]

He's not even Top-20

And its hilarious how so many people are realizing what an overrated POS he really is. Everywhere you go the data is being shown. The way it's going,, in 10-15 years he will be totally forgotten and not even considered a Top-25 player

which is what he deserves

[dynasty1978]

He's not even Top-20

And its hilarious how so many people are realizing what an overrated POS he really is. Everywhere you go the data is being shown. The way it's going,, in 10-15 years he will be totally forgotten and not even considered a Top-25 player

which is what he deserves

Lebron lover taking this thread to a new low :applause:

[Optimus Prime]

Kobe Bryant is Top 10 easily ... maybe even Top 5. I have him around 5/6 just like Bill Simmons who is a notorious Boston homer and hates Kobe ... but at least he can recognize greatness.

Kids are just mad is all. Haters gonna hate that Kobe is gonna get six, seven and eight!

:kobe:

[dynasty1978]

Kobe Bryant is Top 10 easily ... maybe even Top 5. I have him around 5/6 just like Bill Simmons who is a notorious Boston homer and hates Kobe ... but at least he can recognize greatness.

Kids are just mad is all. Haters gonna hate that Kobe is gonna get six, seven and eight!

:kobe:


I don't think he's sniffing top 5, sorry. Moving past Shaq or Duncan is possible, just not probable. So 8-10 is about right.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

He's not even Top-20

And its hilarious how so many people are realizing what an overrated POS he really is. Everywhere you go the data is being shown. The way it's going,, in 10-15 years he will be totally forgotten and not even considered a Top-25 player

which is what he deserves
crack is bad for you.

[Legends66NBA7]

I think Kobe's a top10 player. But i place him at the 10 spot. I dont think that he's a better player than Shaq, Hakeem or Duncan who are the usual names that float around the 6-10 range.

Kobe's not the GOAT that most of his fans make him out to be, but he's also not the scrub that his critics try to portray him as.

So id say he is in the top10 but hes the 10th person on that list.

Pretty much this.

And that's coming from a Celtics fan people.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe is definitely a top 10 player based on the way people traditionally rank players all-time, which is based on resume. This includes things like accolades, titles, numbers, and impact. But in terms of pure impact, he may very well be below more than 10-13+ players in history. But we don't rank players strictly on impact alone. Personally, I have him ranked #9, behind MJ/KAJ/Russell/Magic/Wilt/Bird/Shaq/Duncan.

[magicmanfan]

We all know people have him at 8 because kobe has 5 rings and a couple of scoring titles. But here are a few reasons that drag him down to 11 or even lower


do you know how many players there have been in the NBA?

so #11 all time is still great.... (and get your facts right $#@%^$$)

[JellyBean]

I am cool with that. I just know that Kobe will be among the all-time greats when people talk about him. I really don't care where he is ranked, just as long as he is ranked. Top 50th. Top 100th. Top 500. He is among the greats. Haters can't deny that. Kobe will be among the greats.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Kobe is definitely a top 10 player based on the way people traditionally rank players all-time, which is based on resume. This includes things like accolades, titles, numbers, and impact. But in terms of pure impact, he may very well be below more than 10-13+ players in history. But we don't rank players strictly on impact alone. Personally, I have him ranked #9, behind MJ/KAJ/Russell/Magic/Wilt/Bird/Shaq/Duncan.
for the most part, I would agree. He is in there with Big O, Hakeem, West, etc.
In terms of "impact alone", I would have agreed with you until he beat the Big 4 Celtics (much younger and better than this years Celtics) with just Gasol and Odom. Yes, stats were ugly (for everyone) in that series because it was such a defensive series, but that just goes to show his all around impact.

[Ne 1]

he's regarded top 10 by people that favor team accomplishment over individual impact


put KG on the Lakers with P JAX, Shaq, etc. and he'll get you more success than Kobe while Kobe misses the playoffs with the Timberwolves every single year because he is not as impactful as KG
Yeah, even though made it to the playoffs with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom and Luke Walton in the vastly superior Western Confrence and even almost nearly upset a stacked Suns team. :coleman:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I have him at exactly #10...

