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SacJB Shady

07-19-2012, 06:33 AM

:roll: at people who think that Lin is going to be some dominant force -- ever.

Unfair criticism. You should look at how hard he working. People need to realized that maybe Lin's success had to do with him actually improving in the gym, off the court, not actually getting lucky. When I look at Lin, I see a strong point guard with size, with speed, someone willing to take hits, and pore out his heart on the court. Look at where Nash was when he was Lin's age. You never know who is going to improve, get better, or stay just as good. Naysayers, doubters, and haters make me wanna puke. I guess it makes them feel better, to see someone fail.

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 06:42 AM

Unfair criticism. You should look at how hard he working. People need to realized that maybe Lin's success had to do with him actually improving in the gym, off the court, not actually getting lucky. When I look at Lin, I see a strong point guard with size, with speed, someone willing to take hits, and pore out his heart on the court. Look at where Nash was when he was Lin's age. You never know who is going to improve, get better, or stay just as good. Naysayers, doubters, and haters make me wanna puke. I guess it makes them feel better, to see someone fail.
Understand what I'm saying. I wish him all the best in working hard to improve his game. I'll never criticize a player for doing that.

The problem is with people thinking that he's far better than he actually is. There are reasons that he went undrafted, and got cut so many times.

There's a general perception, I think, among non-basketball people, that Lin is some dominant force, and a player that can be built around. He isn't.

Lin is a very nice complimentary piece, who, if played correctly can be a tremendous asset. No doubting that.

But asking him to lead a team is putting him in way above his head -- as will be shown next year in Houston.

BlitzForce

07-19-2012, 06:50 AM

Well Morey said in an interview this week, even now he is still being underrated...
I like to think Morey knows a thing or two about projecting players potential

ripthekik

07-19-2012, 06:56 AM

The problem is with people thinking that he's far better than he actually is. There are reasons that he went undrafted, and got cut so many times.

You don't think him being Asian has anything to do with that?
Look at all his achievements.. yet he still wasn't given chances.

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 07:00 AM

You don't think him being Asian has anything to do with that?
Look at all his achievements.. yet he still wasn't given chances.
Yes, I'm sure there was some establishment bias due to the fact that talent evaluators didn't take him seriously.

I think he proved that he belongs in the league, but there are still big gaps in his game that have yet to be publicly exposed.

Let's not start treating him like a first-round talent, because he isn't.

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 07:03 AM

Well Morey said in an interview this week, even now he is still being underrated...
I like to think Morey knows a thing or two about projecting players potential
Umm... he's the one who's responsible for Lin getting all that money, so he better provide some justifications.

If this experiment all goes south, and a semi-productive player is making $15 million a year, Morey is going to be out of a job.

BlitzForce

07-19-2012, 07:09 AM

8+ million a year across the 3 years for Houston

ripthekik

07-19-2012, 07:09 AM

:roll: at people who think that Lin is going to be some dominant force -- ever.

It's people like you that think this way who never gave him chances. I'm not saying he's already proven himself. But he did have some great 20-30 games? How many players can you say have done that?

After that run, you can say he still hasn't proved himself to be consistent enough, or that he can maintain that high level. That I can accept.

But to jump straight and say he will never be a dominant force? Who are you to judge his ceiling? If he plays like Linsanity last year, that's enough of a dominant force. He's already PROVEN he CAN play at that level.

Stop being such a hypocrite. Let's not overrate him.. oh but he's never going to amount to anything. :facepalm Well guess what.. he's already PROVEN he CAN. Now it's up to him to show the world whether he can keep it up at that level or not.

And don't bring up that shiit that he came out of nowhere and no one knew how to guard him. Oh.. so because he's a rookie he's basically left unguarded out there? After he put away 4,5 teams with 20+ points performance, they still left him out there in the open? And guarded who? Melo or Amare on the bench?

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 07:20 AM

Stop being such a hypocrite. Let's not overrate him.. oh but he's never going to amount to anything. :facepalm Well guess what.. he's already PROVEN he CAN. Now it's up to him to show the world whether he can keep it up at that level or not.

