[VIDEO] - Preliminary footage of a PRIME Elgin Baylor mix

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1CLJlnC7d8

Here's a tiny handfull of clips that will be part of my next project. I've covered Robertson and West already - Baylor will soon be showcased. This guy has got to be one of - if not the - greatest inside finishers of all time. He absorbs contact, and has mid-air body and fingertip control that rivals MJ - yet his frame is a solid 25lbs heavier with fantastic footwork in the post enabling him to bump back defenders like Barkley. One man wrecking crew if there's open floor space. :bowdown:

[stallionaire]

Thanks man. +rep.

[Stuckey]

Thanks man. +rep.

+1

[Linspired]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1CLJlnC7d8

Here's a tiny handfull of clips that will be part of my next project. I've covered Robertson and West already - Baylor will soon be showcased. This guy has got to be one of - if not the - greatest inside finishers of all time. He absorbs contact, and has mid-air body and fingertip control that rivals MJ - yet his frame is a solid 25lbs heavier with fantastic footwork in the post enabling him to bump back defenders like Barkley. One man wrecking crew if there's open floor space. :bowdown:

no he does not rival MJ's body & fingertip control. let's not carried away. and MJ kills him with a superior athleticism.

[Psileas]

When LeBron was starting his career, most comparisons were with Magic (the usual "imaginative" media did their work again - no non-C and non-PF great talent can avoid being compared to Magic or Jordan or Bird), some compared him to Oscar (closer) and some saw comparisons to Elgin Baylor - even closer, IMO. Baylor was the LeBron of his day - too strong for typical forwards, too quick for big men to guard and strong enough to absorb contact and make tough baskets. He could play in multiple positions, rebound, score, explode by bigger men, back down smaller ones. They did have some differences, though: LeBron is a better defender, more willing passer and more efficient scorer, while Baylor was a better rebounder and, career-wise, a better Finals performer, at least when healthy. Both could shoot from outside, though that wasn't their strongest point.

When is the whole video coming out?
Estimations for Russell's one?

[CavaliersFTW]

no he does not rival MJ's body & fingertip control. let's not carried away. and MJ kills him with a superior athleticism.
lol, yes... he does I've never seen a player move like Baylor while in flight - he's got a different body type than MJ but it's as if the mid-air balance and co-ordination part of the brain in the two of those guys is bar none. Baylor twists and turns in the air as good as anyone I've seen. I'm not talking about raw vertical here, MJ has him beat there IMO, what I'm talking about is his ability to do acrobatics while his feet aren't on the ground anymore. And his fingertip control to finish at the hoop is crystal clear in the footage - it's elite. Don't be such a homer, MJ has legendary all-around game but if you put his individual skills under a microscope they aren't all the best ever on an individual basis. Other people can rival him or exceed him at individual elements of the game. Get mad.

[CavaliersFTW]

When LeBron was starting his career, most comparisons were with Magic (the usual "imaginative" media did their work again - no non-C and non-PF great talent can avoid being compared to Magic or Jordan or Bird), some compared him to Oscar (closer) and some saw comparisons to Elgin Baylor - even closer, IMO. Baylor was the LeBron of his day - too strong for typical forwards, too quick for big men to guard and strong enough to absorb contact and make tough baskets. He could play in multiple positions, rebound, score, explode by bigger men, back down smaller ones. They did have some differences, though: LeBron is a better defender, more willing passer and more efficient scorer, while Baylor was a better rebounder and, career-wise, a better Finals performer, at least when healthy. Both could shoot from outside, though that wasn't their strongest point.

When is the whole video coming out?
Estimations for Russell's one?

No estimations, they'll just get done when they're done. Funny how u mention Lebron as being closest too Baylor... I tend to feel like Baylor is very dissimilar to Lebron. His footwork and skill inside the post >>> Lebron's and his mid-air body control >>> Lebron's and on the same token Lebron's defense and size >>>>> Baylor's... Lebron doesn't like to look fancy while Baylor does (or maybe it just comes natural to Baylor... and not Lebron) - I feel like Lebron looks more like Robertson under the eye-test. Quite efficient, and simple. Where as Baylor doesn't really even have an analogue today - he's like a hybrid Julius Erving/Charles Barkley.