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

For me Kobe only has 2 championships... but its still enough to grant him #10... Its not that those other 3 rings are worthless, but worth much less in value..... my top 10 is reserved only for leaders, team MVPs, THE MAN players/accomplishments...
:wtf:

[Vertical-24]

His EFF, PER and Plus/Minus is Very Low Compared to Other Greats. Many Whom Get Underrated Constantly.

Better Players than Kobe There are Atleast 15 More Dominant and Efficient Players
Higher career PER than the great Larry Bird. Argument is invalid.

[LakersReign]

he's regarded top 10 by people that favor team accomplishment over individual impact


put KG on the Lakers with P JAX, Shaq, etc. and he'll get you more success than Kobe while Kobe misses the playoffs with the Timberwolves every single year because he is not as impactful as KG


Of course....of course. Kobe is the only superstar NBA player who gets penalized for having bad teammates:rolleyes:

Yeah, just slap ANYBODY in Kobe's spot on the Lakers and they'll still win....right? Which doesn't explain why the Lakers didn't start winning titles until Kobe became a starter. Same tired hater tripe....different day:facepalm

[ihoopallday]

:roll: :roll: at the arguing in this thread.

[LA_Showtime]

Kobe will be bumped out eventually so I don't even know why this is a discussion. Kobe easily has a top ten career but for basketball purists he probably falls between 10-20, mainly because his impact was never on the level of Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc.

[Vienceslav]

We should make another top 20 voting because last time it went so well.:roll:

[dunksby]

1- Kareem
2- MJ
3- Magic
4- Russell
5- Wilt
6- Bird
7- Kobe
8- Shaq
9- Duncan
10- Hakeem

[Horatio33]

I don't have Wilt at 21
I don't have Baylor at 58
I don't have Horry or Jones near those numbers, making up shit old man, or losing memory?

My list. CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

1. MJ - 6 rings, 6 fmvps, 5 mvps, 10 scoring titles, 10 all nba 1st teams
2. Magic - 5 rings, 3 fmvps, 3 mvps, 10 all nba 1st teams
3. Russell - 11 rings
4. Kareem - 6 rings, 2 fmvps, 6 mvps
5. Bird - 3 rings, 2 fmvps, 3 mvps
6. Shaq - 4 rings, 3 fmvps, mvp
7. Kobe - 5 rings, 2 fmvps, mvp, 2 scoring titles, 10 all nba 1st teams
8. Duncan - 4 rings, 3 fmvps, 2 MVPS
9. Hakeem - 2 rings, 2 fmvps, 2 dopy, mvp
10. Mikan - 5 rings, 2 more rings in previous league that wasn't nba, mvp
11. Wilt - 2 rings, fmvp, 4 mvps
12.-14. West/Moses/Oscar

Baylor is definitely top 25

Missed a bit that will elevate Duncan over Kobe.

What about Wilt's scoring titles? Nash has one MVP more than Kobe. Durant has more scoring titles than Kobe. You misssed Russell's MVPs. You missed other peoples All NBA first teams. Duncan has ROY that Kobe doesn't have.

[Mr. Feeny]

We all know people have him at 8 because kobe has 5 rings and a couple of scoring titles. But here are a few reasons that drag him down to 11 or even lower

1. Fanbase
Kobe has the worst fanbase of all time. Kobe fans disrespect all other superstars in the game, and they hate on other Lakers players (pau, bynum..etc)
They also claim Kobe is the GOAT and attacks MJ fans.

2. Rape
Kobe Bryant sexual assault case began in the summer of 2003 when the news media reported that the sheriff's office in Eagle, Colorado had arrested NBA superstar Kobe Bryant in connection with an investigation of a sexual assault complaint filed by a 19-year-old hotel employee. ... and so on.

