Nash, Kobe, Dwight, Gasol....

[Foster5k]

:oldlol:

I better not ever hear anyway say Miami or OKC is stacked or any team in NBA history. This team right here is the most stacked team ever.

This team is going to slaughter the NBA. Hell, last year's Lakers could of won the title.

2013 Lakers are over kill. They're going to make Miami's big 3 look like the small 3.

Guaranteed titles for next two years. Easy!

All Miami got is an old Ray Allen. Meanwhile, Lakers got Nash(elite pg) and a the big of bigs Dwight. Kobe vs Wade = Kobe.. Only advantage Miami have is Lebron. Everything else is LA.

Easy title locks for 2 years. Hell, they might 3peat.

[Vienceslav]

Official championship cruise thread?
That worked out great last time.:roll:

[Hank]

Bosh >> Gasol
Wade >> Kobe (if Wade is healthy he's >>>> over the crapfest Kobe of today)
Lebron >> Dwight
Chalmers/Cole < Nash

Heat bench >>>> Lakers bench
Heat athleticism >>>> Lakers athleticism
Heat 3-point shooting >>>> Lakers 3-point shooting (Heat have 6 guys who can nail 3's)
Heat Defense >> Lakers defense

Lebron and Wade have many career high type games against Dwight in their careers for a reason. Dwight is in our division and we get him into foul trouble easily.. Wade used to take bets on the bench if we'd get 3 fouls on Howard by the 2nd quarter.

lol

[alenleomessi]

So Dwight to Lakers is official now?

[Hank]

with that said LA won't even get out the west. OKC is still too much for them

[Bigsmoke]

:oldlol:

I better not ever hear anyway say Miami or OKC is stacked or any team in NBA history. This team right here is the most stacked team ever.

This team is going to slaughter the NBA. Hell, last year's Lakers could of won the title.

2013 Lakers are over kill. They're going to make Miami's big 3 look like the small 3.

Guaranteed titles for next two years. Easy!

All Miami got is an old Ray Allen. Meanwhile, Lakers got Nash(elite pg) and a the big of bigs Dwight. Kobe vs Wade = Kobe.. Only advantage Miami have is Lebron. Everything else is LA.

Easy title locks for 2 years. Hell, they might 3peat.

83 Sixers would kick that teams ass

[Foster5k]

Bosh >> Gasol
Wade >> Kobe (if Wade is healthy he's >>>> over the crapfest Kobe of today)
Lebron >> Dwight
Chalmers/Cole < Nash

Heat bench >>>> Lakers bench
Heat athleticism >>>> Lakers athleticism
Heat 3-point shooting >>>> Lakers 3-point shooting (Heat have 6 guys who can nail 3's)
Heat Defense >> Lakers defense

Lebron and Wade have many career high type games against Dwight in their careers for a reason. Dwight is in our division and we get him into foul trouble easily.. Wade used to take bets on the bench if we'd get 3 fouls on Howard by the 2nd quarter.

lol
:biggums:

Of course a heat fan has everything going in Miami's favor. :oldlol:

Stop being delussional. Miami has no answer for LA's bigs. They got away with that small line up crap versus OKC. Not versus LA. Dwight + Gasol are going to have a field day vs the Heat. Meanwhile, Kobe and Nash are going to light you guys up. 2013 Lakers are by far better than the Heat.

Heat lost to the 2011 Mavericks. :lol A team this new LA team would destroy.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Nash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chalmers
Kobe = Wade
MWP > Battier
Gasol <<<<<<<<< LeBron
Dwight >>>>> Bosh

Lakers Bench >>> Heat Bench

The Heat went with a small starting line-up last year, putting LeBron at PF with most bigs guarding Battier on the defensive end. Both teams have mismatches.

[OmniStrife]

We Da Bestest??


:facepalm

[Mr. Incredible]

Going to be epic when the Heat beat the Lakers and LeBron holds that 2nd FMVP trophy:bowdown:

[Bigsmoke]

:biggums:

Of course a heat fan has everything going in Miami's favor. :oldlol:

Stop being delussional. Miami has no answer for LA's bigs. They got away with that small line up crap versus OKC. Not versus LA. Dwight + Gasol are going to have a field day vs the Heat. Meanwhile, Kobe and Nash are going to light you guys up. 2013 Lakers are by far better than the Heat.

Heat lost to the 2011 Mavericks. :lol A team this new LA team would destroy.

oh shit


Ray Allen was on the Heat in 2011?:eek:

[AK47DR91]

How many great catch and shoot players do the Lakers have? If they have enough for Nash to dish after his attacks the paint, it's all over for the Heat.

Miami really doesn't have any lowpost defensive presence.

[pegasus]

Gasol is a shell of himself anymore, and there's no guarantee that Kobe and Nash will play like they did last year, as they're getting one year older. Nobody knows about Dwight's back either.

Miami, on the other hand, is still full of superstars in their primes surronded by very good role players, and now they've added the best shooter in the league.

OKC may end up surpassing them in talent, because Durant and WB have improved every season, but I'd still pick Miami+refs over any team in the league.

[Nero Tulip]

OKC ans SA are still better, sorry. Might make the 2nd round or the conference finals if you're lucky.

[SyRyanYang]

Gasol is a shell of himself anymore, and there's no guarantee that Kobe and Nash will play like they did last year, as they're getting one year older. Nobody knows about Dwight's back either.

Miami, on the other hand, is still full of superstars in their primes surronded by very good role players, and now they've added the best shooter in the league.

OKC may end up surpassing them in talent, because Durant and WB have improved every season, but I'd still pick Miami+refs over any team in the league.
pretty much this:applause:
lol @ people overacting

[stylesp]

Lol @ Hank comparing LeBron with Dwight. Probably one of the biggest Heat homers there are on this forum next to what's his face with the George Bush avatar.

[Story Up]

James
Howard
Bryant
Wade
Gasol
Nash
Bosh

Gasol/Howard will have career years with Nash, just watch people.

[PejaNowitzki]

Bosh >> Gasol
Wade >> Kobe (if Wade is healthy he's >>>> over the crapfest Kobe of today)
Lebron >> Dwight
Chalmers/Cole < Nash

Heat bench >>>> Lakers bench
Heat athleticism >>>> Lakers athleticism
Heat 3-point shooting >>>> Lakers 3-point shooting (Heat have 6 guys who can nail 3's)
Heat Defense >> Lakers defense

Lebron and Wade have many career high type games against Dwight in their careers for a reason. Dwight is in our division and we get him into foul trouble easily.. Wade used to take bets on the bench if we'd get 3 fouls on Howard by the 2nd quarter.

lol




You're crazier than a shithouse rat if you think the above is true.


Howard is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Miami's non-existing center.

Gasol and Bosh are basically a wash at this point, both have ******'s and can disappear at crucial moments.

Kobe was and still is better than Wade, if both are healthy, Kobe comes out on top easily.


LeBron >>>>>>>> MWP.


Nash >>>>>> The scrub PG's that Miami has....... his passing ability and running the pick and roll with Gasol and Dwight will be lethal.


I'm not even a damn Lakers fan and I know you sound dumb.

[amfirst]

Heats are still the champs. OP is a Lakers hater. Overeacting because he is scared.

[miles berg]

Miami's Big 4 of LeBron, Refs, Wade, & Bosh is still better.

[guy]

Kobe never has enough help. If they win, it will be because he carried them. Same thing as all of his championships.

:roll:

[Mr Exlax]

I'm not anti Lakers, but I am pro Lebron. I'm more pro Dwight than anything else. Not being biased, the Lakers are going to slaughter everybody next season. They are about to get Antwan Jamison and he'll be coming off the bench. That's automatic offense. Dwight Howard is going to beast. Gasol is going to beast. Miami has absolutely nothing to stop those two guys. NOTHING.

[guy]

Kobe is literally the luckiest player ever as far as what kind of talent one team has given him to play with. And to think he was once asking for a trade :oldlol:

[Phantom_Blue]

I hope Dwight goes to LA. This will be good for basketball, 4 superstar teams that everyone in the NBA will gun for: Clips, Lakers, Heat, Nets.

Personally I want a Nugz/Lakers rematch with the Nugz winning in 7 and collectively closing the championship windows of Nash, Kobe & Gasol. F*** superstar teams.

[BlueandGold]

I hope Dwight goes to LA. This will be good for basketball, 4 superstar teams that everyone in the NBA will gun for: Clips, Lakers, Heat, Nets.

Personally I want a Nugz/Lakers rematch with the Nugz winning in 7 and collectively closing the championship windows of Nash, Kobe & Gasol. F*** superstar teams.

How the hell do people consider these teams "superteams"?

[swi7ch]

super teams make the nba more fun to watch

[Phantom_Blue]

How the hell do people consider these teams "superteams"?

Yeah maybe not those two so much. The Nets tried though, so f*** em, and I just like going against the flop city :lol

[Nash]

As long as Lebron is still a part of a super team, his team will always be better.

[krazymofo]

You're crazier than a shithouse rat if you think the above is true.


Howard is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Miami's non-existing center.

Gasol and Bosh are basically a wash at this point, both have ******'s and can disappear at crucial moments.

Kobe was and still is better than Wade, if both are healthy, Kobe comes out on top easily.


LeBron >>>>>>>> MWP.


Nash >>>>>> The scrub PG's that Miami has....... his passing ability and running the pick and roll with Gasol and Dwight will be lethal.


I'm not even a damn Lakers fan and I know you sound dumb.


:roll: this. Why lakers fans acting like howard signed with LA already.

[Apogee]

:roll: this. Why lakers fans acting like howard signed with LA already.