[Linspired]

lol, yes... he does I've never seen a player move like Baylor while in flight - he's got a different body type than MJ but it's as if the mid-air balance and co-ordination part of the brain in the two of those guys is bar none. Baylor twists and turns in the air as good as anyone I've seen. I'm not talking about raw vertical here, MJ has him beat there IMO, what I'm talking about is his ability to do acrobatics while his feet aren't on the ground anymore. And his fingertip control to finish at the hoop is crystal clear. Don't be such a homer, MJ has legendary all-around game but if you put his individual skills under a microscope they aren't all the best ever on an individual basis. Other people can rival him or exceed him at individual elements.

i don't like bashing old school players because i consider myself a big fan of old school. but there is nothing really acrobatic about baylor's game from the footages i've seen. and we all talking about body control here. I don't believe anybody can match MJ's body control except few elite athletes we've seen since MJ left.

baylor is clearly a below the rim player, and there is nothing wrong with that. i don't believe having too much vertical helps the game anyway. he is one of those thick dudes with sick core strength and nice bun buns which is rare for 60's player. i would buy 230-235lb playing weight for prime baylor. he does seem heavier than his 225lb listed weight. but that means he had about 15-20lb on prime MJ, not 25lb.

[MiseryCityTexas]

dunking on 7 footers and doing reverse layups in the 60s. wow.

[CavaliersFTW]

i don't like bashing old school players because i consider myself a big fan of old school. but there is nothing really acrobatic about baylor's game from the footages i've seen. and we all talking about body control here. I don't believe anybody can match MJ's body control except few elite athletes we've seen since MJ left.

baylor is clearly a below the rim player, and there is nothing wrong with that. i don't believe having too much vertical helps the game anyway. he is one of those thick dudes with sick core strength and nice bun buns which is rare for 60's player. i would buy 230-235lb playing weight for prime baylor. he does seem heavier than his 225lb listed weight. but that means he had about 15-20lb on prime MJ, not 25lb.
:roll:

[Linspired]

:roll:

are you saying baylor is dr. j or MJ type of athlete? just watch the video you just posted. :facepalm

[Psileas]

No estimations, they'll just get done when they're done. Funny how u mention Lebron as being closest too Baylor... I tend to feel like Baylor is very dissimilar to Lebron. His footwork and skill inside the post >>> Lebron's and his mid-air body control >>> Lebron's and on the same token Lebron's defense and size >>>>> Baylor's... Lebron doesn't like to look fancy while Baylor does (or maybe it just comes natural to Baylor... and not Lebron) - I feel like Lebron looks more like Robertson under the eye-test. Quite efficient, and simple. Where as Baylor doesn't really even have an analogue today - he's like a hybrid Julius Erving/Charles Barkley.


When it comes to basketball body and distance from their similar position peers, Baylor is the one that reminds me of LeBron. Magic is too dissimilar to him to compare their games (more willing passer, less willing to score, better leader, worse defender, better post player), Oscar is admitedly closer, but I'd rather see James getting compared to forwards, despite starting his career as a guard. After all, many of the dissimilarities that you posted apply for LeBron vs Oscar as well: LeBron is much bigger (though more comparable when we take into account their positions), Oscar played the "ground game" more than LeBron (and Baylor), James is the better defender, etc.
I did admit that Baylor and LeBron had dissimilarities and mentioned some of them, including a few that you did, as well. It's a fact, though, that if we delve deep enough, we'll find lots of dissimilarities among other stars that are considered similar...

PS. Another similarity between Baylor/Oscar and LeBron: They were/are better clutch players than what are remembered for. Specifically for Baylor, there were games when he, not West, would make the game winning basket or FT's or have significant scoring runs in crucial points. Example: In the arguably worst Finals series of his career (1969), he still had a game (#2), when he scored the last 12 points of his team in a close victory for the Lakers.

[Linspired]

and i didn't even get into your ridiculous jerry west thread.

[WillC]

Possibly the most underrated player in NBA history.

[Punpun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1CLJlnC7d8


Man, Do MAGIC.