3. Nickname

Air, Magic, Glide, Dream, Dr., Pistol, Pearl, Glove, Microwave, Mailman, Silk, Skywalker, etc etc.
Kobe is the ONLY one who gave himself his OWN nickname: Black Mamba. The others were given their nicknames by others as signs of respect and admiration.
The nickname he gave himself is also pretty lame.

4. Hyped up since three peat.
Kobe stans, the media, and most of the people actually think Shaq stole the FMVPs from Kobe :oldlol: How pathetic
Those stans and media also rate him as the GOAT defender, which isn't true:sleeping

Sorry but this is really dumb. Just because we live in this day in age are we unfortunately exposed to dumb fans on the internet. Do you really think Kobe stans online have any sort of outcome on Kobe's performance? No, so why should it influence his ranking?

Its funny that you just write a description of the rape case and have no explanation for it. Well guess what, Kobe wasn't convicted of rape. You seriously are whining "Kobe isnt top 10 because his nickname sucks!!"..?

I get a lot of you are annoyed mostly by kobe stans overrating him but posts like this really do ruin your credibility.

In the end of the day, Kobe is sitting on his millions and will retire as a top 10 GOAT and NBA legend--while you'll continue to preach otherwise on t3h interw3bz. Have fun with that.

:kobe:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Missed a bit that will elevate Duncan over Kobe.

What about Wilt's scoring titles? Nash has one MVP more than Kobe. Durant has more scoring titles than Kobe. You misssed Russell's MVPs. You missed other peoples All NBA first teams. Duncan has ROY that Kobe doesn't have.
Kobe has surpassed Duncan. He was the best player on the floor 4 out of 5 times LA and San Antonio met in the Playoffs. And the longevity isn't even close between the two. Kobe is still playing at a high level, Duncan hasn't been since '08.

In '01 WCF, Kobe averaged 33-7-7 and the Lakers swept #1 seed San Antonio
In '02 WCSF, Kobe outscored San Antonio by himself in the 4th quarter of game 4 and hit the gamewinner, he scored 11 points on 5-5 shooting in the 4th quarter of game 3
In '08 WCF, Kobe scored 14 points and hit a gamewinner in the 4th quarter of Game 1 leading his team from a 20 point comeback. He was great throughout the rest of the series as well scoring 39 in the clincher.

Kobe just owned Duncan's Spurs in the Playoffs, what else can I say :confusedshrug:

[G.O.A.T]

We all know people have him at 8 because kobe has 5 rings and a couple of scoring titles. But here are a few reasons that drag him down to 11 or even lower

1. Fanbase
Kobe has the worst fanbase of all time. Kobe fans disrespect all other superstars in the game, and they hate on other Lakers players (pau, bynum..etc)
They also claim Kobe is the GOAT and attacks MJ fans.

2. Rape
Kobe Bryant sexual assault case began in the summer of 2003 when the news media reported that the sheriff's office in Eagle, Colorado had arrested NBA superstar Kobe Bryant in connection with an investigation of a sexual assault complaint filed by a 19-year-old hotel employee. ... and so on.

3. Nickname

Air, Magic, Glide, Dream, Dr., Pistol, Pearl, Glove, Microwave, Mailman, Silk, Skywalker, etc etc.
Kobe is the ONLY one who gave himself his OWN nickname: Black Mamba. The others were given their nicknames by others as signs of respect and admiration.
The nickname he gave himself is also pretty lame.

4. Hyped up since three peat.
Kobe stans, the media, and most of the people actually think Shaq stole the FMVPs from Kobe :oldlol: How pathetic
Those stans and media also rate him as the GOAT defender, which isn't true:sleeping

None of those are reasons to rank him lower. Not at all.

[Segatti]

For me Kobe only has 2 championships...

"For you" :lol :lol

Nobody cares about what you think dumbass. The fact: Kobe has one ring less than Jordan. The rest is the cry from haters (aka lebrontards).

