No Way Tim Duncan is underrated

[PistolPete44]

http://gifsoup.com/view/331304/pau-blocks-duncan-o.gif

80% of the people would actually say Tim Duncan is underrated,
no way.

1. He didnt dominate the court on either ends
2. Always had good teammates, D-Rob, Parker , Manu.. so on
3. Individual Ability- wise , isn't better than Kobe and hakeem ( or even Big O ), he wasn't giving impressive stats
4. Despite having a great team, never won back2back championship
and in 1999* ( Lock out + Jordan out )

[StackzUp]

I dont understand this notion that Duncan is underrated either. Everyone I seem to know has Duncan very high up there.

[2LeTTeRS]

I never thought I'd agree with you; but I've been saying the same thing for years >>>>> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71999.

[ripthekik]

he's saying Duncan is overrated. :rolleyes:

[Andrei89]

:biggums:

Tim Duncan is the GOAT PF.

The fact that you had to post a gif of him gettin blocked shows that your argument is indeed weak and you wanted to distract people with it.

[Harison]

Very rarely fans underrate Duncan, he is considered by most as a GOAT PF and Top10 player of All-time.

[Sarcastic]

My biggest knock on Duncan is that he should be listed as the 5th best center rather than the #1 power forward.

[TMT]

:oldlol: Probably started watching Duncan in 08 or something. Please, kid.

Top 3 player of his generation.

[Horatio33]

I agree he is solidified as the GOAT PF
but the gif just shows he aint GOAT material
and the stats too

i'm sure I could find a gif that "shows" your favourite player isn't GOAT material.

[TMT]

I agree he is solidified as the GOAT PF

but the gif just shows he aint GOAT material

One play is going to tell you if he's GOAT material? :facepalm This kid deserves to be banned.

[ripthekik]

but the gif just shows he aint GOAT material


:roll: :roll: :roll:
ISH keeps bringing surprises, everyday :lol

[KLovin]

but the gif just shows he aint GOAT material

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ninephive]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8TSA6tvLbI

[Andrei89]

but the gif just shows he aint GOAT material


:lol :lol :lol :lol :applause:

[imdaman99]

i can post 1 gif that disproves MJ as goat material... but i wont because he IS the goat

[FreezingTsmoove]

I got him #10 on my goats list

[StateOfMind12]

I think Duncan is closer to overrated than he is to underrated but I don't think he is either one. With that being said, Duncan is still the greatest PF to ever play and is ranked 10th on my all-time list. I think even if Duncan accomplished just as much as KG did then Duncan would still be ranked higher due to the fact that he was just a better scorer but it's still close. I just think it's extreme revisionist to act like this was never a debate when this was easily one of the biggest debates/comparisons in the early 2000s.

[Maniak]

GIF...GOAT Material...

How do you people come up with this garbage?

[JellyBean]

Wow. Even I, an admitted Tim Duncan hater, would never say that Duncan is underrated. Whoever said that Duncan was underrated must not understand what "underrated" means.

[Horatio33]

It's All About Stats People!!!!!!!!!!!

[rmt]

4 rings as the man - no all-nba team mate on any of the championship teams and no all-star team mate in 99 and 03.

only player to be on an all-nba and all-defensive team the first 13 years of his career

Spurs have the highest winning percentage of any team in NBA history over a 15 year span and of any professional sport (football, baseball, hockey) since Duncan joined in 97.

And yet OP is trying to disprove him as GOAT PF by showing a block against him.

[kennethgriffin]

the only reason duncan is the goat PF is because hes a center

[Carbine]

This thread is a disgrace.

[DaSeba5]

He's the GOAT PF. WHAT IS THIS.... I DON'T EVEN....

[DKLaker]

IMO Duncan is very highly overrated, he is consistent, steady, highly skilled....but as an overall impact player nothing special.
Just as an example, look at Kevin McHale's best season and Tim Duncan's best season and they are identical......yet McHale is not on anyone's top 25 list. McHale scared me, Duncan doesn't....he can't score enough to hurt you, it's been Parker & Ginobili.......and Duncan is a liability at the FT line.
I don't get the hype, I've been watching NBA ball since 1960 and Duncan = so what???