And don't bring up that shiit that he came out of nowhere and no one knew how to guard him. Oh.. so because he's a rookie he's basically left unguarded out there? After he put away 4,5 teams with 20+ points performance, they still left him out there in the open? And guarded who? Melo or Amare on the bench?
There's no hypocrisy. You're acting like an average player has never gotten ridiculously hot before. Tony Delk scored over 50 points in a game, Flip Murray has put together some incredible games.

Part of the reason that Linsanity happened was because of Lin's ability. No denying that. He's an NBA player.

However, much of it had to do with the fact that teams didn't really apply ball pressure or make him the focal point of the defense. That, you cannot deny.

Let's see what happens when he's the leader of a team, and everyone is gunning for him.

And I never said that he "wouldn't amount to anything". Stop lying. What I did say is that he would be a decent player, but not a dominant force.

ripthekik

07-19-2012, 07:27 AM

There's no hypocrisy. You're acting like an average player has never gotten ridiculously hot before. Tony Delk scored over 50 points in a game, Flip Murray has put together some incredible games.

Part of the reason that Linsanity happened was because of Lin's ability. No denying that. He's an NBA player.

However, much of it had to do with the fact that teams didn't really apply ball pressure or make him the focal point of the defense. That, you cannot deny.

Let's see what happens when he's the leader of a team, and everyone is gunning for him.

And I never said that he "wouldn't amount to anything". Stop lying. What I did say is that he would be a decent player, but not a dominant force.
Tony Delk = 1 Game. Flip Murray how many games?
Are they comparable to Lin? No.

Wait.. so if teams don't make you the focal point of the defense.. then your accomplishments are nothing? Who else did they have to guard on the Knicks? Both Amare and Melo were out in the first few games. The other team guarded EVERYONE. If Lin scored 20 points through the 1st 3 quarters.. you think they will just let him walk easily in the 4th? THIS IS THE NBA. IT IS STILL NBA DEFENSE. Celtics focused their defense on Wade in the Heat/Celtics series.. they doubled him. So Lebron is unproven because the focal point wasn't on him? Come on. Anytime you have a NBA player guarding you, and you can put up those numbers, not for 1 game, but for 20+, you're somebody.

You say he's decent, but you'd like to stick a ceiling on him. How's that not a hypocrite? Noone's expecting him to be like Lebron, Kobe, Iverson, Dwight. They just expect him to be like Linsanity last year, which was pretty damn good already. And he has already SHOWN he can do that. So why are you sticking a ceiling on him, before he has more chances to prove himself? All he have to do is MAINTAIN, he's not a new rookie coming out of HS and having to prove he can do it. He's ALREADY done it.

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 07:44 AM

They just expect him to be like Linsanity last year, which was pretty damn good already. And he has already SHOWN he can do that. So why are you sticking a ceiling on him, before he has more chances to prove himself? All he have to do is MAINTAIN, he's not a new rookie coming out of HS and having to prove he can do it. He's ALREADY done it.
Playing at a Linsanity level means that he would be putting up around 25/10. Those are pretty dominant numbers.

I think that very few people who know anything about basketball believe that Lin is capable of maintaining that level for an entire season.

So, if this means that I'm putting a "ceiling" over him by saying I don't think its going to happen again, then so be it.

My point about Delk and Murray is that average players can sometimes catch lightning in a bottle, and get ridiculously hot -- whether its for a game, or a series of games.

LA_Showtime

07-19-2012, 07:50 AM

At first I thought his squat form was horrible and then the camera zoomed out and I realized he was doing ONE LEGGED SQUATS. Linsanity!

ripthekik

07-19-2012, 07:50 AM

Playing at a Linsanity level means that he would be putting up around 25/10. Those are pretty dominant numbers.

I think that very few people who know anything about basketball believe that Lin is capable of maintaining that level for an entire season.

So, if this means that I'm putting a "ceiling" over him by saying I don't think its going to happen again, then so be it.

My point about Delk and Murray is that average players can sometimes catch lightning in a bottle, and get ridiculously hot -- whether its for a game, or a series of games.
Sure, players can get hot, that I agree.