Well according to multiple sauces hes ready to commit to LA. Here we go

[2010splash]

The people saying Wade > Kobe are on crack. What did Wade do this year besides ride LeBron's coattails to a ring while putting up 2-13 first halves all throughout the playoffs? Kobe averaged 30/5/4 in the playoffs. Kobe is still better than Wade.

Nash owns Chalmers
Kobe better than Wade
LeBron definitely better than Lakers scrub SF
Gasol and Bosh is a wash
Dwight definitely owns scrubby Heat centers

or look at it like

Kobe slightly better than Wade
Dwight almost equal to LeBron
Nash/Gasol trumps Bosh

[Hank]

lol Kobe is total trash now he's just a chucker with poor efficiency and brings absolutely nothing else to the table. If someone is going to chuck, Ray Allen would scare me A LOT more at his age playing SG for the Lakers than Kobe the stringbean Bryant.

Kobe doesn't strike any fear whatsoever, in fact he makes me laugh with how he screws up his teams chemistry because of his stupidity. Ray Allen scared me ALOT more standing back there taking a shot than the stringbean Bryant

lol watching team USA and witnessing Kobe getting blown by like a pylon repeatedly over and over and over again. He's a total non factor and actually hurts the team in ways. He's total trash with no lateral ability anymore. Just total trash

all he does is lead the league in field goal attempts every year to pump up his numbers with poor efficiency to boot. lol at the total idiots who overrate this guy. Wade will be healthy as he will be rested in the regular season with Ray Ray taking some minutes. Wade will destroy and expose Kobe in a finals series as Wade has done to him over the past 6+ years

and lebron-led teams are something like 13-2 vs kobe-led teams ( DESPITE Kobe having a better supporting cast most of the time), and for good reason. Kobe the stringbean is trash

[krazymofo]

Hank is on a roll with his Kobe bashing.

[BGriffin's Dad]

Nash >> Chalmers
Kobe > Wade
MWP <<<<< LeBron
Gasol < Bosh
Dwight >>>> Anthony/Turiaf
LA's bench <<<< Miami's bench (Ray, Battier, Rashard)
Brown <<< Spoelstra

Dwight improves the Lakers but doesnt make them better than the Heat, unless they can trade Gasol for some bench pieces

[BGriffin's Dad]

Lakers Bench >>> Heat Bench

:oldlol: @ this

Ray Allen
Shane Battier
Rashard Lewis
Udonis Haslem
Mike Miller
Juwan Howard
Ronny Turiaf
Norris Cole
James Jones

vs.

Antawn Jamison?
Steve Blake
Josh McRoberts
Devin Ebanks (assuming he's not in the Howard trade)
Andrew Goudelock
Christian Eyenga
Robert Sacre
Darius Morris

[Hank]

Heat have one of the best benches in the league


laker bench on the other hand is total trash

[chazzy]

Heat have one of the best benches in the league


laker bench on the other hand is total trash
Heat stans have flipped their stance on the importance of benches it seems

[Hank]

anyone get a good look at the improvement in Norris Cole's game a couple days ago vs the LA Fakers summer league team when Cole dominated the Heat to a 106-56 victory over LA ?


lol

[Heavincent]

anyone get a good look at the improvement in Norris Cole's game vs the LA Fakers summer league team when Cole dominated the Heat to a 102-56 victory over LA ?


lol

Summer league is definitely good for determining how good a player/team will be.

[RRR3]

anyone get a good look at the improvement in Norris Cole's game vs the LA Fakers summer league team when Cole dominated the Heat to a 102-56 victory over LA ?


lol
Norris cole is garbage

[AirTupac]

Wade has been done for a while. Dude can't shoot, defend, move, walk, blink. He's that bad and old.

[MAC system]

Summer league is definitely good for determining how good a player/team will be.
you're a nets fan but no one ever sees you comment on nets threads. only lakers :coleman:

you ****ing liar

[Heavincent]

you're a nets fan but no one ever sees you comment on nets threads. only lakers :coleman:

you ****ing liar

If you have never seen me comment on the Nets, then how did you know I'm a Nets fan?

[tpols]

Wont be fair. This team is going to murder the league. Best backcourt and frontcourt in the entire league on one team.

[KingBeasley08]

Such a nice roster on paper, if legawd beats em, he'll be top 5 all time

[KOBEtherealKing]

Nash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chalmers
Kobe = Wade
MWP > Battier
Gasol <<<<<<<<< LeBron
Dwight >>>>> Bosh

Lakers Bench >>> Heat Bench

The Heat went with a small starting line-up last year, putting LeBron at PF with most bigs guarding Battier on the defensive end. Both teams have mismatches.

kobe = wade? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :coleman: :biggums:

if lakers get dwight

nash >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chalmers
kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wade
mwp <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< lebron
gasol = bosh
Dwight >>>>>>>>> idk

lakers bench <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< heat bench id admit that

gasol >>>> ibaka
dwight >>>> perkins

ibaka was barely making his shots. and well ppl know about perkins he shouldnt even shoot. okc had no post up players. lakers do. if heat go small, I think it would be tougher, the only advantage of heat going small would be getting the bigs into foul trouble.

[Heavincent]

kobe = wade? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :coleman: :biggums:
kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wade


:applause:

[Hank]

lol at the stupid Faker fans thinking they can match with the Heat when the Fakers won't even get that far..

You can't beat OKC in a 7 game series when you're a slow plodding nonathletic team, and also have a weak A$$ bench, and to top it off suck from 3-point land. And to top it off you have NOBODY who can drive quickly to the rim from outside. These are all vital elements needed to beat OKC in a 7-game series.

Moreover, The LA Fakers have NOBODY to guard Durant Westbrook and Harden

OKC will kick your slow nonathletic crap shooting team in 5 or 6.

[stylesp]

anyone get a good look at the improvement in Norris Cole's game a couple days ago vs the LA Fakers summer league team when Cole dominated the Heat to a 106-56 victory over LA ?


lol

Strong retard.

[chazzy]

Hank in full panic mode, copy and pasting posts

[KingBeasley08]

Okc could beat em un 4

[MAC system]

If you have never seen me comment on the Nets, then how did you know I'm a Nets fan?
ive seen you say you're a nets fan, never in nets threads.

you're laker fan, just admit it **********

[Heavincent]

ive seen you say you're a nets fan, never in nets threads.

you're laker fan, just admit it **********

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271205

[MAC system]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271205
one thread....:biggums:

lets compare laker/kobe threads you're in to nets threads you're in. guarantee you can't find one game thread of the nets you were in last year....hundreds are in laker game threads though.

its okay if you're a laker fan, just admit it.

[General]

Laker/Kobe haters in panic mode. Especially the Lebron jockers, you can see the fear in their posts. Their worst fear is Kobe beating Lebron in the Finals:oldlol:

[livingby3's]

if u bring back the Lakers team 4 or 5 years, they will be overkilling the league. not much to be argued. right now there are just too much unpredictables on this roster, even with Dwight.

[KingBeasley08]

Laker/Kobe haters in panic mode. Especially the Lebron jockers, you can see the fear in their posts. Their worst fear is Kobe beating Lebron in the Finals:oldlol:
Eh just phags like op are worried. Most of us are more scared of okc

[Heavincent]

one thread....:biggums:

lets compare laker/kobe threads you're in to nets threads you're in. guarantee you can't find one game thread of the nets you were in last year....hundreds are in laker game threads though.

its okay if you're a laker fan, just admit it.

Been a Nets fan for over 10 years buddy. Went to a Nets vs Knicks game in 07, have a Nets jersey collection, and probably watched about 80% of Nets games between 2000 and 2008. I switched to Comcast around 2009, so I didn't have league pass anymore, thus I couldn't watch as many Nets games. But I am a Nets fan. Believe it or don't believe it. I don't really care.

[All Net]

Who's saying it wouldn't be stacked?

[NumberSix]

No shot in hell that OKC beats a starting line up of Nash, Kobe, Pau & Dwight. Lakers in 6, at most.

[Ne 1]

Kobe never has enough help. If they win, it will be because he carried them. Same thing as all of his championships.

:roll:

Oh really? But according to Kobe detractors he was just another Robert Horry/Derek Fisher on the Lakers first 3-peat squad and could have eaisly been replaced by any other star swing man in the league back then and the only reason he won two more rings was because the Lakers front court was like the Berlin wall.

[MAC system]

Been a Nets fan for over 10 years buddy. Went to a Nets vs Knicks game in 07, have a Nets jersey collection, and probably watched about 80% of Nets games between 2000 and 2008. I switched to Comcast around 2009, so I didn't have league pass anymore, thus I couldn't watch as many Nets games. But I am a Nets fan. Believe it or don't believe it. I don't really care.
Yet no posts in nets game threads:biggums:

Hundreds in lakers though.

[NumberSix]

Oh really? But according to Kobe detractors he was just another Robert Horry/Derek Fisher on the Lakers first 3-peat squad and could have eaisly been replaced by any other star swing man in the league back then and the only reason he won two more rings was because the Lakers front court was like the Berlin wall.
The 1st championship, yeah. The next 2 he was clearly one of the most crucial players, only 2nd to Shaq.

[White Mamba]

The 1st championship, yeah. The next 2 he was clearly one of the most crucial players, only 2nd to Shaq.

first championship - game 7 vs blazers game 4 vs pacers - kobe was crucial too.

[NumberSix]

first championship - game 7 vs blazers game 4 vs pacers - kobe was crucial too.
Yeah, and Shane Battier was crucial in a game or 2 for Miami. Doesn't make him one of the best players on the team.

Just accept it. Kobe wasn't that important for the 1st championship. He was absolutely crucial for the next 2.

Reality is reality.

