Meticode ignorant thoughts on Allen Iverson

[GOBB]

Jason Kidd. Iverson is overrated to me. Iverson is nothing but a 5'11" Ben Gordon who got the green light to shoot as many shots as he wanted to. Sure, his heart and determination birthed them into the playoffs, but his aspect of not playing "team" basketball never got them to the Finals.

"How is practicing going to make my teammates better?"

There is no white text. There is nothing left out. He shouldnt be allowed to post for 2 full months. Total IP ban. And if any suspicous accounts are found, total IP ban them too. How can anyone read his opinion and take them seriously after this? His only defense is "I was young when Iverson was great. I'm clearly stupid.". Sad.

[KyrieTheFuture]

He's wrong but your over reacting.

[GOBB]

I place my finger in my ass and fondle my prostate while watching Nash highlights.

:coleman:

[LJJ]

Why are you hating on Ben Gordon?

Prime Ben Gordon lit up the NBA for 21ppg from the bench, and he's going to put the rest of the league through hell this upcoming season after leaving that sorry Pistons franchise. One can hope. XD

[Dwade305]

BG lmao, thats a big an insult as saying nash>iverson :oldlol:

[GOBB]

He's wrong but your over reacting.

Overreacting? First AI wasnt 5'11. Second to compare AI to Ben Gordon is laughable to say the least. How are their games remotely similar? Third to say he never took a team to the NBA Finals is a joke in itself. Yes overreacting or you're in this thread defending a fellow Cavs fan? We'll go with that. :rolleyes:

[Dwade305]

Sure, his heart and determination birthed them into the playoffs, but his aspect of not playing "team" basketball never got them to the Finals.


Who the **** is he talking about here?:oldlol: Bg?? If so he is being thrown in there like if he was a franchise player like Jkidd or AI:wtf: :roll:

[Raz]

Iverson is a top 10 scorer ever. Best little man to ever play, other than Thomas.

[Maniak]

If ignorance got people banned there would be no Kobe or LeBron fans on this site.

[TMT]

Iverson did get them to the Finals...

[Punpun]

This is just pitiful. GOBB, you are acting like a petulant child whose friend has just been criticized. Time to grow up and try to make more interesting thread than namecalling some other user.

[GOBB]

This is just pitiful. GOBB, you are acting like a petulant child whose friend has just been criticized. Time to grow up and try to make more interesting thread than namecalling some other user.

Interesting thread like the one you made comparing Thomas Robinson to Tim Duncan?

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270757

:facepalm

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Overreacting? First AI wasnt 5'11. Second to compare AI to Ben Gordon is laughable to say the least. How are their games remotely similar? Third to say he never took a team to the NBA Finals is a joke in itself. Yes overreacting or you're in this thread defending a fellow Cavs fan? We'll go with that. :rolleyes:
GOBB, thats not worthy of a ban.
It was just an ill informed post.
Dudes like Hank and PistolPete should be banned for repeated stupidity.

[SilkkTheShocker]

The OP needs to get a life. 50,000 posts? Go outside, fatass

[KyrieTheFuture]

Overreacting? First AI wasnt 5'11. Second to compare AI to Ben Gordon is laughable to say the least. How are their games remotely similar? Third to say he never took a team to the NBA Finals is a joke in itself. Yes overreacting or you're in this thread defending a fellow Cavs fan? We'll go with that. :rolleyes:

No he was stupid to say those things but trying to give him a 2 month is laughable. You act like that's the worst thing said on here. But's lets just jump to conclusion like we know what we're talking about :rolleyes:

[Punpun]

Interesting thread like the one you made comparing Thomas Robinson to Tim Duncan?

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270757

:facepalm

Yep, that's called makign a funny joke to talk about some player. Not the vapid shit you're doing in this thread. Grow up.

[Derka]

I may not agree with Meti on that one (I don't exactly think the world of Iverson, but I'll be damned if he wasn't something else when he was on), but I'm all set with banning people for having an honest opinion I don't like.

Much rather see those bans go out to the irrational trolls and bandwagoners that bring the gene pool down a notch or two.

[Meticode]

Mission accomplished.

[Clippersfan86]

Iverson was listed at 6'0 and was probably 5'11 without shoes.like CP3, nothing wrong with that part etc.

[GOBB]

Iverson was listed at 6'0 and was probably 5'11 without shoes.like CP3, nothing wrong with that part etc.

Did AI play with or without shoes?

[Clippersfan86]

Did AI play with or without shoes?


With but it's pointless to argue over one inch.

[GOBB]

No but it's pointless to argue over one inch.

It was pointless to list 5'11 from the get go.

[Meticode]

:oldlol:

[Zedja]

Pointless thread by pointless poster.

[BlueandGold]

There is no white text. There is nothing left out. He shouldnt be allowed to post for 2 full months. Total IP ban. And if any suspicous accounts are found, total IP ban them too. How can anyone read his opinion and take them seriously after this? His only defense is "I was young when Iverson was great. I'm clearly stupid.". Sad.
Is that not what Iverson said? "How is practicing how to make my teammates better?"

and lol @ banning him for something like this, he's not even trolling this is his opinion.

Plus Iverson was pretty much a glorified streak shooter. Couldn't really defend, couldn't (or didn't want to) pass as a PG :facepalm , locker room distraction and constantly bickered with even hall of fame coaches in Larry Brown.

[Meticode]

To be honest, I do not have much regard for Iverson. He got his shots, and he got a lot of them, but he didn't hit them at a good clip throughout most of his career. I give him the credit of taking them. Who else is going to take them? Aaron McKie? Hell no. But it doesn't change my stance that I feel he's overrated.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Is that not what Iverson said? "How is practicing how to make my teammates better?"

and lol @ banning him for something like this, he's not even trolling this is his opinion.