[K.Koscik]

What made Tim special (and im not saying that he didn't have great basketball abilities) was his demeanor on the court. He always seemed to keep his teammates focused and elevate their play. How many no names played well for the Spurs during the 00s? Most people give all the credit to the spurs front office but I think it's a combination of the front office, coach pop, and playing alongside Tim Duncan.

That said I still think Duncan's between the 8-12 range and is a great, great player but yeah i dont think he is underrated either

[PickernRoller]

One play is going to tell you if he's GOAT material? :facepalm This kid deserves to be banned.

Duncan getting the treatment now....had to happen eventually :roll: :roll:

It's a one step at a time approach to downgrade each and every player in the top 10 all-time list to prop you know whom...

[Timmy D for MVP]

:oldlol: Probably started watching Duncan in 08 or something. Please, kid.

Top 3 player of his generation.

Top 1 player of his generation.

Unfortunately the numbers don't do it justice. You have to be an intelligent, diligent fan to understand the impact the man has on the court. Once this generation passes there may not be anyone left who really appreciates what's happened in his career and every time he steps on a floor.

[Punpun]

Top 1 player of his generation.

Unfortunately the numbers don't do it justice. You have to be an intelligent, diligent fan to understand the impact the man has on the court. Once this generation passes there may not be anyone left who really appreciates what's happened in his career and every time he steps on a floor.

Numbers and accolades don't give him justice ? Bullshit. He has out of this world numbers ever since his rookie year.

:yaohappy:

[LJJ]

Tim Duncan is overrated by nobody.


He is massively underrated by every single Kobe stan on this site though.

[NumberSix]

I'd say Duncan is slightly overrated in the way that people automatically put him above other guys who weren't lucky enough to play for sensible teams.

Don't get me wrong. Duncan is the centerpiece of SAS, BUT..... The organization did a very smart job of building around him. He could have just as easily gone to a team like Minny or Milwaukee that probably would have just wasted his talent.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Numbers and accolades don't give him justice ? Bullshit. He has out of this world numbers ever since his rookie year.

:yaohappy:

Indeed. They still don't do the impact he has on the floor justice. There's so much he does that doesn't end up on a stat sheet.

:yaohappy:

[Dictator]

Duncan is overrated

[Punpun]

Indeed. They still don't do the impact he has on the floor justice. There's so much he does that doesn't end up on a stat sheet.



Yeah, that's called intangibles. Doesn't mean his on paper resume doesn't give him justice.

:yaohappy:

[Carbine]

I'd say Duncan is slightly overrated in the way that people automatically put him above other guys who weren't lucky enough to play for sensible teams.

Don't get me wrong. Duncan is the centerpiece of SAS, BUT..... The organization did a very smart job of building around him. He could have just as easily gone to a team like Minny or Milwaukee that probably would have just wasted his talent.

They did a very smart job of drafting Gino & Parker, who didn't begin to be the players we associate them as being until 2005. And it's not like those two guys were great players in the NBA when the Spurs were winning titles... by the time Duncan got his 4th ring Parker & Gino had yet to make any All-NBA team or All-Defense team.

Other than drafting those two, they've brought in how many all-stars? How many all-nba players? They brought guys in who are much more readily available in the NBA - guys who can spot up and shoot, and at least be average on defense.

When Tim Duncan stopped being their undisputed best player, they stopped winning titles....even though Gino & Parker continued to get better and better. That's all you need to know.

Want to know how to tell a casual fan/dumb fan apart from the smart ones? Listen to them talk about Tim Duncan. If them ramble on about his 22/11 not being impressive, and judging him mostly on per game numbers, than you know he/she is a dumbass.

For example:


He didnt dominate the court on either ends
he wasn't giving impressive stats

:no:

[Timmy D for MVP]

Yeah, that's called intangibles. Doesn't mean his on paper resume doesn't give him justice.

:yaohappy:

And when talking about the impact of a player it is important to discuss things outside of statistical aspects. Therefore the numbers do not do him justice, his impact goes far beyond them.

:yaohappy:

[Cali Syndicate]

I'd have to take Duncan or KG to build a team around over Kobe or Wade. That's my take.