Yes, it might be very tough for him to maintain that level through the entire season. But is it IMPOSSIBLE? Especially when he's already done it for 20-30 games. I don't understand why you're saying it is IMPOSSIBLE when he's ALREADY achieved that level. At least just give him some props and say, well it's a new situation and he most likely would not be able to maintain that level

but this?

:roll: at people who think that Lin is going to be some dominant force -- ever.
EVER? When he's already shown he can play at that level? That just proves you're like those who doubted him along the way.

After the 1st game = fluke
2nd game = no way, fluke
3rd game = come on, it's 3 games
10th game= they don't know him yet
20th game= can he do it for entire season?

Just give the man his props and move on. You can doubt him, but saying NEVER is just hating.

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 08:14 AM

But is it IMPOSSIBLE? Especially when he's already done it for 20-30 games.
No, he did not. You need to go and look at the Linsanity stats, because -- like most of his fanboys -- you're ridiculously inflating what he actually did.

At the start of Linsanity, his highest scoring games were: 25, 28, 23, 38, 27, 26, 28, 21. After that 21 point game, he never scored that high again.

So, that's the sample size -- essentially 8 very hot games from Feb. 4 to Feb. 20. That's it.

Now, I'm not going to say that is absolutely impossible for him to maintain that level for an entire seasons, but I consider the likelihood so small that it might as well be.

Face it, he caught fire for two weeks, and people were putting him on the same level as Carmelo -- who actually is capable of putting up numbers like that for an entire season.

AK47DR91

07-19-2012, 08:37 AM

:roll: at people who think that Lin is going to be some dominant force -- ever.Laugh my ass off, nobody even mention anything remotely close to that in the thread.

Why are you so butthurt about all of this?

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 08:45 AM

Laugh my ass off, nobody even mention anything remotely close to that in the thread.

Why are you so butthurt about all of this?
Who said it was in this thread? You've seen the posts saying that the Knicks should have gotten rid of Melo and built around Lin -- essentially putting them on the same level.

Its been intimated and hinted at in any number of ways. I just simply stated that its my belief that he will never be a dominant force.

I don't think its that difficult to understand.

AK47DR91

07-19-2012, 08:49 AM

Who said it was in this thread? You've seen the posts saying that the Knicks should have gotten rid of Melo and built around Lin -- essentially putting them on the same level.

Its been intimated and hinted at in any number of ways. I just simply stated that its my belief that he will never be a dominant force.

I don't think its that difficult to understand.
Did you even read some of the content behind those who picked to built around Lin instead of Melo? I guess not.

And there's been many players who franchises have built around but were all of them dominating players? Are you telling me Carmelo is a dominant force now because he'd be the easier choice to build around than Lin?

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 08:59 AM

Did you even read some of the content behind those who picked to built around Lin instead of Melo? I guess not.

And there's been many players who franchises have built around but were all of them dominating players? Are you telling me Carmelo is a dominant force now because he'd be the easier choice to build around than Lin?
:roll:

I'm not sure why I'm responding to this crap, but I'll amuse myself.

You do not "build around" a player who isn't foundational; someone who management feels will be able to be a dominant force in guiding the team for the foreseeable future.

Teams don't build around average, unproven players. Not smart teams, anyway. Perhaps all of the players that were built around weren't dominant statistically, but they at least have to be proven and tested.

Carmelo is a dominant scorer who can be counted on to consistently put up 20 - 25 points each and every night. He's been doing it now for close to a decade. Yes, you build a team around him -- which is why he's being paid as a franchise player.

AK47DR91

07-19-2012, 09:11 AM

:roll:

I'm not sure why I'm responding to this crap, but I'll amuse myself.

You do not "build around" a player who isn't foundational; someone who management feels will be able to be a dominant force in guiding the team for the foreseeable future.

Teams don't build around average, unproven players. Not smart teams, anyway. Perhaps all of the players that were built around weren't dominant statistically, but they at least have to be proven and tested.

Carmelo is a dominant scorer who can be counted on to consistently put up 20 - 25 points each and every night. He's been doing it now for close to a decade. Yes, you build a team around him -- which is why he's being paid as a franchise player.
Melo is foundational? I think not. How is Lin not foundational when he brought in multi-million TV deals overseas for the Knicks this past season. For Lin's basketball skills, we'll have to wait and see.