Plus Iverson was pretty much a glorified streak shooter. Couldn't really defend, couldn't (or didn't want to) pass as a PG :facepalm , locker room distraction and constantly bickered with even hall of fame coaches in Larry Brown.
actually, Iverson was a pretty good defender, esp for someone his size. Also, if I am not mistaken, he was regularly amongst the leaders in steals. Also, as I recall, he was often top-10 in assists, was he not?

[Meticode]

actually, Iverson was a pretty good defender, esp for someone his size. Also, if I am not mistaken, he was regularly amongst the leaders in steals. Also, as I recall, he was often top-10 in assists, was he not?
That's the sad part. All those things you mentioned could've been way better if he had the mentality to help his teammates and not be out "me, me, me".

There's no doubt he's a great player, but I always felt he held himself back from being a legend. Just my opinion though of course.

[GOBB]

Is that not what Iverson said? "How is practicing how to make my teammates better?"

Yeah ignore the rest of the post and just focus on the quote he included. :rolleyes:

Where did I deny Allen Iverson ever saying that brain?


and lol @ banning him for something like this, he's not even trolling this is his opinion.

Totally misinformed opinion that requires a 2 month timeout from this msgboard. As of today.


Plus Iverson was pretty much a glorified streak shooter. Couldn't really defend, couldn't (or didn't want to) pass as a PG :facepalm , locker room distraction and constantly bickered with even hall of fame coaches in Larry Brown.

AI as a SG avg atleast 5 assists per game. AI assists a PG avg over 7 assists per game. Yeah he couldnt pass a PG even tho he'll forever go down as one of the best SGs. Cant wait for you to say he couldnt rebound as a SF next. Wait what?

Couldnt really defend? AI ranks 13th all time in total steals. 8th all time in steals per game. He entered the NBA having won the defensive player of the year award for the Big East 2yrs in a row. He couldnt really defend tho. Gotcha.

Players and coaches have disagreements and exchanges? :eek: Doesnt happen with your beloved NYK now does it. I'd LOVE to hear D'Antoni thoughts on the players he coached (and you support). :rolleyes:

You should get an IP ban for 1 month for this post.

[Meticode]

GOBB,

I you were so offended by the remarks (to the point you made two separate threads about specific posters) you should've private messaged me like an adult.

Not entertain these people here.

[Fudge]

But you compared him to Ben Gordon. That's one thing. Another thing is completely forgetting that he took a bunch of scrubs to the Finals. How exactly? From his x amount of chucking and terrible efficiency. :rolleyes:

[Zedja]

Yeah ignore the rest of the post and just focus on the quote he included. :rolleyes:

Where did I deny Allen Iverson ever saying that brain?



Totally misinformed opinion that requires a 2 month timeout from this msgboard. As of today.



AI as a SG avg atleast 5 assists per game. AI assists a PG avg over 7 assists per game. Yeah he couldnt pass a PG even tho he'll forever go down as one of the best SGs. Cant wait for you to say he couldnt rebound as a SF next. Wait what?

Couldnt really defend? AI ranks 13th all time in total steals. 8th all time in steals per game. He entered the NBA having won the defensive player of the year award for the Big East 2yrs in a row. He couldnt really defend tho. Gotcha.

Players and coaches have disagreements and exchanges? :eek: Doesnt happen with your beloved NYK now does it. I'd LOVE to hear D'Antoni thoughts on the players he coached (and you support). :rolleyes:

You should get an IP ban for 1 month for this post.
Ok who the **** are you to determine if he should get an IP ban or not? He's entitled to his own opinion so lay the **** off him. Do you really have nothing else better to do except rip other posters based on what they think? Oh wait I'm talking to the guy that almosts exceeds over 50k in posts.

[Clutchinari]

The only sad thing about the original quote was comparing AI to Ben Gordon.

Seriously, they have not one thing in common other then they are both small dudes. Two completely different styles of playing the game.

[oh the horror]

People's memories arent quite what they used to be it would seem.


AI, although not the model teammate, was downright almost impossible to guard back in his day.

[DFish]

It's just more proof that green bars and post counts here are in no way indicative of basketball knowledge. Which Meticode clearly has very little. Him being really young might explain it, or he could just be trolling. Or maybe just posturing to overrate Kyrie in the future.

[GOBB]

Ok who the **** are you to determine if he should get an IP ban or not? He's entitled to his own opinion so lay the **** off him. Do you really have nothing else better to do except rip other posters based on what they think? Oh wait I'm talking to the guy that almosts exceeds over 50k in posts.

Check this out http://insidehoops.com/forum/images/buttons/report.gif. I reported you for this post. I told them you were lacking originality "you have 50k posts!". Check your email for a warning from admin.

[Meticode]

But you compared him to Ben Gordon. That's one thing. Another thing is completely forgetting that he took a bunch of scrubs to the Finals. How exactly? From his x amount of chucking and terrible efficiency. :rolleyes:
That's correct. He shot 39% from the field the whole playoffs.

[Meticode]

People's memories arent quite what they used to be it would seem.


AI, although not the model teammate, was downright almost impossible to guard back in his day.
So impossible he shot 0.425 from the field for his career. And 40% from the field in the playoffs for his career. Overrated.

[StateOfMind12]

One thing that people will never understand about Iverson and his 76ers days is that he pretty much never had any offensive help. He pretty much had the jack up those shots to carry and anchor his team offensively. His efficiency was fine as soon as he got help offensively when the 76ers landed Chris Webber and Andre Iguodala in 2005 and when he was traded to Denver to play with Carmelo Anthony.

Iverson was an inefficient player for the most part but you have to understand the context why he was inefficient.