[CavaliersFTW]

are you saying baylor is dr. j or MJ type of athlete? just watch the video you just posted. :facepalm
Erving/Barkley Hybrid. Saying he's a below the rim player is flat out stupid. Based on the footage I have and what I know about Baylor, what you said basically equates to calling Blake Griffin a below the rim player. Young Elgin could (and did) leap, hell even old Elgin after he shattered his knees could still leap - look at his first dunk on Bill Russell in my video - that footage was 1968 several years after he'd split his kneecap into two large pieces and the surgeons removed half of reshaping the other half and reconnecting tendons with 1960's medical technology. Elgins maximum recorded reach is quoted 22" above the rim (clearly, before injuries), and I personally don't doubt it. He's got the explosiveness of guys like Blake Griffin but unlike Griffin you just don't see Baylor jump at 100% power on 100% of his shot attempts - he is holding back either to save his knees or w/e, but you honestly think most of the layups you see him doing in the video are him leaping his highest after seeing him do a freakish jam down Russell's throat like he does @ 46?.... Yah, he's got freakish athleticism on tap.

[Linspired]

Erving/Barkley Hybrid. Saying he's a below the rim player is flat out stupid. Based on the footage I have and what I know about Baylor, what you said basically equates to calling Blake Griffin a below the rim player. Young Elgin could (and did) leap, hell even old Elgin after he shattered his knees could still leap - look at his first dunk on Bill Russell in my video - that footage was 1968 several years after he'd split his kneecap into two large pieces and the surgeons removed half of reshaping the other half and reconnecting tendons with 1960's medical technology. Elgins maximum recorded reach is quoted 22" above the rim (clearly, before injuries), and I personally don't doubt it. He's got the explosiveness of guys like Blake Griffin but unlike Griffin you just don't see Baylor jump at 100% power on 100% of his shot attempts - he is holding back either to save his knees or w/e, but you honestly think most of the layups you see him doing in the video are him leaping his highest after seeing him do a freakish jam down Russell's throat like he does @ 46?.... Yah, he's got freakish athleticism on tap.

so you see blake griffin type of athleticism in that footage you just posted? :wtf:

[PistolPete44]

Wow its actually like watching magic johnson
dude elgin deserved that ring more than charles, stockton, malone ...

[CavaliersFTW]

so you see blake griffin type of athleticism in that footage you just posted? :wtf:
:roll:

I'm working on a mix, that 2 minutes is a tease - lmfao that you think that 2 minutes is what I'm basing my opinion on - I just got done watching several hours of Baylor related games and documentaries and have 12 minutes of highlights like that already pulled. I can assure you that by calling Elgin Baylor a "below the rim" player your retard meter is reading "full". :lol and you even tried to call yourself a vintage NBA fan? :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

after watching both the west and baylor videos. it seems like elgin would have an easier time trying to catch up to todays game.

if you put both guys into one of todays team. west would come off the bench because he wouldnt be able to guard anyone and would need to work on his left

but baylor seems like he could come right in and give some solid shawn marion type energy and scoring ability..

[CavaliersFTW]

after watching both the west and baylor videos. it seems like elgin would have an easier time trying to catch up to todays game.

if you put both guys into one of todays team. west would come off the bench because he wouldnt be able to guard anyone and would need to work on his leftbut baylor seems like he could come right in and give some solid shawn marion type energy and scoring ability..
:roll:

not going to feed the trolls

[BoutPractice]

Jerry West couldn't defend.
Elgin Baylor was a below the rim player.
What's next, Bill Russell was incapable of blocking shots?

[kennethgriffin]

:roll:

not going to feed the trolls

what do you mean?

i'm not trolling its a compliment..

the game has changed allot and grown allot skill wise, off hand, footwork, athletically, strategy wise...


dont tell me you're one of those people who think a 60's player is as good in todays game as they were back then

please don't say that :facepalm


athleticism and shooting would be the only thing that could translate pretty evenly.. which is why baylor would have the easier time catching up than west


but common just use your eyes. how many dominant 1 hand dribbling slow up and down white guys with average footwork do you see dominating todays game as a pg or sg?

seriously man. guys like jerry west with limited off hand and speed would be specialty players at best in todays game

common sense.. use it

baylor clearly shows more transferable skills

I'm NOT trolling when i say this. i dont say it to get a response. dont even reply to this. just read it

[Metroid]

after watching both the west and baylor videos. it seems like elgin would have an easier time trying to catch up to todays game.

if you put both guys into one of todays team. west would come off the bench because he wouldnt be able to guard anyone and would need to work on his left

but baylor seems like he could come right in and give some solid shawn marion type energy and scoring ability..