[DFish]

Yeah, and Shane Battier was crucial in a game or 2 for Miami. Doesn't make him one of the best players on the team.

Just accept it. Kobe wasn't that important for the 1st championship. He was absolutely crucial for the next 2.

Reality is reality.

Did Battier average 22.5/6.3/4.9/1.6 for the season or 21.1/4.5/4.4 for the playoffs?

Kobe was crucial for all three title runs. And the only player on that 2000 team better than Kobe was Shaq. Not ****ing Horry or Fisher. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Did Battier average 22.5/6.3/4.9/1.6 for the season or 21.1/4.5/4.4 for the playoffs?

Kobe was crucial for all three title runs. And the only player on that 2000 team better than Kobe was Shaq. Not ****ing Horry or Fisher. :oldlol:
Kobe's 2000 finals was mediocre at best.

He had an 8 point game in the finals, just like LeBron got trashed for last year. Even worse, he got that 8 points on 20 shots. In the closeout game 6, he shot 8/27. He pretty much had a James Harden like finals, only the Lakers won.

The dude had a pretty bad finals. It is what it is. It's ok to admit that his 2000 finals was bad, but the next 2 he was a crucial player only 2nd to Shaq.

[eliteballer]

The Heat are a bunch of dudes in the prime of their careers while the Lakers stars are in their mid to late 30's outside of Dwight.

[eliteballer]

Kobe's 2000 finals was mediocre at best.

He had an 8 point game in the finals, just like LeBron got trashed for last year. Even worse, he got that 8 points on 20 shots. In the closeout game 6, he shot 8/27. He pretty much had a James Harden like finals, only the Lakers won.

The dude had a pretty bad finals. It is what it is. It's ok to admit that his 2000 finals was bad, but the next 2 he was a crucial player only 2nd to Shaq.

Kobe got injured during the 2000 Finals(ankle) and still won a game for us singlehandidly

[NumberSix]

Kobe got injured during the 2000 Finals(ankle) and still won a game for us singlehandidly
:confusedshrug:

What game was that? The game 4 where he scored 28? Oh, you mean the same game where Shaq had 36 and 21 on 52%?

[kennethgriffin]

Bosh >> Gasol
Wade >> Kobe (if Wade is healthy he's >>>> over the crapfest Kobe of today)
Lebron >> Dwight
Chalmers/Cole < Nash

Heat bench >>>> Lakers bench
Heat athleticism >>>> Lakers athleticism
Heat 3-point shooting >>>> Lakers 3-point shooting (Heat have 6 guys who can nail 3's)
Heat Defense >> Lakers defense

Lebron and Wade have many career high type games against Dwight in their careers for a reason. Dwight is in our division and we get him into foul trouble easily.. Wade used to take bets on the bench if we'd get 3 fouls on Howard by the 2nd quarter.

lol


even when wade is healthy hes a 2nd team all nba backup

hes never been better than kobe



its more like this

Nash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cole/chalmers
Kobe > Wade
Artest <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Lebron
Pau = Bosh
Howard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any center the heat can put out there






6th man jamison >>> ray ( had a way better year than ray or rashard )


and a PG/Wing/Center combo >>>>>>>>>> a wing/wing/forward combo



and a big 4 > a big 3

[kennethgriffin]

:confusedshrug:

What game was that? The game 4 where he scored 28? Oh, you mean the same game where Shaq had 36 and 21 on 52%?

winning the game when its on the line and not decided yet = winning the game

shaq played well until he fouled out...

[NumberSix]

winning the game when its on the line and not decided yet = winning the game

shaq played well until he fouled out...
"Winning the game", sure, that's reasonable. Winning it "singlehandedly"? That's just fuqing stupid.

Why can't certain people just accept that Kobe had a mediocre 2000 finals? It's just a fact. Even MOST Kobetards freely admit it. It's undeniable. Everybody knows it.

[eliteballer]

:confusedshrug:

What game was that? The game 4 where he scored 28? Oh, you mean the same game where Shaq had 36 and 21 on 52%?

The game where shaq fouled out and Kobe won the game in OT. Kobe had to sit out a game with how sever the injury was. i'm beginning to think you just recently started watching ball.

[DFish]

"Winning the game", sure, that's reasonable. Winning it "singlehandedly"? That's just fuqing stupid.

Why can't certain people just accept that Kobe had a mediocre 2000 finals? It's just a fact. Even MOST Kobetards freely admit it. It's undeniable. Everybody knows it.

It was mediocre relative to his other finals performances, but to imply that Kobe wasn't the 2nd best player on that 1999-00 Lakers team is equally insane. Horry or Fisher being better? :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

The game where shaq fouled out and Kobe won the game in OT. Kobe had to sit out a game with how sever the injury was. i'm beginning to think you just recently started watching ball.
IF you can't admit that Kobe's 2000 finals was mediocre, then it's not reasonable to believe that you even saw it.

Yeah, he had a good game 4. It's 1 game. the rest of the series he averaged less than 12PPG on like 30% shooting. Arguing that he didn't play poorly is utterly ridiculous.

[Da Kobester]

Bosh >> Gasol
Wade >> Kobe (if Wade is healthy he's >>>> over the crapfest Kobe of today)
Lebron >> Dwight
Chalmers/Cole < Nash

Heat bench >>>> Lakers bench
Heat athleticism >>>> Lakers athleticism
Heat 3-point shooting >>>> Lakers 3-point shooting (Heat have 6 guys who can nail 3's)
Heat Defense >> Lakers defense

Lebron and Wade have many career high type games against Dwight in their careers for a reason. Dwight is in our division and we get him into foul trouble easily.. Wade used to take bets on the bench if we'd get 3 fouls on Howard by the 2nd quarter.

lolBosh is a wannabe wishy wash gangsta ain't got the nut-sack to be going up against D-HO and Gasol we'd chew that string-bean up for breakfast then spit him out for lunch! D-Wade then will have to think twice bout driving the lanes coz D-Ho be waiting for his Gabrielle Union loverboy ass and swat that ball back to south beach! As for your Queen James he ain't no train coz 1 (chip) is a lonely number when Kobe's gonnabe 6 is > then your Queen's wishy wosh ain't got but 1 lmaol! Coz all in all Lakers as a whole unity we ain't taking no prisoners, bring on the small-ball 3 coz your now playin' wit' the Big Boyz bring it on Queen lovers coz now " It's been brought! PS. Hank you u Stank!

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I've always been under the impression that Steve Nash absolutely hated Kobe before joining forces with him.

[eliteballer]

IF you can't admit that Kobe's 2000 finals was mediocre, then it's not reasonable to believe that you even saw it.

Yeah, he had a good game 4. It's 1 game. the rest of the series he averaged less than 12PPG on like 30% shooting. Arguing that he didn't play poorly is utterly ridiculous.

Kobe injured his ankle so severely he had to sit out a game. Dont comment on something if you didnt watch it.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Kobe injured his ankle so severely he had to sit out a game. Dont comment on something if you didnt watch it.
:applause: :bowdown:

[LBJDW305]

Bosh is a wannabe wishy wash gangsta ain't got the nut-sack to be going up against D-HO and Gasol we'd chew that string-bean up for breakfast then spit him out for lunch! D-Wade then will have to think twice bout driving the lanes coz D-Ho be waiting for his Gabrielle Union loverboy ass and swat that ball back to south beach! As for your Queen James he ain't no train coz 1 (chip) is a lonely number when Kobe's gonnabe 6 is > then your Queen's wishy wosh ain't got but 1 lmaol! Coz all in all Lakers as a whole unity we ain't taking no prisoners, bring on the small-ball 3 coz your now playin' wit' the Big Boyz bring it on Queen lovers coz now " It's been brought! PS. Hank you u Stank!

Look at this fcking retarded son of a whore....lebron will be dunking before Nash Kobe gasol or Howard are crossing the half court line :yaohappy:

[NumberSix]

Kobe injured his ankle so severely he had to sit out a game. Dont comment on something if you didnt watch it.
And your point is what? :confusedshrug:

All I said was he played poorly. If the ankle is the reason why, ok fine. I'm not saying he's some scrub or an overrated role player. Just stating the fact that he played poorly. If it's due to injury or any other reason, fine. Doesn't matter to me either way.

And obviously YOU are the one who didn't watch it. Are you even in your 20's yet?

[TMT]

:facepalm People using > < = arguments.

They will definitely be one of the most balanced squads in the league. I'll put them up there with OKC just because they have more interior scoring while OKC still is faster and more athletic.

[CelticBaller]

avenge us lakers!

[WeGetRing2012]

And your point is what? :confusedshrug:

All I said was he played poorly. If the ankle is the reason why, ok fine. I'm not saying he's some scrub or an overrated role player. Just stating the fact that he played poorly. If it's due to injury or any other reason, fine. Doesn't matter to me either way.

And obviously YOU are the one who didn't watch it. Are you even in your 20's yet?

No he didn't. You obviously didn't watch it. He had a great game 6 too. If Lebron put up that kind of performance in his 1st Finals series at 22 yrs old you guys would be nutting on yourselves.

[NumberSix]

No he didn't. You obviously didn't watch it. He had a great game 6 too. If Lebron put up that kind of performance in his 1st Finals series at 22 yrs old you guys would be nutting on yourselves.
:facepalm

Dog, he shot 29% in game 6.

[Da Kobester]

I've always been under the impression that Steve Nash absolutely hated Kobe before joining forces with him. Little Stevie Nash knows better that if you can't beat them:no: then join the best franchise in NBA history! Welcome aboard Steve here's a bud for you LA freeway style!

[PJR]

:facepalm

Dog, he shot 29% in game 6.

Lol Kobrick stans have selective memory , B.