[Meticode]

One thing that people will never understand about Iverson and his 76ers days is that he pretty much never had any offensive help. He pretty much had the jack up those shots to carry and anchor his team offensively. His efficiency was fine as soon as he got help offensively when the 76ers landed Chris Webber and Andre Iguodala in 2005 and when he was traded to Denver to play with Carmelo Anthony.

Iverson was an inefficient player for the most part but you have to understand the context why he was inefficient.
Actually I totally understand that. Here's a post in this thread I made about it...


To be honest, I do not have much regard for Iverson. He got his shots, and he got a lot of them, but he didn't hit them at a good clip throughout most of his career. I give him the credit of taking them. Who else is going to take them? Aaron McKie? Hell no. But it doesn't change my stance that I feel he's overrated.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Is GOBB Allen Iverson?

[Mach_3]

Is that not what Iverson said? "How is practicing how to make my teammates better?"

and lol @ banning him for something like this, he's not even trolling this is his opinion.

Plus Iverson was pretty much a glorified streak shooter. Couldn't really defend, couldn't (or didn't want to) pass as a PG :facepalm , locker room distraction and constantly bickered with even hall of fame coaches in Larry Brown.

Jesus Christ your stupid, i don't completely agree with Gobb on this topic but you should be suspended for posting something so stupid

[chocolatethunder]

Jesus Christ your stupid
Oh, the irony

[Meticode]

You're so stupid.
You're so retarded.
You're an idiot.

:oldlol:

[Mach_3]

Oh, the irony

If you know nothing about a player (which he clearly didn't) why would you comment? Only an ignorant person speaks on things they don't know about

[NuggetsFan]

That finals has to be of the most memorable one's of the 00's. East was weak as shit but Philly vs the Bucks\Raps were killer.

Creating your own shot is an extremely valuable skill. One Iverson was amazing at. Not everbody can get off 26 quality looks a night on a consistent basis. People don't look at that anymore. You see a % and that's it. Something I'm guilty of as well. On a team like Philly he was looked at to do that. He never had help offensively so it was go out their get buckets. People seem to think he shot 39% so anybody could do it or he's overrated. Very few players are capable of scoring at the same rate A.I did, with or without the efficiency.

[CelticBaller]

That's correct. He shot 39% from the field the whole playoffs.
you compared him to Ben fvcking Gordon, how are their games even similar? :roll:

[Meticode]

you compared him to Ben fvcking Gordon, how are their games even similar? :roll:
Ch-ch-ch-chuckers.

[Meticode]

He got quality shots off, and missed almost 60% of them for his career. :rockon:

[Meticode]

GOBB,

FYI, you're mailbox is full. Can't send you private messages.

[IGOTGAME]

People are obsessed with efficiency stats these days. When I see that type of obsession I usually see someone who doesn't have a good grasp of the game.

When people discuss AI, you can often see who doesn't understand basketball.

[Meticode]

People are obsessed with efficiency stats these days. When I see that type of obsession I usually see someone who doesn't have a good grasp of the game.

When people discuss AI, you can often see who doesn't understand basketball.
I watched AI from 2000 until his Piston days. Never was a fan of him or what he did for his team and how he hurt the team. I don't need stats to see how he was overrated. You can see that before you even glance that the numbers.

**** Iverson and the people that hold him up on a pedestal made of bullshit.

[upside24]

I watched AI from 2000 until his Piston days. Never was a fan of him or what he did for his team and how he hurt the team. I don't need stats to see how he was overrated. You can see that before you even glance that the numbers.

**** Iverson and the people that hold him up on a pedestal made of bullshit.
No. You are wrong! Your opinion is different than mine and you should be BANNED!!!!:rant

[Meticode]

No. You are wrong! You're opinion is different than mine and you should be BANNED!!!!:rant
:D

[Legends66NBA7]

**** Iverson and the people that hold him up on a pedestal made of bullshit.

Which is what exactly ?

[upside24]

:D
:cheers:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Iverson and Kobe are incredibly similar players so if you like one you must like the other.

[Meticode]

Which is what exactly ?
Greatness.

[Legends66NBA7]

Greatness.

He was great.

How is that made up bullshit ?

[RedBlackAttack]

AI is one of the greatest pure scorers of my lifetime as an avid NBA fan... Which spans from the early-80s to present.

Any comparison to Ben Gordon is just proof of revisionist history and people having very short memories.

He was a dynamic player.

[GOBB]

AI is one of the greatest pure scorers of my lifetime as an avid NBA fan... Which spans from the early-80s to present.

Any comparison to Ben Gordon is just proof of revisionist history and people having very short memories.

He was a dynamic player.


People are obsessed with efficiency stats these days. When I see that type of obsession I usually see someone who doesn't have a good grasp of the game.

When people discuss AI, you can often see who doesn't understand basketball.

Bingo.

[Meticode]

Cool, you hold him in higher regard than I do. That's about the jist of it.

[jbot]

iverson had a killer mentality and was fearless. it's just too bad that he had so many bad moments thru his career that seem to outshine his abilities.

[Legends66NBA7]

Cool, you hold him in higher regard than I do. That's about the jist of it.

Okay, sure.

I just don't see how is greatness was made up, sorry.

[Meticode]

AI is one of the greatest pure scorers of my lifetime as an avid NBA fan... Which spans from the early-80s to present.

Any comparison to Ben Gordon is just proof of revisionist history and people having very short memories.

He was a dynamic player.
dy

[NOHCP3]

Bad comparison by Meticode but I can understand his frustration with AI's game. While he was probably the most electric scorer I've ever watched, his career, like his famous Pratice speech is most notably about "supposed to be", I's supposed to be the franchise player... Dude never grew up. He could've been ever better and won more then he did...