[DKLaker]

Numbers and accolades don't give him justice ? Bullshit. He has out of this world numbers ever since his rookie year.

:yaohappy:

Out of this world numbers???????? Please post those for us :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Dude's teams continued to win 60+ games even after he declined to role-player status.

:durantunimpressed:

[noosaman]

It depends where you had him rated. He's probably the best player of the post-Jordan era. So if you had him below both Kobe and Shaq then yes he is underrated.

[Dbrog]

Dude's teams continued to win 60+ games even after he declined to role-player status.

:durantunimpressed:

And yet how far have they gone in the playoffs?

[bdreason]

He's underrated by casual fans. Go ask a bunch of casual basketball fans who is better; Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan, and the majority, if not all, will say Kobe.

Now, I'm not saying one couldn't make an argument for Kobe being superior (although I disagree), but the real reason most casual basketball fans will choose Kobe is because he's been promoted and celebrated more than Duncan.

[StateOfMind12]

When Tim Duncan stopped being their undisputed best player, they stopped winning titles....even though Gino & Parker continued to get better and better. That's all you need to know. :
Manu never matched and never played better than he did in 2005. Parker got better and better over the years but everyone else on the Spurs got worse including both Manu and Duncan.


Tim Duncan is overrated by nobody.


He is massively underrated by every single Kobe stan on this site though.
He is overrated by the people that believe he is ranked above both Shaq and Hakeem in the all-time list. I've seen people put Duncan in the top 5 before which is completely asinine in my opinion.

People talk all the time about how Duncan is only underrated because he played in a small market but truthfully that also makes him overrated because nobody ever talks about his failures which he had plenty of.

[NumberSix]

Other than drafting those two, they've brought in how many all-stars? How many all-nba players? They brought guys in who are much more readily available in the NBA - guys who can spot up and shoot, and at least be average on defense.
Building the right team and making smart decisions isn't as simple as getting all stars.

Leonard is a great piece. He's a great example of the genius of the SAS organization. They make smart choices and mold role players very nicely.

Nobody is saying Duncan got carried or anything. No need to get all defensive. Tim Duncan is obviously one of the all time greats. Just saying the organization did what you're supposed to do when you draft a great player. You build around them with smart choices of role players.

Duncan was "the man". SAS built around him properly. They didn't just surround him with scrubs like Cleveland did with LeBron or Minny did with KG.

[G.O.A.T]

Just go away, you bring nothing of use to the site.

[Andrei89]

And yet how far have they gone in the playoffs?


:biggums: Which playoffs?

Because they won 4 championships.

Another idiot.

[RIP CITY]

PistolPete once again proving he's the worst poster on ISH. Good job, with the resume your building no one will ever be able to surpass you.

[DKLaker]

He's underrated by casual fans. Go ask a bunch of casual basketball fans who is better; Kobe Bryant or Tim Duncan, and the majority, if not all, will say Kobe.

Now, I'm not saying one couldn't make an argument for Kobe being superior (although I disagree), but the real reason most casual basketball fans will choose Kobe is because he's been promoted and celebrated more than Duncan.

Kobe >>>>> Duncan.......better stats, more titles, kicked his @ss head to head in the playoffs, scored 81 points, 62 in 3 quarters, scored 50 points 4 straight games......Duncan's career high is 53 :facepalm, Kobe has 25 50+ point games, Duncan 1 :oldlol:
Duncan only 9 seasons of 20ppg, only 1 season over 23.5ppg
All NBA Defensive 1st team Kobe 9 > Duncan 8 :applause:
Clutch free throw shooting.....please:oldlol: Kobe >>>>>>>>>>Duncan
Career points Duncan 22,558 <<<<<< Kobe 29,484 :bowdown:
Come on.....I can do this all week, Duncan isn't in Kobe's league all time.
Kevin McHale at his peak > Duncan......just to name 1. Compare their best season each.

[SevereUpInHere]

4 rings as the man - no all-star or all-nba team mate on any of the championship teams

only player to be on an all-nba and all-defensive team the first 13 years of his career

Spurs have the highest winning percentage of any team in NBA history over a 15 year span and of any professional sport (football, baseball, hockey) since Duncan joined in 97.