[NumberSix]

Lol Kobrick stans have selective memory , B.
It's amazing that these people are telling me that it's me who didn't watch this series.

Chances are if you're only ammo is "you didn't watch" it's probably YOU who are the person not watching these games. I mean, this is a basketball forum. I would imagine we all watch the freaking games. Doesn't seem to be the case with Kobetards half the time though.

[Quickening]

:facepalm

Dog, he shot 29% in game 6.
Not bad for Kobe.

[Hank]

:facepalm

Dog, he shot 29% in game 6.

kobe stans are so gay and don't even know the obvious :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Levity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW86Uv7DaSw

This is a pretty good video explaining what steve nash will bring to the lakers and how theyll benefit so much on the offensive end due to the pick up.

[Da Kobester]

Look at this fcking retarded son of a whore....lebron will be dunking before Nash Kobe gasol or Howard are crossing the half court line :yaohappy:
Hey foul mouth logically speaking how can the Queen train dunk when most of the shots be going into the paint feeding the Laker Bigs therefore ain't gonnabe no retarded long rebounds for your Queen to be half court breakin ain't gonnabe none of dat shi.t goin on dufus coz we ain't playing small boy wit u mofo's !

[Smoke117]

A healthy Wade is easily better than Kobe. Jesus christ some people know nothing about basketball.

[Hank]

A healthy Wade is easily better than Kobe. Jesus christ some people know nothing about basketball...




kobe stans are so gay and don't even know the obvious :roll: :roll: :roll:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I would love that lineup of Nash, Kobe, Dwight, Gasol...
But lets not pretend they are in the prime, except for Dwight.
Those guys are OLD.
Its not like they have THREE perennial all-stars in their PRIME.

[LBJDW305]

Hey foul mouth logically speaking how can the Queen train dunk when most of the shots be going into the paint feeding the Laker Bigs therefore ain't gonnabe no retarded long rebounds for your Queen to be half court breakin ain't gonnabe none of dat shi.t goin on dufus coz we ain't playing small boy wit u mofo's !

Lol so you think Kobe's going to give up the ball so Nash can feed the paint........
















:yaohappy:

[UtahJazzFan88]

:oldlol: @ this

Ray Allen
Shane Battier
Rashard Lewis
Udonis Haslem
Mike Miller
Juwan Howard
Ronny Turiaf
Norris Cole
James Jones

vs.

Antawn Jamison?
Steve Blake
Josh McRoberts
Devin Ebanks (assuming he's not in the Howard trade)
Andrew Goudelock
Christian Eyenga
Robert Sacre
Darius Morris

Obviously a typo because I'm not that big of a f*cking moron to not know that Miami's bench is better, but the Lakers bench should be improved if they pick up someone like CJ Miles or Randy Foye.

[swag2011]

A healthy Wade is easily better than Kobe. Jesus christ some people know nothing about basketball.

Not even. Wasn't Wade healthy this year when Kobe lit his a$$ up in the game against Miami? Ya know, the one right after Wade broke his nose? The one where Wade couldn't even guard Kobe so they had to put battier on him? Yea u remember. Here, refresh dat memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ix5EeEYms

[shortsoptional]

I think the Lakers are poised for a championship run or at least going to be a good test for OKC this year as it stands. My question is, is the gap between Bynum and Howard big enough (espeically with Howard coming off surgery) to mess with the chemistry that will surely be tested with all of the egos already in LA. Mainly Kobe's?

[LelBron]

http://i.imgur.com/ycp7f.gif

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I think the Lakers are poised for a championship run or at least going to be a good test for OKC this year as it stands. My question is, is the gap between Bynum and Howard big enough (espeically with Howard coming off surgery) to mess with the chemistry that will surely be tested with all of the egos already in LA. Mainly Kobe's?
Dwight will be focused on winning, something Bynum was not.

[kennethgriffin]

"Winning the game", sure, that's reasonable. Winning it "singlehandedly"? That's just fuqing stupid.

Why can't certain people just accept that Kobe had a mediocre 2000 finals? It's just a fact. Even MOST Kobetards freely admit it. It's undeniable. Everybody knows it.



kobetards... you sound like a 3rd grader every time you say this... you have the vocabulary of a 40 year old virgin bulls fan that makes dumb MJ/kobe/lebron rants all day on youtube

[Levity]

Not even. Wasn't Wade healthy this year when Kobe lit his a$$ up in the game against Miami? Ya know, the one right after Wade broke his nose? The one where Wade couldn't even guard Kobe so they had to put battier on him? Yea u remember. Here, refresh dat memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ix5EeEYms

its just funny that all these haters are disregarding the fact that kobe played hurt all season. the first preseason game against the clippers he torn a ligament in his shooting hand, and played the majority of the season with a numbed hand that was as fat as unlce phils. the selective memory in this forum is astonishing.

[BuGzBuNNy]

The Heat are a bunch of dudes in the prime of their careers while the Lakers stars are in their mid to late 30's outside of Dwight.
regardless..

Kobe vs Wade could go either way. I favor Kobe.
Dwight vs Lebron could go either way. I favor Lebron.
Gasol vs Bosh could go either way. Not sure.
Nash has the advantage over whoever else.

[Levity]

regardless..

Kobe vs Wade could go either way. I favor Kobe.
Dwight vs Lebron could go either way. I favor Lebron.
Gasol vs Bosh could go either way. Not sure.
Nash has the advantage over whoever else.

just curious, why is it dwight vs lebron?

[LA_Showtime]

It pisses me off to see Lakers fans bashing Bynum. Come on guys, you're better than that.

[Hank]

enjoy this read Laker fans:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202491


yes, you all know the truth .. your boy would get so exposed and embarrassed against the better player in a Playoff series it aint even funny :pimp:



Go back and watch the Christmas Day game from 4 or 5 years ago when Shaq was on the Heat.

Kobe could not stop Wade from getting into the lane back then either.

He simply cannot guard Wade 1-on-1. Never has been able to, today it was just obvious Wade could get past him at will. It's one of the dirty little secrets of the NBA.

I remember at one point Wade just got to the basket with no resistance and the play got stopped because of a whistle, but I was like "jeeeezus, who the hell was guarding Wade there", and then I realized it was Bryant and went "... Oh"

[BuGzBuNNy]

just curious, why is it dwight vs lebron?
Wasn't doing a positional matchup. Just star power.

[eliteballer]

enjoy this read Laker fans:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202491


yes, you all know the truth .. your boy would get so exposed and embarrassed against the better player in a Playoff series it aint even funny :pimp:

Hold that asterisk trophy tight, you wont have it long.

[LA_Showtime]

enjoy this read Laker fans:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202491


yes, you all know the truth .. your boy would get so exposed and embarrassed against the better player in a Playoff series it aint even funny :pimp:

Kobe obviously wouldn't be able to stop Wade but Wade has lost a lot of quickness since then.

[WeGetRing2012]

:facepalm

Dog, he shot 29% in game 6.

Why don't you get off of basketball reference and actually start commenting on games you watched.... He played fine that game and help close out a tough series. Again if Lebitch had anywhere near that performance at 22 you guys would be all over him...

[swag2011]

enjoy this read Laker fans:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202491


yes, you all know the truth .. your boy would get so exposed and embarrassed against the better player in a Playoff series it aint even funny :pimp:

shut the f*ck up. damn ever since we found out Lakers MIGHT get Dwight, you've been non-stop b*tching ever since. We get it, you think LBJ is DA GAWD, WADE BETTER THAN MJ, HEAT DYNASTY. damn. you're such an annoying f*ck.

Must be scared, or else you wouldn't be b*tching so much. If Miami is as good as you say they are, then they should have no problem defending this title, regardless of who they play, since they signed DA GOAT Ray Allen. Don't know why you're so threatened.

[Hank]

Kobe obviously wouldn't be able to stop Wade but Wade has lost a lot of quickness since then.

umm, no he hasn't. That was just from a year and a half ago. As soon as Wade got his knee drained in this series, this is what happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWCVEDwE5I

and-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmhhvzzIbRQ


A healthy Wade vs healthy kobe would be no contest. Wade would absolutely DESTROY him and totally embarrass him. I'd love to see it happen but unfortunately the stringbean Bryant won't be able to get past OKC in the West

[Da Kobester]

LBJDW305: Look man To answer your question from yesteryear Kobe's not like that no more, of course Kobe's willing to play team ball he ain't about greed like he was in his early years for example did he not play the last game of the season when kobe needed 27.3 ppg for the scoring title against the durantula. Kobe just sat it out coz it's no big deal now it's all bout stock piling on rings and targeting #6 in the horizon. Plus the fact Nash is the best PG kobe's ever play with and not only that feeding it in to D-Ho:bowdown: will be like icing on the cake it ain't like feeding inconsistent Bynum nor Gasoft at times.

[LA_Showtime]

umm, no he hasn't. That was just from a year and a half ago. As soon as Wade got his knee drained in this series, this is what happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWCVEDwE5I

and-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmhhvzzIbRQ


A healthy Wade vs healthy kobe would be no contest. Wade would absolutely DESTROY him and totally embarrass him. I'd love to see it happen but unfortunately the stringbean Bryant won't be able to get past OKC in the West

If you honestly think the Wade we saw last season is the same one we saw in 2006 and 2009 then I don't know what to tell you. :roll:

[Hank]

If you honestly think the Wade we saw last season is the same one we saw in 2006 and 2009 then I don't know what to tell you. :roll:

the thread was from X-mas 2010 moron . Wade owns the stringbean


12-25-2010, 08:05 PM #1
NBASTATMAN
Very good NBA starter



What happened to kobe's defense
Wade was blowing right by him all night...