[Meticode]

Okay, sure.

I just don't see how is greatness was made up, sorry.
People hold him in higher regard than I do as a basketball player. That's all I'm saying.

[Meticode]

iverson had a killer mentality and was fearless. it's just too bad that he had so many bad moments thru his career that seem to outshine his abilities.
I agree with everything you said here.

[Meticode]

Bad comparison by Meticode but I can understand his frustration with AI's game. While he was probably the most electric scorer I've ever watched, his career, like his famous Pratice speech is most notably about "supposed to be", I's supposed to be the franchise player... Dude never grew up. He could've been ever better and won more then he did...
To be completely honest, I didn't' give the comparison much thought. I guess what I'm saying is that there are a number of players that could've taken their team to the lengths he took them if they simply got the amount of shots he took. That's all I'm saying. Was he great a breaking his man down? Was he great as creating his own shot? Hell yes, but that doesn't translate into a great player to me. Is he an all-time 50? Hell yes, but I don't rank him as high as other people do.

[immatell]

http://www.fullcourtpest.com/2011/03/in-defence-of-allen-iverson.html

[IGOTGAME]

To be completely honest, I didn't' give the comparison much thought. I guess what I'm saying is that there are a number of players that could've taken their team to the lengths he took them if they simply got the amount of shots he took. That's all I'm saying. Was he great a breaking his man down? Was he great as creating his own shot? Hell yes, but that doesn't translate into a great player to me. Is he an all-time 50? Hell yes, but I don't rank him as high as other people do.

please name these players(that is bs). also reconcile the above statements. they don't make sense together.

[NOHCP3]

To be completely honest, I didn't' give the comparison much thought. I guess what I'm saying is that there are a number of players that could've taken their team to the lengths he took them if they simply got the amount of shots he took. That's all I'm saying. Was he great a breaking his man down? Was he great as creating his own shot? Hell yes, but that doesn't translate into a great player to me. Is he an all-time 50? Hell yes, but I don't rank him as high as other people do.

Hmmm, curious to who else could've taken that team that team to the finals?

[Meticode]

please name these players(that is bs). also reconcile the above statements. they don't make sense together.
I'm not going to go further into the debate. I stand by opinion of how I feel about Allen Iverson as a player and teammate. If you want to say you're right and I'm wrong, I'm completely fine with that. Kudos my sir. :cheers:

[Meticode]

Hmmm, curious to who else could've taken that team that team to the finals?
Tyrone Lue.

[IGOTGAME]

I'm not going to go further into the debate. I stand by opinion of how I feel about Allen Iverson as a player and teammate. If you want to say you're right and I'm wrong, I'm completely fine with that. Kudos my sir. :cheers:

good for you.

[NOHCP3]

Tyrone Lue.

:lol :lol

Well done

[Meticode]

good for you.
Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Meticode]

GOBB,

Thank you for this thread.

Your Co-Poster,
Wayne Jorgensen

[StateOfMind12]

I guess what I'm saying is that there are a number of players that could've taken their team to the lengths he took them if they simply got the amount of shots he took. That's all I'm saying.
Only all-star and superstar perimeter players could have replaced Iverson on that 2001 76ers team and still reach the Finals. It's not like you could insert any scorer or perimeter player there and it's automatically a Finals appearance.

The likes of Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, and maybe even Ray Allen could have replaced him and still make it to the Finals but not players like Ben Gordon or Tyronn Lue or whatever.

[Meticode]

Only all-star and superstar perimeter players could have replaced Iverson on that 2001 76ers team and still reach the Finals. It's not like you could insert any scorer or perimeter player there and it's automatically a Finals appearance.

The likes of Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, and maybe even Ray Allen could have replaced him and still make it to the Finals but not players like Ben Gordon or Tyronn Lue or whatever.
Tyrone Lue, 50 greatest player of all time if put in Iverson's role. Guarantee it.

[Smoke117]

Allen Iverson is the most overrated player in the history of the NBA. STOP MAKING THREADS ABOUT HIM. We all know where you stand GOBB, you might as well be ROUND MOUND to Charles Barkley when it comes to Allen Iverson. As if a Philly fan could have any objective opinion.

[GOBB]

Love when posters cant even defend thier posts. :roll:

[Meticode]

Love when posters cant even defend thier posts. :roll:
What's the use in defending it? It's my opinion. Whatever you tell me isn't going to change it. I've been through it dozens of times already on here and in real life on the topic of Mr. Iverson.

I stated an opinion on a question in an original thread and you copy and pasted it and made another thread about it to point it out to call me out on it.

That's fine and all, but I'm not going to put the energy into defending what I feel any longer. It's just how I feel. :confusedshrug:

I just fine it funny you care so much. :oldlol:

It's like you have to defend the honor of someone who doesn't give a shit about you or knows who you are.

That is unless you are Allen Iverson.

[Legends66NBA7]

People hold him in higher regard than I do as a basketball player. That's all I'm saying.

Fair enough.

[NuggetsFan]

please name these players(that is bs). also reconcile the above statements. they don't make sense together.

Exactly. Creating your shot is a skill. You can't just assume somebody taking 18 shots at 47% will translate to 47% when taking 24 shots. Stats are great an all but you have to watch the game, and if you don't remember A.I taking his team to the finals than you probably shouldn't discuss A.I. Which is kinda insane considering a 13 year old kid could watch the entire thing this weekend if he wanted too.

No to mention the NBA is different now. When A.I had another scorer in Melo he did what? 26 points on 19 shots at a 45% clip. Philly teams had great D and Iverson on O. Nobody could do what he was doing back than except Kobe, T-Mac. Maybe a VC circa early 00's but even than I doubt it.