And yet OP is trying to disprove him as GOAT PF by showing a block against him.

Manu was an allstar in 05, Parker was an allstar in 07. But let's not let that get in the way of a good story.

[toxicxr6]

I hate people referring ppg when talking about who is better. Don't compare kobes ppg to Duncan's. Kobe is a shot jacker.. Tim is not. Go look at their fga stats.. Duncan's key weapon was his efficiency... On Both ends of the floor. U want to look at stats look at efficiency from 99-05. Duncan was the king by far. Don't talk about chucker Kobe.
Anyone who says Duncan didn't dominate the defensive end is a fool.. Dude is a beast on defence. Refer to the spurs defence in Duncan's prime. Spurs had goat defence.
Let's be real with duncans rank
1-4 is overrated
5-10 is the right range depending on certain preferences
10+ and your undertaking him
It's simple

[rmt]

Manu was an allstar in 05, Parker was an allstar in 07. But let's not let that get in the way of a good story.

My apologies - have edited original post.

It's no all-nba or all-star team mate in 99 and 03 and no all-nba team mate in 05 and 07.

[DKLaker]

I hate people referring ppg when talking about who is better. Don't compare kobes ppg to Duncan's. Kobe is a shot jacker.. Tim is not. Go look at their fga stats.. Duncan's key weapon was his efficiency... On Both ends of the floor. U want to look at stats look at efficiency from 99-05. Duncan was the king by far. Don't talk about chucker Kobe.
Anyone who says Duncan didn't dominate the defensive end is a fool.. Dude is a beast on defence. Refer to the spurs defence in Duncan's prime. Spurs had goat defence.
Let's be real with duncans rank
1-4 is overrated
5-10 is the right range depending on certain preferences
10+ and your undertaking him
It's simple

Still......not a single Duncan Fan has denied that Duncan's best season is the same as McHale's best season....I mean freaking identical......but you guys don't have McHale in your top 25 :oldlol:
Duncan = way overrated!!!

If Kobe is a shot jacker then Duncan is a choker.......those clanker FT's have killed the Spurs.
Duncan is 5 - 10 to those who haven't watched more than 20 years of basketball. For those who have really seen the game for a very long time....in my case over 50 years, Duncan is no big deal.

It's DEFENSE (S) BY THE WAY......not trolling you.

[Punpun]

And when talking about the impact of a player it is important to discuss things outside of statistical aspects. Therefore the numbers do not do him justice, his impact goes far beyond them.

:yaohappy:

You aren't making sense. :yaohappy:

His numbers do him justice. or is more or less leading his team for a 13 years of 50+ wins streak not giving him enough justice ? Having the best W% of the past 10 years or something doesn't make him justice ?

Talking to stans is such a laughable thing. You can't reason with them.

[Carbine]

Still......not a single Duncan Fan has denied that Duncan's best season is the same as McHale's best season....I mean freaking identical......but you guys don't have McHale in your top 25 :oldlol:
Duncan = way overrated!!!

If Kobe is a shot jacker then Duncan is a choker.......those clanker FT's have killed the Spurs.
Duncan is 5 - 10 to those who haven't watched more than 20 years of basketball. For those who have really seen the game for a very long time....in my case over 50 years, Duncan is no big deal.

Tim Duncan:

4 titles as the man - only Russell, Jordan have done this

3 FMVP - only Magic, Michael & Shaq can say this from 1969 to now. You can safely assume Russell would be here as well but they didn't have FMVP back then.

13 combined All-NBA defense, 8 first teams and 5 second teams - MOST IN NBA HISTORY

13 combined All-NBA teams - 5th most in history

2X MVP - tied for 10th best all-time

His teams have had the best winning percentage out of all major USA sports since he entered the league. Note that since 1998, a course of 15 years, Duncan has only had teammates that garnered All-NBA second team or third team five times - Parker twice, Gino twice, Robinson in '98.

Now STFU.

[rmt]

Note that since 1998, a course of 15 years, Duncan has only had teammates that garnered All-NBA second team or third team five times - Parker twice, Gino twice, Robinson in '98.

