knicks add some defense: Ronnie Brewer

[htonpg]

Knicks just signed ronnie brewer..How much do you think he will help this team out?

[chazzy]

Good pickup. That was their hole with Shumpert hurt

[htonpg]

will he start ya think?

Felton/kidd
Brewer/JR
Melo/novak
Amare/thomas
Tyson/camby

How do you think the rotation will end up like?

[UtahJazzFan88]

Nice pick-up.

[shaq's--lakers]

Damn Shumpert and Ronnie Brewer Compo could be a scary, when Shumpert comes back

[longhornfan1234]

Wade is scared now.

[wally_world]

Solid pickup. They got a great bench and a bunch of solid roleplayers, i think its up to how Melo/Stat will gel that will determine their success next season.

[BlackVVaves]

Link?

[htonpg]

can ronnie brewer give lebron trouble? like can he guard 3's well? or 2's better?

[Rnbizzle]

He's an awesome defender, I think he was probable our best perimeter defender last year along with Deng. He's a great energy player, moves well without the ball. The only thing is, he can't shoot.

[Rnbizzle]

can ronnie brewer give lebron trouble? like can he guard 3's well? or 2's better?
He can and when Chicago played Miami he usually did get some minutes on him but Deng did most of the work on LBJ.

[DStebb716]

He'll be a good pickup at the two. The only thing left to do is maybe add a big to get some minutes at the four.

Felton/Kidd/Prigioni
Brewer/Smith/Kidd (Shump when he returns starts)
Melo/Novak
Amare/Novak/Thomas
Chandler/Camby/Thomas


There isn't a NEED to add a backup four, but it'd be nice because right now they don't have any real PFs beyond Amare, just a few guys that can play the position in small stretches. I think it'd be in the team's best interest to have Amare play less minutes. Keep him fresh at all times.

[htonpg]

Can knicks contend with heat?

When shump comes back..him and brewer can make it hard for lebron and wade along with tyson help D and now camby...novak shooting, felton will have a good year and you still have melo and amare

[Xiao Yao You]

will he start ya think?

Felton/kidd
Brewer/JR
Melo/novak
Amare/thomas
Tyson/camby

How do you think the rotation will end up like?

Should start. Best wing defender. Best inside player! Could be a great fit with Carmelo and Amare on the perimeter.


Can knicks contend with heat?

No but they should be the hunt for a playoff birth! :bowdown:

[bluechox2]

shumpert/brewer defensive Juggernaut at the 2 j-kid can still play some D

so our backcourt is gonna be tight, just need amare to wake up

basically this offseason, we just added defensive players to surround no-defense melo/amare

[htonpg]

we needed to do that..i dont mind that at all

[bluechox2]

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/AArepsNY/white-kid-dancing.gif

[bagelred]

http://imagr.eu/up/500dddfab427d0_Scal_Knicks_2.jpg

[bagelred]

and you still have melo and amare

$40 million of afterthoughts

[kurple]

good player and pickup

why did the knicks waive Corey Brewer?

[bluechox2]

http://oi50.tinypic.com/20qhrux.jpg

[bluechox2]

good player and pickup

why did the knicks waive Corey Brewer?
No D- antoni

[niko]

good player and pickup

why did the knicks waive Corey Brewer?

We didn't need him and his agent was someone else's agent we have and he asked out or something. I don't know. Why do we do anything?

[htonpg]

corey brewer didnt wanna be on knicks..wanted to be somewhere that he would play more

[dak121]

A defender that brings little offense. He'll be a good fit for Carmelo/Amare.

[bagelred]

good player and pickup

why did the knicks waive Corey Brewer?

That was a year and a half ago.

Brewer wanted guaranteed playing time, and D'Antoni wasn't fond of him....so adios.

[bluechox2]

just to show we aint missing anything from last year

fields : 7.2points/3.0 rebs (20 mill)

brewer:6.9 points/3.5 rebs + D (1.5 Mill i think)

both cant shoot 3's ... sorry raptors...

[bagelred]

just to show we aint missing anything from last year

fields : 7.2points/3.0 rebs (20 mill)

brewer:6.9 points/3.5 rebs + D (1.5 Mill i think)

both cant shoot 3's ... sorry raptors...

This is a pretty simplistic analysis.