[Fudge]

It's not even mainly that. What caught my attention in the original post GOBB quoted in the OP, is that your "hate" for AI only goes so far, that you seemed clueless that he took a scrub team to the Finals, noting that his aspect of playing "team" basketball never got them to the Finals. That alone seems like you know very little of AI and how good he was.

[Smoke117]

It's not even mainly that. What caught my attention in the original post GOBB quoted in the OP, is that your "hate" for AI only goes so far, that you seemed clueless that he took a scrub team to the Finals, noting that his aspect of playing "team" basketball never got them to the Finals. That alone seems like you know very little of AI and how good he was.

The 2001 Sixers were one of the best defensive teams in the league and I don't remember Allen Iverson being all that important to the defense, so let's take it easy on the "scrub team" label.

On that note, don't know meticode, don't care what he has to say, but I do know this: GOBB is a grade A douche bag and if anyone should be IP banned it is him.

[GOBB]

What's the use in defending it? It's my opinion. Whatever you tell me isn't going to change it. I've been through it dozens of times already on here and in real life on the topic of Mr. Iverson.

I stated an opinion on a question in an original thread and you copy and pasted it and made another thread about it to point it out to call me out on it.

That's fine and all, but I'm not going to put the energy into defending what I feel any longer. It's just how I feel. :confusedshrug:

I just fine it funny you care so much. :oldlol:

It's like you have to defend the honor of someone who doesn't give a shit about you or knows who you are.

That is unless you are Allen Iverson.

Such a mature response. You must've forgot to stand on that soap box. Tsk Tsk.

[Meticode]

It's not even mainly that. What caught my attention in the original post GOBB quoted in the OP, is that your "hate" for AI only goes so far, that you seemed clueless that he took a scrub team to the Finals, noting that his aspect of playing "team" basketball never got them to the Finals. That alone seems like you know very little of AI and how good he was.
Thanks for the post. I appreciate the input.

[IGOTGAME]

Such a mature response. You must've forgot to stand on that soap box. Tsk Tsk.

leave him alone. It is just how he feels.

[Meticode]

Such a mature response. You must've forgot to stand on that soap box. Tsk Tsk.
No soap box needed. I was at work using SwiftKey 3 on my phone. :D

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Yes, Iverson is definitely shorter than 6 feet tall. I've seen him in person before and I could definitely see, he's a strong 5'10.5" without shoes. And does anyone really think the NBA listed heights are accurate?

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Allen-Iverson-1232.html

Iverson is probably one of the best undersized 2 guards to play the game, and at one point we was considered even better than Kobe. It's a travesty to compare him to Ben Gordon.

But c'mon, banning someone just because of one post you don't agree with is :facepalm . What about all the people making LeBron choke jokes? What about the people saying Kobe isn't top 20? Should they be banned.

[Riley Martin]

Meticode's position on Iverson is a crazy (and probably ill-informed) one to have, but I wouldn't say it's the craziest we've seen on ISH. Not when we have people claiming Kobe/LeBron are GOATs, better than Jordan, etc.

[LT Ice Cream]

Does this guy Gobb have anything better to do than lose sleep over everyone else's opinion on a goddam internet forum?

I guess you must think Meticode's opinion is ultimately going to determine whether AI is gonna make it into the hall of fame or not.

If anyone needs to be banned, it's Gobb so he can get outside his house for once.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

I hate ignorant people.

If you were too young to have watched the player then shut the **** up, your opinion is worthless. How can you kudge something you never saw?

Iverson for most of his career was a 1 man team; he had horrid talent around him, especially during that 01 season where they went to the finals.

[QUIZZLE]

I hate ignorant people.

If you were too young to have watched the player then shut the **** up, your opinion is worthless. How can you kudge something you never saw?

Iverson for most of his career was a 1 man team; he had horrid talent around him, especially during that 01 season where they went to the finals.

I hate when others miskudge people. I always tell my friends, don't kudge people until you get to know them or they might falsely kudge you too.

[Meticode]

I hate ignorant people.

If you were too young to have watched the player then shut the **** up, your opinion is worthless. How can you kudge something you never saw?

Iverson for most of his career was a 1 man team; he had horrid talent around him, especially during that 01 season where they went to the finals.
Quick question, where you referring to me in regards to this?

[NewYorkNoPicks]

I hate when others miskudge people. I always tell my friends, don't kudge people until you get to know them or they might falsely kudge you too.

You know what people who have lost the argument do? They nitpick on minute insignificant details in a crude attempt to save face while also avoiding admitting theyve lost.

By the way i typed that on an iphone, touch screen keyboard, and the K is right next to the J. Your age is obvious by your post. Why dont you walk on down to 711 and see if someone over 21 will buy you beer for the night?

[mrpibb]

Shitty thread.

[IGotACoolStory]

Shitty thread.

You're miskudging the thread. Re-read the entire thread with an open mind and kudge it for what it is.

[NumberSix]

Iverson is a top 10 scorer ever. Best little man to ever play, other than Thomas.
I what way is Iverson a top 10 scorer? :confusedshrug:

[kentatm]

I don't care that Meticode got some information wrong b/c his conclusion that Kidd > Iverson is ultimately correct.

[Optimus Prime]

What is this I don't even
I kudge this thread to be :wtf: :hammerhead: :banghead:

[NewYorkNoPicks]

You're miskudging the thread. Re-read the entire thread with an open mind and kudge it for what it is.

Yup no one in the entire world has ever hit the key next to the one they intended. It tends to happen to people who are busy. I envy those like you, and the glorious life of living in your mothers basement; a banner lifestyle with all the free time needed to check for spelling errors. Gosh it must be great to be you pal!