[Heavincent]

the thread was from X-mas 2010 moron . Wade owns the stringbean

Wade isn't even on Kobe's level. Deal with it.

[LA_Showtime]

Wade isn't even on Kobe's level. Deal with it.

The fact that it's even up for debate is kind of a joke really. I mean I think Wade impacts the game more than Kobe when they're both healthy, but if we're gonna argue health than Kobe hasn't been healthy since the start of 2008. Finger injuries, ankle injuries, knee injuries, concussions, etc.

[DKLaker]

Wade.....LMFAO........he cried like a b!tch because Kobe owned him in the All-Star game, then he cheap shotted Kobe like a street punk that he is.

Kobe>>>>>>Wade right now!!!!!!

[NumberSix]

Why don't you get off of basketball reference and actually start commenting on games you watched.... He played fine that game and help close out a tough series. Again if Lebitch had anywhere near that performance at 22 you guys would be all over him...
Fine? What happened to great? :confusedshrug: :roll:

Stop posting. You've been served.

[Legends66NBA7]

Wade and Kobe both can't guard each other face up for extended periods of time, get real.

They cancel each other out, for the most part.

[Hank]

Wade and Kobe both can't guard each other face up for extended periods of time, get real.

They cancel each other out, for the most part.

NO WAY.

Wade will make far more of an impact in a 7-game series. All Kobe can do is chuck shots with poor percentages. Wade can positively effect games in many ways .. and in "timely" ways

it's called, clearly being the better player

[Heavincent]

Wade and Kobe both can't guard each other face up for extended periods of time, get real.

They cancel each other out, for the most part.

Wade can't guard Kobe at all, but Kobe can guard Wade. Kobe would easily win that matchup.

[KingBeasley08]

Wade can't guard Kobe at all, but Kobe can guard Wade. Kobe would easily win that matchup.
lol Wade has been great in his career against kobe. stick to nets brah

[LakersFan626]

As long as Lebron is still a part of a super team, his team will always be better.

Ironic considering that Nash is in your avatar and is your username, yet he's part of what could be the biggest threat to the Heat.

Yeah, if they get Dwight the Lakers are now a superstar team, but that still doesn't mean they'll win the championship, as OKC still has two players that have had success guarding Kobe and Dwight and MWP didn't really slow down Durant in the second round. They do match up VERY well with the Heat though, as Dwight and Nash over Chalmers and Anthony/Haslem would be a much bigger advantage than LeBron over MWP, as MWP was still able to hold him to a 12-26 game last season, which is very good considering that it's LeBron. Kobe's still the best SG in the league too so there's another advantage. And if the Heat start the small lineup like they did in the Finals, Howard would be guarded by Bosh and Gasol would be guarded by LeBron... yeah, LeBron guarded him well for a stretch in the game at Staples but for a full game? Very interesting.

[Heavincent]

lol Wade has been great in his career against kobe. stick to nets brah

Kobe vs Wade in head-to-head matchups:

Kobe: 29/5/4 on 46% 3 TOV
Wade: 25/7/4 on 43% 4 TOV

It used to be closer, but Kobe is just a much better player these days. Wade can no longer beat Kobe off the dribble, or guard him either. We saw what happened this past season. Kobe dropped like 17 points on Wade in the first quarter so they to stick Battier on him. And Wade only had like 15 points in that game. Not every game between them would be that lop sided, but Kobe still has the clear advantage.

[Legends66NBA7]

NO WAY.

Wade will make far more of an impact in a 7-game series. All Kobe can do is chuck shots with poor percentages. Wade can positively effect games in many ways .. and in "timely" ways

it's called, clearly being the better player


Wade can't guard Kobe at all, but Kobe can guard Wade. Kobe would easily win that matchup.

Both of you are stanning.

:oldlol:

How does Kobe chuck and Wade doesn't ?

See below...


lol Wade has been great in his career against kobe. stick to nets brah

http://gyazo.com/87e06122913b9f454a197dcaa09a3cb7.png

It's a wash.

And at this point, both have different roles and we don't know how healthy either player is going to be.

I would like it to be competitive like it was during 2009-2010 again.

[Hank]

lol Wade had a bad foot in that game. You probably dont watch every heat game but I do. He had foot problems in games preceding that one in LA and it was a revenge game for LA as the Heat since the Big 3 inception beat the Lakers 3 times in a row until that point (so much for your front court advantage).... and the Heat were without Bosh that day

Wade has destroyed Kobe head to head WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GUARD EACH OTHER over the years. In reg season games they dont guard each other most of the time but it would happen in a playoff series

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202491


Kobe's never been able to defend Wade.

Wade is too quick for him.


Kobe could not stop Wade from getting into the lane back then either.

He simply cannot guard Wade 1-on-1. Never has been able to, today it was just obvious Wade could get past him at will. It's one of the dirty little secrets of the NBA.

I remember at one point Wade just got to the basket with no resistance and the play got stopped because of a whistle, but I was like "jeeeezus, who the hell was guarding Wade there", and then I realized it was Bryant and went "... Oh"

^ even neutral nba fans know this

[Heavincent]

Both of you are stanning.

:oldlol:


Like I said, it used to be closer, but not so much anymore. Kobe is just a better player. Plus Wade is too short to guard Kobe. Kobe routinely torches smaller players.

[Hank]

i guess the Fakers could employ the Celtics and other teams methods against the Heat in the playoffs of doubling Wade.... Kobe the stringbean would need all the help he can get. and it still wouldn't be enough ..lol

poor faker fans will see kobe the stringbean can't even get past okc next year

[FindingTim]

Only advantage Miami have is Lebron.
that may be true, but it's a really big advantage. :lebronamazed: :kobe:

[Levity]

i guess the Fakers could employ the Celtics and other teams methods against the Heat in the playoffs of doubling Wade.... Kobe the stringbean would need all the help he can get. and it still wouldn't be enough ..lol

poor faker fans will see kobe the stringbean can't even get past okc next year

You are quite possibly the worst poster on this site. Everything you type lacks any sort of intelligence. It's like you're talking to your 10 year old brother and everything he says, you type up and submit it as a post.

[RazorBaLade]

Both of you are stanning.

:oldlol:

How does Kobe chuck and Wade doesn't ?

See below...



http://gyazo.com/87e06122913b9f454a197dcaa09a3cb7.png

It's a wash.

And at this point, both have different roles and we don't know how healthy either player is going to be.

I would like it to be competitive like it was during 2009-2010 again.

how is that a wash? lmao

Also, remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enVp376h4Ok

yyou guys make me sick

[Cali Syndicate]

Nash is going to run crazy effective pick n' rolls all day with Pau and Dwight. When teams begin adjusting and sending help and collapsing on the rolls, Nash will find the open shooters.

The offense is going to have so much better rhythm with Nash running the show. Dwight is the best defensive big man in the league that can cover so much of the floor with his speed and athleticism. And, oh yeah....they still have Kobe. :facepalm

Their weak bench really does not matter at this point....as long as they can stay relatively healthy. Really balanced team.

Fcuking BS... :(

[Legends66NBA7]

how is that a wash?

Also, remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enVp376h4Ok

yyou guys make me sick


Kobe is better scoring, fg, 3pt, and ft vs Wade's teams.

Wade rebounding (and offensive), passing, steals, and blocks vs Kobe's teams.

And what about that one game ? As if Wade hasn't worked Kobe either in the past either. I showed you their whole head to head matchups, while it can be flawed, they play the same position.

Get real.

One game doesn't change that it isn't a wash. You're a homer, so I don't expect any different. I could put another game that Wade totally outplayed Kobe and it doesn't change a damn thing that it is a wash. Quit cherry picking.

If your sick, get some medicine for that.

:oldlol:

[Cali Syndicate]

umm, no he hasn't. That was just from a year and a half ago. As soon as Wade got his knee drained in this series, this is what happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWCVEDwE5I

and-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmhhvzzIbRQ


A healthy Wade vs healthy kobe would be no contest. Wade would absolutely DESTROY him and totally embarrass him. I'd love to see it happen but unfortunately the stringbean Bryant won't be able to get past OKC in the West

I've been for Wade and against Kobe for practically both their entire careers but you're an idiot. Stop posting.

[Legends66NBA7]

I've been for Wade and against Kobe for practically both their entire careers but you're an idiot. Stop posting.

You can't expect fanboys for both players to be rational.

Both have gotten their licks against each other. I do think Kobe's gotten the better of their matchups, but not by that much. It's a wash to me.

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe is better scoring, fg, 3pt, and ft vs Wade's teams.

Wade rebounding (and offensive), passing, steals, and blocks vs Kobe's teams.

Okay, I didn't realize those are as important as scoring more efficiently. Okay. Sorry. I forgot its rebounding that is what is counted at the end of the game to determine the victor.

[Rekindled]

that may be true, but it's a really big advantage. :lebronamazed: :kobe:

Dwight have just as a big advange over Joel Anthony :coleman:

[JellyBean]

So Dwight to Lakers is official now?

I know. Is the deal done? Is D12 a Laker? I have not seen anything yet so I am waiting until things are final.