Yeah, teams NEVER build around average or unproven players, that's every year that are dozens and dozens of unproven players entering the league during the draft. Was Dwight Howard proven to be a player who you can built around in 2004? Was Kwame Brown a player you can build around in 2001? Neither players were. One worked out great, the other didn't. Teams take risks, they always have and will always continue to take that risk.

Being scoring threat doesn't equal a dominant force nor dominant player. Was Chris Mullin a dominant force when he was scoring 25PPG on 50+% from the floor? Was Glen Rice a dominant force in the late 90's? Well, that's basically what Melo is at the moment. Just another Gle Rice, Mitch Richmond who can't bring it in the playoffs.

Melo's 25PPG for $24 million a year is worth building around if he's only going to get knocked out of the 1st Round 9 out of 10 times. Even with Lin's questionable talent, some teams might rather take a chance with him for $25/3 years just for marketing value alone if that franchise is slumping financially.

niko

07-19-2012, 09:21 AM

My favorite part of his hard offseason was him blowing off the Olympic Select team and going to the ESPY's despite the Knicks asking him to go. And don't give me bitter Knick fan shit, i said at the time i wasn't happy. How do you blow that off?

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 09:23 AM

Melo is foundational? I think not. How is Lin not foundational when he brought in multi-million TV deals overseas for the Knicks this past season. For Lin's basketball skills, we'll have to wait and see.

Yeah, teams NEVER build around average or unproven players, that's every year that are dozens and dozens of unproven players entering the league during the draft. Was Dwight Howard proven to be a player who you can built around in 2004? Was Kwame Brown a player you can build around in 2001? Neither players were. One worked out great, the other didn't. Teams take risks, they always have and will always continue to take that risk.
:oldlol: TV deals have nothing to do with building a foundation on the court -- where its supposed to be built.

Melo has been a foundational player since his college days. Its the truth, and I don't really care to read an weak rebuttals based on personal dislike.

If you read my post, I said that SMART teams don't build around unproven players. Would the Lakers build around Jeremy Lin? Of course not.

Houston has made this move, now we'll see what comes of it. I suspect lots of buyers remorse down the road, and a GM out looking for a new job.

niko

07-19-2012, 09:28 AM

AK47DR91

07-19-2012, 09:29 AM

Rockets have been a much smarter and better franchise than the Knicks since the ABA-NBA merger(36 years ago).

Knicks fans shouldn't be calling other franchises stupid. I know I don't.

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 09:31 AM

Rockets have been a much smarter and better franchise than the Knicks since the ABA-NBA merger(36 years ago).
That has no relevance to the current situation. Morey has made moves that I consider to be unwise. We'll see how they turn out.

AK47DR91

07-19-2012, 09:35 AM

Godzuki

07-19-2012, 09:37 AM

I think it would take longer than a month to rehab a moderate knee injury. It wasn't a serious career-threatening injury but it wasn't a minor one either.

damn you're stupid :facepalm

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 09:38 AM

This is the thing with Lin. I think you can criticize the Knicks because they honestly, without sacrificing flexibility could have kept him. He was an asset, they could have moved him, and he does have potential. He showed it last year. That's why i wanted to keep him. Not because he was 100% going to be dominant.

For some reason, post Knick it reads from some people like he was a 100% sure thing. This board is really full of shit.
Completely agreed. Lin certainly has upside, but to call him a sure thing is way too much of a stretch.

As far as keeping Lin as an asset, I didn't really like it. There were already clear indications that his ego was being boosted by all of the attention and empowerment by the fans and media.

What would have happened if the most "popular" player on the team didn't like the number of minutes he was getting? Would it be leaked to the press that Lin "wasn't happy", to put pressure on Woody?

I could clearly see a Tebow-like situation being created, where fan pressure was exerting too much influence into basketball-related areas. Not a good development, and it would have caused even more of a circus.