You're a loser. You know why? Because your whole life revolves around Kobe. Like in your post right now, it's just you using it as an opportunity to diminish past great players because you so desperately want Kobe to have less competition in rankings. The same way you put down even current Lakers, use them as scapegoats to take heat off of Kobe. Seriously, try to do other things in your life. Kobe is just some guy who doesn't even know you.

[BoutPractice]

kennethgriffin > First of all, Jerry West was very athletic.
Secondly, he's one of the great shooters of all time, yet you said that shooting translates well to the current era before using it to argue he wouldn't be as good today.
Thirdly, there's a clear lack of perspective in your argument. The 60s actually belong to the modern era (Jerry West even played in the 70s). Please check when basketball was invented.

[CavaliersFTW]

what do you mean?

i'm not trolling its a compliment..

the game has changed allot and grown allot skill wise, off hand, footwork, athletically, strategy wise...


dont tell me you're one of those people who think a 60's player is as good in todays game as they were back then

please don't say that :facepalm


athleticism and shooting would be the only thing that could translate pretty evenly.. which is why baylor would have the easier time catching up than west


but common just use your eyes. how many dominant 1 hand dribbling slow up and down white guys with average footwork do you see dominating todays game as a pg or sg?

seriously man. guys like jerry west with limited off hand and speed would be specialty players at best in todays game

common sense.. use it

baylor clearly shows more transferable skills

I'm NOT trolling when i say this. i dont say it to get a response. dont even reply to this. just read it
tl;dr

[kennethgriffin]

You're a loser. You know why? Because your whole life revolves around Kobe. Like in your post right now, it's just you using it as an opportunity to diminish past great players because you so desperately want Kobe to have less competition in rankings. The same way you put down even current Lakers, use them as scapegoats to take heat off of Kobe. Seriously, try to do other things in your life. Kobe is just some guy who doesn't even know you.

where in here do i mention kobe?

i'm not diminishing anyone

i rank players based on how they dominate their era... wilt n russell are top 2-3 players all time.. west is near top 10.. baylor #12-13


i just use common sense and know the game and players have grown since the 60s and it would be harder for elgin baylor to average 27/15/4 or west to average 27/7/6


today west would need to work on a few things to be effective in todays nba. thats not bashing what they did in the 60's

they were great in their time.

and when do i put down current lakers?

pau is a top 15-20 player
bynum is top 10, 2nd best center
nash is still a top 5-6 pg

all time pau is around 90-100 with his current resume... fair observation with 2 third team awards and a 18-9 career average

when i say bynum averaged 6ppg and 8ppg for his 2 titles. is that talking sh*t?

no..


IT HAPPEND

:facepalm


get off my nu*ts

[kennethgriffin]

kennethgriffin > First of all, Jerry West was very athletic.
Secondly, he's one of the great shooters of all time, yet you said that shooting translates well to the current era before using it to argue he wouldn't be as good today.
Thirdly, there's a clear lack of perspective in your argument. The 60s actually belong to the modern era (Jerry West even played in the 70s). Please check when basketball was invented.

compared to what?

another 60's player... sure


compared to todays sg's.... no

[CavaliersFTW]

where in here do i mention kobe?

i'm not diminishing anyone

i rank players based on how they dominate their era... wilt n russell are top 2-3 players all time.. west is near top 10.. baylor #12-13


i just use common sense and know the game and players have grown since the 60s and it would be harder for elgin baylor to average 27/15/4 or west to average 27/7/6


today west would need to work on a few things to be effective in todays nba. thats not bashing what they did in the 60's

they were great in their time.

and when do i put down current lakers?

pau is a top 15-20 player
bynum is top 10, 2nd best center
nash is still a top 5-6 pg

all time pau is around 90-100 with his current resume... fair observation with 2 third team awards and a 18-9 career average

when i say bynum averaged 6ppg and 8ppg for his 2 titles. is that talking sh*t?

no..