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Does this guy Gobb have anything better to do than lose sleep over everyone else's opinion on a goddam internet forum?

I guess you must think Meticode's opinion is ultimately going to determine whether AI is gonna make it into the hall of fame or not.

If anyone needs to be banned, it's Gobb so he can get outside his house for once.
:oldlol: :applause:

["Jesus"]

Does this guy Gobb have anything better to do than lose sleep over everyone else's opinion on a goddam internet forum?

I guess you must think Meticode's opinion is ultimately going to determine whether AI is gonna make it into the hall of fame or not.

If anyone needs to be banned, it's Gobb so he can get outside his house for once.

QFT.

[GOBB]

Since some peple enter the thread with DUNCE CAPS. How can anyone read my posts about him or anyone being BANNED seriously? Pretty obvious its said in jest.

And the idea that its his opinion is funny when most of it is wrong and inaccurate. He said Iverson never took a team to the NBA Finals when in reality (not fantasy) he did. But hey its his opinion, who am I to say you are wrong? He said AI is a Ben Gordon when their games arent remotely the same. The only thing they have in common? Undersized. Thats it. But its his opinion, who am I to say its wrong. Come on fellas, smarten up.

Cant believe you guys...wait I can believe you guys took me saying he should be banned serious. ISHiots. :rolleyes:


Yes, Iverson is definitely shorter than 6 feet tall. I've seen him in person before and I could definitely see, he's a strong 5'10.5" without shoes. And does anyone really think the NBA listed heights are accurate?

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Allen-Iverson-1232.html

You're just speculating. Its not even about listed heights. Its about what is reported from draft combines where guys are measured. Its said that AI is 6'0 with shoes. So I guess he shrunk over the years?

[GOBB]

Does this guy Gobb have anything better to do than lose sleep over everyone else's opinion on a goddam internet forum?

I guess you must think Meticode's opinion is ultimately going to determine whether AI is gonna make it into the hall of fame or not.

If anyone needs to be banned, it's Gobb so he can get outside his house for once.

Yes I dont go outside. And watch your buddies who like yourself are dependant on parents still applaud and cheer such a wonderful post. :rolleyes:

[RaininTwos]

I am not even going to lie, when GOBB asked if AI played without shoes I almost cried from laughter. He was going in on y'all.

["Jesus"]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/StrikSkillz/lmao2.jpg
http://stampinpretty.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f95df92883401538de82df6970b-800wi

[IGotACoolStory]

Yup no one in the entire world has ever hit the key next to the one they intended. It tends to happen to people who are busy. I envy those like you, and the glorious life of living in your mothers basement; a banner lifestyle with all the free time needed to check for spelling errors. Gosh it must be great to be you pal!

It's a joke, dude. Do people not realize that they make it worse when they don't let it go by.

Next time I make an innocent typo (and it will happen soon), feel free to do the same. Go out and buy yourself a nice big lollipop.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Lol oh GOBB...oh you guys don't think he should be banned too? Well duh I was joking I mean come on how could you believe me? SMH come on son.

[ukballer]

If Ben Gordon was half the player AI was, I'd be an extremely happy Bobcats fan right now.

[GOBB]

Lol oh GOBB...oh you guys don't think he should be banned too? Well duh I was joking I mean come on how could you believe me? SMH come on son.

:wtf:


Not my fault you look stupid here. You're probably one of those dumbasses who wants to correct Charles Barkley when he says something like "Michael Jordan is rolling over in his grave!".

But but but MJ isnt dead?

Its a joke jackass.

lol Barklet, yeah a joke. uh huh, sure. come on son! smh

:rolleyes:



Like I said I cant be too surprised idiots like yourself took me saying he should be banned seriously.

[DukeDelonte13]

Im starting to feel sorry for GOBB. Dude takes this internet forum way too seriously :oldlol: :roll:

Do you really care that somebody thinks Kidd is better than AI?

[GOBB]

Do you really care that somebody thinks Kidd is better than AI?

No I dont. Thanks for sharing your pointless point.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Im starting to feel sorry for GOBB. Dude takes this internet forum way too seriously :oldlol: :roll:

Do you really care that somebody thinks Kidd is better than AI?

Everyone on the forum cares. If no one cared about their beliefs people wouldn't be posting. Anyone who posts in a thread in a declarative manner has an opinon and therefore cares about it being heard or convincing others of its validity. There is nothing wrong with what GOB's doing.

Allen Iverson is a hall of famer, and those that disagree probably werent old enough to watch him play in his prime

[GOBB]

Everyone on the forum cares. If no one cared about their beliefs people wouldn't be posting. Anyone who posts in a thread in a declarative manner has an opinon and therefore cares about it being heard or convincing others of its validity. There is nothing wrong with what GOB's doing.

Allen Iverson is a hall of famer, and those that disagree probably werent old enough to watch him play in his prime

I dont even get his post either. Where did I get upset someone picked Jason Kidd over Allen Iverson? Talk about reaching. Has nothing to do with the thread. Maybe he sees something everyone elses doesnt. :confusedshrug:

[Brandon Roy]

Iverson is becoming criminally underrated by the new generation. AI was a shell of himself when he went to the Nuggets and Pistons. It's like those people who watched MJ in Washington and make assumptions off that. It's ridiculous.

People have to remember that his teams while he was with the Sixers were garbage when it came to putting points on the board. AI had to do everything on offense. He also proved that when he was paired with offensively capable players (All-Star games and Olympics) he was more than willing to share the ball.

I'm not going to say that he was better than Kidd because they were two completely different players and were both great in their own rights.

[Batz]

If Ben Gordon was half the player AI was, I'd be an extremely happy Bobcats fan right now.
I didn't bother reading through this entire thread. Just the OP and this post.

But, :applause: .