That's just one of the reasons, along with the financial ones, I think it was best for all concerned that Lin left town.

niko

07-19-2012, 09:39 AM

I think it would take longer than a month to rehab a moderate knee injury. It wasn't a serious career-threatening injury but it wasn't a minor one either.
He's been able to play for quite a while. He was playing games with Melo and Chandler last month.

SCREWstonRockets

07-19-2012, 09:40 AM

AK47DR91

07-19-2012, 09:43 AM

He's been able to play for quite a while. He was playing games with Melo and Chandler last month.
That's still after two months of rehab.

niko

07-19-2012, 09:45 AM

Yea, because the Knicks told him to go find a deal instead of offering him a contract. :facepalm
He negotiated with Houston in Vegas where the select team was so try again. And the night of the first game he should have been playing at he was at the ESPY's. At the time, i said i didn't understand it and i still don't.

A young player like him invited to join the US Select Team where he would have a real chance of getting on the radar for (if he is what people say he is) an Olympic team spot. NOPE - no time. Got to yuk it up with Tebow on ESPN.

I wanted him to play against great players and get better. This topic is basically implying he will do anything and everything to improve. Well, not everything.

niko

07-19-2012, 09:45 AM

That's still after two months of rehab.
i don't want to argue, i don't get your point. He was playing games weeks ago but he's not able to play now because he's too hurt. I honestly don't get what you mean.

Godzuki

07-19-2012, 09:49 AM

That's still after two months of rehab.

what a dumbass :facepalm

SCREWstonRockets

07-19-2012, 10:09 AM

He negotiated with Houston in Vegas where the select team was so try again. And the night of the first game he should have been playing at he was at the ESPY's. At the time, i said i didn't understand it and i still don't.

A young player like him invited to join the US Select Team where he would have a real chance of getting on the radar for (if he is what people say he is) an Olympic team spot. NOPE - no time. Got to yuk it up with Tebow on ESPN.

I wanted him to play against great players and get better. This topic is basically implying he will do anything and everything to improve. Well, not everything.
Actually, they first met before Vegas to discuss that original offer. So he wasn't able to practice with the Select Team. Just curious, how many restricted free agents were on that team?

niko

07-19-2012, 10:19 AM

Actually, they first met before Vegas to discuss that original offer. So he wasn't able to practice with the Select Team. Just curious, how many restricted free agents were on that team?

Isn't this thread about the extremely dedicated do anything training of Jeremy Lin?

ripthekik

07-19-2012, 10:26 AM

On what you said about his numbers, you ever find the coincidence of how it dropped after Melo returned?

Who said it was in this thread? You've seen the posts saying that the Knicks should have gotten rid of Melo and built around Lin -- essentially putting them on the same level.

Its been intimated and hinted at in any number of ways. I just simply stated that its my belief that he will never be a dominant force.

People would choose Lin, as I did, because Melo is proven to gone nowhere. What's the point of building around him? He's had 9 years to prove himself already, and he's failed year after year. Even now, as a Knick fan, I doubt you guys believe, even in your dreams, that he would lead you somewhere.

By taking Lin, you can get another superstar to play beside him because he's not max money like Melo. You build around him, as in let him run the system like he did during linsanity. There is more chance of the team succeeding this way, than having Melo blackhole and chuck the ball all day long.

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 10:32 AM

People would choose Lin, as I did, because Melo is proven to gone nowhere. What's the point of building around him? He's had 9 years to prove himself already, and he's failed year after year. Even now, as a Knick fan, I doubt you guys believe, even in your dreams, that he would lead you somewhere.

By taking Lin, you can get another superstar to play beside him because he's not max money like Melo. You build around him, as in let him run the system like he did during linsanity. There is more chance of the team succeeding this way, than having Melo blackhole and chuck the ball all day long.
:facepalm

If you were a GM, you'd be out of work.

So, Melo was responsible for stopping Linsanity? The excuses never stop coming. It'll be really interesting to see whose fault it is in Houston.

ripthekik

07-19-2012, 10:38 AM

:facepalm

If you were a GM, you'd be out of work.