IT HAPPEND

:facepalm


get off my nu*ts

b-b-b-b-ut West wud b a bench player cuz he cant play D and Baylor wuld give solid "Shawn Marion" minutes :facepalm :roll:

kid, you crack me up

[Linspired]

:roll:

I'm working on a mix, that 2 minutes is a tease - lmfao that you think that 2 minutes is what I'm basing my opinion on - I just got done watching several hours of Baylor related games and documentaries and have 12 minutes of highlights like that already pulled. I can assure you that by calling Elgin Baylor a "below the rim" player your retard meter is reading "full". :lol and you even tried to call yourself a vintage NBA fan? :roll:

dude this isn't the first time i've seen baylor. :facepalm

go ahead post 5 hours of baylor that's not gonna change the fact his game won't be considered above the rim in today's standard. :facepalm

i'm a vintage fan, but i'm not gonna act like baylor would be an elite leaper TODAY. why? because i hate lying to myself. that's why. :facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

b-b-b-b-ut West wud b a bench player cuz he cant play D and Baylor wuld give solid "Shawn Marion" minutes :facepalm :roll:

kid, you crack me up

yes at first... like i said.. they would need time to work on other things to catch up

right away west would have to come off the bench. but given time he could work on his left and bulk up, learn the systems of today. be more of a 2guard than bringing up the ball.

in a few years he could get starter minutes and average 20ppg and be like a reggie miller/ray allen type run around screen guy due to limited break down 1 on 1 moves vs todays advanced defenders


as for baylor.. even with his 60's mind and skills he could step right in and give you 15/7 even at the height of 6-5

but my point before was .... 6-5 elgin baylor was able to grab almost 20 rebounds a game at one point. now anyone with a brain knows that wouldnt happen in todays game. so that right there should be a wake up that eras have changed

given 2 years to catch up and baylor could easly be a 20-25ppg player aswell


he can drive and finish as well as allot of guys today... like i said he has more transferable skills


but my original point is... they would need time. anyone who says you can jump right into 2012 from 1960 and do what you did back then is smoking some serious sh*t

[CavaliersFTW]

Kenneth, do you feel threatened by the talent of Jerry West and Elgin Baylor? :lol :lol :lol :lol

http://youtu.be/wbIMeF6IZ8I

I think that's what the problem is here... You don't want people recognizing how truly skilled and giftedthese two Lakers legends were, because Kobe cloned his game around them. Kobe is hybrid of West and Baylor, he's got some of West's outside moves and some of Baylor's inside moves -- but honestly Baylor is better inside and West is a better shooter. Kobe is basically just a blend of both of them. :lol

http://youtu.be/d8rjREaql2U
http://youtu.be/T1CLJlnC7d8

[BoutPractice]

It's funny how some people seem claim that guys from the 60s and 70s were almost a different species of human. They're your parents and grandparents.

Human beings have inhabited the planet for hundreds of thousands of years. There have been athletic competitions for thousands of years.
Yet somehow everything about our bodies changed in a few decades.

The only thing changing over such a short period of time is stuff like medicine, training, etc. Things anyone could adapt to.

Even if you suscribed to the idea that the worst NBA player today is more athletic than the best player from back then, it still wouldn't allow you to diminish players from earlier eras. Obviously, to compare them fairly with modern players, you would have to imagine they were born in the modern era.