Fields is a lot better than NYK give appreciation for. It's just that Fields shot was broken, when your shooting is off, that's the easiest thing to notice.

But it's good to see Knicks picking up a defensive player. They needed a Shump replacement, but he's not quite as Shump as Shump is.

[Horde of Temujin]

Amare is odd man out. Best lineup is with melo at 4.

I always knew signing him was a mistake since day one. Talk about ridiculous contract.

[bagelred]

Amare is odd man out. Best lineup is with melo at 4.

I always knew signing him was a mistake since day one. Talk about ridiculous contract.

If the Knicks don't get Amare, then they don't get Melo. If they don't get Melo, they don't get Chandler....and so on.

So Amare's game has declined, but he singlehandedly changed the perception of the franchise.

[bluechox2]

This is a pretty simplistic analysis.

Fields is a lot better than NYK give appreciation for. It's just that Fields shot was broken, when your shooting is off, that's the easiest thing to notice.

But it's good to see Knicks picking up a defensive player. They needed a Shump replacement, but he's not quite as Shump as Shump is.

getting owned by ray allen and wade is another

dont know what he would have done next season

[It's A VC3!!!]

Pretty good pickup. Atleast the Knicks are upgrading their roster.

[bagelred]

getting owned by ray allen and wade is another

dont know what he would have done next season

Well, I like Landry Fields, but realistically there is no way Knicks could match that contract. So I'm very pleased in getting Brewer. Surprised he took a one year vet deal........

[kurple]

That was a year and a half ago.

Brewer wanted guaranteed playing time, and D'Antoni wasn't fond of him....so adios.
did not know that.. other than it being a year and a half ago

wonder if he's talking to ujiri about leaving denver, cause i cant see him get a lot of PT this year.

but props to him for choosing PT over playing in the big apple

[bluechox2]

kidd = defense
felton= more defense than lin which is an improvement
camby= defense
thomas = defense
brewer = defense

already on roster

tyson= defense
shumpert= defense
JR= defense sometimes when hes feeling it


i think knicks FO knows they need to cover up the deficiencies of melo/amare
though melo has shown improvements on D

[niko]

Brewer gets the minimum, Fields got $7M a year. Fields gave us almost nothing last yaer. I'm thinking Brewer will be just fine. Schump being healthy is the key to everything.

[bluechox2]

Best part = No Bibby next season :party:

[niko]

Best part = No Bibby next season :party:
I don't see why they don't make him a coach. Woodson raves about him with young players, etc. - make him an assistant of some kind. He's 9,000 years old.

[stallionaire]

kidd = defense
felton= more defense than lin which is an improvement
camby= defense
thomas = defense
brewer = defense

already on roster

tyson= defense
shumpert= defense
JR= defense sometimes when hes feeling it


i think knicks FO knows they need to cover up the deficiencies of melo/amare
though melo has shown improvements on D


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Kingwillball]

Knicks and Nets both lookng to put a good product on the court next season. should be some good games when those two meet.

[DaSeba5]

They should have a good defense again this year.

[bagelred]

The money must be really drying up, because I still can't believe Brewer took a 1 year vet minimum deal. Guess he sees opportunity to start.

[Hank]

getting owned by ray allen and wade is another


lol good luck

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272454

[UtahJazzFan88]

I don't see why they don't make him a coach. Woodson raves about him with young players, etc. - make him an assistant of some kind. He's 9,000 years old.

I know everyone says he's 10,000 years old and washed up, which is entirely true for the most part, but yet Bibby is still only 34. Which I mean is an age where there's still a bunch of high level NBA players.

[Knicks101]

Nice, wasn't really thinking about him but I love this signing.

[All Net]

for the min? good pickup

[d.bball.guy]

Good pick up, I'm pretty excited for the NY rivalry next season! :rockon:

[Blue&Orange]

He's an awesome defender, I think he was probable our best perimeter defender last year along with Deng. He's a great energy player, moves well without the ball. The only thing is, he can't shoot.
Knicks SG last year was Fields.

[Clutch]

MOAAAAAAR DEFENSE !!! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[ClutchOver9000]

:pimp: :banana: :rockon:

Very good pickup, fills a need, Brewer's a solid player, great defender (especially off-ball), decent to good offensive game.