So, Melo was responsible for stopping Linsanity? The excuses never stop coming. It'll be really interesting to see whose fault it is in Houston.
Wow.. are you actually a Knicks fan? did you watch their games? At first they tried to work it out.. total failure. Then Melo started asking for the ball, running isolations. Lin stopped running the team like he did.. he just tossed the ball to melo and let him iso. That's why his numbers dropped. You're going to deny Melo had nothing to do with his numbers dropping?

I'd be out of work? Sure. Enjoy your team with Melo jacking it away then.
Remember, with Lin, if I can pair up another star that fits with him, and good role players, they'll probably be better off than that Melo team.

niko

07-19-2012, 10:43 AM

Wow.. are you actually a Knicks fan? did you watch their games? At first they tried to work it out.. total failure. Then Melo started asking for the ball, running isolations. Lin stopped running the team like he did.. he just tossed the ball to melo and let him iso. That's why his numbers dropped. You're going to deny Melo had nothing to do with his numbers dropping?

I'd be out of work? Sure. Enjoy your team with Melo jacking it away then.
Remember, with Lin, if I can pair up another star that fits with him, and good role players, they'll probably be better off than that Melo team.

Lin couldn't play that way always. He was going to need to be able to get the other players involved. You can blame Melo for not adjusting enough but Lin also had to learn (and he didn't really have time) to get the ball to his scorers. Linsanity was fun but the way we were playing, the two times teams keyed on him and him only (Miami and second NJ game) they crapped all over him. He was going to have to learn to play a bit more traditionally. When the whole team was out and he was asked to be part of every play for 40 minutes, that couldn't continue forever.

That was the story of the season if the Knicks kept Lin, could he be a more traditional PG? Because we were going to be a defensive oriented team. Not D'Antoni ball.

Linsanity was fun, and you can easily argue all sides of what happened, but him playing 40 mpg and dominating every possession wasn't a sustainable thing (his knee went BOOM from all the minutes).

shoops

07-19-2012, 10:58 AM

As far as keeping Lin as an asset, I didn't really like it. There were already clear indications that his ego was being boosted by all of the attention and empowerment by the fans and media.

That's pretty debatable, I can't say I feel you on what you say is the "clear indications" part. Much of the supposedly egotistical stuff was reported by the media, you didn't actually hear him say those things in interviews and such so who knows. Even so, lots of players have egos, and egos don't really prevent players from being assets. Melo has a big ego, JR does, etc.

Lin couldn't play that way always. He was going to need to be able to get the other players involved. You can blame Melo for not adjusting enough but Lin also had to learn (and he didn't really have time) to get the ball to his scorers. Linsanity was fun but the way we were playing, the two times teams keyed on him and him only (Miami and second NJ game) they crapped all over him. He was going to have to learn to play a bit more traditionally. When the whole team was out and he was asked to be part of every play for 40 minutes, that couldn't continue forever. This is true in ways. Melo coming back definitely affected his stats with the offense being less focused around Lin, but yes they were bound to have to adjust after he came back. It didn't work so well though, but I'd say that's on Woodson and his lack of offensive schemes, though.

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 12:05 PM

Wow.. are you actually a Knicks fan? did you watch their games? At first they tried to work it out.. total failure. Then Melo started asking for the ball, running isolations. Lin stopped running the team like he did.. he just tossed the ball to melo and let him iso. That's why his numbers dropped. You're going to deny Melo had nothing to do with his numbers dropping?

I'd be out of work? Sure. Enjoy your team with Melo jacking it away then.
Remember, with Lin, if I can pair up another star that fits with him, and good role players, they'll probably be better off than that Melo team.
I do watch all the games, but unlike you I actually understand what's happening and can diagnose it.

You're just a little fanboy who looks at a situation only on the surface, without any capacity to dig deeper to get to the true meaning.

Of course, the team featured Melo when he returned as the focal point of the offense, As I keep mentioning, he is a proven elite scorer. Lin is not.

Linsanity would not have continued, even had Melo not returned. I'll tell you why:

- Once teams figured out that Lin could actually hurt them, they started to ramp up the defense on him.

- Unsurprisingly, not only did his scoring totals start to drop, but so did his shooting percentage -- very sharply. But of course, that's Melo's fault for jedi-mind tricking Lin into missing shots. :rolleyes:

- During the height of Linsanity, Lin's shooting percentage was well above 50%. As teams started to key in on him, by the end of February, it had dropped to 47.2%.