And none of those selections (98, 08, 09, 11, 12) were in championship years.

[Odinn]

Tim Duncan:

4 titles as the man - only Russell, Jordan have done this

3 FMVP - only Magic, Michael & Shaq can say this from 1969 to now. You can safely assume Russell would be here as well but they didn't have FMVP back then.

13 combined All-NBA defense, 8 first teams and 5 second teams - MOST IN NBA HISTORY

13 combined All-NBA teams - 5th most in history

2X MVP - tied for 10th best all-time

His teams have had the best winning percentage out of all major USA sports since he entered the league. Note that since 1998, a course of 15 years, Duncan has only had teammates that garnered All-NBA second team or third team five times - Parker twice, Gino twice, Robinson in '98.

Now STFU.
Great response to that Kobetard.

But the bolded part is not accurate. 7 times. DRob was All-NBA in 2000 and 2001.

Duncan didn't have an All-NBA or All-Star teammate in 1999 and 2003. Duncan didn't have any All-NBA teammate in title years.
:applause: :applause:

[LakersReign]

Tim Duncan is overrated by nobody.


He is massively underrated by every single Kobe stan on this site though.

The only people who overrate TD, are the same clueless about basketball morons who do it solely for the purposes of underrating Kobe. Which has more to do with their pathetic Kobe hate, than anything else:facepalm

EXHIBIT A: http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=265615 :rolleyes:

[SsKSpurs21]

Kobe career stats

.453 fg% 25.4 ppg 5.3 rebounds 4.7 ast 1.5 steals .5 blks 3.0 turnovers

Clyde Drexler career stats

.472 fg% 20.4ppg 6.1 rebounds 5.6 asts 2.0 steals .7 blks 2.7 turnovers

kobes stats are no better than Clydes stats and he is not top 25 either. :oldlol:

[BlackVVaves]

Kobe career stats

.453 fg% 25.4 ppg 5.3 rebounds 4.7 ast 1.5 steals .5 blks 3.0 turnovers

Clyde Drexler career stats

.472 fg% 20.4ppg 6.1 rebounds 5.6 asts 2.0 steals .7 blks 2.7 turnovers

kobes stats are no better than Clydes stats and he is not top 25 either. :oldlol:

As a rebuttal to the McHale vs Duncan argument, good point.

In both cases, Kobe and Duncan's impact go beyond stats. They are the two best, most dynamic players of their generation and it isn't even close. The defensive impact Duncan boasted and the offensive explosiveness Kobe carried throughout their careers is far and beyond anything McHale or Drexler could dream of reaching.

Duncan is the GOAT PF and Kobe is the second greatest SG of all time, second to only the overall GOAT himself, MJ.

Those are two titles they have earned, in addition to the 9 championship titles they combined for, and trying to belittle either one in order to prompt another player (as it's being suggested in this thread in reference to Lebron) is not only foolish, but a crime no reasonable and true basketball fan or NBA follower would commit.

[rmt]

Don't get the Duncan-McHale stat comparison. McHale played with Larry Bird and was not the focus of the opponent's defense. McHale was not getting double-teamed as TD was. It's similar to Kobe putting up numbers in Shaq's peak years when Shaq was being double-teamed leaving Kobe to do his thing.

[BlackVVaves]

Don't get the Duncan-McHale stat comparison. McHale played with Larry Bird and was not the focus of the opponent's defense. McHale was not getting double-teamed as TD was. It's similar to Kobe putting up numbers in Shaq's peak years when Shaq was being double-teamed leaving Kobe to do his thing.

The thing is, if you're trying to measure the capabilities of a player, this is as bad of an example you can get.

Kobe was a 21, 22 year old during those years, and, more importantly, went on to become 3X the player he was during those peak Shaq years. He put up his most incredible performances when he was the focal point of defenses, sometimes being quadruple teamed, and yet teams still couldn't stop him from obliterating their defensive schemes. Ashame his teammates were so incompetent, and provided little to no offensive (or defensive) support.

I do agree though that comparing Duncan, who was the focal point of defenses by his second year, to McHale, who played his best years as a second option, is rather impractical.