[indiefan23]

There is no white text. There is nothing left out. He shouldnt be allowed to post for 2 full months. Total IP ban. And if any suspicous accounts are found, total IP ban them too. How can anyone read his opinion and take them seriously after this? His only defense is "I was young when Iverson was great. I'm clearly stupid.". Sad.

I don't really post here anymore, but Meticode was by far one of the dumbest people on the forum. You're a pretty dumb person Gobb, but you're at least entertaining. Meticode is just a guy who's full of himself and hasn't learned he's average yet.

[dgaras]

meticode is just some normal average joe schmoe with a cute wife and a kid living in one of the worst cities of usa. hes never even touched a basketball in his life. dont take him seriously

[Meticode]

Great thread. :rockon: Great bump post.

[Meticode]

meticode is just some normal average joe schmoe with a cute wife and a kid living in one of the worst cities of usa. hes never even touched a basketball in his life. dont take him seriously
It's amazing all the things people believe online. :oldlol:

[indiefan23]

meticode is just some normal average joe schmoe with a cute wife and a kid living in one of the worst cities of usa. hes never even touched a basketball in his life. dont take him seriously

You have 168 posts to his nearly 27,000, but yea, I respect you more already. :) There's just a lot of people like him here. It's kind of why I stopped posting. You would say something sensible and 5 people would come back with pure idiocy.

[smoovegittar]

Man, anyone who posts something this stupid should just be ignored. Hell yeah there's a lot of stupidity in here - bucketloads.

[Meticode]

I still stand by my comments on Iverson. I wasn't a fan of him as a player or his attitude.

Overrated.

Keep your pouting posts to yourself, "I don't post here anymore because of people like him."

Soft I swear. God help you when opinions differentiate your's on real life matters that mean something.

[moe94]

Keep your pouting posts to yourself, "I don't post here anymore because of people like him."

Soft I swear. God help you when opinions differentiate your's on real life matters that mean something.

Why are people even catching feelings? :biggums:

[Meticode]

Why are people even catching feelings? :biggums:
F*ck if I know. People proceed to post and say that I should be ignored, yet they bump a thread that is directly about me? Contradiction much?

[CavaliersFTW]

Overreacting? First AI wasnt 5'11. Second to compare AI to Ben Gordon is laughable to say the least. How are their games remotely similar? Third to say he never took a team to the NBA Finals is a joke in itself. Yes overreacting or you're in this thread defending a fellow Cavs fan? We'll go with that. :rolleyes:
He measured 5-11.25 in the draft... that's pretty much 5-11 isn't it?

[moe94]

F*ck if I know. People proceed to post and say that I should be ignored, yet they bump a thread that is directly about me? Contradiction much?

Way way way worse shit gets said and no one cares. The fact that this thread exists isn't looking bad for you, but whoever made it and supports it.

[Meticode]

Way way way worse shit gets said and no one cares. The fact that this thread exists isn't looking bad for you, but whoever made it and supports it.
Obviously I hit a button of GOBB's back then. F*cking crybabies in here I swear sometimes.

I was crying some months ago myself. :cry:

[indiefan23]

I still stand by my comments on Iverson. I wasn't a fan of him as a player or his attitude.

Overrated.

Keep your pouting posts to yourself, "I don't post here anymore because of people like him."

Soft I swear. God help you when opinions differentiate your's on real life matters that mean something.

It just got boring dude. You're head is entirely up your ass. Meh to whatever trolly responses you have.

To whoever it was that posted my AI article responding to this moron, I'm honored. :)

[Meticode]

It just got boring dude. You're head is entirely up your ass. Meh to whatever trolly responses you have.

To whoever it was that posted my AI article responding to this moron, I'm honored. :)
How am I trolling exactly? Your accusations are unjustified. I argued my opinions on this thread about Iverson. I stand by them. I don't come back and say shit like, "I don't post because of people like him anymore." That's soft. Then you come on here bumping an old thread about me saying people should ignore me when you bumped a thread that is directly about me?

:oldlol: You're so laughable right now.

What is your point bumping this thread? To remind us where you stand about me? Do I bother you that much? I don't apologize for my opinions, but I do apologize if the sand I kicked somehow made it past your labia into your ******.

[indiefan23]

How am I trolling exactly? Your accusations are unjustified. I argued my opinions on this thread about Iverson. I stand by them. I don't come back and say shit like, "I don't post because of people like him anymore." That's soft. Then you come on here bumping an old thread about me saying people should ignore me when you bumped a thread that is directly about me?

:oldlol: You're so laughable right now.

What is your point bumping this thread? To remind us where you stand about me? Do I bother you that much? I don't apologize for my opinions, but I do apologize if the sand I kicked somehow made it past your labia into your ******.

Yep, I saw an article I wrote got linked to, and found out it was dissing things you had said. You're a dumb person Meticode.

[moe94]

Yep, I saw an article I wrote got linked to, and found out it was dissing things you had said. You're a dumb person Meticode.
Where is this article? I don't want to sift. :D

[russwest0]

Iverson did get them to the Finals...

The refs did.

[GOBB]

People still continue to be weirdos especially with indirect nonsense.

[GOBB]

He measured 5-11.25 in the draft... that's pretty much 5-11 isn't it?


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=1996&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=1

Now please by all means shut up

[miggyme1]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=1996&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=1

Now please by all means shut up


Measurements prior to 2000 are based on newspaper articles rather than official league documents. While the measurements reported in such articles are reported to be officially from the predraft camp, we are taking those writers at their word and can not completely verify that information.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2uVMAuryl
http://www.draftexpress.com


u shutup.lmao

[ILLsmak]

It's amazing all the things people believe online. :oldlol:

I like ya man. I like GOBB, too, even tho he disagreed with me on Iggy and ET.