Will def boost our team D.

Still gotta see how everyone meshes together, but a finally having a full training camp/offseason under Woody, Knicks should hopefully develop into a defensive juggernaut.

[niko]

Knicks SG last year was Fields.
Fields can shoot. Ball leaves his hand all nice. (It never goes in but lets not be picky.)

[Clutch]

Fields can shoot. Ball leaves his hand all nice. (It never goes in but lets not be picky.)
I was ready to write a 500 word essay on how Fields sucks at shooting. Luckily I saw the white text :lol

[bluechox2]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7a098ZezA1r5m7ta.gif

[Tenchi Ryu]

:pimp: :banana: :rockon:

Very good pickup, fills a need, Brewer's a solid player, great defender (especially off-ball), decent to good offensive game.

Will def boost our team D.

Still gotta see how everyone meshes together, but a finally having a full training camp/offseason under Woody, Knicks should hopefully develop into a defensive juggernaut.
Don't get your hopes up....seriously.

[ClutchOver9000]

Don't get your hopes up....seriously.

:lol ok decent at best

but can you blame me? Just about every time I've seen him play on the Bulls, he looked pretty darn effective in spots, penetration, kick out 3s (even though he's a poor shooter)

Doesn't matter though, we had to deal w/ Fields, so I'm sure Brewer will be ok...

[IGotACoolStory]

Seems like non shooters always end up shooting well in New York. I bet Brewer ends up being a 36% 3pt shooter on 2.5 attempts.

[Tenchi Ryu]

:lol ok decent at best

but can you blame me? Just about every time I've seen him play on the Bulls, he looked pretty darn effective in spots, penetration, kick out 3s (even though he's a poor shooter)

Doesn't matter though, we had to deal w/ Fields, so I'm sure Brewer will be ok...
One thing he's very good at (and probably get all his points from :oldlol: ) is working the baseline. He somehow always finds that spot under the rim for the easy 2. If you can get someone to find him occasionally while he's in lurk mode, then you're set.

[nightprowler10]

Good pickup for NY. He's a hard worker and a great locker room guy. Offensively, his jumper has been improving but it still sucks.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Goodbye Billy Walker.

[no pun intended]

I never thought I would say this in this day and age, but the Knicks are more of a defensive team now.

[Clutch]

I never thought I would say this in this day and age, but the Knicks are more of a defensive team now.
They have been a defensive team since Woodson became the head coach.
Knicks were actually a top5 defensive team last season since D'Antoni left.

[StateOfMind12]

Great defensive player and a great cutter/slasher but his jump shot is awful and it's ugly as hell too. He was one of my favorites in Chicago so I don't like that he is playing for the garbage Knicks but I wish him luck regardless.

[niko]

Great defensive player and a great cutter/slasher but his jump shot is awful and it's ugly as hell too. He was one of my favorites in Chicago so I don't like that he is playing for the garbage Knicks but I wish him luck regardless.
Yes we are garbage because we didn't overpay Lin for three years. :lol Did he father your child or something?

[StateOfMind12]

Yes we are garbage because we didn't overpay Lin for three years. :lol Did he father your child or something?
Nope, I just wanted to see him play in NY and get mentored by Kidd but your team is too garbage and stupid to understand how much better Lin is compared to Felton.

[niko]

Nope, I just wanted to see him play in NY and get mentored by Kidd but your team is too garbage and stupid to understand how much better Lin is compared to Felton.

You've never posted about the Knicks before but you act all butthurt now that Lin is gone. Do you have a favorite team or are you a Lin groupie or something?

Seriously, that's all you post on. We all thought you were a pissed off Knick fan but you are not even that.

The Lin situation, i wish that was the Knick's main problem. It's just losing a player. Every team does. Get over it. ESPECIALLY SINCE ITS NOT EVEN YOUR TEAM.

[bagelred]

You guys are so stupid. This is simply a cost saving move.

Knicks already had a bunch of unused Corey Brewer jerseys in storage.

[LoneyROY7]

I like how the Knicks' roster is shaping up.

A defensive-minded team surrounding Melo and maybe Amare (if he has a resurgence).

[niko]

You guys are so stupid. This is simply a cost saving move.

Knicks already had a bunch of unused Corey Brewer jerseys in storage.
POISON PILL POISON PILL!