[MetsPackers]

1- Kareem
2- MJ
3- Magic
4- Russell
5- Wilt
6- Bird
7- Kobe
8- Shaq
9- Duncan
10- Hakeem

Kobe over Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem :wtf: No Oscar Robertson? Very flawed list just to promote Kobe. IMO not top 10 all time, definitly top 20 tho

[Unstoppabull]

Too bad, Kobe is pretty much lock in the top 10 already. Just deal with it and move on.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Kobe over Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem :wtf: No Oscar Robertson? Very flawed list just to promote Kobe. IMO not top 10 all time, definitly top 20 tho
Kobe has a better resume that Hakeem.
As for Shaq/Duncan, its reasonable to align those 3 however you like...they are all pretty much on par.... somewhere in the 2nd half of top 10.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Of course....of course. Kobe is the only superstar NBA player who gets penalized for having bad teammates:rolleyes:

Yeah, just slap ANYBODY in Kobe's spot on the Lakers and they'll still win....right? Which doesn't explain why the Lakers didn't start winning titles until Kobe became a starter. Same tired hater tripe....different day:facepalm

Lakers started winning titles in 1949.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Kobe has a better resume that Hakeem.
As for Shaq/Duncan, its reasonable to align those 3 however you like...they are all pretty much on par.... somewhere in the 2nd half of top 10.

Hakeem is comfortably a better player than Kobe Bryant both ways.

[DKLaker]

http://i46.tinypic.com/20fdnc7.jpg


THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DKLaker]

Kobe has surpassed Duncan. He was the best player on the floor 4 out of 5 times LA and San Antonio met in the Playoffs. And the longevity isn't even close between the two. Kobe is still playing at a high level, Duncan hasn't been since '08.

In '01 WCF, Kobe averaged 33-7-7 and the Lakers swept #1 seed San Antonio
In '02 WCSF, Kobe outscored San Antonio by himself in the 4th quarter of game 4 and hit the gamewinner, he scored 11 points on 5-5 shooting in the 4th quarter of game 3
In '08 WCF, Kobe scored 14 points and hit a gamewinner in the 4th quarter of Game 1 leading his team from a 20 point comeback. He was great throughout the rest of the series as well scoring 39 in the clincher.

Kobe just owned Duncan's Spurs in the Playoffs, what else can I say :confusedshrug:


Boom!!!!! :bowdown: :rockon:

[chazzy]

It's true. I know I'm known as a Kobe hater, but Kobe went from not being in the top 10 like a year and a half ago in most people's list, to his lovers constantly saying, "Kobe a top ten player," over and over as if fact. Kobe hasn't done anything since then, getting sweaped by Dallas, shocking against the Thunder, but as you see in politics throughout history propaganda works. That's why I don't care for any top ten list, cause people are dumb and they're not experts.
What? People were putting him in the top 10 after 09, and then a large majority did after 2010

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Kevin Garnet > Kobe Bryant

03-04 regular season:

24.2
13.9
5.0
1.5
2.2

03-04 playoffs:

24.3
14.6
5.1
1.4
2.3

Get back to me when Kobe Bryant can be as all around dominant as Kevin Garnett being a team's dominant defensive anchor/presence/leader while also being the leading scorer and best facilitator on the team leading your team to the #1 record in the WC and carrying your team to the WCF. All with a lackluster roster with injury problems.

:bowdown:

[PickernRoller]

http://i49.tinypic.com/ohs0oo.gif

[The Iron Fist]

Kevin Garnet > Kobe Bryant

03-04 regular season:

24.2
13.9
5.0
1.5
2.2

03-04 playoffs:

24.3
14.6
5.1
1.4
2.3

Get back to me when Kobe Bryant can be as all around dominant as Kevin Garnett being a team's dominant defensive anchor/presence/leader while also being the leading scorer and best facilitator on the team leading your team to the #1 record in the WC and carrying your team to the WCF. All with a lackluster roster with injury problems.