[kennethgriffin]

Kenneth, do you feel threatened by the talent of Jerry West and Elgin Baylor? :lol :lol :lol :lol

http://youtu.be/wbIMeF6IZ8I

I think that's what the problem is here... You don't want people recognizing how truly skilled and giftedthese two Lakers legends were, because Kobe cloned his game around them. Kobe is hybrid of West and Baylor, he's got some of West's outside moves and some of Baylor's inside moves -- but honestly Baylor is better inside and West is a better shooter. Kobe is basically just a blend of both of them. :lol

http://youtu.be/d8rjREaql2U
http://youtu.be/T1CLJlnC7d8


no jerry west and elgin baylor are top 12-15 players all time

i like them.. theyre part of the lakers and i'm a fan of them... i regularly rank west as the 3rd best SG ever

baylor with a few titles would be in my top 5 all time

theyre great..

i could see you using an agenda based backlash towards me if we were talking about someone ranked ahead of kobe. but we're not

common man. how old are you. honestly?

i'l understand if you watched them growing up

[Legends66NBA7]

Kobe's thoughts on Baylor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NY33W1ZEYYQ#t=103s


Everything I heard about Elgin, everything I read about him... he was Dr. J and Michael Jordan, before Dr. J and Michael Jordan. He could get to the basket, he could do all these incredible things in the air, but I wanted to know how he got to the basket. It's cool be able to do all those fancy things, but how did he get there ?

He had great foot work, very explosive first step, very strong though... you forget his size, how big he was and how strong he was. So when he dipped that shoulder and got by players ? It was basically good night, you were at his mercy. That's pretty impressive. Lot of guys can't use their right foot to being their pivot foot and their left foot being used to fake. It's just an uncomfortable move for right handed players. He looked absolutely natural in doing it.

But hey, what does he know that his stans/haters don't ?

[kennethgriffin]

It's funny how some people seem claim that guys from the 60s and 70s were almost a different species of human. They're your parents and grandparents.

Human beings have inhabited the planet for hundreds of thousands of years. There have been athletic competitions for thousands of years.
Yet somehow everything about our bodies changed in a few decades.

The only thing changing over such a short period of time is stuff like medicine, training, etc. Things anyone could adapt to.

Even if you suscribed to the idea that the worst NBA player today is more athletic than the best player from back then, it still wouldn't allow you to diminish players from earlier eras. Obviously, to compare them fairly with modern players, you would have to imagine they were born in the modern era.


no but just like weightlifters, football players, hockey players, equipment, planes, food, televisions, scientists, i.e. everything known to man... has all made advances over a 50 year span


but not basketball!... no not basketball... its the same

:facepalm



6-5 elgin baylor could surely step in and average 30 points /20 rebounds in todays nba


i give in. you win

/thread

[Metroid]

where in here do i mention kobe?

i'm not diminishing anyone

i rank players based on how they dominate their era... wilt n russell are top 2-3 players all time.. west is near top 10.. baylor #12-13


i just use common sense and know the game and players have grown since the 60s and it would be harder for elgin baylor to average 27/15/4 or west to average 27/7/6


today west would need to work on a few things to be effective in todays nba. thats not bashing what they did in the 60's

they were great in their time.

and when do i put down current lakers?

pau is a top 15-20 player
bynum is top 10, 2nd best center
nash is still a top 5-6 pg

all time pau is around 90-100 with his current resume... fair observation with 2 third team awards and a 18-9 career average

when i say bynum averaged 6ppg and 8ppg for his 2 titles. is that talking sh*t?

no..


IT HAPPEND

:facepalm


get off my nu*ts

Only read the first sentence, since I tend to skip your posts.

But yeah, your whole agenda is about Kobe and you could clearly see it on the original post I responded to, even if you did not mention his name.

[BoutPractice]

kennethgriffin > Yes, but it's not the human body that's evolving that fast, it's ways of training them, which any player could adapt to provided they have good work ethic, as well as medicine and performance enhancing drugs (I know it's a taboo topic, but it's one of those things that will seem really obvious in retrospect when X years from now it suddenly becomes a scandal).