[rmt]

The thing is, if you're trying to measure the capabilities of a player, this is as bad of an example you can get.

Kobe was a 21, 22 year old during those years, and, more importantly, went on to become 3X the player he was during those peak Shaq years. He put up his most incredible performances when he was the focal point of defenses, sometimes being quadruple teamed, and yet teams still couldn't stop him from obliterating their defensive schemes. Ashame his teammates were so incompetent, and provided little to no offensive (or defensive) support.

I do agree though that comparing Duncan, who was the focal point of defenses by his second year, to McHale, who played his best years as a second option, is rather impractical.

I didn't say that those peak Shaq years were representative of Kobe's entire career. But some fans do look at those years and OMG - great stats when Shaq was the one double-teamed.

[Dbrog]

:biggums: Which playoffs?

Because they won 4 championships.

Another idiot.

After Duncan declined, 0 :facepalm

Duncan should have easily gotten FMVP over Parker btw...that was such a sham. They didn't do shit without Duncan as the focal point.

[SsKSpurs21]

As a rebuttal to the McHale vs Duncan argument, good point.

In both cases, Kobe and Duncan's impact go beyond stats. They are the two best, most dynamic players of their generation and it isn't even close. The defensive impact Duncan boasted and the offensive explosiveness Kobe carried throughout their careers is far and beyond anything McHale or Drexler could dream of reaching.

Duncan is the GOAT PF and Kobe is the second greatest SG of all time, second to only the overall GOAT himself, MJ.

Those are two titles they have earned, in addition to the 9 championship titles they combined for, and trying to belittle either one in order to prompt another player (as it's being suggested in this thread in reference to Lebron) is not only foolish, but a crime no reasonable and true basketball fan or NBA follower would commit.

yup, just to be clear, this wasnt a shot at kobe. it was merely stated to prove how dumb the duncan vs mchale argument was, like pointed out. :cheers:

[BlackVVaves]

yup, just to be clear, this wasnt a shot at kobe. it was merely stated to prove how dumb the duncan vs mchale argument was, like pointed out. :cheers:

:rockon:

[gengiskhan]

Today's superstars are all overrated because of the relaxed defensive rules.

Duncan, Kobe, LbJ & Wade all are overrated.

My point is simple.

Put prime peak dominique wilkins & Shawn Kemp against today's defensive rules. You'll see both of them leading their teams to 2 rings & 2 FMVPs.

[Timmy D for MVP]

You aren't making sense. :yaohappy:

His numbers do him justice. or is more or less leading his team for a 13 years of 50+ wins streak not giving him enough justice ? Having the best W% of the past 10 years or something doesn't make him justice ?

Talking to stans is such a laughable thing. You can't reason with them.

You have proven and continue to prove that you lack the basic ability to comprehend and construct reasoned thoughts.

It's simple. He can put up 20/10/3 and when you look at his stats you go: "Wow. Good game."

But if you watched the game you would have come away in complete awe (well maybe not yourself in particular since you aren't very smart). What's the difference? You will have seen how much impact he had. Which the numbers do not quantify. They just don't.

So if he does far more than is possibly quantifiable then the numbers that they do record do not do him justice.

Talking to idiots is such a laughable thing. They don't understand reason. :yaohappy:

[Timmy D for MVP]

Today's superstars are all overrated because of the relaxed defensive rules.

Duncan, Kobe, LbJ & Wade all are overrated.

My point is simple.

Put prime peak dominique wilkins & Shawn Kemp against today's defensive rules. You'll see both of them leading their teams to 2 rings & 2 FMVPs.

Those 4 you listed are all defensively elite as well. So if the rules make scoring easier, it makes defending harder on the flip side.

But you have to compare skill sets, and relation to peers when ranking players across eras.

[DKLaker]

Kobe career stats

.453 fg% 25.4 ppg 5.3 rebounds 4.7 ast 1.5 steals .5 blks 3.0 turnovers

Clyde Drexler career stats

.472 fg% 20.4ppg 6.1 rebounds 5.6 asts 2.0 steals .7 blks 2.7 turnovers

kobes stats are no better than Clydes stats and he is not top 25 either. :oldlol:

Dumb, dumb, dumb.......a 5ppg difference is not the same :banghead: :banghead: , that is just stupidity!!!