:bowdown:


Name any team with a shooting guard who is the dominant defensive anchor.

[scandisk_]

Name any team with a shooting guard who is the dominant defensive anchor.

ether :lol

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Name any team with a shooting guard who is the dominant defensive anchor.

Kevin Garnett is a better player than Kobe Bryant. I just gave a few reasons.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

ether :lol

Ethered who? Kobe Bryant because Kevin Garnett is an infinitely better defensive player?

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Name any team with a shooting guard who is the dominant defensive anchor.

the :cry: :cry: not fair argument is always amusing.


on the other hand i bet you expect Garnett to take fade away buzzer beaters over three defenders while teammates are wide open before you honor him with comparison to lord mamba

Garnett is an infinitely better defensive player than Kobe Bryant and part of the reason he's better. DEAL WITH IT.

[L8k3r5]

The NBA forum has really gone down to this level of stupidity.:facepalm F*ck this shit, I'm going back to the OTC Forum...

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

The NBA forum has really gone down to this level of stupidity.:facepalm F*ck this shit, I'm going back to the OTC Forum...

True. You have guys like Iron Fist on here.

Height has it's advantages. Who knew? But it has to be ruled out because it just wouldn't be fair to Kobe Bryant.

:lol

Let's do magic so everybody is the same height and athleticism as Kobe Bryant to make it fair.

[LakersReign]

Lakers started winning titles in 1949.

(yawn):rolleyes:

It's so hilarious how they LOVE to spout their pathetic hater tripe of "slap ANYBODY on the Lakers with Shaq and they'll still win." But when asked to back it up, they CAN'T EVER prove it:roll:

[PistolPete44]

(yawn):rolleyes:

It's so hilarious how they LOVE to spout their pathetic hater tripe of "slap ANYBODY on the Lakers with Shaq and they'll still win." But when asked to back it up, they CAN'T EVER prove it:roll:
LakersReign :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

The truth stings like a b***h...doesn't it....dumbzuki?:lol

[PistolPete44]

The truth stings like a b***h...doesn't it....dumbzuki?:lol
The infamous lakersreign Extremely Mad here :lol

[LakersReign]

Boring:rolleyes:

[Dukem]

Boring:rolleyes:

What a well argued and constructive post, It is quite obvious that you put a lot of thought in to that post and I think that you should be applauded for it.
:applause:

In regards to the thread, Kobe is anywhere between 7-10 in the all time ranking. Winning 5 rings with two of them being the guy, along with two FMVP and an MVP, longevity, 7 finals appearances etc, should automatically make him a top 10. I have him 8th in truth.

[swag2011]

What a well argued and constructive post, It is quite obvious that you put a lot of thought in to that post and I think that you should be applauded for it.
:applause:

In regards to the thread, Kobe is anywhere between 7-10 in the all time ranking. Winning 5 rings with two of them being the guy, along with two FMVP and an MVP, longevity, 7 finals appearances etc, should automatically make him a top 10. I have him 8th in truth.

Can you name your top 10? Just curious.

I agree with you, b/c as a Kobe fan i have him in those same spots as well. but question, how come this "the man" thing only goes against Kobe? Kareem has 6 titles, only 2 FMVP, yet no one says that about him. Magic has 5 titles, 3 FMVP and no one says it about him. I can continue with Duncan, Shaq or Bird. But it seems like this agenda is only used against Kobe. Not saying you are using it but u get what i mean. It's not like Kobe wasn't HUGE during the 3 peat, as evidenced by the stats.

[Simple Jack]

Can you name your top 10? Just curious.

I agree with you, b/c as a Kobe fan i have him in those same spots as well. but question, how come this "the man" thing only goes against Kobe? Kareem has 6 titles, only 2 FMVP, yet no one says that about him. Magic has 5 titles, 3 FMVP and no one says it about him. I can continue with Duncan, Shaq or Bird. But it seems like this agenda is only used against Kobe. Not saying you are using it but u get what i mean. It's not like Kobe wasn't HUGE during the 3 peat, as evidenced by the stats.