[CavaliersFTW]

no but just like weightlifters, football players, hockey players, equipment, planes, food, televisions, scientists, i.e. everything known to man... has all made advances over a 50 year span


but not basketball!... no not basketball... its the same

:facepalm



6-5 elgin baylor could surely step in and average 30 points /20 rebounds in todays nba


i give in. you win

/thread

I'm sorry but who in here was bringing up stats? *crickets* :lol And lol @ calling attention to Baylor's 1960's out of context 6-5 list height.... Who do you think is bigger and taller Kenneth, "6-5" Elgin Baylor or "6-6" Kobe Bryant? Jerry West was first listed 6-2 in the 60's so that makes Kobe a good what, 6-3 if we are to trust those underrated 60s heights and over inflated modern ones?... :lol
http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/96400401.jpg

And Elgin was much bigger than West, he was a big dude. Probably right in between Kobe/Lebron in size.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://youtu.be/4seN0mugh1k

Kenneth got no way to explain sh*t like this cause it doesn't line up with his agenda, cgi maybe? :oldlol:

[Linspired]

I'm sorry but who in here was bringing up stats? *crickets* :lol And lol @ calling attention to Baylor's 1960's out of context 6-5 list height.... Who do you think is bigger and taller Kenneth, "6-5" Elgin Baylor or "6-6" Kobe Bryant? Jerry West was first listed 6-2 in the 60's so that makes Kobe a good what, 6-3 if we are to trust those underrated 60s heights and over inflated modern ones?... :lol
http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/96400401.jpg

Elgin is a big dude.


i'm really baffled by this shot
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Kobe+Bryant+Jerry+West+San+Antonio+Spurs+v+xRdSIKb C8dQl.jpg

this too
http://tinyurl.com/cambod5

but i think west was solid 6ft 4.

[Linspired]

i consider 60's to 70's an evolution period for NBA. but things did stabilize probably after mid 80's. in MMA, the drastic evolution of the game lasted about 10 years. now things are stable.

[Punpun]

Please, post Magic. :bowdown:

[CavaliersFTW]

Please, post Magic. :bowdown:
Okay I might consider Magic because that dude is legit as f*ck but i gotta finish what I started with the big-5 first (Robertson/West/Baylor/Russell/Wilt)

[Punpun]

Magic is freaking legit. THing is, that most highlight vids I've seen on youtube are more or less always the same footage. Which is kind of ridiculous.

Thank you. :bowdown:

[Swaggin916]

Nice left hand he had lol... throwing up shots behind his head before he used that left hand.

[kennethgriffin]

http://youtu.be/4seN0mugh1k

Kenneth got no way to explain sh*t like this cause it doesn't line up with his agenda, cgi maybe? :oldlol:

omg they could dunk? ! ? ! wow! i didnt know that

:facepalm

honestly i try being objective with these 60+ year old fans on this website... but how many 60 year olds have common sense

theyre stubborn dinosaurs

die already

[Miller for 3]

so many 13 year olds trying to troll this thread :facepalm :roll:

awesome video. any chance of a Rick Barry video in the near future?

[CavaliersFTW]

Bump for Baylor

[gyu]

2:02 euro step before euro step

[CavaliersFTW]

2:02 euro step before euro step
Didnt that Boston writer say every driving move to the hoop seen in the game today was invented by Baylor? Maybe theres some truth behind it cause his arsenal of moves and footwork is very diverse in all the footage ive got

[L.Kizzle]

Nice footage, though I think most is from after his knee injury right?
That one clip where he outruns everyone cost to coast for the hoop is bad ass.

CavsFTW, do you have any footage of Jumpin Johnny Green? I heard he could grab the top of the backboad?

[DatAsh]

if you put both guys into one of todays team. west would come off the bench because he wouldnt be able to guard anyone


Despite the fact that he was probably a better defender than your favorite player. I guess that means Kobe Bryant can't guard anyone either right? :confusedshrug:

[CavaliersFTW]

Nice footage, though I think most is from after his knee injury right?
That one clip where he outruns everyone cost to coast for the hoop is bad ass.

CavsFTW, do you have any footage of Jumpin Johnny Green? I heard he could grab the top of the backboard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4seN0mugh1k

Look here in the dunk mix I posted @ 0:15 (the very first dunker, wearing #11). Then @ 0:25 (wearing #16 this time) he catches a lob in the all-star game. Ive got 2 other dunks of his too on film that didnt make it into the vid

[PTB Fan]

Wow..:applause: :applause:

Cannot wait for more.