- For the games played in March, it got even worse -- to just above 40%.

This is likely what's going to happen to Lin in Houston. If they let him, he'll run around and jack up lots of shots, but for a poor percentages. He isn't talented enough to face the defense put on a primary scorer, and still hit over 50%.

So, he may generate ok numbers, but the team will likely not prosper that much from them.

Remember all the grief Iverson has taken on ISH for shooting a low percentage? I think we can all agree that AI is quantum leaps ahead of Lin as an athlete and as a player.

ripthekik

07-19-2012, 12:13 PM

Of course, the team featured Melo when he returned as the focal point of the offense, As I keep mentioning, he is a proven elite scorer. Lin is not.

Yes. But also, for that season so far, Lin was the proven winner, Melo was the proven loser. So once he comes back.. you go back to the losing ways? Very smart.

Linsanity would not have continued, even had Melo not returned. I'll tell you why:

- Once teams figured out that Lin could actually hurt them, they started to ramp up the defense on him.

- Unsurprisingly, not only did his scoring totals start to drop, but so did his shooting percentage -- very sharply. But of course, that's Melo's fault for jedi-mind tricking Lin into missing shots. :rolleyes:

- During the height of Linsanity, Lin's shooting percentage was well above 50%. As teams started to key in on him, by the end of February, it had dropped to 47.2%.

- For the games played in March, it got even worse -- to just above 40%.

So for 10 games they just let Lin run all over them? Like who is this kid? I'm just going to let him dribble by me? No defense was played on him at all? Only 4 people played defense?

His stats dropped because:
-Melo took more shots. This can be easily proven by the stats.
-Melo's usage of the ball increased. He held the ball longer than Lin did now.
-Lin played a HUGE amount of minutes. Funny you a knicks fan and you didn't mention this. Forgot how D'antoni was riding him every single game? He was not in such great form yet, yet he was made to play 35+ minutes. Of course his stats dropped. And eventually he got injured from the long minutes too.

You really understand everything? :rolleyes:

Shepseskaf

07-19-2012, 12:36 PM

Yes. But also, for that season so far, Lin was the proven winner, Melo was the proven loser. So once he comes back.. you go back to the losing ways? Very smart.
:facepalm

You're a waste of my time. Lin is a "proven winner" for games played over a period of two weeks? :roll:

Anything that's "proven" extends, and is tested, for a lot longer than that.

I suppose the possibility that the team couldn't continue to win that way, once teams changed their defenses, never entered your feeble brain.

So for 10 games they just let Lin run all over them? Like who is this kid? I'm just going to let him dribble by me? No defense was played on him at all? Only 4 people played defense?

His stats dropped because:
-Melo took more shots. This can be easily proven by the stats.
-Melo's usage of the ball increased. He held the ball longer than Lin did now.
-Lin played a HUGE amount of minutes. Funny you a knicks fan and you didn't mention this. Forgot how D'antoni was riding him every single game? He was not in such great form yet, yet he was made to play 35+ minutes. Of course his stats dropped. And eventually he got injured from the long minutes too.

You really understand everything? :rolleyes:
This is probably my last post on this, because as I noted earlier, you're wasting my time. You're not looking at the numbers, and just posting crap based on your perception of reality -- not the reality itself.

I thought this was obvious, but no matter how many shots you take, its your responsibility to hit those shots. So, even if Lin was shooting less due to the return of the team's primary scorer, Melo had absolutely nothing to do with Lin's shooting percentage dropping like a dead bird.

During Linsanity, Lin took between 17 - 24 shots per game. After Melo's return, Lin was still getting around 13 - 17 shots, most nights. Had his % remained high, his scoring average wouldn't have suffered all that much.

But, of course, he got tired, so that accounts for the drop. Or maybe he was piping too much, with all the little cuties getting at him. Or maybe the radiation from the Sun changed levels, causing his shots to miss. :rolleyes:

The excuses just keep coming. I can't deal with idiocies from you any longer. Let's see what happens in Houston.