[RazorBaLade]

I know. Is the deal done? Is D12 a Laker? I have not seen anything yet so I am waiting until things are final.

not final.

all thats new is that lakers are still in talks and dwight supposedly says hes down to sign long term

[The Choken One]

Bosh >> Gasol
Wade >> Kobe (if Wade is healthy he's >>>> over the crapfest Kobe of today)
Lebron >> Dwight
Chalmers/Cole < Nash

Heat bench >>>> Lakers bench
Heat athleticism >>>> Lakers athleticism
Heat 3-point shooting >>>> Lakers 3-point shooting (Heat have 6 guys who can nail 3's)
Heat Defense >> Lakers defense

Lebron and Wade have many career high type games against Dwight in their careers for a reason. Dwight is in our division and we get him into foul trouble easily.. Wade used to take bets on the bench if we'd get 3 fouls on Howard by the 2nd quarter.

lol
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu237/cgreggg/jags.gif

[BlackVVaves]

Bosh >> Gasol
Wade >> Kobe (if Wade is healthy he's >>>> over the crapfest Kobe of today)
Lebron >> Dwight
Chalmers/Cole < Nash

Heat bench >>>> Lakers bench
Heat athleticism >>>> Lakers athleticism
Heat 3-point shooting >>>> Lakers 3-point shooting (Heat have 6 guys who can nail 3's)
Heat Defense >> Lakers defense

Lebron and Wade have many career high type games against Dwight in their careers for a reason. Dwight is in our division and we get him into foul trouble easily.. Wade used to take bets on the bench if we'd get 3 fouls on Howard by the 2nd quarter.

lol

What the **** kind of starting lineup comparison is that?

What the F U C K does Bosh do better than Gasol besides hit a three twice a week?

Like, do you even try being a good poster?

[Legends66NBA7]

Okay, I didn't realize those are as important as scoring more efficiently. Okay. Sorry. I forgot its rebounding that is what is counted at the end of the game to determine the victor.

Everything is important to winning, son.

And yes, getting a rebound (offensive or defensive) is critical to the end of the game to determine the victor. The offensive rebound(s) gets your team a chance for another put back attempt or a new possession for another good look at the basket. The defensive rebound(s) secures your team defensive stops.

Even Kobe said that the two most important things to winning championships are rebounding and defense.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Like, do you even try being a good poster?
Hell naw
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr Exlax]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu237/cgreggg/jags.gif

Awesomeness!

[magnax1]

A couple things I have to say
First off, I know everyone will disagree with this and Laker fans will probably throw a hissy fit if I say this and they get Dwight, but in 3-4 years, I could easily see Bynum being a better player the Dwight is capable of being. I think Bynum at 7' with his big body has more potential as a post scorer and maybe even rebounder then Dwight does at an undersized 6'9-6'10 height. I don't think Bynum will ever be the defender Dwight is because of a lack of mobility and leaping ability, but I think offensively he could be better. I think the trade is probably still worth making, but I wouldn't be give up anything more then Bynum.
Also, that LA team, with or without Bynum is probably not going to be as good as Nash+Kobe+Pau+Bynum/Dwight sounds. They're all going to have to play a role, and Bynum and Pau already had trouble doing that well last year. If Dwight goes there I'd like to see him just say I'm going to get 16 Boards every night, and play perfect D every night and only worry about setting great picks for Nash on offense.

[RazorBaLade]

Everything is important to winning, son.

And yes, getting a rebound (offensive or defensive) is critical to the end of the game to determine the victor. The offensive rebound(s) gets your team a chance for another put back attempt or a new possession for another good look at the basket. The defensive rebound(s) secures your team defensive stops.

Even Kobe said that the two most important things to winning championships are rebounding and defense.

Would you rather have 5 rebounds or 5 points?

[Legends66NBA7]

Would you rather have 5 rebounds or 5 points?

Is that just player averages or a game situation ?

If it's average, than it depends on minutes played, offensive and defensive rebounds, how the points are scored, etc...

Game situation, which quarters ? How are the rebounds and points measured, etc...

[REACTION]

I think what Razor is trying to say is that rebounding isn't as important for a SG (especially high scoring ones like Kobe and Wade) as shooting efficiency, PPG, assists, etc. And I agree.

It'd be a different case if you were discussing two PFs or centers.

[LA_Showtime]

A couple things I have to say
First off, I know everyone will disagree with this and Laker fans will probably throw a hissy fit if I say this and they get Dwight, but in 3-4 years, I could easily see Bynum being a better player the Dwight is capable of being. I think Bynum at 7' with his big body has more potential as a post scorer and maybe even rebounder then Dwight does at an undersized 6'9-6'10 height. I don't think Bynum will ever be the defender Dwight is because of a lack of mobility and leaping ability, but I think offensively he could be better. I think the trade is probably still worth making, but I wouldn't be give up anything more then Bynum.
Also, that LA team, with or without Bynum is probably not going to be as good as Nash+Kobe+Pau+Bynum/Dwight sounds. They're all going to have to play a role, and Bynum and Pau already had trouble doing that well last year. If Dwight goes there I'd like to see him just say I'm going to get 16 Boards every night, and play perfect D every night and only worry about setting great picks for Nash on offense.

Bynum definitely has the potential to be better than Dwight, but Dwight is a better fit for our team in the short- and long-term. For one, Dwight rarely ever gets injured. Bynum's obviously a walking medical specimen. And two, Dwight is mobile, explosive, athletic freak. We need players like that, because our current roster is old as shit.

[NumberSix]

I think what Razor is trying to say is that rebounding isn't as important for a SG (especially high scoring ones like Kobe and Wade) as shooting efficiency, PPG, assists, etc. And I agree.
Rebounding is important regardless. It doesn't matter what position the player is listed as.

[RazorBaLade]

Is that just player averages or a game situation ?

If it's average, than it depends on minutes played, offensive and defensive rebounds, how the points are scored, etc...

Game situation, which quarters ? How are the rebounds and points measured, etc...

the game is over

player A had 5 points on 3 shots. played 20 min. did nothing else. Player B has 5 rebounds. played 20 min. did nothing else.

[LA_Showtime]

the game is over

player A had 5 points on 3 shots. played 20 min. did nothing else. Player B has 5 rebounds. played 20 min. did nothing else.

What a stupid question. Which player played better defense? Who made the right plays both offensively and defensively. What type of leadership did these guys display? Which team one? Which guy need more for his team?

[RazorBaLade]

What a stupid question. Which player played better defense? Who made the right plays both offensively and defensively. What type of leadership did these guys display? Which team one? Which guy need more for his team?

they both did the exact same thing the entire game except on offense when the rebounder got the ball he passed, he collected 4 defesnsive rebounds and 1 off rebound and passed it out to a teammate. The shooter when he got the ball shot and scored.

[REACTION]

Rebounding is important regardless. It doesn't matter what position the player is listed as.

I'd say it absolutely matters. A SG plays a different role on the court than a rebounding big. When comparing two SGs like Kobe and Wade, differences in RPG are less important than differences in PPG, APG or FG%. Just like if you were comparing two centers, differences in APG or 3P% are less important than differences in RPG.

[DFish]

Rebounding is important regardless. It doesn't matter what position the player is listed as.

:facepalm You need to try actually watching the game of basketball sometime. Might learn something.

[Legends66NBA7]

I think what Razor is trying to say is that rebounding isn't as important for a SG (especially high scoring ones like Kobe and Wade) as shooting efficiency, PPG, assists, etc. And I agree.

It'd be a different case if you were discussing two PFs or centers.

See this:


Rebounding is important regardless. It doesn't matter what position the player is listed as.

Not to mention, Wade saves a lot of plays with his offensive rebounding and play makes more too.

I do agree, Kobe does his role has a "shooting" guard better than Wade does. He's the better pure scorer of the two.


the game is over

player A had 5 points on 3 shots. played 20 min. did nothing else. Player B has 5 rebounds. played 20 min. did nothing else.

I don't really know what was more impactful, really, if your givning me that much scenario. It needs more context than that.

[LA_Showtime]

they both did the exact same thing the entire game except on offense when the rebounder got the ball he passed, he collected 4 defesnsive rebounds and 1 off rebound and passed it out to a teammate. The shooter when he got the ball shot and scored.

What type of game was it? Who are the other players on the team? What position do these guys play? This is a stupid ****ing scenario given that you gave NO details.

[Hank]

the game is over

player A had 5 points on 3 shots. played 20 min. did nothing else. Player B has 5 rebounds. played 20 min. did nothing else.

problem is it takes Kobe 9 shots to get those 5 pts

wasting possessions, hurting his team.. as kobe the stringbean is well known for

[Legends66NBA7]

they both did the exact same thing the entire game except on offense when the rebounder got the ball he passed, he collected 4 defesnsive rebounds and 1 off rebound and passed it out to a teammate. The shooter when he got the ball shot and scored.

You didn't list some of those details for me. Also, I don't know whether Player A points came from the line, 2 point shot, 3 point shot, etc...

Like LA_Showtime was stating, that was the context I was looking for. It's not that simple to just list the stats.

[Heavincent]

problem is it takes Kobe 9 shots to get those 5 pts

wasting possessions, hurting his team.. as kobe the stringbean is well known for

Um, Kobe was more efficient than Wade in the head to head matchups.

Pay attention retard.

[NumberSix]

:facepalm You need to try actually watching the game of basketball sometime. Might learn something.
Yeah you're right. 6'6 Dennis Rodman shouldn't have wasted his time trying to grab rebounds. He should have just focused on what 6'6 guys are "supposed to do".

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Hank]

and lets not forget Wade as the #1 option in miami had a winning record against kobe and the FaKERS (even though the Fakers had a better supporting cast around kobe for most of those years)

Wade is just a much better team player that actually impacts the team in a more positive way... because, better players DO that

[DFish]

Yeah you're right. 6'6 Dennis Rodman shouldn't have wasted his time trying to grab rebounds. He should have just focused on what 6'6 guys are "supposed to do".

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Was Rodman a shooting guard? Is he at all relevant to the Wade-Kobe comparison? The answer to both is a clear no.