From the box scores that I have Elgin was a monster in his peak. He was off the charts in that '62 season, especially the Finals. :bowdown:

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4seN0mugh1k

Look here in the dunk mix I posted @ 0:15 (the very first dunker, wearing #11). Then @ 0:25 (wearing #16 this time) he catches a lob in the all-star game. Ive got 2 other dunks of his too on film that didnt make it into the vid
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/08/09/19700307_royals_warriors_play_3.nba/index.html

Also... found this clip of him on NBA.com

[senelcoolidge]

Great videos, it's good to educate some of these ignorant people on this board. What about Rick Barry, Nate Thurmond, Walt Frazier, and you have to finish the Wilt video.

[CavaliersFTW]

Great videos, it's good to educate some of these ignorant people on this board. What about Rick Barry, Nate Thurmond, Walt Frazier, and you have to finish the Wilt video.
At the moment Wilt's content is on the backburner (not permanently though). I realized showing footage of him dominating people who almost nobody on ISH recognizes can only go so far - and I realized it after I showed footage of him as an arthritic old man battling Kareem and all of the sudden his footage became that much more interesting and impressive to the common ISH'er. I think that's simply because people know who Kareem is. So until I've covered more content from Wilt's era (so as too put his dominance into perspective) Wilt has been shelved. It's time too learn about the sixties :rockon:

I think after I'm done with the big 5 (Robertson, West, Baylor, Russell ((Wilt)) I'm going to focus on the NBA bigmen of the 60s (including Nate the Great). I've noticed that even the unheard of "scrub" centers in the 60s have an extremely impressive skillset and offensive repertoire by today's NBA bigman standards.

[ralph_i_el]

his in between game looks crazy. players don't even try that kinda stuff nowadays.

[CavaliersFTW]

his in between game looks crazy. players don't even try that kinda stuff nowadays.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272563

new vid :cheers:

[senelcoolidge]

At the moment Wilt's content is on the backburner (not permanently though). I realized showing footage of him dominating people who almost nobody on ISH recognizes can only go so far - and I realized it after I showed footage of him as an arthritic old man battling Kareem and all of the sudden his footage became that much more interesting and impressive to the common ISH'er. I think that's simply because people know who Kareem is. So until I've covered more content from Wilt's era (so as too put his dominance into perspective) Wilt has been shelved. It's time too learn about the sixties :rockon:

I think after I'm done with the big 5 (Robertson, West, Baylor, Russell ((Wilt)) I'm going to focus on the NBA bigmen of the 60s (including Nate the Great). I've noticed that even the unheard of "scrub" centers in the 60s have an extremely impressive skillset and offensive repertoire by today's NBA bigman standards.

Sounds good. I like your plan to showcase talents of the 60's. It will give people a greater appreciation of what Wilt did. Nate Thurmond would be great. Not sure if there is a lot of footage of him. Since you are keeping it in the 60's maybe do one of Sam Jones, Hal Greer, one of my favorite players Bob Petite, and of course Bill Russell.
I think players staying in school and being more fundamentally sound made them better in those days. Today it's all potential and being super athletic. In those days guys knew how to play basketball. Today's big men are so raw when they come into the league.

[CavaliersFTW]

Sounds good. I like your plan to showcase talents of the 60's. It will give people a greater appreciation of what Wilt did. Nate Thurmond would be great. Not sure if there is a lot of footage of him. Since you are keeping it in the 60's maybe do one of Sam Jones, Hal Greer, one of my favorite players Bob Petite, and of course Bill Russell.
I think players staying in school and being more fundamentally sound made them better in those days. Today it's all potential and being super athletic. In those days guys knew how to play basketball. Today's big men are so raw when they come into the league.
:bowdown:

Sam Jones stands out too me, he's got a pure shooters touch and can create shots and drive. His skillset looks like it'd translate well for a shooting guard in the league today too. Not like a Wade or Kobe, but he still looks like he'd be a potential all-star. I haven't paid too much attention to Hal Greer yet but I know he's another one of the 60s elite guards. Pettit I have only a small amount of footage of because he retired in 1965 and the earliest part of the 60s is kind of a blackhole for footage especially if your not a Celtic or Laker but he's worth highlighting if I can just find a bit more content. We'll see