[DKLaker]

McHale got double teamed for much more of his career than Duncan.
Duncan spent more time away from the post shooting those bank shots, he was barely double teamed unless he got deep....teams didn't game plan to stop a 20ppg at best scorer, he couldn't light it up enough for that kind of concern......20 points is never going to win you a game without a ton of help...he was usually not the leading scorer on his team as opposed to a Karl Malone...etal. Duncan never worried me....Ginobili scares the hell out of me and even Parker was more dangerous.

[Timmy D for MVP]

McHale got double teamed for much more of his career than Duncan.
Duncan spent more time away from the post shooting those bank shots, he was barely double teamed unless he got deep....teams didn't game plan to stop a 20ppg at best scorer, he couldn't light it up enough for that kind of concern......20 points is never going to win you a game without a ton of help...he was usually not the leading scorer on his team as opposed to a Karl Malone...etal. Duncan never worried me....Ginobili scares the hell out of me and even Parker was more dangerous.

I would put hard, hard money on about 40 coaches who would seriously disagree with you.

Also anyone else really.

[rmt]

McHale got double teamed for much more of his career than Duncan.
Duncan spent more time away from the post shooting those bank shots, he was barely double teamed unless he got deep....teams didn't game plan to stop a 20ppg at best scorer, he couldn't light it up enough for that kind of concern......20 points is never going to win you a game without a ton of help...he was usually not the leading scorer on his team as opposed to a Karl Malone...etal. Duncan never worried me....Ginobili scares the hell out of me and even Parker was more dangerous.


So while teams were supposedly doubling McHale, where pray tell was Larry Bird?

Some people on this board probably started watching basketball in 05-06 and think that only scoring is important. It's no coincidence that the Spurs stopped seriously contending for championships when Duncan declined. Maybe you missed what happened this past playoffs when it's Parker's team and how easy it is to stop his penetration and thereby neutralize him. Memory jog - double team Duncan like that (before his decline) and the opponent paid with the wide open 3s.

[Anaximandro1]

Duncan is the best player of the post-Jordan era.Nothing more,nothing less.



Duncan spent more time away from the post shooting those bank shots, he was barely double teamed unless he got deep....teams didn't game plan to stop a 20ppg at best scorer, he couldn't light it up enough for that kind of concern

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Playoff career (large enough sample size)

Duncan vs Shaq - Games 30 (15 - 15)
(http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=duncati01&p2=onealsh01)

Duncan 25.6 pt (48.5%),3.8 as

Shaq 22.4 pt (52.6%),2.2 as

Duncan vs Dirk- Games 26 (14 - 12 )
(http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=duncati01&p2=nowitdi01)

Duncan 26.0 pt (53.9%),3.6 as

Dirk 24.5 pt (49.8%),2.3 as

Duncan vs Amare - Games 25 (15 -10)
(http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=duncati01&p2=stoudam01)
Duncan 23.8 pt (53.4%),3.0 as

Amare 24.0 pt (51.1%),0.9 as







20 points is never going to win you a game without a ton of help...he was usually not the leading scorer on his team
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


1999 Spurs - Playoffs

Duncan 23.2 pt (51.1%) / Spurs 88.4 (45.1%)

Robinson 15.6 pt

2003 Spurs - Playoffs

Duncan 24.7 pt (52.9%) / Spurs 94.8 (45.1%)

Parker 14.7 pt

2005 Spurs - Playoffs

Duncan 23.6 pt (46.4%) / Spurs 96.9 (45.4%)

Manu 20.8 pt

Parker 17.2 pt

2007 Spurs - Playoffs

Duncan 22.2 pt (52.1%) / Spurs 95.7 (45.9%)

Parker 20.8 pt

Manu 16.7 pt

[Punpun]

blub blub

Like a fish.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Like a fish.

Good job. Good effort.

[miles berg]

Yeah, sure. He was out there battling guys like Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett, etc.... for a decade and he is overrated?

Yeah, sure!

[Punpun]

blub blub

Like a fish.