[Xiao Yao You]

One thing he's very good at (and probably get all his points from :oldlol: ) is working the baseline. He somehow always finds that spot under the rim for the easy 2. If you can get someone to find him occasionally while he's in lurk mode, then you're set.

His offensive game is a great fit for the perimeter based Knicks. He will get wide open near the rim. Rather anyone other than Kidd will throw him the ball is the only question.

[Trentknicks]

Just imagining a potential lineup once Shump returns of:
Felton/Shump/Brewer/Camby/Chandler. Good luck scoring!

[Knicks101]

You guys are so stupid. This is simply a cost saving move.

Knicks already had a bunch of unused Corey Brewer jerseys in storage.

Now we just need to find another Azubuike.

[AK47DR91]

He'll be a good pickup at the two. The only thing left to do is maybe add a big to get some minutes at the four.

Felton/Kidd/Prigioni
Brewer/Smith/Kidd (Shump when he returns starts)
Melo/Novak
Amare/Novak/Thomas
Chandler/Camby/Thomas


There isn't a NEED to add a backup four, but it'd be nice because right now they don't have any real PFs beyond Amare, just a few guys that can play the position in small stretches. I think it'd be in the team's best interest to have Amare play less minutes. Keep him fresh at all times.
That should be the starting line-up with Smith of the bench as the 6th Man.

[StateOfMind12]

You've never posted about the Knicks before but you act all butthurt now that Lin is gone. Do you have a favorite team or are you a Lin groupie or something?
I'm a Bulls fan and I'm also a fan of Lin. I wanted him to stay in NY so he could be mentored by Kidd and not play on the just as worthless Rockets.


Just imagining a potential lineup once Shump returns of:
Felton/Shump/Brewer/Camby/Chandler. Good luck scoring!
Are you talking to the Knicks or other teams?

[Scoooter]

The paint is going to be real crowded with Brewer out there. Hell, if everyone shoots like they did last year, it will be crowded regardless. Aside from Novak of course.

[longtime lurker]

HmM Knicks have been very unKnick like this offseason. I expected them to match Lin and offer Oj Mayo a 50 million dollar contract.

[Y2Gezee]

Nice move. Kinda helps solidify the knicks mindset as a defensive club. I thought they would look for another shooter at sg. I think they have faith that shumpert will be able to build on his rookie season and be more of a scorer when he gets back. I worry about their floor spacing.

But, Brewer is basically landry with better defense, maybe a little worse shooter. I think Fields will someday find his range when he gets comfortable with new form.

[Trentknicks]

I'm a Bulls fan and I'm also a fan of Lin. I wanted him to stay in NY so he could be mentored by Kidd and not play on the just as worthless Rockets.


Are you talking to the Knicks or other teams?
Other teams, not saying we WILL be the best defensive team but we will definitely be up in contention for it. Knicks still have Melo/Amare/Jr who are potent offensive weapons and to a smaller degree Felton/Kidd/Chandler/Novak who are all capable of scoring 8-11 ppg depending on touches.

[CelticBaller]

If only Melo put some effort on defense :(

[Trentknicks]

If only Melo put some effort on defense :(
Surprisingly man he actually played very capable D under Woodson. He is a solid defender but got tired having to carry the load on offense when STAT and Lin were out. But he does play D under Woodson.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Absolute steal, love it, he was up there w Foye and Delfino as my top choices. He's worth a lot ore than the min too, he's better than Landry and is getting basically 1/19th of the contract. His defense is obviously incredible, but his slashing will be huge too.

[Nash]

Just imagining a potential lineup once Shump returns of:
Felton/Shump/Brewer/Camby/Chandler. Good luck scoring!
Wade
Allen
Battier
Lebron
Bosh

Good luck defending.

[Trentknicks]

Wade
Allen
Battier
Lebron
Bosh

Good luck defending.
Why do you bother jumping into a thread to to bash the Knicks. Pretty sad

[bagelred]

Now we just need to find another Azubuike.

Oh, we'll find one.........we HAVE to.

[bagelred]

I'm a Bulls fan and I'm also a fan of Lin. I wanted him to stay in NY so he could be mentored by Kidd and not play on the just as worthless Rockets.