Who the hell has said that forwards aren't supposed to rebound? Try to keep up. :rolleyes:

[LA_Showtime]

and lets not forget Wade as the #1 option in miami had a winning record against kobe and the FaKERS (even though the Fakers had a better supporting cast around kobe for most of those years)

Wade is just a much better team player that actually impacts the team in a more positive way... because, better players DO that

Exactly. Wade's just an all-around beast. Not only is he a better, more efficient scorer, but he's also one of the best defenders in the league. His combination of wingspan, athleticism, and explosiveness allows him to shutdown whoever is in his path. In fact I'd argue he shuts down that side of the court.

[REACTION]

Not to mention, Wade saves a lot of plays with his offensive rebounding and play makes more too.

I do agree, Kobe does his role has a "shooting" guard better than Wade does. He's the better pure scorer of the two.

Right. The rebounding of a SG isn't valueless. I'm just saying it has less value than other facets of the game that a SG is supposed to have.

[NumberSix]

Was Rodman a shooting guard? Is he at all relevant to the Wade-Kobe comparison? The answer to both is a clear no.

Who the hell has said that forwards aren't supposed to rebound? Try to keep up. :rolleyes:
No more posts from you. You've been ether'd.

Arguing that a SG shouldn't grab rebounds is like saying Dirk shouldn't shoot 3's. If you can do it, do it.

If you don't see someone grabbing rebounds, it's because they can't. Not because they simply chose not to because it "doesn't fit their role".

If SG-A rebounds and SG-B doesn't, that adds more value to SG-A. It's not neutral because "SGs shouldn't rebound".

Dat Kobetard logic. :hammerhead:

[Hank]

LA fans know lebron and wade are (and have been) better players than Kobe. Just butthurt that they've played so well against your team over the years, and everyone sees this on TV and it embarrasses kobe and the lakers.

kobe is what, 2-13 against lebron-led teams ?? its something like that (even though kobe had better supporting casts).. and the Heat with Wade ALWAYS played the lakers really well (even though, again, kobe had the better supporting casts)

howard or no howard, the Heat with Wade-lebron-bosh-allen and the deep heat bench will wipe the floor with a 38 yr old nash, 34 yr old kobe, Pau who isnt close to what he was, and a 475983475 year old artest

let howard score all he wants our D is so quick and athletic we'll shut the rest of your overrated players down. and your pathetic perimeter D will get smoked, and wade and lebron will take turns getting Howard in foul trouble, as they usually do to him

[RazorBaLade]

What type of game was it? Who are the other players on the team? What position do these guys play? This is a stupid ****ing scenario given that you gave NO details.

oh youre screwing around okay. Lol subtle. good stuff bro

[Legends66NBA7]

Right. The rebounding of a SG isn't valueless. I'm just saying it has less value than other facets of the game that a SG is supposed to have.

Yeah, no doubt.

Kobe does his role as a scorer better. Wade as a player maker better. You can argue who plays better defense on the other (for me it's Kobe).

[RazorBaLade]

problem is it takes Kobe 9 shots to get those 5 pts

wasting possessions, hurting his team.. as kobe the stringbean is well known for

yeah and lebron passes up every single important shot to daddy wade

[DFish]

Arguing that a SG shouldn't grab rebounds

Again, you're failing to comprehend the text that you're reading. Who is saying that a shooting guard shouldn't rebound? Do you think that's the same thing as saying "a shooting guard's rebounding is less significant" than their scoring or passing? :facepalm

If someone says a power forward's 3-point shooting is "less important" than their rebounding, do you interpret that as them saying "a power forward shouldn't shoot threes?" Is English not your first language?

[NumberSix]

Again, you're failing to comprehend the text that you're reading. Who is saying that a shooting guard shouldn't rebound? Do you think that's the same thing as saying "a shooting guard's rebounding is less significant" than their scoring or passing? :facepalm

If someone says a power forward's 3-point shooting is "less important" than their rebounding, do you interpret that as them saying "a power forward shouldn't shoot threes?" Is English not your first language?
Why are you posting? :confusedshrug:

1 rebound counts as 1 rebound. It doesn't matter which player of which position grabs it.


Ether. STOP posting.

[BlackVVaves]

LA fans know lebron and wade are (and have been) better players than Kobe

kobe is what, 2-13 against lebron-led teams ?? its something like that (even though kobe had better supporting casts).. and the Heat with Wade ALWAYS played the lakers really well (even though, again, kobe had the better supporting casts)

howard or no howard, the Heat with Wade-lebron-bosh-allen and the deep heat bench will wipe the floor with a 38 yr old nash, 34 yr old kobe, Pau who isnt close to what he was, and a 475983475 year old artest

Not only is Wade not a better player than Kobe sans for 1, maybe 2 seasons, but while Kobe will finish his career as a Top 10 player of All Time, Wade will likely finish anywhere between 20-30.

Stop being a homer, I bet if ****ing Eric Gordon was starting for the Heat you'd be annoying us with "Eric Jordan is twice the player Kobe stringbean ever was!!!" every day.

Stop it, you make no sense.

[RRR3]

yeah and lebron passes up every single important shot to daddy wade
You must have sobbed uncontrollably when this happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30b8RM4XqNI

[REACTION]

Again, you're failing to comprehend the text that you're reading. Who is saying that a shooting guard shouldn't rebound? Do you think that's the same thing as saying "a shooting guard's rebounding is less significant" than their scoring or passing? :facepalm

If someone says a power forward's 3-point shooting is "less important" than their rebounding, do you interpret that as them saying "a power forward shouldn't shoot threes?" Is English not your first language?

Yeah, nowhere did I say that SGs shouldn't grab rebounds. Just saying that when you compare 2 SGs, differences in efficiency/scoring/assists hold more weight.

[LA_Showtime]

LA fans know lebron and wade are (and have been) better players than Kobe. Just butthurt that they've played so well against your team over the years, and everyone sees this on TV and it embarrasses kobe and the lakers.

kobe is what, 2-13 against lebron-led teams ?? its something like that (even though kobe had better supporting casts).. and the Heat with Wade ALWAYS played the lakers really well (even though, again, kobe had the better supporting casts)

howard or no howard, the Heat with Wade-lebron-bosh-allen and the deep heat bench will wipe the floor with a 38 yr old nash, 34 yr old kobe, Pau who isnt close to what he was, and a 475983475 year old artest

let howard score all he wants our D is so quick and athletic we'll shut the rest of your overrated players down. and your pathetic perimeter D will get smoked, and wade and lebron will take turns getting Howard in foul trouble, as they usually do to him

Exactly dude. Even with Dwight the Lakers will get crushed. LeBron and Wade will shut Kobe down and Bosh and Anthony will more than match Dwight and Gasol's production. LA might have size in their favor, but Miami's speed and athleticism will blow LA outta the water.

[NumberSix]

Yeah, nowhere did I say that SGs shouldn't grab rebounds. Just saying that when you compare 2 SGs, differences in efficiency/scoring/assists hold more weight.
No it doesn't.

You can have a defense first center or an offense first center. The overall production is what matters. You don't just automatically say Bynum>Howard because Bynum is better offensively. 1 set of skills doesn't automatically trump another.

[RazorBaLade]

You must have sobbed uncontrollably when this happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30b8RM4XqNI

big shot

tie game 3 min left with a stacked roster

nope

[RazorBaLade]

No it doesn't.

You can have a defense first center or an offense first center. The overall production is what matters. You don't just automatically say Bynum>Howard because Bynum is better offensively. 1 set of skills doesn't automatically trump another.

His point is actually more akin to pointing out Bynums FT shooting as an overwhelming factor in the reason being bynum is better than howard overall. Even though relative to their positions mobility and scoring efficiently and defense is actually whats important.

[Hank]

kobe needs those huge front courts to rebound for his shot jacking or he's worthless. Watch Kobe playing with regular teams and he's lost.. he could never have the overall impact of a Wade in the same situation.. only when Kobe has massive length and ability in his frontcourts to hide all his deficiencies.

Having a prime shaq for EIGHT SEASONS, then having the most dominant front court in the league with bynum/gasol/odom (who could ALL pass extremely well btw for their system -- and its hilarious how Faker fans always ignore that extremely important point) where NO TEAM in the west could come close to matching that front court -- kobe was gifted more than it was earned .. that front court breezed right through the western playoffs. Other teams were not fearful of kobe, they were fearful of the matchup nightmare vs that lakers front court.

as soon as OKC got Perkins to match with ibaka and durant upfront, they roasted the lakers in the playoffs.. as soon as dallas got Tyson chandler to team with Dirk upfront last year, they SWEPT the overrated kobe-led LA Fakers

when things are even up front, kobe isn't good enough to take his team over the top. He never was

[RRR3]

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/97555_o.gif
http://i.minus.com/iM0ZAx7ZydNC3.gif

[REACTION]

No it doesn't.

You can have a defense first center or an offense first center. The overall production is what matters. You don't just automatically say Bynum>Howard because Bynum is better offensively. 1 set of skills doesn't automatically trump another.

The set of skills (offensive/defensive) doesn't, but I'm talking about specific stat categories you look at when comparing two players of the same position and play style. For instance, Kobe and Wade. If we're comparing them individually, I'm going to look for differences in areas like PPG/APG/Shooting %s before looking at RPG. IE, I would value a 2 APG difference higher than I would a 2 RPG difference, holding all else equal. That's not to say RPG is irrelevant, just to reiterate.

In other words, which of these season statlines would you rate higher for an elite scoring SG like Kobe and Wade? Generally speaking.

A: 30/5/7 on 45%
B: 30/7/5 on 45%

Ceteris paribus, I would rate the first season higher than I would the second.

[Cali Syndicate]

No it doesn't.

You can have a defense first center or an offense first center. The overall production is what matters. You don't just automatically say Bynum>Howard because Bynum is better offensively. 1 set of skills doesn't automatically trump another.