But really I dunno why people hate Iverson like you apparently do. He's a lot more than what you are giving him credit for. He's an all time great player, a legit 6 foot superstar. In the game the way it is today, that's insane. You can say sure someone like CP is a superstar, yea, but not like Iverson. He can't get you 30 every night and play 45 minutes.

-Smak

[JohnFreeman]

Iverson is probably the best pound for pound player, but I see where Meticode is coming from.

[GOBB]

Measurements prior to 2000 are based on newspaper articles rather than official league documents. While the measurements reported in such articles are reported to be officially from the predraft camp, we are taking those writers at their word and can not completely verify that information.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2uVMAuryl
http://www.draftexpress.com


u shutup.lmao

You typed all that to say what? If ur not proving he is 5'11" shut up

[Akrazotile]

Why are you hating on Ben Gordon?

Prime Ben Gordon lit up the NBA for 21ppg from the bench, and he's going to put the rest of the league through hell this upcoming season after leaving that sorry Pistons franchise. One can hope. XD


Classic.

[Akrazotile]

You can say sure someone like CP is a superstar, yea, but not like Iverson. He can't get you 30 every night and play 45 minutes.

-Smak


The point is that this does not MATTER like most idiots think it does.


AI stans love to latch onto his ONE finals appearance, as proof that he "willed/led/carried/forced" his team there all by himself.

So how do you explain the lack of significant team success throughout the rest of his career from this "superstar"??


Most fans really just do not know how to distinguish between being impressed at "degree of difficulty" volume iso scoring (Iverson, Arenas, Kobe, Melo, Tmac, etc), and the degree to which you actually make an overall net positive impact on the court relative to your opponent in pro team basketball. They're simply not the same thing. Most fans do not realize. Obviously all those guys are talented but the truth is they'd be more IMPACTFUL if they played less selfishly. This is the reason why smarter players who are also talented like Lebron, Durant, CP3, etc. always out-perform those other dudes when people look at advanced analytics and impacting wins.

A guy who scores a lot of points by shooting at an average clip and is average at everything else is not a difference maker. Teams like the Nuggets and Grizzlies can manage to score the same amount of points by just moving the ball. The things that set individuals apart in making a difference is defense, rebounding, IQ. One guy is not going to outplay a team. The best players know how to USE their team to outplay the other team. Yeah it definitely helps when you have an extremely efficient scorer like Nowitzki or Durant. But a guy like Iverson or Arenas or Melo? These are role players masquerading as "superstars" to sell shoes.

Real tawx.

[MavsSuperFan]

There is no white text. There is nothing left out. He shouldnt be allowed to post for 2 full months. Total IP ban. And if any suspicous accounts are found, total IP ban them too. How can anyone read his opinion and take them seriously after this? His only defense is "I was young when Iverson was great. I'm clearly stupid.". Sad.
Philly stans so sensitive about iverson. Guess you guys dont have much to be proud of with regards to the 76ers :lol

[miggyme1]

You typed all that to say what? If ur not proving he is 5'11" shut up


u the only dumbass in here that dont know this guy is UNDER 6 feet. then gone post that bs article like it proved something...smh...u kids get dumber by the hour.

ive seen ai play in person several times in his career and met him when he played for the grizzlies.

i meet him at the press conference thing he had when he first came to memphis to announce he joined the team. me and my bro did..my brother is 6'4 im 5'10(maybe 5'11 on a good day)lol..my bro dwarfed ai and me of course and ai and i were eye level.


so again.......SHUTUP. have a good day

[GOBB]

u the only dumbass in here that dont know this guy is UNDER 6 feet.

Yet no proof, just you spewing nonsense from your ass.


then gone post that bs article like it proved something...smh...u kids get dumber by the hour.

BS article showed he was not 5'11.


ive seen ai play in person several times in his career and met him when he played for the grizzlies.

Me too, what is your point?


i meet him at the press conference thing he had when he first came to memphis to announce he joined the team. me and my bro did..my brother is 6'4 im 5'10(maybe 5'11 on a good day)lol..my bro dwarfed ai and me of course and ai and i were eye level.

Uh huh. Really cool story bro. Eye level.


so again.......SHUTUP. have a good day

Your next reply should be providing proof. Otherwise you're babbling. You probably have a degree in that.

[miggyme1]

Yet no proof, just you spewing nonsense from your ass.



BS article showed he was not 5'11.



Me too, what is your point?



Uh huh. Really cool story bro. Eye level.



Your next reply should be providing proof. Otherwise you're babbling. You probably have a degree in that.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=ght-MSAJFqnLiM&tbnid=hD5nTVxAGfCnwM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgoodfellamedia.com%2Ftag%2Fcelebr ities&ei=MdUPU7WsD4fukQfw-ICIAw&bvm=bv.61965928,d.dmQ&psig=AFQjCNFpBLP5ehJCLiU1Xh7k2O5AxnHD4Q&ust=1393632892926129


scroll down and its a pic of ai standing next to meek mill who by the way is only 6'1........ill wait for your next troll response....DUMBASS.

[G-train]

Iverson probably is 6 foot in his basketball shoes.
So 5'10 or so in reality.
Doesn't this make his exploits even greater?

[miggyme1]

Iverson probably is 6 foot in his basketball shoes.
So 5'10 or so in reality.
Doesn't this make his exploits even greater?


hell yea it does but i hate when people act like they KNOW this dude was 6 feet when he was UNDER 6 feet and i got more proof for any bum in here that dont believe me. thanks

[indiefan23]

Where is this article? I don't want to sift. :D

It's here:

http://www.fullcourtpest.com/2011/03/in-defence-of-allen-iverson.html