Well, if you are a Jeremy Lin fan only, you should be thrilled. The entire Rockets team is going to be based around him. Rockets have nothing close to a superstar (Kevin Martin??). A defensive center in Asik. And a bunch of rookies. It's going to be all Lin, all the time. I think there is a real chance Lin averages over 20 PPG.

[GoldenKnight]

will he start ya think?

Felton/kidd
Brewer/JR
Melo/novak
Amare/thomas
Tyson/camby

How do you think the rotation will end up like?

Knicks are looking real good.

[StateOfMind12]

Well, if you are a Jeremy Lin fan only, you should be thrilled. The entire Rockets team is going to be based around him. Rockets have nothing close to a superstar (Kevin Martin??). A defensive center in Asik. And a bunch of rookies. It's going to be all Lin, all the time. I think there is a real chance Lin averages over 20 PPG.
I'm happy for Lin as an individual to shine and put up big numbers but I'm not happy for Lin that he has to play for some scrubby/rock bottom team. I want to see him win more than anything and learn from Jason Kidd.

After I heard JR and Melo talk about Lin, I was actually quite indifferent about whether he would return to NY or Houston.

It's not a big deal to me but I already hate most NY players anyways especially Melo. If I was the Knicks I would have never traded Gallo, Chandler, and all those players for Melo. He is not worth it especially since Melo would have went to NY on his own anyways.

[SevereUpInHere]

Nice move. Kinda helps solidify the knicks mindset as a defensive club. I thought they would look for another shooter at sg. I think they have faith that shumpert will be able to build on his rookie season and be more of a scorer when he gets back. I worry about their floor spacing.

But, Brewer is basically landry with better defense, maybe a little worse shooter. I think Fields will someday find his range when he gets comfortable with new form.


The spacing with our 2nd unit should be great, Novak, JR and Kidd (can he still his the open 3 like 2 seasons ago? Didn't see that much of Dallas last year). But yeah, the 1st unit may need work to get the spacing happening.

Damn, just looked at his ft%... What's up there Bulls fans?

[WockaVodka]

The spacing with our 2nd unit should be great, Novak, JR and Kidd (can he still his the open 3 like 2 seasons ago? Didn't see that much of Dallas last year). But yeah, the 1st unit may need work to get the spacing happening.

Damn, just looked at his ft%... What's up there Bulls fans?
Have you seen this guy's shooting form? I'm not even a Bulls fan but that alone should explain why he is such a poor shooter.

[Trentknicks]

Have you seen this guy's shooting form? I'm not even a Bulls fan but that alone should explain why he is such a poor shooter.
Doesn't matter so much, he will be starting, not getting starter's minutes. Jr Smith will play alot of the minutes at the 2 and Brewer may get some time backing up Melo. He will always be on the floor with an offensive weapon, plus he is Fields but with better defense, so it's only an upgrade anyway.

[G-train]

Bulls don't seem to care too much about letting this guy go.
Just an observation.

[B-Easy8]

Solid signing but what happens when Shumpert comes back? Will Shump take all of his minutes or will Novak back up the 4 and Brewer back up the 3? It's a good problem to have.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Good pick up. Should start over JR IMO.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Bulls don't seem to care too much about letting this guy go.
Just an observation.
Only because it just isn't cost effective to keep him. We got a rookie who do everything he can, plus score. As much as we like Brew, it would be completely illogical to keep paying him 5 mil.

[G-train]

Only because it just isn't cost effective to keep him. We got a rookie who everything he can, plus score. As much as we like Brew, it would be completely illogical to keep paying him 5 mil.

Could they have declined team option and offered him what NY did?

I understand why they did it, and that he is a good defensive role player, but maybe Bulls realised that it's too hard to beat great teams with a SG that has very little offensive game?

[StateOfMind12]

Bulls don't seem to care too much about letting this guy go.
Just an observation.
They're giving him up so Jimmy Butler could replace him and take over his spot which is a good choice because Butler has a potential to be a tremendous role player.

[MJ(Mean John)]

If the Knicks don't get Amare, then they don't get Melo. If they don't get Melo, they don't get Chandler....and so on.

So Amare's game has declined, but he singlehandedly changed the perception of the franchise.

Exactly.
And who knows?
Give him felton again and he might return to his MVP candidate form.