Dwight is a better fit for Pau than Bynum is, so regardless, Lakers as always come out on top with their deal.

[Heavincent]

kobe needs those huge front courts to rebound for his shot jacking or he's worthless. Watch Kobe playing with regular teams and he's lost.. he could never have the overall impact of a Wade in the same situation.. only when Kobe has massive length and ability in his frontcourts to hide all his deficiencies.

Having a prime shaq for EIGHT SEASONS, then having the most dominant front court in the league with bynum/gasol/odom (who could ALL pass extremely well btw for their system -- and its hilarious how Faker fans always ignore that extremely important point) where NO TEAM in the west could come close to matching that front court -- kobe was gifted more than it was earned .. that front court breezed right through the western playoffs. Other teams were not fearful of kobe, they were fearful of the matchup nightmare vs that lakers front court.

as soon as OKC got Perkins to match with ibaka and durant upfront, they roasted the lakers in the playoffs.. as soon as dallas got Tyson chandler to team with Dirk upfront last year, they SWEPT the overrated kobe-led LA Fakers

when things are even up front, kobe isn't good enough to take his team over the top. He never was

I've seen this exact post in like 3 threads now.

[IllegalD]

kobe needs those huge front courts to rebound for his shot jacking or he's worthless. Watch Kobe playing with regular teams and he's lost.. he could never have the overall impact of a Wade in the same situation.. only when Kobe has massive length and ability in his frontcourts to hide all his deficiencies.

Having a prime shaq for EIGHT SEASONS, then having the most dominant front court in the league with bynum/gasol/odom (who could ALL pass extremely well btw for their system -- and its hilarious how Faker fans always ignore that extremely important point) where NO TEAM in the west could come close to matching that front court -- kobe was gifted more than it was earned .. that front court breezed right through the western playoffs. Other teams were not fearful of kobe, they were fearful of the matchup nightmare vs that lakers front court.

as soon as OKC got Perkins to match with ibaka and durant upfront, they roasted the lakers in the playoffs.. as soon as dallas got Tyson chandler to team with Dirk upfront last year, they SWEPT the overrated kobe-led LA Fakers

when things are even up front, kobe isn't good enough to take his team over the top. He never was

:roll:

@ these fools acting like Bynum was some sort of dominant, all-star force in the Lakers 2009-2010 championship runs. Trevor Ariza/Artest contributed way more to those chips than Bynum did (who was injured/played very limited minutes).

But this is a perfect example of rabid Kobe haters and their revisionist history trying to discredit Kobe's greatness.

:no:

[RazorBaLade]

http://i.minus.com/iM0ZAx7ZydNC3.gif

such a great gif. Do we have a good kobe u mad gif?

[DFish]

The set of skills (offensive/defensive) doesn't, but I'm talking about specific stat categories you look at when comparing two players of the same position and play style. For instance, Kobe and Wade. If we're comparing them individually, I'm going to look for differences in areas like PPG/APG/Shooting %s before looking at RPG. IE, I would value a 2 APG difference higher than I would a 2 RPG difference, holding all else equal. That's not to say RPG is irrelevant, just to reiterate.

In other words, which of these season statlines would you rate higher for an elite scoring SG like Kobe and Wade? Generally speaking.

A: 30/5/7 on 45%
B: 30/7/5 on 45%

Ceteris paribus, I would rate the first season higher than I would the second.

You're wasting your time. NumberSix is developmentally challenged and a blind LeBron stan. Those two qualities do not make for a good combination.

[NumberSix]

You're wasting your time. NumberSix is developmentally challenged and a blind LeBron stan. Those two qualities do not make for a good combination.
What do you not understand about "ether"? :confusedshrug:

[kobesabi]

:oldlol:

I better not ever hear anyway say Miami or OKC is stacked or any team in NBA history. This team right here is the most stacked team ever.

This team is going to slaughter the NBA. Hell, last year's Lakers could of won the title.

2013 Lakers are over kill. They're going to make Miami's big 3 look like the small 3.

Guaranteed titles for next two years. Easy!

All Miami got is an old Ray Allen. Meanwhile, Lakers got Nash(elite pg) and a the big of bigs Dwight. Kobe vs Wade = Kobe.. Only advantage Miami have is Lebron. Everything else is LA.

Easy title locks for 2 years. Hell, they might 3peat.

Not so fast...remember 2004? There's always other factors involved...like coaching making dumb decision, hoochie scandals, David Stern, referees, health, egos, aging legs (Kobe & Nash), chemistry...

[NumberSix]

Fuq. I keep forgetting about Mike Brown.

Yeah, nevermind. Lakers are still a 2nd round knockout.

Get a proper coach Lakers.

[LA_Showtime]

Not so fast...remember 2004? There's always other factors involved...like coaching making dumb decision, scandals, David Stern, referees, health, egos, aging legs (Kobe & Nash), chemistry...

The Lakers were a lackadaisical game 5 away from beating the Pistons. Their inability to close the series against Wolves and Malone's injury in game 6 did them in. It didn't help that Grant was injured so that they had to play Slava ****ing Medvedenko (sp?) either

[IllegalD]

BTW.

Oscar won his ONE and ONLY ring with a prime Kareem in Milwakee. Yet I've seen so many people rate him over Kobe on the all-time list.

Dr J. won his ONE and ONLY NBA ring with a dominant Moses Malone holding down the middle.

Add Magic to the list of players who never won anything without a dominant big (Kareem again).

You want to talk about being blessed with the best/most dominant frontcourts? Larry Bird had Kevin McHale and Robert Parish, two hall of fame bigs.

Drexler won his ONE and ONLY ring with Hakeem in the middle.

Jerry West won his ONE and ONLY ring with Wilt at center, yet some still rank him above Kobe.

Jordan never had a "dominant" big, but he won his last 3 rings with a PF who was as dominant rebounding/defensively as ANY big in the history of the game. Since you wanna talk about how "fortunate" Kobe is to have bigs to rebound his misses.

:pimp:

[Kobr]

Rebounding is more important to a SG than assists and scoring? Oh, Brian. :roll:

[RRR3]

You're wasting your time. NumberSix is developmentally challenged and a blind LeBron stan. Those two qualities do not make for a good combination.
You have NO credibility.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238892

[NumberSix]

You have NO credibility.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238892
Creep factor: 10

[Cali Syndicate]

BTW.

Oscar won his ONE and ONLY ring with a prime Kareem in Milwakee. Yet I've seen so many people rate him over Kobe on the all-time list.

Yeah because Oscar has always had the talent around him to compete for a title. :facepalm Pretty much the very first season with another great player and he wins a ship. And he was on the backside of his career yet still was putting up 24/5/10 in the finals. His ship count doesn't determine his greatness.


Dr J. won his ONE and ONLY NBA ring with a dominant Moses Malone holding down the middle.

And he was leading the Sixers deep into playoffs season after season prior to Moses coming along.


Add Magic to the list of players who never won anything without a dominant big (Kareem again).

Yes, cause in 87 and 88 it was a 39 and 40 Kareem that was carrying that team right? And a reminder, Magic was carrying that team into the finals in 91 without Kareem.


You want to talk about being blessed with the best/most dominant frontcourts? Larry Bird had Kevin McHale and Robert Parish, two hall of fame bigs.

Neither McHale or Chief was a Celtic during Bird's rookie year. You know....the year the Celtics won 61 games....32 more wins than the season before.


Drexler won his ONE and ONLY ring with Hakeem in the middle.

Drexler is not even close to a top ten player so his case doesn't really matter. But he did have 2 finals appearance as a Blazer.


Jerry West won his ONE and ONLY ring with Wilt at center, yet some still rank him above Kobe.

No one has West over Kobe in all-time rankings. Some have him as a greater Laker due to the influence he had on the game. He's the damn logo for crying out loud. But career resume? Pretty much everyone has Kobe over him.


Jordan never had a "dominant" big, but he won his last 3 rings with a PF who was as dominant rebounding/defensively as ANY big in the history of the game. Since you wanna talk about how "fortunate" Kobe is to have bigs to rebound his misses.

Probably time for you to sit down now.

In case you don't see it....these examples you gave all had deep playoff runs before their "dominant" big arrived. Kobe on the other hand was exhibiting first round exits during his non "dominant" big man stretch and then Gasol came around and Lakers make 3 straight finals appearance. The direction of causality for Kobe doesn't seem the same here.

[Lebron23]

hahahahahahaha

[Lebron23]

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These teams ain't that old. It's very unfortunate Kobe got injured Kobe was 34, Gasol was 32, artest was 33, dwight was 27, nash was the only one who was close to 40.

[plowking]

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These teams ain't that old. It's very unfortunate Kobe got injured Kobe was 34, Gasol was 32, artest was 33, dwight was 27, nash was the only one who was close to 40.

I find this thread interesting for the pure fact people were calling Wade old and done at this stage. I agree. He was very fortunate the Heat were setup for success and Bron was playing his best basketball ever. Bosh always slotted nicely into the number 2 role next to LeBron as well - so Wade was able to roam and not be as much of a negative.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wont be fair. This team is going to murder the league. Best backcourt and frontcourt in the entire league on one team.
Damn yo, and he still uses preseason odds as his go to argument. You would think this would’ve taught him a lesson :lol

[tpols]

Damn yo, and he still uses preseason odds as his go to argument. You would think this would’ve taught him a lesson :lol

I mean... Kobe got hurt. Are you really celebrating a career ending injury? They got swept without him and old Duncan humiliated dwight.

[tpols]

This guy is championing a career ending injury to a great player that happened over a decade ago. :facepalm

Can't make this shit up.