The reason is, is because there was no debate as to who's team it was for those first 3 rings. Duncan was > Parker in 07 as well.

If Shaq was winning most of his rings in similar fashion to 06, he'd get the same shit.

The comparison you are trying to draw here doesn't work.

[Simple Jack]

(yawn):rolleyes:

It's so hilarious how they LOVE to spout their pathetic hater tripe of "slap ANYBODY on the Lakers with Shaq and they'll still win." But when asked to back it up, they CAN'T EVER prove it:roll:

How does one go about proving such a specific hypothetical?

[swag2011]

The reason is, is because there was no debate as to who's team it was for those first 3 rings. Duncan was > Parker in 07 as well.

If Shaq was winning most of his rings in similar fashion to 06, he'd get the same shit.

The comparison you are trying to draw here doesn't work.

Fair enough, but does that make his rings count any less like people try to make it? Did he not put up great numbers during the 3 peat? If i didn't know any better and listened to people on here who try to discredit him, i'd think he was merely a bench player.

[Simple Jack]

Depends. If a player, hypothetically, as a 2nd option, played much better than the 1st option with whom you are comparing him to, it shouldn't take much away, if anything at all (another issue would be the talent on the respective teams). At least that's how I choose to rationalize this issue.

[swag2011]

Depends. If a player, hypothetically, as a 2nd option, played much better than the 1st option with whom you are comparing him to, it shouldn't take much away, if anything at all (another issue would be the talent on the respective teams). At least that's how I choose to rationalize this issue.

I don't think it should count against him though because i strongly believe no one could've been better than a prime Shaq. Nobody would've won FMVP over him. No one could've ever been number 1 option over a prime Shaq. No smart coach would choose a guard as the main guy OVER a prime Shaq. Kobe still put up respectable numbers during that 3 peat.

But i get what you're saying though, i just don't like how people completely dismiss those 3 rings as if he did nothing.

[Lakers Legend#32]

10-15

[Jacks3]

indisputable top 10 player ever, and if his name wasn't Kobe, he'd be getting top 5 all-time talk.

[Dukem]

Can you name your top 10? Just curious.

I agree with you, b/c as a Kobe fan i have him in those same spots as well. but question, how come this "the man" thing only goes against Kobe? Kareem has 6 titles, only 2 FMVP, yet no one says that about him. Magic has 5 titles, 3 FMVP and no one says it about him. I can continue with Duncan, Shaq or Bird. But it seems like this agenda is only used against Kobe. Not saying you are using it but u get what i mean. It's not like Kobe wasn't HUGE during the 3 peat, as evidenced by the stats.

Actually when I typed that post, I forgot about Russell so Kobe is 9th BUT can climb as far 5th with another ring and FMVP. Top tens are usually flawed anyway because of the various positions but i'll give it a shot.

1) Michael Jordan
2) Kareem
3) Magic
4) Russell
5) Shaq
6) Wilt
7) Duncan
8) Bird
9) Kobe
10) Hakeem

I only consider 'the man' thing with other contexts. Kareem won 6 rings with maybe 3 of them being the man but I take into account that he's the record holder for most points scored, was versatile and had a 20 year career as well as other records and impressive stats as well. Kobe has the rings, being the man, finals appearances and being 'clutch'. What makes him not any higher is because the top 3 were just flat out the best 3 players ever at their position, the players ahead of him in the 4-7 positions were just better/more dominant than him (although Kobe in 2006 was just a machine). Although I believe that Kobe will overtake Bird anyway when he retires and may reach Duncans level, but it'll take a ring and a FMVP to be in the Wilt and Shaq region.

That's just my opinion though. I prefer ranking in terms on positions or Guards, Fowards, Centers personally.