If melo comes in looking like a MVP too,
Tyson gettin his DPOY on
And Felton looking like a stud

Watch out. NY is back on the map and I'm lookin at them upsetting the heat.

One of those "Knicks have their # type of thing"

[Xiao Yao You]

And who knows?
Give him felton again and he might return to his MVP candidate form.

No D'Antoni. Not going to work with Melo Iso ball like it did with pick and roll you to death ball.



If melo comes in looking like a MVP too
,




And Felton looking like a stud

Watch out. NY is back on the map and I'm lookin at them upsetting the heat.

One of those "Knicks have their # type of thing"


:rolleyes:

[The Ownage]

Watch out. NY is back on the map and I'm lookin at them upsetting the heat.

One of those "Knicks have their # type of thing"


Let's not get carried away.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Exactly.
And who knows?
Give him felton again and he might return to his MVP candidate form.

If melo comes in looking like a MVP too,
Tyson gettin his DPOY on
And Felton looking like a stud

Watch out. NY is back on the map and I'm lookin at them upsetting the heat.

One of those "Knicks have their # type of thing"
Those are some massive "ifs".

[LJJ]

I never pass an opportunity to hate on the Knicks, but I can't even hate.

Good, sensible acquisition.

[Nash]

Why do you bother jumping into a thread to to bash the Knicks. Pretty sad
How is that bashing?

[MJ(Mean John)]

No D'Antoni. Not going to work with Melo Iso ball like it did with pick and roll you to death ball.
,



:rolleyes:


Stop being so negative pal. Melo didn't have a pg last year. This year he has felt all year long. Who knows? Let's see what happens. And melo ball was all NY had last year without a pg. give em 1 full year+ training camp with a clear replacement at the pg spot and it might do wonders for a motivated ball club.
Amare needs to bring it, like he did with Felton 2 years ago

[MJ(Mean John)]

Let's not get carried away.

Lol. True, true.

I just see Carmelo in a different lime light than ISH. I also think Amare can turn back into a stud with the addition of a quality pg (Felton has proved to be so)


It's too bad D'Antoni couldn't just become an assistant coach. Would have done wonders for Knicks.

[Xiao Yao You]

Stop being so negative pal. Melo didn't have a pg last year. This year he has felt all year long. Who knows? Let's see what happens. And melo ball was all NY had last year without a pg. give em 1 full year+ training camp with a clear replacement at the pg spot and it might do wonders for a motivated ball club.
Amare needs to bring it, like he did with Felton 2 years ago

If you want to believe a fat ass cancer and two fossils(one a rookie) are going to make Carmelo legitimate have at it.

[MJ(Mean John)]

If you want to believe a fat ass cancer and two fossils(one a rookie) are going to make Carmelo legitimate have at it.
C'mon man.

You're making it out to be like if melo was Vince Carter or marbury of 2012.
We're talking about a top 10 nba player man.

[Xiao Yao You]

C'mon man.

You're making it out to be like if melo was Vince Carter or marbury of 2012.
We're talking about a top 10 nba player man.

Top 10 scorer not player. Never was.

[bagelred]

Solid signing but what happens when Shumpert comes back? Will Shump take all of his minutes or will Novak back up the 4 and Brewer back up the 3? It's a good problem to have.

Shumpert isn't returning so fast. ACL injuries take a long time to recovery. I don't expect Shumpert to be ready until February the earliest.

[lakers_forever]

will he start ya think?

Felton/kidd
Brewer/JR
Melo/novak
Amare/thomas
Tyson/camby

How do you think the rotation will end up like?

Solid lineup. This proves how Melo is one of the most overrated players of all time. Put Kobe, Lebron or Wade (in/or close to their primes) in that team instead of Melo and they are title favourites or at least a lock for the ECF. With Melo, they won't even reach the ECF.

[lakers_forever]

Top 10 scorer not player. Never was.

This.

Good ppg, but not that much impact on his teams. An slightly inferior Alex English.

[niko]

C'mon man.

You're making it out to be like if melo was Vince Carter or marbury of 2012.
We're talking about a top 10 nba player man.
The Knicks lost their asian PG. Therefore Melo sucks. Don't you understand? :lol

I wanted Lin back too fellas but this narrative you are pushing is bullshit,

[Xiao Yao You]

Solid lineup. This proves how Melo is one of the most overrated players of all time. Put Kobe, Lebron or Wade (in/or close to their primes) in that team instead of Melo and they are title favourites or at least a lock for the ECF. With Melo, they won't even reach the ECF.

2nd round and/or home court advantage will be a big success.

[Blue&Orange]

Solid lineup. This proves how Melo is one of the most overrated players of all time. Put Kobe, Lebron or Wade (in/or close to their primes) in that team instead of Melo and they are title favourites or at least a lock for the ECF. With Melo, they won't even reach the ECF.
So Melo is overrated because you can predict the future... :lol


Oh the internets... putting idiots one click away from us. :bowdown:

[lakers_forever]

So Melo is overrated because you can predict the future... :lol


Oh the internets... putting idiots one click away from us. :bowdown:

They are not among title favourites. And considering that Melo playing with Lin, Amare and the defensive player of the year barely made the playoffs (and the team actually started to improved when Melo got injured), Knicks chances to reach the ECF are not small. Again, put a Wade, Kobe or Lebron (you know, real superstars) instead of Melo and they would be among the favourites to win it all.

[Sarcastic]

This.

Good ppg, but not that much impact on his teams. An slightly inferior Alex English.

How does a guy that has gone to the playoffs every year of his career, for a franchise that has not historically made the playoffs very often, not make much of an impact on his team? :confusedshrug:

[lakers_forever]

How does a guy that has gone to the playoffs every year of his career, for a franchise that has not historically made the playoffs very often, not make much of an impact on his team? :confusedshrug:

Nuggets improved in the season when Melo left. And with still has made the playoffs for two straight seasons after the trade.

Melo is still a star player. But he was never a superstar, never one of the really best players in the game.


3. Who's the most overrated small forward in the NBA?


Isaac Ramirez, via Twitter: Carmelo Anthony. He terrible on defense and doesn't play hard all the time. He's not nearly as efficient as Durant, and is much worse on defense, but there are still people who rank him as No. 2 among SFs.

Tim Donahue, Eight Points, Nine Seconds: This is difficult, but it's probably Carmelo Anthony. He's a great scorer, and one of the best late-game options in the league, but too many people reflexively put him top 5-10 in the league, when top 20-25 is more accurate. And, yes, there is that big of a gap between top 5 and top 25.

Patrick Hayes, Piston Powered: I don't want to pile on Carmelo Anthony, a player I generally love to watch work on offense. But the problem is, to this point of his career, 'Melo impacts the game only at one end. That puts him a notch below superstars like James, Wade and Bryant, who all became great defensive players as well as offensive forces.

Brendan Jackson, Celtics Hub: Somewhere between Los Angeles and Houston, Trevor Ariza was made to be a "go-to" small forward. While his contributions on the defensive end are well documented, his offensive numbers are nowhere near good enough to be a third banana on a playoff team.

Kyle Weidie, Truth About It: When George Karl questions your defensive focus, I imagine, despite all the supreme clientele scoring ability (as perhaps the most complete bucket-dropper in the NBA), your DNA for winning basketball is not wired like the Kobes and Jordans of history. Being in N.Y. will only increase Carmelo Anthony's overrated hype.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-110727/small-forwards-ratings

[niko]

Nuggets improved in the season when Melo left. And with still has made the playoffs for two straight seasons after the trade.

Melo is still a star player. But he was never a superstar, never one of the really best players in the game.



http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-110727/small-forwards-ratings
He's better than top 20-25. People are just full of shit right now. Please.

And you bolded a quote from Tim Donahue.You should be suspended from the board for a few days for stupidity.

[lakers_forever]

He's better than top 20-25. People are just full of shit right now. Please.

And you bolded a quote from Tim Donahue.You should be suspended from the board for a few days for stupidity.

He's top 15 IMO, no more that that.

Don't be mad bro. It's my opinion and I'm not taking about your family.

[LJJ]

He's below the definitive elite, along with guys like Deron Williams, Tony Parker, Blake Griffin, Zach. Depending on your personal preference you can rank him over or under guys like that.

[Blue&Orange]

He's top 15 IMO, no more that that.
So why is he overrated again? Most people have him has a top15, fringe top10.